“The player development is the main thing I like (about Michigan),” Williams said. “You can see that they develop their players. They get them in the gym and they work them hard. And their hard work pays off.”
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Obviously Dr. Evil == App. State||
It's time to strike back, baby
|13 weeks 5 days ago||I think the point here...||
is that our wins against OSU and MSU came when those teams were in obvious down years, and even then we barely squeaked by in those games despite being the favorite by a wide margin.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||"Opting out" has an effect on pricing||
You don't think that if no one buys tickets they won't lower prices, or at least not raise them at outrageous rates?
|14 weeks 3 days ago||What's your point?||
I'm well aware of that. That's the way it was then. This is the way it is now. It might change soon. It might not. My point is that I don't expect the team to be any better than it is.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||The students were criticized for buying tickets and not going||
The argument being that they were preventing non-students from being able to go to the games. So now the students are not buying tickets anymore and they're still being criticized. If what you really wanted was for all the students to exhibit unbrindled devotion towards the football team, even in the face of high prices and a crap product, your expectations were unrealistic. This is just a fact of life.
EDIT: reveal yourself, random downvoter
|14 weeks 3 days ago||Entitled?||
Honestly, I don't "expect" any better than what we've gotten, unlike many of the other posters here who are still convinced that this is just a temporary down period. Personally, I am quite used to Michigan football being crap. My sports conciousness dates back to the 2001 season. U-M has gone 2-11 in The Game since then. In the five years I've been a student here I've watched Sparty win the Big Ten twice and even win the Rose Bowl. Like MGrowOld, nothing would make me happier than to see U-M go undefeated. Even on the miniscually small chance that did happen though, the legendary games wouldn't be the ones being played at Michigan Stadium. The home slate is crap. The point is, I'm not willing to shell out $300 to watch a likely bad U-M team play a bunch of other bad teams.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||So glad you posted this||
I got this email earlier and find it quite amusing that the AD thinks they can still entice me to buy tickets at this point. I first got here in '09 and am now a grad student, and all of the factors everyone is mentioning went into my decision to not buy season tickets. In '09 a student season ticket was $200. That's a 50% increase in half a decade. Ridiculous. The general admission thing was a complete fiasco and I simply don't trust the AD after all these spontaneous rule changes. And quite frankly the team has been awful the past two years. To think, I consider myself extremely lucky to have seen ONE win over OSU and ONE win over MSU in the time i've been here. The biggest factor though is probably the schedule. The marquee game is PSU? How thrilling. I do love going to the games though, so I would still have gotten tickets if it weren't for the fact that I know I'll be able to pick up a ticket for each game from another student for practically nothing at all.
|15 weeks 5 hours ago||Ann Arbor is a college town, Austin is a city||
just saying, it's very hard to compare the two. A lot of times people think of Austin as a college town, but its population is literally over 7x the size of Ann Arbor's.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||Don't wish him luck are you crazy?||
I couldn't care less what he does in the NFL. Would much rather see him go 2-2 against us... sigh...
|15 weeks 1 day ago||This is kind of a spoiler, but yeah that's the theory||
Though in the book it's a hairnet and not a necklace.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||Tywin was absolutely not involved||
He definitely thought Joffrey was an idiot but it's insinuated that Tywin would never have gone so far as to commit kinslaying. I haven't watched the episode yet and don't want to give anything away, but there's a pretty good consensus on all the ASOIAF forums as to who was responsible. There are two people in particular for whom the evidence is almost irrefutable. Tywin, Sansa, and Tyrion are not considered major suspects.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||anyone want to explain again||
how that's such a low percentage shot
|17 weeks 1 day ago||what was with that last 30 seconds||
I will still never understand why you wouldn't foul them there on that last possession and make their 50% free throw shooters make a 1-and-1... even if they do make it, you're down 2 with 20 seconds left and have a chance to win the game on a three
|17 weeks 1 day ago||this game is a fucking self-fulfilling prophecy though||
If you let Randle do w/e the fuck he wants inside and call Morgan for ticky tack bullshit, this is what's going to happen
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Wofford||
|19 weeks 1 day ago||oh snap you are right||
fuck the NCAA
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Two words||
If you've got a dominant player who has the ability to just completely take over games in the tourney, you will be tough to beat. UVA has no one that scares me. Jabari, on the other hand, is terrifying.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Two words||
If you've got a dominant player who has the ability to just completely take over games in the tourney, you will be tough to beat. UVA has no one that scares me. Jabari, on the other hand, is terrifying.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Allow me to introduce you||
to Jabari Parker.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Honestly||
what universe am I living in where Wichita is worse than freaking Villanova? Wichita basically returned everyone from the team last year that was up 10 on Louisville in the second half of their Final Four game. They have not lost a single game the entire season. Meanwhile, 'Nova crapped out of their conference tourney in the first round.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Jabari Parker? No thx.||
That has nightmare written all over it. Horgan Morfard will get called for ticky tack bullshit fouls like they did today against Payne and Jabari will destroy us in the post. Not to mention they are lead by one of the greatest coaches of all time.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||We got jobbed||
no doubt about it. Assuming we it to the sweet sixteen, we'll have to get past Jabari Parker, and then either Kentucky, Wichita, or Lousville to get to the Final Four. Wow.
So much for the Big Ten Championship game not mattering.
|20 weeks 4 days ago||Wow, that's rough||
If you're at liberty to say... what type of cancer? Just curious...
|21 weeks 4 days ago||When I saw this comment I first thought||
"Wow, I'm going to feel old when people start saying that about 9/11." And then I remembered that the current crop of recruits was 3 or 4 years old in 2001, and in all likelihood they do not vividly remember 9/11.
|22 weeks 6 days ago||Gary Danko on North Pointe and Hyde in SF||
Not. Actually unless you're a wine afficionado you may find Napa boring after a couple hours. There's a lot to do is SF though... Golden Gate Park is a top spot (check out the Japanese Tea Garden or the California Academy of Sciences) and if you're there on a Saturday morning check out the Ferry Plaza Farmer's market. Not much to do in Napa other than taste wine and go on tours... Artesa has some nice views and a decent price.
|22 weeks 6 days ago||Seems they added one student||
This was posted in December...
|23 weeks 4 days ago||Umm the difference there...||
is that that thread was complaining about a handful of various dings and sprains, while this one is talking about 9 ACL tears in 2 years...
|23 weeks 4 days ago||Unfortunately that means next to nothing||
You actually don't even need your ACLs to get around in day-to-day life. Your ACLs are required for quick, lateral movements - a common event in the sports world, but not if you're just walking around. Older people with ACL tears quite often don't even get surgery.
|23 weeks 4 days ago||We need to poach Stanford's conditioning coach...||
I believe there was a thread about this and I don't know if it's already been mentioned here but there was a NYT article about Stanford adopting a conditioning program that focuses on flexibility and balance...
