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- ND has the #1 and #4 player
- OSU has #2, #5, #6, #8, #11
- MSU has #9 and #12
- #3 is Ferns
- #7 is Sammons (massive OSU lean)
- #10 is Farrell (massive OSU lean)
|2 days 7 hours ago||Obviously I have no idea||
Obviously I have no idea where they will land. I just know we need high value players who can play right away at LB. Our depth next year is bad at that position. Other than Gedeon I dont know if anyone can play at this level. Maybe McCray but who knows.
p.s. Bush has 17 crystal balls - not 1 to UM. Hard to believe we are a leader. I mock crystal ballz to a degree too and yes they are completely wrong from time to time but you'd expect SOMEONE to move the bar if we were a "leader".
|2 days 7 hours ago||Minnesota kicked our ass last||
Minnesota kicked our ass last year and the bulk of that team had almost no 4 stars. Utah had I think three 4 stars on the entire roster. Good coaches get it done with less.
As for MSU they have two top 100 targets (King, Robertson) everyone thinks are going to fall for them in the first week of June to go along with their other 4s. Corley is a top 150 player and dude is walking around Midwest camps dressed in Spartan crap from top to bottom. They are never going to be a class like OSU or ND. But for them getting 6-8 four stars is a very good class and they look well on their way. And they can develop those players so I dont think they are sweating anything - they just show up in fall and win a lot of games. They just put two CBs into the first round of the NFL with 2/3 stars - and this year's class of 3 potential first rounders are a two 3 stars (Cook, Calhoun) and a no star (Conklin). I think their level of worry is akin to ours after 2013 with Beilein.
Dantiono has a good eye for talent - I think when he takes guys now, esp on defense a bunch of services relook at those guys and "bigger schools" also re-assess. But they are also now in on a lot of guys who the recruiting services are high on. They are putting together a very good class for them.
|2 days 7 hours ago||If we had Nike uniforms I||
If we had Nike uniforms I think we'd have 7 five stars by now.
|2 days 7 hours ago||Completely cogent post that||
Completely cogent post that deserves a downvote. lol Mgoblog - you vex sometime.
|2 days 7 hours ago||Actually it does get||
Actually it does get updated. Otherwise I would not be removing guys who went from warm to cold. Or adding guys who went from cold to warm. After V1.0 Aquaman said 2 guys on the list were probably going to be changed from warm very soon and they were.
|2 days 7 hours ago||Oregon and Oklahoma disagree||
Oregon and Oklahoma disagree with you.
Michigan can do very well with a system that takes 35-40% kids in any class from MI, 15% OH, 10% PA, 15-20% NJ to VA corridor, and supplement the rest with forays into FL TX and CA. That's how we used to win and produce a plethora of NFL talent and there is no reason it cannot continue. We've had some of the shittiest position coaching this program has seen since the 50s of late and wasting good enough talent. Just like Texas and Alabama and Tennessee and Notre Dame have done on and off. We do need OH talent - its a hotbed and getting 1 kid a class or something is not a way to do it here. Just like Oklahoma needs Texas talent.
MSU just had back to back top 5 seasons with basically a roster full of MI, PA and OH kids supplemented by a few kids in NJ, IL and a few way down the list of FL prospects. TCU and Baylor are doing it with scraps left over from SEC teams and Oklahoma and Texas. Oregon is doing it with little talent from their home state. Etc.
|2 days 7 hours ago||He was the plan B. The plan||
He was the plan B. The plan A stayed at Kentucky after spurning UM. And we replaced that slot on the staff with a 25 year old with no college contacts and really not a lot to say on a recruiting trip other than I was the video analyst for a Super Bowl team. And he is close to their ages so I guess he can play Instagram.
