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I play one myself, and as an admirer of the instrument, I have to correct spelling --

"'Cello," or "Cello,"

is an abbreviation for the Italian "Violoncello," itself a diminutive of "Violone," augmentative of "Viola."

In Vogrich's case, I had the idea it was more the size of a contrabass.

did UM go Nike? This would still leave us with the '70's and most of the 80's.

It's sort of sad that, in order to save money, we've lost control of our own uniforms.

And maybe it's because it was a part of the Michigan sporting culture; particularly, although I didn't know it at the time, Bo's turning down Texas AM to stay with a smaller salary at UM, and later, as AD, sending Billy Frieder packing prior to the BB championship after he signed a contract at ASU. I probably naively believed that winning came from resisting the temptations of greed and money, and it seemed that way after Fisher went on to win the championship. Someone posted that Bo wanted to ditch the helmet design when he first got to UM; I didn't know about that at the time either.

Carr appeared to continue the tradition of winning without giving in to the pressures of big-money college sports, although, in retrospect, the MNC in '97 and the seeming near-miss in '06 draw attention away from a sort of meh-ish 8-4 to 9-3 average overall, perhaps the price of resisting the pressure of big money.

Perhaps the NCAA game has given in to money in a way different from the big-money days of the '20'-60's. Perhaps TV has driven CFB away from the community-rich seeming democracy of a fans-in-attendance-driven sport to a TV-contract-advertising-revenue-driven sport, with the transition accelerating during the BCS years. The economic pressures drove cream-puff scheduling that produced 8-home-games-a-year, more fan revenue and shittier matchups.

Through all this, the new CFB economic system has forced ADs to compete to pay higher coaching salaries (look what happened going from Gerg to Mattison). Increasingly, the ditching of old niceties makes the unpaid status of athletes in revenue sports harder to look at as the role of money in determining the substance of the sport increases.

I can't predict the future. The viewership debacle for last year's MNC game gave me hope that the corporate side of CFB had at last gutted the goose with the golden eggs enough to maybe push the balance of power back to a more fan-oriented economic model, and that the pressure to abandon historic traditions and to conform to the featureless and faceless marketing of CFB without a sense of place or history would abate, but, as the latest clown uni business here shows us, we are not there yet.

Whatever happens, I think that it is natural that, as the thing I followed these past years changes to look less like what I know, that I will lose my emotional attachment to it. It is like going back to your old hometown -- the more it resembles the way you remember it, the more at home you feel, and the more it changes, the less it matters to you that you once belonged there.

I don't use tradition against other fans, I don't think. In fact, the more OSU fusses with their unis, the less that feels like The Game as I have known it since we got beat up in 1968 (I think that is the year that Woody settled on the uni that generations of M fans have grown to dread until the clowniform business got to them a few years back). Whether its ours or theirs, I am more likely to remember the black depressions that came from losing during my early teen years (unfortunately, there weren't that many big-game wins; just astronomic winning percentages capped by disappointment most years) if the unis remain reminiscent of those years. My life hinges less on these outcomes now; if modern corporate marketing tries to create a new brand identification with me now, there is a long way to go to match the passion I developed for the "tradition" over the years. This is doubly so if the new "brand" is a knock-off of the marketing precepts being used in every other geographic niche of the country.

Maybe changes in the sport will make it safe to cling to tradition before the economoic pressures of the last few decades have destroyed them all. What Michigan football's trappings and traditions will look like then, I don't know, nor do I know how I will react to it or how much attachment I will feel to it.

I can only imagine some of this info being in old newspaper articles. There must be some other form of primary documentation to which OP is privy.

RE Lantry, I can only think "1974," as well as the then-President having to take his side when questions about that failed (?) 18-yarder came up at press conferences.

but it DID get there.

I was pleased by the time we left on the clock for Sparty to work with.

after three consecutive years of subsequent UM-OSU games in the last regular-season game and in the conference championship, the divisions will be correctly re-aligned.

It's true: sometimes I lie to myself to make myself feel better.

"Gripes ABOUT Borges." Some folks will click through thinking Borges was griping about something. This way it is more hits, but you don't want to get them this way.

I saw them, but I thought they were just images there to explain the vote totals.

the commenter's first name is "Velikovsky"; we should be encouraging him to try out his English and offering correction in a friendly way.

Also, if the rest of his name is literally descriptive, he's of the canine persuasion, and we need to make allowances for the problems of typing without opposable thumbs.

pretty happy with Kenny Guiton's performance as back-up.

