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- Walton Jr 6'0 185 - 33 MPG, 13.8 PPG, 46% FG, 47% 3 PT FG, 82% FT, 5.4 Reb, 3.0 Assists
- Morris 6'2 170 - 36 MPG, 10.0 PPG, 40% FG, 42% 3 PT FG, 73% FT, 4.5 Reb, 6.5 Assists
- 34 MPG, 17.3 PPG, 41% FG, 40% 3 PT FG, 82% FT, 3.0 Reb, 3.9 Assists
|1 hour 26 min ago||I did not make it. However I||
I did not make it. However I will take credit for cutting and pasting it into as many Harbaugh threads as possible.
|8 hours 34 min ago||Hoke will either be gone||
Hoke will either be gone early next week or "after a lengthy evaluation period" that coincidently lasts through Jan 1, 2015. Gut says next week though. Forget retaining him through a banquet - thats unfair to him if that is the only reason you keep him for another 2 weeks to hang in the wind. It's either 4 days or 40 days.
|8 hours 39 min ago||I'll leave this here...||
I'll leave this here...
|8 hours 43 min ago||p.s. I like what Jerry Kill||
p.s. I like what Jerry Kill has done but please dont put Minnesota in the same category as these others. TCU destroyed Minnesota this year.
All MN has done is beat up on bad teams (UM) and a fraud team with a brand name (Neb) and a lot of riff raff in the worst big 5 conference. And then promptly lost to Illinois. Their best perfmorance thus far is probably a loss to OSU. Their best win is a team Wisconsin could have beaten by 70 if not for 3 fumbles in the 1st quarter.
That's very different than what Baylor or TCU has done this year or heck ASU. Minnesota is again - filling a void - there are basically 3 quality teams in the entire conference. They are the best of the worst.
|8 hours 48 min ago||You named a lot of teams with||
You named a lot of teams with very good football coaches. I think we've reached a point with fancy offenses, and enough teams putting tons of money into facilties (where there is definitely parity in many programs) that there is a chance for any of 25-30 programs to do very well with the right coach.
But to specific names you also named teams that have been around a while outside of Miss State and Baylor - TCU was ranked top 10 multiple times the past decade and top 5 I believe at least twice. It's not new. KSU under Snyder is not new - he has had 1-2 loss teams multiple times, and top 10 teams multiple times. He is probably the best football coach on planet earth considering his recruiting classes are in the 60s.
Miss State can be categorized as a 1 year wonder until further notice and has the SEC benefit of oversigning. ASU has a very good coach and it is not like they never have been good - we played them in a Rose Bowl once and they had some good years under - wait for it - a good coach in John Cooper. So what worked in the 80s, works now - a good coach.
Only Baylor outside of Miss State would I consider "out of the blue" and brand new.
Also all the powers you listed falling off creates a power vacuum - someone has to fill it by default. So these are teams leading by default. Someone has to win 10-11 games a year if TN, UM, PSU, Texas, USC, Miami, Nebraska, et al is not. It would be different if "new era power team" was beating up on a bunch of powers (i.e. 1 great team beating another great team) - in most cases (not all) they are not. They are beating up on bad to average teams with a brand name on their jersey.
|9 hours 1 min ago||They replay Seattle in||
They replay Seattle in Seattle in 2 weeks. The San Fran team that goes there and lays an egg should definitely fire their coach IMO. But I'm biased!
|1 day 3 hours ago||I was scared where this one||
I was scared where this one was going after you wrote "We went over, hung out in Brian's basement, met his wife, and then we all proceeded to...."
but I was happy to see it was just to a Korean restaurant.
|1 day 15 hours ago||I think Mr. Rose would||
I think Mr. Rose would disagree with you. I'd have Rose 3rd on that list. Main hole in his game was 3 pt shooting which lacked compared to Grant and Burke. (and Walton)
|1 day 15 hours ago||5-6 years is an eternity in||
5-6 years is an eternity in the coaching profession. We are about to go through 2 entire staffs and onto our 3rd in football in that time frame. To sit as an understudy for half a decade in 1 of the top 10-15 programs in the country when every year there are 20 decent coaching positions that open (different than football, there are way more opportunities for head coaches in basketball) is a low probability. Going to a Marquette or Georgia Tech program and then coming back in 2020 is not at all unreasonable.
