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|47 min 59 sec ago||Did we not offer McQuaid? I||
Did we not offer McQuaid? I thought he ended up at SMU but was offered by us along the way? Could be wrong - I do remember his name coming up a lot. More than Ahrens.
If they are typical Izzo players they will struggle and get yelled at a lot for the first 2 years, as any chance of finding a diamond in the rough and sending anyone unexpected to the NBA early is destroyed - along with their confidence. Then - like the Marines - he will build them back up by JR year and then they will be part of a "savvy experienced group of leaders" as seniors.
|18 hours 17 min ago||Funny you are arguing with me||
Funny you are arguing with me even though you agree 100% with my projected record of 10-2 for Sparty prebowl. So what exactly are you arguing?
Baylor ran 22 times for -20 yards. Their inability to run out the clock with any viable run game when they had a big lead cost them that game.
|1 day 16 hours ago||Bronx, fine points and thanks||
Bronx, fine points and thanks for outlining good discussion.
I agree 100% with you on Cook. Every QB struggles under pressure and if Cook had been behind PSU and UM's lines the last 2 years he would have looked like shit. He has had more passes dropped by DBs than any Qb I can remember in my life these past 2 years. So yes I think in the NFL he will face real pressure - the type he has not seen at MSU most games - and his balloon will burst. But unfortunately his OL has been excellent in pass protect most of his career there. And with an All American center and a 1st round LT in Conklin, along with experience (again multitude of 5th year SR types up and down that line) I don't know how much pressure he will face - or how many teams they play will cause him to get pressure. Brian Allen is their only young guy on the OL and that guy was picked first overall by their seniors for the spring game. I've stated in the past their D gets the attention (and Cook) but their OL transformation the past 2 years (it was awful in 2012) has been the real story in my book. Gave Langford huge holes, gives Cook all day to look like a genius. His completion % even with all that time sorta stinks IMO. So yes I agree with you at the NFL level he will have issues because he wont have all day like he has now, but all that matters for MSU discussion is what Cook does at MSU level.
You actually make my point about the crap offenses in the league when you discuss how their D did vs the other 9 teams. That's a benefit for MSU and everyone else in the conference - playing a lot of horrid offenses. Really in the other 9 games purdue was the only team to give that defense anything to think about. Nebraska came back at the end in a game that looked over 3 quarters in but it was a lot of funky stuff - they dominated UM, Rutgers, Maryland, PSU and Indiana - along with the 3 non Oregon non conf games. So yes that is a lot of bad offenses they faced. But they didnt let those offenses get off the mat. Most Big 10 teams played a similar array of crap offenses.
To your last paragraph - people will laugh - but I actually think that Western game is a major trap game. Speaking of shit QBs they face, Western's might be the 3rd best QB they play all year. Reminds me some of Appleby at Purdue who gave them all sorts of trouble last year. So if they give him any time he might actually be able to exploit that back 4. That said, I dont know enough about Western's defense to know if it can slow down MSU's offense but maybe since it is early in the year and their running game may take time to find its footing and they could struggle some if Cook has an off day.
It is difficult for me to find less than 10 wins because the one thing Dantonio has really cleaned up these past few years is not losing games they have more talent than the other team. They don't go and lose to an Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, Maryland type team - so hopefully they have a real stumble like that this year. I see 10-2; we'll see.
|1 day 16 hours ago||Sorry - I'll stick to the||
Sorry - I'll stick to the chorus of Harbaugh Harbaugh Harbaugh as the analysis of everything.
As an aside I dont think that defense will be great - it just is built perfectly for this conference. You can see it can be exploited quite readily by pass heavy offenses with good QBs. In the Pac 12 the system would not work. In the Big 10 it does. Considering 3/4 of their schedule is Big 10 I am just speaking to their challenges in this conference - and being a D that focus so much energy on stopping the run, in a run happy league - gives them some ability to offset the weakness in the secondary.
Shorter: Harbaugh Harbaugh Harbaugh.
|1 day 16 hours ago||McDowell has won the starting||
McDowell has won the starting job over 5th year SRs and true SR types. That's not practice fluff. He played in a role like Mone last year but even more playing time. Why is that so surprising - he is a very good player, and played early (a lot) for a team that rarely cracks open true freshman.