Apropos which, where have we heard this before?:

That's fantastic news! Unfortunately we have to worry about this kind of thing for 2 more years because he's a run first QB.

this is a mirror of Michigan's excruciating OSU loss in 1974.

bubble screens.

was trying to get out the door since before '06. Nothing cost him his job; he was done as soon as he could find a way out.

it's about the same for the Big Ten, although UM's is better than the conference as a whole, similar to its record against the SEC.

an alternative 2006 scenario.

Let's suppose UM goes undefeated until losing in a close game to OSU, and the two are ranked #1/#2 at the end of the season.

In a four-game playoff, UM is paired with #3 U-Florida, and OSU is paired with #4 USC.

Judging by the results of the Cap-1 bowl a year later, UM pounds UF and advances to play either OSU or USC. If it's OSU, then maybe the outcome is like the outcome of previous rematches of regular-season games, such as the bowl matchup between UF and FSU after the 1996 season, or Bama and LSU in 2011-12, ie, the team that lost in a nail-biter during the season comes back and annihilates the other team in a rematch on neutral territory. If the opponent is USC, then UM loses by three touchdowns, but the outcome is nullified by an NCAA ruling four years later.

Under the BCS system, UM is talked out of its #2 ranking as part of an obvious conflict of interest between the talking heads at ESPN and the conference that the #3 team is in. The whole system revolves around the politics of money and influence with an increasingly SEC-besotted MSM, and the willingness of some coaches to cover themselves with the stench of shameless self-interest in order to advance themselves under a corrupt system poised between corrupt bowls, indifferent broadcast companies primarily concerned with money, and a strange entrenched bureaucracy at the NCAA. UM gets shafted, and loses by three touchdowns to USC in a meaningless beauty-pageant bowl, which result is nullified by the NCAA four years later.

Under this scenario, it seems UM's MNC shot is better under a playoff system, although perhaps not by much.

I was behind Lloyd as coach, but not sure since about his loyalty to M above personal factions. I think RR showed more loyalty to M after he got fired than Carr did after retiring.

is a step away from rational conversation, because it is a perjorative term and hence an expression of bias. It may be a useful shorthand in the absence of time for deliberation, but it belongs in the same category as "terrorist (as opposed to "insurgent," "freedom-fighter," "partisan" or "member of the resistance")" or "us and them."

My favorite movie quote regarding a breakdown in ethical behavior is from Thirteen Days, featuring Kevin Costner attempting yet another implausible regional accent in yet another JFK-related movie, in which the president muses on a meeting with his very militaristically gung-ho JCS with the following:

There has to be something morally wrong about abandoning your own better judgement.

It isn't so much good and evil as it is a question of how we respond to strong or irresistable pressure to renounce our own better judgement. I don't think "indifference of good men" is the problem; it is that sometimes doing the right thing seems like a costly, extravagant luxury. Doing the right thing comes at a price.

I think it is unlikely that whoever is in the position to investigate this scandal will ever have the authority or resources to do a full investigation. (The range of unanswered questions includes the mysterious 2005 disappearance of Ray Gricar, the prosecutor with the original jurisdiction in the Sandusky case. If this is indeed related, then suspicion could extend outside PSU to local government and law enforcement. Rooting all this out would be a titanic task that would hinder PSU operation indefinitely.) Our knowledge of what happened will probably always be incomplete and we may never know whether the culture that enabled the scandal has been rooted out. (Nation-building from outside is rarely successful.) The plausible actions, even up to the prosecution of Spanier, may still end up being merely symbolic while leaving the culture largely intact. We may never know whether doing the right thing there is merely inconvenient or whether it is an unaffordable luxury for the average person. We may decide we can't afford the expense of finding out.

The doctor who did MLK's post-mortem said he had the heart of a 65-year-old man when he died; MLK was 38 at the time. He paid a heavy toll, spiritually and healthwise, for doing the right thing. Heroic people will pay the price to do the right thing regardless.

The rest of us will hold back when it means,for instance, relinquishing or diluting our power to protect and take care of our own children; one friend of mine said "your idealism goes when you have your first child." Or as Gandhi said, "The drowning are in no condition to help others."

We can only hope we find our way to situations where we aren't consistently asked to abandon our better judgement; at best, we can only afford to stand up to a few battles and to hope they end up being worth winning. Among the people whose lives are touched by the Sandusky scandal are those who served under Spanier et alia who wanted, like any of us does, to be good but, for one reason or another, couldn't afford to avoid some share in the guilt when they realized the complicity stretched all about them.

here on some post or another long ago that Bo claimed he heard the officials gloating about throwing the game (on purpose). Disturbing they can get away with it if true.

