|40 weeks 4 days ago||You are right||
I should say pussies.
Incognito is an ass. Martin along with his legal team are chasing $'s now. Martin has said this stuff to others. He has heard it before. Incognito is still an ass.
My uncle was with the 29th infantry and was in the first wave at Omaha Beach on D-Day. I distinctly remembering one story where one of the non-coms called them (him) a pussy for not advancing. He definately should have gotten a lawyer....
|40 weeks 5 days ago||Just plain ol damn||
Here are the facts:
Incognito regardless of generation is a borish dufus (that ain't illegal kiddies).
NFL lockeroom is different than what we would all call a "professional workplace" where these comments are absolutely off limits and inappropriate (and actionable)
Martin is using this to his benefit where I'm sure as demonstrated by his texts and what I think he has probably been around his entire athletic life.
Incognito badgering a teammate is crass but to be accepted. Incognito doing this to a non-teammate but member of the organization is wrong and should be dealt with.
Really kiddies? we have to worry now about what millionaire 300 pound dudes say to each other? While we are at it there should be a class action lawsuit for anyone white or black insulted by the "N" word, a class action suit on behalf of the LBG community for the amount of times players insult each others sexuality, and another by female reproductive organs who are offended by how much men are called the slang term for this organ.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||What are you reacting too?||
You are confused that a player is not named by some poster to be in the mix? Huh?
Firstly, Jake Ryan hurt his ACL in April and played by October so Jake has 2 months and we don't know the severity (even though all are surgically repaired some are not as bad as others).
Shallman sounds to be an H back candidate or more skilled FB so he wouldn't be a pure replacement IMO. Bunting could play a role but remember Jake had the benefit of spring ball to get a bit more experience. Hill is rumored to have good hands but doesn't have the blocking mojo yet. A.J. Williams is much leaner so at least the blocking guy with a bit more catching threat will be there.
Set back for Jake but only for 14 perhaps. Does not affect him long term. I think we will be surprised by what this develops in other players and how qucikly Jake returns.
This is totally gut reaction but are we statistically different in terms of ACL injury rate in recent years versus other programs? Yikes.
|41 weeks 2 days ago||Here's the rub||
Kids don't have to go to Michigan for the same reasons... all the academic purests should really just grasp that concept. As someone mentioned the degree and other things you did while in college are all that remain after the rest has evaperated as relevant to employers (grades, what level of calculus, etc). There are many kids on the team that probably would not have gotten into Michigan if they weren't athletes - it was their God-given skill that got them in just like many of the academic kiddies got in because of their mental genetic foundation.
I dare say there are not too many pure students who would put in the time the football players do to have their school "payed" for. Someone said 4 hours a day... if their lucky. Take winter conditioning for example right now. Team is meeting for lifting/conditioning 5 days a week and most of these are at 6:00 a.m. Then they go to classes. The committment of these players to meet all of the team requirements is a significant part of each day whether it is a formal requirement or done of their own accord.
|41 weeks 5 days ago||Wow Mr. Foote||
Can't say that I don't get his perspective on all of this. It is certainly a different take when kids with "plan B's" and what that means are a disadvantage... I have never thought of it that way but it sure is interesting.
Still, I think a lot of kids with "plan B's" have done very well in the NFL from the QB's to linebackers. Foote certainly has raised an intriguing point to this though.
Is the getto a "black" thing or an attitude. I think it's an attitude thing which can be developed.
Finally - Foote can't even beat Dusty Rutledge in checkers so does his opinion count ?
|41 weeks 5 days ago||Ohhh, Brian said so||
Brian Cook would meet Jesus Christ and then write how he smelled as is he didn't shower much and was prone to speak in proverbs.....
Brandon has resurected several major businesses and made millions/billions. Brian has a blog. I am willing to bet Brandon has a lot of variables that he weighed in a decision like this and upon viewing all of the facts decided upon the worst possible thing for the University of Michigan and the football program in all of written history.
Brian is no Messiah and he may just be a very naughty boy
|41 weeks 5 days ago||whiney lil b's||
Might make more than 6mm for a home game in proceeds but did any of you bitchy turds think of the cost to put on a home game versus travelling? Profit margin may not be something you are familiar with....
Home openers are also notorious for being cupcake games.
You people are insufferable. The team/players like it. It is good publicity. It's a better opponent than you would typically get for this game. Scheduling is a right pain in the ass as the play-offs start because everyone is going to balance winnable games with strong opponents to help them without overdoing it.
|42 weeks 1 day ago||But wait||
his humor and deep sense of satire represents most of the smarmy posters here
|42 weeks 4 days ago||Let's be really, really, real||
Everyone says this until it is them or someone in their family.....
Accusations can be weapons to destroy people - that's why this stuff has to be dealt with as best as possible in the criminal justice system (as imperfect as it can be). It isn't the place for Universities and their internal boards to decide.
|42 weeks 6 days ago||Wiltfong is to MSU||
As Webb is to Michigan. Wiltfong is pretty connected inside at State and often has inside knowledge of their board and goings-on with targets.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||uhhhh what?||
Gatorade and Nike (and others) pay big bucks to be sole products so it isn't free. The agreement takes into account that they are essentially buying eyeballs at a game or when a player is seen.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||Hockey and Baseball||
Can't pay for themselves let alone the entire athletic department. Even if all of the farm/jr players were in school playing under the NCAA.
This is an issue with Football. It is a huge revenue generator and you can't apply the same logic to other sports, grad students, etc.
|44 weeks 1 day ago||No Biggy||
Because of the relationship with A.B. this was an important coaching change to them. Let him recalibrate and look around, this is completely understandable. What I hope is that his coach is not such an A.B. advocate that he is giving Campbell advice based upon a 56 year old man's career. He has to make decisions for what he believes is good for him and his family - not his coache's loyalties (I don't know if this is the case, just an aspect to consider).
Let him look around, my expectation is that things are significantly more exciting this fall and he will be curious to dig deeper with Nuss.
|44 weeks 3 days ago||Messner and Shallman||
Even though it says Novi, Michigan (where Detroit Catholic Central is) Shallman is a Hartland kid as well. Interesting to see Seychel's video. Looks like he is using Howell's field which is a close competitor in their league. Also think there is a wrestler going to Michigan from Hartland although I can't remember his name. He was in a lighter weight class and dad was a big time wrestler at the school.
|44 weeks 4 days ago||Bullough||
Watched him specifically on the first 3 defensive series. Honestly looks way too heavy and is not moving well at all. Word was he weighed in earlier in the week at 260... In the series before the interception where Gallon made the tackle - he (Bullough) was literally driven 10-12 yards backwards by the East's tackle. Not good so far. Don't know how he practiced this week but to be given the start maybe he did well during the week
|44 weeks 5 days ago||Likey||
He is very much in the mold of Tenpenny or more currently Yeldon. He has an acceleration that is significantly more than HS film of current M running backs (not their's is bad or they are bad - I like Green and Smith).
He could easilly fill out to 215 ish which is great. When you think about more inside zone you would like this type of runner definately.
|45 weeks 5 days ago||Sound -||
Glad others experienced it - I just had a bit of a swear - fest
|45 weeks 6 days ago||Responsible for Michigan||
For Syracuse. Was here constantly. Would have to go look up all that had offers to Syracuse during his time there but he was here. Worked the Sound Mind/Body camp as well. I know a number of Cass Tech kids over the last few seasons, I think Shallman had an offer if I remember (as a RB too), several BBR kids, etc. He definately has the network here.
Rumors are he wants to get back to a college gig and especially here. Took Bills job along with his head coach.
|45 weeks 6 days ago||Jackson's||
Recruiting strength is good but there would be absolutey no drop off if for instance Tyrone Wheatley took over. He has recruited Detroit extensively and is actually one of the stars Jackson promotes that he has coached.
Jackson did not want Ingrahm. Cut loose Cox. Could you assign Grady's demise to him on the field? Not sure.
Hoke ends up being the capstone to the recruiting of these players even though the recruiter and/or position coach are integral. They say yes to Michigan in large part after meeting with Brady.
|45 weeks 6 days ago||Borges is a good guy||
But it just ended up his style doesn't quite fit this team at this point. Kinda like RR not really fitting the culture (or vice versa) but it works for him in Arizona.
Good man, good family man. Best of luck.
|45 weeks 6 days ago||What you will see||
Morris (or whoever is deemed #2) getting significant quality game experience. Nuss is not going to head into 2015 with a guy who hasn't played enough. He will have one eye on 2015 QB situation throughout the whole 2014 campaign.
It's Gardner's unless he regresses, but either way you will see the understudy getting much more time.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Whaaaaaat?||
"ability to get talent" ? 1. you don't land everyone, no one does. 2. as a reference MSU wanted most if not all of our players (narrative this year is that they are infallable at judging talent, not chasing stars). 3. Well, I won't say it. Trying to be a little softer this year.
|47 weeks 6 days ago||Wait - Maybe Borges Knew||
For all of the bitchers of the last play in particular "why didn't Borges give him a run/pass option?" yada, yada, yada
Maybe, just maybe the staff knew he was hobbled and made the call. But of course, nobody who bitched about it will fess up.
