always runs the vision of the HC. Harbaugh isn't stupid, I would like to see him get someone who will add to what he is doing and expand it. You want an OC who is bringing fresh ideas and good gameplans. Studying the best way to put your players in position to succeed. Harbaugh isn't calling plays and Enos calling plays doesn't get me all nice and tingly inside, lol. You aren't going to win in College with an old school style of football, you have to adapt. Look at the playoffs and NC game on Monday.
Can we get over this whole Ohio thing. You aren't beating the Bama/Georgia's of the world by focusing on Ohio. Urbs is going to get his guys before Michigan even has a shot. I don't see Enos winning alot of recruiting battles for top ranked players. I've never heard that about him before. Michigan has to recruit nationally, which Harbaugh has been doing to win. The talent in Michigan and Ohio isn't going to beat Ohio st let alone Penn st, Georgia, Alabama.
and coach. He was the best possible hire for FSU, he will kill it in Florida and already has good roots layed down here. Barnett is a great hire for FSU, amazing coach and guy. That is a big blow he's been the guy behind those great secondaries they have prodcuced.
Is an offense mainly consisted of having the RB directly behind the QB who is in shotgun. It's a down hill running attack with many triple option variations. You can effectively run zone, power, trap, wham, the whole book out of it. It fits best with an athletic QB who is a run option. Watch 49ers with Kap or Nevada with Kap and you will see exactly what it is. I would welcome it 100% if Shea Patterson or Joe Milton is the QB. Don't really seeing it fitting Peters as QB. I think Harbaugh has been wanting to get to it but didn't have the QB. But he's gone after guys in the past and missed that would fit it perfectly. .He may finally be able to do it now that Shea/Milton are on campus.
Is an offense mainly consisted of having the RB directly behind the QB who is in shotgun. It's a down hill running attack with many triple option variations. You can effectively run zone, power, trap, wham, the whole book out of it. It fits best with an athletic QB who is a run option. Watch 49ers with Kap or Nevada with Kap and you will see exactly what it is. I would welcome it 100% if Shea Patterson or Joe Milton is the QB. Don't really seeing it fitting Peters as QB. I think Harbaugh has been wanting to get to it but didn't have the QB. But he's gone after guys in the past and missed that would fit it perfectly. .He may finally be able to do it now that Shea/Milton are on campus.
to anyone in the NFL if you are asking me, except Sean McVey. Maybe he will step down and take the OC job, lol. But heck no to Morningwhig. I don't even know how 70% of these NFL coaches still have jobs, lol
I see alot of long developing option route concepts. In the NFL bascially every route is an option route, so the WR has to read the defender to make the correct read on the route. Well if you have young inexperienced WRs that is a huge issue. Most of the routes have WRs running 10-12 yards down field with a poor Oline. There is rarely a quick read like a hitch, slant or stick concept. With a young QB and WRs, I would have liked to see the quick passing game used way more to get them in the rhythm. And we rarely ever did that.
I thought you were talking about Frey as the TE coach. Ravens TEs haven't done anything all year either so yeah, not a Roman fan. I'm a Steeler fan I watch Ravens games, their offense is one of the worst in the NFL. It's painful to watch
Favoring his guys is the issue, lol. And I understand your post, you weren't advicating for him. It's funny because look at the two sides of the ball. Def has Don Brown, Mattty, an ex High school head coach(partridge), hopefully another ex-HS coach in Bush and Zordich. None of those were Harbaugh guys and defense is truly one of the best coached in the country. Offense has all of his guys,except Frey who looks like he is on the way out. And it may be at the moment one of the worst coached units in the country. He needs to get away from the "my guys" mindset and go find the best coaches, like he has on defense. It is so easy to have a good offense in football today. The rules favor the O so much. You can have lineman running 3-4 yards down field and still throw the ball, you can go up-tempo, DBs can't grab you (unless you play for Wisconsin) and there are so many amazing offensive concepts. And Michigan just seems to be regressing. I don't think it's all on coaches, I think they truly don't trust the players and that means you don't trust running certain plays. But maybe make the plays easier for the QBs/Players and the offense wouldn't be this bad.
But when they do give us a replay showing the routes, it seems like some is scheme and some is players. Outside of DPJ we don't have an explosive WR. Crawford and McDoom I believe could be good if they were in an offense that actually used them as slot WRs instead of outside guys. Gentry and McKeon aren't going to get much separation they are going to beat you with size. And then we have a poor O-line but pass plays which are long developing. I just don't get it. It's like a complete lack of offensive understanding right now. Peters looks completely lost, his feet are in a rush, he stares down WRs forever. And O'korn and Speight looked the same if not worse at times. We may throw one hitch and one slant a game. Everything is complex, NFL routes, with young WRs without a true coach.....
over Enos, every day of the week. And honestly Canada has beend doing what I expected from Harbaugh. Multiple in scheme, heavy shifts/motions, he incorporates RPOs with non-running QBs by using options like a shovel as the dive, instead of running the QB. I didn't like the move to LSU for him because they don't have the pieces on O to do what he wanted or the patience(not like there would be much more patience here,lol) But Canada is a great OC who I would love to have on staff. Watch Pitt last season and people will see he was very good, they were bad because Narduzzi refused to come out of quarters coverage with poor DBs.
