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- PG - Walton gets fouls? Spike is a starting caliber backup.
- Wing - Levert would be a problem, but they could play two PG or they could put any combination of Irvin, MAAR, Dawkins, Robinson, or Chatman out there.
- Center - We're four deep.....without an obvious drop off between most of them.
I think it was 1995 when the MMB actually went to a Northwestern road game. This was the era when they had those two amazing years and they beat Michigan in a close game. The behavior of this old, rich, suburban "fans" of Northwestern was more rude to us after they stormed the field than even what I saw in three trips to OSU. Screaming profanities in the face of 20-year old band members apparently was the way they celebrated their victory. I chalked it up to the fact that they hadn't won in decades.
My first trip to Ohio State was in 1994. We were planning to send the Fanfare Band from where our buses were located to an alumni tailgate on the other side of the stadium. They had provided us a State Police escort of a couple of armed officers. They told our director that they could not ensure our safety walking through the parking lot and therefore we couldn't perform. It was scary.
- I think it was on my second trip to OSU in 1996 (though I'm sure the message board will correct me if it wasn't) went much better....until the trip home. We had won the game and while leaving Columbus a State Police car proceeded to pull over 4 of our 7 MMB buses for speeding. Our driver found this funny since the buses had regulators on them that prevented them from going more than 70.
- RichRod excluded Falk from the decision
- Falk didn't catch it and it slipped thru the cracks
- Falk intentionally let it happen as part of the "old guard"
- In 1994 bump into Coach Carr and tell him not to rush 3 in his hail mary defense just in case it comes up during the season.
- In 2006 find Shawn Crable in the lunch room at his dorm and remind him to be careful when hitting short QBs out of the pocket or to remember his blocking assignment at all times on FGs.
- In 2008 talk to RichRod when he lands at the airport and suggest that he pull out all the stops for his DC or even consider keeping Ron English and part of his staff for at least 1-2 years so he can worry about the O and let someone else worry about the D. (Also remind him that Gerg is a terrible football coach.)
- Go back 5 days and either sneak into the huddle before the final snap and remind O'Niel to fall on the ball if anything goes wrong.
- Butt catch was over-ruled by a distant ump
- Sideline catch by MSU called out by TWO refs, overturned in booth
- First two Michigan goalline plays were called TD on the field, overturned in booth
- Third Michigan goalline play called TD and upheld, but could have been stopped on the field for forward progress
- PI penalty on 86 was called by a ref far away from the play and not overturned by the guy who got run into
- Block in the back on the punt was thankfully overturned by someone else, but still called by one of the refs
- Refs pick up a block-in-the-back flag that looked like something typically called and rarely picked up.
- PI call on a play when Chesson and the DB get tangled up and he was probably overthrown anyway since that's how long passes go.
- FB 80-yard run being called back to the 1-foot line
- TD on the third try when forward progress should have been stopped and reply upholds the call.
- Uh......I thought there were more.......
- Targeting on Bolden
- PI call on the play where MSU WR bumps into ref
- Too many men on D
- Encroachment penalty where D supposedly caused MSU OL to jump
- Personal foul on Henry for piling on despite late whistle
- Toe-drag on sideline despite two refs calling him out
- Butt catch that would have been upheld if nearby official didn't get overruled by an official from far away
- Both initial replay over-turns at the goal-line
- Phantom holding goal when we would have had first and goal
- Facemask call on Rudock that went uncalled
- Any RB over the last 10 years. Mike Cox became a fringe NFL player after being glued to the bench. Rawls is now a fantasy sleeper after a 170 yard game. Brandon Minor and Carlos Brown may have found consistency.
- Funchess - I know he was mentioned, but the question is whether Harbaugh sees him as a WR or thinks he can keep him at TE in some way.
- Taylor Lewan - As much as he was loved during his career, he never had the impact or consistency of Long, Jansen, etc. What could have have been under Harbaugh without the ever-changing systems around him?
