...says Denzel Valentine of Big Ten Tourney favorite MSU, which is 5-7 in its last 12 games. Cumong, man.
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- To bring Jennings into this discussion at all, your position necessarily is that a non-contending team should make draft selctions based on the team's needs.
- When you are a non-contending team, your needs are somewhere between everything and a bunch of things.
- Filling one need only fills one need. You still have many others.
- However, if you draft to acquire the most valuable asset (the best player available), you can use the higher value of that asset to satisfy more of your needs. For example, if the Pistons were to trade with the Jazz tomorrow, the Jazz would trade Burke to the Pistons for KCP and something else.
- That "something else" can be used to fill one of your non-contending team's many other needs.
- NBA Players are fungible so having having 2 point guards and 0 shoooting guards, per your characterization of what the Pistons would have had if they drafted Burke, is not an actual problem. This last point is especially true if Jennings is as talented as you believe him to be.
- Fire Beilein
- Bench Trey Burke
- Bench everyone but Trey Burke
- NO, FOR SRS, FIRE BELEIEIN
- Deport Nik Stauskas
- Sacrifice Vogrich to the Flying Spaghetti Monster
- File war crime charges against Hardaway
- Cut GRIII
- Cut RGIII (not sure how this would help, but I suppose it’s worth a shot)
- Forfeit the season and go caddy for the Dalai Lama
|1 week 7 hours ago||She called all the Rivals||
She called all the Rivals people to report it because Scout wouldn't hold a press conference for her. Also, she wanted to announce the launch of her new book called "Parenting: You know what's best for your son in all circumstances." Chapter 1 was called "You do you girl even if your actions damage your son's reputation." Chapter 2 was called "How to extend your 15 minutes of fame." Chapter 3 was a comparative study of American universities finding Michigan State to be the only school in the country where shenanigans take place. I don't want to spoil the rest of the book, but the 1,684 page autobiography in Chapter 7 holds a special place in my heart.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||This is the distinction. You||
This is the distinction. You guys are using (rightfully so with the thread topic) "playing well" to mean relative to other rookies. I am thinking of "playing well" as meaning relatiive to other NBA players.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I was confused because he was||
I was confused because he was discussing how our guys were doing well in the NBA and then made a comment on the overall talent of the draft class, which isn't relevant to how good our guys are doing in the NBA.
Unless you can explain to me how Trey Burke's preformance in the NBA is dependent upon Anthony Bennett's preformance in the NBA? Then I agree you wouldn't need to imply anything.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I could see how that would be||
I could see how that would be your opinion if you are making a subjective talent evaluation. If you are looking at stats against NBA competition, the draft class looks similar to those of the past. One would also expect rookie's to raise their averages toward the end of the year so the stats from current rookies should be lower than previous classes with 20 games left:
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Even assuming we can all||
Even assuming we can all agree that one can declare a draft lackluster after 60 games of 1 season, what point are you trying to make about that? Not sure I'm following what you are trying to imply there.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||I was going to write an||
I was going to write an actual response about how I believe your underlying premise is flawed, but insted here is the outline version:
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Can we call it the Joe Dumars||
Can we call it the Joe Dumars challenge?
|4 weeks 2 days ago||NBA ready is a small factor,||
NBA ready is a small factor, and possibly a negative one, as the NBA drafts mostly on potential, which has been discussed ad nauseum here and elsewhere. NBA does not want finished products unless the finished product is exceptional.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Get out of here with your||
Get out of here with your manipulated stats! He is careless ok. I watched three games this year and he was careless in all 3 (in my opinion of course because I was drinking during all 3, and have never looked at any of his stats).
/s if that was not obvious
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Kenpom has them for a $20||
Kenpom has them for a $20 subscription.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Death, taxes and ESPN trying||
Death, taxes and ESPN trying to fit all subsequent events within their narrative!