If a right note is surrounded by wrong notes on every side, then it will sound wrong also.

A note can only sound right relative to its neighbors, ie, the neighboring notes need be right for the pitch relationships to sound right.

Or, to put it another way, if you had perfect pitch, you might find that she DID hit ONE correctly, but that only someone who knows A=440 hz when they hear it would have any way to know without other correct notes for reference.

Actually, FSK had nothing to do with the music.

The traduced composers were members of the Anacreontic Society, possibly headed up by John Stafford Smith.

Here is an instrumentally accompanied rendition of the original opus; the singer isn't terribly preoccupied with consonants, but the lyrics from the YouTube description are below:

To Anacreon in Heav'n, where he sat in full glee,
A few sons of harmony sent in a petition
That he their Inspirer and patron would be;
When this answer arriv'd from the Jolly Old Grecian "Voice, fiddle and flute, "no longer be mute,
"I'll lend you my name and inspire you to boot,
"And, besides, I'll instruct you, like me, to intwine
"The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."

(...)

Ye Sons of Anacreon, then join hand in hand;
Preserve unanimity, friendship and love!
'Tis yours to support what's so happily plann'd;
You've the sanction of Gods and the fiat of Jove. While thus we agree Our toast let it be:
"May our club flourish happy, united and free!
"And long may the sons of Anacreon intwine
"The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine."

..

were bros, and they were cut from the same cloth. Perhaps that gave Bo a tolerance for things about Woody that the rest of us can't stand.

I think Woody's social disease was just a lack of self-discipline and respect for others in the heat of the moment and what I will have to call a hint of malice.

In W's best moments, he was a model of citizenship and leadership, such as the time in 1960 when he showed up to speak to and break up a crowd that had formed in protest to the Ohio Faculty Senate's decision to decline OSU's 1960-1 Rose Bowl invitation. His words at the time went to the tune of something like: "We're not talking about the rent; it's just football. Keep your focus on the big picture and stay out of trouble. Go Home." His actual words from this occasion are actually quite moving.

But from the time I started watching football in 1969, W was always in the news. He didn't lose "all restraint for a moment"; he did it over and over and over again. By this point, we have to acknowledge a complex mixture of not compatible tendencies; the restraint and good will he preached at the high point of drama in the institutional struggle between academics and football in 1960 are not visible in what looks to me like disrespect and ill will for at least some of the people around him on the football field. Not just the adversaries -- one of these days I need to go and pinpoint the place in the film of the 1969 M/OSU ABC broadcast where Woody expresses the sentiment, to an assistant, that "you're in the way, I can't see" by shoving him and knocking the beverage out of his hand. Fairly or not, that is the image of him that resonates with my recollections of the years that he personified OSU football to me.

And then there is the running-up-the-score thing. All of this together I take as a hint of malice.

To sum up, I quote Wilhelm Furtwüngler's comments about the symphonies of Anton Bruckner: "It is philistinism to suppose that greatness arises from a lack of faults." So Woody may have been a great man, just not a very nice one all the time. I think the normal hatefulness inspired by success over rival fanbases is augmented in his case by repeated instances of not-cool behavior.

This is the first I've heard about Woody speaking to the team from TSUN; the mythology seems to be that he would never stoop to do such a thing. I know Bo was tied to the OSU family by his years as an assistant there, leading to the famous "Dammit, Bo!" story. Can you lead us to more info on the subject of Woody's address to the Wolverines?

is that he is an excellent OC who was fortuitously paired with an excellent DC at WV when he made the leap to HC, and exposed when UM cheaped out on a DC.

Would Hoke have fared better here in '08? Even without real money to hire assistants, I doubt Hoke would have ever put his secondary in the hands of someone like Gibson. He certainly would not have done as well as he did starting in '11. Anyway, I think the timing was as fortuitous for Hoke as it was shitty for RR; he got two years experience at SDSU, which was a promotion from Ball State, and the additional experience building programs. He also knew where he was headed all along, while RR found himself at an institutional dead end almost immediately after slamming the door on his first escape offer at Bama. UM was a little like Anywhere But Working for Pastilong to RR, which made everything a little unsettled for everyone. That, and a fractious and entitled UM community that was just realizing that Generalissimo Bo was no longer cracking heads and enforcing discipline -- picture Yugoslavia after Tito. As time goes on I can start to imagine how '08 could happen to either UM or RR.

