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|2 hours 19 min ago||Agree. There is no like||
Agree. There is no like replacement for Wilson on the roster. Everywhere else you at least have someone with a modicum of experience. He needs to be bubble wrapped through September. If Furman had stayed - despite the disaster plays here or there - he would probably be the starting safety across from Wilson at this point. At least to begin the year until some younger guy got experience. Or if not starting, Wilson's primary backup if Hill or Thomas won the other S spot. With a bevy of CBs I would not mind seeing one of them convert to S this year.
|2 hours 23 min ago||I think the front 7 should be||
I think the front 7 should be quite good. When I see words like outstanding I cringe because it's a bit extreme. The LBs as a group *should* be the Big 10s best - you have experience with Ryan and Morgan. Ryan if he is back to 2012 Ryan should be one of the best in the conf even with position switch. Morgan is not a quick twitch destroyer but is competent. I see Gedeon pressing him over time based on the flashes I saw last year. Ross is that age where it should all come together for him as long as he is kept relatively clean. Bolden is also at that similar age where they now have 2 years of games in their memory banks and 2 years of getting bigger and more physical. RJS is an unknown but any contribution from him would be nice. But there are 5 very solid Big 10 LBs and Gedeon is the type who I think could become special - maybe not this year but he made a few Ryan-like plays as a freshman v OSU.
I am not as worried about the DTs as a lot of people - I see a plethora of players who won't be Freshman or RS Freshman who can contribute. Pipkins coming back would help but Henry and Wormley were probably the 2 best "splash" players last year and both are still young and should be stronger - Wormley a year removed from ACL now. Hurst is getting some "hype" talk, and in the 2nd to 3rd string you have 3rd year guys like a Godin and Strobel now - they have not been impact guys but at this age they should be competent backups. And Glasgow as a 3rd stringer - you could do worse. Mone a wildcard here.
The DEs I dont expect miracles out of Clark - he is what he is, but he is a senior and should be in the top third of the league DEs. Beyer should be "solid". A lot of wildcards in the backups - can Charlton take a step? Will Mario O have any serious impact? Is Poggi going to contribute?
I actually see a lot more players with potential to flash in the DTs than the DEs right now. But overall I don't see this group getting slashed in the run game - aside from Mone and Charlton and Poggi everyone is a 3rd year player or older I believe in the DL.
Also understated is having good corners helps the rest of the D so much. I dont know how much better Taylor or Countess will be but they have a ton of experience and now a bevy of young guys with promise like Lewis and Stribling to push them - and those players are not wide eyed freshman or RS freshman (aside from peppers).
S remains my largest concern on the defense, could be a serious issue esp if Wilson has any injury at all. Everyone else is unproven. Ironically your Marlin Jackson comment is something I wouldn't mind seeing - Raymon Taylor back at S would at least give us some football playing experience at a position we sorely lack it.
|2 hours 38 min ago||3 and 4 sort of go together.||
3 and 4 sort of go together. Hard to control the clock and limit turnovers if you cannot run well. The only exception I suppose being a west coast offense that throws 6-10 yard passes most of the time and uses a pass in the flat in lieu of running.
I dunno - these seems like basics for any conference. Run the ball well, don't turn the ball over, stop the other team from running. Seems to work in the NFL too. MSU was awesome at the latter 2 and good enough at the first last year - I think they turned the ball over 15 times the entire year. OSU last year was likewise very good at the first two and maybe weaker in the third one. I think the first 2 we can do this year as our D line gets better in the middle and our LBs should help. We had a disaster versus OSU where we looked helpless to stop OSU but generally run defense was "solid" much of the year; the pass defense was where things were very bad.
3 and 4 are the question marks to me. Until Devin shows the ability to read defenses better pre-snap, make better decisions, and find his secondary receivers it feels like we are in feast or famine mode in our passing game. And everyone on earth knows the situation in the running game.
|2 hours 48 min ago||I think it is a bit||
I think it is a bit overstated that so many recruits are waiting for UM's season to unfold. You hear in comments now from various recruits "Michigan is rebuilding" or similar and we have about half the class already full. Many of the guys remaining are guys on their own schedule who have stated certain dates in the future.