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Engineers...... JUST KIDDING||
|4 weeks 5 days ago||You wont find many (any?)||
You wont find many (any?) places on the internet more critical of Nik than this site whenever his name and the phrase "NBA Draft" are used in the same sentence. This includes MSU and Ohio sites. Same thing goes for all past, present and future M players.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Kenpom would like to confirm||
Kenpom would like to confirm your suspicion that Ohio is the only game we are not favored in:
@ Ohio = 33%
Wisconsin = 68%
Sparty = 62%
The rest are 70% or more.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||If it has to be done it has||
If it has to be done it has to be done. Whatever is best for the team.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Doom and gloom is commonplace||
Doom and gloom is commonplace with our fanbase as demonstrated by Exhibit A:
Here is a list of the "most reasonable" twitter opinions (as synthesized by BiSB) about our basketball team on February 12, 2013, which was less than a year ago, and 55 days prior to playing for the national championship
|5 weeks 1 day ago||This is where I am at also.||
This is where I am at also. What did this kid really do other than wait until signing day to announce his decision (like many others) and try to sign his LOI to that school? His parents created all of this mess which is reflective on them, not the kid.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Agree.||
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Not really though. All||
Not really though. All Collins' mom did was disaprove as a fan. Harmless fun. On the other hand, MM's mom is actively submarining the whole deal and dragging her son's name through the mud. For examples, look no further than this thread at people stating he has character issues, will be a disruption to the team, etc. MM did nothing but try to commit to a big ten university and his mom created all of the bad press around this by attempting to turn it into her decision.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||What he is not telling you is||
What he is not telling you is that he got the tattoo as Super Bowl XV champs in 2010 before the season to prophesize that superbowl. Then he has been adding an "I" at the end of it for the last 3 years with this being the last year he could tell everyone preseason that he was so confident about winning the super bowl. Maybe he just hit his 2 outer on the river.....
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Those were huge. Helped get||
Those were huge. Helped get us into the locker room in good shape.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Serious threadjacking||
Serious threadjacking question:
Has Morgan ever gotten a T for his reaction to any call against him? I always think he is going to get one with his reactions but I cannot remember him actually getting one. Guy hasn't foulded anyone in 4 years.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Horgan Morford sounds like a||
Horgan Morford sounds like a guy with some fantastic stories.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||This is correct at the youth||
This is correct at the youth level. At camps they will teach slapping the floor for the reasons she gives. This was in drills though teaching fundamentals not in games. Maybe not coincidentally, all my memories of this at such camps involved women college players teaching this. At the high school level you could probably convince me that some people are still doing it for defensive purposes, though it is borderline and alot of it is taunting. At the college/NBA levels though, you are being a dbag and taunting. See the Trey Burke mock slaps last year and Dakich this year for evidence of that.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Your memory is correct.||
Your memory is correct. Dakich definitely slapped the floor at least once. I want to say it was after the Walton and 1 but that might not be right. You are probably right in saying it was after a Stauskas 3. I had a couple beverages before/during the game.
EDIT: 2:12 of this video after the Stauskas 3
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Awesome! Need a remix of this||
Need a remix of this with the floor slapping sequence from last year added on the end. That would be epic troll material, even moreso than this is.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||In my opinion we are much||
In my opinion we are much more reliant on the pick and roll than the 3 and have been since Morris' second year. The pick and roll is what we continually go to when we need a basket. Previously it was a 3 but that hasn't been true for a few years now. It has been a continuum through the yeas though. We still relied on some elements of the three with Novak and co. For example, the play where they run Novak off the high screen and he fades to the top of the key for a 3 we used to run all the time. Now we run it almost never. Now we get our 3s mostly in transation or off of drives and natural ball movement within the course of the offense.
The 1-3-1 myth is hiliarously false though.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Yea that was not true around||
Yea that was not true around the start of the Big Ten season at the latest. He was great in the pick and roll.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||The Duke game that he||
The Duke game that he sprained his ankle 10 days prior to? If anyone took away his ability to get off a shot in that game it was Charlotte. Ask anyone who has had a sprained ankle and tried to play basketball within 10 days of it. You can play, but it hurts like hell and you can't make many of the movements you would otherwise be able to make. Also every movement is slower generally and any super quick twitch movements are not even possible.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Yea I am using polished as an||
Yea I am using polished as an equivalent of finished and assuming that the 4th year wouldn't have helped considering, as the stats you link to demonstrate, he was consistent in his 3 point shooting the entire time he was here.
He coud have grown though conceivably. I remember feeling like Manny was doing alot of chucking his final year, at least moreso than he was the first two which still involved a good amount of chucking haha. The stats don't reflect that though as his shot% was the same all three years and attempts are similar (though his sophomore year he played 3 more games than junior). Point being if he was chucking or taking worse looks, then elimination of either or both could raise his outside shooting numbers, irrespective of whether his actual shooting got better, which also could have happened.