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- NBA - Quality improves by allowing players to season longer
- NBA - Can take flyers on young players without the risk of having to stash them on the bench or pay them right away
- NCAA - Stars may stay longer if they need to develop or don't like the team who drafted them
- NCAA - More followers from NBA fans
- Players - Know their NBA status and can make an informed decision
- Compensation - I don't know how this works in the NHL or MLB, but if a team drafts you but keeps you in college for a year or two....then you blow out a knee - do you get any compensation? There should be some sort of minimum payout or insurance for that.
- Minor League - The NHL and MLB have larger rosters and stronger minor league systems as compared to the NBA. To implement this type of draft in the NBA there will need to be more rounds and they need to have something in place that allows some of those other picks to decide "I don't care if the Celtics don't need me - I'm coming to the league!" The good news is that it might help grow the NBDL or foster a relegation type of system with more teams if there are more draft picks. If the NBA can thrive in OKC, they can probably find a few more cities to support a team (Seattle, San Diego, Cincinnati, KC, etc.)
- NCAA idiots - For some reason there are some still clinging to the ancient definition of amaturism. This makes no sense when you consider that you're just adoping the same exact policy of the NHL or MLB. The remaining sticking point might be off-season things like Summer League or Training Camp for players still staying in college.
- Simpson needs to live up to his ratings and reputation. He reminds me much more of Burke than Walton ever has. If Simpson is good enough to demand >20 minutes and can lead the offense, it suddenly fixes a lot of issues. Walton can be the spot up shooter like he was as a freshman, all the guards can split the minutes without anyone playing epic minutes like this past season, and the offense has flexibility.
- Wagner needs to play like he did in small stretches as a starter - becoming something like a McGary Jr. His offensive skill and overall height/athleticism are unmatched on the roster. With a year of strength training and experience, the 1-2 punch of him and Donnal could be an asset for this team.
- Irvin and Robinson have to be the shooters they are supposed to be. If both shoot around 40% instead of what they did this past conference season the offense will run smoother.
- They need to find one back-up on the wing. Maybe it is Wilson or Watson if we're lucky, or maybe it is an incoming player. Beilein has had pretty decent luck picking up unknown players who immediately contribute with Douglas, Novak, Levert, Spike, Rahk, Dawkins, and even Robinson. Who is to say he can't unearth a 6'6" wing that can play 15 minutes per game?
- The defense finds a way to be mediocre. The coaching change probably helps and Wagner might help too.
- Chatman was supposed to step in and play 30 minutes at the 4 and was not good enough to trust for more than a handful of minutes. I'd argue against the comment in this post about him being the best wing defender. He was perhaps best at guarding true PF, but he couldn't hold up against any SF.
- Dawkins was a flyer recruit, but was expected to be the starting SF this year and couldn't hold that job or capitalize on his athleticism in any way.
- Doyle was supposed to be the starter at center after his good showing against the POY Kaminski last year.....and was essentially the emergency center by the end.
- Any sale of apparel or marketing material that use a player's likeness, name, jersey, etc. results in that player having access to a portion of that money.
- Players can more freely interact with professional teams and agents without loss of their amature status. (I'm thinking more like baseball and hockey than a total free-for-all)
- If a program chooses to do so (since not all Div-1 programs make money), they can establish a monetary fund for scholarship athletes. It can be based on status, seniority, playing time, academics, or whatever. That money is put into an investment account that grows while they are on scholarship. If they leave school in good standing that money is theirs to spend. During school they can borrow against it. The NCAA can impose some limits or regulations on its use or maximum.
- McMurtry (he wore it when I was old enough to start remembering games)
- Robinson is a great shooter
- We will be happy to have him for two more years
- He's not a good defender at all right now
- His shooting fell off drastically as the season went on
- We need to focus on recruiting defense and toughness only.
- We need to recruit more athletes
- We shouldn't recruit anyone skinny
- We should stay away from developmental prospects, especially from Europe
- Our incoming big men are already skinny projects (which is only 50% true at best)
- Why do we want to recruit another stretch-four since he will flame out anyway
- This guy isn't good enough to solve our problems....despite being a top 100 recruit
- We got blown out so many times. Too many games were ugly to watch against good teams and it felt like we were so far behind them at times.
