|2 hours 12 min ago||But what do the sinks say?||
But what do the sinks say?
|17 hours 51 min ago||No, I'm actually robot||
No, I'm actually robot
|1 day 2 hours ago||I remember being furious with Ecker at the time||
What the hell was he thinking? He didn't even ATTEMPT to keep the play alive, he just dove out of bounds.
|1 day 4 hours ago||Not surprised by this at all if true||
But I wonder, if we are to believe you are so well-informed, why did you believe this past Monday would be the day, when virtually all the evidence indicated that the decision would not be made until after the NFL season was over?
|1 day 4 hours ago||Not to mention the barbarism of using two spaces after sentences||
Ugh. This isn't Columbus. This is a civilized community, people.
|2 days 19 hours ago||Um I don't think so||
he may just decide he prefers the NFL. It would be a shame in my opinion, given that if he restores the program he'd have a statue next to his idol, Bo. But in the end it's Harbaugh's decision.
|2 days 21 hours ago||If it doesn't happen, I'm heading to my bunker||
|3 days 1 hour ago||So if Jim Harbaugh elects to stay in the NFL||
what do we do to Gregg Henson/Jeff Moss/Steve Lorenz?
|3 days 15 hours ago||Remember when Hoke had turned the tide of the rivalry?||
Nothing has even happened yet this time and people are claiming that we are saved and back to the top.
I know the Hoke comment was mostly treated as a joke initially but people really did start believing it after he beat OSU his first year. Everyone was claiming that Hoke's recruiting would ultimately destroy Dantonio and that OSU was just a tire fire (that was before the Urban hire but then even after the Urban hire people laughed and made comments like "wow good job hiring a coach Michigan has never lost to"). Then some random paper made rankings of Big 10 coaches and Hoke was like 4th behind Urban, Dantonio, and Bielema, and some here had the audacity to claim that Hoke would eventually beat them all...
Sorry I have to do this but seriously a reality check is in order. Last I checked Harbaugh is not our coach and Michigan is 2-6 against Dantonio and 0-3 against Meyer (1-3 if you count the Florida game...)
|3 days 15 hours ago||Agh but none of this has happened yet! Except Herman||
and if we don't get Harbaugh we may be worse off for that, having lost a good backup option...
|3 days 15 hours ago||Nothing has even happened yet||
and we are talking about "seismic" shifts...
|3 days 18 hours ago||When it's official Harbaugh is staying in the NFL||
we'll talk about which of these stupid threads jinxed it, and how many decades it will take before we beat OSU again.
Last I checked Harbaugh is not the coach yet. All that has happened in the past day is that some NFL guys who had their heads in the sand finally acknowledged that Harbaugh was giving Michigan "some thought." Also some mysterious Twitter user who everyone was lambasting as a fraud just a few days ago has a thread with ~200 replies.
|4 days 17 min ago||Hey I'm normally pretty optimistic about stuff||
except when it comes to Michigan football. I became a concious fan in 2001. Michigan has gone 2-12 against OSU during that stretch. I became a "diehard" in 2009. Michigan has beaten MSU just once since then.
This is just what I have come to expect. As an undergrad student and grad student I feel lucky to have seen one victory each over OSU and MSU in 6 years, seeing as many of those who came before me saw just one. Even then, Michigan won those games by the skin of their teeth against "down-year" rival teams.
I was in seventh grade for Michigan's last great victory over OSU.
|4 days 48 min ago||My prediction on what will happen?||
It will look like it's happening all the way to December 29, at which point Harbaugh schedules a press conference. All the insiders say it's happening and Brian and Sam Webb finally cave and announce that it is. Two hours before the press conference some no name NFL guy tweets that a Godfather offer has been made from the Falcons or some other random NFL team. The press conference is cancelled half an hour before. The next morning it is announced JH is staying in the NFL. Mgoblog and the city of Ann Arbor erupt in flames.
|4 days 57 min ago||I still have not||
The only way I will is if Jim Harbaugh himself utters the words "I will be the next coach at the University of Michigan" or something to that effect.
|4 days 4 hours ago||If so, that doesn't bode well||
He will be getting a flurry of NFL offers pretty soon that he hasn't seen before...
|4 days 16 hours ago||You might want to get out more often OP. Just sayin'||
|5 days 3 hours ago||To say the "entire" fanbase wanted it is a bit extreme||
I'd guess most U-M fans were hardly aware of his wrongdoings. The crusade against Brandon, while righteous, was spearheaded by mgoblog, which still represents a minority of those who call themselves Michigan fans.
That being said, the tidal wave of bad press was surely getting to be overwhelming and the student outcries were strong. So there was really no other option.
|5 days 4 hours ago||talk about an argument to the extreme...||
The point is the guy was already here for three and a half years. U-M already put a major investment into him and now he's going to be thrown out on the street
|5 days 6 hours ago||This is part of the concern I have w/ the Frank Clark situation||
Not that he shouldn't have been kicked off the team and punished, but after he gets out of prison what's going to happen to him I wonder? Has he been expelled? Will he ever get a degree? Obviously his girlfriend is the victim here but what about the future? I don't think it's inconceivable that if left on his own the cycle will just be perpetuated and more people will suffer in the future just so that here in the present day we can entertain the belief that justice has been served.
|5 days 6 hours ago||There already is a different standard though||
a lot of these guys wouldn't have the slightest chance of attending college if they weren't playing football.
|5 days 16 hours ago||Sadly if anything it worsens our chances I think||
Harbaugh will want to prove this season's failures are just an aberration.
|6 days 4 hours ago||My prediction for this game is Harbaugh||
Let's be honest though we're going to need something to look forward to in the spring if this keeps up...
|6 days 14 hours ago||since you have amended your wrongs||
you will be spared the justice of the mgoblog gods. This time.
|6 days 15 hours ago||OP SUCKS! YOUR THREAD IS BAD, AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD||
All jokes aside I think this is a fine topic and a relief from the endless chatsports threads we had earlier. Alas, I can't comment much since I live a stone's throw from the heart of it all and have seldom been in touch with people over the last month who aren't Michigan fans but still care about sports to be plugged in on the situation.
|6 days 15 hours ago||On a side note though||
This is decidedly not off-topic, and for that you should be chastised.
|6 days 15 hours ago||Sure, it's semantics||
But Brian doesn't usually entertain bullshitters, so it's pretty significant that he's come out in support of this guy on Twitter and given him front page blog coverage twice.
|6 days 15 hours ago||Borges was hit or miss||
His gameplans ranged from brilliant (OSU 2013) to ludicrous (Iowa 2011). With Nuss, it was nothing but "miss" after Appalachain State.
