I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
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|9 hours 37 min ago||I don't think the data||
I don't think the data presented has much to do with whether Hoke keeps his job or not. Hoke is Dave Brandon's guy, and as long as Brandon is AD, Hoke will have a lot more latitude than he would otherwise. It would probably take a couple of 7-win seasons for Brandon to pull the trigger, and even then I doubt he would.
|4 days 2 hours ago||Yeah, you're right, if||
Yeah, you're right, if Michigan had made that 2-point conversion, and had stopped Ohio State from subsequently scoring and actually won the game for the 2nd time in, like, a decade, then Michigan would then be playing in the championship game today.
Oh, yeah, that's right, Ohio State would be playing in it regardless of the outcome of the Michigan game.
Look at the bright side, Michigan's record in the Big Ten Championship game is still absolutely unblemished! It's still 0-0, just like Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota... So yeah, we got that goin' for us.
|1 week 4 days ago||Yardage and points are||
Yardage and points are irrelevant. Only record. Undefeated teams play for the national championships.
It was stated earlier today that no 1-loss team has ever played in the championship game over an undefeated team from a major conference. Now you may argue that the Big Ten is no longer a major conference, but that's just untenable.
When all is said an done, I just don't see a 1-loss team going in preference over an undefeated Ohio State team. A snub to Ohio State is a snub to the Big Ten conference and all of the teams that play in it. Importantly, this would be a precedent that no one outside of the SEC would like to have set, period.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Hence the difference in the||
Hence the difference in the choice of words between "rebuilding" and "reloading."
I suspect, due to a number of factors addressed by Brian over the years (particularly Michigan and South Carolina produce about the same amount of high school talent) that Michigan will not be in a position of "reloading" for a long, long time.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Or are we still rebuilding||
Or are we still rebuilding from Carr's last few years?
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Sorry, but this is so much||
Sorry, but this is so much bullshit on so many levels, and such sentiment expressed in Brodie's thread a couple of weeks ago.
First, "we" didn't go 11-2 in our 1st year, Hoke went 11-2 in his first year at Michigan. And he did it exclusively with Rodriguez' players. The trajectory was there, and Rodriguez stated, long before he was fired, that he expected a great year.
All that first year do was paper over what was a very uninspiring hire. There was no major program in the country that EVER considered Hoke a viable candidate to coach their program at the time.
Hoke was a mediocre hire but was provided with far more resources than Rodriquez ever was for assistant coach hires. The team has regressed to what he is (which, at Michigan, a coach is spotted a few wins, so mediocre is 8-5). None of this is surprising.
Next week will be painful for the team. But next year, with OSU, MSU and Notre Dame all on the road? A record of 9-4 is the most optimistic, with 8-5 probably the most optimistic. And 8-5 is what Michigan is. That is what Hoke's hire was all about, not 11-2.
Rodriquez' hire was a swing for the fences, Hoke's was an attempted bunt single.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||You don't even need to go||
You don't even need to go there.
Just hover your mouse over each of the terms in question and the mouse will show you its meaning. And I think this is with all of the charts.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah, but this high school||
Yeah, but this high school kid is 35 years old. Taylor is a little bit of a different situation.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||This was a case where I||
This was a case where I understood either decision, and I was leaning going for it.
The defense was playing well and if Michigan did not get the first down, Northwestern, deep in their own territory, would probably have to give the ball back relatively quickly. Didn't really work out that way, though.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Well then, GO FOR IT!||
Well then, GO FOR IT!
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Well now this MGoReader||
Well now this MGoReader doesn't feel very appreciated.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Am I allowed to start a||
Am I allowed to start an "Appreciation of White Castle-Generated Farts' Ability to Peel Paint" thread?
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Johnny Orr was a great||
Johnny Orr was a great basketball coach at Michigan in the seventies. He twice took the team to the quarter finals of the NCAA's, and in 1975 went to the finals, where they lost for the 3rd time to undefeated Indiana.
During the season Bobby Knight stated that he thought the 2 best teams in the country played in the same conference. There was no question which 2 teams he was talking about, and it was borne out in the tourney.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Unfortunately I think you are||
Unfortunately I think you are going to get a lot busier, LSA.