9 ACL tears in basically 2 years is absurd. And anyone who attributes it to just bad luck is deluding themselves.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||I've totally given up||
on trying to understand what constitutes a foul in college bball. Might as well just flip a coin.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||rofl||
Dakich straightup admits his mancrush on Kraft
|24 weeks 3 hours ago||So happy they opened a Costco in A2||
I go all the time for the beer even though I don't have a membership. Great place to get La Fin du Monde and Three Philosophers...
|24 weeks 3 hours ago||Thanks for the suggestions||
I'll have to look into those in the future...
California beer is great, but I do have a slight preference for stouts, and have yet to find anything better than Expedition or KBS.
|24 weeks 4 hours ago||What are your favorites then?||
I was in California this summer, and Russian River and Alesmith are what everyone raved about whenever I asked, but I found Pliny and Speedway to be somewhat overrated. Still very good... but I'm curious to know what you consider the top brews.
|24 weeks 4 hours ago||Look on their website for when it's on sale||
You can typically get a few dollars off if you go on the right week... otherwise you will be pay close to full price. But when it's on sale it's a good deal.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||No, I couldn't care less||
However, I am annoyed by the elitist attitude everyone here takes about people being passionate. I read the open thread. It wasn't even bad.
It's like when Brian got dissed on twitter for caring about the football team. There are just people out there who seem to get a rise from pretending to be "above" everybody else.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||First of all, I'm not even the one who's mad||
I'm just calling out the self-righteous elitists who keep acting like they're better than everyone else because they claim to be able to keep a cool head while posting on an internet board about a basketball game. Quite frankly, the people who are being unreasonable here are the ones bitching about other people bitching.
And what is with this cutesy "kids throwing a ball at a basket" crap? Fans are passionate. Fucking welcome to sports.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||"I stopped going to open threads years ago"||
Now, I just go to the threads complaining about the open threads, so that I can complain about people complaining about the team in the open thread.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||The Big Ten Title was always a pipe dream||
They are just crashing back to earth and meeting everyone's original expectations. If they had McGary it'd be a different story.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||No. There are no tie-breakers||
I'm sorry but how do people not know this, considering that's exactly what happened two years ago when we won a share of the championship? Not to mention, that's how it's always been since the beginning of time, and it's also how it was in football until a few years ago.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||Check my post history||
I never even insulted anyone. I am just sick and fucking tired of the self-righteous preachers on this board acting like it's a big deal and totally unreasonable for people to be pissed off that the basketball team had a shit game today.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||Oh my gosh.||
Guys, someone on the internet is mad that their favorite basketball team lost by 18 today. Can you believe that? I never get mad about anything. Good thing I'm here to give them a sanctimonious speech about how awful they are for complaining on an internet board.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||The self-righteousness on this board is unbearable||
The players do not give two fucks if some stupid internet poster says they suck. So why do you get your panties in a bunch over it? This is sports. People are going to get mad when the players for their favorite teams suck. You're the one bitching and moaning about other people bitching and moaning.
I wasn't even bashing anyone until the self-righteous, holier-than-thou preachers came out in full force in respone to a few people complaining about Michigan getting their asses handed to them by a mediocre Iowa team.
|24 weeks 2 days ago||If they play like crap||
the players are going to be bashed. They can deal with it. They are not kindergarteners. Obviously tweeting them or whatever is completely not okay but saying Stauskus and GRIII are sucking, on a random internet open thread, is not as outrageous as you're trying to make it.
|24 weeks 6 days ago||It would be different if he already led that lifestyle||
Clearly there was somewhat of a clash in values between Martin and his teammates. Clashes in values usually stem from a person's upbringing (and please don't play the "well there are exceptions" line... of course there are exceptions, but that's completely irrelevant here) What don't you understand about that?
|24 weeks 6 days ago||Okay well then I'll spell it out for you||
I am 100% serious when I say that the Dolphins' management screwed up and didn't do their homework on this situation. It played out very badly, and it could have been much worse. Clearly, Martin was extremely emotionally unstable by late October - how would you have feel about the situation if he had harmed himself rather than seeking professional help?
|24 weeks 6 days ago||Was he?||
Peer pressure is a powerful thing and things are not always as they seem. Considering Martin felt so distraught by late October that he went so far as to check himself into a mental hospital, I'm guessing his reservations went a bit farther back than you're assuming.
You're just denying the obvious, which is that the Dolphins management didn't do their homework on this. If they had, they wouldn't be down two starting offensive linemen now, would they?
|24 weeks 6 days ago||If you can't see how that is a disgusting lifestyle||
then I have nothing to say to you.
|24 weeks 6 days ago||Are you kidding me?||
The Dolphins are the ones who knowingly drafted a Stanford-educated son of two Harvard graduates who went to private school his whole life, and then sat and watched as a bunch of goons went and tried to suck the guy into a disgusting lifestyle, all in the name of... what? brotherhood and comraderie? This is really more like your boss sending Mother Theresa on a booze cruise with Ozzy Osbourne and then acting surprised when she tries to swim to shore...
|25 weeks 51 min ago||Was it Martin who threw Incognito under the bus though?||
I'm actually not very familiar with how this all played out. Who exactly broke the story? Seems to me like Martin probably would have rather seen the whole incident blow over. Incognito definitely got thrown under the bus, but it's hard for me to feel very sorry for a guy promoting that type of putrid lifestyle.
In the end though, I'd say it's the Dolphin's management who look the worst in all this. They're the ones who brought in an upstanding young Stanford graduate and tried to turn him into a criminal, using Incognito as a Stooge. The whole staff knew exactly what was going on, but seemed to think it would just make Martin somehow "tougher" are promote comraderie.
|25 weeks 12 hours ago||Except for the MSU-Notre Dame game||
in which the refs DID have the balls to call PI every time it came up. And yet, when that happens, apparently all you have to do is whine and complain about it and argue that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a team to have 15 PI penalties in one game... and everyone who didn't watch the game will believe you. Even though 14/15 of those penalties were absolutely legit, and you shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt on that last one when you're playing that way.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||When did the number one offense win?||
When did the number one offense win?
|25 weeks 1 day ago||Totally agree||
the whole "Lloyd Carr told players to transfer" crap is way overblown. In the case of Mallet, not only was it completely in his best interest to transfer, but RR even told the guy he didn't want him.
The point is that when coaches recruit players, they imply that they'll actually coach them.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||We just lost all that "house money" we got||
from our wins at Wisconsin and MSU. This was just a terrible loss all around and could cost us in the Big Ten race.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||So someone explain again...||
how Stauskus and GRIII are going to the NBA?
|25 weeks 1 day ago||Completely shut down||
just like against Duke... don't understand how that happens.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||2014 don't fail me now...||
|25 weeks 1 day ago||There is ONE guy we need to stop||
they can't stop ONE guy?
|26 weeks 2 days ago||these refs are just a fucking disgrace||
|26 weeks 2 days ago||These refs are fucking bullshit||
|27 weeks 2 days ago||You just knew this shit was coming||
ya just knew it
|28 weeks 6 days ago||This is just not true||
If Hoke goes12-0 next year he will be immediately deified. At the end of the day, all the fans want is to win football games. We heard this same BS excuses with RR about how some mythical group of alumni had a vendetta against the guy and was trying to sabotage the program for unspecified reasons. It's just not the case.
|28 weeks 6 days ago||Michigan basically has one decade of awfulness||
and counting... things can change more quickly than you think.
|29 weeks 53 min ago||Okay guys don't get carried away||
remember, Jimbo Fisher coached under Saban and modeled this FSU team after the SEC (bonus points if you can explain how you model a team after an entire conference). Ergo, the SEC just won its 9th straight national championship.
|29 weeks 12 hours ago||Am I the only one||
who thinks there is at least a hint of sarcasm going on here?
