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- PF: Donnal 6'9
- SF: Huff 6'8
- SG: Chatman 6'8
- PG - :)
|9 hours 41 min ago||Also in the Sam Webb||
Also in the Sam Webb article
So I think this is also an insurance policy in case Walton Jr blows up next year. Either way we are breaking in a freshman SG next year with Caris to the NBA unless Irvin stays and floats down from the 3 to the 2 in 2015-2016. Or MAAR takes that starting spot in 2015-2016 with highly recruited SG easing in to challenge him as the season goes by.
Frankly we badly needed a 2 of some sort at this point to plan for 2015-2016 with Blackmon not part of this class. Just relying on a freshman from 2015's class to step in right away is not ideal, no matter his pedigree. And as the Blackmon ordeal shows up, despite all the great resume we are building we have no guarantee we are going to get a superstar SG i.e. top 25 type to walk in next year.
|14 hours 28 min ago||Yes I am amazed at the||
Yes I am amazed at the consernation. Save it for football. I am perplexed why they are taking both guards myself but obviously we have zero idea what the coaches know so they probably know how likely X transfer is or Y commit in 2015 is etc. They have earned the benefit of the doubt.
Saying X guard won't come here because we signed two 2-3 stars is like saying Leonard Fournette was worried about Rawls.
|14 hours 43 min ago||Yep, makes me think no||
Yep, makes me think no transfers for us and Huff wants to stay local. Bummer - he looked very interesting and had great size and experience.
|16 hours 8 min ago||Not betting against anyone.||
Not betting against anyone. By definition there are 200 minutes available a night on a basketball court and only X number of kids are going to get the bulk of them. And at his position 80 minute between the 2 and the 3... of which next year Irvin and Caris will soak up 65. That leaves 15 for anyone else on the roster next year.
The year after there is a real possibility both players leave (and at minimum Caris) and he will at least be a 21 year old in the system a year and have a chance to get some serious playing time. That was the spot Blackmon would have eaten up but he will be doing it at Indiana instead of here.
What I do know is there is a great chance this staff will get the maximum out of MOST (not all) players ... but each player has their own ceiling. Ceilings are just reality and considering his offers were Ivy League type you assume his is lower than the type of guys UM is now recruiting yearly. So we'll see.
|16 hours 12 min ago||Is there any smoke around||
Is there any smoke around Thomas? I see he is a junior so he'd have to sit out a year no? Or does the coaching change allow you to transfer without sitting?
The 6-foot-8 Thomas is a junior who led the team in scoring (15.4 points per game) and rebounding (8.1),
|16 hours 21 min ago||The reality is if Mitch goes||
The reality is if Mitch goes we have issues inside and there are no good alternatives in 2014 - you just are going to play 4 wings and Donnal / SOMEONE has to eat up 40 minutes a nite - assuming Donnal gets about 22, Bielfeldt will probably be stuck there playing 7-8 and then someone else has to play 10 - I guess Doyle. It won't be very fun.
Obi is a logical choice but he doesn't seem interested for odd reasons - he likes Vandy, Duke, Northwestern et all - all similar schools to UM in academics and other than Duke we have the bball advantage over the rest. Strange one.
|16 hours 26 min ago||From what I read kid was very||
From what I read kid was very high on UCLA but the Rosen announcement took his spot. He fits the Dantonio model with Cook - good arm, decent mobility. Won't be playing until his senior year or junior year as the second coming (Terry) is ahead of him.
|16 hours 29 min ago||Projected 5s: Mitch (?),||
Projected 5s: Mitch (?), Doyle, Donnal part time, Bielfeldt as emergency
Projected 4s: Donnal part time, Chatman part time, Bielfdelt, eventually Wilson?
