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|46 weeks 3 days ago||I don't particularly||
I don't particularly disagree, just think you are overstating it. Yes, Beilein is good at identifying kids who can immediately come in and provide non-disaster minutes.
Out of those late adds, excluding Caris, only MAAR started on a tournament team, and he had the tenth highest efficiency and usage rate on a team that was in a play-in game. I also don't know yet whether any of those players are going to produce beyond their limitations.
Did Beilein correctly identify diamonds in the rough, or did most staffs at schools of Michigan's resources and regard correctly manage their roster so that they didn't need to use up a multi-year roster spot on guys like Dawkins and Spike.
|46 weeks 3 days ago||There is, obviously, another||
There is, obviously, another way to look at this.
Caris Levert is a huge success story. No need to debate that.
On the other hand, Dawkins, MAAR, and Spike as underclassmen all had the kinda same profile:
1) Older players - two were from prep programs, and the other was literally the oldest he could be and still be in his graduating class - and already very developed for their class.
2) Thrust into larger than optimal roles on mediocre teams because of a badly mismanaged roster. Spike, for all his dramatics and NCG performance, was below average efficiency and scoring 2.6 PPG before being forced to become the leader of the team his junior year when he was far more suited to a bench/role player spot.
3) Generally lowly recruited because of being very limited players. So far moments of appearing to rise above those limitations have not come to fruition.
|1 year 1 day ago||LOL. "Athletes don't think||
LOL. "Athletes don't think like that". Glad you are there to clarify how all athletes think.
And they all would have to sit out a year and waste half of that eligibility.
|1 year 1 day ago||First off, the vast majority||
First off, the vast majority of Alabama's medical hardship guys did not publicly dispute them. It was still assumed that when Alabama was oversigned come signing day and non-contributors started dropping, that it was processing. People are just applying the same standard of doubt.
Second, you say Michigan isn't Alabama until they are publicly disputed, then you (very oddly) dismiss the guy who publicly disputed his medical hardship from Michigan.
|1 year 1 day ago||They are going into their||
They are going into their senior year at Michigan, would likely transfer to a less prestigious academic school, and they would have to sit out a year.
If given a choice of staying at Michigan and not playing or attempting to find playing time elsewhere, they very likely made a wise decision.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||LOL 1) Those quotes pretty||
1) Those quotes pretty definitively settle the discussion: It was Beilein that pushed Max out the door, not the other way around.
2) Beilein pushing him out the door in order to get Wilson, Wagner, and Doyle - all who were ineffectual and played extremely limited minutes anyways - is not a good argument for Beilein's coaching ability.
Are you arguing with him or just agreeing in an insulting manner.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||It would matter as Michigan||
It would matter as Michigan is currently a few scholarships over the limit.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||You should break that down a||
You should break that down a little bit.
The four games he missed they were 3-1 with a loss at Iowa.
The four games you are talking about that he was in the roster, they were 1-3 with losses to Iowa, Nebraska, and Wisconsin and a win against Maryland. In those games he averaged 20pts, 8reb, and 6assts.
So basically, the games you picked actually support the idea that having your best guy playing at a high level necessarily makes a big difference.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Two points: 1) One mid first||
1) One mid first round pick on the roster and a bunch of guys that aren't even sniffing the draft is pretty weak "NBA talent". Its made even worse that that one guy is the last remnants of the 2012 class and none of the classes since look to have NBA players in them.
2) I would bet that the people who are saying that Beilein must recruit better and get NBA talent aren't that satisfied by 8/9 seed, injury-free, best case scenarios.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||This team kinda looked like a||
This team kinda looked like a bubble team when Caris was on the floor for the first 14 games. Let's quantify some things:
I think with Levert, Michigan would probably be 22-9 and likely a middling eight seed with very little chance of advancing past the second round. I think we would have spent most of the year on the good side of the bubble, and would finish the year looking like a bubble team next season.
That isn't really a "huge difference" to me.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Dead period starts on NSD||
Dead period starts on NSD though. Hard to form the relationships with the coaches.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||He plays football in class 7a||
He plays football in class 7a in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale suburbs. In the vacinity of Pembroke Pines, Hollywood, and Plantation.
You all act like he was playing in South Dakota.
The staffs at Temple, Syracuse, and Illinois all managed to find Weaver and offer him before Michigan did. Then Weaver showed a lot of improvement on his tape, and more teams offered.
Michigan was not a necessary component in this.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||A bigger problem than||
A bigger problem than recruiting classes filling up is that I think the next few months are a dead period. Not a whole lot a kid can do to decide on a school.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Fair enough. That would be||
Fair enough. That would be better that what I said.