Shows how the thread Nazis on this site will go to great lengths to diss any and every story...
|29 weeks 2 days ago||This is an extremely tenuous argument||
You just cherry-picked a few examples that you think make your point. And it's not clear what you're even defining as early success. You mention both Carr and Hoke - yet their first three years are opposite each other. Carr had two 8-4 seasons then went 12-0, Hoke went 11-2 and then 15-11.
And I can point to plenty of coaches off the top of my head who haven't had early success. Rich Rod obviously, Bret Beliema at Arkansas, Bill Calahan at Nebraska, John L. Smith at both MSU and Arkansas, Mike Shula at Alabama, etc...
If you actually looked at all of the data I'd bet you'd find that new coaches do far worse than their more experienced counterparts on the whole.
|29 weeks 3 days ago||Agreed.||
*sigh*... I'm told there were days when Michigan's OSU schadenfruede came as a result of us beating them. Must have been good times...
|29 weeks 3 days ago||let us all remember this||
as they day Urban forgot about his timeouts!
Or at least the day ESPN forgot to update the "timeouts" graphic at the bottom of the screen. Sad thing is, for as boneheaded as those teams looked at times, they are still light-years ahead of where Michigan is right now.
Whatever, fuck Ohio.
|29 weeks 4 days ago||I think you mean||
|29 weeks 4 days ago||You have no basis for assuming||
that the players will improve. In 3 years, who really has taken a big step forward? ........... Jake Ryan before his injury? Ummm, I honestly can't think of anyone else who the staff has really developed into an elite player.
|29 weeks 5 days ago||Once every 26 years? Keep talking||
At 16 years and counting, Michigan is well over halfway there.
|29 weeks 5 days ago||Fucking nailed it on Borges||
Nobody would pay that incompetent fool over $700k to spearhead one of the worst offenses in the country except for Michigan.
|29 weeks 5 days ago||According to whom?||
I'm guessing back in 2006 you would belonged to the "Saban is not coming to Alabama" crowd. If Brandon had pitched it right and if he had offered 1.5x what SF was offering, Harbaugh would be coach at Michigan.
|29 weeks 5 days ago||Nonsense, it could be worse.||
Like if in 2014 MSU plays Notre Dame for the national championship and Arizona plays OSU in the Rose Bowl while Michigan sits at home after going 5-7.
|29 weeks 5 days ago||He is enormously arrogant||
how can you not see that? Obviously he wants to win - I never said he didn't. The issue is that he suffers from wayyy too much overconfidence with regards to his decision making. Ask any coach or even sports writer and they'll tell you that firing a coach after a meaningless bowl game is insane. But not only does Brandon do that, he then goes out and hires a below .500 MAC coach who knows so little about offense he doesn't wear a headset. Despite the fact that Jim Harbaugh was available.
|29 weeks 5 days ago||Umm obviously not...||
please read my concluding sentence again.
As for Mike Hart's comment, I'm just saying it's funny to think how giddy almost every Michigan fan was after that comment was made. We were on our way to a 4 loss season that began by losing to Appy State and yet everyone was acting like it was 1997 and Michigan was light-years ahead of Sparty.
It's pretty clear that back in '07 Bill Martin was convinced that Michigan was on a permanant pedestal and didn't bother taking the coaching search seriously. Meanwhile Dave Brandon is the sort of arrogant elitist stiff who epitomizes what MSU fans say Michigan fans are. Hopefully he runs for office or something.
And yet here we are in 2013, and with regards to football, Michigan is now little brother. I wonder how Lloyd Carr feels about all this. He left this program as a house of cards that has no utterly collapsed.
|29 weeks 5 days ago||Eh, w/e||
they have a great coaching staff and Michigan doesn't. This shit should be expected until that changes. They deserve to be Rose Bowl champions and they are.
Easily MSU's greatest season since '66. You could make a case it's their greatest of all time.
Neg me to Bolivia, but all I can say is fuck Mike Hart. His petty comment has come back to bite and has made the turning of the tide all the more unbearable. Michigan will now be cursed for a hundred years. And nobody outside of the fanbase gives a shit. Bill Martin and Dave Brandon are laughing all the way to the bank as they sit back in their 5 million dollar mansions, and suck every last nickel out of the last wave of a dying legacy.
Call me overdramatic but how long do we have to sit back and watch the coaching staff and the U-M administrators act like Michigan football does not have a problem before anything actually changes?
|29 weeks 5 days ago||Someone swapped out Stanford's regular playbook with Borges's||
sneaky, sneaky move...
|29 weeks 5 days ago||Don't understand why more DB coaches don't teach that strategy||
It's missed at least 75% of the time and even if you're caught it's at most a 15 yard penalty which is always going to hurt you less than a completion
|29 weeks 5 days ago||He already turned UConn down||
like a month ago man
|30 weeks 21 hours ago||Who on offense has improved?||
Though everyone is quite understandably freaked out with the defense after the bowl, I think it's safe to say everyone on this board has at least an ounce of hope that the defensive staff knows what it's doing.
But the offense, on the other hand... that's where it gets messy. Has Gardner improved? No, not really. In fact it seemed like he did better at QB when he spent the last 3 months practicting as a WR. He was widly inconsistent this year and suffers from the same mistakes that Denard did. The common denominator there is coaching. Morris? The guy was an extremely highly touted recruit and has played one game... might wanna hold off on that one.
It's pretty clear there has been absolutely zero improvement in the running game so I won't even bother to cover that one.
As for the wide receivers, they've been good... but really, is that on the coaches? Let's go through the rounds... Gallon? The guy is a RR recruit and a spread-offense prototype. How is this supposed to make me feel good about Borges's offense going forward? Funchess? It took our staff a year and a half to realize the guy is a mini-Megatron, and even then, the overwhelming consensus on this board is that the guy has been underutilized.
What about the TEs? Jake Butt had a decent performance against OSU but again, it's very hard to say the guy is an awesome success story based on basically one game. Overall, the TEs were just as bad at blocking as the interior O-line this year.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||Jim Harbaugh signed with the 49ers on Jan. 7||
If Brandon had fired RR after the OSU game like he should have, we would have been in the game for Harbaugh long before SF lured hm in. It's a testament to what an awful salesman Dave Brandon is that he couldn't get Harbaugh to return to his alma mater. Along with how cheap the Michigan AD is that they wouldn't shell out 1.5x whatever SF was offering to pick him up.