- This team had no personality. The star (Levert) was hurt, the scrappy leader (Spike) was hurt, the unknown D3 player who made it rain (Robinson) cooled off, and the ball of energy big guy from a foriegn country (Wagner) didn't play enough. Walton and Irvin are solid players and good kids, but they didn't give the team personality or star power. Rahk is a fascinating player who has improved a lot, but he is the same way. There's no alpha dog on this team or fun spark plug even like last year with Spike.
- The taste of the recruiting issues was fresh in our memories. We missed out on two 5-star recruits at the last minute and one of them went to our main rival.
- Limit the total number of off-campus camps coaches can attend per year
- Require that any off-campus camp meet certain requirements for attendance by players, other coaches, locations, duration, scope, etc.
- Require schools to get permission for the camps
- Limit the distance away from campus to a certain amount - 500 miles?
- Limit the number of staff members from any one school that can be present
- Coaches can only attend XX off-campus camps per year.
- Coaches can only attend XX camps >100 miles from campus.
- High School students can only attend XX camps per season
- No more than XX coaches from one institution can attend an off-campus camp at one time
- Camps must be approved by the NCAA in advance for scope, attendance, location, etc.
PG & SG
I think they will be fine with a Walton/Rahk/Simpson trio here. They survived (barely) with just two guys most of the last two years and the starters will be seasoned upper classmen. If Walton/Rahk play about 30mpg you find 20mpg for Simpson and you're in good shape.
If an emergency comes up, you could find a few minutes for Watson or slide Irvin to the 2 like they did some this year. I wouldn't target this position at this point.
I really don't want to see Wilson play center anymore. I haven't seen anything in two years that suggest he is a good fit there or even wants to play there. He was recruited to play stretch-4 and that's how he sees his game. Keeping him in the center rotation stunts his growth. If you think he's a lost cause at PF, then let him be the third center I guess. Otherwise, try to see if he can earn minutes at the 4.
As for that third center position, I think you give those few minutes to Austin Davis. He's already as big (or bigger) than Wilson, it is his natural position, it gives you a year separation between Teske (RS), and if freshman Ricky Doyle can be a starter then I think freshman Austin Davis can play 5 mpg as the emergency center.
Irvin gives you flexibility since he can play both spots. And clearly we would be fine with Irvin/Robinson starting next year.
Chatman (and I guess Wilson) has a chance to step up and earn minutes. Ideally he improves enough to play ~15mpg at PF. Then you play Irvin/Robinson 30mpg each and a few minutes for Wilson or a new player. (I disagree that you list him as the back-up 3 in one scenario as that will never happen. If he is on the floor, they keep it simple at the 4 and play either Robinson or Irvin along side at the 3.)
I think the ideal situation would be a true ready-to-play stretch-4. I'm guessing that will be hard to find and Chatman is the best candidate for that. So instead, I think they should find an athletic 3-and-D guy who can play 15 minutes of pure energy - dunks, defense, rebounds, etc. Partner him with a shooter at SF and you're on to something. I'm picturing a guy like Larry Nance Jr, who was raw at first but a solid athlete who learned offense later on.
- Traylor/Taylor - Part of the infamous Mateen Cleaves car accident that sparked part of the NCAA investigation.
- Ward - Overall #1 player who was ravaged by injuries, never found a role in Fisher's "offensive system" and ended up being just-a-guy.
- Albert White - Problems from early in his career, transferred unhappily early on.
- Willie Mitchel - Never found a role, played poorly, transferred to UAB.
- Bullock - The peak of the scandal in that he arrived years later, came from a well-off family in Maryland, and had no pre-existing relationship with Martin. Took money for sure, was the last one that the NCAA used to inact the sanctions since the statute of limitations hadn't run out. Pretty good NCAA player, not stellar.
- B. Crawford - Never did anything on the court, left after two years.
- Gaines - Total mess in his brief career, left program.
- J. Crawford - Amazing talent who arrived under some cloud of scandal, got booted by the NCAA for most of the season, left early.
- McGary struggled with injuries during his two years on campus.
- McGary probably (in my opinion) was going to come back for his junior year if not for the stupid NCAA suspension looming.
