if you seek an image of the most Wisconsin OL ever, enter here
|1 day 10 hours ago||Wasn't that Washington St,||
Wasn't that Washington St, not Oregon State? Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
EDIT: Nevermind, I was remembering it wrong.
|2 days 1 hour ago||If after a couple years, it's||
If after a couple years, it's clear this kid isn't going to be the starting QB, we need to move him to TE a la Jay Reimersma. Talk about a huge, athletic dude.
|4 days 4 hours ago||Quite small buyout.||
Quite small buyout.
|4 days 7 hours ago||Pointless destruction is not||
Pointless destruction is not common among Michigan fraternities.
|4 days 7 hours ago||OccaM is right. No one is||
OccaM is right. No one is defending what these guys did. The point is, most houses would never do this shit, and many of the houses do a lot more good than bad.
We had guys in our house that were dick heads. We also had guys that read to elementary schoolers, raised money for various charities, went on mission trips and like half our house did Dance Marathon every year. I know the bad stuff makes the news, but that's not how the Greek System should be viewed.
|4 days 7 hours ago||It's also likely that the||
It's also likely that the "good apples" just weren't around when this was going on. When my fraternity went on trips, it's not like every single thing is done as a group. Hell, 80% of the house might have been skiing or sleeping when this happened.
|4 days 7 hours ago||Normal damage doesn't mean it||
Normal damage doesn't mean it happens all the time. He means it's the type of damage that happens sometimes, the customer gets the bill, pays it, and moves on. The fraternity may have even budgeted for that.
Point is, if you bring 100 college guys anywhere for a weekend, do a thousand (or even a few thousand) worth of damage and pay it, that's not news-worthy.
|4 days 8 hours ago||Exactly. When one person does||
Exactly. When one person does a grand of damage, it's a lot. When a grand of damage is done by 100 guys, which is somewhere between 25 and 50 hotel rooms, that's not exactly excessive.
|4 days 8 hours ago||Yeah - and it's a long||
Yeah - and it's a long process. I'm a class of '06 SigEp and we did a ton to get back to prominence and although we did a lot over the 4 years I was there, it took a lot more than that.
|4 days 8 hours ago||Yes. They were booted around||
Yes. They were booted around 2003 for hazing stuff. I'm a SigEp and I was in college at that time and we lived in the Sigma Chi house from 2004-2010 or so when we were between permanent housing.
|1 week 3 days ago||At a place as nice as that,||
At a place as nice as that, $400 for four people isn't bad without wine. Entrees are 60 bucks or so, add an appetizer or soup and a side of dessert at 15 per and you're looking at 100 per person without getting alcohol or going nuts with food.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||John Kelly also has a||
John Kelly also has a Tennessee offer - a place he's likely to end up. He has enough good options that I'd be happy taking him.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Newsome is a tackle all the||
Newsome is a tackle all the way, and Runyan could likely play either. I think Moorman falls into that same category as Runyan.
Is our current depth skewed toward guards? Our starting tackles this past fall were a frosh and a soph, with their backups being Magnuson and Dawson, two more sophomores. JBB and LTT were behind them.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||We should start getting used||
We should start getting used to that.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||I initially read that tweet||
I initially read that tweet as "I've confirmed Shannon Turley is a man" which answered a question I had.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Thanks. I was almost there.||
Thanks. I was almost there.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||I have not yet heard mention||
I have not yet heard mention of this at all.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||And I think Brian Thompson||
And I think Brian Thompson (FB/TE) went to Nouvel.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||And his HS teammate - running||
And his HS teammate - running back last name Jackson, first name I can't remember. Maybe also started with a J?