Shane is very capable of doing well. Might be a little nervous at first and I'm sure the staff knows that and will take it into consideration. Also, don't be suprised if Shane runs a bit... he is not slow and can take off when necessary.
|50 weeks 2 days ago||For the love of God||
For what seems to be 70% of the posters here - try thinking for yourself and not just running with the sorry ass narrative of "we suck, and will suck, I love being a DB pessimist".
(If) you actually look at this season and take into account what exactly went wrong and contributing factors (hint - not everything was Al's play calling, Brady's no-headphones, or other common themes) you would see that we have a pretty explosive offense albeit young and still very erratic but getting better. We also have a pretty good defense for the most part that also is capable of very good performances.
If you are a true fan and not just a "yeah what the mods think" guy - then you would look at this game and be optimistic. Gardner will be more consistant. O-line will have time over the next few weeks to really fine-tune and put in a good performance, defense is not facing the OSU combo and will play an above season average statistically. Michigan should win this game by 10.
BTW - hearing that players are happy with the BWW connnections because they do like their food . Sorry that all of the highly developed pallets on the board feel this establishiment and the Bowl are beneath them.
|51 weeks 2 hours ago||Again -||
Let's highlight that some plays are because the other team makes mistakes ergo - the offense (collective) reeeeaaaaaallllllleeeeeee didn't show much improvement.
Yeah - there has never been a game before in the history of football where one team didn't always align perfectly (IN F'ING HINDSIGHT). In fact it is such an anomaly that we should call it out.
Brian would bitch about Jesus Christ himself "all these hand jestures", "defiant in his arrogance to keep dressing down".
The game Saturday was a good game, called well, played well with the usual smattering of mistakes. It is a sample size of one right now separating itself from the prior two games but given the team it hopefully is a predictor of how this team can perform when all are in sync.
For those who have played/coached will easilly understand that the game can't be viewed through finite engineering retrospective analysis. At least not fully. Too many moving parts (brains, physics, player roles, sun, turf, play, alignment etc.). There is not ever a perfect game so looking at the shit/doubt side of this game really is just trying to maintain a narrative.
|51 weeks 2 hours ago||Damn you football knowledge||
This will not sit well with Brian's negative narrative. "there has just gotta be a huge problem lurking in this data somewhere. Let's go find it !"
|51 weeks 1 day ago||I could see Mallory being eager||
He is that type of coach (this is a compliment). On paper, Martin has a pretty good CV to present to M O. He was pretty aggressive and successful at GVSU and now has the recruiting, db, and OC roles at ND to present. It fits.
So - we get to go against ND then ND's spinoff NuCo the next week in 2014. Martin will take a lot of risks. He was very well known for not punting (should please some here) alot at GVSU and making a go of it. He did have a pretty good QB though to and I don't think he'll have the analog at M O for a while.
|51 weeks 1 day ago||What the F ?||
Hey ! Let's get started being a downer and douche bag for next seasons projections too ! Hurray !
Really - your projections are based on your and the board's pitiful mob mentality this season. Get over it. You saw what the team can do Saturday. Shit happens during seasons. Borges is going to be OC'ing for his career and should be pretty close to what we saw Saturday.
Your analysis of teams is sophomoric.
Worst case is at most 2 losses. Realistic based on this team's roster and the opponents is 1 loss.
Braxton Miller sans Carlos Hyde is a loss next season if that's the case. They guys on OSU behind Hyde are not in his category. No Hyde Saturday and we would have won by 2 touchdowns.
|51 weeks 3 days ago||Electric and...||
anyone who sold their tickets to OSU fans are complete DB's. Nothing more to be said. Also, the horses asses that lament about this team constantly are in the same category. You have to be present for the this game more than any other. If you can support the team even in challenging seasons then you are really the worst part of this entire experience.
|1 year 3 hours ago||Yeah - you are right||
That comment about the "team" isn't about the players. In fact your whole family are a bunch of whores and drug abusers, BUT, I only mean that about "the" family, not the members of "the" family.
Hey, let's even disregard the fact that I also say nice things about your family members too. Now the fact that "the" family are whores and druggies really is said with a smarty-pants engineering degree sarcasm and all your really smart in agreement friends know that.
Poor Brian doesn't like when prices are raised. Boo fucking hoo. I hate it when prices are raised too and I can make a choice.... but lets get back to talking about your family - the family, not the members you know....
|1 year 3 hours ago||So Brian||
You are railing against the modern age of sports marketing and "big business". Got it.
I'm sure on a relative scale you charge your advertisers right? Do you decrease your rates when less people look at the blog for a while?
Calling the team (or as will be corrected "shuffling like") syphilitic pigs is really the the best here. Guaran - fucking - damn - tee you do not have the balls to say that to a player do you? Piece of shit comment about the team and the kids.
|1 year 5 hours ago||Connection with Pipkins?||
Any thoughts if this is prompted as some stated because of losing Hand or is this maybe connected with Pipkins?
Looks like Henry is a rising talent so if this kid can develop and be something akin to Mike Martin starting next fall (not playing but in line for that position) then has there been a determination about Pipkins?
|1 year 6 days ago||Is this not a valid subject?||
First off it has nothing to do with my liking or disliking him so think what you want. I see on this board discussion on whether players have the potential to excel at a position or not so I think this is a fair issue if you are willing to look at it objectively and have perhaps some football background.
It's a chicken-egg arguement. Is DG struggling because he burdoned with Borges or is Borges struggling because DG is not able to execute components of the QB position. This does not mean that DG can't do it next year and my early vote would be yes he will make the leap.
But if you really...... understand football you would have to allow for the argument that DG despite his incredible efforts to save games has been a lead/key role in getting the offense into tight spots. Now the reason for that is up for discussion and conjecture.
Are all the troubles he has soldiered through a direct result of a young line, bad play calling, poor blocking TE's etc? Maybe but a valid discussion could be is the QB's "performance" causing downstream effects for the offense.
When I have coached I knew that if we felt we could unnerve a QB or he had tendancies to bail (for whatever reason) we specifically addressed that in our defensive game plan.
Unfortunately now we are in a loop where DG can't really develop because of what state the offense is in and therefore teams are aggressively pressuring him in the areas where they believe he can make an error or be conflicted (not throwing quickly enough for example)
To answer an above question I do think a pocket passer with a low turnover rating and accurate arm could very well have gotten this team to a 1 loss season. I am not saying that is Shane yet either since he needs game experience. I also say that DG's early struggles have enabled "some" not all of the problems the offensive system now faces. Yes his athleticism and fight has absolutely saved the game multiple times now - I am pretty confident the offense will get to a point next season where DG doesn't have to rely on the rib-risking heroics with but a few exceptions.
|1 year 6 days ago||Overlooking||
an area that I am wondering why isn't attempted to address in this:
Is DG able to play QB at this level? He may, and he may very well may not, but it's interesting you don't ascribe a slice to him.
|1 year 1 week ago||Hoke is the one||
I am confused how he can't lead and help orchestrate that unit without a fucking headset...
|1 year 1 week ago||agree and don't||
with some of your positions.
Not sure that I would draw the conclusion that Fitz is "very, very" good. Not horrible, but not in that category. Also I ask this in all objectivity - there is a narrative around Gardner that should be scrutinized (refering to your point about how good he is).
Where would this offense be without all of his mental errors this season (fumbles and picks and probably half of the sacks are attributable to him and not others). Early in the season those mistakes put the team on its heals and very much affected momentum.
This one I struggle with, yes DG has absolutely dragged us out almost single handedly of big holes with his (at that point in the game) athleticism and competitiveness .... yet.... he was the one more times than not that was to be looked at as the primary contributor to those situations (we were running the ball well Saturday but stalled when we had to get production out of a QB making QB decisions correctly). Do you laud someone who leads you to the backside of a cliff and then later pulls you back to safety? I really am not sure on this one.
I believe very much that next season 80% + of these issues are gone because of his experience of this year. I would say that if you see any sign of mental mistakes in game one next year (or any point early in the season) we may have an answer definitively about his ability to play at the level the team needs.
|1 year 1 week ago||Your Experience||
in what. ? You think coaches don't take how difficult a particular play or action is? Do you think for a minute that part of what we are seeing is the coaches really simplifying many things to find a point where the offense gels and is effective. You'd be having a shit fit if they were making it harder.
There are also expectations for players on a graduated scale. Certainly would have to hold Fitz accountable for troubles he's had in pass pro - he's been there 4 years and has been taught technique I'm sure.
I have also seen Mattison exactly say what you are proposing the coaches don't do (it's your responsibility...) with regards to Stribling. He's talked about how he has been right there and it just has to start breaking his way and expressed confidence that it will. He didn't fling Strib under the bus and say he just has to execute.