- Dileo, Roundtree, Odoms, Gallon - Imagine if these guys, who all had solid careers already, actually played in an offense that threw free yards on quick passes.
- Tate - I think this is a more interesting player than Denard. I have no idea what Harbaugh would have done with Denard, but he would have loved Tate's mix of running and passing.
- Stonum - Long time ago and suspended for a year, then kicked off team
- Gibbons - This was a mess....total mess. But he eventually was kicked off the team
- Clark - Kicked off the team relatively promptly
- LTT - Kicked off the team immediately
- Stribling doesn't make the trip, pushing Peppers to #3 CB
- With Peppers at #3 CB, Thomas becomes the dime
- At one point in the game Hill got hurt and had to leave for a few plays.
- Brian Cole, a special teams ace, is hurt.
|1 week 3 hours ago||Hope for this year.....||
Watching that video is what gives me hope for this year. If Beilein can pull off that success with guys like Anthony Wright, Zach Gibson, and Kelvin Grady (an underrated player in my opinion) then I like our chances with the 2016 roster despite some of the obvious holes and lack of NBA talent.
|1 week 1 day ago||Positions||
Would have been nice to list the positions for the guys in your list after their names. While I follow recruiting, keeping track of all these names is tough.
|1 week 2 days ago||Rotation - 9 for sure, probably 10||
I never bought the argument that there was going to be an 8-man rotation. Even last year that wasn't really the case.
Chatman would be #10 in this case and is currently getting meaningful minutes. MAAR would be #11. He'll probably play here and there but not be a regular.
As for three centers, we played Morgan/McGary/Horford and then Doyle/Donnal/Max. The third guy might only get a few minutes, but he'll play.
|1 week 2 days ago||Fouls vs. Depth||
Obviously we don't want to turn games into a foul-shooting contest as those are harder to win. But there is somewhat of an advantage to this year's team if it went that way. First of all, Beilein teams are very good at shooting free throws. If the refs are going to call everything, let's parade to the line. (Assuming Michigan actually gets to the line since they somehow avoid that historically.)
The other part of it is that depth plays an advantage here. Michigan is literally 2-deep across the roster and doesn't sacrifice a ton of performance having to dip into the bench. This isn't giving true freshmen or walkon players minutes.
|1 week 2 days ago||OSU vs Iowa||
Besides name recognition, why does OSU deserve to be ahead of Iowa? Curious what the board thinks of that.
This only matters two weeks from now anyway. The SEC will get a spot. Clemson will get a spot. An undefeated B10 team gets a spot while a 1-loss team has to sweat it out. ND needs help. The OK schools have to win this week so that the winner of their game gets a spot.
The Pac12 is out and Michigan has to run the table and get help....
|1 week 3 days ago||More suggestions....||
If you have any toddlers in the house, be sure to teach them what the middle finger is used for and have them flip off anyone wearing Michigan clothes.
I will not actively root either way. I want to see an intense game where MSUs front 7 punish the OSU offense into a bruised pulp that we can take advantage of next week. If MSU happens to lose on the last play in crazy fashion...that would be nice.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||MMB Stories....||
So I have traveled to a variety of away stadiums over the years with minimal incidents. But in college I was in the MMB and had a couple of stories that fit this narrative. As most MMB members will tell you, after the football team retreats to the locker room the band is left in the midst of enemy territory clad from head to toe in Michigan colors. Thus the MMB gets to experience the drunk and rowdy fans ire after the game.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||No race??||
Ace - can't you gif the practice race that they showed during the game?
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Udoh||
I mentioned Epke Udoh earlier in passing somewhat as a joke, but I was thinking about him more. We don't associate him with Michigan because he played at Baylor for a year and left UM under negative terms.
Then again, he played two full years at Michigan ... which is as many as any of the other guys and far more than Crawford. He also only played one year at Baylor.
But the point is moot anyway.....Udoh isn't in the NBA this season and is playing overseas after being on the Clippers last year.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||McGary & Crawford||
Is McGary hurt or just glued to the bench.