Look if it took hiring Tom Crean to be our offensive coordinator to get Jim here, I'd support it so I'm fine with Jay as a necessary evil but I have not seen much utility from him and frankly some of the stuff he has put out I think is a bad look. Some guys are going to just have a lot more going for them than others. Vince Marrow was a big asset to UK in Ohio - they were competing with Mork for a ton of commits the past 3 years - guys who were plan Bs for OSU. At a school with zero football lineage. So we struck out on Marrow and dont really have an OH guy per se. We have a lesser known guy in Zordich. Who (I think) is supposed to be more of a PA guy although i think he is from/near Youngstown? Could be geting it wrong - lots of football guys of late are from Youngstown.
|2 days 11 hours ago||Yes the LB in particular (and||
Yes the LB in particular (and DBs to a degree) surprise me because talented kids want to play right away. If you are selling the LB position at UM you basically can tell the 2016 kids "you are going to have a chance to start in 2016." And it's 100% realistic. I would expect 1 true freshman (if he is a top 100 type guy who actually is as good in college as his HS ranking) to be starting next year - we basically have Gedeon as a contributor who will return. Everyone else is a special teams player or has contributed little - guys like McCray or Gant. Then we seem to have flipped Winovich to TE (!) and lost Ferns from that class - so that leaves Furbush who has been injured it seems his entire time here and Wangler who is more of a project.
I'd think kids would kill for that type of avenue to playing time for a major P5 program.
The DB conversation is identical with a 1 year delay. Nearly everyone who has contributed is clearing out in 2 seasons - Stribling, Lewis, Wilson, Countess (already gone), Lyons.
There is a reason my signature says PREPARE for a young D in 2017.
I am trying to figure out what negative recruiting everyone is talking about people are using against us. All of that applies to Hoke - "can't develop, mediocre coach" etc. That doesnt apply to Jim H. Is it "he is too intense for you to take?" or what is all this negative recruiting about. If its "they don't win" that is part and parcel with the last coach....
|2 days 11 hours ago||Ironically the guy who has||
Ironically the guy who has brought in much of the bacon thus far is a guy from the NFL - Wheatley.
Drevno I didnt expect fireworks from since he has been in CA for ages and is not known as an ace recruiter. More content with him being a great developer of talent. Durkin was supposed to be a recruiting dynamo and open up Florida to us big time. Still early but it certainly has not been a freight train out of Florida up to Michigan yet. Mattison of course is also a guy for the D. All those guys were in college last year and those are both our coordinators so I dont see it as an issue really. I do realize the relationship with the position coach is important so maybe it hurts in other areas. Thought there would be residiual relationships - specificially with Durkin - which would allow us to bring 4-5 kids up from Florida.
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|2 days 12 hours ago||For those curious we have 18||
For those curious we have 18 scholarship kids from OH. That is 21% of outstanding scholarships.
About half are starters or competing for a starter. i.e. Wilson, Charlton, Bolden, Henry, Butt, Kalis...Wormley, Smith, Thomas, Gedeon.
Which makes the shutout in OH a head scratcher. Should be kids in the 15-25 range we like ... if nothing else keep these relationships with OH HS coaches viable.
|2 days 12 hours ago||Just looking at the state||
Just looking at the state there are a lot of kids already spoken for by ND and OSU and then guys who are free are guys like Ferns whose brother left UM.
That's your first dozen - only #12 has UM had any chance with and that was DeWeaver. I think guys like Eichenberg and Hausmann sort of gave UM a passing glance at one point but nothing serious.
To put in perspective depth the 14th-15th player in OH this year is 247 ranked low 400s to mid 400s so just outside a 4 ranking. These guys would be much higher ranked than a Jake Ryan, Frank Clark, or Henry.
|2 days 12 hours ago||I will do research on||
I will do research on that...
No, in all seriousness I meant there are only so many uncommitted top 300s to be had //// and less when you consider those who will leave the south. Then add those who will seriously consider UM in any scenario on earth. And its a smaller #. So its not a huge pool to begin with and we are not in play for too many in any fashion at this point.
