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- Bama - uhh, what's basketball
- UM has had good bball bookended the past 25 years with a very dark space in between.
- USC couldn't care less about basketball
- Texas - see USC
- FSU - nah
- PSU - nah
- Georgia - nah
- OSU - good past decade mostly, don't remember them doing much before then except for Jim Jackson era.O
- Oklahoma - perhaps most like UM, with some good basketball teams in certain eras.
- Kansas, Duke, NC - I mean the latter 2 have been decent enough programs in fball but nothing you are going to care about.
- Arizona - nah on football
- UCLA - always seem to be behind what they could be in football; last sustained glory era was 80s.
|1 day 13 min ago||So Tillman sounds like Nick||
So Tillman sounds like Nick ward 2.0. except unlike ward he actually passes.
|1 day 16 min ago||So "just a shooter(tm)" at||
So "just a shooter(tm)" at this point? Duncan Robinson 2.0.
|1 day 20 hours ago||Shocked at lack of downvotes||
Shocked at lack of downvotes and spitting in your direction based on who you linked to! Congrats!
|1 day 20 hours ago||Yes getting off shots and||
Yes getting off shots and being able to defend will be issues for him. Louisville crowded him and he had som issues when facing that type of quickness. Even Juwan Evans - who as Brian says has rockets in his ass - is a 2nd rounder.
I mean every guard in the world who is 6'1 or below can yell "Isaiah Thomas" but using an exception to the rule to say "good chance" is not really the way it works. Walton has every intangible in the world but it's the world's best athletes as they say out there.
|1 day 21 hours ago||Frank Mason who like Burke is||
Frank Mason who like Burke is a national player of the year candidate ....and a faster more penetrating-able version of Walton... is currently the 2nd to last projected pick in the 2nd round on one of the respected mock draft boards.
Mason shoots 49% overall, 47% from 3, 4.1 rpg, 5.2 assists, and averages 21 per game. Walton's shooting metrics are 43 and 42% respectively, with similar rebounding and assist #s.
Monte Morris (better overall FG% than Walton but a bit behind on 3 pt, but a better assist rate) is 3 inches taller and playing at Walton level or near the past 3 years, and is a mid 2nd round pick projected.
Without elite athleticism it is just difficult at that size but I am sure he will get a camp invite. Burke is carving out a living and all but college is not NBA.
|2 days 11 hours ago||I will be excited to watch||
I will be excited to watch the 3 young pitchers if Boyd gets in. If Boyd is somehow optioned to make room for a contract i.e. Sanchez I will not be excited.
Fulmer - I expect a step back as it's almost impossible to replicate the monster season he had and more homework will be done on him. I am hoping a step back still means a sub 4.00 ERA (I know, that's not the advanced stats everyone cool is talking about) WHIP of 1.10 or below would be nice.
Norris - would like consistency, he looks lik ea guy who will wow you one game and then depress you the next. So if his bad outings can be manageable like 4 ER in 6 innings or something vs Pelfrey.Sanchez type bad outings.
Those 2 are the guys who can determine the next half decade if they can be paired with the 2 vets.
Then you hope Boyd is a guy who gets you sub 5.00 ERA in his first full year if they go that route.
I expect the bullpen to disappoint and ruin some games as its the Tigers and some of these young pitchers will only get us to the 6th so a lot of scary things can happen with the 7th and 8th innings with this pen.
The lineup is the lineup - not much change from last year despite the talk. The catalyst at the top of the lineup is gone in Maybin and if I recall they had a pretty bad record without him and a good one with him in. A lot of the same feast of famine - 7 runs or 1 run games as that is how they are built. Hopefully Upton can be more consistent rather than concentrating all his good games in a 40 game stretch. Guy like Castellanos seems poised to breakout from all the talk in camp. Kinsler has been a phenom since we got him here - always feel like he is set to come back to earth so we'll see.
All in all a tad above .500 as most of their field players continue to get older and creakier. Hopefully none of the top 4 pitchers goes out for an extended period of time like happened with Zim last year or it could be .500 or just below IMO.