I don't even know how we could judge Frey on one year. But I think our TEs were probably the best part of the receiving core so he didn't do that bad. I don't think Frey is the one designing them to run route concepts which make absolutely no sense. Gentry is a convert from QB, so he probably wasn't asked to block before in his entire life. The point remains that having 2 guys coach the OL is not new or a problem. You can get more accomplished by having your C/G work on gap/zone combos, while your T/TEs work on down blocks or reach steps. Plus the multitude of other diff between the two positions.
an O Coordinator, hes a CO-CO-CO O Coordinator if he comes to Michigan. HOnestly if I was him i wouldn't take it. I'm an OC and i couldn't imagine having 4 people screaming in my ear during games trying to give advise on what play to call,lol
IF you know nothing about him, except that he used to coach for JH. NFL coaches are horrible. I'm serious most of those guys steal their paycheck every week. I don't want anybody else from the NFL on this coaching staff we already have enough of those. I didn't say keep things the same. I said go out and find a fresh, creative mind. High School thru D-1 are loaded with amazing offensive minds. Quit settling for your friends from the Good Old Boys club and go get a guy who can win games. Kinda like how he did with Don Brown.
with Full backs and TEs. Most of the top offenses today run 20 personell and use a hybrid H/TE type guy. Crap our TEs only make plays when lined up in the slot anyway. PFF just had a stat how Gentry/McKeon led the BIG in production from the slot. Iowa St has one of the best offenses in the country and they are mainly in a Twins formation with a TB TE and FB and 2 WRs. And do some amazing things from that twins set. Personell isn't an excuse for being creative and creating an offense that suits your players. The Oline isn't good enough to just line up in I formation and try to run power all day. He better start looking for something, because the offense they are doing now is old, tired and easy to defend. I saw a 3rd down play yesterday that was a flood concept to the boundary and there were 2 WRs running outs within 1 yard of each other. What the heck is that, lol
too, have you watched the Ravens offense, lol. Again same old recycled names. The Oline coaching gripe is the most uninformed compalint on hear. Tackles do not do the same things as guards and centers. It is normal and imo needed to have two coaches on the Oline. One for tackles/TEs and one for C/G. Because the steps, types of blocks, drills are different for both positions.
than I don't see things getting better. Harbaugh is starting to look like a mediocre NFL franchise in just recycling the same names. There are so many excellent offensive minds in football, fresh, young guys that would be great hires. Dan Enos is not that. South Carolina's OC was a 30 something GA, they called up for that game. And T-Rob the Def coord is 36 years old. Both on their first stints as coordinaters and they outcoached Michigan's staff yesterday. This offense is old and antiquated and adding Enos isn't going to make it better. Come on man, he has to do much better than that. And what's with the CO-OC crap, get a top OC, and lets go. And maybe think about adding a WR coach while you are at it. Because the lack of one jumps off the screen when watching games.
You come on here and spread this lie about a kid you don't even know. OSU wanted Parsons, Meyer didn't make the decision to pass on him. They messed up and had too pass. But don't try to paint a picture about a kid being a bad apple when he isn't.
not being on the 3 teams from the media is a complete joke. Hill and Long rotated being the top CBs in passer rating against by pro football focus throughout the year. Hill should have been 1st team and Long should have been 2nd or 3rd on both lists
To be fair when Michigan ran the end around, McKeon was holding like crazy. So Michgan got away with more of a penalty then that nudge into Bush by the Wisconsin RT
That is not the case. You can see them build on things and set things up. They just don't have alot of bullets. And it's not like the coaches just got stupid. Look at the first 2 years and watch Michigan's opening and early drives. They were some of the best scripted drives in America. And then second half they would call constraints off of those. This year, it's just a very small limited playbook. 1. Due to an average OL, 2. Very young WR core, 3. Inconsistent QB play. I mean it's tough to call certain plays when you can't trust the players to execute it right. I totally agree that there are things they should be doing to make this easier, but 100% random is not what's going on.
We have a go to bread and butter play, it's Power. But the issue is in today's age of football, you need to have the OL to successfully run power down a defense throat if you are running it out of 11,12,13 personell. We don't have that. I am a spread power coach, that's what i run and prefer. It is actually hard to watch Michigan at times but it is what it is. Harbaugh's basic plan is power, power, power, counter, PA pass. He is banking on the play action pass being there, due to the defense overplaying the run. The issue is we don't have a QB who consistently hits the open WR/TEs on play action off of the run game. Thus the offense is very mediocre. It's not fun to watch at the moment and it's not my preferred way of attack, but it's what Michigan fans screamed for after RR. Now you got it!!! Now the offense we will see on Sat is Spread Power run team. They use spread formations, which can be 4 wide, 3WR, HB, TB (The most powerful personell grouping in footbal today if you ask me), empty. THey will spread you out and run the same power scheme down your throat. They also mix in RPO, Bubble/Now screens all the elements of the spread offense that are easy to teach and execute. There are tons of kids coming out of HS who can run that offense. There are a handful of QBs that can run what we are running. Until we can get one of those QBs we will continue to stumble on offense. It sucks too because our defense is pretty amazing.