Waiting 6 months for this potential 8 win season to showcase to recruits when they are being recruited by programs projected for 10-11 this year is also notsomething I see as a viable way to win over a ton of recruits. We are going to have to be selling NFL development more than anything at this stage with the type of coaches we have.
|2 days 17 hours ago||I am more perplexed at the||
I am more perplexed at the defense. Jim is getting guys in on offense - maybe not as highly ranked as some expected but there are guys there. We are not getting defensive guys nor are we even getting serious interest on almost anyone on the defense despite having what are considered 2 elite recruiters in Durkin and Mattison.
What I did notice is on offense a lot of players are Midwest or Atlantic coast. Meanwhile a lot of the "warms" on defense are TX, CA, deep south - areas harder to recruit. Look at the LBs - its CA, TX, FL...only 1 guy from VA is an area we normally have a decent hit rate on. So those are more difficult conversions with a lot of local powers competing for those players and distance plays into it.
And again being shut out of OH is difficult - usually we'd get 3-5 kids a class from that state.
|2 days 17 hours ago||But a lot of kids will be off||
But a lot of kids will be off the board by the "time we win" i.e. November 2015. Much harder to flip someone - esp a lot of these guys who will have been committed for many months (half a year+) then get an original committment. There are only so many top 300 players out there to be had and a lot are going to programs that are expected to be competing for conf championships. We're not competing with Vanderbilt for most of these guys.
|2 days 17 hours ago||I don't know.... I have him||
I don't know.... I have him classified as 247 classified him. Seems Jim is willing to flip guys a lot so how we recruit certain positions doesn't seem to matter much - a DB could go to WR and vice versa... unless said WR is 6'5.
|2 days 17 hours ago||I think there was (and is) a||
I think there was (and is) a lot of belief he is not truly going to end up at PSU by next Feb. He has been visiting UM and MSU lately, the latter more recently.
Unfort since 5/1 there have been 6 picks for MSU and 0 for UM. All the UM picks were from Jul-Aug 2014 when most thought this is where he would land. He was 100% UM thru early fall. That's when we used to have a loaded 2015 class and all was hopeful going into the fall of 2014. So you can think the UM crystal balls as legacy picks...
He is not really a favorite to UM by recent standards but I just used the total allocations to stay consistent.
|2 days 20 hours ago||First thought is this won't||
First thought is this won't end well as I can imagine the flurry of calls post first loss or loss to OSU anytime in the next few years.
Then I remember Harbaugh won't lose a game so it's moot.
|3 days 2 hours ago||Exactly this. Paragraph 2.||
Exactly this. Paragraph 2. Maybe Brethard is better than rudock. Who knows. Maybe he isn't. But is rudock better than what we have currently? That is all that matters. If yes you take him. Just like if Alabama's 3rd string center was better than anything we had - you take him at UM.
We are not at a point in the program to stick our nose up at upgrades even if it means the 2nd string at Iowa is better than our projected 1st string. That's due to a lot of issues that happened here - both in the development of Morris and the fact Hoke didnt take a QB in the class ahead of Morris thus depriving us of an upperclassmen option to compete with Morris in house from that class. Along with Bellomy not developing.
Again if the 10th string QB at ABC college is better than our first, I dont care that 9 guys beat him out at ABC college. He improves our team.
|3 days 4 hours ago||Brian's comment is more a||
Brian's comment is more a reflection of his competition. You have a multi year Big 10 starter who threw 5 INTs last year vs a bunch of guys with zero experience or a guy whose experience thus far has ranged from meh to horrible. Again our combined TDs thrown by the roster ex Rudock is zero. And really Speight and Malzone don't seem like real options so Brian's comment is basically Morris v Rudock.
|3 days 4 hours ago||Not as of early this week per||
Not as of early this week per Harbaugh. Harbaugh was asked about him at a charity golf outing post Peru and he said he didnt know where he was and he had to finish up classes at Iowa. Not sure how late Iowa's semester is.
|3 days 4 hours ago||I think Butt is already good||
I think Butt is already good - not could be. He just didnt have a QB get him the ball very often. His hands are great - I remember perhaps 2 drops all year and being surprised when they happened as opposed to expecting them in the spring game from our Wrs.
