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|11 weeks 4 days ago||Oh yes||
One factor you don't see discussed enough is that over the past decade U of M has slowly been admitting more and more rich east coasters and less and less in-state students. And the in-state students they do admit anymore come from rich suburbs like west bloomfield and rochester hils (in-state tuition has skyrocketed and Michigan is terrible at offering grant aid).
The out of state kids havent grown up with Michigan football in their family most of the time, and even if they follow sports all their memories of Michigan football are of mediocre teams.
Because of all this, plus the skyrocketing ticket prices, many U of M students from lower income levels can't afford t ickets when they are already borrowing money for education. This means that those same disconnected rich east-coasters make up a larger percentage of the students who buy tickets, and many of them would rather get wasted outside a frat than go to the games. The sunk cost of the tickets is nothing to them; they can afford to buy and not go. If they do go, they are disinterested and spend the time socializing instead of watching the game.
|17 weeks 23 hours ago||The big question for potential applicants, then||
is, to what degree is Michigan Law's slightly worse placement due to less effective placement/reputation, or to self-selection into the less sexy PI jobs?
|17 weeks 23 hours ago||Michigan does okay at federal clerkships||
(Fed Clerkships using 2012 data)
Between this data set and the big law data set, the biggest takeaway is lol Gerogetown
|17 weeks 23 hours ago||True true||
And I don't think either one of us would say going to a top school in those regions (or a top X school with national reach) is a bad move, particularly with a scholarship
It's all the other schools that are the problem. Florida doesn't need 12 schools. Every school in Michigan except U of M (and maybe Wayne) does a horrendous job of getting their grads any kind of job, let alone a legal one.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||I mean, it's not that Michigan isn't a good law school||
It is, and is one of 17 or so schools with national reach.
However, it does appear to be performing a tad worse than its peers in the job numbers.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||It is possible that this is true.||
However, I've met my share of big types who are equally anti-social. Sometimes more so. I don't think PI or big law people have a higher percentage of these types.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Only 8.5% of Michigan grads got federal clerkships||
An additional 3.4 % got local or state clerkships, perhaps you saw the total number?
Gunning for dem federal clerkships is uphill sledding unless you attend a top six school in any case.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||This is objectively wrong||
Big Firm %, Class of 2012
University of Michigan: 43.3%
Anyone wondering why Harvard, Stanford, and Yale do less well than expected should know that many of their students (especially at Yale) do equally prestigious Federal Clerkships/Legal Academia/other awesome things.
Michigan really only places better than Georgetown out of the T14
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Michigan is indeed at a disadvantage for that very reason||
Most of the other schools have a large home market (NYC, Chicago, Boston, DC, SF) that they can send grads too. Michigan only has Detroit, which most U of M grads don't want to work in anyway (only 12.5% of Michigan Law grads stay in Michigan)
I've heard the law school has recently made some efforts to reform the placement office. We'll see when the new employment figures come out in April if that worked.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||When you are paying 50k a year||
being able to pay back your debt (i.e employment) is really the only figure that matters. USNWR's rankings are indeed flawed but their recent inclusion of employment numbers was a rare good move for them.
I mean, these are the top law schools in the county. They ALL get heavy scrutiny. And Michigan has lagged behind its peers in two very important catagories for several years now:
1. placement into long term, full time jobs for which a JD is required
2. placement into "big law" and federal clerkships, which are generally considered to be the most prestigious (and high paying) forms of legal employment.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Both are pretty terrible law schools||
but Tennessee does place almost 10% more of its grads into full time, long term legal jobs, which is fairly substantial.
Not that either school is worth attending without a full ride and the desire to never work outside of Tennessee.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Actually||
law schools are getting a deservedly bad rap because they collectively graduate 50k students per year when there are only around 25k legal job openings each year. So many law students are paying 40-50k to end up unemployed, or underemployed.
There are almost no law schools worth paying full price for outside of Harvard, Yale, and Stanford. And probably only 25 or so law schools worth attending at all.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Its a completely warranted||
Its a completely warranted drop though. Michigan Law's employment statistics have been 12th or 13th for the past couple of years now, sadly. It's actually a bit overranked at 10th.
|40 weeks 3 days ago||yup||
and Notre Dame lost, and Central and Akron got convincingly squashed.