From what I saw, entitled goons at WVU started making it impossible for RR to stay shortly after he gave his pledge to WVU. He built a gravy train, and then all the parasites wanted to suck off it, which is normal, and then they all wanted to get to drive it, which is also normal but intolerable. And all along, he seems to take the blowback created by the double-dealings of Pastilong, BM and MSC. (Gibson is still his fault -- here and at Arizona.)

I hope he gets a chance to set up his old formula for success from WV and to put all of the crap that fell on his head behind him. I think he showed himself to be a genuine, well-meaning and honest administrator as well as a powerful offensive mind while here, despite all the rest, which is hard to grasp after all the kerfluffle thrown up by the turkeys at WVU, the MSM smelling a "decline and fall" headline, the blame-shifting of BM and MSC covering up their own potentially firable offenses and, most of all, a rancid coalition of unethically ambitious local press and implacable RR-hating fifth-columnists inside our own AD. I hope, and we will see soon enough, that RR's departure from UM turns out to be a win for both. I can't remember if DB ever came out and said that it was all just too much to keep fighting back against even if success was on the way, but I remember getting that impression and at the time I though it was all unfair.

Now that I think about it, is was just plain true. At the time, I thought that firing RR rewarded saboteurs who put factions over program by giving them what they wanted. Now I think that it did bring the factional strife at UM to a quicker end; fighting it out would have, among other things, kept the old partisan hostilities on a permanent war footing until the battles had been fought to a restless truce, waiting to break out again. And against this, RR's potential was still unproven here and nobody was predicting an '11 season under RR that would be as good as the one Hoke actually had. I hope RR gets off to a good start at Arizona so we can all move on to greener pastures.

what happens after Rubinstein and Snyder publish a cowardly hit piece against the Navy SEALs.

be inspired by the example of Gilbert Gottfried:

it's an "N" -- if you look closely, the "M" in "Mike" has three humps.

mood-altering use of light and shadow.

to be a big change, the first thing I would do is get UM/OSU back into the same division. I don't know how deadly serious DB was about prioritizing a once-every-nine-year-or-so UM/OSU matchup in the neutral-site conference championship; for me, when the annual UM/OSU matchup ceases to be a central event in CFB, then CFB is a strange and new sport to me. You can molify me if you move the championship to the home venue of the higher-ranked division winner and UM and OSU both win their division three years in a row. In the meantime, the split into separate divisions puts our favorite game at high risk over time.

As far as VTech, I'm not sure this conforms to what we learned last go-round, which is that Universities make ten or more times the money off research grants correlated to membership in the AAU than they do off Football/TV. When speculating on conference realignment, I would consult this list first.

What's the latest on Nebraska's AAU status? Apropos which, this guy said the following, which I hadn't heard before:

The application process to the AAU, assuming initial academic standards are met, requires a vote among the existing AAU members. A relatively small block of schools can blackball a university. For example, the 12 CIC (B1G plus Chicago) members were not able to protect Nebraska's membership from the jilted Big XII schools. As such, Nebraska's membership has been put on hold.

that guarantees an LSU/Bama '11 situation every year, plus Appy State or Western Michigan advancing to the semi-final every seven years or so? This is fine by me, but imagine the howling if UGA had beaten LSU in their conference championship this past season.

on an OSU blog, for that matter.

My feeling on the OP as a whole is that clearly the MgoCommunity hasn't worked out its feelings about where the RR era fits into the 140-year history (after all, it's still not too long ago) and posts like this serve as a huge vent for accumulated explosive gases that might be harmful otherwise.

After Bo died, we thought we were a community and found out during the RR era that some people so put their factions over the good of the program as a whole that sabotage was possible. I like having the discussion out in the open better.

1965 is in.

"Bunce" is already covered below, so never mind.

Plunkett was the QB in the '71 Rose Bowl v. Woody. After 41 1/2 years, I can still hear the incessant bowl hype for that one: "Jim Plunket leads the Stanford 11 against the pulverizing ground attack of Ohio State." OSU is nevertheless one of three teams honored at the official NCAA site with an MNC for 1970.

By the end, the '72 Rose Bowl had a very déjà vue feel to it.

to your post or an argument with it in any way, but your post reminds me that we further owe RR for his part in a really seamless and quiet transition to the Hoke era; particularly his advice to his most noteworthy recruit. I think we owe him good wishes (except against UM in the Rose Bowl) just for the contrast between the saga of Mallett and D-Rob.

was the result of a Stanford kickoff return getting snuffed in the end zone for a safety; it looked for a long time like the game was going to end in a 10-10 tie.

The safety seemed to come out of nowhere, but M's next kick didn't pin Stanford nearly as far back and allowed them that last drive.

