"Northwestern fans can be both heartened and disheartened by the loss to Minnesota just like how nineteenth-century resurrectionists were heartened when they pried a heart from a freshly-buried corpse and then disheartened it when they sold it to a disreputable anatomist."
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|3 days 14 hours ago||I pry should have phrased it better||
I'm including everyone after Henson too.
|3 days 14 hours ago||Two points||
First, no, John Navarre didn't get as much crap as Gardner gets. He definitely got a lot (and it was definitely out of proportion given that he lead the team to back to back 10-3 seasons) but while people grumbled when he struggled it never approached anything serious except when Drew Henson was on the team.
Second, while everyone loves Denard, many people who love him trip over themselves to qualify that love with "well he may not have been a good passer, but...", questioning his ability to actually be a QB.
Here are Denard's passing stats from 2010, when he had a real QB coach.
Completion Percentage: 62.5%
Also pretty comperable to Henne, except Denard also did this
1702 yards rushing, 6.6 yards per attempt, 14 TDS
But Denard was the one who was/is criticized as a terrible passer, not Henne.
|3 days 14 hours ago||I think that only helps my point||
Gardner puts up equal/slightly better numbers despite the train wreck around him. Yet people wanted to replace him with Morris, despite there being nothing to demonstrate that Morris would be ready. Now why is that?
|3 days 15 hours ago||Hmmm||
I'll give you Minor, and Toussaint seemed like he could have been good with an oline that gave him space
But that's what, two guys going back to 04 (given that Hart came in being what he was)? Pretty terrible track record.
|3 days 18 hours ago||It's pretty understandable if you think about it||
Devin Gardner 2013:
Completetion percentage: 60.3%
Chad Henne (best season, 06):
Completion percentage: 61.9%
So, almost identical (or better) numbers for Gardner, yet he was torn apart last year. Henne gets praised as probably the best UM qb since Henson.
I wonder what noticeable characteristic would cause one of these two to get blasted and called incompetent while the other one recieves praise.....something about Gardner (and Denard) that hasn't generally been true of UM QB's in the last 40 years...
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Actually now he is! :D||
|2 weeks 3 days ago||If Rich Rod had brought Casteel with him||
there is a strong chance he is still coach. I say strong and not "certain" because the "Michigan Men" would have still despised him and undermined him at every turn, and because the team Lloyd left him was still going to be a rotten husk.
Dave Brandon, Brady Hoke, and the rest of the football/athletics leadership are all incompetent hacks, but this is what our program inbreeding has done to us.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Did they?||
They have one NC in the last 30 years, and only three BCS appearances in the last 20 years. They were utterly blown out in each of those three appearances.
Based on tonight, they are definitely ahead of us as a program tho.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah, I was actually||
Student section shrank by a third. and general admission for hockey now means "get there 1.5 hours before hand or be prepared for the worst seats in the house". The scoreboard is nicer, but the end result was huge areas devoted to "disabled seating" that inevitably are never used by the disabled (only for recruits).
Meanwhile, the areana feels half empty because of the huge space allotments to luxury upper deck seating that is never filled.
Half of the hockey threads this past season were complaining about how the quality of Yost has nosedived in the past four years.
Sure, but in actuality, the only ones that matter are football, basketball, and hockey. And he has had a direct role in making two of thsoe worse (and bball is only better because the coaches and upgrades were already in place before him. I shudder to think what will happen when/if there is a coaching change for bball).
|6 weeks 1 day ago||So let's break this down||
1. Has nothing to do with being an athletic director or managing Michigan sports in the 21st century (this is the disease I have been talking about; if you played for Bo people will worship you even tho it means diddly squat anymore)
2. Regent's don't do jack beyond making sure the Uni is profitable. Michigan has been profitable for almost it's entire existance. A for effort Brandon!
3. Former CEO: See, "rips off model of business competitors and why that doesn't work in college football"
4. Being AD in and of itself doesn't mean jack. I could be hired AD tomorrow, doesn't mean I'd suddenly be qualified to run the department.
5. "Father of four". Congrats, he can procreate. So can any drunk in a bar on a friday.
6. "led U of M out of stretchgate": "didn't f-up the conversion out of the non-controversy that was stretch gate (which only existed because MICHIGAN MEN working at the freep decided that Rich Rod didn't deserve to coach at U of M)
7. "unparalled financial success": The department was profitable before him. It'll be profitbale after him. The university literally has nothing to spend that extra profit on (besides administrator pay and worthless upgrades to the facilities of non-money sports)
|6 weeks 1 day ago||You root for the team nonetheless||
It isn't their fault at the end of the day. They are mostly all top recruits who figured they'd be able to dominate their compeition. They didn't know what they were getting into.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||He attended UMich||
and even played football under Bo, thus making him a "Michigan Man" (TM) even if every action he takes indicates a soulless corporate sponge who only cares about short term profit and BRAND PROMOTION instead of what makes Michigan Michigan.
I hate, hate, hate, hate HATE the concept of a "Michigan Man" and the sooner it dies in a fire the sooner we as a program can move on.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Hmmm||
1. "renovation of Yost" slashed seat amounts (particularly in the student section" in favor of high end seats that are never filled (and these renovations were in the works before him anyway)
2. Renovation of Crisler: (also approved before he took over)
3. "countless other things for non revenues sports": Who gives a crap. No one other than the participants and familiy members of those participants cares about those sports.