Appreciation of Appreciation
Probably 3 more in the 30 seconds it took me to post this.
|4 weeks 4 hours ago||I think the "execution"||
I think the "execution" problems can be divided into to two types, mental and physical.
It is one thing for players to be in the position to make a block, but just get blown up because they do not have the size or strength. For the most part, this is not a problem for Michigan.
A preponderance is of the mental variety. This can be seen from most of Brian's and Space Coyote's posts. So why all of the mental mistakes.
Magnus has stated a number of times that Michigan runs a lot of different blocking schemes. Zone, power, and others (admittedly, I know nothing about them), but run none of them well. I assume that each of these schemes have certain principles involved that dictate what each player should do.
Too many different plays with different blocking principles.
Brian's point, which I totally agree with, is that each player has a lot to mentally process in a very short period of time. And I think this is the source of what we see on the field, there is both hesitancy and assignment errors on almost every play.
If there is an overall coherence to the system being run, then the player can have a better understanding that will appear as instincts. However, Michigan has a cacophony of plays with no real coherence.
Indecision and confusion thus reign.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||What I think might be a||
What I think might be a little more interesting is if we play the University of Texas.
Greg Robinson, Texas DC, versus Al Borges, Michigan OC.
Man, would the board on this blog light up for that one.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Someone mentioned above that||
Someone mentioned above that a lot of this music is usually playing during pregame and warm-ups, etc. When I went to games back in the '80's the relative quite of the stadium during this time was kind of neat. People would see friends, talk, etc. and as the stadium slowly filled, so did the atmosphere, building in anticipation of the band coming out.
The band, ultimately playing "The Victors" was the absolute crescendo of sound, with the possible exception of a few really big plays by the team during the game.
I assume that now, like at UNC, sound is at a constant fever pitch for much of your time in the stadium. Which actually detracts from the drama and atmosphere.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||This is pretty much directed||
This is pretty much directed to the OP. Everyone else can ignore.
I haven't attended a game in Michigan Stadium since 1993, so I can't weigh in directly regarding your experience yesterday.
But I have attended a couple of games recently at the University of North Carolina. Keenan Stadium and the surrounding area is absolutely beautiful (as opposed to NC State's Carter-Findley, which was a dump). This was my first experience of RAWK music combined with the big board light show just wrecked the games for me. I thought it was really an assault on my senses.
If I lived in SE Michigan and, assuming the game-day experience is similar to UNC's, I am sure that I would not have season tickets and would probably only occasionally go to a game.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Stanford has a loss. If Ohio||
Stanford has a loss. If Ohio State wins out, Stanford is not passing Ohio State, regardless of schedule.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||In 1969, Michigan was 7-2 but||
In 1969, Michigan was 7-2 but ranked #12 in the country when they lined up against Ohio State. Also, the 2 losses were early, and the team was pretty dominant in the 2nd half of schedule.
This year, the only similarity is that Ohio State will be ranked pretty close to #1.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Agreed. I think it is fairly||
Agreed. I think it is fairly important to the program to get a split on these two away games. If they do, then I suspect that the line for OSU will stay around the 14 points barring something unusual on OSU's end.
For the OSU game, I just hope the defense can keep it within single digits at half time.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||That would be a rerun - I||
That would be a rerun - I think we saw that movie last year.
It didn't turn out well.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||That's 1 out of 6, and I am a||
That's 1 out of 6, and I am a little surprised that it is that high. Is there an associated point spread on the game? I would think, given its home, about 14.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Whoops, you're right. We're a||
Whoops, you're right.
We're a little worse off than I thought. This team could actually equal Bo's 6-6 season... and this season has similar feel to it.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||But hey, at least its a home||
But hey, at least its a home game so that you can enjoy it in person.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I just don't see it||
I just don't see it happening.
Another question might be, is the season salvaged if Michigan beats both Northwestern and Iowa on the road, and then the obvious loss to Ohio State?
That's 9-3, a 1-game improvement on last year. Pretty good and about even with expectations.
My concern is that we are going to finish the last 3 games 1-2 at best, with 0-3 a good possibility (more so than going 2-1).