I am biased but I can't think of too many programs where I'd rather have an assistant coach. Programs like Duke Kansas Kentucky North Carolina have a bevy of HS All Americans so you can't really tell if its development or just rolling through 2-3 HS All Americans (or in UK's case 6) every year. Michigan and programs like Wisconsin you can see there is actual development going on. Florida is another one who gets a lot of good players but not necessarily the same as the big 5-6 programs, and has a great head coach that any assistant would benefit from being around for 5 years. Assistants at those type of schools would most interest me.
I also think there is an advantage for a coach to get exposure - even at a lower profile program - to being responsible for everything in a program. Not all coaches are made to be HCs. Sometimes you get a Jimbo Fisher, and sometimes you get a Will Muschamp in football terms.
|1 day 17 hours ago||Here is Jeff Goodman's first||
Here is Jeff Goodman's first round of mock (before the season began) - just to put in perspective how difficult it is for "short guys" to get drafted in the 1st, only two players in the entire first round are under 6'5 and those are PGs late in the 1st, and one of those is Tyus Jones who had a ton of hype coming out of HS. Again - Burke was a massive outlier at his size.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Why doubt it? I am shocked a||
Why doubt it? I am shocked a mid major has not come for him yet. Even if his ultimate goal is to be HC here if someone comes for him next year to be a HC it would probably be best for his career to go and get that experience. He could come back with that under his belt when Beilein retires in 5 years or whenever.
I am just glad he is being overlooked - the more years our player benefit from Jordan the better for our program.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Gary Grant was also my||
Gary Grant was also my favorite growing up - he was also an excellent defender. People forget but Grant was a scoring MACHINE in his Jr and Sr years - he scored over 20 per game. His 2 pt FG% was over 50% both years - for a guard that is rare. Dude was a sick stud and is often forgotten by many. In today's era we'd have only had him for 2-3 years.
This is the difficulty in comparing players from era - Trey would be a senior this year lol. If Burke was playing in the 80s he'd have gone down as one of the best players in Big 10 history with his 4 year totals.
Look at Grant's senior year - 21.1 PPG, 53% FG%, 44% 3 PT FG%, 81% FT, 6.9 assists per game, 3.4 rebounds, and 2.4 steals. And other than assists his junior year was better in all those categories!
|1 day 18 hours ago||Pretty interesting to compare||
Pretty interesting to compare him to Monte Morris who apparently Beilein offered scholarships to both (and I believe a 3rd PG I cant recall off top of my head) and whomever said yes got the scholarship.
Now we have to account for systems and need - Walton is needed to be more of a scorer this year as the 2nd/3rd option - Morris is on a much deeper team with 4 guys in front of him averaging 12.5 pts or more(!) but from first glance Morris is much more of a distributor while Walton is more of a scoring type PG. Walton is a better shooter but considering Beilein is a master at creating good shooters I'd think Morris would shoot better for UM than he does for ISU. I would like to see Walton increase his assists per game to something closer to 5 per game. Both rebound very well for undersized PGs.
Both are excellent 2nd year PGs and nice local products.
Here are Yogi Ferrell's 2nd year stats for comparison (his size is more like Walton Jr)
Yogi's stats are also why I think people just need to cool it on "he is so going pro" with a big year. If Walton was 6'4 I'd be worried but the market for 1st round draft choices is not overflowing for 6'0 guards unless you are national player of the year. Look at UConn's Napier who is a sick player and didnt leave early. What Burke did was pretty rare for a guard that size.
|1 day 21 hours ago||The OL disaster and class of||
The OL disaster and class of 2010 would have imploded anyone - including Saban for a year or two IMO. But better coaches would have recovered from that and mitigated it by 2014.
Also the inability to get JUCOs hurts us badly in this case and next year with QB for example. 90% of schools out there would have infused 3 JUCO OL 2012ish preparing for 2013, and 90% of schools this year would have a JUCO QB out there to compensate for having Russ and Shane as your 2 best options. Unfortunately we cannot.
|1 day 21 hours ago||When I did my coaching diary||
When I did my coaching diary on Patterson I thought he was basically Beilein of football who did not have to move from job to job to move up (unlike John). Instead his team got moved up through various conferences so he had a Beilein like experience without having to change jobs.