Don't forget about Jamal Crawford as the other former UM player in the league (unless you count Epke Udoh).
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Grantland||
The biggest compliment I can give Grantland is that it made me read about topics I normally wouldn't. I would go there to read Simmons (I still liked him after it became more popular to hate him), Titus, or Keri and stumble on to a random post about soccer, pop culture, or any other topic. Sometimes the subject, the over-use of prose and big words, and the length of the columns turned me off, but most times I found myself interested.
What I will miss most about Grantland beyond the sports is the Game of Thrones content. During the season they would post three columns, 2 of which were always going to be great.
Maybe Simmons got a little too full of himself these last couple of years as he grew from "everyman" to "I am a host on the NBA pregame show and hang out with famous people all the time". But his heart and head were in the right place. I hope he creates a forum with his piles of money and HBO contract to do something similar.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||O'Korn koolaid||
I am curious why so many people are so high on O'Korn relative to Morris. I obviously can't defend any on field performance by Morris, but it seems that OK is nearly as raw. I would have Morris more like 20% and Hill more as a footnote. If he transfers, then his % is extremely high. If he doesn't then it is probably 45% OK, 30% Morris, and the rest about equal.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||The Butt Catch||
In addition to another cluster F*** call by these refs, no one has mentioned that Rudock slipped on that play, which caused the low pass. My seats are in endzone row 3 and his front foot slid on the turf. Still a bad throw by him, but that's what happened.
One thing that would have been nice in Seths breakdown of the refs would be to single out which ref screwed up on the play like UFR. Would love to see if there was a trend there.
Also, why so many blocking plays for Butt and so few pass targets??
|4 weeks 2 days ago||One frustration......||
Maybe you can answer this one because there is one Falk story that I haven't heard told and has bothered me since it happened.
There are countless stories about how Falk knows everyone and everything. About how he personally handles details. About how he has solved countless problems over the years that we never even hear about.
So answer me this - Why did JT Floyd get issued the #1 jersey in Spring Practice when RichRod was hired???
While this incident was a minor one in the overall history of RichRod's tenure, it was one of the first situations that caused a fissure in the fan base and provided ammo to the old guard about how an "outsider" like RichRod with his fancy spread offense would never work at Michigan. Braylon made a big deal about it and that simple jersey sparked RichRod's first public controversy.
If John Falk is the king of the lockerroom, how did he possibly let that happen? I'd love to hear his side of the story - otherwise we're leve speculating that:
Anyway, that's a story I'd love to hear ....
|4 weeks 3 days ago||What to do with last season???||
By the end of last season the team was fun to watch again, after being a trainwreck at the beginning. I didn't want to see the season end with that Wisconsin game because the development of MAAR, Dawkins, Irvin, and Doyle had been so much fun to see.
But I have to admit that I'm more nervous about this season than what I read from Brian and Ace. The problem is that none of us knows what to do with the first part of last season. These previews that tout the development of Walton, the star power of Levert, the progress of Irvin, camp Sanderson's effect on the bigs, or what Dawkins could become are not too far off from the exact things we said last year. All of the previews last year talked about a modest step back while we waited for the bigs to figure it out......only to have us go on a horrific losing streak while Walton and Levert were still playing portions of those games.
I'd like to believe that the progress we saw by the end of the season combined with the health of the starting back-court means we're once again a contender. But I do still expect some bumpy roads while we figure out just how good each of these guys really are and what their roles should be.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Alternate ending||
I don't see any real strategic decision that Harbaugh should have done differently at the end, especially given how good his punter has been all season. (Frankly, Hoke disagreeing with the decision even makes me more convinced it was correct.)
I also realize that you can't really practice these random scenarios to the Nth degree....especially in college.
But the one other thought I had was regarding a "safe pooch" scenario. As soon as you see that they have no returner, talk to the snapper and move the punter 5-7 yards closer to the LOS. Simplify the snap, just kick the ball any distance, etc. They would have no time to rush.
