I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
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- 2012 the reasoning was they were Rich Rod's old players without much talent ex Lewan and Schofield.
- 2013 the reasoning was young bucks ex Lewan and Schofield, so can't be worse.
- 2014 reasoning is less young bucks on the interior at least, so can't be worse.
|14 hours 4 min ago||A worthy 3rd post of your||
A worthy 3rd post of your mgoblog career.
Also I thought at one point we were leaders or near leaders for Ballage so I guess the period we "cooled on him" had him cool on us just the same.
|14 hours 18 min ago||We beat 2 teams with a||
We beat 2 teams with a winning record this year. Sigh.R
Really staggering to think only Ill, Purdue, and NW (with 2 wins between themselves, with both wins coming against each other) and Indiana finished lower than Michigan in the Big 10.
EDIT: I see Crash beat me to it.
|1 day 6 hours ago||"O-line should be a push." Is||
"O-line should be a push."
Is push a good thing? Serious question. This was perhaps the worst O-line in the country. Maybe Florida Atlantic had a worse O-line I guess. But seriously in the BCS conferences I cannot imagine anyone close other than Purdue.
Not very comforting.
My dismay about the OL was not what it looked like vs ND and even Akron/UConn. It was how it looked later in the year. When we all looked at last year's schedule we thought it played out perfectly for a young UM team. It would give the OL time to gel; it would still be young in November vs September but those guys would have 6-7 games under their belt when the season entered the heart of danger. Instead there was almost no progress. This is what worries me about 2014. It being competent at any point is reliant on individual improvement and development - things we did not see in 2013.
|1 day 7 hours ago||west2, Many of us are asking||
Many of us are asking that. Not sure I remember a game when the offense shows its formation in a situation like that, the other team takes a timeout to dicuss that formation, then the offense comes back with the exact same formation.
|1 day 7 hours ago||Who among us does not sqaut||
Who among us does not sqaut 515???
|1 day 7 hours ago||I am with BiSB - Thomas||
I am with BiSB - Thomas Gordon, not because he was himself spectacular but the dropoff between him and (who?) could be immense. It could be Furman, it could be Thomas, it could be Clark or it could be Countess/Taylor. Not that the latter 2 would be a major drop off but that is our speculation that there might be a position switch. Clark and Thomas are complete unknowns. Furman is a known known,and not a particulary savory one. Without a position switch the depth here is also worrisome.
|1 day 9 hours ago||a) if you line up the||
a) if you line up the upperclassmen of UM vs MSU on defense the UM recruits were higher rated almost universally. So when you say there aren't many highly rated guys on defense, I am simply saying MSU has the same issue and there is not the constant excuse making you hear here. When people say we have no talent because one class was ranked 21 is sort of laughable when that would be the best class ever for a MSU or Wisconsin.
b) your comment about MSU developing players is what I said,we agree there.
c) the jury is out how the development is going because according to the mgoblog illuminati almost all of our older players were either (i) not as good as their recruiting rankings and/or (ii) not developed by a bad coaching staff. Of course that excludes the fact the current coaching staff now has had 3 years with them, so apparently all the ranking services were wrong on all those players excluding 3-4. It is a bit too convenient to me that every player recruited in the RR era aside from 3-4 was way too highly rated. Many of these guys are 4 stars which should be by and large very good college players.
d) I defended Ross on the "How good are our linebackers" post today - I said he can be like denicos allen who is an undersized terror on the outside of the LBs for MSU. And I said keep in mind he is 2 years older than Ross so in 2 years they should match up quite well. But aside from Ross JMFR and Blake that is about all we have in playmakers. The rest are role players or very young. Some flashes this year from Gedeon very late, Stribling early, and Henry.
|1 day 9 hours ago||I agree we will know more||
I agree we will know more about Hoke after next season.
As for Dantonio and his 3rd season he was taking over from John L Smith whose record at MSU the prior 3 years was 5-7, 5-6, 4-8. I know every time someone posts anything positive about Dantonio you bring up Dantonio's 3rd year. I would ask you - do you think Hoke had more or less to work with in year 1-2 with what RichRod left "in the cupboard" than Dantonio did after John L Smith? In many ways it is comparing apples to oranges. Hoke has the advantage of the Michigan brand, he has the advantage in getting into homes of players Dantonio would never have a chance at, he has the advantage of getting a much higher caliber of position coach and coodinator if you think money buys quality, etc etc.
