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|6 days 3 hours ago||Negatory, sir. Pitt's OLine||
Negatory, sir. Pitt's OLine was also stripped of talent and experience when Chryst took over, and its last two recruiting classes were decimated by no less than three coaching changes. Chryst essentially inherited a program on the brink and cobbled together some success. I wrote a longer post about this further below.
|6 days 3 hours ago||Some Context on Chryst||
I talked about Todd Graham to add a "boots on the ground" context, so I might as well chime in on the subject of Chryst.
Chryst is a first time HC, and the warts are there. Particularly, his cloack management has been poor, and some rushed decisions at critical times are noted; that could be the result of inexperience, but it alsio seems to be a running theme with pro-style coaches.
That said, Chryst has shown some real upside, and I've often used it to highlight Hoke's flaws. He recruits well, he's been getting some big name kids to stay home, and whateeeever else you want to say, Chryst can identify and develop talent. He saw Tyler Boyd, whose third to choice after Pitt and WVU was Michigan State pretty much by default, and saw talent; Michigan can't offer everyone, obviously, but Pitt fans were aware of what a talent this kid was supposed to be and what a big target he was for them, and he wasn't on Michigan's radar. Sure enough, he'll probably be in the pros after next year.
More notable, I think, is James Connor. Connor was a non-descript, 3* DE in his last year of HS. He committed to Pitt, and suddenly it was declared they wanted him to be a running back. Pitt fans shrugged. Yet Connor became, from his first year, a better RB than Michigan has had since Mike Hart, and with an equally talent and experience-denuded OL. I look at him with some whimsy as he does all the things I know RBs are supposed to do, like break tackles, burst through holes and drag piles, make yards after contact. Michigan wouldn't have recruited Connor anyway, because the kid had grade problems in HS, but that's not really the issue. Chryst looked at a no-name DE and saw potential, and then quickly realized that potential into performance, which are skills Hoke has lacked.
He can develop QB talent too, for what it's worth. He got Savage drafted, and that was not seen as a likely feat when he took over. People in Pittsburgh see his work with Savage as a continuation of what he did with Russell Wilson.
Boyd, Savage and Connor are anecodtal examples, I know, but I hold them out as examples of what Chryst does right. He took a program that was worse off than I think anyone unfamiliar with the program realizes, and has largely stabalized it. I tend to think given two more years the Panthers will be doing well enough that Chryst will be a much hotter commodity, which is, all-in-all, not a bad trajectory for a first HC job.
At Michigan? Well, he's obviously a gamble, but I think there are riskier gambles out there that are being talked about. I think more highly of the job he's done at Pitt in three years than the job Hoke has done here in four, especially given the disparity of experience, resources and prestige.
|1 week 22 hours ago||I don't disagree in any||
I don't disagree in any particular. I think, though, that the difference between Graham and the other coaches you listed is slightly more than an issue of bad etiquette in the manner of his departure. That is to say, nobody blames a coach for moving up the ladder as a buisness decision (or at least, not too loud or for too long). I think the difference is, it's expected a coach on the rise leaves the program in better condition than when he inherited it.
Most of the coaches you listed remained for multiple years, or in Brian Kelly's case, which is illuminating, for three, which is ample time to make your bones and to improve the school's situation for the next guy. The difference between one year and three can be dramatic, but I'm not trying to make that case, per se. Obviously Rice was better off, in a sense, than when he first came there.
Pitt, on the other hand, actually suffered from his year-long tenure. And that, I think, is more the issue. I think I made the comparison to Chryst, somewhere in all this, who had the opportunity to leave and did not. At a minimu, whether it was the focus of his decision or not, he had to be aware that if HE left after a year, he would be the fourth Panthers coach to depart (willingly or not) in a three year span, and a program already on the brink would probably have collapsed in a fairly definitive manner. I think the fact that he remained reflects well on him, and he has done a great deal to restore the Panthers roster and on-the-field product to, if not exactly the heights of football, then at least out of the gutter.
|1 week 23 hours ago||I believe he was at Tulsa||
I believe he was at Tulsa longer, but he was certainly one-and-done at Rice and Pitt. His departure from Pitt was used against him in recruiting with some success at ASU, at least initially, although I assume his extending tenure and winning ways will have silenced most of that. Of course, the more he moves around, the more some of that negativity will resurface.
|1 week 23 hours ago||I wouldn't contest that, but||
I wouldn't contest that, but as a counter argument, it is believed (at least by the locals) that Paul Chryst received inquiries about the Wisconsin job after his first year and had the opportunity to take it. With that in mind, Pitt fans were resigned, and couldn't really fault him (being a Madison local/lifer). The story has it he stayed because he understood Pitt would completely unravel if he lleft, and he felt an obligation to build up the program before he moved on and upwards.