Projected 3s: Irvin / Caris , Chatman part time, maybe some minor MAAR
Projected 2s: Irvin / Caris , MAAR
Projected 1s: Walton Jr, Spike
I think the 4 is actually pretty loaded up, but that assumes Mitch comes back. If Huff wants to leave the West Coast than the 3/4 is actually pretty crowded and we need to focus on the 2 because Caris is headed to the NBA. So I'd say the 2 and the 5 are the keys. Especially if Irvin explodes and becomes a candidate to leave after next year. Next year's class also needs a 1 as Walton Jr will be a JR and Spike a SR.
|16 hours 40 min ago||I see him as a more explosive||
I see him as a more explosive version of what Spike brings to PG - that he can bring to the 2 (and maybe a little 3). His knock seems to be outside shot which frankly is something I think our staff can help the most with. Seems to be a get to the rim type which will be tougher obviously in the NCAA (Big 10 especially) and needs to work on his outside game. He actually has some nice comment in scouting reports on defense which is very needed for this team as dribble drive penetration is bad.
Next year if he spells Caris for 5-7 minutes a game and in the coming 3 years can do a Spike role where he puts in 12-15 minutes a game as a reserve while other high end recruits fill starting positions, it will be fine. I do agree with your view that people need to temper expectations on every signing since we are going to have wings and guards that do NOT go to the NBA. It will be nice to have some players stick around for 4 years to provide depth and continuity - this kid is going to be on the 2017-2018 squad at "24 years old" assuming another Caris miracle doesnt happen. Having junior and senior "glue guys" guiding our "two and thrus" is needed.
|17 hours 1 min ago||Here is more from UMhoops.||
Here is more from UMhoops.
|17 hours 12 min ago||Interesting pickup - I think||
Interesting pickup - I think with GR3 and Nik gone his age became an asset versus what Beilein normally does and pick up guys who are younger then their class. This is a lot like Spike actually - with Burke gone he wanted some experience so he went older rather than younger with a late signing. Maybe that limits upside some but it usually means he can contribute right away which is what next year's squad will need at the 2/3.
|19 hours 8 min ago||Or Horford. I know he is not||
Or Horford. I know he is not the most popular dude around here right now but if your family told you each and every summer you should transfer and you stuck it out - that is something to admire too. Family pressure can be intense. Yes he eventually did it but after getting his degree and not having to sit out a year.
|1 day 9 hours ago||So fun to be an underdog with||
So fun to be an underdog with no expectations. This is exactly the type of game some underdog played against us for many years.
|1 day 10 hours ago||Hard to determine much from||
Hard to determine much from this game other than he is 'longer' and bulkier than most of us assumed.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Yes...but STILL A WHITE GUY||
Yes...but STILL A WHITE GUY with all the proverbial bullet points that must be attached to said dude. lol
|1 day 11 hours ago||So anyhow back to Chatman.||
So anyhow back to Chatman. He really looks like another stretch 4 candidate out there. If Mitch comes back and plays 32-33 minutes at the 5, Donnal puts in 15 at the 4, and 7 at the 5, and Chatman can give us 20 at the 4, you assume Irvin and Caris are going to eat up huge minutes at the 2 and 3 (over 30 min each)... things are looking pretty solid there in the front court. He is bigger (thicker) than I thought - already about the same "width" as GR3 but with 2 additional inches.
In this scenario you are not asking for crazy things from our first year players - 22 minutes out of Donnal and 20 minutes out of Chatman. Lighter loads than GR3 took as a freshman. And you ask Mitch, Caris, and Irvin to play minutes that Nik, Caris, and GR3 played this year. Walton/Spike split the PG as they did this year. The nights Donnal and/or Mitch get in foul trouble you throw Bielfeldt out there for 7-10 a night.
Dear Mitch - please come back.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Yes he is at IU. I was||
Yes he is at IU. I was living in a theoretical world where we were in the top 2-3 for Blackmon before he rejected us. :(
|1 day 11 hours ago||Yes, looks like an elite||
Yes, looks like an elite shooter. Granted they don't play defense in this game but still he and Yogi will make for a heck of a backcourt. Too bad IU has no front court next year. No idea what he was sold to go to Indiana over Michigan other than video of the Bobby Knight era. I would say he will outlast Crean at Indiana but in this era he will probably be a 2 and done player.
|1 day 11 hours ago||If McGary came back and we||
If McGary came back and we got Kam and Blackmon I say we're in the Elite 8 again. There I said it.