I think 2013 already turned off the recruits who are not going to consider UM. Other than guys like maybe a Harris I think most are not so focused on if UM wins a game in October 2014 but whether UM is a good fit.
Obviously this is with the caveat the team doesnt look like complete garbage for 2 months.
|2 hours 55 min ago||MSU has a boatload of young||
MSU has a boatload of young RB's - and now they added Scott. If the depth chart means anything I would think UM has more of an opening if the relationship continues to "rebound". While we do have Isaac who probably is a 98% chance of being a 2015 there is no 2014 RB. MSU has 2 in 2014 by comparison. That said Dantonio is infamous for taking offensive players and turning them into defensive ones if they are the best athletes so I am just going off their HS position.
There is also a second lower kid out of OH MSU is hot and heavy on who seems 90% sure to go to MSU but they are in the balancing act of waiting to see if Weber commits versus going after plan B who would almost surely.
|12 hours 20 min ago||Most likely scenario now is||
Most likely scenario now is this pushes Weber to UM. Harris we are still in the running for but the tea leaves seem to read OSU.
Scott is a very nice pickup for MSU - that's the 4th ranked RB in the nation. Yhey have generally not recruited top end guys on their offense outside of a few like Burbridge and that TE who went pro a few years ago too early but those were Michigan kids. They are starting to make some serious inroads in PA and this would be one big get out of OH. Urbz can't be too happy about it but I am sure this will increase his focus even more on Harris.
Interesting, some of the Buckeye fans think they are going to get both Harris and Weber. I thought Weber was more of a MSU v UM thing.
|12 hours 36 min ago||A top end staff is far more||
A top end staff is far more important than any 1 player. There should be 3 very good RBs here at minimum when he arrived and if Weber is landed, 4. The OL is far more important in my eyes than the RB unless is a once every 5 year guy like maybe Fournette will be.
So yeah it will suck but we have a whole cadre of RBs - any of which should prosper if they are anywhere near to their HS hype.
p.s. I have no idea if Nuss is "top end staff"; I am simply implying if he turns out to be a great catch he is far more important than any 1 RB.
|16 hours 51 min ago||Thought this was a joke.||
Thought this was a joke. wow.
Go with the young kids and let them learn - these are not 19 year olds (well aside from Mantha). Pathetic. Have been a Kenny supporter but this sort of thing really makes me question what the hell is going on.
|16 hours 53 min ago||Corey Lacanaria 2 stars lol.||
Corey Lacanaria 2 stars lol. I'd take him and put him at slot tomorrow - same size as Gallon who did fine in college - needs about 15 lbs and he'll be a sick matchup. Guy has serious change of direction and speed to waste. I'd be shocked if he finishes at Ball State when it is all said and done.
Jabrill needs to learn fast he is not going to out beast people at this level.
|17 hours 8 min ago||Thanks for the summary - once||
Thanks for the summary - once a quarter like this would be nice :)
|1 day 2 hours ago||No - to Arlo.||
No - to Arlo.
|1 day 2 hours ago||There is way more media of||
There is way more media of all sorts, incl social media than in Jordan's day. I dont remember Jordan being a free agent and considering other teams. When he quit for baseball and was considering coming back there was massive coverage.
Heck, Jack Morris in 87 with his furry coat got a lot of media coverage for shopping his services.
I get the Tebow hate because it is a lot of attention for a marginal player in the NFL but this is the best player in the world. And this is a slow time in sports - there is baseball and ...that is about it for most Americans (World Cup a distant 2nd).
|1 day 3 hours ago||Can you flesh it out for||
Can you flesh it out for me?
Last I checked we have a $4M+ HC, and two coordinators paid in the top 10 at their positions. Are we not paying the position coaches well? We have a nice recruiting /training center if you exclude the Oregons and Alabamas. What other "resources" does UM lack that is "holding us back" Further - how is MSU and Wisconsin able to play at the top 2-4 spots in the Big 10 most of the past half decade (and longer for Wisconsin) with what I assume are "less resources" than UM?