As for Miles, no team the guy has coached has been put under sanctions or even on probation. If you are looking for a squeaky clean, well mannered coach who can dominate NCAA football in the modern era and has no skeletons in his closet, you will probably be looking for a very, very, very long time.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||I really don't understand all this bullcrap||
about "derailing" the progress we've made. First off, what progress? We have gotten worse every year since Hoke got here. Second, why is everyone acting like difficult transitions are some immutable law of nature? We had a rough time with RR because of the system, and allegedly we're having a rough time with Hoke because RR didn't recruit O-linemen. This does not mean that a potential new head coach be destined to have trouble. Michigan has had two awful transitions because the administration decided to play fast and loose with their coaching hires.
The sure bet was hiring Les Miles. That's what a top-tier program like Alabama or OSU would have done. But either because Bill Martin is worthless piece of crap or because Carr has some mysterious vendetta against Miles, we whiffed on that one and headed to the slot machines.
Hiring RR in 2007 was a gamble; he was a young coach from a crappy conference operating a system that required a completely different set of personel than we had. On top of that, we balked when it came to paying for the DC he was used to - that more than anything is the reason RR is no longer here.
Then Brandon decided to follow in Martin's footsteps of incompetence and went ahead with the inane decision to fire RR after the freaking bowl game (because seriously that blowout loss to the cowbells told us so much more than our blowout losses to MSU, Iowa, Penn State, Wisconsin, and OSU).
Another elite coach, Harbaugh, was well within our grasp, but we balked yet again for unclear reasons. So Brandon goes out and gets a MAC coach with a below .500 career record with only one season of double-digit wins. A guy who cares so little about offensive strategy that he doesn't see any need to wear a headset, and has bet his entire career on a journeyman OC who can apparently only run a decent offense when his entire backfield is future NFLers. And not only that, but the system the staff wants to run is another complete 180 from RR and requires an entirely different set of personel.
It doesn't need to be this way. But if you hire second-rate coaches there's a chance you'll end up with a second-rate program. Michigan didn't need to play the lotto on their last two picks for HC, but they did anyway.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||I'm not the one trying to compare Hoke and Dantonio||
You're the guy who keeps cherry-picking the example of Dantonio's career at MSU as absolute proof that it takes more than 3 years to become elite.
Nevermind that fact that Saban won the MNC in his 3rd year. And Meyer won it in his 2nd year. And Tressel won it in his 2nd year. And Lloyd of all people won it in his 3rd year.
The point is, all these analogies are ridiculous. It's not the fact that Hoke had an awful year three that really bothers me. It's the fact that the same problems that plagued us are the problems that plauged us in the Iowa and MSU games in 2011. Other than the initial huge uptick in defense and the kicking game in 2011, what year-to-year improvements have we seen? And what intra-season improvements have we seen? Was the team that got blown out by KSU yesterday really any better than the team that almost lost to Akron in week 3?
|30 weeks 1 day ago||Right, so it's really going to be different this time?||
You're saying seriously, this is the year that MSU's defense drops off enough that Michigan has a fighting chance? Like I said, I have been hearing this for the past 5 years now. 2014 hasn't happened yet but for the past 4 years Michigan State's defense has been as good or better than they were the year before.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||#65, #35, #6, #2, #3||
Those are MSU's defensive FEI rankings in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013. That is a trend towards elite-ness. And say what you want, there are absolutely no "direct analogies" in college football. Dantonio had beaten his rival 3 years in a row after 2009. Hoke has been owned by MSU and OSU the past 3 years. We barely squeaked out two home wins against them in years in which those teams went 6-7 (!)
When Michigan goes 6-7 in 2014 I'm guessing you'll be whining that Hoke had a harder schedule than Dantonio in year 4 so it doesn't count. Then in 2015 you'll mumble something about 1st year starters at quarterback. We have been playing this game for 6 years; by now, we should know how it ends.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||They lose 5 starters on defense||
We lose 3. Their staff has shown they can lose players and still be elite, our defense has gotten worse and worse every year. Their defense coordinator eaten Borges's lunch for 3 straight years in RPS
|30 weeks 1 day ago||MSU's defensive FEI ranking since 2010?||
#35, #6, #2, #3. They are not going away.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||I wasn't counting 2009.||
No one thought they'd be good that year. But for 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, and now 2014 (i.e. 5 years), Michigan fans have been talking smack about how we're going to run all over MSU, and yet we're 1-4 against them in that span with our single victory being a fluke home win that took a 4th and 10 miracle 20-yard pass to Dileo and a last second 45 yard field goal. Against a team with one of the worst offenses in the country in a game in which Michigan was a double digit favorite.
Face it, MSU's defense has been utterly dominant for 5 years straight now. When they had a problem on offense in 2012 and had a bad season, they fired their OC and went out and got another guy. They are now in the Rose Bowl. This is an example of a highly competent coaching staff. An example of a highly incompetent coaching staff is one that has severe offensive troubles that lead to a middling 8-5 season, does absolutely nothing to right the ship the next year, and promptly goes 7-6 and gets blown out by a crap Big 12 team.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||So which 11 win season are you leaving out?||
And what part of "#2 in defensive FEI for 2012" don't you understand? If any of their past four seasons was a fluke, it was 2012.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||We have been saying MSU will lose their defense||
for fucking 5 years straight now. MSU has had one bad year in that span: 2012, in which they were still ranked #2 (!) in defensive FEI. If you think MSU's defense is going away because they lose a handful of seniors you are delusional.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||OSU is 12-1 and playing in the Orange Bowl||
They have beaten us 10 of 12 and have gone to 10 BCS bowls since '99.
One fluke home game in which a pathetic Michigan team put up a valiant effort but still lost is not much to base an argument on.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||So you think the ceiling is 11-1?||
And OSU is an "L" but MSU isn't? Never mind that MSU is #4 in the country, just beat OSU and won the Big 10, and really won't be losing a higher proportion of their starters than we will.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||MSU is "probably" a loss?||
You are a sucker if you haven't penciled that "L" in already. Remember the beginning of this year, when everything was laughing about MSU's offense and lauding the fact that we had squeaked out a miracle 12-10 win against them at home in 2012? Remember how certain we were that we'd be the ones competing for a Big Ten championship?
And Hoke has yet to beat a team on the road that finished above .500. As much as I would love to believe that we will be competitive, this coaching staff had doing absolutely nothing in three years to prove that that will happen.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||So when will it be our year?||
When 2014 comes and goes and we're still getting rolled by MSU and OSU, what will the excuse be?
|30 weeks 1 day ago||a tiny part of me will always believe...||
but my rational mind doesn't see the Hoke era ending well.