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I think we're splitting hairs||
I think we're splitting hairs here.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I think Joe Bolden and||
I think Joe Bolden and Ojemudia would fill that roll.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Ross and Morgan would be the||
Ross and Morgan would be the ILBs with Bolden and Ojemudia as the OLBs. Gedeon would be our next ILB off the bench and I bet McCray or possibly Lawrence Marshall would be next at OLB.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Looking at Alabama's Depth||
Looking at Alabama's Depth Chart on Rivals, their starting DEs are 265 (DJ Pettway) and 272 (Johnathan Allen). Their NT is 320, which duh. And if we ran a 3-4, one DE would be the guys who play 3-tech for us right now - Wormley, Henry or Godin (295, 293 and 286). So if we had a hypothetical starting 3-man front of Taco - Pipkins - Wormley, they would be 275 - 306 - 295. That's not huge, but that's about as big as any 3-man front being played in college football right now.
For fun, their backups would look something like Poggi - Glasgow - Henry which would be 270 - 296 - 293. Not much drop off outside of Glasgow, but Glasgow was a solid NT last year and he could put on 10lbs if the coaches asked him to. And is Glasgow can't cut it (unlikely) you have Mone at 312.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I mean there's no downside||
I mean there's no downside for 2015. Might there be downside for 2016? I suppose, but QBs still develop and advance without starting football games. I know people are sick of using OSU QBs as examples, but Cardale Jones was quite prepared for the Big Ten championship game despite having never started a game before. Look at the last few MSU QBs (minus Maxwell who just wasn't good) - Cousins picked right up where Hoyer left off and Connor Cook did the same. And if that's the position that Shane, Speight or Malzone are in come 2016, they'll still have the entire offseason and spring to prepare. If that's not enough, then that guy isn't ready.
Harbaugh is not just going to coach whoever is the starter. He's going to coach and develop all of them, and they'll be ready. You want the best possible player out there playing QB for you, and you worry about next year, next year.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Based on what, exactly?||
Based on what, exactly?
|3 weeks 3 days ago||We wouldn't save a||
We wouldn't save a scholarship for him, it would only be if we had one available come April. No downside.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I find it funny that a year||
I find it funny that a year ago, this board was licking their chops for a back-up center from Alabama to transfer, but when a back up QB is an option, no one wants the guy. Just odd.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||No one is advocating turning||
No one is advocating turning Hogan away to take Driskel. But if Hogan isn't an option, isn't someone better than no one? He's not a star, for sure. But maybe he has had awful QB coaching, it's not like Florida's offense has been good in any facet. And he has a lot more experience than any of our guys.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Yes, that's what we said. We||
Yes, that's what we said. We said Harbaugh having the most twitter followers is the only thing we want to win. That's all. Cancel the season. You understand us correctly.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I just don't see why "taking||
I just don't see why "taking your lumps" is a preferred option. I would rather take as few lumps as possible, right?
This will not impede our progress moving forward at all. But it might make 2015 more fun. Or he'll sit the bench, in which case no harm, no foul. I see literally no down side to taking Driskel, yet everyone is against it.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Because the options we have||
Because the options we have are so much better? Tell me, which QB on our roster has proven more than Driskel has?
If our only hope is that a terrible option becomes a good option, then isn't it better to have 4 terrible options than 3?
|3 weeks 3 days ago||But in honesty - are we||
But in honesty - are we better off taking our chances with Morris, or with Morris and Driskel?
In which case do you have a better chance at winning the raffle - with one ticket or two?
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I agree that Malzone wouldn't||
I agree that Malzone wouldn't care about this. The only way this would affect Malzone at all is if Malzone is better than Shane and Speight and not better than Driskel. And if that's the case, then we better fucking get Driskel.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||This is exactly right. It||
This is exactly right. It will have no impact on recruiting at all. Harbaugh won't save a spot for Hogan in case he might come, but it's almost certain that between signing day and summer, one scholarship will open up. And he'll be off the books by the next recruiting cycle.
Hell, if Hogan isn't coming, why not take Driskel? Worst case scenario he sits on our bench for a year. He might come in and do well in a different system, or he might just be our clear #2 option if our starter gets hurt.