Not groundbreaking stuff, again, just context. I do think most coaches feel an obligation to stay in a program for longer than a year. I don't even think Graham was much of a cultural fit, so perhaps it was for the best. I would draw a distinction between Hoke taking a job he was clear from the onset that he always wanted and would take and Graham, though, largely for the other, oh, we'll call them flourishes.
|1 week 23 hours ago||I'll add this too, but just||
I'll add this too, but just for context: he did face some of the same problems Rich Rod did trying to take the Panthers from a pro team to a spread team, including the tempo-fatigue we became familiar with. The pro-style linemen he inherited would wear down under the fast tempo, and their play would unravel in the latter stages of the game. Much the same with the defense, if the the offense couldn't remain on the field.
|1 week 23 hours ago||He's a Texas native, who||
He's a Texas native, who seems most at home coaching and recruiting in that region, so you may be right. On the other hand, never underestimate a freebooting mentality. He might come to Michigan if the price is right, and to climb the ladder of school prestige. In that regard, though, he would be a flight risk as soon as a better, or perhaps even equitable, job opened down south.
|1 week 23 hours ago||I was in Pittsburgh the year||
I was in Pittsburgh the year Todd Graham (now known in the Steel City as "Fraud Graham") coached the Panthers and fled. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to reject the guy without delving into stereotypes of accent and religion.
|3 weeks 4 hours ago||Cue gifs of animals that look||
Cue gifs of animals that look shocked....now!
|3 weeks 4 hours ago||It's fun how you can be||
It's fun how you can be anyone on the internet, isn't it? Except, as you noted, someone who can spell.
|3 weeks 21 hours ago||My first thought as well.||
My first thought as well.
|3 weeks 21 hours ago||The eastern world, it is||
The eastern world, it is exploding
But you tell me
|1 year 2 days ago||Sugar Bowl and the '99-'00||
Sugar Bowl and the '99-'00 Orange Bowl (Hail Brady!). So there's two off the top of my head...
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Being a true freshman QB is a||
Being a true freshman QB is a lot less of aproblem when you are A.) An elite talent, B.) throwing to an elite WR, and C.) Facing a team with no pass rush. Right now that's check, check and check. Which in not to say that we WILL need him at PSU, but on the road, in a very hostile environment, we may. But your statement was broader than that, and if you don't think we'll need him against MSU, or maybe even to generate some pass rush against pass-happy Indiana, I don't know what to say.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||That's, like, your opinion,||
That's, like, your opinion, man.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||It's purely anecdotal, so||
It's purely anecdotal, so take it for what it's worth, but in a similar situation I've seen a similar move produce positive results. In Wannestedt's last year, the O-Line was thin, the center an undersized JUCO. The Panther's got off to a woeful start, couldn't move the ball against lowly New Hampshire, got trampled and embarassed on national TV by Miami. They reshufled the O-Line and had a substantial increase in tehri play. They wound up with a respectable(ish) 8-5 record, which they likely would not have had if they stuck to the original configuration for consistency sake. As I said, it's anecdotal, but it impressed upon me that O-Line, like everything else, must be subject to change, and that change may potentially yield positive results.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Welcome to the family. You||
Welcome to the family. You will not regret your choice.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||It's actually a surprisingly||
It's actually a surprisingly well written story. Now, the key is it may not be a very entertaining story. But the underlying metaphor is very well crafted. In an age of movies without any form of plot or structure, I appreciate the competence of the storytelling as much as the homesickness inducing tour of A2.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||Surely you can't be serious?||
Surely you can't be serious?
|1 year 15 weeks ago||That's what I figure. Depth||
That's what I figure. Depth chart going forward has to look mighty appetizing to players who want playing time, on top of the usual assets PSU has. Silver linings.
I'd also say, it's reasonably encouraging to see so many NJ and MD athletes scatering across the Big Ten. To the degree that we expanded to improve our footprint in recruiting areas, that seems to be paying off some returns.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Also forgot G: "Bunk"||
Also forgot G: "Bunk" Westmoreland: Built low to the ground, good with leverage. His motto is "to protect and serve" his QB. Possible drinking problem.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||I've always thought of||
I've always thought of Barksdale as a Pro-style QB: real gunslinger, prefers to stay in pocket. But I hear he might have a real challenge this season holding of unheralded recruit, Marlow Stanfield.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Please believe me when I tell||
Please believe me when I tell you, just because an academic institution is accredited, that doesn't make it a fully functional academic institution. LOTS of schools in LOTS of fields have been accredited contrary to the common good of all mankind.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||You know, to the downvoters:||
You know, to the downvoters: that was a legitimate comment. If his offer holds true, with Watson's committment, this could be his last chance to commit, if he's worried about another DB taking his place. So...in the same manner as O-Linemen dropping earlier than they expected because their potential places started filling up: maybe it's Westphal.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Maybe Westphal?||
|1 year 16 weeks ago||It is indeed great to be a||
It is indeed great to be a Michigan Wolverine.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Spurs. Liked them since David||
Spurs. Liked them since David Robinson. And they're not the Pistons.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Oregon and Nike have had a||
Oregon and Nike have had a quid-pro-quo relationship for years. Orgegon gets all the trashy uniforms they want, and Nike gets a professional football team.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Is that....is the bear?...is||
Is that....is the bear?...is the guy?...seems like more of a game warden thing, to me...
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Well then I hope you have a||
Well then I hope you have a flexible definition of "soon."