He is surrounded by 5 star 5th year SR Lawrence Thomas who really started playing well the back half of last year, projected first rounder Calhoun, and another 5th year SR (most likely). That's a hell of a line. Behind them are 2 5th year SR LBs and another Bullough to replace Taiwan Jones. So basically it is Bullough and McDowell surrounded by five 5th year seniors, including a 1st round draft pick and Lawrence Thomas who probably will play himself into a 4th round type of grade this year if he picks up where he left off last year. That's pretty good.
I happen to think our DTs are very good too but that wasn't the topic of discussion. And our ends are not up to that level. Or to OSU's (Bosa).
I said the cornerbacks are an issue - they need to find 2. Hicks stunk last year. It looks like they are moving 1 of their safeties outside to be a corner (Cox) and then other guys not named Hicks are looking to compete for the 2nd corner. I didnt say it was not an issue - I said they have a head coach who has a long history of doing well at CB - whether they be high level guys at OSU or nobodies (Dennard and Waynes 2/3 stars) at MSU. I also said with the front 7 they have it will be alleviated a bit as the corners wont be isolated so much in most games or the QB wont have time. Every team has a weakness - every team. They play in a conference with a bunch of sh** QBs so if you want to have a weaknes sin the Big 10, secondary is actually a good place to have it. Obviously its another issue if you play Baylor or Oregon (or a Big 10 team with a real QB such as OSU). That applies to every few teams on their schedule.
As for Narduzzi fans want it both ways - when he was there many said it was either Dantonio not him who was the key to the defense or you can't really tell it ifs Narduzzi or Dantonio until they separate. Now that he is gone - we are to assume it was mostly or all Narduzzi. Do you think all those 5th year seniors/juniors all will fall off just because their coach left? If so that's some bad coaching. If one truly thinks Narduzzi is the bomb and the whole key to that defense than it probably is going to take a few years for it to filter to the system - when all the players he "trained" leave MSU and a much worse DC takes over. I happen to think position coaches are very important and whatever they are doing doesnt revolve all around the DC. The HC is involved and the position coaches have been there the whole tenure.
The rest of your post is a lot of garbage.
|1 day 16 hours ago||It's fallen huge - name me 3||
It's fallen huge - name me 3 great American mens tennis players.
Ok...now try 1.
We've got nothing in the top tier anymore - and we really haven't for well over a decade. It's been Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Murray for the better part of 10-12 years.
John Isner is currently the "best" American men's tennis player. I doubt more than 1% of the population would know who he is. Sam Querrey and Jack Sock are the next 2 highest rated.
Agassi/Sampras was a long time ago now. Probably the game has the most elite players at the same time the past few years (maybe only Becker McEnroe Lendl era compares) but they are all Europeans. There is 1 North American in the top 15 but he was born in Montenegro (and is Canadian).
Still great memories of Connors last huge run at the U.S. open watching in the dorms in September (early 90s). And the Nadal-Federer Wimbeldon final from ...what is it now - 8 years ago or so will go down as the best ever IMO. But modern day American's men tennis is nearly dead.
|1 day 22 hours ago||So its been wrong to be||
So its been wrong to be pessimistic on UM's situation the past few years and positive on MSU's? Actually it's been accurate.
And I am on not high on most Big 10 teams - the offenses and QB play especially is lousy in this conference, so a lot of the defenses have been looking better than they are (incuding ours) by playing each other. The quality of play is not great week to week with traditional powers PSU and UM down and Nebraska not being the quality it once was. The big 10 has a lot of M00N games once you get past the top 4-5 teams.
As for MSU it has become a funny meme seeing people come here every year talking about this is the year they are going to suck. Those people have been correct 1 out of 5 years. And yet it continues. Very few want to accept they have a premier coach, and they are not going back to 8 win seasons unless/until he retires or their next QB sucks. They have 3 first round picks projected on this team. What other teams in the country have 3 projected first rounders outside Bama?
If Cook gets hurt, my view will change a lot but right now - on paper - they will be favored in 11 of 12 games. They dont even leave the state of Michigan outside 1 trip to Rutgers for the first 2 months of their season. Yet it's back to "going to take a big step back". Narduzzi is gone - they replace him with Barnett who has been with Dantonio 10 years. I dont see it being the death of MSU's D.