Again, I'd like to know what resources we lack on football so Brandon can get on the case and fix it. Other than budget for band to neutral field games I guess I am missing where UM football's program is being cheated in resources.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Agreed. Stanford, MSU,||
Agreed. Stanford, MSU, Bama. That system seems to work just fine. As does spread.
Throw in some meme about Jimmy and Joe's over X and O's here.
|1 day 3 hours ago||The lines were just about the||
The lines were just about the same in age - our age was in the tackles, theirs was in the center and 1 guard. The rest of the lines match up very equally in "age".
Even if you want to offer up a starting center upperclassmen is more valuable than a left tackle our center was generally the best of the 3 underclassmen ... and it is really hard to make an argument that 2 lines similar in age/experience - that if we had Taylor Lewan as center and Glasgow was a left tackle we'd have a line capable of playing with Alabama's defense last year and do well in the SEC week by week and have a bazillion yards rushing like Auburn did.
Sorry I am not buying this stock. Something was very amiss last year and either every recruiting service nailed every Auburn under classmen and whiffed on ours or the coaches at our school did a poor job compared to the coaches at Auburn in regards to line play.
UCLA likewise had a line YOUNGER than ours on average and while not an awesome line their offense looked good much of the time and there is no talk on UCLA boards last year about having the worst OL in their school history.
Let's not make excuses - it was horrid last year and Glasgow vs Auburn center was not the root cause of 90% of it. They had 4600 f**** yards last year on the ground and a 6.3 average, much of that versus SEC defenses. They averaged ~340 yds a game. When we played 1 elite defense we had negative yardgage. Another average defense we went 27 for 27. SEC like power UConn had penetration in our backfield half the run plays.
So yeah, if our left tackle was a RS frosh and our center was a RS jr I am sure we'd have matched Auburn's production.
|1 day 6 hours ago||Wouldn't read too much into||
Wouldn't read too much into that. I don't know if he plays baseball away from HS but in most sports if you are a "good XX player, you play a lot of XX" i.e. travel leagues. An average XX player would not be playing a lot of XX as he would normally just play for his HS team.
In a sport I know, a good soccer player will play for his HS team in the fall and then go play for his club in the spring and winter (indoors). And be training 10 months a year, if not more. An average soccer player will just play 3 months for HS.
Baseball I believe is a HS spring sport and football a fall sport so he might be a kid who plays travel baseball in the fall when most guys of his caliber are focusing on nothing but football. I guess we can ask Drew Henson.
XX = any sport
|1 day 14 hours ago||The only guy I mentioned||
The only guy I mentioned having a star out of a bevy of players I listed was LT. The reason is because he is one of the few 5 stars on either team (there are seven 5 stars between the 2 teams, he is 1 of the 7). He is going to be a backup for them, I am not saying FEAR LT, HE WILL DOMINATE EVERYONE. In fact LT has sort of been a Will Campbell type for them -a nothingburger thus far. He is just another player in their rotation - a deep rotation. Everyone else I mentioned for MSU I didnt say a thing about their high stars... in fact some of their best players are 3 and 2 stars. I have no idea how many stars Heath, Ferguson, etc even have.
There was not a signifcant dropoff in their team when their DTs rotated in and out - which they do frequently. And that is a spot on their team they did lose some key starters. So I am just pointing out they have a lot of players - regardless of stars - who are having impact on a college football field on their DL - I have no idea on the stars on any of them outside of Calhoun (3) and LT (5).
Earlier I talked about their safeties and I mentioned a high 4 star Cox they have - but he has not done anything on the football field yet. So I listed the lower rated guy with 44 tackles as their first option since he has done something. Etc. I am more about production on a college football field than starz.
|1 day 14 hours ago||Likewise, especially if (a)||
Likewise, especially if (a) Pipkins comes back healthy early and (b) Wormley comes inside as a DT. I think there are enough guys now that we can have a nice rotation for those 2 inside spots. There are also "depth guys" like Godin and Glasgow who can give a breather. Hurst seemed to have some bowl hype but we'll see on him.. I dont buy hype anymore until I see it on the field. But I think this position surprises to the upside.