In this case, however, it was a dropped snap, which could happen even if it were a QB under center.
Any other crazy scenario is just that - crazy. Imagine if they snapped to Peppers and had two blockers follow him around as he ran back and forth to eat up 10 seconds. While fun to think about.....if he gets tackled with any time on the clock it is a disaster. The fact that there were 10 second instad of fewer and that a FG wins the game and doesn't tie forced Harbaugh's hand. If we were up three you run backwards for a safety and the game is over.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Eh.....remember who the refs are.||
I agree that it shouldn't work like you said, but I'm not convinced they would call it that way. There were two plays in the last 3 years or so where the refs did something with the clock at the end of the game that they shouldn't have. Given how awful this officiating crew was, it is impossible to know how they would handle it.
On a related "take advantage of the rules" idea, my buddy couldn't figure out how the Lions allowed the Bears to march down the field last week. He said he would have told his DBs to immediately tackle the WR after the snap. They could keep taking 10-yard holding penalties and eat the clock to nothing instead of giving up 25-35 yard passes or pass interference penalties.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Self reflection = blindness||
The MSU fan reaction to the game has made me sad. I realize that Michigan fans have their own stereotype of arrogance built over decades and many of our fan base continue to promote it. In that regard it is similar to Notre Dame. Both schools have nearly a thousand wins for a reason and grew to expect 9+ win seasons and nice bowls and nice rankings.....even when they probably shouldn't have. I get that perception of our fan base and go out of my way to avoid behaving that way (and the last 8 years have helped make that easy).
But I can't see how MSU fans don't realize when they fall into the same trap. I hated the little brother line from Mike Hart and how it was the touchstone for Dantonio's career, but they continue to demonstrate why it fits. They care more about screwing Michigan than the fact that they have an undefeated team poised for a championship run and have had a great half-dozen years and strong future trajectory. They should have left that game thanking whatever diety they pray to (probably the porcelin god) that their hopes are still in play. Instead they used it to taunt Michigan fans - Jemele Hill being the poster child for that behavior.
Sigh.....sometimes stereotypes exist because they are so accurate.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Great suggestions...||
All of those are great suggestions. Seeing some of the teams of yore would be fascinating. I'd be tempted to go back to Bo's first OSU game I think and live through that experience. I'd also like one more chance to go back and watch one of AC's vintage games. My grandparents started getting season tickets in the late 1970's and used to bring my cousin and I to one game a year when were were just a few years old. I don't have any real memories of those games and would love to relive them.
As far as changing history goes, would it be against the rules to do any of the following?
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Just bad at their job.....||
Even if you take out the actual impact on the game, what made these officials so frustrating was how bad they were at making calls. There were multiple occassions when one official would over-rule the guy who was closer to the play (Butt, PI, etc.). On top of that, there were NINE booth reviews and almost all of them were changed. Look at how many situations were just bad calls by one of the ump even if you ignore the jersey colors:
That's an officiating crew who is overwhelmed by the moment and doesn't have a strong chain of command to discuss plays.
What kills me is that it ALWAYS happens against MSU. Do we have any stories in a big OSU game of bad officiating or fluky plays? Other than the Crable/Smith borderline hit, no. But against MSU it has been going on for 25 years!
|5 weeks 2 days ago||#20 - Rudock Facemask||
You're right that the in stadium replay was more obvious about the facemask, but it was still somewhat hard to see given the pile of bodies on the field. But what kills me about that play is the inconsistency. Our team captain LB gets thrown out for a play that Cook probably barely felt after being thrown/blocked into him. But in this case Rudock gets the facemask, but watch the rest of that play. The MSU defender lands on his head with his forarm and then kicks his head as he gets up. On the replay in the stadium you can see Rudock's head get rattled twice and then he gets up and his helmet is half off.
If we care about safety, why aren't they flagging crap like this?