The excuses for Hoke and the comparisons end next year. I believe year 3 for Dantonio was the year they had that incident in the dorm and it derailed their season. From there Dantonio had 3 of 4 seasons with 11+ wins including this one. If Hoke can repeat that accomplishment with a much easier backdrop in terms of brand, recruits available, budget, university resources, et al I am sure we will all be happy.
|1 day 9 hours ago||The day after Hand committed||
The day after Hand committed Coach Brown wrote a long post about how he should have went with his brain over his heart with Hand and that Hand had stopped returning his messages late in the process. So naturally I, along with a few others asked how McDowell was acting, and Brown indicated in much the same fashion as Hand.
|1 day 9 hours ago||They have some free time this||
They have some free time this week since they don't have a B10 championship game to deal with.
/flagging self for snark
|1 day 13 hours ago||I hate the pessimism of Coach||
I hate the pessimism of Coach Brown. :P
|1 day 13 hours ago||It "feels" a lot like||
It "feels" a lot like Treadwell to me. ... but he is even quieter and closer to the vest than Treadwell. But a heavy early lean, which went months without saying much, and then other schools pop up on his list and eventually he gone.
|1 day 13 hours ago||MSU does a great job in||
MSU does a great job in defensive player development; this cannot be denied. I don't recall the exact stats but when I looked up their players the starters had 2 four stars only and I believe 3 2 stars and the rest were 3s. Guys like Dennard who is a probable 1st or 2nd round NFL pick was a 2 star, and Calhoun was a 3. Their LBs are just about all "lower end" recruits from Michigan or Ohio - Denicos Allen, Ed Davis (who might be their next star based on the UM game), Taiwan Jones etc. Ironically their highest rated LB (Max B) is probably their least athletic.
They take athletes, swich their positions, find a fit, and coach them up. And before everyone says they are all seniors, these same seniors were often starting or getting major minutes in MSU's 2011 top 10 defense, and MSU's 2012 top 10 defense. They have a system, and Dantonio has a eye for talent - canot be denied, even Tressel says he has the ability to find those diamonds. And we saw in 2002 what Dantonio did with a bunch of 4 stars and a few 5s.
There are no excuses at Michigan... an 18th ranked class or 14th or 10th or 15th is better than MSU ever gets. It is better than Wisconsin ever gets. It is better than what Stanford gets 9 out of 10 years.
|1 day 14 hours ago||Does not seem like it. Coach||
Does not seem like it. Coach Brown says one signal he gets is when recruits stop regularly returning his messages - and I am sure there are other similar Coach Browns out there (like TomVH). Hand broke off commuication with Coach Brown late and as Coach Brown has said, when you are not hot and heavy interested in that school anymore, why are you going to go through the motions.
I am hoping at this point he is SEC bound, so OSU or MSU do not get him.
|1 day 14 hours ago||Interesting to know. Are||
Interesting to know. Are UCLA fans cognizant UCLA has 3 true freshman OL. And if yes, are they cognizant at what is going on at UM with our OL versus theirs? UCLA's only losses this years are AT Stanford and AT Oregon and a 5 pt loss to ASU which the computers like and is a top15 type team. This is a very nice season; very Carr like in fact. This is for a team that was 4-8, 7-6, 4-8, and 6-8 (lol somehow division champs that year due to USC issues) the previous 4 years to Mora arriving.