Is it possible Driskel is better than all of our QBs? Certainly. Is it likely he's better than all of them except Shane? Certainly. Bringing in a kid for one year to be a solid back up isn't a bad idea.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I agree with that 100%. I||
I agree with that 100%. I was only addressing the point a poster made above that we should run the 3-4 because we have so much LB depth.
This sort of things happens all the time here. Someone will say " we should do A because B" and then when someone refutes B, it seems like he's saying we shouldn't do A.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||At 12:42 Eastern, he's up to||
At 12:42 Eastern, he's up to 104,400. Not bad.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||It is pretty good.||
It is pretty good.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I don't know why people don't||
I don't know why people don't actually like you, but the reasons people tend to spew are all pretty dumb. "What do you know, aren't you like a middle school football coach or something? As an assistant IT manager, I know way more than you." That seems to be the typical dig.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Certainly - but I'm looking||
Certainly - but I'm looking at our roster in 2016. We lose a lot of guys who would fall into that LB/WDE who would all be LBs in a 3-2 system, and we currently don't have a single LB or DE committed in the 2015 recruiting class. I'm sure we'll get one or two, but that's not a sure thing yet and even if we do it won't bolster the number a whole lot.
In 2016, we'd have Marshall - Gedeon - Winovich - McCray as our starters, which isn't bad. But then what? Gant, Furbush, Wangler and youth. This is before injuries and who knows if some of those guys are even any good.
I'm not saying it's doomed from the get go necessarily, and if we can sign a good WDE and LB yet in this class I'll change my tune. 3-4 or 4-3, we're still in need of some DE help.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I'm not sure we have all that||
I'm not sure we have all that much LB depth. We have guys this year, but we're losing 4 of them after this fall.
That said, guys like Lawrence Marshall would play OLB in a 3-4 so that could rectify that a bit.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||3 of the guys you listed for||
3 of the guys you listed for MSU were playing in the NFL this year, so I don't think they "returned" as you say (Treadwell, Lewis and France). And one is a punter, which, come on.
I'm not saying we have that either, but if you're going to make an argument, at least make it accurate.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I'm much more in favor od||
I'm much more in favor od what's good for "football" or the "Pac-12." Uncertainty or mediocrity at UCLA benefits MIchigan greatly. We just hired a HC and OC who have been coaching in CA for a decade and that will be a target state for us (as it always has been, to some extent). The fewer other powers going after those guys, the better.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||So you're saying he's scared||
So you're saying he's scared of Harbaugh?
|3 weeks 4 days ago||The Pac-12 has potential, but||
The Pac-12 has potential, but they are typically pretty top-heavy (not that the Big Ten isn't). Oregon is obviously very good as so is UCLA, and the Arizona schools had break out seasons but - will Mora stay in college? Can Shaw keep Stanford up, they seem to be trending back down. Will Sark get USC back to elite? Will Todd Graham stay in Tempe once SEC spots open up? Will Washington ever be good again?
Lots of questions for them?
|3 weeks 4 days ago||None of our RBs have done||
None of our RBs have done squat? None of them had a ton of yards individually because of injuries and parity among them, but Drake Johnson averaged 6.0 ypc for the season, Green averaged 5.7 and DeVeon Smith, who I believe is the worst of those three, still averaged 4.8 ypc. As a trio, they ran for 1,351 yards on 5.4 ypc and scored 13 TDs. On a team with an average OL who was often playing from behind, that's very good. Despite not being "speed" guys, Smith and Green both had runs of over 60 yards.
Those guys are all back and we're adding Ty Isaac. RB is not a concern of mine for 2015.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I will agree that losing DG||
I will agree that losing DG will not be a big loss. Do I think he was our best option at QB in 2014? Yes, but he was also the only one who had any real experience and had taken many first team reps. But we will have 4 QBs competing in the spring for the starting job and whoever gets it will be a much better player than they were a year ago. So if that player is Shane Morris, we won't be getting 2014 Shane Morris who was predominantly a back up, we'll get a junior Shane Morris with lots of first team reps under his belt. If it's someone else, than it will be someone better than junior year Shane Morris.
