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|7 hours 8 min ago||I can't believe you haven't||
I can't believe you haven't seen The People vs Larry Flint
|8 hours 31 min ago||I didn't get to watch the||
I didn't get to watch the game, but I assume Beilein was fired right after the game because we were blown out by 30?
|1 day 9 hours ago||You would think this team is||
You would think this team is in last place with some of the talk on this board. We are two games back of first in the B10 and we still have games against 3 of the 4 teams we are tied with or ahead of us in the standings. The results to this point are better than MSU's results at this point. I don't know if they will be by the end of the year, but the results are better than most of the B10 at this point
|1 day 10 hours ago||God I hate this board||
God I hate this board sometimes. Kid comes out with a heartfelt letter to pump up the Michigan fans and this board responds with snark and dickishness.
|1 day 10 hours ago||Yeah, who does he think he||
Yeah, who does he think he is? We as fans know this team better than they do.
|1 day 13 hours ago||Worked well the year before||
Worked well the year before when Baylor went up by a billion and stopped caring about the game. They said "we beat Baylor and should have been in the playoffs." Welp, be careful what you ask for. I guess they can hope for a miracle play to beat Michigan, a monsoon against OSU, and 9 minute drive against Iowa again in 4 years so they can get back to the playoffs
|3 days 11 hours ago||Does one make a pattern||
Does one make a pattern though?
|3 days 12 hours ago||I'm quite excited to hear the||
I'm quite excited to hear the bitching from MSU and OSU fans.
|3 days 13 hours ago||This is the first year in||
This is the first year in forever that MSU didn't get their ass whipped in the non-con but we always give Izzo the benefit of the doubt that he is just tinkering and they'll be fine. One bad season where the two best players are injured and the fair weather fans come out of the fucking woodworks. How about we just see how the end of the season plays out before we say our best player, a first round draft pick, coming back to a team that has a better B10 record than MSU, won't make a difference
|4 days 6 hours ago||100% this. I remember||
100% this. I remember Michigan and Michigan State were both on the bubble last year at this exact time. MSU won most of their remaining games and UM lost them. There is so much basketball to be played
|4 days 11 hours ago||If you have to mention your||
If you have to mention your 2nd tight end or 3rd receiver as returning starters, it means you shouldn't count them. Nowhere would they be counted as returning starters, unless you want to have up to 13 returning offensive starters every year
|4 days 12 hours ago||The only player that fits||
The only player that fits that description that was actually good since Webber is McGary. Everyone bitches about a post player that can play with post moves and someone who can rebound and guard the rim. Maybe our fanbase needs to readjust their expectations then. Beilein has proven he can win with regular old skilled big men, they just have to have more than a year on campus
|4 days 12 hours ago||Who has improved? MAAR,||
Who has improved? MAAR, Dawkins, Donnal, and Walton are all averaging more points, assists, and rebounds per game. Every one of them. And MAAR's disastrous 3 point percentage isn't actually bad at 34%. That is up 5% from last year, his true freshman year. So there is another improvement. Your low blows to the team are pathetic. You can make a point about Wilson without implying he's never played basketball before. You know who looked lost as a freshman? Costello, the guy you just praised. I swear people on this site go out of their way to insult our players and praise anything Izzo does. Our basketball fans are idiots
|5 days 49 min ago||In regards to recruiting||
In regards to recruiting rankings, we could have a starting 5 of top 100 players if we wanted. That is what I was referencing. Everyone complaining about recruiting rankings apparently doesn't realize the highly ranked guys on the team
|5 days 1 hour ago||Not as ridiculous as posing||
Not as ridiculous as posing as a fan of one team so you can troll on their message board.
But those two aren't the only reason for optimism. Since they are in high school, there really isn't too much to get excited about. Just pointing out these two have the exact skill set that everyone botches about this team not having and I have complete faith in Beilein getting the most out of them.
I've also pointed to every center but one on the team having played less than two seasons of college basketball. So yes, I'm optimistic that when they have a whole two years in a college strength and conditioning program that they will be just fine, like Horford and Morgan before them who were both ranked higher than all of them. Also, I don't really give two fucks what a Michigan State fan thinks about the centers on Michigan's team. Head over to MSU boards and join in the Izzo love fest and stop cluttering up the board with Spartan blowing
|5 days 1 hour ago||Doyle was a viable player as||
Doyle was a viable player as a true freshman also. That doesn't mean both Morgan and Doyle were polished and didn't need time to develop
|5 days 5 hours ago||We have one center on the||
We have one center on the team that has more than a year and a half of playing time under their belt, and he is playing better as the season goes on. 2 of the 3 centers other than Donnal getting any time have played a total of 24 collegiate games each and the other has played 50ish. Like I said, maybe we wait until any of them finish their sophomore year before we say they can't contribute? With our talented wings, we don't need them to be anything more than MorFord. But let's give them a season or two to actually bulk up and get experience. I think Beilein has earned at least that much
|5 days 5 hours ago||Don't forget about MorFord,||
Don't forget about MorFord, who were upperclassmen leading us to a B10 championship while McGary was injured
|5 days 5 hours ago||Wait, why is saying big men||
Wait, why is saying big men need time to develop bullshit? You are basically saying the exact opposite of anyone that plays, coaches, or analyzes basketbal
|5 days 6 hours ago||Your obsession with WD is||
Your obsession with WD is faaaaaaar worse than anything he has ever posted on the site.