McGary, Donnal, Irvin, LeVert, Walton Jr,
Bench: Spike, Chatman, Blackmon as the top 8. Chatman and Irvin would be the backup "out of position 4s" for 20-25 minutes a game while Donnal sat or was the 5 for 8 minutes a night.
|1 day 11 hours ago||"he is a hard worker, not the||
"he is a hard worker, not the most athletic guy but has a high basketball IQ YADA YADA YADA"
|1 day 11 hours ago||lol - token white guy!||
lol - token white guy!
|1 day 11 hours ago||Sigh we were after both||
Sigh we were after both Blackmon and Booker. Sad panda.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Feels like in 5-10 years the||
Feels like in 5-10 years the difference between a 2 (3) and a 4 in college will be negligible - these guys are all 6'7-6'9 with ball handling skills.
OMG GUYS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT CHATMAN
|1 day 11 hours ago||Havent heard Kam's name||
Havent heard Kam's name once. Too busy fellating Duke and UK players. Okafor does look ridiculously beastly.
It is amazing how loaded these classes have become with a few schools dominating. Duke has 4 of the top 21 ? Cmon now.
|1 day 12 hours ago||So Duke is becoming 1 and||
So Duke is becoming 1 and done next it appears from this roster with 4 of these dudes, matching UK.
Also playing defense appears optional in this game.
|1 day 12 hours ago||Wow serious talent in this||
Wow serious talent in this game. Most of the big names in this recruiting class.
|1 day 12 hours ago||I am not agreeing nor||
I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with you but assuming Walton Jr is a ball handler, it sounds like Chatman has a pretty good handle from the quotes I posted from his dad and godfather/coach (it sounds like they think of him as a PG). Let's say his handle is similar to Tim Hardaway Jr. (I am guessing). If you put those 2 together you have the ball handling and I think all but Doyle are shooters in that scheme. But we'll see.
Anyhow I am excited - this was a guy Arizona was after so it's not a light recruit. Don't want to drink too much maize kool aid but difficult not to thinking what happens to these wings and guards under Jordan and Beilein.
|1 day 12 hours ago||He was 6'7 200 per Scout so||
He was 6'7 200 per Scout so it would not be a reach to have gained 10 lbs and an inch in meantime. Dad says he was 6'7.5" back "then". Sounds like he could be anything from a 2 to a 4. Looks like ironically his shooting is one issue but with the shooting guru as our HC that is fixable.
Chatman benefits handsomely from outstanding height and length. He's not only long, he plays big because he doesn't mind contact and has a knack for using his knees, hips and elbows to clear space. His rebounding stands out. Chatman is a conscientious boards-man on both ends, and he's especially dangerous on the offensive glass. His jump shot can be hit or miss, but the southpaw wields a very high-arching shot that's difficult to block.
As a 4, Chatman has the passing and ball-handling skills necessary to operate out of the high post. Once he is able to pack on some weight at the college level, he should be able to back down defenders as well. A smooth turnaround jumper, which Chatman flashes at times, will help him score over opposing forwards.
He’s listed as a small forward, but he’s a guard, he’s a playmaker,” Metoyer said. “He’s not necessarily a big-time scorer, but he could be. He’s more adept at his skills for the game and making plays. That’s kind of why he fell into that point guard camp. You’ll see him at the next level on the perimeter, making plays. He can post smaller guys up and knock down shots on the perimeter and just be the ballhandler they need him to be. Michigan had a system that fit his skill set really well.
From his dad:
|1 day 13 hours ago||Wait, what does this have to||
Wait, what does this have to do with basketball?
|1 day 13 hours ago||How about C: Doyle||
as a group if Irvin goes in 2015-2016... (and yes Irvin you can stay for your junior year!)
A boy can dream no?