I don't think it will be a huge step up, but saying the position will be "demonstrably worse" is nuts. I think the first few games will be tough as they get their feet wet, but that was the case with DG this year too (against ND and Utah he had 0 TDs, 5 INTs).
I think the QB position will be helped by an OL that will give him more time, a run game that will open up more options and I think the WR group will be a wash (sub in Brian Cole for Funchess, Harris and Ways coming off redshirts and everyone else a year older).
|3 weeks 5 days ago||My 2 cents: I'd like Manning||
My 2 cents: I'd like Manning as the RB coach. He's a smart, young coach who needs to be kept on the staff and I think he can handle the RBs no problem.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Exactly. Our other QBs were||
Exactly. Our other QBs were clearly better when given the opportunity. In case it's not clear, this is intended to be sarcastic and condescending.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Lloyd Carr was a great coach||
Lloyd Carr was a great coach and a better man. He brought a lot of wins to Michigan as well. Fuck YOU for saying that.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||"Hey Mike, it's me, Coach||
"Hey Mike, it's me, Coach Harbaugh. There's going to be an historic press conference at Schembechler Hall tomorrow, and I thought you might want to come check it out. Should be exciting. Maybe you could sit by me at the basketball game afterward? We could talk about Frank Gore and Toby Gerhardt and how I think you're a lot like them. Are you busy?"
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Was their offense really a||
Was their offense really a disaster? They were bottom half of the NFL in points scored, but not too far away from being smack dab in the middle. They also had 4 games against Arizona and Seattle, two of the best defenses in the league, and another against KC. They only had two games where they were held to single digits (both against the Seahawks) and 5 games where they scored 26+. How many offensive injuries did they have?
They didn't have a dominant offense this year, I agree. But to say they were an offensive disaster is just ridiculous. Roman is at least a middle of the road NFL OC, which makes him one of the best fucking offensive coordinators in all of college football.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||It sounds more like it just||
It sounds more like it just wasn't a culture match for you. Not everyone feels that hunting and fishing is necessary for raising kids. To others it may be hiking and surfing or playing soccer year-round. None of the things you've mentioned have much to do with raising kids.
I'm not going to knock growing up MI because I did it and loved it. And there are things MI offers that CA doesn't, but the opposite is still the case. I felt I was active as a kid, but my kids are already more active than I was because the weather never permits it. It's just a difference in perspective, but you can't just say unequivocally that one is better than the other.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I get what you're saying -||
I get what you're saying - but not everyone in the Bay Area lives SF and not everyone in SoCal lives in West LA. Sure, some areas are crazy expensive. But not every suburb is like that. You can find lots of nice areas to raise kids without paying out your ass for real estate.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||It sounds like you worked in||
It sounds like you worked in some pretty bad areas, that no doubt exist. But just like you can't judge all of Michigan by inner-city Detroit, you can't judge all of CA by South Central. There isn't any gang activity where most of us are raising our kids.
CA is far from perfect. But there are plenty of areas that are great for raising kids - just like every other state in the country. So I'm not sure I buy your argument. You'll have to do better than "the cops find lots of bad guys there." It's not like Michigan is crime-free.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Keep going, you're on a roll.||
Keep going, you're on a roll.
And I'm sure all of those beautiful med school girls will be lining up to marry you as soon as you say it's time.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||And Kyle Kalis.||
And Kyle Kalis.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||He might not be messing with||
He might not be messing with his life. He might be saying "maybe" and Durkin feels that's worth waiting for.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||You're a true gentleman.||
You're a true gentleman.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||As someone currently raising||
As someone currently raising kids in CA, I'd love to hear your reasoning.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Teach me.||
|4 weeks 3 days ago||You sound pretty cool, bro.||
You sound pretty cool, bro. Tell me more. Was she fucking smokin or what?