For all those who are still chanting the usual excuses ("team is young", "interior line has no experience", "we're still transitioning"), I sure hope you're right. But I can't help but think I'm being told to buckle down while the ship is taking on water.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||Bill Martin and Dave Brandon happened||
complete incompetence on our last two coaching hires
|31 weeks 2 days ago||Is there anything to do in Tempe?||
Other than go to the Copper Bowl? I mean at least if the bowl game is in Florida, you've got the ocean...
|31 weeks 4 days ago||This may be an unpopular opinion here...||
but am I the only one who reeaally wishes Mike Hart had kept his mouth shut in 2007?... Ever since then it's seemed as if Dantonio is on a personal vendetta. He has made it his life's mission to destory Michigan. How many years in a row now have his teams played their best game against the Maize and Blue?
|31 weeks 4 days ago||Venturing out for what exactly?||
Alternate unis? Dynamic pricing? General admission? Rawk music and in-game ads?
I dearly hope Michigan will always be in the top 5 on this list but you act like it's some law of nature. It's not. Programs can rise but they can also fall. You know who else had a glorious first half of the 20th century? Minnesota. 6 National championships and 16 Big 10 championships by 1941.
Michigan football is what it is today because of one Bo Schembechler. Dave Brandon talks the talk but has not yet walked the walk.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Saban's "process" also involves winning games||
Saban went 12-2 his second year and then went 14-0 and won the MNC his third year. If he sold his recruits on winning football games he certainly backed it up. Meanwhile, Michigan has gotten worse every year and won only 3 games in a horrible Big Ten in 2013.
|31 weeks 6 days ago||I mean...||
I agree that the 2012-2013 basketball season was awesome, so I think it's more accurate to say that this Fall really sucked. In terms of expectations for the football season vs. what actually happened, I'd say it's worse than '12, '10, and '09 by a longshot. I'd even say it trumps '08 since I fully expected they would not make a bowl that season. And on top of that, we missed out on the greatest upset in the history of Michigan sports by a single play. That game would have been talked about for 100 years.
|32 weeks 47 min ago||this fall cannot end soon enough||
isn't the pendulum supposed to swing our way at some point?
|32 weeks 10 hours ago||you win||
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Btw aren't we supposed to get those calls||
at home? I fucking swear the only significant calls we get in our favor are phantom pass interference calls against Notre Dame. Maybe that's why God hates us.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||well you ARE wrong, bc MSU had 2 OOC losses||
And I never said to pencil us in for the NIT. I said that NIT is par for the course. The 10-11 and 11-12 bball teams show that Beilein is capable of rallying his teams to an overachieving run in the Big Ten.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Maybe not, but||
you're telling me that a team that returns 3 starters from a NCG run, with two of them being guys who returned despite being projected as lottary picks, didn't expect to do better than 6-4 at this point?
|32 weeks 2 days ago||It's not realistic at all...||
Last year's team went undefeated in nonconference play... this one has four losses and counting... Meaning to match what we were last year we would have to do markedly better than 12-6 in Big Ten play. Not gonna happen. A 6-7 seed is attainable with absolutely otherwordly improvement. 8-11 if we play very well in conference and beat MSU/OSU. If they go par from the course they will be NIT bound
|32 weeks 2 days ago||"It's what we were last year"||
So you are expecting that this team, which is now 6-4 without a win over a ranked team, is going to be just as good as last year's team with Burke and Hardaway... okay
|32 weeks 2 days ago||11 or 12?||
If that's what it takes we are on the ropes. Last year's team went 12-6.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Yes because never before||
in this history of college athletics have fans been upset over an underachieving team snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||This team is on thin ice||
Going 0.500 in Big Ten play likely does not get us to the Tournament. And the Big Ten is tough. Last year's world beaters went 12-6. We shall see.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||proof that anyone who believes in karma||
is a complete sucker
|32 weeks 2 days ago||here is my snowflake||
fuck sports. fuck refs. fuck 2013
|32 weeks 2 days ago||fuck 2013||
also fuck the phantom call on McGary. Sports refs are the worst. Cushiest job on the face of the planet. Zero accountability for bad calls.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||I agree||
Almost all the top HCs had to prove themselves at a mid-level school on par with UConn before making it to the top. If he's waiting for a better offer he's looking at an extremely fine window of schools that are better than UConn but still willing to hire a coordinator as HC. For 2013, that window is zero unless Charlie Strong bolts to Texas.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||Who do you expect to move up?||
Other than the possibility that that same Charlie Strong you mentioned goes to Texas... what mid-level schools better than UConn will be seeing their coaches move up? And isn't the UConn bridge burned now that he turned them down?
Seems more likely he'll be MSU's DC for at least another year.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||woooooooooooooo||
i love the smell of posbang in the mid afternoon
EDIT: 'tis the season
|32 weeks 5 days ago||this is indisputably the highlight of 2013||
may we remember nothing else from this year!
|33 weeks 3 days ago||Wait now, I remember our last Big Ten Championship!||
It's only been...*counts on fingers*... uhh guys, i'm gonna run out of fingers here pretty soon
|33 weeks 3 days ago||Because some people||
can't recognize false hope when they see it...
|33 weeks 3 days ago||You keep bringing this up as if the situations are identical||
If that's the case we should expect to see a Big Ten Championship next year, or at least 11 wins, right? Is that what you're expecting in 2014?
The situations are not the same and it's pointless to compare them.
|33 weeks 3 days ago||Just once I want the look at the MGoBoard and see good news||
Just once! All we get now is bad recruiting news, "what if" games lamenting our hearbreaking losses, and OSU vs. MSU BTCG prediction threads......
|33 weeks 3 days ago||I realize Michigan fans have seen some rough transitions||
what with RR and now 2013 being a de facto "first year" according to Borges, but why is it that so many other programs can pick up a new guy and not skip a beat. OSU picks up Meyer and boom they're 25-0. Wisconsin's entire staff has been turned over and yet their running game is as sound as ever. Nobody is talking about dropping Borges and picking up a spread guy.
Doesn't matter though because there is zero chance that this rumor is true.
|33 weeks 3 days ago||Oh c'mon, Urban Meyer has principles||
Hall will most definitely not appear until the third play.
|33 weeks 3 days ago||but but||
the interior line is young! We just didn't execute properly! It's Rich Rod's fault! We were almost 11-1!
|33 weeks 3 days ago||I'm not as sure about that...||
I realize this is debated all the time, but it's hard to compare the '80s and '90s to the past decade. Winning 11 Big Ten Championships and 3 Rose Bowls in 18 years, including the first National Championship in 49 years, improved the aura surrounding Michigan football dramatically - not to mention the domination of OSU during that span as well.
But then came the turn of the millenium...
OSU has Michigan's daddy basically since 2001, and we haven't won a Big Ten Championship in 9 years. That's pretty much '50s and '60s levels of mediocrity. And in case anyone forgot, Michigan football was nothing in the years before Bo got here.
The AD seems to have forgotten that, or else maybe they believe that somehow it's different this time, and people will continue to flock to Michigan football indefinitely.
|33 weeks 3 days ago||Well not exactly||
I haven't really heard anyone complain about the AD bureaucracy not having enough top level-admins. And it seems to me most of the MGoBlog community would be thrilled if they stopped this crazy marketing campaign where were have to sit through fifteen ads about weddings in the Big House every game. And what's with all of the spending on food, hosting, and special events?