Still, the Borges opposition was because no one wanted to believe that it was Hoke himself who was incompetent. The funny thing is, I do actually buy into the theory that Hoke wanted to retain Borges after 2013 but Brandon forced him to switch.
|6 days 15 hours ago||embed|
|6 days 17 hours ago||This would make sense||
I don't know how Brian or anyone else would verify it but it's definitely a possibility.
|6 days 17 hours ago||Me too||
Just who are you, not TOM BRADY!? How do I know you aren't stalking me this very minute?
|6 days 17 hours ago||Brian was asked directly on Twitter||
whether he believed Thosewhostay7's reports to be legit. He said he did.
|6 days 17 hours ago||You are wrong. Brian has vouched for him explicitly on Twitter.||
|6 days 17 hours ago||There is a theory that he may be directly connected to the team||
E.g. grad assistant, equipment manager, etc. There are some who suggested he may even be an athlete but the athletes themselves are not usually so reserved about keeping their identities hidden, and their twitter handles are basically their actual names.
The thing is, Brian is not usually so leniant with these kind of characters, which suggests to me there is something else in play that we are not aware of and that the players involved want to keep hidden. Brian is usually quite adamant that the fans not directly try to interact with recruits, yet Thosewhostay7 has done this on many occasions. Is it possible Brian himself has private messaged Thosewhostay7 or found some other way to verify his identity secondhand?
Also, does anyone know where Thosewhostay7 claimed that his uncle was high school friends with David Dunn and is getting info that way? I can't find it in his twitter feed. I ask this because it was mentioned before that certain former U-M athletes are currently using AthletesFirst and are potentially connected to people now work for the team/AD at Michigan.
|6 days 17 hours ago||Har||
|6 days 17 hours ago||You're going to be deleted||
But if not I'd say it's because the info he's giving is consistent with other reports Brian has heard. E.g. Schefter's fb message today was pretty lockstep with Thosewhostay7's "text" from yesterday.
|6 days 18 hours ago||Not likely||
The credibility of thosewhostay7 is uncertain but he has not been outed as a hack yet. Brian believes the guy may be legit and it was likely our Dear Leader himself who deleted your thread.
Also Ace Williams was known for being a raving lunatic and thosewhostay7's twitter timeline suggests he's pretty temperate
|6 days 18 hours ago||What if it's Jim Harbaugh?||
What if it's Jim Harbaugh?
|6 days 18 hours ago||I really think if we put our minds to it we can make it to 10||
I really think if we put our minds to it we can make it to 10
|6 days 19 hours ago||ib4d||
|6 days 20 hours ago||First prize is a Cadillac Eldorado||
Second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives.
And third prize is you're fired.
|6 days 20 hours ago||Whittingham has done markedly worse than Rich Rod||
in each of his first three seasons in the Pac12. He is 0-3 against RR too.
I do think he is probably the most realistic candidate at this point though.
|6 days 20 hours ago||The alumni base and U-M admins were happy with Hoke||
that turned out really well.
|6 days 20 hours ago||Sorry you have to learn the hard way like everyone else||
but chatsports is verboten around these parts.
Would be nice if Jim came home, but chatsports isn't going to be the ones to break the news.
|6 days 20 hours ago||Absolutely not||
The current team has loads of talent. Mediocre coaches have done far more with far less. The expectations are: contend for the division title by the second or third year (i.e. be in the hunt until the OSU game), beat OSU and MSU once out of the first three years, don't be in a downward trajectory by the third year. Rich Rod wouldn't have been fired had he not gone 0-6 against MSU/OSU. Hoke wouldn't have been fired had he not won fewer games in each of his last three years.
Fan sentiment will have zero impact on the coach's performance. This is what I hate about the Rich Rod debate. I do think we should have given Rich Rod another year if only because the only alternative was Hoke (Harbaugh was and is an NFL guy). But the reason Rich Rod's defenses sucked is NOT because Justin Boren transferred to OSU.
|6 days 21 hours ago||$8M/year for Mullen?||
Are you on acid?
|6 days 23 hours ago||dammit this is 100% my interpretation too||
It's not happening. And it's gonna be an absolute shitshow when it plays out that way
|1 week 1 hour ago||If I had a dime for every anecdotal "It's Happening" story||
I could pay for Harbaugh's contract myself!
Sadly the friend-of-a-friend said such-and-such rumors give me no confidence. I will believe It's Happening only when Jim Harbaugh himself utters the words "I will be the next coach at the University of Michigan" or something to that effect.
|1 week 1 hour ago||Penn State 2013 is the worst meltdown I've seen...||
Safte to say the "Harbaugh-to-Raiders" cataclysm will be orders of magnitude worse. Hard to fathom.
|1 week 2 hours ago||mgoblog shortly after Harbaugh says he's headed to the Raiders|
|1 week 3 hours ago||Oh the humanity...||
Granted, Colin Cowherd's "The Herd" is basically what would happen if Ace Williams was suddenly, inexplicably given a radio show by ESPN.
|1 week 15 hours ago||I'm Harbaugh's agent himself||
I have a written copy of the Michigan contract with Jim's signature right there at the bottom!
