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|1 hour 38 min ago||Right but with all the early||
Right but with all the early entry in the basketball program and not getting to enjoy anymore than half their careers I think we can be a bit selfish and enjoy an elite football player all the way out to their senior years.
Calhoun and Cook (and Conklin) all were eligible to leave last year and went back. Let's have some of that good fortune.
Again I think it is sort of moot on Lewis as he is not projecting to be a top 3 rounder right now.
|1 hour 41 min ago||Yep awesome player. I think||
Yep awesome player. I think he was the fastest guy in the league for half a decade to boot.
|1 hour 42 min ago||I agree. NFL drafts a lot on||
I agree. NFL drafts a lot on physical future as well - lots of MSU guys who well in college have not been doing well in the league on defense because they are not elite athletes. But very productive college guys.
Same with NBA. If Walton was 6'4 you have worries - he is 6'0 (maybe!) so unless you are once in a decade player you stay. Its why a phenom like Shabazz Napier plays 4 years at Uconn. 3 inches taller they'd want him after his so year.
J Lewis is an excellent college CB and might be a guy you nickel and can play against a slot guy in the NFL. You dont usually do that sort of guy in the first 2-3 roujnds unless you are a Lions GM. That guy from KSU who torched Blake in the bowl. Tyler Lockett - that is the sort of guy in the NFL you can put a Lewis on.
Unfort for UM fans we are now only taking 6'ish HS kids @ CB so we might lose some early in the future!
And I agree on scratching my heads on these boards for Lyons and Countess. CBS has Lyons in the 4th - uhhhh
|1 hour 54 min ago||No not last year. In 2013||
No not last year. In 2013 yes. He slowed down a lot in 2014.
Now this is net of sacks but he only had 258 yds in 2014. About 100 of those came in the first 5 starts.
He had 483 yds net of sacks the prior year, so lost just under 50% of his production year over year. Think injuries built up on his body as he was not as dynamic of a runner in 2014 as 2013.
Jake has run for 73 yds thru 5 games so basically the difference between Devin and Jake is 25 yds in 5 games or 5 yds a game.
|2 hours 2 min ago||I looked at a lock of mock||
I looked at a lot of mock boards last week and he is not even listed in the 7th round etc. I think his size will work against him a bit. I am glad for us. I am sure he will get drafted mid rounds at least after his senior year if this continues.
p.s. these boards even have the Lyons and Countess of the world on them.
|4 hours 21 min ago||Rudock is an upgrade from||
Rudock is an upgrade from what else would be available. I think most agree. That is on Hoke not Harbaugh. And the players themselves.
But it doesnt mean he was what he thought he would be here. I think that is what we were most disappointed in. I expected a guy who checked down a lot after trying to scan for long balls - instead he is a guy who does the 1st read only and tends to force it (much like Gardner in that regard). And more turnover prone.
If you remember this entire summer was spent on people bashing Iowa for shackling Rudock and not allowing him to flourish. Once he got here all those talents would be on display that Iowa OCs was destroying. Well now we see why he was shackled.
By the way you stated he was the best "rent a QB" available - disagree - Golson is doing very well at FSU. I actually was hoping Harbaugh would take a run at Golson because he reminded me of a poor man's Kaepernick.
7 TD 0 INT 63% completion rate, 7.4 ypa. He was turnover prone at ND and somehow they have fixed that at FSU.
Again he is the best we have. That is due to Hoke. I just wish he was more of Iowa 2014 Rudock as this defense could be special and you marry that to Iowa 2014 Rudock and you might have 2013 MSU.
|4 hours 28 min ago||59th out of 127 is 46th||
59th out of 127 is 46th percentile. Not sure what your definition of middle of the road is :) that's pretty middle of the road.
The B10 Qb stats support the fact its an awful conf for QBs. We have 2 guys in the top 50 in the nation. 50th would be 40%h percentile.
As I state in many threads, this is why many Big 10 defenses look really good on paper. Not many QBs to challenge them. This year you expected OSU's to be better for sure - even he has had a rough year.
|5 hours 4 min ago||Will this end the||
Will this end the commercials?
Please say yes.
|5 hours 36 min ago||Right but someone else later||
Right but someone else later in the thread was saying a far superior run game this year. That's another perception thing due to the winning. It's about the same run game - maybe mildly better.
Just like with the QB play the winning makes everything else "feel" better "our running game is way better this year".
We don't feel helter skelter this year on offense because we almost never have to come from behind outside of game 1. So no pressure to force things that the 2014 offense was forced into doing as the defense gave up way more pts last year. Last 2 games the other team didnt score and OSU we were behind for a few minutes and UNLV not at all. So the offense - even when nearly stagnant - doesnt feel worrisome. Not the case in 2014 when opposing offenses took advantage of the defense more.