- Spike played hurt as a junior and missed his senior season.
- Caris missed large parts of his junior and senior years.
|1 week 2 days ago||One more fix.....||
My single least favorite play in basketball that isn't mentioned on your list is the "anticipated and-1" call that so many refs make. This happens when a guy is on a 1-on-1 fast break and the defender does some token amount of defense to prevent a basket. It doesn't matter if the defender breaths on the guy - the ref is blowing the whistle. In my opinion, the number of and-1 calls should be reduced overall.
For the life of me I cannot understand why Michigan doesn't get any calls around the hoop. How have we produced so many NBA guard/wing types and yet we are at the bottom of the national list for foul calls?
|1 week 2 days ago||The draft rule....||
It boggles the mind why the NBA hasn't worked with the NCAA on a draft method similar to the NHL or even MLB. It really seems like it benefits all parties:
I think there are a couple of obstacles to overcome:
|1 week 2 days ago||Traveling - NBA vs NCAA||
My biggest issue with Traveling at this point is how it is completely different in the NCAA versus the NBA. In the NCAA if you even do a good pump fake and blow by someone there's a ref waiting to call you for traveling because it might have LOOKED like it. In the NBA you can take 4-5 steps and it won't even get called. I would like a happy medium where they don't call it so tightly in the NCAA but actually call it in the NBA.....
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Depth on OKC||
Not sure what you're getting at. OKC has Adams, Ibaka, Kanter, Mohammed, and Collison all fighting for the same minutes that McGary would play. That is a 3-deep roster at the two big positions on the floor when most teams probably rotate 4 guys at those spots.
I think Mitch probably is lacking in some areas to be a major contributor at the NBA level, he's clearly been plagued with some off-the-court challenges during his career, and the other fact is that he got drafted by the wrong team in terms of available playing time. A lot of teams could use a high energy guy that could come off the bench at the 4 or 5 position....just not OKC.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||The recipe for success in 2016/2017....||
Here's what I think we need to see to feel good about this upcoming year:
Do any of those things seem far fetched on paper? Not really. Having all 5 of them pan out seems unlikely, but they might only need a couple of them to. I think the expectation next year is "right side of the bubble", which isn't ideal but is a pretty solid goal for this team and leaves them poised for a run.
I will agree that the pressure then falls on Beilein to reload/retool for the following season.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||General thoughts....||
It saddens me that somehow the basketball fans on this stie have now become 100% polarized. You either hate everything with the program to the point where you want Beilein gone and don't think this core group can win without 5-stars.....OR.....you feel the need to go above and beyond your defense of what is clearly a solid but limited core group of players. I don't like that everyone ends up on one end of the spectrum, especially when the truth lies somewhere in between.
The fact is that Michigan won a lot of games last year, made the tournament, and hung tough against a higher seed despite losing their two seniors, who happened to be the best player and fifth best player on the team. Yes, Michigan was clearly inferior to the best teams in the country and struggled for long stretches at both ends of the court. But they weren't the tire fire that some imply.
Now we have a lot of fans running for the hills because of all the depatures. The fact is, the guys listed in this post were probably the biggest examples of where the program has stalled the last two years (along with Wilson).
If you want to complain about the state of the program, how about the fact that these three transfers were expected to all be starters or solid rotation players and all were glued to the bench by the end of the year. Their departure robs us of depth and whatever future potential they had (versus whoever takes those spots), but it doesn't rob us of actual contributors.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Intelligent pay||
I do not support the idea that we should aim a portion of the money cannon at the players and deregulate the financial aspects of paying players. Hell, even professional sports leagues regulate salaries and payment to players.
However, there has to be an intelligent way to funnel some of the vast millions to players such that paying a couple hundred dollars isn't going to sway their choice of college or whether they can eat dinner that night. Here are some simple ideas that could be pursued further:
I still believe there needs to be rules and limits established rather than a wild-west situation where some schools will pay every five star recruit a bunch of money and others go a different route. But something has to change to end the draconian situation we're in now.