I could tweet a pic of it out right now but I'm gonna wait until Dec. 29 just to piss you mofos off.
|1 week 15 hours ago||Fire can't melt steel!||
There were all running towards the grassy knoll!
|1 week 15 hours ago||It goes back farther?||
It goes back farther? Who are the others who have been lost to us?
|1 week 16 hours ago||Actually you'd he'd have to be out of HS at this point...||
Maybe he is Peter pan? Or just dumb and can't graduate.
|1 week 16 hours ago||Doubtful||
Not clear why Brian gave the nod of support initially but I suspect we get at least get a semi-retraction tomorrow in searchbits XXI. It was almost certainly Brian himself who nuked the thread earlier. Not easy to both stay at the cutting edge and filter through the endless crap in the age of instant information dissemination.
|1 week 16 hours ago||I'm 99.9% certain that was tongue in cheek||
pretty sure it is strongly suspected that Bagheera = Baloo = LordGratham?
|1 week 17 hours ago||Yes chatsports is Ace Williams||
He is apparently a 17-year-old troll. Much unlike Drew Sharp, who is a well-respected journalist for that esteemed paper, the Detroit Free Press.
|1 week 17 hours ago||The ultimate twist||
I like it
|1 week 17 hours ago||Tell me about it||
this is exactly the way I feel. Yesterday Brian cites the guy saying he seems legit. Today the guy tweets a supposed text from his uncle, who is allegedly getting updates from Harbaugh's agent. Someone makes a thread about it and it's nuked within 20 minutes.
The smell test says the guy is full of it imo. Looking at his timeline he appears to be a casual fan. Who suddenly has a very key connection at the most opportune time possible.
|1 week 17 hours ago||You've been here since 2008||
and you post this link? Am I missing a joke here or something?
|1 week 17 hours ago||Here is a visual update of the situation||
|1 week 17 hours ago||Someone fill me in on what happened to the thosewhostay7 thread||
is the guy a fraud or no?
|1 week 17 hours ago||so wth happened with the ThoseWhoStay7 thread?||
I seemed to have missed why it was deleted. Yesterday Brian is citing the guy as a legit source and less than an hour ago the guy tweets an alleged text from his contact. Someone makes a thread of it, I saw it on the board, but it got nuked up clicking. Twitter is
Is the guy a fraud?
|1 week 18 hours ago||I agree I thought it was fantastic||
I agree I thought it was fantastic. Solid content interspersed with light humor much like his writing has always been.
|1 week 21 hours ago||While that might be true||
if you're going to make a claim that goes counter to about a hundred reports from just yesterday, you gotta do better than "sources."
I mean his bunghole is a source. Of crap.
|1 week 22 hours ago||Hes sites sources though||
Sources. You can't argue with that.
|1 week 22 hours ago||Nonsense. Harbaughcapella is the best||
Nonsense. Harbaughcapella is the best
|1 week 23 hours ago||No. Even if the OP didn't mean poorly||
this is not an okay way to express whatever sentiment is intended.
|1 week 23 hours ago||not okay man|
|1 week 23 hours ago||If it does turn out that he's just stringing us along||
the meltdown on this blog will be truly apocalyptic. Penn State 2013 will seem like a Friday posbang thread in comparison.
|1 week 23 hours ago||but also that he intends to coach out his contract...||
I mean there are many ways to interpret that but argh this is torture
|1 week 23 hours ago||"As you know I only talk||
"As you know I only talk about the job that I have" Yesss perfect response
but then when asked about coaching out his contract he says "yeah" nooooo what does this mean?
He did cough when he said "yeah" anyone else notice that did you?!
|1 week 1 day ago||I interpreted LordGrantham's comment to be tongue-in-cheek||
Or is it Baloo? Hard to keep track of everyone these days...
|1 week 1 day ago||After the way this coaching search has gone||
I'm almost prepared to ignore the NFL even more than I do now. I don't know how you decrease from a 0% investment but I will find a way. Actively tell others to stop watching the NFL?
|1 week 1 day ago||He mentioned Mullen sure||
but it's probably mostly a guess and wishful thinking on Brian's part. There is nothing substantive to back it up and there won't be until there is a definitive answer on Harbaugh. Just a few days ago Brian was 100% certain that Les Miles was the "worst-case scenario" and 48 hours later that's apparently off the table.
I would be all for Mullen if Harbaugh turns down the offer but there are a couple things that indicate it's unlikely. Mullen has given no indication he wants to leave and wasn't a player in the Florida and Nebraska jobs at all. I know there is alleged animosity with Florida, but Mullen himself was quoted as saying it would be a "lateral move" indicating he is determined to act as if Mississippi State is a premiere program in all this drama.
In addition, Michigan was unfortunately given a bad taste of the spread offense experience the first time around, and no doubt there would be backlash if Mullen was brought in. The admins are not going to want that to happen.
|1 week 1 day ago||That's what 7 years of misery will do||
Michigan fans sound desparate because they are. Michigan football has sucked pretty dang hard since Bo died. They are 2-12 against OSU in the past 14 years and even 1-6 against MSU. The legacy Bo established is fading fast. If Harbaugh is off the table, for all we know the next best option is either known mediocrity (Schiano, Addazio) or... umm... I really don't know what else. Bill Sheridan? Teryl Austin? The program needs a Renaissance and everyone is hoping that's what Jim Harbaugh can provide.
But the truth is that the average fan has no connection to this search and their actions/attidues are completely irrelevant. This saga is about Jim Harbaugh and Jim Hackett.
|1 week 1 day ago||Can we not bring this up?||
This discussion will not end well...