I think with the lack of game changers at Wr and Harbaugh's love of TEs, Butt should have a huge year. He is exactly the type of guy a supposedly conservative rudock will love.
|3 days 4 hours ago||I was thinking what Brian||
I was thinking what Brian wrote about Iowa's WR corp sounded like a carbon copy of what an Iowa blogger would have said about our WR core last year (or this spring) minus Funchess.
Darboh is a decent guy who can get a little separation (not much) and everyone else right now is iffy, not super productive, lacks separation ability, or a young guy we've never seen in a game or thus far whose career highights are fancy footwork youtube videos.
|3 days 19 hours ago||I vote for 50 halos circling||
I vote for 50 halos circling the outside of the stadium, one for every 2 rows....
Can't go wrong bro...
|3 days 19 hours ago||I don't want the summer to||
I don't want the summer to pass quickly in any regard other than for this board.
|3 days 22 hours ago||For some guys it is just body||
For some guys it is just body type - example: Tayshaun Prince.
240ish is pretty solid for an eventual 4 at his height. But for this year it would probably benefit him to get closer to 245+ to bang inside as he is supposedly going to be a stop gap at 5 for a season at least.
|3 days 22 hours ago||I think Stribling and Ross||
I think Stribling and Ross need to go to Camp Sanderson.
|4 days 8 hours ago||I don't see it. OSU is more||
I don't see it. OSU is more prominent in football now and the 2 programs are about equal in bball nowadays and OSU has a 46M, 11 year deal. $4M-$4.5M is the Nike #. Yes you can argue brand but that's probably going to push UM closer to $4.5M.
Adidas sure as hell paid up.
|4 days 8 hours ago||Von Bell - Class of 2013 - 5||
Von Bell - Class of 2013 - 5 star, #24 overall in the country was their 2nd leading tackler with 92 and had 6 picks. If we get that sort of production out of Peppers we'll be thrilled and everyone will talk about losing him to the NFL in a year.
Tyvis Powell - Class of 2012 - generic 3 star recruit was their other safety had 76 tackles and 4 picks. If Jarrod Wilson can get that sort of production we'll be thrilled.
They did lose Doran Grant and his 63 tackles and 5 INTs to graduation.
The other corner Apple (class of 13, 48th overall) had 53 tackles and 3 INTs
All 4 of those guys had more INTs than the entire UM secondary (which had friggin 2). Two of those guys had more INTs than the whole team (we had 5 as a TEAM).
Lewis v Apple is the only one we can clearly state we favor Lewis ....and OSU would argue otherwise based on production. Apple had more tackles - by a good amount - and 1 more INT. I guess we can argue no one threw on Lewis in the back half of last year as a counter point.
For comparison, Jarrod Wilson 50 tackles , 0 INTs. Lewis 39 tackles 2 INTs, Blake gone, Lyons a part time starter who lost his job as the year went by, etc.
Hard to say our secondary is better or possibly far more.
If you want to talk DTs - with their graduation losses and our guys - yes we are probably going to be better there. LBs can be a discussion point although I think our guys are "steady" and they have more explosive fast players. Forget DEs (Bosa). And secondary - again, we HOPE Peppers plays like Von Bell. And we have Lewis. And then some guys who are steady. It's not some great secondary.
|4 days 8 hours ago||Or one could say their OL||
Or one could say their OL improved tremendously from Sept to Nov, thus opening monster holes for Elliot to spring thru and allowing both Barrett and Jones all day to throw. Everyone focuses on the skill position but OSU's OL destroyed MSU's front 7 in EL and then manhandled Oregon and Alabama.