|5 days 6 hours ago||Horford and Morgan were not||
Horford and Morgan were not ranked as highly as a single big man on our team now. Neither was what anyone would call athletic. Yet as upperclassmen, they helped get Beilein the B10 coach of the year award and we ran away with the B10. Maybe JB has earned a little trust from everyone?
|5 days 8 hours ago||I wasn't thinking Teske and||
I wasn't thinking Teske and Davis would step in and solve any problems. People are saying they are worried about the future because our high school seniors aren't ranked as highly as they'd like them to be. I was pointing out that we have plenty of talent. Teske was ranked higher and Davis was unknown when he committed. Wagner was just outside the top 100, just like Wilson. Every one of the guys I mentioned has played fewer than one year of college basketball, so unless you have a better eye for talent than Beilein, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Also, listing true sophomores as "busts" is fucking ridiculous
|5 days 8 hours ago||How about they develop behind||
How about they develop behind Wagner, Doyle, and Wilson? It's amazing our fanbase gives Izzo a pass whenever Payne or Nix or any other highly rated center takes 3 years to develop and then rips Beilein when his big men take 3 years to develop. So which is it? Do big men take time to develop or should they step in on day one?
|5 days 9 hours ago||They got blown out, twice, by||
They got blown out, twice, by Iowa and lost to Nebraska and Wisconsin. Nebraska is barely .500 and has a losing B10 record and that game was at home. In not suggesting they should have freaked out, but that is pathetic. My point is that every team goes through lulls and has head scratchers.
|5 days 9 hours ago||"Bringing in." Teske is top||
"Bringing in." Teske is top 100 and Davis's rankings are skyrocketing.
Also, DJ Wilson was too 100 and if he would have had an actual ranking, Wagner would have been top 50. Notice a trend with all those guys? Like how young they are?
|5 days 9 hours ago||Why do people keep saying||
Why do people keep saying they are concerned about the future? It's as if bringing in top big men, one whom is a back-to-the-basket scorer and one who is a shot blocker and rebounder, are troublesome to them. These two big men are the exact guys this fanbase has been bitching about us not having. And we are just writing them off because they aren't five stars? I've heard they aren't athletic enough too. I remember when everyone was bitching about Davis after they saw his sophomore tape. Really? We are judging people based on their tape from when they are 15? Or is it the extremely talented wings we are bringing in? Both scorers? Or is it all the sophomores, like MAAR and Dawkins and Robinson, who have led us to a 7-4 record in the Big 10? The expectations of our fanbase are their problem, not Beilein's. Our future is quite bright unless you are already writing off every single guy on he team, all the incoming recruits, and the possibility we sign any other good players. And the reason we have a recent track record of on-court success lies squarely on Belein's shoulders, so maybe we trust him a little? Nope, might as well be frustrated with the possibility of not being good in 4 or 5 years
|5 days 10 hours ago||Walton, Chatman, and Irvin||
Walton, Chatman, and Irvin were all top 50. Wilson and Donnal were both top 100ish. Just because we missed on some top talent doesn't mean we don't have an extremely talented team right now.
|5 days 11 hours ago||The trajectory is recruiting||
The trajectory is recruiting top 100 big men to go along with scoring wings, one of which just scored 65 points in a high school game. Just because you can't see us getting better doesn't actually mean we won't get better. Hey, remember when MSU lost 3 in a row, one game by 15 and the other two to .500 big 10 teams, one of those to Nebraska at home? That is arguably as bad as our recent stretch and I'm guessing they weren't freaking out and wondering if they were going to make it to .500 in the big 10. Is there concern? Of course. But the sky is falling folks are getting tiresome.
|5 days 11 hours ago||That Ohio team made it to the||
That Ohio team made it to the sweet 16 and took 1 seed North Carolina into overtime that tournament. They were much better than most give them credit for
|5 days 12 hours ago||Since Beilein has been coach||
Since Beilein has been coach at Michigan, he has 2 Big 10 championships and in that same time frame, Izzo has had 3. He is doing just fine keeping up with the rest of the Big 10. He was the Big 10 coach of the year 2 seasons ago, when he won the B10 by 3 games. We are 7-4 in the Big 10, the same as MSU, and we have been playing without our best player. I'm baffled at how reactionary our fanbase is with Beilein. "We lost big to some of the best teams in the nation. Fire Beilein. We beat Maryland-Beilein is good again. We got blown out by MSU. Fire him."