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- MSU OL - pretty sturdy and experienced, but racked with injury prior year
- UM OL - welp
- MSU QB - welp
- UM QB - raw potential but has to improve on some key things (decision making, reading defense)
- MSU RB - in flux, moving LBs to RBs, trying to find a feature back
- UM RB - in flux, no set starter, relying on young guys or injured in 2013 guys
- MSU WR - a plethora of decent guys who were interchangable + HS star Burbridge
- UM WR - 1 established star and a whole lot of young question marks
- MSU TE - a black hole
- UM TE - welp, 1 guy with 1 catch and 1 guy who played DE. Rain dance to Butt's ACL.
- Some OLB not named Thompson
- Wheatley Jr
- If not Wheatley maybe another DE ala Bates
|6 hours 2 min ago||But will there be hats at||
But will there be hats at this announcement?
|6 hours 3 min ago||OSU also has a cool event ,||
OSU also has a cool event , the Fright Night Lights thing but it seems more "rockstar-ish" with former players and I think even some music peeps were there. But I think the difference in the 2 events highlighs the type of coaches. I was curious how long this FNL thing has been happening at OSU - is it recent or a longer term Tressel tradition? Having them both on the same weekend probably is tough on some kids who have both schools high on their list.
|6 hours 59 min ago||I will disagree with you on||
I will disagree with you on the Amazing Race thing. As we get older we forget what we are like at 16-17 years old. We also forget what a first time on campus was like. I remember the first time I stepped on campus it felt enormous... within 4-5 months of course it was very manageable. So instead of keeping them all in 1 corner of the campus where all the athletics are OR doing formal type academic tours, this is a fun way to explore in small groups with your friends while actually learning something along the way. It's a great way to bond in smaller groups as well.
And to top it off the social media aspect cannot be understated - its mass marketing and recruits across the country could follow via the hashtag and say hey thats cool and interesting. With how the top recruits have a loose network with each other this sort of thing is like a MLM scheme in terms of publicity.
|7 hours 5 min ago||Thanks.Does Roseboro have||
Does Roseboro have any plans on more trips in the month of August? Just curious. If no, it sounds like we have it sewn up but since he is waiting til late August I assume the answer is not no.
As for the 2016s, its just too far away at this point - any kid committing this early I am going to put on "high chance of decommit" watch, here or elsewhere. After losing 3 ourselves who committed about this time last year for the 2015 class I'll focus on 1 year at a time.
|7 hours 13 min ago||While I agree with #1 in||
While I agree with #1 in terms of you need to adjust your scheme to your personnel (and it doesnt sound like Borges dumbed it down enough for his interior line) I think the meme of "simplify the offense and it will work out great" is too easy. If it was as simple as that every team would go simple - most teams are actually going complex. Further the more simple your schemes the more easy it is for good defenses to diagnose your plays.
So while I think it is a positive THIS YEAR to keep it simple I hope it goes back to "normal" (maybe not Borges level) in 2015. I am a big believer in Jimmy and Joes over Xs and Os. This "complex scheme" that "was the main reason we sucked" seemed to do fine in 2011 when we had talented experienced linemen. There is a point of diminishing return where you dumb it down to the point the defensive players will be calling out our plays. The advantage of an offense is you know where you are going - the defense doesn't. If it gets so simple that advantage just goes away.
|7 hours 19 min ago||It is still young. Generally||
It is still young. Generally elite lineman like a Long or Backus or Lewan get started as RS SO (3rd year in program). The more traditional guys backup as RS SO and then you slide them in as a RS JR as a starter.
So if our 3 RS SO are all elite than I guess it makes sense but reality is, they are not all going to be Long Hutchinson Lewan Backus. And those guys were different players as RS JR or RS SRs than they were as RS SOs. Not hard to remember as it was not long ago Lewan making dumb plays with his temper etc as a RS SO.
If you are throwing one true SO out there with a bunch of 4th/5th year players or 2 3rd year players with three 4th/5th it is one thing as they cover for each other to a degree. But there is no such luxury.