My main hope is Norris develops into a legit #3/#4 over the years and Fulmer a legit #2 and if Zim is your #3/#4 you have a pretty good rotation here that can keep you in it for many a game - and you can retool your lineup over the next few years to stay competitive. Starting pitching has been the backbone of the team for 10 years now.
Cleveland looks scary on paper.
|2 days 15 hours ago||Here are some stories of||
Here are some stories of schools with good programs in both sports; slim pickings. Pretty much what I wrote above with exception of Notre Dame & Louisville which these stories cite. I guess I left out Notre Dame as I've never though basketball to be high level but I guess in a relative sense in a world of few choices they have decent results in both sports last 20 years. If you only look at the last 5 years, Louisville could be up there starting with late Charlie Strong era?
|2 days 15 hours ago||Considering you can count on||
Considering you can count on 1 hand programs that have had very good teams for extended times in both sports, it's difficult to create a rivarly of any sort.
What "new" blood or "blue| bloods in football give even an inkling of damns in basketball?
Conversely what blue bloods in basketball give a damn about football or have a top 25 annual team - almost none.
The only programs with any real balance between the 2 programs of any sort in my estimations almost all (aside from Florida) reside in the Big 10 - UM, OSU, MSU, Wisconsin. MSU was a black hole in fball pre Dantonio just as UM was in Ellerbe/Amaker. OSU pre Matta was nothing to write home about. You could argue Wisconsin has had the best balance of anyone the past 15-20 years aside from Florida.
You have some "new bloods" like Baylor and Oregon who seemingly are solid in both sides the past decade in football and past 3-4 years in bball. We'll see if Baylor holds up in football now ex their disaster. And Oregon seems on the downtrend too.
I could make a case really that Wisconsin v MSU has been the best rivalry in BOTh sports the past 15-17 years. They had some great battles in football and I think I saw the other day Wisconsin has the most NCAA wins the past 7-8 years or something like that.
5 years ago Florida was probably the most balanced program in the country in terms of high level excellence but has fallen back a bit - but no consistent rival in both sports.
So all I have as teams who are pretty decent in both sports for more than 8 of the past 20 years would be something like MSU, UM, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Florida, OSU.
|2 days 17 hours ago||No he is not. Some lack of||
No he is not. Some lack of NBA athleticism. Reminds me a bit of a shorter Mateen Cleaves actually which was a monumental NBA bust. He is probably headed to a long career if he wishes in Europe.
He has been a wonderful story but there is a guy in Kansas by the name of Frank Mason who can "outfast" Walton by a qood amount, and is a potential national player of the year candidate... and he is borderline as a NBA draft prospect late in the 2nd. Monte Morris - another fantastic NCAA player who until the past 6 weeks - was probably the better player the past 2 years - and has 3 inches on Walton - is a mid 2nd round draft pick. It's not easy at that position, without elite athleticism and size - see Trey Burke.
|2 days 20 hours ago||Phrasing...||
|2 days 22 hours ago||blue wall!!!||
|2 days 22 hours ago||I do think both Kansas and||
I do think both Kansas and Oregon are good matchups in terms of size differential. Kansas obviously having a #1 overall pick on it's roster and a PG who is a faster version of ours who is playing even more dominant. But it's not peak North Carolina or something out there.
I like the rocket analogy.
As to Louisville, I think their defensive strategy was sound and one I'd repeat if I was facing UM now. They took our best weapon away - as great defensive teams do in football. Our hottest player had a major off night as he was harassed off the line and missed some shots he has been making. You'd think the night UM exits the tournament is the night Walton can't carry them offensively - so that was the chance there. Lville made us rely on something we didn't do almost all year.
Problem was Louisville's offense just settled for something they were not great at for the last 10-15 minutes - 3 pointers. They went 25% and jacked up 20. 3 more than UM managed. That's not their system but they seemed to panic once they went into deficit. For all the heroics of Wagner if Lville made 2 more 3 pointers (i.e. something marginally over 30% for the game) OR ran their normal offense in the last 10 minutes trying to get more 2s, rather than PANIC MODE, it's a potential loss. So I agree with their strategy and it was executing very well in the first half, went off the rails late. How many teams can execute that who are left in the tournament is an interesting look.