Let's face it, these Ole Miss players probably took more money under Freeze than the Michgan basketball players did under Fischer. And we got vacated wins, banners removed, post-season bans, etc.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||The #1 jersey all-time greats....||
First, some back story. My grandparents got season tickets in the early 1970s and my family still has them all these years later. They started bringing me to games when I could barely walk, which was during Anthony Carter's final season. My cousin and I were the same age and they would bring us to games in our toddler #1 jerseys and we loved AC. Those happen to be my initials and my cousin's first name is Anthony. I still wear a #1 jersey to games today and I intentionally don't want a name on the back because I think the jersey is bigger than any individual great player who has worn it - even more so than the other legacy jerseys.
I've been attending games ever since and graduated from Michigan in 1997 - right after the national championship. A few years ago my younger brother was working at an event with some former players. He got Anthony Carter and Braylon Edwards to both sign the same football. It sits in my Michigan themed basement in a place of honor on the mantle above the TV.
My ideal scenario would be to find a way to get other wearers of the #1 jersey to sign it also. In order, I'd like to get:
In all seriousness, if anyone on the board knows of a way to get any of those autographs, I would greatly appreciate the suggestion.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Potential||
I think you can slice the numbers any way you want, everyone will agree on the following:
What we should think about it potential and expectations. Before the season a lot of people felt like he'd be another Matt Vogrich - someone who was a good shooter when unguarded but never found more than a small role. Instead, Robinson played a ton of minutes and overall had a great season.
The question we need to answer is what we should expect from him in the future. Everyone hoped that Irvin could turn his very limited sample size of "just a shooter" data from his freshman year into a big role. In some ways he did improve a ton, in others he hasn't. So what can Robinson do as he ages?
I'm of the opinion that a great shooter is always going to have a role and should thrive under Beilein. I'm not worried about Robinson's late season struggles or his potential. What will make or break this team is the ability to find an offensive leader that facilitates what Beilein wants to do. Teams like Purdue or others can put their best wing on Robinson because he was the guy that could potentially get hot and go for 25+. My fear is that Irvin and Walton are who they are and that the offense will too often get bogged down. The hope has to be that some combination of Simpson, Rahk, and Wagner can balance the offense and create match-up issues that open up things for guys like Robinson. I suspect Robinson will add more to his game, but probably not a ton.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||AAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH||
Sometimes these comments just drive me nuts! I scrolled through them on this post and here's what I saw:
What do you people want!?!?! Besides a bunch of 5-stars just showing up at Michigan, I'm confused as to what we want.
Is this guy the answer? I'm not sure. He's interesting because of his size, athleticism, and brother.....but he's also skinny and could end up being DJ Wilson 2.0 (that's a bad thing so far).
Frankly, I'd take a long look at him since he has some positional flexibility, could blow up into a star, and most importantly - Michigan will be without an NBA legacy on the roster next year for the first time since Jordan Dumars and THJ joined the team. Dumars, Hardaway, Robinson, Horford, and Dawkins are all gone now. Doesn't Shawn Kemp have a son that's worth signing?
|14 weeks 1 day ago||Durkin leaving isn't as scary as Baxter||
I think Durkin is getting a little too much grief, but I think Brown will be a relatively seemless transition. The players are essentially the same, the coaching staff is essentially the same, and Brown has a good track record.
What worries me more is the loss of Baxter. He took our special teams out of the dark ages of dispair into something interesting (despite a couple of blunders). While special teams are not as critical as defense, I'm worried about the drop off.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||Thank you!||
Excellent post! Even before the season my expectations were "right side of the bubble" with this team based on the issues at center, unknown contributions from new guys, and unknown health recovery from several players. So they probably were closer to the bubble than I thought, but still "met" expectations.
I think what magnified the negative opinion of this team besides the lack of tournament success was the following:
I think Beilein's seat got a little warmer this year, but I'm not worried. I also question anyone who thinks Michigan really had some glory years. The late 80s were it I suppose. You can count the 3 years of the Fab Five if you want.....but only if you ignore everything else that swirled around them and the stain of the following recruiting classes.
I also think you're seeing Beilein respond - recruiting more players than scholarships to mitigate early departures, shuffling coaches, etc.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Hack & Gardner||
On your comments regarding Hackenberg, I think that's what I was trying to say. BOB saw the train of sanctions and missed scholarships coming and bolted. I do think he would have been more progressive and creative with how to protect Hack and find ways to use his talents, but I don't think it would have made a ton of difference with that OL and Hack's inaccuracy.