I don't think those throwing jabs have been convinced that Swenson's side is untrue yet, nor do I think most will get this message.
The choir is sure digging it though.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Or its just a movie quote.||
Or its just a movie quote.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||I'm thinking that he is just||
I'm thinking that he is just quoting a movie he likes and not taking a shot at a high school kid on twitter.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||I don't know if Enis really||
I don't know if Enis really believed that or not, but I don't think the coaching staff would have honored his commitment. They weren't scheduling his official either.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Its not all the words of one||
Its not all the words of one side.
I'm comparing the words of both sides with the known circumstances and past relevant evidence.
If Swenson had said nothing about it, and someone said:
"Oh well Swenson refused to camp for the coaches because he knew he had slacked off and wasn't any good, and the coaches told him he no longer had a spot back in the fall but he did nothing about it until two weeks before signing day"
I would be very incredulous of that story.
For the record, I'm incredulous that Swenson knew nothing about his scholarship being in jeopardy, because it wasn't a well kept secret.
But after so many recruits have come out and said that they didn't have much contact with teh staff and then decommitted, I find it easy to believe that the staff kinda left an overly naive and loyal kid in a difficult spot. I mean, Sam Webb and John U Bacon have kinda confirmed that the staff didn't actually say "You don't have a spot" until it was way too late.
The only question left for me is: Was the staff negligent with good intentions (made a mistake letting the kid down easy), or negligent with bad intentions (not being explicit with the kid until they knew they didn't have the spots).
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Because similar info has come||
Because similar info has come from multiple recruits with no reason to lie, and I find it hard to believe that Swenson was told all of this and decided "I'll just wait until my recruitment is completely fucked and then make a big stink."
Plus the story about Swenson says things about him that the author can't possibly know. How does the author know why Swenson didn't work out for the coaches over the summer?
I'm willing to believe that the coaching staff dropped subtle hints that he should start looking around (although it seems that they more often just don't contact the recruit), and that Swenson naively waited and hoped that everything would just work out.
I find the story that Swenson was aware that he wasn't good enough so he avoided working out for the coaches, and then was told in the fall that he didn't have actually have a spot to be less believable than Swenson's.
I also find it fairly unbecoming that not only is the kid without a spot two weeks before signing day, but that someone is leaking out stories about him that make him look like shit.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||My exact words: There is a||
My exact words:
There is a pretty well established history of Harbaugh and staff simply cutting off communication with recruits, rather than explicitly telling them what is going on.
I never said anything about pulling his offer.
Do you think they would have honored Enis' commitment if he hadn't decommitted?
|1 year 9 weeks ago||You are right. No one said||
You are right. No one said "lazy". They said "complacent with his work ethic".
And they didn't say he is lying, they are just saying that everything he has said about his communication with the coaches is untrue.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Like I said, all of those||
Like I said, all of those guys had very limited contact with the coaches and ultimately got the message that they should commit elsewhere. The difference between them and Swenson is that Swenson wouldn't budge until the coaches told him explicitly.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Why are you calling them the||
Why are you calling them the "facts"?
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Swenson said he was scheduled||
Swenson said he was scheduled for his official visit Jan.15 and that Michigan postponed it a week. When he hadn’t heard the details about this coming weekend, he called the U-M staff to find out what was happening.
“They said, ‘You’re not going to come up anymore,’” Swenson said. “That’s pretty much all that happened in that phone call. We didn’t talk that much longer.”
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Kiante Enis in November: "I||
Kiante Enis in November:
"I haven't had real solid contact with Michigan. Once a month maybe. I mean I'm still pretty solid though. I don't plan on decommitting at all really, I just haven't had much contact with them."
Now he has decommited while only having visited Indiana and an upcoming visit to Miami (NTM).
|1 year 9 weeks ago||I thought it extreme because||
I thought it extreme because it pretty much stated that Swenson was completely aware he sucked and avoided the coaching staff and then lied about it to everyone.
It would be hard to paint Swenson in a more negative light, given the known circumstances.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Per Swenson and his coach,||
Per Swenson and his coach, they had a scheduled official.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||That seems to be a stretch.||
That seems to be a stretch. Even if Swenson literally thought "Oh man, I suck now. I better not let the coaches know it", how would anyone but Swenson know that?
|1 year 9 weeks ago||I did read it again. This||
I did read it again.
This article states that the coaching staff made the decision in the fall because Swenson was lazy, told Swenson, and that Swenson handled that information by fucking himself over.
That does not jive with what Sam Webb said or what we have heard from other recruits.
That the coaching staff informed Swenson that he didn't have an offer and would have to walk on very recently seems pretty established at this point.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||"Blunt" doesn't necessarily||
"Blunt" doesn't necessarily mean actually communicating with a kid: