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|16 hours 42 min ago||No I was not. I think||
No I was not. I think Campbell fell 50+ spots his senior year as his issues became more clear. But I'd take a sure handed receiver who is a 7 on athleticism over a 9 who has a lot of drops. People tend to fall in love with measurables - even NFL people, over guys who can just play.
I say this as a guy dying for UM to have a speed Wr.
|16 hours 45 min ago||Perfect aside for lack of||
Perfect aside for lack of bowling balls and pins.
|19 hours 30 min ago||Agree on this. Utah may beat||
Agree on this. Utah may beat us but they grind it out - they win with defense, running, and special teams. They could strangle us like 23-13 or something.
BYU on the other hand, if Hill has a huge game and Jake does not could be ugly. Esp because they have a legit run defense and UM has not been able to function as a run offense without Drake Johnson in 2+ years (excl App States of the world).... this is the first year in many we have to rely on actual running backs to work and not fall back onto a running QB.
BYU is more explosive and they will get their points either way. Utah is not. These are almost completely opposite teams. That said Utah has prob the 2nd best runner UM will face this year as well so the run defense has to be good right out of the gate as their wont be a "practice game".
|19 hours 36 min ago||"....if you keep Taysom Hill||
"....if you keep Taysom Hill under wraps and control the ball on offense "
Agreed but easier said and done. Top end players tend to lift their team. You basically gave the exact same game plan for 2012 for every team that played UM. "...if you keep Denard robinson under wraps and control the ball on theoffense"
Or you could have said that about Syracuse about 25 years ago "...if you keep Donovan McNabb under wraps..."
Michigan needs to show it can control the ball on offense - BYU has a top 20 rush defense in the nation. So that is also easier said then done. You can exploit BYU almost at will through the air. Thankfully we have a QB who can actually do that now. If rudock was not here this would have major upset potential and even with him here he has to have a big game.
|19 hours 41 min ago||So 12-2 Boise State run by||
So 12-2 Boise State run by one of the best coaches in the country would not beat 2014 Michigan? But beat Zona? Sure.
UCF gave Penn State all they could handle. Michigan and PSU were very similar last year.
Memphis was 10-3 and lost to UCLA 42-35 in Los Angeles.
You are going off names of teams rather than product on the field.
All those opponents would have given 2014 Michigan all it could handle.
|19 hours 45 min ago||Boise State was 12-2 last||
Boise State was 12-2 last year - you realize that right? Boise would have beat UM by 20+ last year as well. They beat Arizona in their bowl 38-30 and last year's Arizona beat Oregon.
I said BYU had a crap pass defense - something Boise happens to do very well (throw the ball). I expect a high scoring game as both offenses exploit the other.
BYU is not a BCS team but its not a pushover which was the point of the original comment ie. "I see the 3 non Utah games as easy wins." I am calling for them to go into Neb and pull off the upset in game 1 this year. And give UM everything it can handle on defense.
|21 hours 9 min ago||You realize it is a 2 way||
You realize it is a 2 way street right?
Corley has been cool to UM for a long time. So you don't have as much of a "decision" as you are making it sound to be. Mitchell is basically OSU v UM battle and OSU has some higher priorities apparently so UM has a good chance. Corley is OSU v MSU v TN with UM basically on the outside looking in.
So part of "prioritizing" is going after who wants you to go after them. Doesnt mean you dont try for both but butting your head against a wall repeatedly surely gets old after a while. For all we know Corley could be #1 on the UM board but his interest has been lukewarm. Or he could be #3 or #5 - we'll never know.
If the scouting analysis above is accurate there is some danger in taking a guy whose hands are not the best but he is the "better" athlete. You roll the dice - he could be better or much worse. Ability to catch is sort of a big deal when it comes to WR no matter what your top end speed. That was the issue with George Campbell - freak athlete ... main issue was the dropsies. So yes his ceiling was uber high but that sort of guy can be a total bust at WR if he never fixes his hands.
It is a lot like guys who fall in love with measurables on a QB but his accuracy and decision making lack but you say "well his ceiling is super high if he can only fix those things." UM fans should be familiar with that...
|21 hours 22 min ago||Unless you've missed the past||
Unless you've missed the past 25 years of mobile QBs facing Michigan defenses and giving them nightmares you would be wrong to assume BYU is an easy win.