On the plus side 2015 should be the year we can stop being "welp" about this situation.
|7 hours 24 min ago||Agree 100%. The constant||
Agree 100%. The constant shuffling was a very bad thing. Sounds like the "hope" is to get it settled by week 2 of camp and let them stick together for the next 2 weeks. I guess unless we hear otherwise it is shaping up to be Braden-Kalis-Glasgow-Bosch-Magnuson as the starting 5.
I think what they did in the spring is if in emergency, break glass and Braden goes down with an injury they might move Glasgow out to RT and then you plug in either Miller or Kugler as the C. There does not seem to be a real backup plan at RT right now unless you take a projected guard like Dawson out there. A guy like Blake Bars you hear almost nothing about so he seems to be ...well not projecting with much upside. The Fox and LTT group still seems a year away as well.
So right now as "backups" for the guards it seems like its Glasgow/Dawson...and at LT Cole, and at RT Glasgow. So there is a lot of Glasgow. I don't know how much Kugler or Miller are training for a backup guard position but I guess we'll see what Funk/Nuss do if a guard struggles or goes down with injury in the not too distant future.
|22 hours 2 min ago||Your post was the first thing||
Your post was the first thing I thought of when i read this article. Unfortunately at time it is difficult to make a stand/comment that is "agaisnt the flow" here or anywhere else where there is a large contigent all rowing in 1 direction. So I appreciate that you posted it and had no idea you were banned for it. Obviously there were quite a few things amiss from last year's squad and this appears to be one of them.
As for the clustering =- it is only natural. I saw this among the general population as well of the students way back in the 90s and I am sure it happens today. I don't think it has anythinhg to do without any form of outright racism, just you tend to flock with similar people of similar backgrounds. I think it's a lot more socio-economic than race among young folks; your music interests, lifestyle experiences, culture is going to be a lot more similar if person A and B both grew up in south Warren (say 9 mile) then someone who grew up on a lake in northern Oakland county. Don't quote me but I think I've read metro Detroit is one of the top 2-3 most highly segregrated metro areas in the country.
That said I would think the hot iron of fighting together day after day for months on end would break down the walls a lot more than among the general populace where you may have someone on your floor or in your class but don't have as much interraction as football players.
|22 hours 14 min ago||I'd like to read more of||
I'd like to read more of these background stories - nice to know how they got here. Thanks for post.
|22 hours 17 min ago||You have every right to be.||
You have every right to be. Sorry, we were an 8th place team in a bad conference last year. They were a bit worse in a better conference. They beat Stanford at home but if you look at their myriad losses there are a lot that stand out and make you say danger Will Robinson. Such as a 1 point loss to ASU which was one of the best Pac 12 teams. And if the can hang with Stanford in the trenches that is a direct shot to our current weakness.
I see that game something like 21-17 but it could go either way. And a loss there would really hurt the season IMO as we're most likely 2-1 at that point with 2 wins versus baby seals and all the chatter about hot seats begins. It is a must win, far more than OSU or MSU which are far later in the year.
|1 day 8 hours ago||the ones that make him run to||
the ones that make him run to the open bar the fastest...
|1 day 8 hours ago||I think it is a||
I think it is a generalization. We're almost exactly the opposite of State's situation on offense in that their question marks were QB and RB. Their OL was demolished by injuries in 2012 and they returned Maxwell as an incumbant in 2013 but a lot of those OL guys were upperclassmen who just got hurt the prior year. They had a pretty big stable of experienced WRs - sort of like we will have in 1 year but no one stood out like a Funchess had. So MSU had the line play going into last year, but werein open competition at QB and had some unknowns at RB, and no TE to speak of.
We return an established QB (with some questions to him) and have most of our questions at WR and OL. And the TE until Butt comes back is "welp". The RB is hard to tell what questions we have but its a lot of inexperience and hard to tell what we have due to the OL being so bad.
MSU 2013 v UM 2014 offense
|1 day 9 hours ago||Considering it is going to||
Considering it is going to start either 8 or 9 underclassmen, I think that's a throwaway comment. If the offense did not improve for a 2nd straight year between game 1 and game 12 it would be time for panic. Especially with so many guys in year 2 and 3 which are the prime years for "getting it" mid season.
|1 day 9 hours ago||Bo better stop this, he is||
Bo better stop this, he is quickly becoming one of my favorites. If we could continously beat Nebraska while he stays there for a decade or more he could become top 3 CFB material for me!
|2 days 11 min ago||I think that is a hell of a||
I think that is a hell of a point. My worry with Green was how easy he went down - he seemed to lack great balance and a lot of arm tackles brought him down. Which is strange for a "bowling ball" type player (as his weight certaintly indicated he was last year). So for an OL which will most likely struggle again a guy who makes YAC is probably going to have an advantage since I expect contact to come early on many plays.