I think you dismissed how often we did pick and roll with Burke and McGary - that was not as long ago as the Canisius days.
Last, can we get some MAAR love around here. He has been lost in the theatrics of the 2 big men and Walton and Irvin revival. Had a great game Friday and put in 37 minutes Sunday. For a complete afterthought in his class he has really been a revelation relative to expectation.
|3 days 12 hours ago||South Carolina had not won a||
South Carolina had not won a NCAA game in 44 years coming into this tourney. Bye DUKE!
|3 days 13 hours ago||DUCK season.. WABBIT||
DUCK season.. WABBIT season... DUCK season...
|3 days 16 hours ago||Jackson & bridges putting on||
Jackson & bridges putting on a show. Damn.
|3 days 16 hours ago||dagger||
|3 days 16 hours ago||Of course McQuaid is going||
Of course McQuaid is going Spike A
|3 days 16 hours ago||kansas is so dumb||
kansas is so dumb
|3 days 16 hours ago||Thanks for waking up||
Thanks for waking up Jayhawks. Still such a simple offense sheesh - what do these coaches work on in their practices for 5 months? Our offense look like Princeton by comparison.
|3 days 16 hours ago||sick jumper by Langford||
sick jumper by Langford
Ward gets a 4th. Guy is a beast, too bad he does not have NBA size - we are stuck facing him for a few years.
|3 days 16 hours ago||I like Bridges game more than||
I like Bridges game more than Josh Jackson. Stronger, better 3 pt shooter, better rebounder. Both can slash.
Big for MSU to make that run with Ward out. Kansas offense is just isolation basically.
This is going end with a last second shot because of course...
|3 days 18 hours ago||How about a MGoCallout:||
How about a MGoCallout: bronxblue for being the most steadfast defender during the dark times.
It's probably more productive of a thread than sh*tting on people who are obviously passionate about the state of the program (even if ultimately proven wrong in opinion...Among many) and at least watched and suffered through those ugly games while many admitted on front page threads they didn't bother.
|3 days 20 hours ago||Sorry I've already moved on||
Sorry I've already moved on past either of those 2 thinking about how to matchup with Kansas which is basically Oklahoma State with a pinball lightning bug PG, who plays defense unlike OKST.
|3 days 20 hours ago||On a serious note, many||
On a serious note, many (myself included) thought maybe he had struck gold with one particular group of guys. Also the lack of capitalizing on that run in the recruiting game was frustrating. As was a team that as we see now has a lot of talent seemingly forgeting defense is half the game for a good portion of this year - there were no injuries or inexperience to explain that away. Losing at home to our hated rival - which was very down this year - with the talent you see that we now have is almost inexplainable now.
With that said, the worm turned, and now we have a "second cycle" of success if you will so that some (which again I'll raise my hand) who were worried our success was due to a "one off" cluster of NBA players coming in at one time, so that refutes that argument. And makes those of us who felt that way much more sanguine.
When you see something repeated with another crew of players it makes you feel like there is a pattern rather than a one off.
I don't think anyone ever disliked this man, or what he stands for. I still remember him sitting in the NBA green room all night hoping Jordan Morgan would get drafted! Among countless other things.
Dude is locked in for life now and whaetever happens in Nov/Dec/Jan of other years you can now feel good about eventual outcomes in Feb/March. And we just have to live with the idea we are not getting into the dirty game of recruiting and need to spend more time waiting on development.
|3 days 21 hours ago||WE have so many weapons on||
WE have so many weapons on any given night anyone can go off. WHO HAS IT BETTER THAN US!
|3 days 21 hours ago||Whatever, I'll take another.||
Whatever, I'll take another.
|4 days 15 hours ago||I don't want an inexperienced||
I don't want an inexperienced QB behind this OL and neither will the Speight haters.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Illinois will be the||
Illinois will be the basketball version of indiana football now.
|5 days 12 hours ago||And if it happens Hollis will||
And if it happens Hollis will send Michigan to the west or south region.
|5 days 13 hours ago||Bridges will go.||
Bridges will go. Unfortunately Nick ward is not athletic or tall enough to be a first round pick so is going to be there all 4 yrs and be a major thorn as a so, jr, Sr in a league lacking quality big men.