I am watching from afar but Mora seems like he is doing very Harbaugh type things with that program (knocking off Oregon and/or Stanford is next on the agenda) and if something were to go amiss with Hoke in the next 2 years I'd be all in the Mora for UM bandwagon unless something shows me different in the next 2 years. That said he may just go back to the NFL In a few years.
|1 day 14 hours ago||I have no idea on how any of||
I have no idea on how any of these kids will turn out, nor Shane or Wilton, but I find it interesting many who have dismay with Borges as an OC have absolutely no reticence that almost all the QB recruiting is coming down to his judgement of what Michigan needs. It is the most important position in sports and it can take a good team to elite ala Winston. Now obviously Winston was "obvious" as a top overall recruit but a part of me is very worried that this position has been apparently completely outsourced for Borges to judge. And I get he has coached some good QBs at other schools but I have no idea who made the final decisions at those schools on which player to offer but I doubt very seriously it was all handed to Borges as sole decider.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Cmon now, there are 5||
Cmon now, there are 5 ...count em 5!!! different real housewives series on Bravo and you ask what to do with your spare time???
|1 day 19 hours ago||That was a horrid review,||
That was a horrid review, which has been lost in the 2 pt conversion commentary. Knee down = turnover, as long as OSU is 11-0 I guess.
|1 day 19 hours ago||We had all Big 10 type||
We had all Big 10 type players at all 3 levels in the past... they all helped each other.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Interesting point. And I||
Interesting point. And I agree the standard has been lowered (at quite a few positions) that people forget what Carr was doing. God bless Dileo but on a team from 15 years ago he wouldnt be seeing the field...now he was our #2 option at WR until Funchess was moved. Same at a lot of other positions - the lack of NFL talent is pretty damning across the board. I think on a typical UM defense you used to get 5-6 starters drafted with 2 in the top 3 rounds in any year, and another 2-3 would get a sniff as a UDFA. On this defense other than JMFR I dont see another upperclassmen who will get drafted. Maybe Taylor or Clark will get a sniff or Gordon at safety but those are late round picks if at all.
Bottom line the NFL type talent level now is not the same as even late Carr era...
|1 day 19 hours ago||"As a side note, Mouton in||
"As a side note, Mouton in 2006(?) is the last non-regional LB I can recall us recruiting in recent memory. All of our LBs are from MI, OH, and PA I think for quite a while, so that might have something to do with it. When we can start pulling national LB recruits from other regions we will get better...as with every position."
I noticed that too and wonder why we are not going nationally more for "southern speed" at our LB level. Most other positions we do seem to recruit more at a national level or perhaps thats just where we seem to be missing on landing some recruits.
On the other hand almost all of MSU's defense is from the Midwest's loins and they seem to have us beat on athleticism so I think some of it is just going off "recrooooting stars" and maybe not as much on finding bad ass athletes and developing them. To that end, MSU's highest recruit on that D is Max Bullough who might be one of the least athletic. (but the brighest). So I dont know how much location matters - but when you watch a FSU or UF or LSU defense most years (forget Bama) we still appear to be 2 steps behind in athleticism.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Yep my thought as well- I am||
Yep my thought as well- I am sure most LBs on most teams account for 30-40% of tackles for loss, sack yardage or whatever. They are by definition 3/11ths of the defense so a baseline would be about 30% of all production...and being closer to the line they will do more than safeties or corners in the run game so 30-40% is standard.
|1 day 20 hours ago||With all due respect to||
With all due respect to Brian's UFR, you want us to take a blogger's UFR over the assessement of guys who not only played football at this level but are in Ann Arbor and involved with the program in terms of being close to the players and staff being on the 'flagship' local station? God bless Brian but I doubt he even played HS football ;)
If nothing else I bet they are parroting a lot of things they are hearing from other former players...
We have a nice group of LBs but compared to Iowa's, MSU's it is a step below and probably near Wisconsin's. Which is not bad but not great.
|1 day 20 hours ago||JMFR and Ross are the 2||
JMFR and Ross are the 2 playmakers. JMFR was not JMFR - he showed some flashes early at Iowa and OSU but at those games went by he faded. Understandable. Ross was hurt for OSU and is probably 10-15 lbs underweight. He has the speed... he lacks the size....that said Denicos Allen is smaller than Ross and a terror so Ross can do it. He is 2 years younger than Allen...we forget he is still a sophomore.
That is all we have in terms of big time LBs IMO from what I can see right now. Gedeon showed some nice flashes vs OSU and is our 2nd biggest LB from the eye test as a freshman so he could be something special.
Bolden is meh to me, and Morgan is a nice player - a 7 out of 10 MLB. His wisdom will increase even more next year as the QB of the defense but athletic wise he is not SEC level IMO.
