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|2 hours 6 min ago||Yeah, probably going to have||
Yeah, probably going to have a hard time getting a 1-year-old to sit through a game. I had a Spartan friend to took his 1-year-old to the Rose Bowl and his wife basically left with the kid 20 minutes into the game.
I'd say go for the experience and catch the 2nd half on the car ride home.
|14 hours 54 min ago||Wish him the best in his||
Wish him the best in his recovery; hopefully won't affect his ability to play football next year.
|15 hours 7 min ago||Well, considering Hoke||
Well, considering Hoke apparently referenced the "appeal" not going well, I'm guessing everyone expects Isaac to not get a waiver.
|23 hours 6 min ago||Good to see that even people||
Good to see that even people who write with crayons are able to post comments on newpaper comment sections.
10-2 seems a bit high just because I figure they'll gack up a game here or there, and IU scares me until such time that UM shows it can defend a tempo offense without hilarious missteps, but 8-9 wins wouldn't surprise me.
|1 day 14 hours ago||Nothing shows how reasonable||
Nothing shows how reasonable and sane YOU are like trolling someone on Twitter.
|1 day 14 hours ago||I think the defense looks||
I think the defense looks very good this year, but it still seems a step slow against tempo teams and spread units; IU and OSU shredded them last year for long stretches, and to hear Mattison and Hoke talk it still sounds like they think that type of offense is a fad and not one you need to really gameplan for. I may be off, and maybe the move to a more aggresive, pressing secondary will address those failings, but I'm not sure if the defense will make that type of massive leap forward to where it can compete against the elite offenses in the country. Again, I do think there is evidence that UM's defense is taking a step forward, but I'm not sure how far they are away from their ceiling.
With 2008, it felt like that offense, even with horrible parts, could still take strides forward and be truly terrifying. I mean, look at what OSU is doing under Meyer with that offense, and you can see how scary RR's type of offense could be with the top talent UM could have pulled in (and I actually think RR is the better offensive designer compared to Meyer, even though Meyer is the better coach). Again, it's all about perception at the end of 2008 vs. the end of 2013. Now do I think 2014 will be a good year? Sure. But in 2008 it felt like the pain you needed to go through to possibly have an elite program every year; going into 2014, UM feels like it may well return to Carr-ish levels of 9-10 wins but being a step below the nations best teams. I'm fine with that for now, and I'm actually kind of high on Hoke given his recruiting wins and the fact he does seem to be fashioning a good defense, but I'm sitting here seeing UM returning to a moderate level of success that defined most of Carr's teams in the 00's.
|1 day 15 hours ago||My issue isn't to be a "tough||
My issue isn't to be a "tough guy" on the internet; if I ran into you in person and you questioned a college player's toughness and leadership while citing "sources" I'd take issue with you there as well. Honestly, I don't much care about your personal beliefs and the validity of your sources; I just found your original comment to be the type of insipid, insufferable drek that inevitably gets regurgitated as "proof" by others that player X is horrible or player Y is a god. You again fail to support your claims with anything approaching fact or believability, but that's fine. Maybe Gardner isn't a great leader; I kinda doubt it, but if the circles you run in have some information explaining why Hoke hasn't named any captains, and not just Gardner, then by all means run with it. Me questioning that this information is held by you and you alone, though, doesn't make me a tough guy on the internet; it makes me a skeptical reader. I look forward to further posts from you about why Ryan, Clark, etc. aren't captains as well, and how the fact they haven't been named somehow reflects poorly on their character. Or perhaps your sources are a bit murkier on those details.
I'm happy you don't care what I have to say, the feeling is mutual. Enjoy this season of Michigan football; I hope Gardner's continued leadership of the offense won't disappoint you too much.
P.S. never said 46 was old. You intimated you were wiser because of your years.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Yeah, you might want to quit||
Yeah, you might want to quit while you are ahead. Posting semi-condescending responses to people already questioning a nebulous post isn't making your point any stronger.
Why the HC didn't appoint senior captions doesn't really matter. Last year he appointed senior captions; how did that work out? Taylor Lewan was named a captain last year, and to read around these parts he was a major "cancer" and a cause of last year's troubles. I personally don't buy that, but whatever.
Being a member here doesn't mean a whole lot, especially when you barely post. Not that it should matter, but signing up for an account 6 years ago means you were near a computer and have an email address.