Then in 2015 hopefully when this OL issue goes away maybe Green's "upside" bursts have more of a chance to hit.
|2 days 17 min ago||Why would a RS freshman "have||
Why would a RS freshman "have more upside" FOR THESE NEXT 12 GAMES (which is all that matters RIGHT NOW) than a RS JR who has already played and by all accounts was at least half way decent? I don't get these comments at all. Was I the only one who watched 5-6 RS FR, true FR, RS SOs look completely lost last year? And yet people want to throw out Mone and Kugler and then are raising questions about why we are not playing them over older guys?
All this talk about Kugler and his ceiling is for down the road - most OL should not see the field until their RS SO year and even then except for the few elite guys preferably as a rotational player. Then go start as a RS JR. That's how it normally works even for the most talented guys. Why so many want to throw another RS FR out there at the most intellectual position on the line over a guy with experience is beyond me. I could care less who is his dad is - he is still 19 years old with 1 year of experience in the program and 0 on the field. It says nothing about Kugler's potential long term and whatever his ceiling is as a RS JR has nothing to do with his ability in 2014.
TL;DR it doesnt matter if Kugler will be the best center UM ever had in year 2017. The Kugler version of 2014 is not better than the Glasgow version of 2014 per these decisions by coaches so comparing a hypothetical 2016 Kugler vs a 2014 Glasgow is meaningless.
|2 days 28 min ago||It says a RS FR is lagging||
It says a RS FR is lagging behind a RS JR. Which is pretty damn normal - damn the friggin stars. Glasgow played an entire year, by all accounts was the best of the 3 interior disasters, is a few years older, and in every universe but the one created by Rivals and Scout should be ahead of a 19 year old who has never seen the field, whatever his genetics.
Not attacking you personally but just sick of these "entitlement" position rosters because of STARZ. It is like asking why is the 4 star RS SO safety not starting ahead of senior Kovacs? I mean Kovacs was a walk on and this guy has STARZ all over him. WHY?!
|2 days 34 min ago||If he has a good impact||
If he has a good impact relatively early (not necessarily this year as a true freshman but gets into the CB rotation next season) and Canteen lives up to the spring hype I think this "HS" pipeline could be a good one. I am still a little confused about how that HS is going to be long term (will Sills dad still be coaching and "recruiting" for it now that he got his son into college?) but based on how well developed these players are out of HS versus a lot of others it could be a little goldmine - especially if these 2 kids do very well. Their younger peers still in HS will be looking at that success and it should help UM down the road.
Watson is definitely one of the least talked about guys in this class - really like his size and bulk; if he picks things up mentally he looks like a guy who can be in the rotation for CB as early as 2015.
|2 days 39 min ago||I am confused by this in||
I am confused by this in light of other prospects and general shooting ability of our players in general - if we were an average shooting team that needed player XYZ that was unique to stretch the court I would understand more - but at this point I just operate under the IBIT philosophy. It worries more defensively, seeing our perimeter defense get slashed and burned repeatedly I was hoping we'd be able to marry good shooting with high end defensive players more often go forward.
|2 days 47 min ago||This Manning guy....I like||
This Manning guy....I like him.
|2 days 48 min ago||And add that device from the||
And add that device from the 1400s that slowly stretched a person's limbs out. All our 6'0 CBs with 15'0 wingspan? yes please. Granted their knuckles scraping on the snow as they walk upright in winter would be a bummer but this is Michigan fergodsakes.
|2 days 51 min ago||Cool photo but I prefer my||
Cool photo but I prefer my Novak photos will blood pouring out of him.
p.s. was Bilal at the BBQ?
|2 days 55 min ago||Just looking at the depth||
Just looking at the depth chart of MSU and Wisconsin you can see how they are offsetting a step down in recruiting from OSU / UM by redshirting almost everyone and benefing from the value of a bevy of RS SR and RS JRs. 80%+ of MSU's 2 deeps are guys who are 4th/5th year. It is a smart strategy if you are not getting a bunch of top 150 guys because 4 years down the line, with good coaching, development, scheme, and S&C the difference between player #328 in the country and player #189 is going to be nearly nil. Especially if player #328 is a 5th year senior and playerr #189 is a RS SO.