BYU's pass defense is garbage so I expect a very high scoring game but this is what awaits UM's defense. He basically turned from Denard Robinson in 2013 to Denard Robinson who completed passes at a 65% clip in 2014 before he got hurt.
Oregon State on the other hand is probably one of the best P5 matchups UM could find and probably the least scary team in the P12 this year. The other "garbage teams" in that conf at least have prolific offenses that can be an issue for UM this year if the offense is not ready to be "functional" in September.
|21 hours 27 min ago||BYU's star QB was hurt in||
BYU's star QB was hurt in game 5. They went on to lose the game he got hurt in and the next 3. A few weeks earlier they put up 40+ on Charlie Strong's defense at Texas full of 4/5 stars...and ranking 20ish FEI/S&P+ (or about 20 spots better than UM's defense). Both Texas and UM had garbage offenses.
|22 hours 33 min ago||Binjimen Victor really sounds||
Binjimen Victor really sounds like he should be a Wolverine along with his teammate Alixender Valiant.
|1 day 2 hours ago||Hopefully he and Adoree||
Hopefully he and Adoree Jackson trade some Heismans the next few years. Almost had both these guys in our backfield together.
USC’s do-everything Adoree Jackson is only a sophomore, but this will be the most important year of his college career.
Jackson wants to win the Heisman Trophy. He wants to win the Thorpe Award, which goes to the nation’s top defensive back. But he could also win those as a junior. What makes this year unique for Jackson is that he also wants to win an Olympic gold medal.
“Actually, I don’t think it will be hard for me (to win),” Jackson said. “I play offense, defense and special teams. Charles Woodson did it when he was at Michigan (and won the award in 1997). That’s how my mindset was set up when I came in to USC.”
With USC sometimes running a Wildcat formation, Jackson is even willing to play quarterback.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Per Mike Wilson: He did not||
Per Mike Wilson:
He did not let the Michigan State coaches know of his plans to go to Ohio State. His offer was yanked late last night. Arcuri got an offer as a result -- and it is a full offer.
I'm not sure if Michigan State is 100 percent done with Cupp after this, but right now, he would not be considered a commit.
Apparently this Cupp dude thought he was going to sneak into FNL and not get noticed. Ohio dude gonna Ohio.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Question for you - did you||
Question for you - did you hear why Hill (younger brother) transferred from Cass Tech (where UM is treated well) to King (where it is not so much)? Was it something that was well documented or not revealed? Thx
|2 days 4 hours ago||Not similar at all. Plenty||
Not similar at all. Plenty of MSU commits go visit other schools. They have a running back out of D.C. area who was just at a Bama camp last week and got an offer. I have to assume this guy was dishonest with Dantonio.
|2 days 20 hours ago||Is FNL an Urban thing? Or did||
Is FNL an Urban thing? Or did OSU have it before him. That looks like a ton of people if that amount of players were just hanging around one drill.
p.s. as I saw the clips I scrolled over onto the sidebar and here is an interesting one on somebody we barely have heard about. Crystal balls had this as a FSU v Bama battle.
Wolverines Soar Into Keyshawn Young's Top Two
|3 days 20 hours ago||I wish Meyer was 10 years||
I wish Meyer was 10 years older because this would be a much easier question to answer. Saban is at least old and when he goes Bama is right back on the track with all the blue bloods praying they make a good hire.
And while Chip Kelly was an outlier who went to the NFL I dont think many NFL teams will poke at Meyer due to his offensive system destroying QBs health. So if he is at OSU for 20 years that's not a great thing.
Most of the great coaches out there are in their 60s except for Patterson - Saban, Spurrier, Snyder (ok way more than 60s). While there is dispute on Miles and Dantonio they are both now in their 60s and probably have a half a decade to go. So if you look at this on a 10 year plan and assume Harbaugh is not going anywhere we and OSU are best positioned. Oklahoma still has a very good Stoops who is only mid 50s as well.
We'll see the staying power of Malzahn and Fisher.
Nearer term OSU is just rolling on all cylinders.