Whatever spooked all of you about Space Coyote sure has revealed kind an interesting side to your positions and assumed status.
|1 year 1 week ago||Unifying theory of db's||
"the part of the brain that has the ability to release the enzymes with which to formulate excuses is often destroyed in the process of playing or coaching football. "
So... if you haven't played/coached you somehow don't have the ability to address what is happening with any accuracy? Is that what you are saying? I am smart enough to know (how) to fly an f-18 and I can probably write about it to a depth of where most of my facts are absolutely correct. Bet I can't land it on the damn carrier though
|1 year 1 week ago||above to comments||
absolutely prove you have NO idea about what successful S&C is. First off, I think from all accounts Wellmen is on his way and doing a very good job. With that being said statements like... "D line is in best shape in years" (by what metric, how do you know the state of S&C of the other units in prior years). Seems to me Mike Martin may be an example to skew your statement (Van Bergen, Roh as well). Secondly, pictures of guys getting bigger over winter conditioning only proves that they lifted and got bigger..... you can lift like a jersey fool and get bigger. You can not judge strength, increase in base metrics by a picture. Again, I am guessing they improved but you can not make that determination by a picture. Finally, age has something to do with guys getting bigger, stronger, faster. Look at Lewan in his freshman year to judge how much size he's added.
|1 year 1 week ago||First impression is||
That you were taking a stance against said poster. Don't dig in your heels all Borges like now.
|1 year 1 week ago||Wow Blue||
Pretty succinct and straightforward rebuttal. How dare he really dig into some aspects of this and shed some light. Love the statistic of "most" people (here) are critical of him. That has to be a reason his argument is moot.
I think SC can take care of his own defense of this but I would say that breaking down the play(s) to this degree and understanding where the flaws are are precisely how you begin to follow path to a correction. I know we don't have one yet and I am frustrated but this is I'm sure what the coaches are looking at with much more critical eye. In the end it may be that someone has to be replaced but your comparison of running amounts and results is vacuous. It's that kind of general critique without any depth of description that is a big part of the mob mentality here.
|1 year 1 week ago||Ferrigno/Jackson||
Ferrigno has the TE's and U/H guys (Paskorz, Williams, Butt, Hill, and word is some Shallman who is working with this and the RB group per some posts). Jackson is all RB/FB I believe.
|1 year 1 week ago||A rhetorical question||
Regarding the RB's - Fitz is a senior. Is it fair to assume he should be making little to no mistakes? Kerridge is a walk-on therefore had the grades/smarts to get accepted on his own.
To SC point about "getting through to them". Is the denominator on this part of this play Jackson?
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Joe missed it||
Also Gardner did not trip trying to read a crashing corner - tripped because Kerridge's guy caused Fitz to stall otherwise DG would have been in the clear (footwise). Kerridge just needs to occupy the guy in some shape or form for it to theoretically work. The O-line and Bosch especially did their job.
Usually have seen this where the lead (in this case Kerridge) is suppose to track "inside to out". The idea being that he can interrupt what happened or the DB has to make a decision (and therefore slowdown and play the ball) which will enable the read option to work.
Don't think Kerridge anticipated that the guy was coming inside like that and that is why the lateral release.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Jackson / replacement||
I agree with SC that it is this year or next at latest with FJ. Jeromy graduates this spring and maybe some of this situation is being used to scrutinize Jackson. Hoke even made a comment about RB development...
Absolutely NO to Mike Hart unless Tyrone Wheatley turns it down. Wheatley has been a successful coach and recruiter (of the Detroit area too which was always what everyone said was/is FJ's strengths). Wheatley is at Buffalo getting some even better experience after moving from the Syracuse gig. Hart may be very good but you are getting the better of the two with Wheatley. TW would literaly be a plug-in-play in every high school in the region.
Space Coyote - very impressed with the work you have assembled elsewhere. Kudos.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||speaking of paying attention||
he didn't play after a kick return early in the 1st quarter - but you are close and smarmy enough....
|1 year 3 weeks ago||It's not 1% - more like 40%||
1% may be the vocal asses at games - the rest post.... I would add basically add every poster here who 3 weeks ago went after Borges in the same way the article describes the fans.
Another point - because you are a fan of a school or went to the school is irrelevant. Someone who went to Saginaw Valley is less a fan than someone who went to Michigan? That's a bit of the problem here....
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Dear Salvatore||
you sir are an ass....
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Here's the grind||
Give Al credit when credit is due (in moderation). Give Al criticism when criticism is due (in moderation). Last week was not in moderation and was basically MGoMob. The guy is dealing with a QB that has wave amplitudes much greater than Dennard did and I am betting is calling plays to try and hedge/accomodate what he sees constantly at practice or anticipating what the issue of the game may be.
Is every poster here now starting a career as a guest analyst for some other posters' new blog?
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Wait - I thought Borges was turrible||
Seems like, maybe perhaps, there is more going on with this offense than the bashing last week.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||Up Tempo vs. No Huddle||
These two get mixed together often but you have to separate. While no-huddle can be up-tempo it isn't always...
I have no idea how to do this but I am guessing by using my God given "I think I remember" powers that it seemed many of Indiana's big plays were pure up-temp affairs. There were times where they got to the line and then checked out of plays and I could see that the defense was able to at least stop moving and communicate amongst each other. I would be curious to see if these plays were on-par as successful as the up-temp ones.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||Actually you're kinda right/wrong||
ACL's are avascular especially as compared to a tendon. Now some ligaments are "very" vascular (as compared to other ligaments). MCL and LCL are quite vascular and unless you tear it from the bone it will regenerate. Pretty sure we have had a couple of MCL "tears" this year through the grapevine and I know those players are back 100%.
Someone mentioned S&C doesn't affect this - well we are an a pretty accelerated injury rate on this injury so we shouldn't overlook any variable. Obviously you could have the best program and a kid could tear his ACL falling down the stairs, but it would be interesting to learn our S&C prehab and leg regimen. Leg strength can help - especially hamstrings in preventing or minimizing ACL injuries due to hyperextension - they act as a break.
This is disheartening but if we go by the Jake Ryan model he will be practicing in spring albeit lightly and good for next year.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||yep||
I said coach "a" team and then gave examples. Did not say coach "the" team. See how your collective hindsight does at coach real humans in real time.
"the team" does feed you all. No Michigan football - no smarty pants blog sites (for this program at least)
I don't think you know why the performance of the RB game was what it was - I mean you should after looking at countless replays and affixing correlation to every causation. This is what I mean by actually coaching some humans. We kind of weird in that we are all over the place and make mistakes (even if taught the right way). Humans are fallable ya know.
"Math" with humans is the source of much of the arrogance I see. If I have a bunch of stats that say a certain thing should be done by God I'm going to criticize a coach that has a bunch of stats (that you aren't aware of) that say what he's doing in his opinion has a good chance of succeeding.
I'm also talking about tone - not specifically the fact that you disagree. I know, you gotta drive eyeballs so the hot thing this week is think of every snarky headline and cut at the team.
I feel bad about the game and there is something amiss currently keeping them from what our expectations for performance are, BUT being a snarky smart ass or asking about bubble screens to a coach that has for the most part been pretty good is what I am alluding to (among other things)
How about this - when the team turns around and gets back on track (I am assuming success for fandom's sake) then I hope all of you go out of your way to give the same amount of praise to Hoke, Borges, Funk as well.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||An idea for the "gang"||
And by "gang" I mean Brian et al. Get together and find a youth, jv, maybe even a varsity highschool team to coach.
Incorporate all of your doubting, negative, regression analysis, smart ass bubble screen running jokes, second guessing, ufr's, picture pages etc and see how you do.
If not continue with your collective scab picking on the team that in essance feeds you.
I have no problem with analysis - something has shifted here and you are all trying to one up each other.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||Rest my case||
Are the complaints or decisions that you cite the exact and only way we could have succeeded? How do you explain Gardner's turnovers? How is throwing to Anthony Zettle Borges' fault?
Again, because something wasn't successful for a myriad of reasons or for one reason - it doesn't mean that the alternative was the only way a team could have succeeded in that instance.
Tell me specifically how Gardner's interceptions are because of Borges' incompetance? Gardner has all of the physical tools but is still struggling. Also criticizing players is a pure dick move (your comment about Bellomy). Typical turdy little fair weather fan.
Gardner is absolutely the guy keeping the offense moving AFTER WE TURN OVER THE BALL AND HAVE TO FIGHT BACK.
Devin's turnovers are more on decisions and less on pass protection pressure - absolute fact. As soon as Devin can get control of this (and I hope he does - he's a great kid) we have a lot less to worry about. When a team doesn't respect a passing game they are going to send everyone on running downs which is what is happening. They know Gardner can burn them but they are also playing the odds.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||in hindsight everyone is||
a f-ing football genious. None of the decisions that Borges made if they had worked would have been wrong. You can say that the opposite choice given the outcome of the game was the correct one but to the idiot eat-your-own fans/posters here that never enters into your collective considerations.
With a kicker that has been as sure for two seasons up to this point - playing to get the kick and nothing more in the OT's was sound thinking. Is it Borges' fault that on the blocked kick Bolden let the guy who blocked the kick run right between him and the EMOL ? Is it Borges' fault that Gibbons ended up missing which is totally uncharacteristic of him?
Is it Borges' fault that Gardner's interceptions are actually the entire reason this team has squeaked by or now not squeaked by? His choice is Shane or Cleary. Not his fault that Bellomy was hurt. I'm guessing they have pulled out all of the stops to try and set up a game that Gardner can limit mistakes - just guessing.