Also, "knowing guys close to the program" is the stock response people around here trot out when they want to sound like an "insider", yet by FAR the best content here comes not from these connected people but by guys like Brian and Ace. It makes me dubious to trust people who cite that as the reason they should be trusted.
And finally, questions of "leadership" from apparently older alums stinks of "back in my day" revisionist history and being annoyed that their alma mater is struggling. If there was any guy last year who played his heart out and didn't embarrass his teammates or the school, it was Devin f*king Gardner.
|1 day 19 hours ago||I think the team will win 8-9||
I think the team will win 8-9 games, which would be an improvement. I'm not "down" in the sense that I think the team will crater, but this is a unit with talent at key positions but also an offensive line that could very well be worse than last year and a running game that is reliant on everyone just getting better because UM has a new OC. I do think they'll be better, but I felt that once RR had Tate on the roster and another year under his belt with these offensive starters, he'd have a solid team. I also figured the defense wouldn't crater nearly as bad as it did.
I'm never meant for anyone to think I looked at 2008 and thought the world was righting itself, but it was fun to finally watch a UM team not drag ass with the direction of college football. At the end of 2013, all I could see was another year of "toughness" buzzwords followed up by Braxton Miller running past LBs and Green and Smith being stopped behind the line for 2 yards. I have guarded optimism that Nussmeier will be better and that the overall team will improve, but there are many scenarios under which last year's team wins 9-10 games, and them limping to 7-6 didn't inspire me much. All of the positives came from the offseason and guys being fired and recruits somewhat inexpecliably sticking around.
|1 day 21 hours ago||Because I saw an offense that||
Because I saw an offense that really could work against B1G defenses; I mean, Threet and Sheridan were your QBs and the offense still produced a decent rushing attack.
What I saw was an offense that confused good teams at least early on, and it felt like once they had proper talent in positions they'd be great. 2009 helped show the way, but I was happy to see 2008 show some potential.
|1 day 22 hours ago||2008 was a horrible year;||
2008 was a horrible year; nobody is arguing that. But looking at the record alone doesn't paint the whole picture, and at this point it is clear we are going to be arguing about different metrics. I'm fine with how I view the seasons, and you are apparently happy with how you do. That's great, and it's what makes fandom great. Personally, 2008 gave me hope; 2013 just sucked and nothing makes me think this year will be immensely better. And for all the talk about the bowl streak, Carr's 2007 team was a couple of plays away from not making a bowl either, at which point 2008's streak breaker wouldn't have mattered.
My point is that looking at 7 wins with a shitty team and no hope of getting much better is less encouraging to me than 3 wins but a new system that had potential. But again, you don't see it that way, and frankly I'm not going to win this argument with you.
|1 day 22 hours ago||I love posts like this, not||
I love posts like this, not just because they provide coherent, factually-accurate statements about the sorry state of last year's offensive system and, in particular, the line, but it also exposes what I hope is a rapidly-dying mindset in the fanbase that it's always the QBs fault when the team doesn't win. There's this disconnect where usually-intelligent individuals become mouth-breathing ESPN talking heads as soon as discussion of a team's "heart" and "leadership" come into question, and all of the biases and movie-fed schlock about "leaders of men" and "knowing how to win" rise up and block rational thought.
Gardner struggled last year and made some bad decisions, but the fact he played virtually the whole year despite getting absolutely demolished behind a crappy line and receiving virutally no solid coaching from grown-ass men paid to do that is f**king AMAZING. He may never be what some people want him to be, but by gawd Gardner doesn't deserve a fraction of the hate he receives, and I'm incredibly proud that he's going to get one more chance to impress people while wearing the UM jersey.
|1 day 22 hours ago||Seriously? Go find somewhere||
Seriously? Go find somewhere else to troll.
|1 day 22 hours ago||Thanks for sharing.||
Thanks for sharing.
|1 day 23 hours ago||I guess I'm less surprised||
I guess I'm less surprised than others. The defensive line was going to have rotation, and I still think guys like Canteen and Darboh will be seeing playing time early and often at WR. The RB is going to be by committee, and while Green is the nominal starter I could see Smith and Johnson getting good run. The offensive line is always going to be fluid, so I'm not too worked up.