I like where we are going but as of today we are 20 yards behind in a 100 yard dash.
|3 days 21 hours ago||I agree. Mattison has not||
I agree. Mattison has not delivered on "I can make you into the next Ray lewis" mantra. So he had the Ravens stuff to sell his first 2 years - that is ancient history as far as these kids now.
He has made big improvements from what was here pre-Mattison but basically he has Clark and Jake Ryan to his NFL resume at this point in 4 years. And both those were last year and not really game changers in a Bosa, Gregory, etc. Hell Rich Rod has Scooby out at Arizona which is better thought than anybody we have sent to the NFL in past 4 years.
He will have Lewis and Henry down the road I would assume. Guys want to see they will be developed into NFL level players.
I am a bit surprised Durkin has not done more - again you can't tie a specific position to any specific coach in recruiting but he was supposed to be a wunderkid and thus far it's been a collection of lower level guys out of camps and aside from Ron Johnson not that much in the top 300.
We just have to do it on the field for that side of the ball.
|3 days 21 hours ago||Says Magnus.||
|3 days 22 hours ago||Rudock doesnt have a NFL||
Rudock doesnt have a NFL arm. He is basically a middle class man's Cousins. The Lions have a very accurate QB who sits as 3rd string for them who won nearly everything in college but has a spaghetti arm. You need to have a big arm to make those out throws vs NFL CBs.
Cook the jury will be out on how he performs when actually facing a pass rush. It would have been interesting to flip Hack and Cook last year to see how the 2 would have done. I'd imagine Hack would have had a splendid year as well when you only get sacked 10x in a season. MSU was #4 in the country on that count.
Again, most games Cook didn't even suffer a grass stain - compare that to the hell guys like Gardner and Hack went thru. Hack got sacked 44 (!!!) times last year.
|3 days 22 hours ago||I dont think Cook is not||
I dont think Cook is not aggressive. And really are you going to say any QB relative to Iowa is non aggressive? That might be one of the least aggressive offenses in the country.
Cook's YPA went up from 7.25 as a 1st year starter to 8.81 as a 2nd year starter. That's a huge jump and doesnt signify a low risk QB. The absolute # of 8.81 is also huge.
By comparison Rudock's 2013 YPA was 6.9 and only popped to 7.1
8.8 ypa would (without looking) be top 10 nationally for any QB in a P5.
Put another way Rudock completed 1 more pass than Cook but passed for 800 yards less.
|3 days 22 hours ago||Agree on this one so||
Agree on this one so much.
Literally saw a pass go thru a DBs hands and into a MSU WR for a TD vs Illinois I believe it was in 2013. Stanford dropped 2 passes into the chest - every MSU game it seems he gets 2+ drops of sure INTs. Must throw hard.
Reality is Cook has a low compl% for a college QB but has a quick release, ability to completely forget shitty plays (which is a big advantage many QBs dont have) and will come back and make a good one, and throws really well off the run IMO (better then in the pocket where he has stance issues). He also has great size and decent mobility for that size.
He also is very good on 3rd downs just from an anecodotal standpoint. Can't back it up with stats but he seems to make the play when needed. That offsets his pattern of overthrowing an open guy in the flat for an easy toss on 2nd and 8.
I wouldnt call him poor man's Henne but poor man's Rothelisberger. Another QB accused of living off great defenses for big wins - big, mobile, strong arm, not high completion % early in NFl career. Also what Russell Wilson is accused of.
He is a gamer.... and he was counted on to do a lot more in 2014 v 2013. He had a better 2014 than Rudock while I assume the 2 were very comparable in 2013.
One caveat - Cook has had EXCELLENT pass protect the past 2 years. The emergence of the MSU OL gets lost in their defensive prowess. I bet in 90% of his games he doesnt even have a grass stain. If you threw Cook behind UM or PSU's OL the past 2 years he'd be LOL PTSD just like the QBs who have played behind those lines.
|3 days 22 hours ago||There is that whole Bob||
There is that whole Bob Stoops has nearly the identical win % as hallowed Bo despite playing in an era of more parity and inability to stash 115 kids on scholarship thing as well. Stoops is getting shit on lately because he has some 3 loss seasons and Oklahoma hasnt won the big game of late but still great tradition, great staff, great coach, send tons of people to the NFL thing that kids seem to like. You know - exactly the same things we are selling here.