I remember going into that game last year looking at their DL vs our OL and the interior was scary - they had Tyler Hoover a 6th! year senior (he had some sort of injury waiver for a year) going against true freshman Kyle Bosch. Hoover was 24 years old in the Rose Bowl. This stuff matters no matter how talented you area.
Again it doesnt mean just having old(er) players is an automatic scheme for winning because BYU has some bad years but if you are taking player #21 out of Ohio rather than player #7 out of Utah or Wyoming you still have a lot more to work with in terms of raw material. The more I look at how MSU and Wisconsin are doing it the more I am for advocating as many guys as possible - I dont like our strategy of wasting redshirts on players who are just special team players. If for example a Ferns is out there wasting a year of eligibility with a stacked LB core ahead of him and we lose him as a 5th year senior so he can run down the field 30 times on kick off returns - it simply makes no sense. That is where you can use a Thomas Rawls or Josh Furman type (last year).
|2 days 11 hours ago||Not one bball question||
Not one bball question above. Telling.
|2 days 22 hours ago||Didn't all 3 assistants leave||
Didn't all 3 assistants leave in the same time frame? What is the myth I am missing. Generally when your entire staff leaves within a period of months it's cleaning house. Did theyy all indepedently decide it was time to move on?
Jerry Dunn, John Mahoney both left in April 2010 per this story - Jackson later that year.
In the corporate world "pursue other opportunities" and "want to spend more time with my family" is how CEOs are let go in face saving measures. So it appears 2 of the 3 were "gently pushed" out the door - Jackson shortly after decided to move on to Purdue. Maybe Beilein wanted to keep him and "was pissed" - I don't know enough about it but I'd say 2 of the 3 were let go.
|2 days 22 hours ago||Jim Mora Jr is doing some||
Jim Mora Jr is doing some very impressive things out there at UCLA. They had a lot of freshman starting on OL and still acquitted themselves pretty well - their losses were generally teams they should have lost to and they went into a place like Nebraska and blasted them off the field. They also got the QB we were going after unfortunately earlier this year. That said I am not sure how long he will be there with the NFL calling.
Obviously I have no idea on KLS - it just seems like its going to be difficult to have him come all the way out here when he has 2 suitors a lot closer. We'll see.
|2 days 23 hours ago||Overall these seem like the||
Overall these seem like the most likely candidates to finish out 2015 - I am putting them in order of likeliness (guessing)
I am assuing Thompson is going to MSU per some smoke on MSU boards and these comments today. And KLS is staying out west with Harris headed to OSU.
That would be a pretty phenomenal class considering an 8th place Big 10 finish. Lewis at 6'1 over Crawford at 5'9ish would be IMO an upgrade and major stick save.
Anyone else to put in that list as a >50% chance?
|2 days 23 hours ago||Obviously. We have 2 good||
Obviously. We have 2 good men in charge of our 2 major sports programs. That said he needs to take the Beilein jump, after Beilein emptied his staff and started anew a few years in - from there the bball program took off. No one doubts Hoke's values or integrity. But being realistic he needs to do better with on the field results. It's hard not to root for the guy even if you are not impressed with what the team looked like last year. I hope - like Beilein's teams - whatever the record is this year, the team looks far better from November vs September as it has a lot of players at that age (3 years in the program) where a lot of things that made their head swim earlier go away and they can just play and react.
I'd also say in light of the on field results the staff is recruiting at a fantastic level. As Ace said who knows what Manning is like as a secondary coach but he seems to have filled that role from our coach from the DL who went to Oklahoma perfectly.
|2 days 23 hours ago||Brent Petway says that's||
Brent Petway says that's pretty cool for a young dude.
|2 days 23 hours ago||Well he will have some||
Well he will have some challenges in college with weight then - reports are he is already 260ish.