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|2 hours 13 min ago||Yes right now Portland and||
Yes right now Portland and Seattle have become the 2 closest to a "European atmosphere" but it's still a far cry. Just cannot recreate 100 years of history, rivalries, songs, chants, etc. That said, I am all in favor of every game that matters on U.S. soil be played in those 2 cities except when Mexico visits and that should always be in Columbus... in November. Looks like a fun experience in our northwest to catch a game.
I personally do not watch MLS and I don't think college to NFL is a good comparison. It would be like NFL to Arena Football League (although not as wide of a gulf). Maybe NFL to Canadian Football League would be more fair. College has its own reasons to watch that ironically are parallel to a lot of things that makes club soccer in Europe great in terms of welll...histories, rivalries, songs, chants, etc lol.
I have not been to a MLS game but I imagine in many venues such as Columbus, KC, Seattle and Portland it would be very fun.
|3 hours 22 min ago||Were they on the same team as||
Were they on the same team as Brandon?
|3 hours 24 min ago||I loved Champion too. Then||
I loved Champion too. Then again I loved Art Regner in the post game Lions show because he was everyman's fan as well. But you cannot bad mouth the Lions I guess anymore since they pay the bills. I feel bad for Champion because he was kicked out of the Lions near/at the worst and headed over to Auburn Hills for their near/at worst. ouch.
|3 hours 41 min ago||Well the way they are||
Well the way they are painting them right now is Wiggins is like a poor man's Durant - you will get an all around game - has work to do on his offense; Parker is Carmelo Anthony - you will get serious offense, forget defense.
|3 hours 45 min ago||I dont think it has to do||
I dont think it has to do with caring - look at how these people cry at the Olympics. When you play for your country you care. The problem with international matches is they throw the team together from various parts of the world with 40 days of training and maybe 3 exhibition matches with their final 23, and they play on different clubs with totally different systems, and then are asked to gell. Some countries like Spain have an advantage in this as most of their players already play for 2 clubs but most countries have to piece together talent from all sorts of styles and its just not easy to do even if the individual pieces are world class.
But yes if your greater point is what kind of soccer is higher quality - go club. But I'll be watching just about every WC game just because it comes around so rarely.
|3 hours 49 min ago||Hmm hard to judge since||
Hmm hard to judge since usually only the top teams play but I generally think EPL is the best from 1-8 in any year. They have the most international players on club #7, #8, #9. You tend to get more home grown talent in the other leagues once you get past team #5 or so.
Any of the 4 could be the best in 1-2 in any year but generally La Liga is a 2 team league (this year with a 3rd busting through the door). I don't think the top 5 in Bundesliga is better than EPL though. But I am sure there are bars full of this argument every night across Europe.
|3 hours 53 min ago||lol. you sound bitter||
you sound bitter ;)
Truthfully I feel bad for the teams in the bottom 10 of EPL - it is like you never have a chance to win a championship.... economics dictate it! Would suck to be a lifelong fan knowing that. That's one nice thing about US sports - even the worst "club" has a chance*.
*Unless you are a Detroit Lions fan
|3 hours 57 min ago||If you want a very very||
If you want a very very simplistic breakdown it goes like this
Soccer is basically broken down by (a) club soccer (which are the international leagues) or by (b) country (of which the World Cup is the most famous held every 4 years - Olympics are sort of a throwaway tournament, Euro Championship is probably the second most famous).
Most of the focus is on the club soccer outside of the World Cup. To confuse it further the clubs also play international tournaments across leagues. It would be like if the NBA had a suster league in Mexico, in Brazil, in Germany, and Japan and they sent 3-4 teams each to play against each other in annual tournaments. The clubs also play tournaments within their own league - the parallel here would if the U.S. NBA had its own tournament that had nothing to do with the playoffs.
Generally in terms of club soccer the best clubs come from the Premier League in England, the Bundesliga in Germany, La Liga in Spain, and Serie A in Italy. The top teams in these leagues are all star teams composed of players from all over the world. La Liga and Bundesliga are generally very top heavy (a few clubs dominate) - the Premier League probably rotates between about 5-6 clubs at the top. Serie A is usually full of scandal ;) and I'd consider it the weakest of these 4 leagues - it has a lot more home grown talent (i.e. Italians)
That would be the first tier - than you would throw leagues from France, Netherlands, Mexico, USA into the next tier... every so often a really good team from France or Netherlands will make an impact in these tournaments - but Mexico and US no.
The average soccer player spends 90% of his time with his club and then is drawn away with 10% of his time playing for country (if he is top end for his country).
