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|2 days 13 hours ago||I know we all love Harbuagh||
I know we all love Harbuagh and he is a great coach and that was a great win but that team still finished the year 4-8 with some pretty big blow out losses. He was building a program but I don't think that years Stanford is the reason to point to how great a season they had. If you want to say it proves he can beat anyone sure but there have plenty of upsets in college football and it rarely means something.
|2 days 15 hours ago||Doesn't it make more sense to||
Doesn't it make more sense to count how many different QB's from a school played in a superbowl rather than how many each one started? Obviously makes Michigan look worse but if you are trying to claim to be the cradle of quarterbacks it might help to have sent more than one really good qb to the super bowl. It is more impressive if 6 different Qb's from a school go to a superbowl than one QB 6 times.
|2 days 16 hours ago||If you believe you are the||
If you believe you are the best other commitments do not matter to you. Alabama brings in the top running backs in the country every year, doesn't stop people from commiting to them.
|2 days 17 hours ago||Kate Upton? They were||
Kate Upton? They were talking about Spike's number.
|2 days 18 hours ago||Didn't a former QB come out||
Didn't a former QB come out and say that with a deflated ball and better grip he could throw the ball 10 yards further? Your insights while helpful have been played out in the real world and at least QB's think that they can throw a deflated ball further, indiciating that your 2nd and 3rd points have neglible effect on the flight off the ball while the improved grip makes a much larger difference.
|2 days 18 hours ago||I mean if you want to get||
I mean if you want to get really technical about it a softer football is easier to grip and thus make you less likely to fumble. But yeah anyone arguing that it changed the outcome of this game is lying to themselves.
|2 days 18 hours ago||Well then the Ivy league||
Well then the Ivy league would return to football dominance and Stanford, Duke, and Northwestern would be powerhouses so this wouldn't really benefit Michigan either.
|2 days 18 hours ago||Not to be a debbie downer or||
Not to be a debbie downer or anything but in the next two years osu has a much greater chance of playing for nationals championships. We are going to be pleased with a 10 win season, they are going to upset with anything other than a return to the playoff. Not to mention he just watched ezekiel elliot dominate behind an oline that is returning 4 starters. If you don't think that osu's situation over the next 3 years compares favorably to Michigan I don't know what to tell you.
Now if you are talking more than 2 years out once Harbaugh gets a class or two in and has remade the team than sure the future looks bright but I think Mike Weber is probably more interested in the next 2 years rather than the next 6.
|3 days 15 hours ago||They should be given the 25k||
They should be given the 25k fine that is in the rulebooks, nothing more nothing less. I'm just pushing back against the people who seem to think that because other people do it it isn't a)breaking the rules and b) doesn't give an advantage to the team
|3 days 15 hours ago||If no rules were broken why||
If no rules were broken why did they get punished?
|3 days 17 hours ago||Well its because it happened||
Well its because it happened in the playoffs in a one and done format and it was done by a team that has a history of breaking rules for a competitve advantage a week after they scored a td on a crucial drive using a tactic that most people involved in football was outside the spirit of the game if not technically illegal and that the refs probably messed up by allowing to happen. The context has certainly made the story bigger than the crime warrants but its like when a famous person gets a dui, happens all the time (sadly) but its only a news story when someone famous gets caught. Deflating balls happens all the time but its only a big news story when it happens to the patriots in the playoffs. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
|3 days 17 hours ago||Then he should either get his||
Then he should either get his balls removed by the ref over the course of the game as they drop below the league threshold or his equipment manager should inflate the balls slightly more than normal to account for the temperature. If you choose to have the balls at the lowest possible range then you run the risk of having the balls being taken from you and getting fined when the weather changes. The risks of living life on the edge.
|3 days 17 hours ago||Right but when you get caught||
Right but when you get caught holding you take the 10 yard penalty and nobody argues that what you did was within the rules. Like I said I'm not arguing the punishments should be the same or the outrage should be the same but people are trying to argue that this has no material impact on the game and thus should not be worth talking about. That is crazy to me.