People complained that we didn't bring in top level coordinators for RR. That's about all I heard. And the massive increase in spending is not explained by Mattison's salary.
|33 weeks 3 days ago||Not happening||
A more likely scenario is: Ohio wins BTCG and goes to the national championship to face FSU, while MSU goes to the Rose Bowl to face Stanford. It is then discovered that Jameis Winston is actually Jack the Ripper and the Tallahasee PD has been hiding it for 150 years. OSU stomps Winston-less FSU and wins the MNC. Meanwhile, Sparty obliterates #5 Stanford and wins the Rose Bowl, legitimizing themselves on the national stage.
As Michigan fans, this is our lot in life.
|33 weeks 3 days ago||double post||
first one ever! What should I do with it?
|33 weeks 3 days ago||sounds like a good set of rules||
BBrown has undersevedly had to take a lot of crap, and this will likely stop it.
On a side note i always wondered how that guy got so many mgopoints...
|33 weeks 3 days ago||well, to some extent||
I mean if the US goes 1-1-1 in group play and doesn't advance, people will be complaining about the draw, no doubt. And the complaints will be pretty legitimate.
|33 weeks 3 days ago||He's barely worth 24 million a year as of now||
and yet that's what he's going to be paid at the ripe old age of 40.
|33 weeks 3 days ago||Jokes on you, rest of the world...||
because America still doesn't care about soccer!
Okay maybe some people do. And for them, this admittedly sucks. Though if the US actually made it out of this group it'd be pretty sweet indeed.
|33 weeks 4 days ago||I agree wholeheartedly||
posting an interview is one thing. Posting a texting "converstion" (in quotes because 1 word answers are usually not indicative of an actual conversation going on) in which it is clear the guy is just annoyed at this point, is quite another.
|33 weeks 4 days ago||Sorry but I don't see the point in posting this...||
It doesn't respect the guy's privacy and it doesn't provide any new information. We already knew McDowell had gone somewhat cold on Michigan.
The only thing this does is set Brandon up to be able to say "I told you so" when McDowell commits elsewhere.
|33 weeks 5 days ago||After hearing the rumors tonight...||
Winston is toast as of 2:00pm tomorrow. Duke over FSU, Auburn over Mizzou, MSU over OSU, and 'Bama wins the MNC. Book it.
|33 weeks 5 days ago||C'mon, Alabama could still win the MNC this year...||
Sure it's unlikely but it's definitely possible. No way this rumor is valid and Saban agreed to a contract with Texas in the first week of December.
|33 weeks 5 days ago||not quite "just" a victory||
That would have been the greatest upset in 134 years of Michigan football
|33 weeks 5 days ago||Would have been the greatest Michigan upset ever||
And I would take that over any bball win. Urban Meyer will never enter Michigan Stadium with a 23 game winning streak again.
|33 weeks 6 days ago||this is complete||
bull. Every call to Duke. Every single one.
|33 weeks 6 days ago||well you guys are an optimistic bunch||
No one is concerned that Hoke has not won a game on the road against a team that finished above .500, in THREE years?
We'll be on the road against our two Rivals who combined have one loss in 2013. MSU has eaten Borges's lunch three years straight and OSU may still be undefeated under Meyer and the reigning national champs...
Not trying to be a negative Nancy, but when your OC has had like, 10 games under 300 yards and like, 5 games without TDs... and the head coach is HAPPY with the job the guy is doing... well, what can you expect really.
My prediction is that the line still sucks, and Space Coyote will have to explain to everyone how you have to wait for that magical year when all 5 of your offensive linemen are 5* RS Seniors with three years starting experience in order to average above 3 yards/attempt. It would not shock me if we lost all of our road games, though I will probably still go to at least 3 of them.
|34 weeks 22 hours ago||Don't see where you're coming from||
First off I'm not saying to run it down to nothing. If we had run a huddle there at 40 seconds the play would have ended with 25 seconds left at least. This is plenty of time to run 3 more plays, especially given we still had 1 timeout left.
Now, if you're saying that we needed to leave enough time to drive the field after recovering the onside... consider that the success rate for onside kicks is ~18%. Meanwhile, the success rate for a 2-pt conversion is 45%. We'll say the time required to drive within field goal range is 25% for both teams. So in that situation, the scenario where we take the lead but leave enough time for OSU to drive into field goal range is over four times as likely (11.25%) as the scenario where we miss the 2-pt conversion, recover the onside, and then drive into field goal range ourselves (2.5%). In reality, 25% is being way too generous to our defense. C'mon, 37 seconds for 40 (their 35 to our 25) yards with Urban Meyer's offense? That's just too much time.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||If you're so upset about this single play||
consider the fact that OSU still would have had 37 (!) seconds to get like, 35 yards and get into field goal range for the win. This is due to the complete and utter incompetence of our staff in spiking the ball on the five yard line with 45 seconds to go.
This scenario would have been even worse than the one that played out, and the way our defense was playing who's to say it wasn't likely to happen? Wile had already kicked the last ball out of bounds.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||But Auburn actually made changes to the coaching staff||
Which is something that in all likelihood Michigan will not do. Also, they won two of their games on some of the most miraculous plays in all of college football history. That's not likely to happen for us.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||C'mon, do you really believe that?||
MSU has eaten Borges's lunch the past 3 years. OSU will probably go out and get a top of the line defensive coordinator.
Weak interior O-line or no, Borges has not shown himself capable of beating competent DCs in either play-calling or game-planning. Even in 2011, when we had the best center in the country and Two redshirt junior guards, we still had games in which the offense just totally wet the bed. Why should we believe that will change next year?
|34 weeks 1 day ago||Would have been Michigan's greatest upset of all time||
Just remember, you are not alone... Doing my best to try to get over it, but fate has been so cruel to Michigan for so long now...
|34 weeks 1 day ago||It seriously boggles my mind that people still support him||
A careful analysis of the past 3 seasons says he should be toast. But instead, people are content on claiming one outlier performance in a game that we lost as evidence that he shouldn't be sent packing.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||This came up immediately in the live blog||
and was confirmed by the OSU players in the post game press conferences... Even when he seems to be on his game Borges is perfecty capable of having a complete brain fart. And some people want to keep the guy.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||the buck stops with the coaches...||
funny how for well coached teams, the players seem to always "show up." Does Alabama ever not show up? Do OSU's offense or MSU's defense ever not show up? This has been a problem not just with the current starting lineup, but over the past 3 years. The offense is practically 100% different from the offense that didn't show up against MSU in 2011 and the first 3 quarters of the Iowa game that year. And at least 50% different from the offense that couldn't score a single TD against ND, MSU, Nebraska, or in the 2nd half against OSU in 2012.
Funny how OSU is probably going to replace their DC next year, despite the fact that they're undefeated and possibly playing for an MNC. Just goes to show the attitude of the two programs right now. It's not like firing Borges would be some crazy hasty decision based on scant evidence. We have been complaining about the play-calling and game-planning for three years now.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||Honestly, screw Borges||
What did this game tell us? I'll answer that. Nothing we didn't already know.