So what you will be watching at Michigan Stadium is 2 of the world's top clubs playing an exhibition type tournament to get warmed up for their season - and right after the World Cup (so some top players who were playing in the World Cup would probably be resting during this tournament). Any specific questions feel free to ask but that is about as simple as I can make it.
|4 hours 10 min ago||Cmon guys - I am not||
Cmon guys - I am not comparing Detroit to Columbus. MLS has about 20 (?) franchises. I would hazard a guess that Detroit is one of the few large metro area that does not have one. Forget "Detroit" and its shrinking city - our metro area is still 14th in the country. And it is one of the most diverse groups of people - you go to a Meijer where I grew up and you hear 5-6 languages in the store in 10 minutes. (southern Macomb county). I've visited places like Raleigh and its basically white/Asian so until you leave metro Detroit you don't realize how ethnically diverse it is - Italians, Polish, various Arabic, a host of eastern european, etc.
So Kansas City can support it ... because they don't have hockey/basketball to draw away crowds? They have 2M people, we have 4.2M people and I bet detroit has far more peeps from the "old country" than Kansas City. There are only 17 metro areas over 3M.
|6 hours 57 min ago||On a related note I am in awe||
On a related note I am in awe that Detroit cannot get a MLS franchise with our ethnic makeup. Having grown up playing club soccer this is a very fertile place for youth soccer AND has so many ethnic groups steeped in soccer tradition from their home countries that would be interested in soccer, you'd think they could get a 17-20K stadium 70% full. Granted no one has stepped up to build said stadium but in Livonia/Plymouth/Canton area which is a hotbed for soccer you'd think it would be a no brainer.
|7 hours 1 min ago||Don't beieve everything you||
Don't beieve everything you read on the internet.
That was rampant speculation by message board posters who knew as much about it as you or I. Until it came out after the fact his family had wanted him to transfer just about every year he was here, I think most of us didn't realize what pressure he was feeling from home and/or that he felt he was being underutilized to this degree. So the first thought was "zen Jon" wanted to go find himself in an Ivy or Stanford or something.
That's the beauty of internets - we all speculate on things we know little of.
|7 hours 4 min ago||Very interesting - I liked||
Very interesting - I liked Brandstatter as color and Dierdorf was cut from a similar cloth. As others have said PBP is a whole different animal so we'll see how he does in that role. If he can get it down it should make for broadcasts without a single millisecond of open air lol.
|9 hours 3 min ago||Agreed with both of you||
Agreed with both of you guys. I am a Bale fan - but this was a goal born of (a) pace (b) defender sorta relaxing when Bale was out of bounds and (c) pretty awful goaltending - you need to come out and cut that angle off. If it was an average speed player the defender would have recovered and at minimum been shoulder to shoulder. Bale has a lot of pace to him so I am more impressed with technical skill than just someone out "athleting" another guy.
Just to throw out a recent example, the Man U goal (Evra) in the 3-1 loss to Bayern in CL was way more "insane" - a half volley heat seeking missle into the upper corner - and even that would not be a top 10 goal in a typical year.
|10 hours 34 min ago||Is this accurate? It shows||
Is this accurate? It shows Shayock decommitted on the 11th, and UM immediately offered? I thought Beilein only offered kids who had visited campus? (Not sure if Shayock visited pre Marquette commit)
As for Dawkins I am sure Beilein can make him a solid player but I am a bit worried about expectations I am reading on this board. Unlike the typical Beilein player Dawkins will be "old" for his class - which IMO is what we need with the potential losses of LeVert, and at this rate we have to assume Irvin in 12 months. But old for your class usually means you have more of an idea of what you are getting with less upside - he will be 20 next year. So from a maturity standpoint that is a good thing but it probably takes away some upside. And guys not every player that has no BCS offer is going to be LeVert Jr. If Dawkins is a solid 4 year bench player we can snag this late in the process we should be content.
Shayock on the other hand looks like a typical Beilein pull and has offers from Virginia and Indiana. I know it is not all about offer sheet but I think expectations have gotten out of hand in terms of what we expect this staff to do with every kid.
p.s. I know Stanford is a fantastic school but I am a bit wary of the academic standards argument - I cannot believe that every kid on that football team is a genius. And I would think (Harbaugh alert) that our standards are not THAT far below Stanford's for athletes.
|10 hours 45 min ago||Yes I guess now Syracuse||
Yes I guess now Syracuse won't be looking Syracuse-ish anymore in football. The middle one could be anyone - Louisville I guess...and the all gray one... meh.
|17 hours 41 min ago||Just looked at their recruits||
Just looked at their recruits - two of them are 7 footers, wow.