Of course this needs to change as the opponents get better.
|5 hours 42 min ago||They were FEI 27, S&P+ 48.||
They were FEI 27, S&P+ 48. I'd use them in concert as just using 1 can overstate or understate a team. Basically their defense last year was Michigan level (UM was 35-40). They played a lot better offenses on average than UM faced in 2014.
They played Oregon twice, a very potent ASU offense, Boise State, a potent UCLA offense with a NFL QB, the craziness that is Washington State, Jared Goff of Cal (potential 1st rounder next year), and USC. So you can't just look at points - UM's defense would have had a lot of trouble with those offenses too.
They had a solid top half of the Pac 12 defense last year. This year it's shit.
|5 hours 49 min ago||I think position coaches are||
I think position coaches are the least appreciated part of a program. You have limited time to teach physical and mental items to guys in their late teens to early 20s. Its not like NFL when they can go home and watch film 50 hrs a week if they were so motivated. (well at least most schools where school is still not optional). So not only do you have to be good at teaching you have to be efficient. An eye for coaching staff is one of Harbaugh's greatest strengths (as with Urban).
Where all these Hoke position coaches landed tells us all we need to know about their abilities. No one knows you better than your peers. He essentially gave us a Ball State level staff.
|5 hours 52 min ago||Current S&P+ defense rank is||
Current S&P+ defense rank is 115 for Arizona.
There are only 127 programs in FBS.
|5 hours 55 min ago||I dont think I am bashing||
I dont think I am bashing Rudock as much as I am pointing out that the QB play is essentially unchanged. It "feels" less helter skelter I guess but if you look at downfield throws over 8 yds Rudock has been impotent almost every game. BYU 1st half an exception. I don't care about the long throws of 20+ yds - its the 9 thru 14 yd throws that have been very disappointing. Devin completed some of those. While throwing the same INTs Rudock does. They have diff strengths and weaknesses but have created identical production (at best); I'd argue Devin was more efficient statistically in fact.
The run games of the 2 years have thus far also been identical.
The variance year over year is all in the defense. It's gone from Big 10 solid to nationally elite (thus far).
|6 hours 2 min ago||That's the point of the post.||
That's the point of the post. :)
I think what Durkin and staff has done is the more remarkable thing. You lose your best DE, you lose your best LB, you lose your 2nd best CB to transfer and you add Peppers and your defense goes from S&P+/FEI rank 35-40 to uber bad ass #3 and dominating.
That has allowed Rudock to be Gardner. Yet everyone things Gardner was horrible and Rudock has been a good upgrade. In fact they are a wash at best. Your 2015 offense is essentially identical to your 2014 offense statistically.
The rush games are also identical - I just checked. 1002 yards last year in those 5 Gardner stars. 1007 yards this year.
So running game identical. Gardner with slight edge at QB. Yet sadness and desolation last year, and playoff threads this year.
Can't wait for a difference maker like a "young Gardner" to be our QB.
|6 hours 9 min ago||5 returning starters on OL||
5 returning starters on OL this year + Drevno. Sure helps. Rudock has the superior line. How many times does he truly have pressure on him a game. Vs Devin who often had a guy in his face by "3 apple"...
I wouldnt say the run games were that different however. I'd have to go look but I bet the yards gained running were not off by more than 10% per carry year over year.
EDIT - just checked
So the run games are currently identical...
|6 hours 16 min ago||I did not leave out||
I did not leave out turnovers. It is the far right column which is hid on some platforms by the advertising or the diaries.
They both have 5 TD v 6 INT thru their first 5 stars. Identical stats. In fact they both had 3 in one game.
|6 hours 20 min ago||Read the Ozone Michigan||
Read the Ozone Michigan Monday's the past few weeks. Rudock has been poor on anything over 7-8 yards. 1st half BYU was his one exception in the last 6 halves. Dude from Ozone sits and tracks every throw he has done. OSU and Maryland games were poor once you get out past the 5 yard zone.
The lack of long throws get the attention but the inability to connect in the 8-15 yard range is concerning. You see him throw behind guys and at their feet a lot.
|6 hours 24 min ago||Sort of funny comment.||
Sort of funny comment. Devin's stats thru his first 5 stars last year are not much different than what Rudock is . And Rudock has far superior protection and coaching.
|10 hours 8 min ago||More importantly can anyone||
More importantly can anyone tell me how tall Peppers really is via this photo? Taking into account moon position, wind speed, angle of parking lot, humidity, and shadows?
|10 hours 42 min ago||I am going 17-9 with UM||
I am going 17-9 with UM wearing down NW very late in the game for a TD but a tough close game (i.e. 10-9) mid day thru the 4th?
Stopping Justin Jackson is UM's key on D. Channeling Iowa Rudock for more than 20 minutes is UM's offensive key. Don't turn the ball over and don't sleep on NW's special teams which has helped them to touchdowns vs Duke and Minnesota. Peppers doing some damage vs the nation's #1 punt return defense would be a bonus.
DONT KICK TO WILL LIKE... oh wait.
DONT TURN THE BALL OVER.