Yes, Borges is capable of pulling one out of his ass from time to time. We saw that against Nebraska in '11 and the '13 Outback Bowl. Other than that his offense has been putrid, and as a game day play caller, he is an utter joke. Unfortunately, Hoke is putting all the eggs in the Borges basket. But the Borges basket couldn't hold a kitten. Don't be surprised if the bottom falls out next year.
Honestly I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer here, but Borges's record speaks for itself. A few outlier games doesn't change the trend we've seen.
|34 weeks 2 days ago||I don't understand this logic...||
but it will probably buy Borges another year. Unfortunately, that probably means another 7-6 season at best, and then what? I just can't see us every beating OSU or MSU every again with Borges running the offense.
|34 weeks 2 days ago||Umm no...||
one good game for the last five? If we had won it I wouldn't have fucking given one shit. But the fact is Borges is incompetent and the fact that he can pull one out of his ass every once in a while doesn't change that.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||Way to over-generalize||
Who is demanding a perfect season exactly? As far as I recall, we went 11-2 in 2011, our offense was far from prolific, and yet the fans were absolutely ecstatic. We went 8-5 last year and yet there was only a minor fringe group of fans calling anyone to be fired.
The way I see it, all anyone has asked for is that the team just not get worse as the season goes along. Is that really an unreasonable expectation?
|34 weeks 6 days ago||Your counterargument fails...||
First off there have never been ads in Michigan stadium, so that doesn't explain why they had to double and triple the ticket prices in the last 10 years.
As for demanding a return to a pro-style offense... I've never bought that crap. RR got fired because he lost too many games. A few illiterate fans tried to rationalize this by saying the spread just can't work in the Big 10, but if this actually played a factor in DB's decision he is completely incompetent. Fact is, DB struck out on Harbaugh and was allegedly too arrogant to go after Miles... beyond that, who else was available? Were there really any proven spread coaches who would have been willing to come here?
This is exactly the problem. Michigan fans look around the country and see teams that have improved as the season has gone along. And yet that hasn't happened here. That's why everyone is pissed.
|35 weeks 7 hours ago||These are pretty slick, actually||
I like 'em
|35 weeks 7 hours ago||Like, that one time we won against Tressel?||
2011 was nice too but in retrospect feels cheap. We really should have crushed them, and yet if Miller hadn't overthrown Posey on that last drive... oh man I don't know what I would have done...
|35 weeks 9 hours ago||Will be there in the student section||
an hour early like always... only nice thing about the current state of affairs is that I won't actually have to wait to get good seats.
|35 weeks 9 hours ago||Oh, if only it were so||
|35 weeks 13 hours ago||My roommate at UofM is from Chicago and is a huge Bulls fan...||
Between the Iowa game, this, and Michigan losing to Charlotte yesterday... he didn't have a very good weekend to say the least...
|35 weeks 1 day ago||i dont even know anymore...||
whuut just happened...
|35 weeks 1 day ago||Hoke will not be fired after this year...||
but what do you do after 2014? You keep bringing up the fact that Dantonio went 6-7 in year 3. Now aside from the fact that this proves nothing (Nick Saban won the National Championship in his third year, as did Lloyd Carr...), Dantonio also went 11-2 in his fourth year, won the legends division, and nearly made it to the Rose Bowl. Is that what you're predicting for Hoke next year?
Back-to-back 7-6 seasons and 0-4 against MSU/OSU is highly likely, and if that happens, Hoke is toast whether he deserves it or not. A win against OSU this year or a win against MSU/OSU in 2014 could buy him 2015, but how likely is that?
Maybe by the end of 2014 Harbaugh will have won the Super Bowl and will be tired of the NFL. Yup that's the best I've got at this point.
|35 weeks 1 day ago||Are you freaking kidding me?||
The buck stops with the coaches. Period. It's pretty telling that Gardner was a far better QB after practicing as a WR for 2/3 the last season last year.
|35 weeks 2 days ago||I mean, I'm always excited for the Game...||
that will never change. But OSU has one of the best offenses in the country. If we want to beat them, we're going to generate some of our own offense. After watching the past 4 games, do you really think there's more than a 1% chance that our offense can score enough points to win?
Am I really going out on a limb here saying we will probably lose this game by double digits? I doubt it. I guarantee Brian's prediction will have us losing by 20+ ...
|35 weeks 2 days ago||But what do you really expect?||
I'll always support the team and I'd never even dream of booing at a game. But we see the writing on the wall. Michigan lost their 4th game of the year and there's a 99% chance they'll lose again next week to their arch-rival. People complained about something on the internet? Oh the humanity.
|35 weeks 2 days ago||Try not to judge us...||
based on the comments of a bunch of random drunk idiots on the night after a football loss...
|35 weeks 2 days ago||Let me direct you to Mlive||
You'll enjoy it a lot more among your own kind...
|35 weeks 2 days ago||I hope this is your idea of some weird joke.||
Michigan would be nothing today without Bo. Nothing.
So sad that so many younger fans have forgotten what he meant for this program. And sad that the arrogance and incompetence of the Michigan administrative class (Bill Martin, Dave Brandon, Lloyd Carr, etc.) have taken the empire Bo spent his whole life building and virtually brought it to its knees.
|35 weeks 2 days ago||It's a nice sentiment, but...||
this ain't your grandpa's underdog Michigan team. It's 2008, 2009, and 2010 all over again. We have played this game before, and we know how it ends...
|35 weeks 2 days ago||I just don't understand how anyone can ever blame a player||
especially at this level. Their play is always going to reflect their coaching.
|35 weeks 2 days ago||Don't even try this...||
Good coaches make their players better and put them in a position to succeed.
|35 weeks 2 days ago||That's a huge underestimate||
We're likely to finish 7-6 this year... Hoke will probably be given a fourth year no matter what, but if he only gets 8 wins he's toast. And given our brutal schedule next year...
|35 weeks 2 days ago||I love how...||
all the apologists basically keep saying, "but the players are just so bad..." It's the same sorry excuse we heard during the RR years. Good coaches and good coordinators have done a lot more with a lot less than what we have right now.
|35 weeks 5 days ago||This thread...||
... is nothing but win
|35 weeks 5 days ago||Man this game was amazing...||
I was 13 but remember it vividly. In particular, I sat in the southwest corner... I remember going absolutely nuts after the 87-yarder to Braylon, before it was called back... Also, when Perry went down, the whole stadium started chanting "Perry, Perry!" The students rushed the field after it was over, and one of them had a sign saying "I took Clarett's test!" - that was pretty amusing.