Bottom line, it's Harbaugh's life and Harbaugh's choice. If he turns Michigan down, horrible people will act horribly and probably send hate mail etc. (certainly would have happened if Urban had turned down OSU). It doesn't lessen his great accomplishments here and in the NFL.
That being said he will be a deity if he comes.
|1 week 1 day ago||I didn't take 280 but I know many people who did...||
As you say the opinions vary quite a bit but they average out to "it's hard but managable." If you want to be a CS major you will take 281 after 280, and more often than not people think 281 is the significantly harder course. So consider that in the future you may be in this situation again but with a much more "killer" course. More often than not 280 is the litnus test for 281 (moreso than 183 being the litnus test for 280).
Imo if you don't have many other really time consuming obligations I'd say it's managable and I know people who have managed similar class schedules. If you're really concerned about GPA (meaning basically if you want to do med school or be a Rhodes Scholar, etc.) you might consider trying to spread your curriculum out a little more but in the end it's up to you. I would highly encourage the CS minor, as I took 183 towards the end of my curriculum and loved it; I'm a grad student in the sciences and incorporate a significant amount of coding into my research and wish that I had had the time and schedule spaace to take 280/281.
Either way don't fret over it too much, it'll work itself out in the end :)
|1 week 1 day ago||1. Harbaugh could actually come||
2. This thread is taken down
3. This thread is put back up IF Harbaugh actually comes here
I will believe it when I see Jim Harbaugh himself speak the words "I am leaving the 49ers to coach the Michigan Wolverines" or something to that effect.
|1 week 2 days ago||At Stanford and Cal||
Nobel Prize winners are honored at the games. The thing is, as you mentioned, Michigan does this at every timeout, and you're not exactly going to have enough Nobel winners for that even if you're Harvard or Trinity College. A big issue is recognizability. Consider that being inducted into the National Academy of Sciences is a huuuge deal in the academic world, but the average fan probably doesn't know or care about the NAS. On the other hand, literally everyone knows about the NFL and the Olympics...
I do think this is a great idea though and could potentially even improve the public's poor awareness of academic professionalism.
|1 week 2 days ago||It's kinda crazy to think about||
but honestly there is no way Dave Brandon would have been removed without the protest in front of the president's house and of couse the email story. Brian/mgoblog is a force to be reckoned with.
|1 week 2 days ago||Plan B = Seppoku||
Michigan stadium is demolished and the football program is disbanded. Schembechler hall is turned into a study lounge.
|1 week 2 days ago||He's undefeated in the Big House! (2-0)||
Although he's also 0-3 against Rich Rod...
|1 week 2 days ago||Not saying Michigan will get any of those guys||
but why did Rich Rod leave West Virginia? Why did Beilema leave Wisconsin?
|1 week 2 days ago||Kyle Whittingham?||
I maintain he is the only thing standing between Michigan and Schiano/Addazio.
|1 week 2 days ago||Not that I'm taking the opposite stance||
but letting players take money from outside sources brings about 50 new layers of regulations, like most other major overhauls that have been suggested. The SEC bag men will come out of the shadows and start making deals with recruits for hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars.
The only course of action that doesn't just kick the can further down the road is to abolish the NCAA and establish a minor league organization of power 5 schools, with the football and basketball teams becoming separate entities from the school, connected in name only. Athletes sign contracts instead of scholarships. Money is funneled towards players and away from Taj Mahal track & field/volleyball/lacrosse facilities and scholarships. The football and basketball teams donate revenue back to the University in exchange for using the University's name. The winners are the superstar high school footballers, the losers are athletes from non-revenue sports.
|1 week 3 days ago||He is waiting because he thinks he will get more retweets||
if he announces tomorrow morning. If he announces now it could die overnight.
|1 week 3 days ago||Well, almost||
I was thinking the same thing, but then I realized that unlike when I was 5, I foresee the possiblity that I wake up in the morning and I find out that Santa is dead and all the toys in the world have been incinerated. So not quite the same...
|1 week 3 days ago||Well the first time around||
Michigan did hire one of the hottest coaches in the country who was allegedly Alabama's #1 choice before Saban.
|1 week 3 days ago||Based on their twitter feeds||
Based on their twitter feeds this appears to be what happened
|1 week 3 days ago||Looking closer, the source appears to be Greg Henson fluff||
|1 week 3 days ago||Oh please don't even joke about this||
I still have nightmares
|1 week 3 days ago||I know what would happen||
|1 week 3 days ago||Okay I'll give you credit||
you managed to come up with a worse scenario than Schiano. And I have Schiano below "crowd-souched coaching via Twitter".
Still better than Addazio though imo
|1 week 3 days ago||If Lorenz is right||
the "worst case scenario" is a lot more terrible than Brian or most of the others here assume. A domino effect, whereby Harbaugh turns us down - followed by Miles, Mullen, and Mora all choosing to stay put - would not surprise me. Stoops was never a likely candidate to begin with, nor is Gundy. The admins would turn their noses at Beilema, and Cutcliffe allegedly is already out (and old). Narduzzi is determined to die as Dantonio's DC, so the only thing standing between us and a Schiano/Addazio apocalypse is... Kyle Whittingham?
|1 week 3 days ago||Although I missed the live action||
this was a great idea. Very informative and entertaining. Thanks Brian!
|1 week 5 days ago||actually I'm pretty sure Manwe acted alone on this one||
So if you've got a gripe take it to Taniquetil
|1 week 5 days ago||At least then there was hope||
if we hire Schiano or something it could be much worse
|1 week 5 days ago||Not sure where your optimism about 2015 is coming from||
we all begged for 2013 to be over last year (despite nearly winning the national championship in basketball) but 2014 was undeniably worse. I would be optimistic if December 31, 2013 is followed by January 1, 1997, but this 'aint the 90s anymore...
|1 week 5 days ago||Well Bielein is great at developing under the radar guys||
so.. we'll see? I mean truthfully it's hard to not trust Bielein at this point but when the rest of the top programs out there are raking in 5 stars and Michigan is sitting on nothing... well I'm not resting easy
|1 week 5 days ago||They are already fighting an uphill battle||
it's going to be an ugly season most likely
|1 week 5 days ago||Good thing we have a great fresh crop of new recruits coming in||
|1 week 5 days ago||softball baby||
8 straight B1G championships
|1 week 5 days ago||Which will happen first||
Army beats Navy or Michigan beats OSU?