The LBs are a bit surprising, but its early and the coaches might want to see how everyone looks in game speed before settling into a more consistent lineup.
Should be fun this Saturday.
|2 days 26 min ago||I absolutely agree. That's||
I absolutely agree. That's what drove me crazy when people just expected UM to roll out wins by showing up - maybe that was the case years ago when elite programs like UM had significantly more talent than the opposition, but that doesn't work anymore. Winning 9 games is hard, and Carr worked hard to get that team to that level. But yeah, it takes work to be that good consistently, and while I didn't love Carr by any means he certainly put that work in for most of his tenure.
UM will get good again, but it seems like a portion of the fanbase was shocked that UM had to work for wins like everyone else, and that was the part that has annoyed me for so long.
|2 days 39 min ago||It isn't myopic, because||
It isn't myopic, because there was sniping about Carr and negative recruiting going on well before 2008 with Michigan. The Horror did as much to damage UM's "brand" as anything that happened with RR; many great teams have had down years, but UM will forever be remembered as the top-5 team that blew it to an FCS squad. THAT's was the image of UM took a major hit. The only thing the infighting did was break the fake bubble of specialness certain segments of the fanbase held about UM, like how ND thinks they are morally superior because they are Catholic and have "higher" recruiting standards that are all fluff.
We heard about the bickering in 2008 because places like this blog were taking shape and the local media was on a witchhunt. But that could have happened many times before, and if memory serves me right guys like Moeller were basically run out of town with a similar "look at how screwed up HE is" tenor. RR may have been the most recent example, but media-based infighting and bitching is a time-honored tradition, and it happend at UM before and it will happen again.
|2 days 45 min ago||2008 had promise, 2009 felt||
2008 had promise, 2009 felt like progress despite the team basically starting freshmen at key positions, and man was that offense fun to watch. 2010 was depressing in some respects, but it was still a bowl game and an offense that everyone hoped would be better. And like 2013, you knew that one part of the team wasn't working (the defense) is part because of the coordinator, and had RR been kept around perhaps they would have made a change and we'd have optimism. I mean, basically that same defense turned into a very solid unit in 2011.
And yeah, Denard gave people a great deal of hope, as did the offensive fireworks.
|2 days 1 hour ago||I was less down about 2008||
I was less down about 2008 because you looked at that roster and you figured, maybe 7 wins if the defense played great. It didn't, and we see what happened. 2013 was just depressing - Toledo beat UM, but this team nearly lost to UConn AND Akron, and both took near-miracles to pull them off. They also couldn't run the ball at all; at least 2008 had the germs of a possible juggeernaut. Outside of Funchess, nothing looked great last year that seemed like it could make a step forward this year to elite status.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Great write-up. Absolutely||
Great write-up. Absolutely how I felt about 2013, and though I am optimistic about 2014, I still see it as a long slog back to competence.
This is the money quote to me:
I've pointed this out before,and inevitably people talk about Bo and the "Michigan Man" meme that lost a bunch of Rose Bowls but at least was a national force. But football of the 80s and 90s is dead, and acting like you can recapture that glory through grit and platitudes is why there are so many Romans, Prussians, and every other fallen dynasty walking around the streets of A2. UM is a shiny mid-major right now, and outside of the random 2006 or 2011 season they have been that way for over a decade. I personally think Hoke is going to be fine as a HC, and his recruiting will make UM better by sheer intertia. But I can't wait for people that still worship at the altar of a faux bygone era quiet down.
|2 days 1 hour ago||2008 was expected given the||
2008 was expected given the turmoil, and 2007 had The Horror but also had a bowl win and a decent conference record. 2008 had promise and the potential for the future; 2013 was year 3 of another rebuilding process that somehow produced the worst rushing stats in the recent history of UM sports and, outside of a win against ND and a near-win against OSU, nothing resmbling a compelling victory. Hell, at least 2008 had the comeback over Wisconsin.
2013 was the worst because despite slamming UM's hand in the doorjam for 2 years with Borges and the prehistoric view of the way the game is played now, they just swung that door harder.
|2 days 2 hours ago||He was also the only reason||
He was also the only reason UM kept it close against OSU and beat ND. And for all the complaints about his performance against Akron and UConn, he had no running game (I mean, he recorded 103 yards of UM's total of 177 against Akron), was under pressure because the line couldn't block, and last I checked wasn't the reason Akron racked up 418 yards on offense. He didn't have a great year overall, but so much of that was due to the whole team being bad that to point at him and say it was his fault is just silly.
|2 days 2 hours ago||You mean, like every QB?||
You mean, like every QB? Chad Henne struggled under pressure, and he had a great line and talent at the skill positions. Peyton Manning was MVP last year and had a HORRIBLE performance in the Super Bowl because the Seahawks were able to pressure him all day.