Cam and Beyer are nice rotational players. Beyer sparked against opponents UM was better than on paper, which is expected but was moved around a lot and is again a nice rotational player. Whe facing players of his strength size in Big 10 Beyer began to have less impact. Cam I always thought was about to break out but never seemed to.
The relatively porous DL also hurts the LBs who have to deal with guys who MSU and Iowa for example keep off their LBs to make plays.
If Gedeon makes it into the 4th spot of the rotation next year I am actually quite high on that starting 3 + 1 next year. Ross will be a junior and I hope his body can find the ability to take o 10 lbs of mass - he did not grow at all from fr to soph so maybe he just doesnt have the frame. JMFR will be healthy. Morgan wiser. And hopefully Gedeon takes that big step. After that it's a bit of unknown and/or Bolden.
I do think we need better athletes throughout the defense.
|1 day 20 hours ago||I dont get the "for OSU" idea||
I dont get the "for OSU" idea either. Even a NCG appearance by OSU hurts us. We go up against oSU for recruits way more than MSU. ND as well. If OSU goes to the NCG that means both ND and OSU will have gone and UM is sitting in 8th place in a lowly Big 10 last year... that hurts recruiting at the boundary. UM should not be rooting for OSU or ND do to well if they care about recruiting.
p.s. I think FSU would destroy OSU. Auburn or Missouri not so much. Lost in FSU's offense is a pretty darn awesome defense. FSU has beaten a bunch of their conf opponents not by 10, not by 20, but by 30+. And that includes Clemson. FSU Bama would have been a great game because I think this was the year someone non SEC would have won.
|1 day 20 hours ago||If you are being honest with||
If you are being honest with yourself, MSU looked far better than OSU vs UM. Now it was in EL rather than AA and I think Sparty's hate for UM has surpassed OSU's hate for us, since it is barely a rivalry in the past 12 years and there appeared a lot more holes to OSU than MSU.
For mSU the keys are slow down Hyde...not stop him, but slow him down. If their DL can hit Hyde at the LOS and he does not get a full head of steam before he reaches LBs he can be brought down by their aggressive front 7 before doing major damage. Success vs Hyde would be something like 125-135 yards or less. I expect Narduzzi to focus all attention on Hyde and let Miller be the one to beat them if he can. MSU D has much better speed than UM on the outside so stand more of a chance to contain Miller on the run. And they will trust their CBs agaisnt Millers throws - OSU doesnt really have elite WRs, and Miller is hit or miss in his throwing. I think MSU will score near 30 on OSU so I am not worried about their offense...
I see this game something like 34-30 with 2 quite equally matched teams. I dont know who wins, it will come down to turnovers, special teams, et al. Sparty will have to overcome Delany as well as I am sure he has guns blazing to get the Big 10 into the NCG.
|1 day 20 hours ago||The Freep sports department||
The Freep sports department has noted this thread and is sending its crack stack onto the case - look for the story late January just in time to scare off football recruits. SCANDAL!
|2 days 16 hours ago||I stand corrected. And||
I stand corrected. And technically Peppers is so good he could win the Heisman in one of these years in under 30% of the games played, get a medical redshirt, and come back and win another - so 5 is not unrealistic.
|2 days 16 hours ago||"I think we have enough depth||
"I think we have enough depth at WR now"
If you move Funchess back to TE your leading returning WR is Chesson. Your 2nd leading WR is Northfleet. Your 3rd is Darboh who has yet to play a game. The depth is there but it is very young - a bunch of guys who barely saw the field this year and/or redshirted, and another crop of freshman. I could see your comment as accurate in 2015 but not 2014. Let Butt be the starter and maybe Bunting does the Butt role in 2014. We need a premier #1 WR - we dont have one. Chesson is not it yet and Darboh until proven otherwise is a highly touted practice player ala Braden.
|2 days 16 hours ago||He is.... I think part of||
He is.... I think part of that is because Brian singled him out as the major weak link preseason 2013 on the defense....
....but I am confused by Mattison's "rotation" of him. Even before his injury/not injury he was being pulled mid season... I remember one game (PSU?) he was making plays all over the place, then a week or two later he was not even starting. I am very confused about what they are doing back there - maybe he had an injury even earlier that was affecting playing time.