Obviously Dave Brandon isn't responsible for the Oline. But he IS responsible for so much else.
And by the way, I actually didnt hate how the oline performed tonight.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||That's a joke, right?||
His claim to fame is turning Dominoes Pizza around, which he did buy copying the recipe of similar pizza chains. Customers came because Dominoes suddenly didn't taste awful.
Unfortunately, Brandon has no idea how to apply his policy of "rip off the success of the market competitors" to college football.
Michigan graduates 6,000 students per year. Let's stop pretending that one is a special snowflake and deserves deference just because one did so.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Defend your statements and offer a reubttal||
What good has Dave Brandon done other than increase "profit" margin (read, more pay for athletics administrators)?
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Cause being a man of Michigan||
has meant SOOOO much amirite?!
Our program needs to get over this disease where being associated with the program suddenly makes you God's gift to man. Dave Brandon is a joke. Jury is still out on Brady Hoke, but in year four we are getting blown out by ND.
Rich Rod was in all likelihood gonna fail cause of his inability to coach a defense, but at least that guy didn't get hired based on his tangential connection to a program that hasn't truly existed for a decade.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||All I can say is||
This better be the last I ever hear of the concept of "Michigan Man". ***k me with a stick. Our arrogance almost deserved to be punished with this. Dave Brandon can't be fired a moment too soon
|26 weeks 2 days ago||Oh yes||
One factor you don't see discussed enough is that over the past decade U of M has slowly been admitting more and more rich east coasters and less and less in-state students. And the in-state students they do admit anymore come from rich suburbs like west bloomfield and rochester hils (in-state tuition has skyrocketed and Michigan is terrible at offering grant aid).
The out of state kids havent grown up with Michigan football in their family most of the time, and even if they follow sports all their memories of Michigan football are of mediocre teams.
Because of all this, plus the skyrocketing ticket prices, many U of M students from lower income levels can't afford t ickets when they are already borrowing money for education. This means that those same disconnected rich east-coasters make up a larger percentage of the students who buy tickets, and many of them would rather get wasted outside a frat than go to the games. The sunk cost of the tickets is nothing to them; they can afford to buy and not go. If they do go, they are disinterested and spend the time socializing instead of watching the game.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||The big question for potential applicants, then||
is, to what degree is Michigan Law's slightly worse placement due to less effective placement/reputation, or to self-selection into the less sexy PI jobs?
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Michigan does okay at federal clerkships||
(Fed Clerkships using 2012 data)
Between this data set and the big law data set, the biggest takeaway is lol Gerogetown
|31 weeks 5 days ago||True true||
And I don't think either one of us would say going to a top school in those regions (or a top X school with national reach) is a bad move, particularly with a scholarship
It's all the other schools that are the problem. Florida doesn't need 12 schools. Every school in Michigan except U of M (and maybe Wayne) does a horrendous job of getting their grads any kind of job, let alone a legal one.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||I mean, it's not that Michigan isn't a good law school||
It is, and is one of 17 or so schools with national reach.
However, it does appear to be performing a tad worse than its peers in the job numbers.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||It is possible that this is true.||
However, I've met my share of big types who are equally anti-social. Sometimes more so. I don't think PI or big law people have a higher percentage of these types.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Only 8.5% of Michigan grads got federal clerkships||
An additional 3.4 % got local or state clerkships, perhaps you saw the total number?
Gunning for dem federal clerkships is uphill sledding unless you attend a top six school in any case.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||This is objectively wrong||
Big Firm %, Class of 2012
University of Michigan: 43.3%
Anyone wondering why Harvard, Stanford, and Yale do less well than expected should know that many of their students (especially at Yale) do equally prestigious Federal Clerkships/Legal Academia/other awesome things.
Michigan really only places better than Georgetown out of the T14
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Michigan is indeed at a disadvantage for that very reason||
Most of the other schools have a large home market (NYC, Chicago, Boston, DC, SF) that they can send grads too. Michigan only has Detroit, which most U of M grads don't want to work in anyway (only 12.5% of Michigan Law grads stay in Michigan)
I've heard the law school has recently made some efforts to reform the placement office. We'll see when the new employment figures come out in April if that worked.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||When you are paying 50k a year||
being able to pay back your debt (i.e employment) is really the only figure that matters. USNWR's rankings are indeed flawed but their recent inclusion of employment numbers was a rare good move for them.
I mean, these are the top law schools in the county. They ALL get heavy scrutiny. And Michigan has lagged behind its peers in two very important catagories for several years now:
1. placement into long term, full time jobs for which a JD is required
2. placement into "big law" and federal clerkships, which are generally considered to be the most prestigious (and high paying) forms of legal employment.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Both are pretty terrible law schools||
but Tennessee does place almost 10% more of its grads into full time, long term legal jobs, which is fairly substantial.
Not that either school is worth attending without a full ride and the desire to never work outside of Tennessee.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Actually||
law schools are getting a deservedly bad rap because they collectively graduate 50k students per year when there are only around 25k legal job openings each year. So many law students are paying 40-50k to end up unemployed, or underemployed.
There are almost no law schools worth paying full price for outside of Harvard, Yale, and Stanford. And probably only 25 or so law schools worth attending at all.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Its a completely warranted||
Its a completely warranted drop though. Michigan Law's employment statistics have been 12th or 13th for the past couple of years now, sadly. It's actually a bit overranked at 10th.