As for Gardner, maybe the OL did him in also and we never saw what he could have been. I do think that there were clearly things that Gardner was good at and I don't think Borges/Hoke ever knew how to take advantage of those. I will disagree with your RichRod comment slightly. I wasn't arguing that RichRod would have made Gardner a better NFL prospect, but I do think Gardner would have lit up scoreboards under his system. He would have used his legs far more and I think RichRod's system would create more simple reads for him in the passing game. Borges had a complex passing system that favored under-center and deeper routes. Your Tate example sort of shows my point - he was a solid QB under RichRod despite having far less raw talent than Gardner with both his legs and arm.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||The Camp Debate....||
What pisses me off the most about the NCAA vote on the camps is the haste with which they did it. This is the same outfit that has yet to figure out what to do with UNC and took eons to rule on the Fab Five, yet they can ban camps in a matter of weeks?
The problem was that it was an all-or-nothing vote and I'm not even sure the conferences truly talked it through with all of their coaches. There are literally countless ways they could have regulated camps to limit any perceived carpet bombing from Harbaugh without ruining it completely.
I could go on forever.
Likewise, it feels like this was conference commissioners making the decision and not the actual member schools. Nor were they given any counter proposals to consider. It was "all or nothing, decide right now."
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Hackenberg.....Henne, Gardner, or other?||
The question with Hackenberg is how much of his issue stems from Franklin's lousy coaching. This morning on ESPN radio they had Jaws on and he talked about the QBs he would take in the first round....which did not include Hackenberg. He said that once a QBs eyes start dropping to the pass rush and he isn't comfortable in the pocket, it is hard to recover. The immediate response from the hosts was "what would have happened if Bill O'Brien stayed?"
The other side of that debate is that Hackenberg's promising freshman season was boosted by having the best WR in the conference on his team and having him bail his QB out time after time. Losing Robinson, seeing the OL turn to dust, and changing to a worse coach all aligned with Hackenberg's slide toward mediocrity. Maybe a good NFL coach could turn him into something. Henne was never as great as he was with Braylon but still decent and has hung around the NFL forever. Gardner was never the same after bad coaching and a bad OL ruined him.
Let's all shed another tear for poor damn Gardner - who could have been a star under RichRod's scheme and probably reached his maximum potential under Harbaugh....but was stuck with Hoke's staff.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Killing a fly with a bazooka||
What is so frustrating about this ruling is that it was so hasty and made with black-and-white terms. They used a bazooka to kill a fly.
Some other options that are both reasonable and worth a discussion:
You could go on and on. I agree somewhat with the take over on TTB that some sort of regulation is needed and that Harbaugh's carpet bombing of the south with these summer camps was probably excessive, but killing them completely is just stupid.
|15 weeks 3 days ago||Some disagreements....||
Overall I agree with most of what you wrote. I love Spike, but there isn't a good fit for him or the program right now (unless there's more attrition). Here are some comments compared to yours:
|15 weeks 3 days ago||Please no shady 28||
I don't see how we sign another huge class. Frankly, if we do then we are sliding closer to Ole Miss territory. I am glad Harbaugh is pushing boundaries and we clearly needed his first full class to be huge.
But next year? Getting to >23 will mean some sketchy situations play out. As it is, we used to complain about the abnormal number of medical scholarships Alabama used. How many did we use since Harbaugh came in relative to the previous 10 years?
|15 weeks 5 days ago||OL Thoughts....||
You said that O'Korn got the worst OL.....but yet he had three starters. Is that a concern?
As for Braden, I'm pretty sure he played OT for the game and seemed decent.
I thought Runyan and Ulizio looked solid considering they've never played before. While the depth is shaky, Cole's positional flexibility and the idea that Braden could handle OT allows them to shuffle some things if anyone from the Dawson, Newsome, Kugler, Runyan, Ulizio group does well.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Agree....and add Wilson||
The fact that Beilein targeted two top 100 players to finally have a true PF who isn't a 6'6" or 6'4" SF doing their best only to have both be useless for their first two years has really hurt the program. They needed one of those guys to deserve 20 mpg and both still have a long way to go.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Coaching + Recruiting||
My point was not that guys like Taylor, Traylor, or Bullock were not very talented. They were. My point was that I watched those guys, and many others of that era, scuffle on the court far more than their talent should have allowed. I was at Michigan sitting in the first row from 1994-1997 and even knew a couple of the players personally during that era. And yet we got a lot of first round exits and NIT appearances for all of that talent that was essentially paid for.