Michigan should have stopped going to the Rose Bowl after 1948.

were the subject of a Newsweek article prior to the Rose Bowl.

when you consider this:

Things were great for the first 5-6 weeks of the seasons when they were winning

As far as 3-9, even a commenter with an OSU avatar can see this from the banks of the Olentangy:

Michigan being too cheap to get Jeff Castell + No QB = Fail

This article doesn't seem like a huge amount of space to spend on a major rival. It is Spring, after all.

I thought at the time that we lucked out with RR because he actually turned out to be serious, even passionate, about creating a family atmosphere and with his focus on quality off-the-field behavior, emphasizing grades, sitting his #1 punter for OSU for disciplinary reasons, etc. I thought the lazy repetitions of the MSM meme about "sleazy" did a serious injustice to the truth about RR. I was/am also one of those who thinks three years is maybe one year too early to pull the plug on anybody who doesn't crash a motorbike with a mistress on board or something similar, maybe the opposite of giving Weiss five years, perhaps one too many. At any rate, all the coaches involved either way, and the schools that fired them, are going on with their lives.

I also think we lucked out with Hoke. I was covering my eyes when the talk was around Harbaugh and Miles; I had seen enough comments about Harbaugh from commenters over the years on this site to make me wonder how long it would be before something unpleasant happened with Harbaugh in charge, although he is very good at what he does. With the Hoke hire, UM continues an unbroken tradition of coaching with the highest ethics and concern with the welfare of the young ones under the coach's responsibility. (I'm not fooled by the Rosenberg/Snyder hit job for a minute, thanks to the detailed desconstructions we saw first on this site.)

It also turns out that Hoke is an aggressive but effective game-manager and an outstanding recruiter. And rather than cheap out on a DC for the sake of $10,000, our new AD decided to compete price-wise with the NFL to make sure the boys are ready to play.

A few breaks in scheduling helped us out last year. May the good times continue.

"Charlie Bauman Director of Pugilism?"

edit: Not to worry; he's already the punchline to a joke.

this, didn't you?

lawyers are that way too.

I had an acquaintance try to sue their lawyer some time back; apparently this isn't very easy to do.

Saw "gluta-" in there twice.

it was a rare excess; maybe Craig James rises to Rosenberg's level. I'm not a professional, and I suppose it would harm the UM brand to be the plaintiff in a libel suit, but I think the story was actionably bad.

until I googled it. It is here (actually, "Messner's relief"), under "The most helpful favorable review." (Brilliant for someone to get this to the head of the line for "favorable reviews.")

My google search first lead me to this article; apparently the author was unaware of any of the stages in Rosenberg [MR]'s apotheosis to the pantheon of sports writers. He writes as an MSU fan, without pleasure, about the weeks during which MR was exiled by the Freep to write about MSU:

The Free Press was cowardly throughout this entire process, quickly pushing Rosenberg off on Michigan State in the first weeks of the 2009 football season. Michigan fans were furious and would never have been responsive to a Rosenberg column. Although, I suppose you could consider death threats to be, “responsive”.

My fan base was stuck with the guy’s embarrassing attempts at humor for at least a month. The transparent shielding of this loser was shameful. I did not even bother reading any of the columns; Rosenberg’s writing makes people want to either shake their head or fire a bullet into it.

just look at the pictures.

(I've heard six before), but the major point (eventually) will be to give all teams a path to the title.

In the ugly-duckling stage that CFB is going through right now, the object should be to leave out as few teams like 2004 Auburn (undefeated conference champions from a major conference) as possible; until there is a real playoff giving an avenue to all teams, it's all damage control.

where, as we see above, the greater the ESPN slurpfest over the conference, the better the chance to have the places in the national title game decided before games are even actually played.

..

I had to recheck the title; the semi-colon is really there. Good catch.

This part:

I'm also embarassed a so-called Michigan Man has as poor of a grip on reality as Section 1 displays in every one of his thousands of bizarre, delusional missives.

I don't understand as well.

Are people saying the Freep Jihad didn't really happen, or what is this overwhelming outpouring of hostility all about?

when all conference champions are included in a playoff, the Rose Bowl could be the designated playoff game for the B1G/Pac12. In the mean time, as you say, it makes no sense to try to mix tie-ins with seeding. Hollis -- well, what can you say.

vs. the SEC is already way over .500, including the unfortunate Gator Bowl outcome.

When M starts winning out, the SEC will be no problem.

Let the rest of the B1G fend for itself.

"taint?"