Now with all that said and everyone predicting a slog it would be hilarious if this was a 42-38 game.
|11 hours 29 min ago||I agree with your first||
I agree with your first sentence by the way but UM has also only played one top 40 defense in Utah. And until the closing minutes it was held to 10 pts. So that's the issue here. Cant expect the defense to give up 105 yds every game or hold everyone to 7 to 10 pts. Even in MSU's 2013 season when they had a great defense they gave up 20+ pts to the OSUs stanford and the offense had to blossom with Cook late in the year.
|11 hours 41 min ago||They have an easier path then||
They have an easier path then UM - right now their toughest 2 games left are UM and Iowa. They have a potential 10 win Stanford scalp and a potential 8-9 win Duke scalp and destroyed "dark horse West contendor" Minn. That's better than our resume which is a "good loss" and beating BYU. I am not sure how people can mock a NW selection while concurrenty saying UM is on the path to playoffs based on what has happened thus far.
NW has given up 3 TDs all year, one of them a 1 play 22 yd TD when their offense derped the ball deep in their own end. So 2 legit TD drives in 5 games. That wins a lot of football games.
|11 hours 44 min ago||(No subject)||
|11 hours 48 min ago||Doing research on NW this||
Doing research on NW this week they also are talking playoffs. Based on resume - if they knock off UM and just have to play West teams they right now have an easier path in regular season. With the same issues on offense of course!
If they beat UM and Iowa next 2 weeks,they have some not so great teams like Neb PSU and Wisc along with B10 baby seals left. They avoid OSU and MSU.
Iowa avoids OSU MSU and UM. I havent gone over to their boards to research because we dont play them and well...they are Iowa. But probably some dude there is talking playoff too.
Iowa - NW is going to be a huge game next week if NW pulls off this upset.
|11 hours 52 min ago||Just for kicks I looked at||
Just for kicks I looked at all the undefeated teams left and there are way fewer than usual this early in the year. And so many have to still play each other. I think this is the year with a ton of controversy as there will be a lot of 1 loss teams out there at the end and potentially only 1-2 undefeated. Or maybe 1 or none.
I am talking in a general sense not Michigan related. This offense still has to morph into something competent thru the air vs good defenses. It failed v Utah.
|11 hours 55 min ago||Pat Forde might be one of the||
Pat Forde might be one of the greatest minds in all of football. As of today.
|11 hours 56 min ago||Yep - on the main page, Seth||
Yep - on the main page, Seth is able to do excel tables where you can scroll within the table somehow like in an Excel spreadsheet. No idea how he does it; would be nice info to have if we can do the same magic in the Mgoboard.
For now just scroll right ;)
|11 hours 57 min ago||Fun fact - NW has given up 3||
Fun fact - NW has given up 3 TDs all year. One of them a 1 play, 22 yd drive vs Ball State when their offense turned the ball over deep in their own end. So essentially 2 TD drives allowed all year. Impressive whatever the opponents.
Their punt return defense is also amazing - a negative yardage value. Unheard of 5 games into a season.
Major mismatches as below for both teams per stats (i.e. where NW ranks high and UM low and vice versa)
In favor of NW
In favor of UM
There is one wonky stat in there - NW is bad at giving up TFL but great at not giving up sacks. So that is a curious one as usually you suck at both or are good at both.
|12 hours 24 min ago||The sad thing is Lions 1st||
The sad thing is Lions 1st round picks (often being top 10) are at least serviceable for a while. Some exceptions like LeShoure and Williams etc. But where they are truly Lions is the 2nd round where countless teams find stars. Go look up the past decade of 2nd rounders it is amazing.
Like many I grew up an amazing fan for a few decades (started in Hipple, Danielson era) and lived thru decades of "well at least I still have Michigan on Saturdays." But somewhere around yr 5 of millen I turned off my emotions to the team. They had just beaten me to a pulp. I momentarily lapsed for half a season when they got Suh because I thought he was going to be reggie white but I saw even he would be Lionized soon enough.
I used to be the guy who would clear 1-4PM out every Sunday with no one allowed to bother me for ages. But the past 10 years or so I have no problem sauntering in to start watcing at 3 PM and laughing at how they will lose. Every lead I mock as "gone soon enough". Every road team over .500 I remind that Matt Stafford has 1 win in is career over a >.500 team. (Up 21-3 vs San Diego in game 1? "LOL they are doomed - the ony question is how they lose.") It is amusement now more than anything. I do realize that so many still love them and are attached with the heart and I feel bad for those people since the Lions never change their fate. Even Arizona changed its fate. So now its just Cle and Det.
That said I miss Art regner on the old WDFN post game show in the Millen era - best entertainment of my life!
|22 hours 12 min ago||AlsoUM vs MSU is now a pick||
UM vs MSU is now a pick em game. MSU was favored by 4.5 when early lines came out.
OSU is only favored by 4.5 after being favored by 16 this summer.