Ironically you mentioned recruiting - the just got a top 150 WR commit today to add to another top 200 WR they already had in the fold for 2016. We are getting 100% crystal balled with guys in the 800 to 1000 range at WR. It's curious and I noted it - should I have just said "Harbaugh" (I know that's the easy answer).
I have a lot of confidence in Harbaugh to turn this around over the medium term. That doesnt mean UM is going to saunter in, turn into a goliath and MSU will suck. Hell we need to make strides just to get back to competitive - we've been sad v them 2 years in a row. Uncompetitive - we need to take steps just to be competitive - thats the legacy Hoke left. It also doesnt mean MSU is going to go back to 8 wins a game because of 1 game played vs Michigan.
It's not a schtick - talking realistically about opponents is a lot more interesting to me than saying for the 5th year in a row "no way they can keep this up!!!" and gettting 20 upvotes. OSU and MSU right now are the 2 quailty teams in the conf - I expect Wisconsin to take a step back to a degree and everyone else in the conf ranges from decent to mediocre to bad. OSU and MSU have the 2 best trenches and the 2 best QBs in the conf - that's where quality teams are born. If Cook goes down - another discussion, because MSU doesnt have OSU's army of QB backups.
If MSU sucked I'd gladly say they look mediocre - like I say with plenty of teams in the Big 10. When UM has what looks to be a top 2-3 team in the conf, I will also say that. I don't see that now. And hasn't been wrong to not be on that ship for many years now with 1 exception (2011).
|1 day 23 hours ago||No, in this case I didn't. I||
No, in this case I didn't. I did want to see the OSU game because I am less familiar with their squad than MSU's (being in state), but I totally forgot about it last weekend.
|2 days 27 min ago||With the needs on defense and||
With the needs on defense and 5 offensive players already committed (incl 2 RBs) can't see us having room for a 3rd RB.
|2 days 29 min ago||Geiger (starter) is out for||
Geiger (starter) is out for spring with hip injury. Not watching the game (just came in to read MGo for a minute from working out in the yard) but I assume you are watching some backup.
|2 days 32 min ago||They were exploited by 3 of||
They were exploited by 3 of the top 5 offenses in the country. Who exploited everyone in the country most weeks. TCU's defense gave up 60 to Baylor for example.
I chuckle that whenever an offense works in a spring game it must be due to the not dominant defense. Cmon. They have a 3rd year starting QB who is projected to go in the 1st round who has seen this defense day in and day out for 36 months.
MSU's front 7 has five 5th year seniors on it plus Malik McDowell who by all accounts is surging after a solid freshman year. Their D line will probably be top 5 in the nation. In the back 4, Montae Nicholson has 4 picks of Connor Cook in their 2 scrimmages - a guy Hokes passed on. A guy who found a way to actually start a few games as a true freshman for a team that doesnt start freshman.
Their main issue is finding 2 corners, which just so happens to be what Dantonio specializes in over the past 20 years. But if the front 7 does their job they wont have much issue in most games not named Oregon, OSU since they won't have much time - and their run D remains excellent annually.
Outside of cornerback I dont see the defense struggling. They dominated non OSU, Oregon, Baylor offenses last year and I expect their system to continue to work against a lot of middling offfenses that Big 10 teams play.
I see the team taking a step back in 2016 with losses of Cook, Conklin, Calhoun, and I think 18 fifth year seniors. But they are going to have the 2nd best OL in the conference and most likely the best DL. With a NFL QB. Games are won in trenches and with QBs. I don't see 9 win season.
|2 days 20 hours ago||Commits?I think 21-22.||
I think 21-22. Confused by this fab25 thing. Especially this far ahead of time - would take a boatload of attrition. I think we have 14 openings now.
Even with 22 I think we need 12 defensive players (2 DT, 3 LB, 5 secondary, 1 DE, 1 best available player), leaving only 10 spots on offense. And 5 of the 6 commits are already offense. Need TE/WR, more OL in those 5 spots. (2 WR, 1 TE, 2 OL?).
That's if we can get to 22. Urbz has it so much easier - just take 27 a year and then erase 5-6 a year after the fact.
|2 days 20 hours ago||Thanks, will add in May's||
Thanks, will add in May's update.
|2 days 20 hours ago||Yes it is strange. Not only||
Yes it is strange. Not only are we not a leader for many - we are not even a "2nd" place for anyone but Gary. With really only Hurst and Mone post 2016 at DT and all our starting LBs cleared out after 2015 (and NONE recruited in the 2015 class) and openings all over the secondary post 2016, early playing time - which every high level recruit says they want - is ample.