Only thing in this game that confuses me is how the clock management got missed - I would say that is Borges and it certainly hasn't been a trend. Shit happens.
Correct or somehow rectify Gardner's turnovers and we are a team that has good buffer wins, is undefeated but with a very inconsistent O line that has to be addressed.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||Blogging as a career||
|1 year 6 weeks ago||It angers me||
when turds continue to pile on RR. It's in the past - he's where he can flourish and we have a good thing going too.
BTW - The whole RR recruit thing is kind of a false narrative. Yes - some recruits didn't work out , given but think about the following RR recruits on the team: Lewan, Schofield, Gallon, Dileo, Countess, Beyer, Jake Ryan, Jackson, and I'm sure I'm missing a few. He's a good coach and did what he could do and left us with a bit more than he seems to get credit for. Hope he beats up USC tonight.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||Detroit Catholic League Central QB Staff : )||
"If" this was ever to come to fruition UofM would have Cleary (UofD), Morris (DLS), Moores (CC), and then Malzone (BBR). BTW - Shane's understudy at DLS this year is damn good too.
P.S. Gardner was technically in this league for a bit as well
|1 year 7 weeks ago||one play analysis||
noth withstanding - there was a marked improvement in the line in total. Will be a trend if it stands over the season which I believe it will.
Regarding the Kerridge "whiff". You don't know what you are talking about. He hit his man and if you look his head was to the inside therefore Green should have technically cut inside of that block. Technically Green cut the wrong way off of Joe's block but both paths were good enough at the goal line. Every block doesn't have to be a pancake to be effective.
|1 year 7 weeks ago||One word - Allen Robinson||
Without selling out and leaving another area/player open for O'Brien to exploit .... we will be successful if Hackenburg to Robinson is contained (may not be stopped, but success will be in holding this pair to below average performance). Fortunately Hackenburg is not mobile so that gives us a breather in that department.
PSU is showing some of the weaknesses expected by the gutting from the NCAA unfortunately. Great coach and team but they are getting a little thin in depth.
BTW - Robinson is a high school teamate of Ross (Orchard Lake St. Mary).
|1 year 7 weeks ago||Tommy Vanhefalen||
The little bitty Michigan helmet - When Tom is big time and uber famous I think he'll get a chuckle out of the props budget for this segment.
|1 year 7 weeks ago||Actually||
This is Weisman's 1st full season starting. He was not even on the depth chart at the beginning of the year for Iowa. I think he may even be a walk-on. Dude certainly took advantage of the break when he got it. Good for him.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||If you're going to snitch tie-bars||
you should get the ones from Ikea. much better quality and the blonde oak is good with any closet decor
|1 year 8 weeks ago||that expains it||
because you were being sarcastic - that excludes you from being a Dick
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Dick||
Typical snarky M fan
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Really ?||
A better experience would be to be at a live game and bring your phone/ipad/whatever and abdicate the sole reason for being there in the first place - to have post-game second-guessers tell you what you are seeing? Really? Jumping Jesus, go to the game and watch and experience with those around you sans two dozen 160 lb non-ex athletes telling you what you should be sayning thinking.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||You sir are an ass||
The individuals who were involved are all gone. The players and new staff have been punished for a horrible thing that happened outside of the football program (meaning nothing to do with players, gaining competitive advantage, etc). They are doing everything right now at PSU and should have some of the penalties lessoned. By the way - NCAA had no reason to impart its own penalties - this was a criminal case.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Borges - Gardner||
I guess it should be emphasized that Gardner also is truly not Borges' QB (I mean that in the sense he did not recruit him). Would Al have recruited DG out of Inkster? All of the narrative about "Borges finally has his QB in Gardner" is not exactly true. Devin is talented AND suffering currently from the mental side of the position's pressures. Borges I would contend is truly responsible for the QB's he chose (not inherited) and developed based upon his criterion for success. So give him some space with Gardner as he works through this. I'm not sure Garder has demonstrated his issues on the field in practices so it's a matter of working through them since he is still the best QB available. My sincere hope is that Devin calms down and gets in his groove and becomes very consistent through Borges' teaching. I also hope we have a very much improved Gardner next year. Look at the huge turnaround Mettinburger (sp) for LSU had from last year to this year...
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Bo Pellini was right about fans||
and the second-guessers infesting this board. Shit happens to teams. Every season is not full of dreamscape wins. Losing does actually happen. Nobody is more aware of what to do than the coaching staff and certainly not anyone on this board.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Entimologists needed||
Keeping with the wildlife them: for anyone who was at the ND game last week. What in the hell were those big insects flying around? Big, slow and looked like praying mantis' kinda from a distance but they never landed? Definately not moths. I thought they could have been spirits of frustrated ND players leaving this spiritual plane and moving on...
|1 year 10 weeks ago||different perspective||
assuming all on the trip said go ahead and post your diary. Purely opinion but I think that this kind of stuff shouldn't be shared but I guess this is the age of spreading the word electronically. Hopefully Hand and others don't think they are as great as a bunch of star struck fans (or posters to this site) think they are. They will have to come in and work and go to the back of line in most cases and learn how to play on an offense/defense for Borges/Mattison.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Anonymous Ass||
Again, there is a percentage of posters to this site that are just simply immature douchebags. How contratrian to keep heaping on RR and anything RR related. Good for GERG and good for anyone for that matter that is able to get back into his "work" after being fired. Hope he does well and strengthens his chances to move to other positions eventually. It is a tough situation though.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Contrarian or idiot||
For the love of God - what a stupid statement. Green will get there, as will Smith. Green's long run was the result of a frigg'n hole anyone of us would have gotten through. He did what he was supposed to do on that but let's not ascribe too much. On the the plays where there wasn't much there he didn't really create anything. Smith for the most part also ran into a pretty cluttered field. I didn't see Green's speed when he was on kickoff (no way he is a 4.3) and he really couldn't get to the edge on the outside runs. He looked good in his first game against a certain type of opponent late in the game. Give him props and hope he consistently progresses. Not better than Fitz.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Joke, really?||
Were you going to post that it was a joke had not someone said it was "classless" ? C'mon man.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Brian et al||
"Deveon is lost in the shuffle" because, Brian, you lost him in the shuffle.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||RB pool of 6 "up"||
Based on this comment you will have Fitz, Kerridge, #2 RB, 3rd down RB, Houma, and it would have to be an upper classmen for the last spot this season. Think you see Green and Shallman redshirt. Given the likelyhood of 0 - 1 RB maybe next class that would give you a good depth across positions/classes.
On a tangent, heard Archie Manning this a.m. specifically praise Devin as one of the standouts of his academy. Wasn't a comment in passing either.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Green light||
For his frame and the way he runs on the highlight from H.S. - certainly would not want more on him. He wasn't exactly Noel Devine'ish before. With that said, camp will definately get 8- 10 off of him IMO. Going forward though, he ain't gonna get taller so it looks like he will really have to battle his physical maturity for his time at Michigan. Not a bad thing, just a thing.
Smith is a great weight for his body type and athleticism.
Gedeon is supposedly a freak in the weight room/testing and with that size now he could be one of the top odds guys to play meaningful time out of this class.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Barwis connection||
MC came back and trained considerably with Barwis post season. Apparently he made the most of it !
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Says||
The anonymous supposed football coach at the youth level....
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Ace Face||
With all due respect .... Ace says he's a bad blocker ? C'mon guys. High school kids with huge variations in coaching that range from stellar to incompetent are going to be labeled as a non-effort guy? Technique may be shit, but the fact that he's getting to a guy it sounds consistently is the first thing you want in terms of recongition of his job. Isn't his high school a D4 or D5 program too?
|1 year 18 weeks ago||Jumbo Athlete||
Just because he isn't easilly pegged after a high school career (at a program notorious for lack of flexibility) I wouldn't take the direction he won't be a strong offensive player. As a football coach, what I take from this is that you are getting a player who by all accounts has the strength, speed, and athleticism to do a multitude of things for you. I would think Hoke and Co are confident that with strong positional coaching they can make a very good weapon out of him.
|1 year 18 weeks ago||Summer "management"||
Slightly tangental to this is a constant refrain from coaches that because of existing NCAA rules on summer coaching contact it is very hard for the teams to keep the kids on a short leash. To some extent this stuff is minimized during the fall/winter semesters because of the tremendously busy schedules the players have. Scum is scum - (hitting women) whether it would be a Buckeye, Trojan, or Wolverine, but the ability to keep the kids from running with limited class schedules and even more limited football requirements other than S&C work during the summer gives these players quite a bit of free time during the summer months.
|1 year 20 weeks ago||And you discerned all of this how?||
Might be missing bad here on some egalitarian sarcasm but... if serious - you are recreating the same error. You are coming to a decision that he probably can't - especially since he doesn't have good leg drive -
At what point do you allow for :
Lifting/eating/nutrition now since January = probably bigger, stronger, and better leg drive..
A whole gob of actual blocking practice during spring (remember you didn't see everything in the spring game...)