Overall a loaded class, no one in the top 25 but four of them are between 35 and 100. One would expect a few to definitely make an impact early.
|17 hours 46 min ago||I am surprised you have them||
I am surprised you have them so low although I am no Maryland expert. I also don't know the transfers individually (i.e. how impactful each one was) but as a group its about 30% of the team stats which is like losing 1.5 seniors. Not bad. They look like a poor man's Tennessee with a top 10 recruiting class added to it which I think would do better than 7th. Usually teams like this loaded with SRs and JRs as starters are the tough outs in the tourney since so many teams are youthful - generally a "good SR" is going to out play a "very good FR". Looks like a bunch of 4 star recruits so if only 2 of those are impactful on a GR3 to Nik S type level (their freshman level) that would be quite a good first 7-8 rotation.
Not sure how they will fare vs Big 10 teams - the teams we brought in to the conf in the past (Neb, PSU) were not know for bball so hard to translate how they did to a team that is generally decent such as Maryland. i.e. will get they roughed up some their first year in the conf. One would think with their experience it won't be so bad.
They did have some quality victories and close losses this year despite a ho hum overall record. Beat Virginia in OT, lost to Syracuse by 2, lost to Duke by 2, lost to UConn by 1. They did lose to OSU by 16. I think they will be somewhere between 3rd and 5th because I give teams full of upperclassmen a lot of credit in general if they are halfway decent players esp since talented teams turn over their roster so much nowadays in current NCAA. Big advantage to come back with 3-4 starters in today's NCAA.
|19 hours 48 min ago||Yes it is nuts. Four guys||
Yes it is nuts. Four guys went advisory this year after 2 left last year. Essentially our starting 5 from the NC game and the "7th man" (depending where you put Spike, Morgan, and Horford on the 2013 final 4 squad).... all left or could in theory leave. Sheesh. When all is said and done the 2012 class could have 4 first rounders in it!
I am all for development but we need SOME players with more than 12 months on campus around since we are not getting 5 of the top 25 every year like UK.
|19 hours 58 min ago||Almost as many as the typical||
Almost as many as the typical MGoBlogger has.... almost...
|20 hours 5 min ago||Nope when you see USC and||
Nope when you see USC and guard you immediately think football; it is not a basketball school like Michigan. /s ok not /s - sigh
Before opening thread I thought - wtf maybe he is following Lane Kiffin to Bama.
|20 hours 6 min ago||Baby Durant! I prefer my name||
I prefer my name of Gumby but I would accept Durant-lite if his play dictates ;)
|1 day 8 hours ago||6 more months of having to||
6 more months of having to check his twitter background 8 times a day! ???
OH CRUEL WORLD!!??!!!!!!
|1 day 9 hours ago||Agree 100%. Expectations by||
Agree 100%. Expectations by the fanbase are getting out of line with the 3 stars - we just sent THJ to the league, had a NPOY and had "Caris" with the last three guys who are obvious. That said Burke was a 4 in some circles, not a 3....THJ had some nice genes, and Caris was lightning in a bottle. Expectations that anybody we now pick up who is not top 100 is going to be a front line starter and/or NBA guy are getting a bit out of touch. The staff is eventually going to misread someone and/or someone just won't develop. Or some guys just hit ceilings that will have nothing to do with the staff.
These late additions are usually there for a reason - other than Myles Turner. Dawkins dad for exampls coaches at Stanford - where is the offer by his dad? Stanford is a BCS program which went a few rounds in the tourney. Where is the offer from the man who knows Dawkins better than anyone on the planet? Same for any of these late additions.
I did a similar post to this a few days ago with only 2014 and without Mitch since it was "worst case" but not sure how the heck anyone can project 2015-2016. We are not in front for both of those Jalens, in fact we might not be for either. A year ago no one thought Nik was going to the league - he was a 3 year player in our minds. A year from now who knows if Zak Irvin will be in the same boat - I think he might. It is hard enough to project 1 year our versus 2 esp with a team full of underclassmen.
|1 day 9 hours ago||Thanks Brandon - I was one of||
Thanks Brandon - I was one of the readers requesting this. With 200 or so offers a year by major programs this sort of thing helps to narrow it done even if we only get a few.
|1 day 17 hours ago||well that escalated...||
well that escalated...
|2 days 1 hour ago||Lucas was a 4 star, per||
Lucas was a 4 star, per Rivals #38 in the country and the 6th PG. So consider him a Chatman level recruit.
Appling was a HS All American of which I believe there are about 24? 4 star also #38 in the nation.
Point is Izzo has received a boatload of recruits in the 10-50 area, and you'd think a lot more of them would have healthy NBA careers. Between Randolph/Richardson and Gary Harris I think you basically had Shannon Brown and Alan Anderson?