I thought I could get it to work, and now my temerity is recorded for posterity.

FWIW, I can't get "preview" to work with embeds.

Sorry, everybody.

is a weapon of unpredictable impact.

tracking jersey sales?

This will always be first on my list when I hear those words:

Maybe this will be the epitaph for the Meyer years.

And the "best" team should be able to show it by winning their conference championship.

If you make the definition of "best" metaphysical enough, no form of knowledge known to man will be enough to detect whether a team is the "best" or not.

I am happy enough leaving "best" to the theologians so that we can at least determine the identity of something resembling the definition of a "champion."

offer to help them do it?

may be a good person to explain the fallacies in that argument (although not to do with his primary line of work).

has largely banned lead-based paints and use of asbestos in building insulation, which you mentioned indirectly (or did you -- "environmental contamination") as being analogous cases of long-term continous exposure. So one way or another, these sources of long-term risk were banned; is it your argument that CFB will not end up the same way, or just that civil action for liability will not be the medium for banishment? If the former, do you think it will eventually happen?

despite the SEC homerism. I had to look to check, and yes, there is a chart of total revenues that is the sum of expenses and profits charted above::

Football Revenue
Penn State Univ. $70,208,584.00
Ohio State Univ. $63,750,000.00
Univ. of Michigan $63,189,417.00
Univ. of Iowa $45,854,764.00
Michigan State Univ. $44,462,659.00
Univ. of Wisconsin $38,662,971.00
Univ. of Minnesota $32,322,688.00
Univ. of Illinois $25,301,783.00
Northwestern Univ. $22,704,959.00
Indiana Univ. $21,783,185.00
Purdue Univ. $18,118,898.00

All this aside, it seems to me that M has been successful for 130 years without the clown suits, Arbie's ads on the hockey uniforms, and $4.00 water. I understand the clown suits better after reading this:

In the past year, U-M has . . . drastically restructured its athletics marketing arm to include more than a dozen marketing professionals, up from three at the start of 2010.

A hammer looking for a nail?

As for not bringing the band:

"Brandon says the game will create a lot of buzz around Michigan football at the start of a crucial season." -- It has done this.

“One of the driving forces behind everything we’re doing is to enhance the experience of our student athletes,” -- not so sure not bringing the band does this.

is nice, but it's not what drove the vitriol."

When you look back on the carping people were doing during the last Carr (DeBord) years, I think that Scheme and 4th-and-3 were both part of the critic's composite picture of an approach that played not to lose more than it played to win. This was both here and over at MgoBrew, at least. Predictability was half the complaint and losses following conservative play to nurse small leads was the other.

Even thought the focus after the RR hire was on the aggressive sowing of confusion and game-theory RPS choices in the spread offense, I think that the idea of losing a game after punting from the opponent's half of the field was still a part of the negative collective memory that Brian and other UM bloggers hoped to move away from. That and the ominous direction of demographic and other trends at the time pointing toward SEC dominance in a dystopian future, in the event that B1G teams continued to rely on superiority of manpower alone to win games.

I think Brian legitimately thoughtat the time that the Hoke hire was a deliberate return to the good old days of pre-RR, which to him meant both the predictability of play-calling and dysfunctional conservatism in game management imputed to the old school of coaching by him and others. The relative importance of the two aspects of the old school may have become clouded by the arguments over "the spread won't work in the Big Ten." But I think both aspects were important to the people who yearned for a change from the Carr years.

I think Brian truly thinks we have gotten a new deal with Hoke, and his change of heart couldn't be more clearly stated than this:

I could not have been more wrong about Hoke. He's not the milquetoast win-by-not-losing sort. . . . I would not want to play poker against him.

The organization for BB games is probably something other than the MMB, maybe operating under a title like "pep band."

I was at GA State U. at the time, and the GSU pep band was invited to play for free plus a hat and a shirt with the "M" logo (it wasn't "split.")

Despite my distaste at the fact that the UM pep band wasn't brought down for the games, I talked my friends in the GSU pep band into smuggling me in with them. I am a professional cellist, but I had 6 weeks experience on trombone from a summer class in Brass Methods, which was enough to get me through the trombone part to "The Victors (an M-fan-in-Diaspora's dream-come-true)" and "Tequila."

I eventually wore the hat and the shirt out.

just post the url and let someone else do it.

from the '79 MSU game?

For some reason I get a feel that it's older, like maybe OSU in '74 (or was that with Joe Paterno?) or '73. How long did they wear the yellow jackets?

maybe it's time to raise the posting threshold to 14,000 points just to be sure.

they would flip to M the minute a slot in Hoke's recruiting class became available.