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Comparing Michgan's defense's||
Comparing Michgan's defense's progression under Rodriguez to the offense's progression under Hoke (numbers are from www.teamrankings.com and include yesterday's game against Nebraska)
Michigan - Total Offense
The above trend is ominous with 2 away games and Ohio State left. I would guess that the current ranking of 81st now is going to approach triple digits.
Let's compare this to the progression of the defense under Rodriguez, with Carr's last year as a starting point:
Michigan - Total Defense
Unfortunately, pretty similar progression.
In this game, points are what decides games.
Michigan - Scoring Offense
This is significantly different from the total offense rankings so there is Barring a total collapse the last 3 games, Michigan should still be scoring over 30 points per game, so... But with what we all saw the last 2 games, and given the 3 games left on the schedule, I am not so sure now.
Michigan - Scoring Defense
Pretty much parallels the defense's yardage per game trend. Much, much worse than the Borges flip side.
The numbers and performance on the field are clearly a concern. Given how likely the season is going to play out, Hoke is going to have a tough decision to make.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||The overall trend has been||
The overall trend has been there.
I didn't expect anything but what was delivered from this game. His past has kind of indicated so. You can criticize Denard's passing abilities the past 2 years, but Denard also pulled Borges' fat out of the fire as well. It might have been a wash, but I really don't think so. The previous 2 seasons (and particularly the first season), Denard did more for the offense than ever Borges did. But Borges got credit in some circles.
So, Michigan has 2 away games and a game that is, in essence for them, against the 1970's Pittsburgh Steelers. While that is a sure loss, what about the 2 away games? At best, this team is looking at 1-2, with 0-3 a real possibility.
Again, the trend of the team. A worse record, a worse offense, and a worse performance the further away from Rodriguez.
To quote a deceased friend of mine, "everything keeps getting worser." I've always liked that.
And this really what this whole dispute, with all of the postings and all of the animus, all about. It really will end up being Rodriguez versus Hoke.
The further along the team transitioned from Carr to Rodriguez, the more it was in Rodriquez' image, and the better it got. Yeah, 7-6 wasn't too good in his last year, but the following year was all due who?
If the Sugar Bowl season was due to the brilliance Brady Hoke, than the following years' problems were back due to RR? You have got to be fucking kidding.
I think that Brady Hoke and Al Borges are decent men, but their careers do have never given the indication that they are the kind of elite that so many hope, regardless how many times either one says "This is Michigan fergodsakes!"
|4 weeks 4 days ago||In addition to my above post,||
In addition to my above post, let's look at trends under Borges. the following numbers are from www.teamrankings.com
Michigan - Total Offense
The above trend is ominous with the most difficult games of the season ahead. I would guess that the current ranking of 60 will drop below the ranking of 73 last year.
Michigan - Scoring Offense
I serious doubt the current 37.9 ppg clip will hold up, but I don't think it'll drop below 30, either.
For fun, Big Ten Conference Ranking:
Big Ten has clearly been trending down. With the addition of Rutgers and Maryland next year...
To me, the stats reflect what I have been seeing on the field. An offense that has been trending down for 3 years, while the competition in the Big Ten has also been trending down.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Sten, first I'd like to say I||
Sten, first I'd like to say I appreciate the effort of the post and it is good to look over the team numbers (the individual stuff is interesting, but not particularly relevant) together as you have them.
Also, while never thrilled with the Hoke hire nor Borges, I certainly think it would be very detrimental to the team to fire either of them. Not only would it be premature, but not justified.
So, looking at the stats that really matter, Michigan is 63rd (10th in Big Ten) in total offense and 24th (5th) in scoring offense.
So lets try to put some kind of qualitative description. National numbers look decent, maybe pretty good, but Big Ten-wise, below average. So, overall, we call this average? Mediocre? I don't know.
But I think we have to look at how these numbers were generated.
Context - It matters
The Big Ten
Out of Conference Schedule
Big Ten Schedule
So, presently, Michigan's offense's ranking is maybe average, and certainly below average when compared to its Big Ten peers, and is very likely to get worse. Given the state of the Big Ten, quality of the competition that has been played, and the quality of teams left on the schedule, this has left many posters here understandably despondent.