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Maybe we're just a softball||
Maybe we're just a softball school?
|2 weeks 4 days ago||This coaching search will be||
This coaching search will be the death of me
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Wow||
Game over then. He's headed to Oakland. I wonder what the hell happened exactly.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||As far as I'm concerned it's already been a long month||
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I wouldn't call it giving up in the least bit||
He can remain in the NFL and win a Super Bowl like his brother, but then what?
Or he can return to his alma mater and restore the legacy of his former coach and mentor. Ushering in a Michigan football Renaissance and a new age of glory. He can become a legend, immortalized in bronze outside Schembechler-Harbaugh Hall.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah um Rutger's wasn't playing in the 90s B1G||
With U-M, OSU, Wiscy, etc. all at relative peaks. They were in the Big East.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||As long as he needs||
It may kill me, but as long as he needs.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||The universe is neither benign nor hostile||
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Hate to project negativity, I just have this sickening feeling||
that everything is going to fall through and Michigan is going to strike out on Harbaugh, Miles, Stoops, Mullen, and every other viable coaching candidate.
They may not end up with Steve Addazio, but really it wouldn't shock me. Meanwhile OSU is on the brink of a national championship with their 50 year old coach. Who rode his 2nd and 3rd string QBs to a B1G championship behind an offensive line as young as Michigan's. And is 3-0 against Michigan at OSU.
OSU went out and got their big-name hire, Alabama went out and got their big-name hire, and look where they are now. If/when Michigan strikes out and we're wallowing in despair 5 years from now, with an 8-game losing streak to OSU, that's all you'll need to say to understand why.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Tressel was a shot in the dark||
He is the exception and not the rule. Sometimes you get lucky, but most of the time you don't.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||If Michigan doesn't get Harbaugh, Miles, or Stoops||
that'll speak huge volumes of the state of Michigan vs. OSU right now.
When they needed to, OSU went out and got their first choice coach. Now they are on the brink of a national championship, with just 3 losses in 3 years and 3-0 vs. Michigan. Meyer is 50 years old. If Hackett chokes and loses out on all the top candidates, Michigan likely won't be competitive with OSU for a generation.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I totally agree||
Remember back in 2012 when ND was undefeated yet everyone knew they were a farce? They were still ranked #1 ahead of Alabama. We're basically in the same situation today with FSU yet the voters seem content to put them at #3.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Cardale Jones is 10/13 for 211 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs||
OSU is going to win the NCG with their 3rd string QB and Michigan is going to hire Greg Schiano.
|3 weeks 18 hours ago||Is this true?||
I know nothing about the situation so I can't tell if it's in jest/sarcasm...
And is it in reference to the mysterious "factions" that are said to have developed when Rich Rod came to Ann Arbor?
|3 weeks 2 days ago||It's called the Big Leagues||
It works like that everywhere, e.g. Golden Parachutes in the financial industry. A coach is like a CEO, and all CEOs get generous buyouts. The graduate assistants on Hoke's staff don't get a buyout.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||I mean, I would give my right kidney for this to happen||
but I'd still rather just get Harbaugh now.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||THE_KNOWLEDGE predicted an 11-1 season this year||
|3 weeks 3 days ago||We'll always have...||
Under the Lights I, OSU '11, MSU '12, and fuck it, even OSU '13.
God I wish we could have that game back. But in spite of the loss I do think I'll always remember it as one of the greatest Michigan football games I've ever been to. We started the day with no hope at all, nothing. As we were tailgating beforehand, I yelled to my already drunk friend, "Where are we going after the game?" His response: "If we lose, Charley's, but IF WE WIN WE'LL BE BURNIN' THIS TOWN TO THE GROUND".
Then Gardner threw that first bubble screen that went for 80-whatever yards and the game was on... each time OSU scored I expected Michigan to call it quits and pack it in, but against all odds they responded, time after time, and I lost all control of myself as I embraced the possibility of the impossible...
On the final drive there were several times where it seemed all hope was lost, yet Gardner brought us all the way down the field for the final TD... and then... and then the entire world hinged on the edge of an Al Borges 2-pt conversion call. Seconds from sheer nirviana, we waited for the snap... Gardner dropped back, threw the ball... and then darkness. Nothing but darkness. It's cold. I am cold. We are all cold.
The town of Ann Arbor did not burn that night. Fire Hoke.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Don't blame me I voted for||
Don't blame me I voted for McFarlin
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Lloyd Carr can go to hell||
when Michigan needed him most he was nowhere to be seen.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||If this is true||
then the Michigan athletic department has been digging it's own grave for over half a decade now...
|3 weeks 3 days ago||You are correct||
My mind just didn't register that someone as informed as Bacon could believe Schiano is a Plan B. Schiano is Plan Y (plan Z is retain Hoke)
|3 weeks 3 days ago||But are we really supposed to believe...||
that Bill Martin offered the job to Schiano, and Dave Brandon offered the job to Hoke, without offering Miles at all?? And if so, why?
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Tell me about it...||
I don't think we're ever going to get a straight answer on this one though..
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Plan B is Miles, plan C is Schiano||
Can't complain too much when your plan B is a national championship winning coach with above .750 winning percentage in the SEC. Plan C, on the other hand...