Plus to the average 17 year old Oklahoma has actually been a top 10 team just about his entire life.
|4 days 55 min ago||Fair points on position||
Fair points on position switches. As for lower ranked guys I'd expect some of them to begin popping up as warm interests if UM is even sniffing around - see Terrell Lucas who is in the 1200s and has warm interest.
Not worried about filling scholarships at DT - we need production replaced at DT in 2017. We need an entire 2nd string and at least a 5th guy to account for injuries i.e. 3 new guys to replace the Henrys Pipkins Wormleys Glasgows, hell Godins.
With the early success of Mone and seeing a lot of Polynesian types succeed elsewhere and our plethora of coaches with west coast connections I mentioned the Utah type players because they seem to make pretty damn good linemen. (that's racist!)
Under Kyle Whittingham, Utah continues to have success attracting many of the best Polynesian players in the nation. Eight members of Utah’s signing class of 2013 are Polynesian..
|4 days 1 hour ago||He has had the exact same||
He has had the exact same profile for about 4 months now. UM has been at 79% the entire time. He is a Louisville commit who maybe 4-5 months ago some thought would be a flip but now is not thought to be one so no one has a reason to change their picks. I bet he will be at 79% next Feb 1 as well.
If a guy is committed and is not going to flip there is no reason for anyone to go back and change their picks.
|4 days 1 hour ago||Can historians tell me more||
Can historians tell me more about this "leading by 40" thing? WD do you have a binder on this?
|4 days 1 hour ago||I will be interested in how||
I will be interested in how Campbell turns out. From all accounts he has "hands" issues like Ways does.
Treadwell of course - that dude is a superstar. Hope that grisly injury doesnt permanently slow him down - he looked like a top of the 1st round pick.
|4 days 1 hour ago||Works the same for Lavert||
Works the same for Lavert Hill - there has not been a UM pick in a year but we still show 40%. Of course its impossible to break this all down in a table like this.
I expect Bama to be there til the end along with Auburn. Until that signature is faxed in I expect the battle for Gary to continue.
|4 days 1 hour ago||We have to take a lot - aside||
We have to take a lot - aside from Hurst Jr and Mone almost our entire DT corps is gone after 2016. Otherwise you are talking guys like Pallante who might be a TE for Harbaugh anyhow.
It's a lot like whiffing on LBs last year. We have a big need there after 2016 and need to recruit for 2 classes in this one.
Surprised we are not going for a 300-500 type ranked DT as a backup plan (someone raw who could at least be a run stopper - the type of guys a Utah can get). It's a lot like "all in on Hand" 2 years ago and when no Hand we had no backup plan (Malik by then was MSU lean) and depth on DE suffered.
We are going to have a young defense one way or the other in 2017 which is why this class' defensive recruits are critical. Esp with how few we had in the 2015 class. Which is why I am wary we are taking so many projects in the secondary. But to a degree its not by choice I assume - Harbaugh can at least sell himself to the offensive recruits, we dont have the same ace in hole to sell defensive guys right now.
|4 days 1 hour ago||IBD||
|4 days 2 hours ago||I think people underestimate||
I think people underestimate the effect of having a quality QB (no offense to Devin who was hit or miss) in the throwing game who is consistent. He will have 1-2 shit games this year but 10 out of 12 consistent games will seen very very weird to UM fans as we have not had consistent performances since 2007. That's nearing a decade.
Yes we dont have guys who get open easily but either did Iowa outside of 1 player. Maybe these are all complimentary guys but a quality QB will make complimentary guys look better then they are while a "high ceiling low floor" guy whose passes are not often are target makes their wide receivers work extra hard and expose themselves to bad hits (Funchess).
There is a lot to YAC in simply throwing to a guy in stride rather than throwing it 1.5 yards behind him or 1 yard too high etc.
I dont expect miracles from the Ways, Canteen, Harris (fingers crossed on hammies) group but these guys already had more "buzz" in their first 1.25 yrs than the Dukes, Jones et al had in 3. That's a very low bar I understand but at least we heard some hype about those guys at some point - whereas the older dudes were "just another guy" in Jeremy Jackson mold.
If Cole can put in 15 catches as well it will be a bonus.
(and yes I assume rudock will be the man)