How are the UM T-shirt sales going in Columbus?

an isolated event; football emerged from 3- and 4-loss seasons (out of 9 games) for this high point between 1948 and the coming of Bo (1968 was a two-loss year, but featured the 50-14 waxing by Woody and his failed attempt for 2 at the end of the game), and then went back.

UM BB was in the NIT repeatedly in the early '70's, while Bo had us showing up undefeated and untied to the OSU game five years in a row. Bo only won one of those OSU games before losing in the Rose Bowl to Stanford. I still have nightmares about it.

Football-wise, almost the most satisfying stretch was destroying OSU's MNC hopes on an almost annual basis in the '90's, as Woody once did to us.

btw: 15 likes, 9 dislikes.

"boggle the mind?"

Oops, now I find this from IMDb's "Memorable quotes [sic.]" from Blades of Glory:

Chazz: Mind-bottling, isn't it?
Jimmy: Did you just say mind-bottling?
Chazz: Yeah, mind-bottling. You know, when things are so crazy it gets your thoughts all trapped, like in a bottle?

At least the Bathroom Buckeye didn't film using a bottle.

N seems like the least vandalous fanbase, and it's a two-day trip for them anyway, is it not?

RE user name: Is IhatSEC "hate" or "heart" as in the old "I heart dog-head" bumper stickers?

"never forget" and "decimated defense" in perspective.

opportunity:

That's the essence of Paterno's legacy: creating an unthinking paternolistic monolith that valued complete fealty to his cult of personality beyond all else.

Weinreb appears to feel differently about all this (blah blah "one of us" blah blah), but I haven't read anything worthwhile by him since at least the Sugar Bowl. I suppose that's understandable under the circumstances.

and conformist familiarity.

made the point, in a recent book, that the U. of Minnesota students who came 30 years after him are "paying list price for a cardboard car." Politics has dis-invested in education and much of the bean-counting of modern days is presiding over a major political dis-investment in higher education. The transition from tenured faculty to adjunct faculty and graduate students teaching undergraduate courses is a long way from what was accepted 30 or 40 years ago.

is shifting the burden of resisting capricious censorship to the accused.

You can seek redress for a wrongful action -- AFTER the "offending" content or maybe the entire site has been taken down (see Brian's UFRs earlier this year under existing laws). What does it cost the purported copyright holder to just try and see what they can get away with?

We've already seen the $500,000 fines and the five(?)-year prison sentences with which people are threatened for bypassing a $7-dollar purchase, and we've seen children threatened with these draconian punishments ("cruel and unusual?). On top of this we've watched the compliant congress extend the enforced monopoly of copyright from 25 to 50 to 75 years, far beyond the point where any legitimate creator would be alive to benefit from it. This conception of "copyright" is a mockery of law and order, compelling taxpayers and public law enforcement to be more-and-more involved in protecting access to and collecting private profits on behalf of private businesses, transferring the costs of business to the taxpayers. SOPA is in this tradition.

One other time when commerce ran roughshod over human rights was in Great Britain/UK between the 1640's and, well, to pick an arbitrary cut-off, the 1850's. Hundreds of crimes against property were capital crimes. Three examples: picking up debris from a shipwreck off the shore; picking up coal that fell off a passing train from off the side of the track; reaching inside an already-broken window to nick a bottle of ink from inside the premises. For these "crimes" children as young as seven were hung by the neck until dead, in the event that a complaint was filed by the property-holder. These penalties were not mitigated until it became clear that, in an act of unconscious social protest, juries would generally no longer deliver "guilty" verdicts in property complaints where a capital punishment was a possibility; ie, until cruel and unusual punishment ceased to be profitable. I bring this up as an example of what can ultimately happen when we allow civil complaints to be turned into criminal law, and when we leave the state of our society up to people who are motivated by greed or who are controlled by people who are motivated by greed.

"congressperson or congresspersoness."

http://mgoblog.com/links/bama-grayshirts-new-oc-after-oversigning-coaches

wow.

knows who is the "best" team on any given day. If your starting center sprains an ankle during a warm-up, then God knows your team just went from #1 to #5 in that 1/20 of a second.

The best that man-made devices can hope to determine is who is the champion, in accordance with rules everyone agrees to abide by in advance. Arbitrary? Well, what about all the times that the team with the most points is not the team with the most first downs, the most ToP, the most rushing yards, and so-on? Football isn't about who is the "best," it's about who wins. Sometimes the result is pleasing, sometimes not, but at least it's fair and both sides have a shot. A real championship should be the same way.