The other guy who is football Beilein is Bill Snyder. So those are the 2 football equivalents to Beilein. Unfortunately one is headed towards 80 years old and the other already has a NC contender in a conference that does not have Bama impeding him and sits in the Texas gold mine.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Well if Hackett is the full||
Well if Hackett is the full time hire his prehire evaluation period is 48 hrs. And his body of work is 30 days.
Is that better than a 60 day evaluation period? And bodies of work that range from 5 to 20 years of other candidates?
Hackett is the epitome of a rushed hire.
Again, this is not that difficult. Organizations lose people from the top of their chart all the time due to any number of reasons. You dont take 18 months to find a replacement.
|2 days 1 hour ago||"But if Schlissel asks him to||
"But if Schlissel asks him to stay on as the true permanent AD I don't really feel its selfishness if Hackett accepts the job because he thinks he can do it well."
Well I will disagree with you here on this point. If you are thinking of the greater good, you tell Schlissel you are honored for the offer but you see a landscape of 10-12 highly qualified, experienced AD canddiates who in this specific job bring more to the table and you don't take the job yourself. You continue to work to hire one of those 10-12 guys.
Just because a job is offered you dont take it "because I think I can do well". Almost every CEO type thinks he can do everything well. Thats part of what it takes to be a CEO culturally in a big business - a lot of self confidence.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Ok let me rephrase - if he||
Ok let me rephrase - if he takes the job he is selfish when there are a bevy of qualified national candidates he could be hiring.
Would he hire someone with no experience to have run Steelcase? That's what he would be doing by taking this job.
|2 days 1 hour ago||While I agree with your||
While I agree with your thought process it should not be a damn 180 day process to hire an AD. There are CEOs of S&P 500 companies hired in 90 days of evaluation or less. It's ridiculous. It speaks to a bloated organization - which granted most public universities are but UM is making it seem like hiring an AD requires the expertise of sending a man to the moon.
|2 days 1 hour ago||WHile a possiblity, feelers||
WHile a possiblity, feelers to real ADs such as Long, Bates, et al were sent out as early as 2nd week of October if you believe the rumblings via backchannels. I mean you'd have 60-75 days to evalute candidates such as that group and getting one hired by mid December shouldnt be that friggin difficult. These guys are experienced, know the business, you have to talk to them and get a feel for them personally and the ones who are not UM graduates (such as the Sooners AD) you have to see how they fit culturally but aside from that their track record is out there to evlaute for anyone.
If you put Hackett in a room with 50 ADs he'd not be one of the top 10 hires. That's the rub.
Same for Hoke with 25 other head coach candidtes in 2010-2011. If Hoke had been a DL coach at Oklahoma rather than Michigan he would never have been hired. Same for Hackett now - he has no qualification other than UM alum.
|2 days 1 hour ago||It was specifically stated in||
It was specifically stated in the press release during the Brandon firing he was an interim and had no intentions of full time job.
But this is Michigan fergodsakes.
Lame. No offense to Hackett but you have zero experience in this realm. Zero. I find this extremely selfish on his part.
|2 days 11 hours ago||Both Donnal and Kam showed||
Both Donnal and Kam showed their first real signs of contributing. Donnal is soft yes and will remain soft but had some nice vision out there as a passer and looks like a guy who will improve. Kam had his first game as a Wolverine where he made more than 1 shot. So those 2 guys along with Doyle are the 3 guys I see contributing meaningfully out of the freshman/RS freshman. Still holding out hope that Dawkins will be giving us 5-7 minutes a night by February but thus far he has not been a big piece of the rotation.
Wilson is going to get eaten alive by Big 10 physicality and on most Michigan team's would be redshirting. He and Sanderson need a year together. And MAAR is basically insurance on a catastrophic injury to one of the 3 guards.
Again to put in perspective that was a team tonight that didnt play 1 freshman in their top 7. They had 5 SR/JR + 2 SO. A team that lost 1 major piece from a 29? win team last year. And it was a matchup of 2 even teams. We looked a lot worse last year at this time with what probably was a team with more NBA talent on it.