Then Ellerbe recruited a lot of guys who were talented but troubled. Those guys couldn't stay on the court for other reasons and often left the program. For about a 7 year period we had an insanely low success rate at getting the roster to stay in tact for 3 let alone 4 years. And during that time we barely registered as a national story after Jalen and Juwan left.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I was as frustrated with that era of players as I am with some of hte issues the past two years. It takes good recruiting AND good coaching to build a national power. For a 2-3 year period Beilein had both and so did Fisher. Let's see how Beilein responds now that the pressure is on. But let's not assume that hiring some coach willing to play dirty in recruiting is the answer.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Irvin expctations||
I touched on Walton above and now I'd like to talk about Irvin. First of all, people forget that he started from so much further behind than some of the names that he was compared to above. As a freshman he saw the court less often and was very one-dimensional. From that point of view he has grown a ton and brings a lot to this team no matter what the KenPom stats say.
The reason everyone is so frustrated with his turnover rate and finishing ability (both of which I agree with) is because the team NEEDS him to be one of the stars. The fact is that he does not finish well around the rim as he isn't particularly athletic - he's just average. He had a lot of shots blocked or missed near the hoop considering the level of difficulty and the team's need for him to finish those. He rarely dunks. He's probably never finished an alley oop (think about that relative to Stauskas, GR3, and THJ). Likewise, his handle is always scary....despite how much it has improved.
I don't think Ace is saying that Irvin's stats are particularly out of line for how far he's come, for being a solid contributor on a good team, or playing forward. The issue is that this team needs him to be more than that - and when he isn't, it is more obvious. Ideally he is playing as the #2 or #3 best player on a team where he plays SF and can take a ton of jump shots. Instead he's playing a weird mix of SG and PF for a team that needs him to create offense.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Walton expectations||
I may be suffering from recency bias, but I have always felt that you took a limited amount of data from Walton's freshman year and extrapolated it to expectations that were perhaps too optimistic. I don't have access to KenPom stats, but my memory of his freshman year was that he was a reliable role player who actually didn't do a lot of PG things within the offense. I know he shot well from outside and had a reasonable A/T ratio.
But I also remember that he rarely was involved with the ball-screen staple of the offense as that fell to Stauskas. I remember him mostly parked in the corner looking for threes or doing a good job on the fast break. He did have that great MSU game.
The issue is that when his role and importance expanded he never developed those other skills. And when called on to attack the rim as a primary playmaker he just doesn't seem to have that skill in his arsenal (not that any Michigan PG ever can get a call going to the hoop from the refs). On top of that, he's had to play with bigs who haven't been very good at running the ball screen or starting a fast break. In fact, as a primary rebounding threat he's often unable to start much of a fast break because he's around the hoop. Finally, even if he runs the break with the team the last two years he has FAR WORSE finishers around him than he did with Stauskas, Robinson, Morgan, and McGary.
I love Walton as a player, but not as a star. He doesn't create for his teammates like Morris and he doesn't generate his own offense like Burke or Stauskas. He also was forced to play an insane amount of minutes this year and often guard the opposing team's best player.
But is my expectation calibration flawed compared to yours?
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Rankings vs. Reality||
For a minute let's set aside the Fab Five scandal since everyone knows that Webber took some large amount of money (perhaps not as much as reported, but still a lot) and that the others got some sort of perks along the way. Let's look at the other names:
While I'm critical of Beilein's recent recruiting and praise his earlier recruiting and development, I don't like the insinuation that we were doing something right in the gool 'ol days. Other than the Fab Five, none of these teams starting with Fisher's era amounted to anything other than a BTT title and NIT title.
In fact, most of the players on the list failed to live up to personal expectations and far too many left under negative terms. About the only player that I would cite as a GOOD example after the Fab Five would be Lavell Blanchard.