Unfortunately, I don't really remember any versions of The Game prior to 2001 (I actually went to the '99 game but can't recall any details about the actual game itself). Meaning the '03 game is my only memory of a truly satisfying win over OSU... (2011 was nice, but in retrospect, squeaking by a 6-5 OSU team after Tresselgate just doesn't carry very much weight).
|36 weeks 2 hours ago||^^There's your answer||
and it's a pretty obvious one. They just spent millions renovating the stadium, so it's not changing any time soon. No point in even bringing it up anymore, it is what it is.
|36 weeks 1 day ago||So many young fans today...||
just don't seem to appreciate what Bo meant for this program. Michigan football was nothing before Bo got here. It wasn't uncommon for the Big House to be barely half full. Hard to believe one man could have such a huge impact, but he did.
|36 weeks 2 days ago||You guys are so disengeniuous||
This was not the worst of Al Borges... am I the only one who thinks Gardner looked a lot more poised both throwing and running the ball in OT? The only incompletions were drops by the recievers...
|37 weeks 4 days ago||I agree...||
I chose "get rid of OC and assistants" because that's mostly how I feel at this moment, but given that there's 5 games left that could possibly change...
|37 weeks 4 days ago||If you feel so confident about this||
why don't you give us some bench press numbers, 40 times, and verticals.
|38 weeks 2 days ago||Is this the least talent at OL Michigan has ever had?||
You're aware we just had the worst rushing game of any Michigan team in the history of the program. They got pushed around by Akron and UConn. The "youth" card only goes so far.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||You're being disingenuous||
There is a reason sports have rules. You are supposed to follow them. This "adjust to the refs" crap is nonsense. Our running game is a huge weakness for us, whereas our passing game is quite capable of being uber-lethal as evidenced by last Saturday. Nobody should be allowed to tilt the game to their advantage by fudging the rules. And yet I am absolutely certain that that is MSU's primary gameplan at this point.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||60 minutes of pass interference???||
I watched the ND-MSU game and every single PI call was warrented under the interpretation of the rules for as long as I can remember. In fact, it seemed like the refs started getting reluctant to keep calling it (simply because they were calling it so much) even though the MSU dbs kept on blatantly holding/interfering the ND receivers.
I was apalled that Dantonio actually had the nerve to go and bitch about it. Which calls didn't they like? Is their argument basically that no one could possibly commit that many pass interference penalties in a game? Even if some of them had been questionable calls, they committed enough actual PI penalties that there's no way they should get the benefit of the doubt for any 50/50 situation.
|40 weeks 1 day ago||Nebraska wasn't exactly lighting it up either...||
Won the fiesta bowl in 2000 then got torched in the NCG in 2001. Hasn't made another BCS since.
Probably splitting hairs at this point but it's safe to say times weren't so good for Nebraska football either.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||At what point do you throw caution to the wind?||
2 losses, if one of them comes to MSU or Nebraska, virtually nullifies any hope of a Big Ten Championship. The difference between 6-6 and 10-2 is just bookkeeping at this point. This staff needs to pull out all the stops against MSU on November 2.
|41 weeks 1 day ago||I'm calling it now||
The bright side is that Borges has been holding everything back all year for the MSU game, which is why we've looked so terrible. But it's all a ruse. He is going to unleash the Kraken on November 2.
|41 weeks 1 day ago||Relax...||
we never even wanted to sweep this series. Ideal situation is we win in 7 and the Cards sweep. Hello, anyone remember 2006 and 2012? Both times we swept the ALCS in dominating fashion and then lost all our momentum as the NLCS went to 7 games.
|41 weeks 1 day ago||I agree with not blaming him for the end of the game and OT...||
but the fact that we haven't had any semblence of a non-Denard/Devin running game over the past 2-1/2 years is Borges' biggest failure. I say 2-1/2 because Fitz did run for 1000 yards in '11, but there were still some key games, i.e. MSU, Iowa, and the Sugar Bowl where we got absolutely nothing on the ground against less than elite opponents.
Is it the O-line's fault? I don't know, but answer this - when will our O-line/running game be elite? Next year, when we lose our two tackles to the NFL and replace Fitz with... Derrick Green and a black hole???
|41 weeks 1 day ago||I really don't see where you're coming from||
The only "play not to lose" decision the coaching staff really made was to not let Gibbons try the 52 with a minute left. As it happened, he got a chance at the same kick and missed it.
The overtime nonsense was simply one of the worst choke jobs by a high-quality kicker that we've ever seen.
|41 weeks 1 day ago||C'mon now, are you serious?||
What team has EVER not just taken three runs in the middle of the field after getting the ball off a turnover in OT? We have a kicker who made 16 consecutive field goals - there's no way you expect him to miss two chipshots in a row like that. Imagine we had gone for the endzone and Devin had thrown an interception. What would you have said then?
I agree the playcalling seemed bad during regulation and the two delay of game penalties were absolutely inexcusable. The punt that netted us < 15 yards was also mind-bogglingly stupid. But don't act like the problems in OT were all on the coaching staff. Our senior record-holding field goal kicker just choked hard.
|41 weeks 2 days ago||To all the people saying to wait 'til next year...||
I have to ask... what makes you think next year will be so great?
We'll lose our two senior tackles. We'll lose our senior tailback. We'll have the same quarterback. We'll probably have better options at receiver... but that's the offensive position we're least concerned about at this point.
On top of that, we'll have probably the toughest schedule in recent memory, going on the road vs. Notre Dame, Michigan State, Northwestern, and Ohio.
So then will everyone be saying 2015 is the year? Bottom line is, public pressure is building against this coaching staff now, and they'll need quite an impressive finish in 2013 if they hope to defuse the situation before the offseason.
|41 weeks 2 days ago||No, the discussion most definitely started||
during the trash tornado.
|41 weeks 2 days ago||Northwestern 2011?||
And the Outback Bowl...
|41 weeks 2 days ago||Here's what Wikipedia has to say about Borges||
"In 2012, however things were a little more tough for Borges. There was a crushing 41-14 defeat in game one against Alabama. In later weeks, Michigan was defeated by Notre Dame 13-6, but Denard Robinson was to blame for the loss, having thrown four interceptions. Michigan's third loss of the season came against Nebraska, in which Denard Robinson got injured, and backup quarterback Russell Bellomy came in and had a crushing performance, Borges would be greatly criticized later, for not preparing then Wide Receiver and backup quarterback Devin Gardner. Michigan went on to win their next three games, before falling to Ohio State 26-21, a game where Borges was called out for bad play calling in the second half, where Michigan failed to cross midfield. Michigan lost their final game of the season to South Carolina, on a last second Hail Mary; Borges was not criticized after this game."
|41 weeks 2 days ago||3 of 4?! which game winning field goal did he make?||
Is there an alternate universe where Gibbons had one more attempt and we won? Count me in!
|41 weeks 2 days ago||Ummm Schofield will go early||
in this year's NFL draft
|41 weeks 2 days ago||What point?||
Sounds to me like you're taking a chaep shot at Bo. Funny thing is, Bo is the only fucking reason you even care about Michigan football.
|41 weeks 2 days ago||Sorry if I was unclear there||
the point was just "punting inside your opponents' 40 is pointless." Obviously I'm arguing they should have attempted the field goal...
|41 weeks 2 days ago||I disagree with the punt decision||
C'mon, how many fucking times do Brian and the Mathlete and every single other person have to point out that the expected value going for it when you're past your opponents' 40 is better than the expected value doing a pooch.
Punters just can't keep it out of the endzone...
|41 weeks 2 days ago||i lol'd||