TL;DR In Beilein we trust.
|2 days 11 hours ago||By the time they fly home I||
By the time they fly home I imagine they wont get to their houses/dorms until 4:30-5:00 AM either way.
Not sure why either game was so late - first game should have been a 7 PM tip and start the second game 9:15 PM.
|2 days 11 hours ago||There were times vs both||
There were times vs both Oregon and Nova he looked like he could get to the rim at will. I was hoping he'd do it more, esp when the Nova big man was out.
|2 days 11 hours ago||Also lets give credit to the||
Also lets give credit to the other team - in today's preview I was astounded at how many steals Nova got but it makes sense now. UM is one of the better possession teams and they made us look silly for a 15 minute stretch with their pressure. Their D is very good. And Ennis is a bad ass - some serious talent in that family. I have to imagine he is first team Big East.
Would love a rematch in the Elite 8!
|2 days 11 hours ago||He tried to recruit 2 of the||
He tried to recruit 2 of the country's top centers last year and was rejected by both. You are making it sound like he is not trying to get these players. He even said after the UK game we need more players who play above the rim. Players have to want to come here - he cant wave a magic wand and create these players.
That's the b**** about Mitch leaving and Horford leaving. You can bet the people from Duke Kansas Carolina and the like are using that against UM. Mitch with 1 full healthy year of displaying how a big man could thrive in this system would have helped Beilein tremendously. Instead the meme of this offense is built around guards/wings (which it is) and an elite big man won't thrive can be portrayed. You heard Dakich - the culture for most people now is understandably how do I get to the league quickly. You can make the case for guards and wings at least that this offense gets you to the league quickly. Mitch basically had a 10 game stretch and that's all we have to offer right now at the 5 for recruits to buy.
Last point, it is difficult to find good big men. And if you are lucky to get 1 you might only get them for 1 year in the current NCAA. See Noah Vonleh who was fine but nothing special at Indiana and only lasted 1 year. Wilson is basically the type of project you are going for if you dont land a Zimmerman and he not the type you insert into the lineup as a freshman - its just bad timing this year with Mitch and Horford both leaving.
|2 days 12 hours ago||Lost in this loss was Caris||
Lost in this loss was Caris had 4 shots tonight of Kobe type quality. Not saying he is half of Kobe but these were sick NBA baskets that were unstoppable. Awesome to see.
|2 days 12 hours ago||He played a lot better||
He played a lot better today. Again this is his 5th college game -- big men are usually slow to develop. Mitch struggled for 15 games his first year and was a top 20 talent. He is not going to be an imposing physical threat but he brings other talents. You mix Thunder (Doyle) and Lightning (Donnal) and its a nice mix - these 2 are just babies.
|2 days 12 hours ago||Also have to say a game like||
Also have to say a game like this with Horford giving you 15 minutes, I think we win. Max could not match up inside and at times it is unfair to ask him. I realize he is probably in a better offense for him down at UF but its a bummer for us as a program not to have that experience, and bulk.
|2 days 12 hours ago||If anyone other than Donnal||
If anyone other than Donnal had got that inbounds pass I think we win.
But bigger picture this was a very good game for us - we played horrid in the 1st, and you can see why Nova gets so many steals. Our ball possession right now is not at levels of the prior 2 years, lots of turnovers to pressure.
But this was a team of 5 SR/JRs and 2 SO against our 2 JR 2 SO and a bazillion freshman. We will be better in March, right now these are 2 very evenly matched teams and we are WAY ahead of where we were a year ago at this time when we looked lost at times with Morford at center, Mitch trying to be healthy, and a freshman PG. Very encouraging.
Thoughts on freshman - DJ Wilson should be redshirting, he is not physically ready for the Big 10. We saw that tonight. Chatman had some good signs tonight. MAAR is basically just insurance policy. Basically it seems like Chatman and Doyle will be the 2 main contributors this year from this class and maybe Dawkins will come in later in the year as he has the physical makeup to contribute. WIlson needs a year with Sanderson and 15-20 lbs.
Nothing to be unhappy about - one made basket or miss by Nova during 40 minutes doesnt change anything other than our feelings the next 60 minutes. Those were 2 evenly matched teams and most likely the most intense defense (outside of Syracuse) we will face this year.