Don't have a problem with the 1st timeout, especially in the first half. It's coming out of the timeout and still not knowing what you are doing, so you call a 2nd. That is an issue, lol
is a play I brought up yesterday. That one play can be used to possibly show the difference in their O coaches being superior to ours(in this game) They have scored off that play 2 weeks in a row, they switched the formation up vs us but it was the same exact play. Michiga ran a version of the same play the drive before Wisconsin scored on it, that was the DPJ reverse. On Wis play, they are basically showing RB counter and then running a counter to their counter. It is extremely hard to stop it with the reads their oline show. But Bush is actually in position to have the play stopped, which is an amazing play by him, except for one thing. Wis designed every detail of this play perfectly. THe RT climbs like he's blocking down on counter but he isn't trying to block any interior guy on the climb and he isn't trying to get outside to a safety. He is climbing and then peels back to block the MLB which was Bush. Bush did an amazing job reading the Guard's false pull, treading water, finding the ball and then attacking the ball aggressively. The Wisconsin RT was in position and just clipped Bush to stop him from getting to the ball carrier. If that RT isn't there I 100% believe this is a 5-6 yard gain at best. That is designing a blocking scheme to every detail. Contrast that with the DPJ play, first off Wisconsin got 2 down blocks on Mich DE and OLB. Mich had McKeon try to base/kick out the Wis OLB (17) which is a hard block to make on a reverse that is a slow developing play. Cole pass set and then pulled outside to get to the edge to block the CB. 17 beats McKeon (who has to hold to stop it from being a 5 yard loss) and gets in Cole's way to slow him from getting to the edge. DPJ makes a good play for a 1st down but the blocking idea and scheme is inferior to the way Wis drew up bascially the same play. That one play where Wisconsin coaches were superior in play design to ours is basically the game. The life and momentum of this team was finished after they scored that TD. That being said this coaching staff can coach, i've sat with Drevno and talked XandOs, the man knows his stuff. But as a coach you have to trust your players to run the schemes you put in. I truly believe they don't trust them as much as in the past. Because Harbaugh has one of the most complex and amazing run packages in all of football. We just aren't seeing much of it this year.
when they were up 14-10 is what ended this game, lol. You try to stop this play. Def was still playing very good and this just ended it. This play is Glorious!!! Look at the oline. They ran this last week for a TD vs Iowa and when i was watching the clips of it prior to the game, I was thinking please don't pull this out again. I mean you can't run it two weeks in a row, can you lol. Amazing thing is Bush almost stops this play. He had the angle and would have stopped the ball carrier i believe for a short gain, def not a TD. But the design to have the RT climb and then peel back on the Mike is such an amazing play design. Most people wouldn't think that far, they would just bet on the ball carrier beating the Mike. But this is by design because the RT did the same thing vs Iowa last week, even though the Iowa Mike had no shot at the ball carrier. The fact that Bush could read the false key but instead of flying out the box, keep reading and wait for the counter and then attack shows how truly special that kid is. He just couldn't beat that peel back block to make the play in time.
I think he is too, He has missed on a few QBs that would have def allowed him to run it. But I do believe as soon as he gets that QB, we will see transition more to it. One thing I know, is that Harbaugh knows all types of offenses. And the guy is a sponge with staying up on new offensive schemes. I remember going to the Michigan coaches clinic 2 years ago and him and his dad are sitting next to me, listnening to a High School coach talk Offense and Harbaugh was taking as many notes as me. This team will be fine, he just has to get his pieces in place.
I don't think we need to either. Milton can run and has an arm. He needs to refine his accuracy, which i think he will. I'm speaking more to the scheme. You can run a spread/RPO offense without even running your QB. You can use Power Read scheme and add a shovel to be the dive, (which Harbaugh called vs Indiana on the delay of game call). We can run run/pass options. Power with a stick route by TE, or power with a hitch/slant route by a WR. All i'm saying is it seems like they are making it so much more difficult than it has to be. QBs come in from high school with in depth knowledge of RPO systems which mesh well with any type of offense.
I mean even look at Harbaugh's best years in the NFL. He had Kap and ran pistol/Power Spread concepts and lit up the NFL. I always assumed he would look for similar QBs that could run that type of offense. I'm hoping Milton can refine his tools enough and be the guy. Because if this O is going to continue to revolve around 15 yard deep routes, and 22 personell formations forever, we may continue to see the same issues. Defenses are just too good nowadays and 90% of high school players aren't running anything that looks like our present offense. Look at Bama, Saban changed his offense for a reason!
It is not hard to have an explosive offensive in college football today, if you have an explosive athlete at QB. High Schools are filled with explosive QBs who can run and throw the ball. Who master spread offenses and can start day 1 in college. As long as we are in a pro style offense it is going to take extremely good QB recruiting to land one of those 2-3 QBs who can actually run the offense at an elite level. Not to mention finding the OL that can line up and maul defenses with 8 in the box.
Moorehead to those who follow coaching and XandO's is a highly acclaimed OC. There is a great article about his time at Fordham. He will be a top OC for a while, probably a head coach soon. But Moorehead would be my choice. This game was lost by coaching more than anything, he came out and put on a coaching clinic Sat night vs Don Brown.