I am a lot more worried about that 2nd safety spot and the fact Wilson has to be protected in bubble wrap - any injury to him and we have zilch experience in the safeties. It doesnt seem like the coaches are giving any consideration to moving an extra corner out to safety, which I am worried might bite us. I'd like some experience back there.
|1 day 14 hours ago||Thanks SC - I meant Waynes||
Thanks SC - I meant Waynes takes over as #1 corner rather than follow a WR around. We'll see if he is better or not - I sort of think Dennard is a bit overrated and got away with a lot of "handsy" stuff that will be PI in the NFL. He got beat by a freshman Western Michigan player a few times but their QB was so bad they couldnot exploit it a lot.
And yes their system is based on good QBs of which the Big 10 lacks. So the system is perfect for the Big 10. The Pac 12, Big 12 and SEC generate a lot more serious NFL prospects nowadays. I watched the Iowa MSU game last year and the Iowa QB didnt really have the arm strength to throw an out pattern past 15 yards - it was weird. So combine that with their "physical" play and a dearth of NFL talent at the QB spot (the Big 10 probably has 2 legit QB prospects, and 1 plays for MSU -the other was a freshman last year) and it's a good solution. And makes me scratch my head why Mattison is so fearful of playing press corners.
All that said until proven otherwise I pencil in MSU at a top 15 defense every year until Dantonio leaves. Tressel and Saban both said Dantonio has a great eye for defensive talent and I compare it to Beilen - they can find prospects that are overlooked and can fit their systems. They seem to take a lot of athletes who are not perhaps "awesome" HS football players and find ways to utilize them. Defense is more about athleticsm, awareness, quick twitch, strength, leverage etc than specific ball skills so it makes sense how they focus on more raw athletes in HS and still find a way.
Iowa was very similar in terms of always being top level on defense with Norm Parker and they did not have the same level of athletes that MSU gambles on and seems to find and develop. When Norm left, the Iowa defense fell off a bit (but has recently recovered). Last year's MSU defense was truly special but that group had a great mix of old guys and NFL type players who were underlcassmen (Rush, Waynes, Drummond, Jones, Calhoun). And a lot of those senior leaders last year were likewise playing key minutes on the 2012 and 2011 defenses which were not elite but very good. They have built something very good over there on defense.
|1 day 15 hours ago||Most CEO types,especially of||
Most CEO types,especially of the male sex, (I'm a male) tend to need to have an ego to get to that level in a public corporation. Then once they reach the CEO level they tend to be surrounded (by design or the way these things work) a bunch of yes men and brown nosers. I am sure it is not much different in the AD of a major university. Long story short when you hear how he doesnt undestand people, seems cold, seems indifferent, narrow focuded,has blinders on, seems confused by any criticism, etc - this is a guy who for 15+ years has been surrounded by people telling him yes he is smart at every turn. He has lived in a bubble being a head honcho for a long time.
That doesn't mutually exclude him from being a great AD - but when you guys describe some of your qualms with him it sounds almost identical to my experiences with a handful of public CEOs and their "yes men" in the 2 levels right below them.
Discosure - I am indifferent to Dave Brandon as an AD at Michigan, he has done some good things and some dumb things. And I don't think every guy who played/practiced under Bo is a magical man who is above reproach.
|1 day 15 hours ago||I think the "great" level is||
I think the "great" term is levied far too easily - Mattison is a very good D-coordinator. I would not call him great. Beilein is "great". No one in our football program is great right now. And Brandon did not get Mattison per se - he came because of the Hoke hire. So if you want to do transitive theory... I guess you credit Brandon then.
Also if Brandon had the budget of his predecessor he would have been hamstrung just the same - we didnt want to pay $350K? back them to help RR on defense and now we are throwing nearly a million at both our coordinators. Most people in their jobs would look "great" if given resources 2-3x their successor.
As for Nuss - people say he did "great" at Bama - guess what anyone would have done great at Bama with that talent level. He didnt have to deal with a RS FR QB or anything, he had 2 years of a very experienced QB, a load of NFL talent on the OL, NFL type RBs, etc. I don't know if he is "great" or "not great" - but his work at places with lesser talent would tell me more about Nuss than being at Bama. The talent at Bama the past 3-4 years would make any coordinator look fine and dandy.