The 2016 class is a lot more important on the defensive side to me than the offense because so many of these guys are going to be counted on immediately or within 1 season. So taking guys in the 500-1000 range and hoping for long term development is not something we can do so much on the defense with the attrition we are set to face in the next 18 months.
And yes we have 2 really high level recruiters on that side of the ball so not being in serious conversations with more guys is strange. If you notice the geographic diversity - we are far more Midwest oriented on the offense/offense commits (well Midwest + NJ/MD) - whereas the defense is a lot more west coast/south (CA/TX heavy). Those guys are harder to get as well. I don't know if that holds true for the entire 170+ offers out there but it does for these 40ish.
Also the lack of OH players interested in us is stark. That used to be a bread and butter - we'd get 4-5 in a class often (maybe more some years). Maybe the miss on Morrow from UK staff hurts there near term. I am not sure who other than Zordich of the new guys has strong ties to the PA/OH area.
|2 days 21 hours ago||Yes he falls under the window||
Yes he falls under the window of Fitzgerald and Hill - if a guy is committed elsewhere he won't show up as "warm" for anyone else. I just looked at his starz page and I see 2 guys flipped him to UM this week out of 22 predictions. Those are the only 2 new predictions in 2015 so difficult to really call that one when for a year all we've heard is his mom wants him out of Michigan. Maybe I'll throw him in next month if there appears to be more movement there. Majority of his 50% were from a long time ago pre USC commit.
|2 days 21 hours ago||We need to rebuild the entire||
We need to rebuild the entire secondary badly in 2 years (I am assuming Peppers is gone in 2 years but even if he stays we need a ton). See the link in my signature. I think 5+ secondary players are needed in total in this class. Almost everyone familiar to UM fans is gone in 2 years - Wilson, Stribling, Countess, Peppers, Lewis, Dymonte Thomas, Clark, Hill.
Truthfully the entire defense needs to be rebuilt - we had very few 2015 defensive players in a very tiny class and we have a whole host of players leaving after 2016 all over the defense (all the starting LBs after 2015 as well)
I would have thought the sell for the defense was actually very easy - many of the 2016s are going to have a chance to start either as true freshman or RS freshman/true SOs in 2017.
|2 days 21 hours ago||Yep me too - thought this||
Yep me too - thought this would be open to every satellite camp. Ok this lessens my concerns of the satellie camps having a 2:1 ratio of coaches to players! Thanks for pointing that out. I was too busy giggling with Harbaugh's trolling to comprehend.
|2 days 22 hours ago||Came for the condom jokes -||
Came for the condom jokes - stayed for the intended puns....
|2 days 22 hours ago||Irritable Bowel Syndrome||
Irritable Bowel Syndrome
|2 days 23 hours ago||Agree. Every MAC school||
Agree. Every MAC school should immediately sign up - that's like 12 right there. If you are in the Big Sky or Mountain West or whatever you should be at the CA camp etc. Any coach not in the P5 who doesnt take up this offer is just plain dumb. In the south there are Sun Belt, Missouri Valley type programs. There will be all sorts of 2/3 stars they never would get exposure to at these camps and this is a no brainer.
Not sure how the hell they are really going to manage that many coaches actually - 50 schools x 2 coaches = 100 bodies. Coaches might outnumber players at these camps. I am hoping these coaches are disbursed equally among camps (i.e. 10-15 schools a camp) but i imagine the ones in the deep south are going to overloaded with coaches.
I don't really see any top 25 programs participating but if any do, it sure will be interesting which ones.
|3 days 59 min ago||Agree. I see a lot of names||
Agree. I see a lot of names on the front page comments that I rarely see ever comment on the MGoBoard. So I assume that subset really never make it over to the board (or choose not to comment I guess)
As Mo said, the board has content faster than the front page so for breaking type news if anything is redundant its actually the front page. Thru no fault of blog authors - there are 1000s of potential posters on the MGoboard and only 4-5 on the main board.
|3 days 3 hours ago||julesh meet pinky....||
julesh meet pinky.... pinky....say hi to julesh. Sour patch kids...