Have been the Jet sweep vs Cincy for around 40yds, WR screen for 37ish, punt return for a TD and a converted 1st down on a drag route. Get that man the ball. I would love to see more hitches, slants, slot option routes and drags to get the ball out quick and in the hands of our WRs.
Lol yeah me too. The offense def needs work all over. But the coaches have been very vanilla in the red zone so far. They called the same flood concept on 1st down 3 of the first 4 RZ opportunities. On the 4th attempt Speight should have hit Perry for an easy 12 yard completion, that's on Speight. It looks like they clearly thought they could win with that concept in the RZ vs AF. I assume we will see a more diverse plan this week. But again we have to remember these are all new WRs and they may not trust them as much as they did Darboh/Chesson last year. Both very good WRs who are in the NFL right now. I would like to see DPJ used in more creative ways in the RZ, Peppers was a big RZ threat early on in the year last year. DPJ could provide that same kind of spark
One thing that i think really hampered us is the 5-7 step pass game in the red zone vs AF blitz. On the 2nd RZ trip on 1st down. It's basically the same play as the 1st down on the previous drive. Perry is running a bench route(Deep outt), Crawford a vertical route. So they are running a flood concept without a 3rd underneath flat route. On the first drive Black ran a drag this time he is running what looks like a post. It's play action so you are going to get some sort of deeper route combinations. This is a sound RZ concept but usually you have a 3rd short flood right to the 2 WR side. That route would have come open right away or the Blitzing LB may have been coached to cover it which would have given Speight more time to hit Black who was coming open on the Post. Also simply calling off the play action and just having Black run a slant would have been a good play IMO. Michigan was calling alot of deep routes in the RZ and AF was blitzing like crazy. It was mostly Cover 1 or 0 by AF so some quick slants/flats would have def been open and allowed Speight to get rid of the ball quickly. Again this is AF calling some good def plays and Michigan early on looking like they weren't expecting the blitz as much. And for the second drive we are at 2nd and 10 because of an incomplete pass on 1st down. Tough way to start in the RZ. But i wouldn't say these first two attempts are bad play by Speight. He has very little time. On the 3rd down play where Perry came open, yes he could have saw him but he saw green and was looking to run. If Crawford runs to the corner of the EZ Speight either scores or gets down inside the 5, or throws a TD to Crawford. On the 3rd RZ opportunity Michigan coaches seem to try to adjust to what they've seen earlier. They call a 1st down run to try to get to a managable 2nd down. AF just blows this up. On 2nd down they motion Perry and run double slants with a flat route from Perry. A great call vs the heavy blitzing they have seen from AF the first 2 attempts. But AF doesn't blitz they show man with the defender following Perry but then run a combo coverage and pass Perry off to the slot defender. That is just great defense. If AF was blitzing they would have stll probably been in Cover 0 or 1 and the slant or flat should have been open. But they rushed 4 and covered everything. And then on 3rd down AF blitzes and plays cover 0 again. And we run right into a wall of AF defenders. THis was a greatly disguised blitz and as the video pointed out it was too late to check out. That's 3 drives where AF is just winning the battle in the RZ with great play calls and great discipline and open field tackling by the defense. Honestly i don't feel like Purdue is coached as well or plays as well on defense. I think we will see a much better offensive output this Saturday.
I haven't read the article yet, but to me it seems like we are passing alot on 1st down in the red zone. Usual RZ sequence seems to be Inc pass, 1-2 yard run, inc pass. 0 yards on 1st down in the RZ is a killer.
Well New Mexico does have the most amazing offense of all time. I love that 3 RB, Triple option they run out of the shotgun!!! But it's kind of funny they give Air Force so much trouble since that is an offense their defense gets to see every day
Air Force is not a team that gets dominated. The eat up the clock on Off and limit your possessions. They reload with grown men who are juniors and seniors. This is not a team that you just come in and dominate. On top of that the def play calling was very good. They blitzed often but it came from many different spots. Nickels, corners LBs, safeties. And they did a wonderful job at timing it. I hated our playcalling in the red zone this game. We rarely attacked their blitz, they have forgotten about RB screens and honestly they should have called more WR screens.
Who are you using for your wifi? When i moved to Miami last June i got hit with that cap and didn't know it. I had wi-fi only and had a $550 bill. I hate Comcast with the passion but they still seem to be the best option for internet service.
Who are you using for your wifi? When i moved to Miami last June i got hit with that cap and didn't know it. I had wi-fi only and had a $550 bill. I hate Comcast with the passion but they still seem to be the best option for internet service.
Yep this is true and the RB had to help on Gary too. There was no RB to help on Winovich because Gary just collapsed the whole interior of the Oline on the snap. That was one of the craziest things i've seen from a Dlineman ever
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always runs the vision of the HC. Harbaugh isn't stupid, I would like to see him get someone who will add to what he is doing and expand it. You want an OC who is bringing fresh ideas and good gameplans. Studying the best way to put your players in position to succeed. Harbaugh isn't calling plays and Enos calling plays doesn't get me all nice and tingly inside, lol. You aren't going to win in College with an old school style of football, you have to adapt. Look at the playoffs and NC game on Monday.
right, this must be sarcasm.