I hate this mindless argument that when a QB struggles it is because of some moral or intellectual failure and not, you know, part of the game of football where the defense tries to screw up the offense. I mean, UM plays defense; do you think every INT and fumble caused by the defense is because the opposing team is full of idiots who cower under their seats and can't "handle the pressure"?
|2 days 2 hours ago||The OC has had a great deal||
The OC has had a great deal of experience working with mobile QBs throughout his various coaching tenures, and they all seemed to benefit from him. The only "old school" argument I hear from people are those who (as you noted about yourself) don't like Gardner at QB because he doesn't fit their ideal starter at UM, not because he is somehow a worse QB than similar players in the past.
Morris isn't ready, and while he should be a nice backup him looking okay in a contrived practice scenario against large swaths of the second unit should in no way diminish the fact that Devin Gardner led the conference in passing last year and had, statistically, one of the more impressive seasons in UM history.
If Morris is starting by the end of the B1G season and it isn't because Gardner is injured, UM is in trouble.
|3 days 18 hours ago||UM is gonna roll that OOC||
UM is gonna roll that OOC schedule. I don't think Hoke is the type of guy to run up the score, but I'd love it if they blew App St. out of the stadium by 30 at halftime.
|3 days 20 hours ago||This is more a question about||
This is more a question about the challenge than anything related to Brandon - for the record, good for him trying to raise awareness. ALS, like other neuromuscular diseases, is incredibly traumatic for all involved, and I'm happy this movement is bringing them money.
That said, with the challenge, do the people who dumb ice on their head also donate, or is it only the "challengers" who don't follow up with the bucket? I was never challenged; I just gave money because it's a good cause. But I read the Vice article and was surprised that not everybody gave money to the same degree.
|3 days 20 hours ago||I'm disappointed in the low level of snark||
I'm disappointed in the low level of snark displayed so far.
|5 days 17 hours ago||tl;tp||
too long; too pretentious.
Seriously, these types of anonymous "true stories" that get posted on message boards drive me crazy, as all they tend to be are fictions that play upon the biases of the reader. Students at Notre Dame want to think they are f**king geniuses because they go to this "prestigious" school and, either intentionally or subconsciously, look down on everyone else because it makes them feel even more special. The fact they are not, that they are one of thousands of similar, usually somewhat-privileged Catholic students, nags at them and drives them to accept this myth even more dogmatically.
This same sentiment applies at most schools, and that includes UM. For example, I once was sitting at La Guardia waiting for a flight and heard a couple of good ol' boys talk up how great Ole Miss is and how dumb everyone from Miss. St. is, how Mississippi lets in only the best and Miss. St. is full of invalids. Mind you, they are talking about a school ranked #150th in America, which is below a whole mess of schools you wouldn't think are that great including Miss. St. But to listen to these guys, Ole Miss is the greatest and embodies all that is great at about Mississippi.
My point is that everyone wants to think their life is special, and a major part of that perception is based on academics. I could have written this story about Notre Dame for all they know, and its just generic enough that you can believe it without it actually having to contain useful facts; the reader naturally fills in the details. The dig at the Big 10 schools was a bonus, as everoyne in B1G is a mouth-breathing farm hick.
To the OP of the article - congrats, you have a thesaurus and could do a search on Lexis/Nexis back in 1998. Maybe you can one day figure out how to go back in time and give yourself a slap on the back and a BJ to boot for being oh so smart and better than everyone else.
|5 days 18 hours ago||He's a homer, but he's OUR||
He's a homer, but he's OUR homer.
|5 days 19 hours ago||Yeah, I think there is a||
Yeah, I think there is a subset of people who would love to see Harbaugh at UM, but I'm not one of them. The guy is kind of a jerk, and not the type of jerk who apparently is still tolerable because he wins. He's better in the pros, and considering the number of veiled shots he's made at UM I don't think it would be a good match.