Look at OSU - they had the top B10 class last year and they're all gone early. MSU will be an interesting case study next year.
Star Rankings aren't necessarily the answer in basketball.
|16 weeks 3 days ago||Misconceptions....||
I am glad that someone dispelled the Pittsnoggle myth. Michigan's offense works best with someone who can run the ball screen game and finish around the rim. Doyle is gone because he couldn't. Everyone is ready to have Wagner pass Donnal because he also struggles with that. Do the simple big man stuff, shooting jumpers is a bonus.
Also, I would like to stop referring to Camp Sanderson as some awesome thing. He does his job, but isn't doing anything special no matter how many before/after pics we see. Michigan was probably last in the conference in dunks, was horrible at finishing around the rim, still slow on D, and most of the players are still basically the same physique they have always been. Modest improvements are expected, nothing more.
Finally, I don't want to hear another round of "Walton and/or Irvin will be so much better once they are fully healthy" prediction. They are solid players who we will count on, but they aren't stars and a little bit of health isn't going to change that.
|16 weeks 4 days ago||Rotation - Beilein likes 8 men||
Here's the likely rotation for meaningful minutes:
Anyone not on that list will get the occassional chance to play, but there won't be a lot of minutes to go around.
|16 weeks 4 days ago||Chatman & Wilson||
I don't want anyone to leave the team - Spike, Doyle, etc. I like these guys despite the struggles the past two seasons and would like to see them finish their careers at Michigan. There are a lot of college players that have a certain set of skills and may take more time to develop.
However, I remain extremely skeptical that Chatman and Wilson will find meaningful roles on this team. For the second straight year there are fans clinging to a couple of 5-minute moments from Chatman as reason for hope. I'd like to believe......but I saw this same story the first time around with WIllie Mitchell. Chatman would fill a nice role as a true PF against bigger teams, but his game is still limited in that he doesn't do any one thing particularly well. (Beilein would say he's a great passer, but we don't run offense through the PF as a passer.)
Wilson I think is going to have a much harder time finding a role because I'm not sure he even knows what he's good at. He plays like he thinks he's a small forward, his skill set is more of a zone defense center, and Michigan wants him to be a stretch 4.
I hope both guys stay because we could use some actual PF sized players so Irvin doesn't have to play out of position. But I struggle to see either guy deserving enough minutes to displace Irvin, Robinson, or Dawkins.
|16 weeks 4 days ago||Redshirt was the plan.||
When he signed the plan was for him to redshirt because McGary, Horford, and Donnal ahead of him. Then two guys left and we were forced to put Doyle and Donnal out there as freshmen.
I do think that Austin Davis is nearly a clone of Doyle, which mitigates his loss somewhat. I am curious what Chatman and Wilson decide to do now.
|16 weeks 4 days ago||What could have been.....||
These guys were awesome and don't forget the conference championship they won as well.
What always strikes me about their success was just how much more it could have been. I'm not going to pretend that Stauskas and GR3 would have stayed longer. But I do sometimes curse a few dieties when I think about this:
Injuries and dumb luck happen.....but that's a lot piled on those guys in just a short period of time. Sigh.....best to enjoy the past than think about hypotheticals.
(Though I will say that it is better than when I used to think of hypotheticals with the Fisher/Ellerbe classes that could never make it 4 years either......for a variety of other reasons.)
|18 weeks 5 days ago||No - not at all. (The Wilson/Chatman issue)||
I don't think Beilein really WANTS to play an undersized PF on the floor at all. I think he'd like to plug someone like DeShawn Sims or Lavall Blanchard in there so they can still shoot but also have the height and willingness to defend and rebound bigger guys. The issue is that it is pretty hard to find big guys who are still talented shooters to stretch the floor. You won't see a Carter (MD) or Swanigan (PU) at PF....but it doesn't have to be Novak, GR3, or Irvin.
In fact, there's clear evidence that Beilein has been trying to address this problem. Immediately after the NBA attrition started he went out and recruited 5-star Chatman and 4-star Wilson to play the PF spot for this team. The plan last year was for his stud freshman to come in and play significant minutes at the PF spot - not for Irvin/Dawkins to play the forwards the entire time.
The issue is that neither Chatman or Wilson have justified playing them more than a handful of minutes per game.