No Mackinac Bridge.

the SEC championship b/c there was talk of advancing LSU to the MNC game even if Georgia had won.

the 0-team playoff we used to have back in the polling days.

obliged.

the old system is fairly exhaustively explained in the MgoBoard FAQ and comments there; has the new system ever been clearly explained anywhere? Part of my discomfort with the new system is just from not really understanding how it works.

Someone did finally explain the "moderate" button to me. How about "karma?"

I used to use "moderate" when I thought a comment had been overly harshly labelled "trolling" or "flamebait," thinking it meant to soften or "moderate" the label. Then, I panicked, suddenly getting the idea I had cluelessly been ringing the buzzer in the moderator's bat-cave every time I pushed the "moderate" button, and started avoiding it like the plague.

I thought I would ultimately have to bother Brian with this question, which I dreaded doing. Thank you for bringing new knowledge and skills into my life.

you can experience it here.

Allow me to acquaint you with an early occurrence of the relevent MgoMeme (click here).

most certainly?

From site linked by "cseeman":

Finally, Michigan has held the record for most wins in college football but only for the past decade (2001-2010). Prior to that Yale held that record for 113 consecutive seasons and 115 of the 142 seasons listed in the college football record book. Princeton led for 16 seasons and Rutgers for 7. Princeton, Yale, and Rutgers were often tied during the first 20 years.
How did Michgan pass Yale? Through 1977, Yale had 95 more wins, a better winning percentage (0.76229 to Michigan's 0.73853) and played 108 more games and 5 more seasons than Michigan. In 1978, NCAA split Division I into I-A and I-AA (aka FBS and FCS). Since the split, MIchigan has chipped away at the lead with 0.72153 WL% to Yale's 0.55077, but also, since 1978, has averaged 2.3 games per year (112 total games) more than Yale. Had Yale played as many games as Michigan since the 1978 split and taking into account its lower winning percentage, Yale would still have a 2 win lead. Had Michigan played 112 fewer games (rather than Yale playing more games), the answer would substantially favor the Wolverines.

was in 1961; it was the OSUfaculty senate, and in paricular, Jack Fullen, secretary of the OSU Alumni Association, nemesis of Woody Hayes and of big-time college football, who kaboshed OSU's rematch with UCLA in the 1962 Rose Bowl (Minny subbed).

Fullen was eventually retired in 1967; I don't know if any AD's or presidents, let alone faculty senates, remain who can break the hold of the bowl system's web of bribery and psychological terrorism.

if you "Switch to plain text editor" and then use the html commands ("Raoul" excavated ShockFX's old html post from google cache, search under "html").

I have two grievances:

1.) If you try to edit a comment you entered under the plain text editor, it comes back translated into rich text editor and is unreadable, forcing you to start over again. It also turns all line breaks into [horizontal] double spaces. This can happen anytime, for instance, you overlook a quotation mark in a long html command. As of yet I still haven't had a pleasant experience with the "Preview" command, either.

2.) I don't know where to look for an explanation of the new board set-up [how to pos-bang, what is a "karma point," etc.]; the Mgoboard FAQ has nothing to say about the new system.

it was also his idea at Princeton and they discontinued the winged helmet the first year after he left. (They revived/reclaimed it again in 1998 (per "Helmet Project") presumably based on the reputation it has acquired at M.)

MSU apparently used a gold-and-black version of the same thing in the '30's, back when the wings were a part of the physical structure of the leather helmet. I think M was the only one to retain it after the switch to plastic helmets.

it was Carr's faction that conspired with Rubinstein to give us the first sanctions ever off the field. And it appears the Carr faction's non-support of the team, extending to endless betrayals and intrigues, contributed heavily to the worst three-year period on the field.

Groban is all on RR. This is the real crux of the issue. I think the dyed-in-the-wool RR haters really hated him all along for being more country than country-club. There is also no question that more wins would have held them at bay.

Among the many double-standards and inversions of common sense RR haters deploy to rationalize their spleen beyond W-L is their overlooking the fact that, if Elliot had treated Bo the way Carr treated RR, then Bo might have ended the same way.

the real point of S1's post, which is that the people who keep saying "SHUT UP We don't want to hear about it" are the ones clinging to, repeating and spreading discredited MSM lies as if they still hoped they could get anyone else to believe them.

was that a useful comment. I never heard of searching by image before now. I owe you a beer.

with the way Startpage and Mozilla are interacting with my URL line, but I don't think Mgoblog has a "www." in the URL; I ran across this when editing the URL directly.