"but but but I am so pissed that he promised a big announcement at 8 pm and it was just about his dad on a sitcom. waahhhh....unfair to me!"
|3 days 3 hours ago||Pretty hilarious. I'd be||
Pretty hilarious. I'd be shocked if anyone in a top 25 program shows but it is sort of evil genius in a way. The 2 coach maximum per university also is genius - I could see some ballsy program maybe trying to show up if they could bring their whole crew but not with just 2 guys.
edit - just noticed the keynote speaker thing for SEC coaches. Even more brilliant.
|3 days 4 hours ago||That Princess Leia is beyond||
That Princess Leia is beyond disturbing....
|3 days 21 hours ago||Saban whined. And when Saban||
Saban whined. And when Saban whines the NCAA cares.
|3 days 22 hours ago||That was the hope with Hoke.||
That was the hope with Hoke. That he was a Bobby Bowden type - an aw shucks dude who loved his school and hired a cadre of ridiculous assistants. Instead we got Hoke assistants. Nuss was here 1 whole year and straight out of Bama so can't give much credit to Hoke there - other than Mattison (a personal friend and yes I know most coaches have some friendship with assistants) the rest outside of 1 guy who went to the Pac 12 are nowhere to be found in the P5.
If anyone knows the ability of coaches it is other coaches. And this aftermath speaks volumes.
|3 days 22 hours ago||It's not that bad. It misses||
It's not that bad. It misses a marquee non conf game which in the future will be alleviated as we move into the 2020s (2022 = UCLA at home, 2024 = Texas, 2026 = Oklahoma). Can yell at Brandon all we want but he smartly put the "home" game of home and home series in 2020s in even years to offset lack of MSU/OSU.
Even 2 years after 2016 is very good. 2018 has Wisconsin, Nebraska, PSU, and Arkansas for example at home. If Arkansas can keep their current trajectory that is actually going to be one of the more compelling home slates in the country.
Wisconsin + PSU on paper should be nearly as good as MSU + OSU. Wisconsin has been up there with OSU as a conf contender for the past 15 years, and while PSU and UM have fallen off big time in theory both programs should be quite good. If this was Paterno v Carr a PSU home game would rank ahead of most MSU home games of the JLS, Perles, Williams era.
The problem is going to happen in years our in conf crossover rotation spins out Wisconsin/Nebraska and spins in Purdue or similar. Then you basically only have a PSU home game to look forward to, plus whatever shows up in non conf. Which again in the 2020s is probably going to be the best game on the schedule if PSU doesnt return to glory.
|4 days 1 hour ago||Outside of tangibe||
Outside of tangibe measurables and the top 30-50 or so players it really gets difficult IMO to ascertain who is going to be a prime time player.
Look at the NFL - they have 4 to 5 years more of data than college coaches.... with players playing mostly equitable competition (if you play at Clemson, 8-9 of your games a year will be vs similar athletes ...while in HS you rarely play anyone of your calibar if you are a P5 Div 1 athlete). And they get it wrong in the NFL draft a lot of the time even with all those advantages.
Now incorporate trying to project who is going to be mentally tough at 16 years old, who will react best the first time he actually goes up agaisnt guys of his athletic prowess day in and day out vs physically dominating everyone on the field, who can absorb playbooks, who can absorb learning via game film, whose body will adjust to more weight without losing athleticism, who will emotionally absorb pressure, who will actually balance going to school and being on his own for the first time, etc -- just hard to really project once you get past that first group of silly obscene athlete who would excel in any sport given enough time.
|4 days 1 hour ago||To OP re: "don't know who is||
To OP re: "don't know who is high on Michigan".
I am going to post a list maybe once a month of who is interested in UM via 247's "warm interest" signal. Doesn't mean UM is top 3, or 5 or hell top 10 but with nearly 200 offers out it drops the list down significantly (~40) to guys who at least have a mild interest in UM. Here was the post from a month ago - some changes already since then of course and Harbaugh accepted 2 commits that were nowhere near anyone's radar (and certainly are not top 300 types) as well so if he continues to focus so much on those type of recruits (3 star mafia) maybe this list won't be so useful.
|4 days 1 hour ago||As discussed a few weeks ago,||
As discussed a few weeks ago, OSU has 3 of the country's top 4 2016 RBs committed.
I'd much rather OSU had three 1 star RBs committed than trying to find an angle to send bad karma to Mike Weber.