Untold hours of film/technique review with Ferrigno and Borges
All of the upcoming camp which will be more intense than above
but.... surely based on significant analysis of his hand-placement at some point he doesn't have the ability to do it this year....
Again - depends upon what blocks you need for the play/package he's in for. Success is being able to execute the block he is asked to do - not just pass-pro on a DE, or drive a DT.
|1 year 20 weeks ago||Ability/Potential||
Is not determined by Brian either. Neg away. The theme here is that he can't do it. His high school coach used him as an H-Back. I'm sure Borges saw him block - so again the common throng here says he can't. Depends upon the position he is in, the play, the type of block. BTW haven't seen any 6' 6 LB's roaming around too much. All types of blocks and you are saying "he can't". My point about a smaller/lighter person clocking a bigger guy is lost it seems. Funchess came from a program where he didn't have to block so it is understandable given his size that this will be an area where he may be behind the curve still. Butt has film out where you can see his blocking and he did some fairly well in the spring game, but then again Brian said he isn't good here (or good enough yet to rely on) so that is reality.
|1 year 20 weeks ago||So the narrative is||
Jake is 230 and can't block? Who's measuring this? A 6' 6ish 230lber (although light for the position) is still a big man compared to most linebackers. Depending upon angles he can also handle a DE. Doesn't have to road-grade everyone and in fact because he can be moved around would not be uncommon to see him stalk-blocking various personnel. Haven't seen any proof that he can't block yet - seems to be a pretty cliche' indictment. I still remember seeing a smallish Maurice Jones-Drew block a much bigger D-end by the name of Merriman pretty well..
|1 year 20 weeks ago||Think the weights are good for incoming||
Saw posted that they all did some testing last week or this week and have begun to lift formally after getting to school. Others are probably left over from spring?
|1 year 20 weeks ago||Nice... to pure RB's at 218||
Nice... two pure RB's at 218 and 220, one "something" back at 245. Behind a line that is not that small either. Know there could be a redshirt or two in this but the future looks good.
Morris needs some weight
Thought Hill would be heavier but that's a good weight to start at as a frosh
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Excellent - great film||
Michigan is going to field a big-ass team over the next several seasons. With few exceptions, everyone is on the tall/big side of their position measurables. Athletic football players who all seem like they could play several positions so that gives Borges and Mattison a lot of options.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Mr. Bosch is a||
"SOB" - in all the best sense as a mean, nasty, OL player. He is exactly the personality and skill type you want to have. Hear overall he is a great kid with a great personality but is a prickly son of a b_ _ _ _ on the field. Perfect. I really can't see him and Dawson compared so closely. Dawson to me is not as violent nor athletic as Bosch. We'll see, I could be wrong, but my sense is Bosch will be a fantastic OL for us and start for several seasons at M.
|1 year 22 weeks ago||This is great and a question for all||
Is it me or is there a change not only in the type of walk-ons being asked to join but also what seems to be their general caliber as athletes? Can't say that I've followed this aspect of it in past years but is there something different here this season that could be part of the overall plan for the team? I know that walk-ons have to get accepted academically so the good grades don't jump out as much as what "seams" to be better talent in the high school level.
|1 year 22 weeks ago||Offers||
Word is he had some D2 offers. Was a player that just wasn't sure if he wanted to play college football for his career and being at CC didn't get him a lot of exposure with that "welcome back Kotter" offense. Comes from a pretty smart family and was thinking academics all the time. When the Michigan coaches contacted him I guess he thought about the opportunity. According to Twitter he was with Morris, Wangler, and Shellman all day up in A2
|1 year 22 weeks ago||Good high ceiling||
big, smart, aggressive player. Absolutely no training outside of the school program which isn't really a passing team.... Moores might really bloom with some coaching and may prove to be an asset to the QB squad and who knows - might save our keesters in the future if one of the starters gets banged up. Nice find Borges.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||typical snarkfest||
For most of this board... you were raised by two parents and probably in a fairly safe and nurtured environment. While I can argue that these are "rules" rather than "values" it is a good thing that any school does this. Do not think that this message is not necessary for kids who have played at Michigan or on the team currently. I would like to think less do need these reminders but it is necessary.
Unfortunately in our society there are kids who grow up and never hear things like this. It's not bad that any program is posting it, it's sad that they have too.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||Just regular people||
Anyone on this site have plain ol' regular kids and attended a plain ol' regular school? Anyone here ever play any high school football let alone college ball?
|1 year 24 weeks ago||Love FJ||
But let's just wait and see. Was looking at last year's press day and Jackson was saying the same about Hayes and Rawls : ) Green should be a very powerful runner no doubt though. I am concerned that he doesn't have the frame to carry "239". He was a stiff runner at whatever his high school weight was and he is built stocky to begin with. Don't know what his best weight will be but that sounds a little too much and speaks to a concern that he has physically plateaued already.
|1 year 24 weeks ago||Ace ....||
"if Al Borges fails to adapt enough to today's game (with his increased recruiting of tights ends of all sizes, ..."
So you are saying "today's game" is a spread the field game? Am I missing something? Kinda thought we went through that stage at Michigan. Today's game tends to be more of the Stanfords/Bama's/Georgias/LSU/OSU I would contend. Man Ball doesn't have to be I-formation Iso's.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||33||
already saw a pic of a M locker somewhere on the interweb with #33 and Wyatt Shallman. I also think I saw where McCray is going to be 9.
Edit - nevermind - you found it !
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Young QB||
Wilton looks to have a much faster release in these then you can tell from highlights. Impressed with the speed of the spin on the drill and the following throws. Obviously bigger than Shane but looks to have a stronger arm. BTW - do these guys just make up crap for QB's to do? I can understand dropping, dodging a defensive player and releasing to make a throw, but some of this just looks to be filler for the camp drill session.
|1 year 27 weeks ago||Emergency Management Bowl?||
think of the merchandise opportunities
|1 year 27 weeks ago||Position||
Hoke talked about him not so much positionally but role - I can't find it but in the interviews they did with him as they announced kids he talked about him doing some downhill single back, running/blocking from the FB "spot" and catching. My guess is he will run the ball more than some who think he's a pure FB but will end up being used in power scenarios and moved around in the backfield in several scenarios. Might be good to get him redshirted so that he can mature - heard he is young for this class - and they can teach him the multiple skills he'll need if he is going to be in this kind of role.
|1 year 27 weeks ago||response pending...||
If you get a response I would be really surprised if it even goes near what your questions are related to. From his perspective he might be thinking that you would post it publically ... ; ) Great question and it would be interesting to hear his take on it. I met Coach T years ago at a resort in Florida in the off season. Seams like a good guy and was very sociable - he had a job to do (win) and he did a pretty good job at it.
|1 year 28 weeks ago||Magnus Thunder (I can't believe I'm doing this)||
has what seems a list generated from the players. a few differences - shallman is going to wear 33 for what looks like a pretty cool reason.
|1 year 28 weeks ago||Low lights||
Not sure that most highlight films are not actually more "lowlights" of other teams. Especially for this type of position. D. Green seems to be a great prospect but some of the teams on his film didn't look that good and their records confirmed that. With that being said, it doesn't mean the player is necesarilly lacking. I will take Mattison's eye and intuition anyday over the mullings of someone who hasn't watched a player in person.
|1 year 28 weeks ago||Title IX is the hurdle||
As pointed out above - this can't be dealt with (paying players) unless it is equal to all athletes under scholarship. While you could proportionatly "pay" at some point with football and hoops at the top - I guarantee it is only a matter of time before you have a class action lawsuit by fieldhockey players who have a good season and believe they have been "paid less" because of gender. Also, would it only be limited to scholarhship athletes or walk-ons who are playing (think Kovacs prior to earning a scholarship).
I like the potential of letting players own their rights to their images although that could become pretty damn destracting on a team at some point (QB is earning $'s and the O-line gets squat). I think doing something along these lines would also allow to the industry to make a decision to push the school ($'s aren't shared) and not focus on the player (so these situations would be minimal.