How can you not think this could impact a game. If a qb can throw the ball 10 yards further that can be the difference between a td or interception. If a wr can make a catch he couldn't with a fully inflated ball it could keep a crucial drive alive, if a player is able to grip a ball better and thus fumbles less it impacts the game. Maybe it had no material impact on the game but it could have and thus when you get caught you get punished and reprimanded. The fact that is happens a lot doesn't mean you shouldn't get reprimanded.
|3 days 17 hours ago||And if a cop chooses to give||
And if a cop chooses to give you a ticket for that they legally can. And by the sound of it it seems more like going 66 in a 55. Everyone drives 10 over the speed limit but going 11 over is what is going to make the difference and get you a ticket. Maybe everyone deflates the ball but the Patriots took it a step too far with a 2 psi differnce and anyone who has ever played catch with a football in cold air knows it is harder to catch because the ball has less give.
|3 days 17 hours ago||It is a perfect analogy||
It is a perfect analogy because in both cases a large portion of players knowingly break a rule and the one's who get caught get punished. I'm not arguing that they have equal impacts on the game or that the punishment should be equal. The point of the analogy was that just because other players break the same rule that doesn't mean getting caught breaking that rule shouldn't be punished. Congrats to Peyton and Aaron that they have not gotten caught doing it yet but if they do they should get punished too. The number of players who break a rule doesn't change its value as a rule.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Because it wouldn't account||
Because it wouldn't account for a 2 psi difference and would have impacted the colts balls at the exact same rate if the issue was weather. Or because apparently the Patriots did this against the Ravens as well when it was 50 degrees at kickoff. Or because they had also done this against the colts in the regular season which is part of why the Colts knew to keep the balls so they could prove it. Or because it was only 11 of 12 balls and if it wad due to weather it would have been all 12. I mean the list of reasons that weather is a weak excuse is pretty lengthy.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Most star players try to||
Most star players try to cheat so it really isn't cheating is a great take. Should just let them all take performance enhacing drugs. If everyone does it is totally ok to let the dumbass who gets caught go.
|4 days 17 hours ago||You keep saying it wasn't||
You keep saying it wasn't noticeable but yeah clearly the colts noticed since they you know, filed a complaint.
|4 days 17 hours ago||Except there was a noticable||
Except there was a noticable difference. The reason the colts filed a complaint was becaue after their interception they could tell the ball felt weird. Refs being dumb does not excuse the actions, it just makes the refs dumb.
|4 days 17 hours ago||That's not how fucking rules||
That's not how fucking rules work. Just because the refs were too incompetent to catch the Pats cheating doesn't mean they still didn't cheat. If a cop watches you break the law and doesn't do anything about it that doesn't mean you didn't still break the law.
This is pretty much like speeding actually. Is it drastically going to change anything one way or the other? Not really. Do cops let people speed by all the time with no penalty. Yes. But when you do get pulled over speeding you shut up and pay the ticket because you know that you were breaking the rules. Same thing for the Pats, deflating the balls was not the difference in this game but they got caught so shut up and pay the fine. I just think its hilarious how everyone on this board thought there was no way the patriots would ever have done something to break the rules for an advantage.
|4 days 18 hours ago||The talent still has to be||
The talent still has to be there. He didn't teach athletecism to robinson, Stauskas was one of the best shooters in the country before he ever stepped on a college court, burke was already one of the hardest working players (his videos of working out in high school before getting to Michiganw was crazy), etc. Obviously he did a great job, though I wish he would have suspended his two foul rule in the championship game and used Burke to stop the late second half run but whatever. This team doesn't have the same elite level of talent to be coached up so it will significantly more tactical prowess and actual coaching to get them wins.
|5 days 12 hours ago||Paterno was always a little||
Paterno was always a little dirty and never really punished players. The saint joe crap was all media and the fact that nobody ever turned the players in because of the cult atmosphere. Granted that is like most big time college football programs, the sandusky situation is what takes it to another level and took from over loved annoying coach to legitimately bad person.
|5 days 12 hours ago||It is refreshing to see||
It is refreshing to see someone acknowledge that Michigan isn't good this year because the elite talent isn't there. That is what scares me for next year since nobody is coming in, especially if levert gets a first round grade and goes pro.