Akron, CMU, and UConn are now 2-12 for the year, with the two wins being squeakers over bad FCS teams. yikes.
|44 weeks 5 days ago||Debating on whether or not to try and deface the stupid thing||
Where do I pick up my torch and pitchfork?
|44 weeks 5 days ago||See, I never saw latecomers as much of a problem.||
Only once in three years have I had any arguments with people about seating, and that was because drunk frat bros misread their ticket and thought we were in their seats. And I usually would jump up into rows 15-40 on a regular basis.
|44 weeks 5 days ago||I certainly won't,||
I bet a lot of people will though. Freshman with too much time on their hands, perhaps.
|44 weeks 5 days ago||Current student, and I am not at all pumped for GA||
maybe if it was a general "let everyone in whenever" where you show up and walk in to wherever there is seating, I wouldn't mind but this whole business with the queue and wristbands is terrible.
And this is coming from a senior who pretty much never pre-gamed last year, was always in the stands by 20 minutes before the game, and has never missed a game and only left early once.
In the past I knew I could start walking down to the stadium 4o minutes before the game and be in my seat before the band took the field, and I could use the morning to get some crucial studying done. Now I am going to have to show up hours before hand just to get halfway decent spots.
This won't solve the sparseness of the upper levels of the student section, not with the way they've jacked up the prices from 26 dollars per ticket when I was a freshman to 40 dollars per ticket today. The people who only came because its a social event just didn't buy tickets this year, as we saw by the fact that the studen allotment didn't sell out.
Shrinking the student section would have been better. What we currently have just punishes those of us who have always been loyal fans, but don't have 4 hours to kill sitting in a queue on a saturday morning/early after noon on top of the 4 hours already dedicated to watching the game.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Sadly, overcrowded dorm rooms are NOT a thing of the past||
North Quad opened, it's true, but that only added about 400 beds; its a relatively small dorm despite its size (lot of academic space in that building.
In addition, Baits I closed down for good due to problems with the infrastructure, removing 571 beds.
IN ADDITION, the University is going through a series of dorm renovations right now, meaning that for the near future at least one dorm will be closed per year. Last year it was East Quad, next year it will be South Quad, year after that West Quad, and I think they are doing Markley after that.
The university is so squeezed for dorm space that they actually flipped housing priority; whereas in the past Seniors chose before Juniors, who chose before sophomores, ect, now the freshman are assigned first, then the sophomores pick, THEN the juniors and seniors. It is almost impossible now to get housing as an upperclassmen. This isn't THAT bad, as most upperclassmen didn't live in dorms anyway, but it still sorta sucks that the current upperclassmen get hit with both reversed housing priority AND general admission to football, hockey, and basketball.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Did Marcus Allen have a Michigan offer or not?||
Rivals says he has one, but none of the other three services do (scout pointedly says he does not), and I can't find anything about him in regards to Michigan recruiting here or anywhere else
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Michael Cox just got taken||
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Excellent class!||
I'm curious, how many decommittments did we have over the course of this recruiting cyle? Conley, I remember, and Dawson did his thing where he left but then came back. Anyone else? Pretty low attrition rate if that was all! :)
And we didn't have a ton of big recruiting misses either: we didn't get Levenberry, McQuary III, or Treadwell but that was about it wasn't it?
Definitely a good signing day :)
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Gotta tell you, the cuts to the student section suck||
Got here 25 minutes before puck drop no seats left except so far back that the upper deck cuts off some view, and even those seats were sparse. Fair amount of students in aisle. Thanks dave brandon. If i have to get here 40 minutes before puck drop to get a half-decent sea (NOT a good seat, just an average one)t, while large portions of the non-student section stand empty, i may not get season tickets again next year.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||well, bye bye Conley||
|2 years 2 weeks ago||I am working as a Camp Counselor for the football campers right||
now. We are all super happy for him, he's been talking to reporters all night :)
|2 years 7 weeks ago||The ranking:||
|2 years 8 weeks ago||THREE STAR MAFIA OUTRAGE COMMENCE! :D||
Strange that this guy doesn't have a bigger profile given his write up.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||That's some First Team CCHA goaltending right there||
|2 years 31 weeks ago||I laughed at the conspiracy-theorist tone to his rant||
but I'd appreciate if I could have some facts to throw in his face. I really, REALLY want to get all the schadenfruede I can out of this.
|2 years 33 weeks ago||^^ One Problem is that the game is the weekend of thanksgiving||
break, so almost all the out of state students will sell, and a fair amount of instate students who are lukewarm to football will sell as well.