Given them a stipend is going to be challenged too as either being too little, too much, or not consistant.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||Crawford ='s Cass Tech model||
My guess is that he'll be more for offense. There has been a recent change in terms of height especially in the secondary and the the shorter guys from the last few seasons are still fighting for time. Jordan Lewis is not quite the same and is also a very good receiver. Anyway - Michigan has in most cases started to recruit on the Stanford and ND model of taller players across almost all positions. There are exceptions obviously - but especially Stanford is pretty adamant about increasing the overall height minimum at all of their positions. Bama is certainly in this model too.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||yo yost..||
Brock did it but if you speak with him - not without Mike's help. Mealer had the drive and faith and he started working with Mike after "others" said he had a 1% chance. Pretty sure Barwis dropped and F-bomb and they got started.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||That's the format||
Getting the message and story out are what is good here. Brock I believe is trying to build a career out of being a motivational speaker/coach.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||That is TEDx and Mike Barwis||
TEDx speakers are only allotted 15 minutes. Intentionally done to focus the speaker. Who gives a rat's ass if Mike paces because that's exactly what Mike does when you spend time with him. Frenetic is an understatement and you see on stage exactly what he is. What he has done with/for these people (and is still doing) is incredible.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||Some facts, more opinion||
Even looking at the opening kickoff you see multiple areas where grown men are hitting each other very hard and their heads are involved. Granted athletes and speed of game is greater but I can tell you the game was just as prone to head injuries back then. There isn't some threshold that we passed in 1995 that all of a sudden impacts are beyond the brain's ability to absorb. Worse helmets, no facemasks, much more rigorous practices, etc all contributed to injuries back then at a pretty good pace. My father played football in the 30's and allowing for dramatic license, there were a lot of dudes knocked the hell out back then in every game. Hell, Navy had some players in the 30's that would tape angle iron to their forearms for a little extra ooomph... I think the risk has always been about the same but this is becoming a "movement" now for the good of and also to the detriment of the sport.
|1 year 31 weeks ago||Not about you Mr. Harris||
God - why would Huge accept him as a guest. Every recruiting cycle there are a number of dads who put them in the process. What they don't realize is: 1. it's creepy and 2. once the players sign LOI's you can't hang out at practices and bich at coaches either.
|1 year 31 weeks ago||A point to consider||
Looking at the various maps it does seem (not a big surprise) that "most" decisions have a big geographic component to them. With that being said - then that is probably the biggest driver of conference success - especially if that conference is heavilly populated. Add to that an overall issue of having success recruiting at cold-weather schools which is a pretty big deal. A young stud from Louisianna is probably not going to seriously enjoy our winters if he feels has equal choices (I know that young Mr Dilieo has however... thank you).
As for the more consistent density of athletes in SEC land which was mentioned. Demographically - you have more African American youth (majority of D1 players) living in rural areas in the south than you comparatively have here in the north where these athletes more often than not live in larger urban areas.
I guess - all this tells me we can still compete but MN is screwed...
|1 year 31 weeks ago||Yowza||
" Williams is a good high school athlete but lacking refinement in some areas """"""""...
that is some real meat there
|1 year 33 weeks ago||Yeah, Thatcher was worthless||
I hate people who can make a decision, stand firmly against what was then a significant threat to the entire world, understood that deciveness is better than fence-straddling, and I really don't like her a bit either because she was a woman.
I also can't wait to see what others think about me at the time of my passing.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||for those bitching about contact...||
You are idiots - you don't have knowledge of it and you ask why the coaches would let him be hit (and therefore cause the injury). BTW it was not the result of contact - just happened.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||running backs||
not getting a warm vibe about their belief in anyone of the backs. They are all pretty well known quantitiies to the coaches at this point and I think for this position you typically have it or don't "have it". Not to say they are subpar but still to hear the comments about guys picking key things up, some are better some days, etc leads me to believe they like and will develop this group with some limited success and are hoping Fitz returns or the younger guys coming in the fall can bring different skillsets. Anybody hearing anything about Houma?
|1 year 35 weeks ago||maybe a topic||
for the younger crowd who are good with Photo-Shop - some appropriate aircraft with "OHIO" nose art ...
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Background is limited||
Have an old book about B-24's in combat and there isn't much more in that about this aircraft then what is captured (model, artist, group/squadron etc). Do know that the B-24 had some pretty loud nose art throughout the war in part because of the large flat sided nature of the fuselage (as compared to a rounded cross section on a 17 or 29). Would be incredible if the Yankee Air Museum did this up if they have a B-24. I know they have a 17 and 25.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Extra people also||
are many from the coaches clinic I believe. This is a tough drill for the D since the back just needs to make a pretty basic read with no other considerations. A "win" isn't necessarilly making a tackle in this drill for the D. Might be more of the definition of victory for the DB's because they often have the last shot. An internal lineman can win by keeping the OL off of the LB when you think of the overall defense. Very impressed with Godin in the two clips. He played high a lot in high school (which is typical of HS kids). Bosch looked very good. Hell, they all looked pretty good for a drill. Still trying to figure out who #18 was running the ball - I don't see two 18's listed on the roster.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Agree completely||
I might also add that really good coaches also then go and tend to their anonymous blog and post daily semi-nude coeds.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Fuck||
can I have some points back now? this seems to be the literary currency on the site
|1 year 35 weeks ago||board hoard||
well at least you didn't prove your devotion and seriousness by typing the f word and no, I didn't say that he would be back in the fall jr... AP tore his ACL in December and returned in August..... I was implying that this will can have a very successful ending to it in that when he gets back he can also have a record-setting year.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Honestly - this board||
is bi-polar. Pure fans who don't get the game and are subsequently super high or super pissed at each thing. This is a poor break for Jake and he will recover (think Adrian Peterson). The coaches have contingencies for every player and every position since this is as much a part of the game as is special teams or clock-management. Someone will rise to fill his role and maybe another star will be born for future seasons. Bad news yes. Does not mean the end to the successful season already.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||This is important||
Lord knows we need to have a hoops President who spends his time on this. What would the fans think if he didn't do this each year. Was hoping the sequester would have eliminated the $'s for this over let's say - refueling an aircraft carrier.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||follow up question for Mr. Conseco||
Do you know what is the biggest killer of humans is not of this world?
|1 year 36 weeks ago||it has to be true||
it's on the internet..... do you really know that he is a coach? Just because he says so has to be the truth? I know, trolling....
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Great reporting Magnus||
Are you getting updates from Singletary or merely posting what Michigan football is posting all day on Twitter ?
As to Kovac's speed - 4.5 to 4.6 for a safety with good instincts is fine. So much confusingly placed on a tenth of a second in football times. Safeties start down field and usually come up on players running or in routes. A moment of hesitation or not reading a coverage can easily make a "burner" 4.3 guy in perfect situations a 4.6 guy or worse. His speed and measurables physically are good enough. Good open field and all around tackler, certainly has the determination and perserverance you would look for, has the inteligence, and has a good resume. Will be a great later round "get" for a team and with a little luck can have a good multi-year career.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Any sense if||
Godin was left out intentionally? Considering the class from 12 and the spots available I would have thought he'd be mentioned in the mix. There is going to be very strong competition to get on the field especially for the O and D line which is a great thing for the players and the team
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Pros and cons to both||
Nothing wrong or "less" about being more methodical about getting to the line. So your comment about Dunn isn't stating a negative. Many backs are "slow to the hole and fast through it". Additionally, I don't know how you can judge one as more explosive - if they are getting yards consistantly then they are probably "explosive". You comments about Dunn potentially not being able to do break tackles, excell against college players, etc all can be said just as equally about Green. You certainly can't compare talent in H.S. game film when you have no basis for quality of opponents either.
Both were wanted by Michigan's current staff so both meet that foundation. Too soon to know who will be best of these two and even that will be contingent upon scads of variables. Nothing guarantees Green will be a stud or a bust at Michigan at this stage. Maybe the first time he is walloped by Ross or somebody else in the fall he gets gun shy... We just don't know.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||are we at this point now?||
Really, everything OSU does is evil and stupid and cheating and ..... What that coach said was nothing and it was funny.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Have you seen him?||
or do you know he's running by looking at some highlight tape. You are 4 states removed for God's sake - if your computer broke you would be clueless
|1 year 38 weeks ago||want the kids||
to show "you"? You are not going to get that insight from spring practice.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Race is important||
Especially in this context and I also believe youth is as well. I think Coach Hoke addressed both. I'm as old and as white as the next guy but teams who are majority African American need coaches that are too - it is important. Teams which are 100% young'ns need some guys on the staff that aren't just GA's that are close to their generation too. So yes, some of this is based on race and age, but not for any other reasons that this is helpful to connect and teach the kids on the team.
Sounds like a very good fit !
|1 year 38 weeks ago||ohh crap||
I agree with Magnus on this one regarding Green .. Anyway - this is a great point about the environment of combines/7v7/recruiters etc at the High School level. As an example look at past 40 times our of the Mich Prep combine in Wixom. More 4.3's/.4's than an NFL combine and all reported straight faced. Timers are on chairs watching (and not watching) the starts. Seems best 40's are kids who use the video highlight/recruiting service. This is one example.
Give me a team of skill players that are all burners in the 10 and 20 and I'll give you a championship. 40's maybe for corners and WR's but like they were talking about in the combine - some nfl teams don't care about a stable of 4.3 CB's. They used Seattle as an example - heavy press man and lots of help over the top because of their base coverages.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||During this hiatus||
of current military flyovers we can still enjoy alot of the old combat aircraft that are all now civilian owned.
I love a B2, Hornet, Falcan, etc as much as the next guy but if fans haven't seen a flight of P-51s come over at about 400 mph it would be just as impressive. So many in the A2 area alone over at Willow Run with the Yankee Air Museum. They have several b-25's, always flying a b-17g, i think we've seen the c-47 at games. Next war up - there are F-86's around, several F-80's, and a number of Skyraiders.