At this point as great as john beilein is we are looking at a couple misses on the 2016 recruiting trail from losing all the momentum from the final four run. Really sucks to have not seen that turn into more recruiting success.
|5 days 14 hours ago||Considering in his own||
Considering in his own testimony before a grand jury paterno said that he was told about Sandusky abusing a child in the shower I'm not sure what the grey area is. In 1998 Sandusky fucking admitted to showering with a young boy after his mother complained to the university and his punishment was he was told to not shower with boys again. Paternon let him keep the charities offices in the same building with access to the football facilities and program after the fucker admitted that and that should be enough to taint his legacy. And then it is reported again that Sandusky is showering with boys in 2000 and 2001 and he was still allowed the facilities and program until 2010. I don't care if he technically did what he had to do under the law the man did the bare minimum possible and remained friends with and allowed a man who he had been told had abused three different children on three different occasions access to his football program and the facilities where he abused more children. If Paterno had acted as he should have he may have prevent the abuse of multiple children even if not the prosecution of Sandusky.
If you don't think that is enough to taint a mans legacy and think it means he deserves to be in hell I don't know what to tell you. When your inaction allowed a child predator to continue working some of the blame belongs to you. I wouldn't judge current psu by the scandal if current psu acknowledged what their football program and insitution and joepa did. I wouldn't judge them if they didn't petition to have his statue put back up or wear 409 shirts. I wouldn't judge them if the woman sitting next to me hadn't cried she was so happy when they played sweet caroline during their game against us in 2013. I wouldn't judge them if they hadn't hired Florida State's president partly because of how "well" he handled the Winston allegations or hired Franklin even as there was an open investigation into whethre he had helped cover up rape by some of his players. But they did all of those things, that fanbase is now my most disliked in sports and I will never root for them against anyone.
|6 days 16 hours ago||Also without the making the||
Also without the making the ncaa tourney thing.
|6 days 17 hours ago||The Colts are arguing that||
The Colts are arguing that the Patriots futzed with the balls in the time between the check and the start/play of the game. It would result in all of a 25,000 fine at maximum so its a non issue in terms of the game but more just is further proof in the legacy rule breaking under bellichik.
|6 days 17 hours ago||Thanks. This was a really||
Thanks. This was a really informative response that totally countered every point I made and has left me thinking that clearly this is all just sour grapes from the Colts and Brady is a god who would never have allowed something wrong to happen under his watch. Your powers of persuasion and debate style are really something that should be lauded and taught to future generations.
|6 days 18 hours ago||Of course the people who||
Of course the people who whine about the technicalities are the ones who lost, brilliant observation there buddy. I don't care about peyton manning and I actually hate the colts and was rooting for the Patriots. The point is that the Patriots under bellichik have a history of looking for ways to gain a competitive balance outside of the rules. It isn't whether that competitive edge was the difference in the game it is the pattern of actions and suggests they are probably doing other things they aren't getting caught for.
And lol at people who are saying that because the refs failed in their jobs it makes what they did ok. I bet you are the same people who argue that illegally downloading shows and movies isn't wrong or is different than shoplifitng because you are not going to get caught.
|6 days 19 hours ago||Yeah neck and neck with a||
Yeah neck and neck with a school he hasn't visited and that school is UCLA. He is going to be comparing UCLA in January to Michigan in Janury. I'm going to be shocked if we get him.
|6 days 19 hours ago||The Partriots defenders on||
The Partriots defenders on this board are absurd. Bellichik and the pats have a history of breaking the rules for a competitive advantage and yet everyone gives them the benefit of the doubt. The issue isn't whether or not deflating the balls was the reason for the colts losing, they could have been playing with a beach ball and they would have lost. The issue is that the Patriots once again looked for a way to break the rules to gain a competitive advantage, just because they didn't need it in the end doesn't make it wrong that they went for it. They did the same thing last week. They didn't technically break the rules but when a player declares themselves as eligible the defense is supposed to be notified but instead they quick snapped the ball. It was mostly on the refs for not standing over the ball and preventing it but the Patriots also knew exactly what they were doing. There is a reason they didn't run a play with again after Harbaugh's freak out because after that the refs said they would stand over the ball to allow the defense to be notified. Once the rules were actually enforced the Patriots play would be much less effective.
The Patriots were the better team last night and deserved to win but holy crap why is everyone giving the benefit of the doubt to a coach who has been caught cheating before?