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Miles and it's not even remotely close||
A better poll would have been Miles vs. Mullen. Or Tom Hermann
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Awesome!||
I wonder what kind of therapy he's been getting. Happy to know he's good hands with the people at Mott's.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Rich Rod's 2012 Arizona team lost to Oregon 49-0||
Now they've beaten them two years in a row. I don't profess to know how that happened, but suffice it to say that Rich Rod was a highly accomplished coach with a track record of success, and we threw him away for a bumbling fool who managed two winning seasons out of 8 in the MAC and the Mountain West.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Remember when people accused Brian||
of "pining for Rich Rod" during Hoke's first year?
Fuck I miss Rich Rod.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Right after his class||
on paragraphs and online formatting etiquette.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I wouldn't mind it||
if only because it would make Lloyd Carr's head explode.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Except Christmas morning will come...||
and there will be nothing under the tree. The kids will cry and you'll say "Just be patient!" Finally, mid January will roll around and you'll hand them a Nokia 3210 and say "See, now wasn't it worth waiting for?"
This is how I anticipate the situation ending up for Michigan.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Sadly I have no faith in the Michigan athletic department||
to make th right decision. I would not be shocked if they fire Hoke in mid January and hire Greg Schiano or Mike Stoops. I would also not be shocked if they decide to retain Hoke. It would just be par for the course for the last 10 years.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||We have no idea whether this is true||
Harbaugh was the obvious choice in December 2010 if we weren't going to retain Rich Rod, and we all know how that turned out.
For all we know there are people in the athletic department, powerful people, who are still pissed at Harbaugh for making that remark about Michigan vs. Stanford academics. They will be digging their own graves, but hey, it's not like it hasn't happened before.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Dantonio won the B1G in his 4th year||
He then won the division in his fifth year. He beat his arch-rival 4/5 of those years.
Mullen plays in the SEC West, which has been easily the most dominant division in college football over the past 5 years. Yet he has still managed to make a bowl game every year except his first.
Also, both of those guys were guru coordinators for national championship winning teams. And neither of them does nonsense crap like insist on running a pro-style punt formation because that's what they're "comfortable" with.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||You can't deny he's a good DC||
Not in the same league as Narduzzi, but his body of work speaks for itself. The defense was awful and he and Hoke made it respectable. Sure, it hasn't exactly been dominant, but there are a lot of things that factor into that. I'd hate to see him go to OSU and then shut us down.
Of course, this is at the very bottom of my list of things to worry about with respect to the "anticipated" coaching change.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||This is what irks me the most||
whether or not Rich Rod's problems were mostly self-inflicted, just the fact that he perceived a lack of support is very damning.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||You people act like Harbaugh is already signed||
last I checked he is still the 49ers head coach. And Brady Hoke is still the Michigan coach. And Greg Schiano is looking for a job.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||5 and 7 are just statistics||
5 and 7 are just statistics
|3 weeks 5 days ago||But what if Brady Hoke||
|3 weeks 5 days ago||I think it's more the fact that despite his failures||
at this moment Hoke is still the head coach at the University of Michigan. Why should we expect an athletic department that carried out the worst coaching evaluation & search in the history of college football in Dec 2010-Jan 2011 won't blow it again?
Also it's not the fact that they like him, it's the fact that they legitimately believe everyone who is critical of him is an idiot and has no idea what they're talking about. Like Hoke is some genius and we just don't know how to appreciate him.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||People keep claiming this but the evidence is lacking||
quite frankly it seems like the athletic department is intent on committing harakiri and emulating UVA or something. People act like Michigan is going to do what it takes to win but they simply haven't shown that they're willing to do that over the past decade.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||If Gardner were coached by Meyer||
he would be 3-0 against Michigan and in the running for the Heisman
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I hate to say it, but let's be honest...||
it's best for the program if Michigan loses this game. Imagine the slappies out there like Marcus Ray and Sam Webb, claiming you've got to wait and see how Hoke does in the bowl game.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Remember guys||
Hoke totally has Urban's number
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Nope. Not anymore||
I went 2 years ago. Was completely decked out in Michigan gear from head to toe. Only got harassed twice in about 12 hours. Once was when we were leaving the hotel and some guy said "How's it feel to be the fan of a team that hasn't won a national championship since 1948?" Second was when I was walking into the stadium, some drunk guy ran in front of me and game me a thumbs down and went "BOOOOO". Other than that no one even said anything to us.
Granted I sat in the U-M student away ticket section, so I don't know what it was like sitting elsewhere in the stadium.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Hoke had one good year in 6 at Ball State||
then went 4-8 and 9-4 at SDSU. Never won a conference championship. Career record of 47-50.
Meanwhile, Rich Rod won 4 conference titles at Glenville State en route to a 43-28-2 record. Then went to West Virginia and won 4 Big East titles in 5 years from '03-'07. 60-26 overall.
Now tell me, who was more qualified to be Michigan's head coach?
|4 weeks 16 hours ago||Partly Borges maybe...||
Not that the guy was actually a good offensive coordinator... the truth is he was very hit or miss. The misses were pretty awful but the hits could be spectucular. Just last year we put up 41 against ND, 42 against Minnesota, 63 against Indiana, and 41 against OSU (the blame lies on the defense for one). This year Nuss put up 52 against Appalachain State and since then has cracked 20 just ONCE (Rutgers). Michigan is now 90th in offensive FEI compared to 42 last year...
Obviously Gallon plays a big role too but really a large portion of the offensive woes this year have to be attributed to Nuss's absolute inability to work successfully with Gardner.
|4 weeks 19 hours ago||Sad to think we're at this point||
where going 1-2 against OSU - with one 6 point win against a 6-7 team in a transition year with no coach and a true freshman QB - is considered "playing OSU well." Guess that's the way it is. I feel lucky to have seen one victory over each of OSU/MSU as a student at UofM, but the truth is, I was in seventh grade for Michigan's last great victory over Ohio State.
|4 weeks 19 hours ago||"Hypothetically"||
Your friend seems quite prescient. Picking the road underdog both times is balsy yet both those games were hardly even close.