Think we can make due until the kids in Washington get their shit together.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Exactly...||
Believe what you want uber fan. Fred Jackson thinks you are like the North Koreans only more docile.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||people....||
Any of you can do what Magnus does #1 look at highlight reels and have an opinion. #2 set up google searches for every recruit and regurgitate what you've "heard" #3 Attend Nike coaching clinics and critique those who are actually coaches for college programs #4 post
Also, when will this board stop with Fred Jackson jokes - even for the younger generation this was perhaps still original 3 years ago (que Fred Jackson comments on what I just said by a zany poster)
|1 year 39 weeks ago||regarding defensive size||
stronger, faster and slightly shorter than Richardson. He could do it in the right situations. With that being said, I am happy if he gets to play where he enjoys the game the most and it's what the coaches are good with.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||Don't object to moving him||
but I do believe it is not in a 7 v 7 "coach" (another point of contention too) to yap about this. I know it isn't a trade secret prior to a big game but you are twice removed from the kid at UofM and just because he told you - you shouldn't spill this to rivalscout247et al....
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Magnus takes offense to this||
has built a net career earning millions of internet dollars looking at highlight film and being able to discern everything from motivation to and including throwing distance.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||So did #24 ever get a scholarship?||
A couple in every camp - things have not changed. I like how he looked around and nobody wanted to "follow" his "leadership". God that type of turf back then was painfully hard.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Good examples||
Run oriented, a lot of 2 back sets, strong play action as a foundation. Gardner can definately add something to all of this like CK.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||It's nice, but not a world-beater||
The "space" is big but the key too is that it is shared by all sports. There are many equally as nice facilities that are only for the football programs. PSU's, Notre Dame's, WVU's are among some very open and impressive rooms. Michigan's has the equipment, but the weight room's visual impact is not the same with the low ceilings. What you put in the room and how you use it are the key. Alabama could still impress with a pre-fab building with a bunch of iron in it. Juice bars, nutritionists, saunas, etc are all pretty ubiquitous now at this level.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||How good was Green's competition?||
except for a game i believe they were all blowout wins for Hermatige. Is that because of Green or shitty opponents? I don't know, maybe somebody knows something about that league.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Ceiling discussion||
No way of proving this.... absolute opinion. Looking at video of Green when he was in 9th grade from a combine they said he was 230 - the story is he was actually at 250 initially (8th grade?). That is a physically mature kid in that video already from 4 years ago. Now he's around 220 and well, chiselled. I think he may be near his physical upside.... not necessarilly skill upside which might be the difference in these scenarios. You are not going to pack on pounds on a frame like his without it being detrimental - he isn't exactly "rangy". He's going to really have to manage his weight which is perfect but he may be flirting with wanting to add some crap pounds throughout his tenure. Smith looks to have the frame to add some good weight but I don't see him being more than 220 if ever that. So, with this class you have a 210 ish, 220ish, and a bigger "back" around 245 (who still looks lean). Overall good scale of athletes and it bodes well if for nothing than an appreciation of kinetic energy. I think Green will do very well at Michigan, but I think he may be locked physically into the range he is (which isn't bad either)
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Like OMG Kelly||
Jumping to a few conclusions eh? Jackson can't make someone better than they are and he has to work with the talent he has or has been allowed to take (remember, many of the backs now would not have been recruited under RR) When did Mike Hart suddenly have a incredible coaching resume' ? He's helped with a position for two seasons.....
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Like OMG Kelly||
Jumping to a few conclusions eh? Jackson can't make someone better than they are and he has to work with the talent he has or has been allowed to take (remember, many of the backs now would not have been recruited under RR) When did Mike Hart suddenly have a incredible coaching resume' ? He's helped with a position for two seasons.....
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Good for him but...||
Yet another joins the ranks of the scouting services that could not have played much of any of the sport he is to analyze recruits at.
good explosiveness, plays high, great highlights, loose in the hips, and had a great visit, thinks the coaches are intense.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Damn the facts -||
Uhhh, Brian Kelly became head coach at GVSU in 1991. Was on staff before since 1987. Certainly "jumped ship" I absolutely agree.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Agree about Smith||
Same mentality on this board earlier in the year except it was...Isaac. Smith has all the skill and 90% less hype.
Lewan's decision is good for the team - not a recruit who hasn't made a decision and therefore is not as relevant as those on the team that have.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Of course you don't||
I bet you would have poo-pood someone like Alfred Morris with the Redskins too. Sixth round guy, high 4.6 forty. Nothing special.
Bell has a very good chance at being a very good back. You can't account for team/coaching fit and just plain old luck.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||This doesn't mean anything...||
He could commit after the game, and then he could not... Green has been very friendly with basically all the players at all the schools (not a criticism, seems like his personality). Don't read that much into a picture. IMO he is a kid who wants to stretch this out, I would not doubt new schools getting mentioned now that some Bowl performances are clarifying depth for next year (and yes, that does bode well for us too)
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Next Career||
Coach Borges definately has a fall-back career doing voice-overs for commercials and narrating shows. Slam dunk.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Next Career||
Coach Borges definately has a fall-back career doing voice-overs for commercials and narrating shows. Slam dunk.
|1 year 50 weeks ago||buh byy...||
If you look closely the OL Hurst mauls looks like he's waiving "so-long" to being vertical. The poor corner on his blitz was hoping this would be his highlight lead.
I hope Morris doesn't get all 7v7ish if that's what I was reading. Needs to go stealth, work on serious qb stuff, get down to Michigan as often as possible and make the transition.
|1 year 50 weeks ago||No politics fo sho||
Unless it's on my version of politics' newscast I will not enjoy a local inspiration and his story, and be happy for Brock and his future wife. I'm taking a stand politically, because I don't want it to be political !... Anyway, Gretchen is smok'n. Hopefully you'll watch Brock if he gets on the view or Jerry Springer.
|2 years 2 hours ago||Ty Isaac 2||
Gotta wonder more about how D. Smith feels about this. I look at these backs as more of his niche rather than Shallman who will have a role because of his size. If they are looking for 2 more backs maybe there's something to be said about the stable that is the program right now. Certainly could spread 4 backs out with redshirting.
On another note, caught the D1 finals. Jordan Lewis is a heck of a player but you don't see the "wow" when he's on defense. CC got him a number of times. Standout on offense in this game however. First time I've watched Shallman in person in a long time. He is quick-twitch big time, and agile. A littel bit of coaching and grooming and Michigan will have a good player no matter where they put him. Both of these players will be great additions. Dawson - I would say was good but not dominant. Spent a fair amount of time jaw-boning and it looked like Wilcher had to get in his grill about it on a few occaisions.
|2 years 5 weeks ago||Ok, I guess so||
If he's cleared then good for him but... he was vomiting on himself and you could see it. Also couldn't walk without 2 others helping him. As far as concussion like symptoms go that's at the pretty clear end of the spectrum
|2 years 6 weeks ago||Fickell might need that job||
I would bet monopoly millions that if the D continues to struggle and is poorly rated regardless of how OSU finishes up then Meyer finds a new DC. Remember, he's used to having folks like Mr. Mattison in that role. Meyer wants always to be able to say that he has the best coaches and to have one key area being underated will give him the narrative to make that decision.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Gittleson was good||
now was he on the cutting edge of the field in the last few years of Carr ? No, not at all. Doesn't mean that he was bad. Similar is the house cleaning PSU did with their "Gittleson" who was nothing but a machine guy primarilly. That type of trainng was the mainstay for quite a while and it has evolved. Barwis and Wellman someday may be veiwed as representing a "former" way of training too.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Again, incorrect||
Barwis "did" have experience in this area before he worked with Mealer.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Holy smokes kids...||
A statement of fact is made about how one may be better than the other because of a player and good weight, bad weight in his senior year? Anyone ever hear of physical maturity, and maybe willingness of the athlete (BWC knows he has one shot now ).
All these comments about how good styles are or S&C methodologies... not anyone here has spent any time, let alone actual training time with either of these coaches and yet you "know" their styles and strategies based on what?
Both are good and know their stuff. Barwis has more years in the field than Wellman. Wellman is dedicated, motivated, and a great fit for this coach and team and will continue to excel.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||only two possibilities?||
C'mon. So many variations. Have to take it seriously and if your knocked out or get a really bad stinger the first-responders will always be uber safe and get you to the hospital for additional monitoring/imaging whatever.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||So you are talking about||
7 on 7 then.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Screw the weights||
Interesting to see that Godin is 29 years old ! (says he was born in 1983 : )
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Learning something about demographics||
I'm listening to a conference call with some dudes/dudets in Europe and what I still call Russia.
What is the average age of this board, 21?
|2 years 16 weeks ago||open source gamebreaking||
I think this is the approach. It doesn't have to be the RB. -it helps but it isn't the only position it can come from. Would we consider Hart a "game-breaker"? I'm not sure, but his style was perfect for those years. In past years were the "game-breakers" a product of the offense and scheme or purely singular talent?
Green will be an asset no question. For 13 I'm happy with Smith/Shallman if that is what is to be. Obviously the upperclassmen will have a couple that rise to the top and are studs in their own right.
Why can't Kyle Bosch be our "game-breaker" for this year : )
|2 years 16 weeks ago||interesting point on "game breakers"||
Do you believe you have to have a "game-breaker" to win on the national level? Loaded question but a bad-ass line with a number of big to bigger powerful guys that should be able to get you 4 yards minimum isn't a bad formula IMO. Can the "game-breaker" be played by the Norfleets, Hayes' of the world when you get them in the open? Does it have to be the RB?
|2 years 16 weeks ago||But what if Mark||
posts pictures of college chicks every third time, that has to a have some sway.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Green is||
a heavier version of the same "type" of RB as Smith. Smith has more "shake" to him and IMO greater upside physically as he matures. Green does seem to not be a natural smooth receiver but that doesn't mean he can't learn to catch the balls he would get in this position.
Isaac is not a burner. He's not slow but he certainly isn't a sub 4.5 athlete. Additionally, there is no evidence from his film that he was/is a good blocker or power runner. Doesn't mean that he isn't, but with his team and those epic holes opened up he didn't have to do much else. Isaac has a very narrow frame. Don't know if he will be a 240 guy.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||RJS et al||
Royce is lighter than I would have expected
Ross is heavier
Mario has to redshirt and pack on some weight - he's not a speedster so you wouldn't waiste a year on special teams (he's fast, just not fast...)
Rawls seems to be at a great weight, seems like we'll have a bunch guys from 210 to 230 for several years to come
Godin is a little lighter than expected. I think he'll get a redshirt and get up to 285'ish next year. His trainer should have been all over this.
Bolden looks like he'll play his last few seasons in the 230's which will be great
Beyer up to 250 ! Excellent
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Like it, like it alauut||
If they hit someone real hard and lay them out they can turn their hand and tell them to sleep with the "z".
Good for Northwestern. Nice look
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Why's Dawson getting offers still?||
I don't see (or read) that other top members of the class are getting offers at this rate. Why are they (not) and Dawson (is)?
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Agree regarding Bo so..||
how about a statue of "the team". Not quite Band of Brothers logo, but something that makes you think of the unity and timelessness of the concept
|2 years 18 weeks ago||does anybody||
over the age of 25 actually have enough time to play a game to this detail ?
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Can't figure out the angle||
been in NYC 100's of times but I can't figure out this perspective? Is the storm dumping right on mid-town? Really interesting to see how the rain and cold air literally pours out of the clound and swirls and flairs out at the bottom.
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Shane according to Mags ...||
Not that "big" of a get because he only had offers from Cinci and MSU outside of M
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Invisable Deveon||
Said before (so it has to be worth saying again). RB don't have to carry the load with an outstanding and balanced offense which is what we are moving towards. Deveon Smith is an outstanding pure RB, Johnson has great potential, Rawls is looking very good as well. As mentioned you have a hybrid guy with Shallman next year who will I think end up doing a number of things in the backfield. Isaac is not the star he's made out to be. I just don't buy it. He'll be a good back and play, but will not be a 5 star in college.
I think decisions by the supposed "elite" rb's everyone is whining about are also based despite what they say on where they think they can get on the field immediately in. If I'm a RB and I look at Michigan I say: "gotta beat out Fitz, Rawls, then maybe a Johnson maybe Hayes, then compete with Smith and at times a Shallman".
|2 years 18 weeks ago||says they guy||
Whose i.d. photo is Mike Martin which is akin to a little boy running around shouting "i'm really knowledgeable about football cause I have pictures of Mike Martin"
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Actually Sarah||
Not being a journalist/reporter is to your benefit ! I'm still trying to figure out why it seems that every single male recruiting analyst out there looks like they have never played a quarter of JV high school ball. You can say that you came to this profession out of interest rather than envy.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Green is a man -child||
I believe it was posted that he is not as fast as was Isaac so you can throw out the 4.3 forty. He also didn't run a forty at the opening so we don't have a current. Kids like this however always confuse me a bit. He is very mature physically and anywhere from 220 - 230 at about 5' 10" per reports. How does a kid like this mature in college? I don't see anyone getting leaner with age. Any back in the 7v7's is kinda just "there". Not much to do. Hands seemed average, didn't look to catch the ball soft. If I had to choose between him and Isaac for a number one, I'd take Isaac because of the frame and what seems like a higher physical ceiling.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||7v7 ='s WWF||
Other than "reps" I just have a hard time equating this to football. Shane will be excellent but jogging around and passing with no pressure is nothing similar to the game. DB's are at a huge disadvantage as well. I know this is not a ground breaking perspective and for that I apologize.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Signficant sample size?||
Nerds as mentioned above run the world... but, yikes. Has anybody here actually played ?
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Icy veins ?||
Really? This is seven v seven. Let's not get carried away.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Oprah ' ish||
Somebody who gains that much has to have had some indicators. How big is his dad/mom? Doesn't tell all but if the Dad for example is a monster then you at least have something to chew on in terms of predictions.
This happens at schools but how can a program at this level not keep this from happening with a scholarship athlete? This can't just happen in the few weeks in the summer where he may be able to be around less frequently.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Excellent story||
Absolutely love these types of storylines to recruits. Gives hope to all the kids that aren't on the radar's of the services and also somewhat challenges the services to dig a bit deeper.
Also appreciate the Guy Fawkes reference. Well played.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||What other M on M matchups ?||
I know that Detroit CC (martin,godin,shallman) will play DeLasalle (morris) every season since they in the same league. CC or DLS could play Cass Tech in post season. What other potential '13 recruit/commit games are there where we have both sides covered?
|2 years 23 weeks ago||Camp is not closed||
Never has been. Clearly states parents welcome on the material and I have been at most over the last 8 years and you can always go and observe no questions asked. Heck, most of Michigan's practices are open now (with permission to attend) so the camp sure wouldn't be closed.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||But...||
knowing 2 guys who have seen him on the camp circuit is a more thorough and risk ameliorating process.
Camps tell you a bit. Films tell you a bit. Seeing them play several times during a season tell you a bit. Just because service "x" analyst says he has a "weaker" arm or is more average doesn't fortify your perspective on him.
Ohh and yes, a kid being a 2 or 3 star who has been solid and progressing annually and looks to be the type that will really have a much higher ceiling in college is a horseshit methodology.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||Good talent(potential) with good coaching||
Can equal Tom Brady... Remember, Coach Hoke said he probably would have been a high 2 or low three star coming out of high school. Whomever we recruit I trust they will do it with dilligence. A lot of eggs are sitting in Morris' basket right now which he is worthy of but there has to be quality depth.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||QB recruiting||
Regardless of who Borges offers first the kid would be in a great spot. Most likely they take a few QB's and redshirt one in 14, then you get some spacing between them and Morris. If Morris isn't the second coming... then you have someone who has some time in the system to step in. Of course, Bellomy could really progress and Morris is backup for a season more then you get a nice arrangement of QB's and tenure. Need at least two qb's this class.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||So your expert analysis||
is based upon 2nd hand accounts and youtube game highlights?.... shocking.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Little baby falcons||
I can "see" Bo as a falcon. Carr... not sure I see it although he does remind me a bit of the eagle on the Muppets.
Now - we have to go out and spray-paint all of the pidgeons in A2 scarlet and grey because they are the main meal for these predators.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Ace - a question(s)||
Do you believe that recruiting services have any business pressures built in to bias them towards chasing eyeballs rather than having "accurate" ratings? Does not the business side of all this drive activity? Do editors (or whatever you call them at Rivals, Scout et al) get measured on metrics that involve traffic, links, etc?
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Save your Canadian $'s||
Recruiting services are a waist unless you/your parents/coaches are unable or unwilling to do the work. Everything they do you can do for free (except maybe produce highlights) Interesting looking at the Michigan High School Coaches Association's position paper on these services (I know they are not the end all..). You can get just as much visability by camping, calling, emailing your highlights, calling, and calling. The kid already has at least the base size to get attention. Assuming film is good. Coaches need talent - they will take a look at him if they learn about him.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Go south||
If he wants to get on the radar of U.S. programs he'll need to camp strategically at the schools he likes or more importantly, believes he has an interest in. Spread it around and hit a D2, and then D1's in different conferences. He can get to many just for one day and is not obligated to spend the big $ paying for food/lodging. If he has highlights then get them up on huddle or youtube as a start and let coaches know.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Related Michigan USAAF theme||
Cant' find the pic right now but there was a B-24 in the Phillipines in 1945 that had a gigantic mural of Michigan Stadium and of course, a well built lady. Took up most of the nose of the plane and if you are familiar with the aircraft it was a very big canvas.
Edit - found a pic of a model of it... close enough.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||hard to impact early||
seems to be a take-away if you are not ready to say it's a pretty much 1 out of 11. Elite 11 doesn't guarantee you will walk into a major program and blow it up, let alone start your first year.... It also speaks to ye old recruiting hype and highlight / 7v7 reference points.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||I call bullshit...||
Hart was a 4.7 guy. You don't have to be a 4.3 dude to be a very successful RB. I read in the past year a poll of top pro and college coaches on attributes of a successful RB. Speed was at the bottom. Ball control, YAC, pass blocking all were rated higher. To follow your logic means that no tight-ends would ever break-away and score.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||Smith and Shallman have to earn it||
Rawls, Johnson, Hayes, Houma, et al have a pretty good head start on them. Do not count out Norfleet ohh and Fitz.