Can we get over this whole Ohio thing. You aren't beating the Bama/Georgia's of the world by focusing on Ohio. Urbs is going to get his guys before Michigan even has a shot. I don't see Enos winning alot of recruiting battles for top ranked players. I've never heard that about him before. Michigan has to recruit nationally, which Harbaugh has been doing to win. The talent in Michigan and Ohio isn't going to beat Ohio st let alone Penn st, Georgia, Alabama.
It seems Harbaugh will go get the best guy for Defense but not on offense. NO way Enos is the best option you have for Michigan Off Coord.
I'm sorry there are just alot better options for OC. But we will see. I hope he can do amazing things with the offense.
that program was a mess, He was bringing in a great class and they would have been back to the top of the Pac-12
and coach. He was the best possible hire for FSU, he will kill it in Florida and already has good roots layed down here. Barnett is a great hire for FSU, amazing coach and guy. That is a big blow he's been the guy behind those great secondaries they have prodcuced.
Is an offense mainly consisted of having the RB directly behind the QB who is in shotgun. It's a down hill running attack with many triple option variations. You can effectively run zone, power, trap, wham, the whole book out of it. It fits best with an athletic QB who is a run option. Watch 49ers with Kap or Nevada with Kap and you will see exactly what it is. I would welcome it 100% if Shea Patterson or Joe Milton is the QB. Don't really seeing it fitting Peters as QB. I think Harbaugh has been wanting to get to it but didn't have the QB. But he's gone after guys in the past and missed that would fit it perfectly. .He may finally be able to do it now that Shea/Milton are on campus.
Is an offense mainly consisted of having the RB directly behind the QB who is in shotgun. It's a down hill running attack with many triple option variations. You can effectively run zone, power, trap, wham, the whole book out of it. It fits best with an athletic QB who is a run option. Watch 49ers with Kap or Nevada with Kap and you will see exactly what it is. I would welcome it 100% if Shea Patterson or Joe Milton is the QB. Don't really seeing it fitting Peters as QB. I think Harbaugh has been wanting to get to it but didn't have the QB. But he's gone after guys in the past and missed that would fit it perfectly. .He may finally be able to do it now that Shea/Milton are on campus.
to anyone in the NFL if you are asking me, except Sean McVey. Maybe he will step down and take the OC job, lol. But heck no to Morningwhig. I don't even know how 70% of these NFL coaches still have jobs, lol
I see alot of long developing option route concepts. In the NFL bascially every route is an option route, so the WR has to read the defender to make the correct read on the route. Well if you have young inexperienced WRs that is a huge issue. Most of the routes have WRs running 10-12 yards down field with a poor Oline. There is rarely a quick read like a hitch, slant or stick concept. With a young QB and WRs, I would have liked to see the quick passing game used way more to get them in the rhythm. And we rarely ever did that.
I thought you were talking about Frey as the TE coach. Ravens TEs haven't done anything all year either so yeah, not a Roman fan. I'm a Steeler fan I watch Ravens games, their offense is one of the worst in the NFL. It's painful to watch
Favoring his guys is the issue, lol. And I understand your post, you weren't advicating for him. It's funny because look at the two sides of the ball. Def has Don Brown, Mattty, an ex High school head coach(partridge), hopefully another ex-HS coach in Bush and Zordich. None of those were Harbaugh guys and defense is truly one of the best coached in the country. Offense has all of his guys,except Frey who looks like he is on the way out. And it may be at the moment one of the worst coached units in the country. He needs to get away from the "my guys" mindset and go find the best coaches, like he has on defense. It is so easy to have a good offense in football today. The rules favor the O so much. You can have lineman running 3-4 yards down field and still throw the ball, you can go up-tempo, DBs can't grab you (unless you play for Wisconsin) and there are so many amazing offensive concepts. And Michigan just seems to be regressing. I don't think it's all on coaches, I think they truly don't trust the players and that means you don't trust running certain plays. But maybe make the plays easier for the QBs/Players and the offense wouldn't be this bad.
But when they do give us a replay showing the routes, it seems like some is scheme and some is players. Outside of DPJ we don't have an explosive WR. Crawford and McDoom I believe could be good if they were in an offense that actually used them as slot WRs instead of outside guys. Gentry and McKeon aren't going to get much separation they are going to beat you with size. And then we have a poor O-line but pass plays which are long developing. I just don't get it. It's like a complete lack of offensive understanding right now. Peters looks completely lost, his feet are in a rush, he stares down WRs forever. And O'korn and Speight looked the same if not worse at times. We may throw one hitch and one slant a game. Everything is complex, NFL routes, with young WRs without a true coach.....
over Enos, every day of the week. And honestly Canada has beend doing what I expected from Harbaugh. Multiple in scheme, heavy shifts/motions, he incorporates RPOs with non-running QBs by using options like a shovel as the dive, instead of running the QB. I didn't like the move to LSU for him because they don't have the pieces on O to do what he wanted or the patience(not like there would be much more patience here,lol) But Canada is a great OC who I would love to have on staff. Watch Pitt last season and people will see he was very good, they were bad because Narduzzi refused to come out of quarters coverage with poor DBs.