Unless he gives you OSU -50 I would advise pay up and not make any more bets this year.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Imo one year of lost recruiting is meaningless||
if you can get Harbaugh here and establish him as a career coach. I mean, the effect of that one bad class will be 100% gone 5 years from now, while Harbaugh could conceivably be here for 20+ years at his age.
You've gotta be thinking longterm on this. I'd say get ahold of Harbaugh now and offer him the job and promise that nothing will be public until the NFL season is completely over. If he says no, then we'll have to look elsewhere. If it's anything other than a no, then I still say it's worth waiting. A great coach knows how to deal with adversity. Another strikeout and we'll be screwed for yet another decade.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||So basically we have to count on the Lions and the Cowboys?||
In order to cut SFs season off at the end of December in time for Jim Harbaugh to get here? Dammit.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Oh no, they can always be worse.||
In fact, if Hoke returns I wouldn't be surprised if they were.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||I don't know what the exact rules are||
but it seems to me the game is declared "over" once the playclock runs over the gameclock. Quite often you will see the winning team race out onto the field in celebration, yet I have never seen an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty called in that situation.
As for the complaint about the playclock not starting on time... there's almost always a 2-3 second delay between the time the play is declared dead and the time the playclock starts. Maybe that's not how it's supposed to be, but it happens on virtually every play.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah it's possible||
but after the last 7 years I won't be holding my breath.
Unless we somehow nab Harbaugh. Then I won't be breathing until next August.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Um. Okay.||
Straw man much? Very few people here have criticized Hoke's character. In fact, most are of the opinion that his personal character is perhaps his best attribute.
The fact that a few people may be attacking his character is meaningless. It's the internet, you are going to get a huge range of opinions on pretty much everything.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||This list is bull||
most of those teams head of Michigan had decent starts to the season but have recently tanked (Nebraska, ND, VaTech). Michigan has been a disastor the whole way through.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Man you guys are really dogging on Gardner||
Remember when he had the best YPA and QB rating in the B1G? That wasn't that long ago. It's not Gardner's fault he's regressed to this point. It's not the receiver's fault we won't be playing in a bowl. The team has fallen apart due to lack of accountability on sooo many levels. This is just flat out a bad team coached by a bad coach.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Feeling bad for someone||
doesn't mean you condone their actions in any way. Or that you feel less sorry for their victims.
There's no shame in feeling bad for the fact that there are millions of young children out there who witnessed domestic violence growing up - or were themselves the victims of abuse - who are now passing that violence on to the next generation. Frank Clark may be one of them. Just because a football player was given lots of opportunities to correct their wrongs at the age of 18 (by the time their personality traits are already formulated) doesn't mean they're playing on the same level as those who grew up in much better living situations.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||When did feeling bad for someone||
become equivalent to condoning their actions?
|6 weeks 16 hours ago||The truth is||
we haven't even sniffed a Big Ten Title game appearance let alone a conference championship.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Give me a break||
please show me some actual data that shows there is a correlation between socioeconomic status and football success that is independent of fundamental disparities in genetically-based athletic characteristics between different racial groups.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Anyone else think the thread title is a little misleading?||
Makes it seem like he has some special insight on the topic, which after reading the actual comments, does not appear to be the case.
Instead he's just spouting off opinions, which don't seem to be very carefully evaluated. I mean, our problem is recruiting too many "trust fund babies"? Really? Our 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes were ranked #7 and #5, respectively, on Rivals. These players were highly touted coming out of high school. I'm thinking the problem has more to do with what they do once they get here rather than their socioeconomical status (and I highly doubt that matters in any case). Sounds more like Larry is trying to rationalize the scenario in a way that subscribes to his preconceived worldview, rather than critically evaluating the facts.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||I'm on the Harbaugh train all the way||
but the text of that petition falls a little short. I mean, aside of the the copious grammatical errors, I thought everyone had agreed by now that the "Michigan Man" term has to go away.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||I didn't even make the comparison really...||
johnthesavage did and I just commented on it. He said he'd take Kelly over Hoke but prefers Harbaugh over both. Reader71 said he hopes that kind of thinking is in the minority amongst Michigan fans... I took that to mean that Reader71 values a coach's demeanor above their W/L record, meaning I have to assume he prefers Hoke over Harbaugh.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||I mean, I want a coach who "does it the right way"||
just as much as the next guy. But then how long do we have to sit here waiting, watching the entire world pass us by?
|6 weeks 4 days ago||You hope that people who want a winner as a HC||
are in the minority? I agree that Brian Kelly is awful (and perhaps deserves to be arrested for the crane in the wind incident) and I wouldn't want him either, but how could you possibly prefer a well-mannered coach who loses (i.e. Hoke) vs. a guy like Jim Harbaugh?
|6 weeks 6 days ago||give me a break||
The coaches are responsible for how the players play. It starts at the top.
|8 weeks 4 hours ago||My impression of the scenario||
Brandon = oliphaunt
mgoblog = Theoden
spear-thrower = WD
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Yeah this will not end well||
just like Brady Hoke's tenure at Michigan...