So I am not calling our coordinators great - they both seem above average. I think Mattison we know what his level is, its somewhere below elite and above average. Where it is exactly I don't know but I don't see it as great. Nuss is more of an open question because he seemed to do good things at lesser BCS type schools then was handed a Rolly Royce at Bama - and he is still young and can improve.
That said they both are being paid as if they are the top 5-7 coordinators in the country. Are we getting good value for that money? Most people don't care because UM football is an infinite honey pot but if you want to judge an AD it's about value for the money as well. I don't know myself - I see we are pissing money in every direction on our coaches in the football program for thus far mediocre results. That could be for many reasons outside their control but I can't put any coordinator (Mattison) on a team that was 8th place in a sh** conference as great esp when his defense was not elite. And I could put 20 offensive coordinators into that Bama offense and they would have done +/- 5% of what Nuss did.
|1 day 18 hours ago||I liked the honesty myself.||
I liked the honesty myself. It would be different than if he went up to the ref right after and say I did it. If I remember the replay right he was looking around right after to see if they caught him before celebrating.
I believe Henry did the same thing in 2010 qualifying in the "wildcard" match vs Ireland to quality for WC.
|1 day 18 hours ago||yes it is endess fun debate||
yes it is endess fun debate for any sport. Players today as a whole are way more better on average. The top end player is probably similar but your guy #5 on any team is generally better than he was 50 years ago. Everyone is bigger, average dude is faster, everyone eats well (mostly), healthcare is better, etc.
Taking it to football you take a guy from a 1960s offensive line and put him out there today and he'd be a TE.
These are arguments for the bar. They are all excellent plaeyrs and lets be happy we have one to watch in his prime. Having Zidane 15 years ago, and Ronaldo as well - lots of great players to enjoy this era.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Probably they'd be considered||
Probably they'd be considered "equals" more than 1 is better than the other. Messi could score 500 goals a year for Barca but until he carries Argentina to a title he wont be viewed as highly in his home country.
These arguments are just that - it is like the guys who argue who is better in baseball among generations i.e. Babe Ruth v Ted Williams vs modern day dude etc.
These guys are all dominant in their era and if you put them in another era would be as well. My opinion is the modern era you have way more talent found across the globe - there could have been 3-4 guys of Messi level playing in a small town in Algeria or Yugoslovia or Peru who would never have been found in 1958. Wheras now the chance of that dude being found at age 8 is a lot more probable.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Dutch have been fortunate.||
Dutch have been fortunate. Could have lost to Mexico, or at least tied and gone to extra. Mexico carried a good portion of that game. While they dominated CR they didnt score and could have been knocked out on PKs.
They were probably a bit better in 2010 actually but just ran into one of the best teams ever.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Congrats Argentina. Played||
Congrats Argentina. Played more constructive today -
|1 day 19 hours ago||Well 120 minutes of doing||
Well 120 minutes of doing nothing for Aguero - made up by 1 kick.
|1 day 19 hours ago||wow. great save.||
wow. great save.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Never understood not putting||
Never understood not putting your best players first to shoot - puts pressure on other team. When you save him for #4 #5 he might not shoot. I like Argentina way.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Messi and Neymar both have||
Messi and Neymar both have been great with little support from teammates. Robben has been great. Mueller has been great but has a lot of support. James Rodriguez is probably the other of the top 5 in the tourney. Who has been better than those 5? Kroos and Schuerrle have been very good more quietly than Mueller. Ronaldo was quiet.
Most who compare anyone to Pele have never seen Pele play - I've seen only highlights. Maybe he is better maybe he is not - I have no idea, different world then. Messi is playing a lot better competition day in and day out. Scouting nowadays unearths a ton of players that never played professionally in Pele's age - or even Maradona's.
p.s. in 86 Maradona didnt score much in the group stage- he dominated knockouts. (he did have a ton of assists and was great throughout - just sayin)