I don't even know how we could judge Frey on one year. But I think our TEs were probably the best part of the receiving core so he didn't do that bad. I don't think Frey is the one designing them to run route concepts which make absolutely no sense. Gentry is a convert from QB, so he probably wasn't asked to block before in his entire life. The point remains that having 2 guys coach the OL is not new or a problem. You can get more accomplished by having your C/G work on gap/zone combos, while your T/TEs work on down blocks or reach steps. Plus the multitude of other diff between the two positions.
an O Coordinator, hes a CO-CO-CO O Coordinator if he comes to Michigan. HOnestly if I was him i wouldn't take it. I'm an OC and i couldn't imagine having 4 people screaming in my ear during games trying to give advise on what play to call,lol
IF you know nothing about him, except that he used to coach for JH. NFL coaches are horrible. I'm serious most of those guys steal their paycheck every week. I don't want anybody else from the NFL on this coaching staff we already have enough of those. I didn't say keep things the same. I said go out and find a fresh, creative mind. High School thru D-1 are loaded with amazing offensive minds. Quit settling for your friends from the Good Old Boys club and go get a guy who can win games. Kinda like how he did with Don Brown.
with Full backs and TEs. Most of the top offenses today run 20 personell and use a hybrid H/TE type guy. Crap our TEs only make plays when lined up in the slot anyway. PFF just had a stat how Gentry/McKeon led the BIG in production from the slot. Iowa St has one of the best offenses in the country and they are mainly in a Twins formation with a TB TE and FB and 2 WRs. And do some amazing things from that twins set. Personell isn't an excuse for being creative and creating an offense that suits your players. The Oline isn't good enough to just line up in I formation and try to run power all day. He better start looking for something, because the offense they are doing now is old, tired and easy to defend. I saw a 3rd down play yesterday that was a flood concept to the boundary and there were 2 WRs running outs within 1 yard of each other. What the heck is that, lol
too, have you watched the Ravens offense, lol. Again same old recycled names. The Oline coaching gripe is the most uninformed compalint on hear. Tackles do not do the same things as guards and centers. It is normal and imo needed to have two coaches on the Oline. One for tackles/TEs and one for C/G. Because the steps, types of blocks, drills are different for both positions.
than I don't see things getting better. Harbaugh is starting to look like a mediocre NFL franchise in just recycling the same names. There are so many excellent offensive minds in football, fresh, young guys that would be great hires. Dan Enos is not that. South Carolina's OC was a 30 something GA, they called up for that game. And T-Rob the Def coord is 36 years old. Both on their first stints as coordinaters and they outcoached Michigan's staff yesterday. This offense is old and antiquated and adding Enos isn't going to make it better. Come on man, he has to do much better than that. And what's with the CO-OC crap, get a top OC, and lets go. And maybe think about adding a WR coach while you are at it. Because the lack of one jumps off the screen when watching games.
You come on here and spread this lie about a kid you don't even know. OSU wanted Parsons, Meyer didn't make the decision to pass on him. They messed up and had too pass. But don't try to paint a picture about a kid being a bad apple when he isn't.
Because he will end up at Penn ST. And he is an elite talent. I think one of the top ATH's in the whole class.
not being on the 3 teams from the media is a complete joke. Hill and Long rotated being the top CBs in passer rating against by pro football focus throughout the year. Hill should have been 1st team and Long should have been 2nd or 3rd on both lists
To be fair when Michigan ran the end around, McKeon was holding like crazy. So Michgan got away with more of a penalty then that nudge into Bush by the Wisconsin RT
That is not the case. You can see them build on things and set things up. They just don't have alot of bullets. And it's not like the coaches just got stupid. Look at the first 2 years and watch Michigan's opening and early drives. They were some of the best scripted drives in America. And then second half they would call constraints off of those. This year, it's just a very small limited playbook. 1. Due to an average OL, 2. Very young WR core, 3. Inconsistent QB play. I mean it's tough to call certain plays when you can't trust the players to execute it right. I totally agree that there are things they should be doing to make this easier, but 100% random is not what's going on.
We have a go to bread and butter play, it's Power. But the issue is in today's age of football, you need to have the OL to successfully run power down a defense throat if you are running it out of 11,12,13 personell. We don't have that. I am a spread power coach, that's what i run and prefer. It is actually hard to watch Michigan at times but it is what it is. Harbaugh's basic plan is power, power, power, counter, PA pass. He is banking on the play action pass being there, due to the defense overplaying the run. The issue is we don't have a QB who consistently hits the open WR/TEs on play action off of the run game. Thus the offense is very mediocre. It's not fun to watch at the moment and it's not my preferred way of attack, but it's what Michigan fans screamed for after RR. Now you got it!!! Now the offense we will see on Sat is Spread Power run team. They use spread formations, which can be 4 wide, 3WR, HB, TB (The most powerful personell grouping in footbal today if you ask me), empty. THey will spread you out and run the same power scheme down your throat. They also mix in RPO, Bubble/Now screens all the elements of the spread offense that are easy to teach and execute. There are tons of kids coming out of HS who can run that offense. There are a handful of QBs that can run what we are running. Until we can get one of those QBs we will continue to stumble on offense. It sucks too because our defense is pretty amazing.