Speaking of inconsistency, I agree with the fact that Henry shouldn't have risked his belly flop regardless of the timing with the whistle and likely gets flagged most of the time for that. However, it comes back to consistency. The refs let Houma churn his legs for 10 seconds on the goal-line and in this case the MSU back is still moving and churning his legs. Why wouldn't UM players pile on until either he stops or the whistle is obvious? (Maybe without a belly flop however.)
|5 weeks 3 days ago||GIFs of the REFs||
In all seriousness I would love to see a GIF collection of all the bad officiating from this game. Even if I believe the refs erred in Sparty's favor overall, I thought it was just a horrific display of officiating in general and would love to see all of their idiocy documented in GIF format.
By my unofficial list (which is skewed by being at the game and not watching a replay), here are the questionable calls.
I realize that replay actually got some of these correct. That doesn't change the fact that the call on the field was screwed up to force a replay and completely break up the game into long periods of sitting around. The point is to show how inept the refs were and how they affected a good game between two good teams both ways.
I'm also not including the obvious un-called holding penalties because while gross screw-ups, I'm sure there could be a ton of missed or un-called holding throughout the game.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Love this question.....||
I love this question. For my answer, I would avoid the Defensive players because it is hard to say how much of the current resurgance is due to Harbaugh and how much is just the right mix of Mattison focusing on one position, Durkin having modern elements, and years of player recruiting and development from Hoke.
For offensive players, I like Henson, Dudley, and Koger a lot. All great thoughts. Here are my others:
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Point taken......but -||
While you've convinced me to not throw stones in glass houses so the sign is a bad idea, here's my response on your examples:
Maybe you can suggest Glasgow and his drinking issues.
Either way - point taken and topic avoided at all costs.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Random thoughts....||
I like the idea of mugshots of their various arrested players who were escorted from jail to the field.
If we want to do something positive (gasp!) we could put a picture of Dantonio, Izzo, Harbaugh, and Beilein and brag about having the best coaching talent in the country all within 60 miles of each other.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||NO "Little Brother" SIGNS!!!||
I could not agree more. I was uncomfortable when Mike Hart said it the first time, it grew to be the touchstone for the Dantonio era and the last several years of dominance, and it needs to die.
|7 weeks 21 hours ago||Fred Jackson......why the hate?||
I don't know why Brian rips Fred Jackson's recruiting. Look at all the NFL appearances by his recruits recently - Cox, Rawls, Fitz........ oh....... wait..........
|7 weeks 1 day ago||UFR Ideas for off-season||
Two thoughts on some potential UFR expansion ideas.
First, I love the idea of either a UFR record book (best/worst games by position) or a searchable UFR database. I get the impression that Brian has all of this information stored somewhere already, why not make a cool interactive feature out of it? And the record book would be a great way to compare and contrast. (Brian would probably argue that UFR has evolved over the years, but still cool.)
The other idea would be to have a fan vote in the off-season for one historical game for Brian to do a UFR on. I know it takes a ton of time and effort, but wouldn't it be fun to see some game from the past get the detailed treatment?
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Kinnel||
Here's why Kinnel played:
The only real question is what is wrong with Wayne Lyons to the point that he can't fill one of these roles. But I suspect that the loss of Stribling and briefly Hill combined with Cole meant they needed another athlete on special teams. LIkewise you had Isaac in the doghouse for punt teams.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Slight recalibration||
My expectations were right around the 7.5 wins since I couldn't decide between 7 and 8. After four weeks I think my expectations have lowered on most of our opponents and the BYU game raised my expectations for Michigan. I feel confident with 8-4 and I see a path to 9-3.
I'm not ready to jump into the 10-2 band-wagon yet, however. Just a few days ago we were fretting about Rudock and the inconsistencies against UNLV. I think there are enough good defenses on this schedule that we could end up with a Utah-like experience where some turnovers are able to off-set the strength of our defense. We also have to see how many tricks Harbaugh has up his sleeve in year one with an offense that still is proving itself at most positions.