I don't know where a "5" star ends and "4" star begins in the basketball world - I would assume somwhere around 30 since Irvin was a 5 star as the #25 recruit. So he was barely a 5 star at Rivals rank #25 where Lucas and Appling barely missed being a 4 star.
And as we all know, recruiting rankings are not science i.e. slot 22 is better than slot 29 because experts say so - the difference between Lucas/Appling at #38 in the country and Irvin at #25 in the country is some people's opinion and a sliver of talent.
|2 days 2 hours ago||Izzo's main successes||
Izzo's main successes individually were 10ish years ago with Zach Randolph and Jason Richardson - both elite NBA bodies. Since then I think the high point was Shannon Brown and now Gary Harris. Harris came in ready to be a NBA player - he looked like the same guy in game 4 of his freshman year as game 25 of his sophomore year. His shooting regressed year over year both in total FG% and 3 PG% even with Payne taking away massive attention. So even Harris is not a "success story" in development - he was a guy that was just ready to be a NBA player and would have been a one and done if his shoulders hadnt popped out every 3rd game in his freshman year.
Draymond Green would probably be Izzo's best case of "development" - but that again took 4 years and he was a 4 star.
If you want to be a cynic about Izzo you can make the case he has taken a lot of 4 and 5 star talent, not developed them quickly, and benefited from playing a lot of 4-5 star guys in their JR and SR years playing against NCAA competition where those players' peers were in the NBA 2 years earlier. So in a way it is brilliant I guess - but it seems to be reaping itself now when more players of that caliber he used to get want to be one and done or two and done.
|2 days 2 hours ago||Oh big time. There are like||
Oh big time. There are like 10 guys in the NCAA who match up with a 5 star senior big man like Payne...and most are 19 years old and not in the Big 10.
Honestly if Dawson left that group is hot garbage outside of Valentine. Trice is a good shooter but UConn pressed him into oblivion. We dont play that style but they could not get into their offense for 15-20 seconds with Appling out. Costello is just a "he is there" big man. Kaminsky can shoot well it seems but that is all he does.
Looking ahead a year they will be very young and we'll see how Izzo "develops". He has been loaded with upperclassmen for a long time and the following year (2015-2016) seems the first he will have to deal with what Beilein is doing annually. They have a top 100 PG coming in and a good player out of Ohio, but from here unless recruiting changes quickly he is replacing HS All Americans with "plucky 3 stars" by and large.
|2 days 3 hours ago||5 star HS All American -||
5 star HS All American - probably could have left after his frosh year and been drafted higher than this year when he flashed huge athleticism. Has not developed a shot outside of 5 feet, nor any handle. Great athleticism in the NCAA level but when facing future NBA players at Kentucky, UConn, or UNC he was muzzled. He stands out against non NBA type players though due to sheer athleticism and now he will be a 22 year old playing a lot of 18-19 year olds.
He was projected mid to late 2nd, so not sure why many thought he was declaring. Other than he has a child. He is a European type talent right now - not skilled enough to do much damage at the 3, and kinda small for a NBA 4, bit of a tweener. Could be a defensive type of stopper though for a good NBA team.
Will create a very experienced MSU lineup next year
5 - JR Costello, 4 - SR Dawson, 3 - JR Valentine, 2 - Open (maybe Alvin Elvis dude), 1 - SR Trice
Offense will run through Valentine as he is the only guy who can create his own shot.
|2 days 3 hours ago||Excited to see who Beilein is||
Excited to see who Beilein is targeting in out years. We are going to go potentially from a wealth of 2/3s to a dearth in 12 months if (when) Caris goes and if Irvin explodes.
I am sure even Beilein is surprised by how quickly these dudes have progressed. Now the coaching staff has to cast a wider net each year because not only does it need to account for players who will be graduated (which I believe this year will be zero) opening up scholarships but they should be accounting for 1-2 early entrees a year now too, due to their success. So if they normally start targetting 12 kids to fill open holes 3-4 years down the road, they probably need to up that to 16-18.
Anyhow, these are first world problems. Like many I am confused some on GR3 as he could have vaulted up the draft board in 2015 to the low 10s, with a steady, no disappearing 16 ppg year but kid played 2 years out of position and from comments was frustrated.
As a fan it is frustrating because just when you get attached to them they are already going. But for Burke, Nik, and to a lesser degree THJ these 3 of 4 are no brainers. (with THJ he was not as high of a prospect but there was not much more I could see him adding to his game in college to move up higher in the draft). GR3 is the only 1 of the 4 you question so what can you do - when kids are ready they are going to go nowadays.