Don't have a problem with the 1st timeout, especially in the first half. It's coming out of the timeout and still not knowing what you are doing, so you call a 2nd. That is an issue, lol
is a play I brought up yesterday. That one play can be used to possibly show the difference in their O coaches being superior to ours(in this game) They have scored off that play 2 weeks in a row, they switched the formation up vs us but it was the same exact play. Michiga ran a version of the same play the drive before Wisconsin scored on it, that was the DPJ reverse. On Wis play, they are basically showing RB counter and then running a counter to their counter. It is extremely hard to stop it with the reads their oline show. But Bush is actually in position to have the play stopped, which is an amazing play by him, except for one thing. Wis designed every detail of this play perfectly. THe RT climbs like he's blocking down on counter but he isn't trying to block any interior guy on the climb and he isn't trying to get outside to a safety. He is climbing and then peels back to block the MLB which was Bush. Bush did an amazing job reading the Guard's false pull, treading water, finding the ball and then attacking the ball aggressively. The Wisconsin RT was in position and just clipped Bush to stop him from getting to the ball carrier. If that RT isn't there I 100% believe this is a 5-6 yard gain at best. That is designing a blocking scheme to every detail. Contrast that with the DPJ play, first off Wisconsin got 2 down blocks on Mich DE and OLB. Mich had McKeon try to base/kick out the Wis OLB (17) which is a hard block to make on a reverse that is a slow developing play. Cole pass set and then pulled outside to get to the edge to block the CB. 17 beats McKeon (who has to hold to stop it from being a 5 yard loss) and gets in Cole's way to slow him from getting to the edge. DPJ makes a good play for a 1st down but the blocking idea and scheme is inferior to the way Wis drew up bascially the same play. That one play where Wisconsin coaches were superior in play design to ours is basically the game. The life and momentum of this team was finished after they scored that TD. That being said this coaching staff can coach, i've sat with Drevno and talked XandOs, the man knows his stuff. But as a coach you have to trust your players to run the schemes you put in. I truly believe they don't trust them as much as in the past. Because Harbaugh has one of the most complex and amazing run packages in all of football. We just aren't seeing much of it this year.
when they were up 14-10 is what ended this game, lol. You try to stop this play. Def was still playing very good and this just ended it. This play is Glorious!!! Look at the oline. They ran this last week for a TD vs Iowa and when i was watching the clips of it prior to the game, I was thinking please don't pull this out again. I mean you can't run it two weeks in a row, can you lol. Amazing thing is Bush almost stops this play. He had the angle and would have stopped the ball carrier i believe for a short gain, def not a TD. But the design to have the RT climb and then peel back on the Mike is such an amazing play design. Most people wouldn't think that far, they would just bet on the ball carrier beating the Mike. But this is by design because the RT did the same thing vs Iowa last week, even though the Iowa Mike had no shot at the ball carrier. The fact that Bush could read the false key but instead of flying out the box, keep reading and wait for the counter and then attack shows how truly special that kid is. He just couldn't beat that peel back block to make the play in time.
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I think he is too, He has missed on a few QBs that would have def allowed him to run it. But I do believe as soon as he gets that QB, we will see transition more to it. One thing I know, is that Harbaugh knows all types of offenses. And the guy is a sponge with staying up on new offensive schemes. I remember going to the Michigan coaches clinic 2 years ago and him and his dad are sitting next to me, listnening to a High School coach talk Offense and Harbaugh was taking as many notes as me. This team will be fine, he just has to get his pieces in place.
I don't think we need to either. Milton can run and has an arm. He needs to refine his accuracy, which i think he will. I'm speaking more to the scheme. You can run a spread/RPO offense without even running your QB. You can use Power Read scheme and add a shovel to be the dive, (which Harbaugh called vs Indiana on the delay of game call). We can run run/pass options. Power with a stick route by TE, or power with a hitch/slant route by a WR. All i'm saying is it seems like they are making it so much more difficult than it has to be. QBs come in from high school with in depth knowledge of RPO systems which mesh well with any type of offense.
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I mean even look at Harbaugh's best years in the NFL. He had Kap and ran pistol/Power Spread concepts and lit up the NFL. I always assumed he would look for similar QBs that could run that type of offense. I'm hoping Milton can refine his tools enough and be the guy. Because if this O is going to continue to revolve around 15 yard deep routes, and 22 personell formations forever, we may continue to see the same issues. Defenses are just too good nowadays and 90% of high school players aren't running anything that looks like our present offense. Look at Bama, Saban changed his offense for a reason!
Yeah we aren't where we should be right now because of Rich Rod. Come on Man, that's reaaaaching big time, lol.
Holding UCLA to 30 is actually pretty good defense, lol
It is not hard to have an explosive offensive in college football today, if you have an explosive athlete at QB. High Schools are filled with explosive QBs who can run and throw the ball. Who master spread offenses and can start day 1 in college. As long as we are in a pro style offense it is going to take extremely good QB recruiting to land one of those 2-3 QBs who can actually run the offense at an elite level. Not to mention finding the OL that can line up and maul defenses with 8 in the box.