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Hey there. My hotdog vendor happens to be a very reliable source||
thank you very much. FWIW he said Peppers is transferring to MSU and Hoke and Brandon just got 15-year extensions.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Wut||
Like just wut
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Oh c'mon, they won the Rose Bowl||
Oh c'mon, they won the Rose Bowl and beat Urban Meyer in the BTCG. Their success goes beyond Michigan's decline at this point.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||But is his wife house shopping in Ann Arbor?||
But is his wife house shopping in Ann Arbor? That's the real giveaway.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||The fact that Dantonio made that joke about the stake||
The fact that Dantonio made that joke about the stake without even cracking a smile is about as Dantonio as it gets.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||The fact that it is still pissing them off||
The fact that it is still pissing them off seven years down the road continues to amaze me. They won the Rose Bowl and yet they are still fixated on this just as much as when it started. Stabbing a stake in the ground "is a product of their program"? No, no it's not. It's 20 year olds being silly. Was MSU planting their flag at ND back in 2004 or whatever a product of their program?
Everyone associated with the organization at the time the phrase was first uttered is gone. Dantonio is the guy who refuses to speak to his family for 40 years over something no one else even remembers.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||I nearly spit out my drink||
When I read that comment... Hoke has Meyer's number about as much as Carr had Tressels number, which is to say, not at all.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||It really amazes me how we treat these booth people like gods||
They sit up there completely invisible and make decisions in utmost secrecy (we don't even have any idea WHO actually is making these decisions) and we peons just accept it. No explanations necessary. I mean how about some freaking accountability? These guys are fools and completely incompetent. It's not brain surgery - how do you mess up an obvious call like this (or the Rutgers one) unless you're just completely incapable of being a replay official?
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Yes what a special moment for Devin||
getting steamrolled by his in-state rival.That's exactly what I was thinking too. (Not that I blame Devin entirely, he was awful but the whole football organization is just incompetent and terrible)
|8 weeks 6 days ago||catches and drops are just statistics||
So what would we expect
|9 weeks 1 day ago||I prefer jalapenos||
habaneros are a tad too spicy for my taste
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Still, it's hard to say we didn't have it coming...||
I mean, it's not as if we had been utterly dominant over that 6-win streak. Michigan could have pretty easily been 2-4 instead.
Under the same reasoning, it seems the data we have now indicates at least another 5/6 for Sparty :( except instead of nailbiters, most of them will just be pummelings. Alright time for me to stop wallowing... Maybe we'll at least reverse the downward trend in points this year?
|9 weeks 3 days ago||I never said it surprised me||
and the players themselves will always talk smack. But as fans we skating on thin ice - on the heels of quite a streak of luck that for some reason we thought was utter domination. Only two wins in our stretch of 6 straight could even remotely be called convincing - 2002 and 2006. The 2003 game took a heroic effort from Perry, 2004 was the Braylonfest OT miracle, 2005 was another OT nailbiter, and 2007 required a 10 point comeback in the final 10 minutes.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Carr was a very good coach...||
but Tressel ultimately did him in. At the end of the day though, I'd say his biggest flaw was failing to set up a suitable replacement ahead of time, and not embracing the role of "caretaker of the football program" like Bo did. When Michigan needed a strong leader more than ever Carr was nowhere to be seen.
Also if there is any truth at all to the rumor that he vetoed Les Miles that's just infuriating.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Fairly certain THE_KNOWLEDGE predicted an 11-1 season||
|9 weeks 5 days ago||I don't understand why people don't get this...||
Before the CFP people were saying "Trust us, it'll never get past 4 teams, 4 is really just the perfect number." Well, we haven't even been one year in the new system and there are already people howling that 8 is the perfect number. It'll change, but then everyone will be saying why not 12 teams like the NFL?
|9 weeks 5 days ago||Any chance of 3 SEC teams in the CFP?||
Would probably have to entail a 2 loss team getting in which seems unlikely... but the SEC love is about as high as it can possibly get this season
|9 weeks 5 days ago||What are you talking about?||
Don't you know it's an immutable law of college football that young offensive lines are doomed to be terrible? Apparently you haven't heard SpaceCoyote explain how even if you've got two NFL tackles, as long as your guards are anything below RS Sr. then you cannot possibly have a decent offensive line.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||You haven't forgotten about our beatdown, have you?||
That one wasn't so much fun to watch... Wasn't much better than the ND NCG showing. 31-0 and I think Brian was close to cracking...
|9 weeks 6 days ago||As far as I'm concered||
the banner change is what doomed us. Brian should have never changed it from "Hoke springs eternal" as it was in 2011.
Change the banner and watch us have a miralce turnaround!
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Let me work through your reasoning here...||
Last year Hoke/Borges sometimes ran a "spread" and sometimes ran "manball". They sucked at manball but got lucky ~25% of the time with the spread (e.g. ND, OSU). This year Hoke/Nuss are sticking with manball and the offense has been atrocious 100% of the time discounting cupcakes and Rutgers (where we lit it up with 158 total rushing yards and 4.5 ypc). You cite ND and Utah as examples of where they outgained their opponent in a loss - this year's version of manball provided a whopping 100 yards/2.9 ypc and 118 yards/3.3 ypc in those games, respectively.This qualifies as a significant improvement in your mind.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||You're joking, right?||
I guess if you're using the Notre Dame game as your starting point then anything is improvement. But Michigan is currently 67 in offensive FEI, and last year they finished 42... How exactly are they getting better? In yards per play they've jumped from 73 to... 71. So I guess there's that.
Even defense has dropped from 37 to 50 after returning virtually everyone - remember, this was the year almost everyone was saying they would make the jump to become an "elite" unit.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||The talk about factions was and is utter nonsense||
Different people sometimes have different opinions. Go figure!
The "lack of support from the Michigan family" was always nonsense and didn't affect the play on the field. Lloyd telling his players he would sign any transfer papers wasn't abnormal - it's pretty standard procedure, considering Lloyd was essentially breaking his word from when he recruited them.
Still should have given RR one more year.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||I mean I'd prefer substantiated hope||
instead of random guesses from U-M homers, but I guess at this point I'll take what I can get :/
|11 weeks 2 days ago||on defense yes we believed it||
On offense we were scratching our heads a good deal of the time, and serious doubts were arising as early as UTL1.