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Biggest issue on the team right now, How they don't have a real WR coach is baffling
Moorehead to those who follow coaching and XandO's is a highly acclaimed OC. There is a great article about his time at Fordham. He will be a top OC for a while, probably a head coach soon. But Moorehead would be my choice. This game was lost by coaching more than anything, he came out and put on a coaching clinic Sat night vs Don Brown.
The design on the Evans TD is beautiful. You can see they were holding some things back early on I think.
Have been the Jet sweep vs Cincy for around 40yds, WR screen for 37ish, punt return for a TD and a converted 1st down on a drag route. Get that man the ball. I would love to see more hitches, slants, slot option routes and drags to get the ball out quick and in the hands of our WRs.
Lol yeah me too. The offense def needs work all over. But the coaches have been very vanilla in the red zone so far. They called the same flood concept on 1st down 3 of the first 4 RZ opportunities. On the 4th attempt Speight should have hit Perry for an easy 12 yard completion, that's on Speight. It looks like they clearly thought they could win with that concept in the RZ vs AF. I assume we will see a more diverse plan this week. But again we have to remember these are all new WRs and they may not trust them as much as they did Darboh/Chesson last year. Both very good WRs who are in the NFL right now. I would like to see DPJ used in more creative ways in the RZ, Peppers was a big RZ threat early on in the year last year. DPJ could provide that same kind of spark
One thing that i think really hampered us is the 5-7 step pass game in the red zone vs AF blitz. On the 2nd RZ trip on 1st down. It's basically the same play as the 1st down on the previous drive. Perry is running a bench route(Deep outt), Crawford a vertical route. So they are running a flood concept without a 3rd underneath flat route. On the first drive Black ran a drag this time he is running what looks like a post. It's play action so you are going to get some sort of deeper route combinations. This is a sound RZ concept but usually you have a 3rd short flood right to the 2 WR side. That route would have come open right away or the Blitzing LB may have been coached to cover it which would have given Speight more time to hit Black who was coming open on the Post. Also simply calling off the play action and just having Black run a slant would have been a good play IMO. Michigan was calling alot of deep routes in the RZ and AF was blitzing like crazy. It was mostly Cover 1 or 0 by AF so some quick slants/flats would have def been open and allowed Speight to get rid of the ball quickly. Again this is AF calling some good def plays and Michigan early on looking like they weren't expecting the blitz as much. And for the second drive we are at 2nd and 10 because of an incomplete pass on 1st down. Tough way to start in the RZ. But i wouldn't say these first two attempts are bad play by Speight. He has very little time. On the 3rd down play where Perry came open, yes he could have saw him but he saw green and was looking to run. If Crawford runs to the corner of the EZ Speight either scores or gets down inside the 5, or throws a TD to Crawford. On the 3rd RZ opportunity Michigan coaches seem to try to adjust to what they've seen earlier. They call a 1st down run to try to get to a managable 2nd down. AF just blows this up. On 2nd down they motion Perry and run double slants with a flat route from Perry. A great call vs the heavy blitzing they have seen from AF the first 2 attempts. But AF doesn't blitz they show man with the defender following Perry but then run a combo coverage and pass Perry off to the slot defender. That is just great defense. If AF was blitzing they would have stll probably been in Cover 0 or 1 and the slant or flat should have been open. But they rushed 4 and covered everything. And then on 3rd down AF blitzes and plays cover 0 again. And we run right into a wall of AF defenders. THis was a greatly disguised blitz and as the video pointed out it was too late to check out. That's 3 drives where AF is just winning the battle in the RZ with great play calls and great discipline and open field tackling by the defense. Honestly i don't feel like Purdue is coached as well or plays as well on defense. I think we will see a much better offensive output this Saturday.
I haven't read the article yet, but to me it seems like we are passing alot on 1st down in the red zone. Usual RZ sequence seems to be Inc pass, 1-2 yard run, inc pass. 0 yards on 1st down in the RZ is a killer.
Well New Mexico does have the most amazing offense of all time. I love that 3 RB, Triple option they run out of the shotgun!!! But it's kind of funny they give Air Force so much trouble since that is an offense their defense gets to see every day
Totally agree and first thing that came to my mind.
Air Force is not a team that gets dominated. The eat up the clock on Off and limit your possessions. They reload with grown men who are juniors and seniors. This is not a team that you just come in and dominate. On top of that the def play calling was very good. They blitzed often but it came from many different spots. Nickels, corners LBs, safeties. And they did a wonderful job at timing it. I hated our playcalling in the red zone this game. We rarely attacked their blitz, they have forgotten about RB screens and honestly they should have called more WR screens.
Who are you using for your wifi? When i moved to Miami last June i got hit with that cap and didn't know it. I had wi-fi only and had a $550 bill. I hate Comcast with the passion but they still seem to be the best option for internet service.
Who are you using for your wifi? When i moved to Miami last June i got hit with that cap and didn't know it. I had wi-fi only and had a $550 bill. I hate Comcast with the passion but they still seem to be the best option for internet service.
Yep this is true and the RB had to help on Gary too. There was no RB to help on Winovich because Gary just collapsed the whole interior of the Oline on the snap. That was one of the craziest things i've seen from a Dlineman ever