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Mama knows best. Mrs Harbaugh||
Mama knows best. Mrs Harbaugh should be treated like a queen in AA. She also holds the power to keep him here if he decides he wants to try the NFL again.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||ESPN might want to pick it up||
ESPN might want to pick it up just for the halftime show.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Why the Fred Jackson hate?||
Why the Fred Jackson hate? Michigan has had so many good RBs under him, and we've tended to have very good or better RB play every year we had a competent OL. Remember every RB between Rickey Powers (is that about when FJ got here?) and Mike Hart? All awesome. After that we had a talent drop, but Brandon Minor and Fitz Toussaint had very good upperclass years and both Drake Johnson and Derrick Green were looking good this season until injuries.
There are far bigger problems with our staff than Fred Jackson.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||You know it's been Christmas||
You know it's been Christmas shopping season for the last three months so checking MDen isn't the weirdest thing in the world.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Well that's not merry||
Well that's not merry Christmas news.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||The context of this would be||
The context of this would be nice too.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Exactly. That's what I was||
Exactly. That's what I was thinking too. If my brother was in that spot and a reporter asked me if I urged him to do one thing or another I would say, "No, I told him to do whatever he wants." Is John supposed to say, "Yeah, he's doing it because my dad and I told him to."?
|4 weeks 6 days ago||It would be funnier if||
It would be funnier if Hackett paid Schiano to show up so he could run out, get booed, and then Hackett comes back saying "Just kidding you guys, it's Harbaugh" and then Jim runs out to everyone going nuts.
That's what I would do, at least.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Can't it be both?||
Can't it be both?
|4 weeks 6 days ago||OK that's not really the||
OK that's not really the point but thanks for convincing me I have cancer.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||That actually would be pretty||
That actually would be pretty awesome. I hope we do that.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Not applicable because it's||
Not applicable because it's happening dot gif.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||So Dana Jacobson for OL||
So Dana Jacobson for OL coach?
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Your post makes sense. We||
Your post makes sense. We all have preferences. But to say that you won't order any apparel for years just because it's Adidas instead of Nike is outrageous and silly.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||When it comes to apparel,||
When it comes to apparel, money should be the determining factor. Not the only factor, but if they money isn't close to equal, I would hope the AD takes the most lucrative deal.
We all want things that cost lots of money (like Jim Harbaigh, hello). In order to have those things that cost lots of money, we need lots of money. And since everyone bitches about ticket prices and PSDs, why not let Adidas fund that stuff for us?
|4 weeks 6 days ago||It's not that simple.||
It's not that simple. Dantonio hasn't been a DC for over a decade and isn't going to do it all himself. He's also not super young and has had some health problems so doing too much is not in his (or MSU's) best interest. Narduzzi didn't win the 2013 Broyles Award or get the Pitt HC job by being Dantonio's puppet. That was Narduzzi's defense and Narduzzi ran it.
Narduzzi was also a guy who got the MSU players very riled up and was a great recruiter. That all needs to be replaced now.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||It's a little bit of both.||
It's a little bit of both. Dantonio is a very good coach, but he wasn't running the defense all by himself, and like others have said, the D that has been so successful at MSU the last handful of years was Narduzzi's D, not Dantonio's D. Narduzzi was also especially good at watching opponents' film and scheming to stop it - it's not like a DC just implements a defense and then says "go run it" every week. Narduzzi was the one gameplanning in practice every week and tweeking the D for each opponent. He was obviously quite good at that, and that will be lost.
Now, Dantonio knows defense well himself and they'll likely hire someone good. But this is certainly a loss for MSU.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||It depends on how you define||
It depends on how you define Christmas. If it's the day you get your gifts, then yes, that would be the new Christmas. But if you define it as the day our savior is born, Jim's birthday was yesterday.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Christmas is the day Harbaugh||
Christmas is the day Harbaugh is official, as far as I'm concerned.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Sounds like that might be a||
Sounds like that might be a good idea. Also might be hard to come by if you don't hurry.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||If that was his goal, you||
If that was his goal, you know he could just tell them, right? That's what an agent's job is. You don't have to leak it to the press for your other potential suitors to know what they need to pay.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||First - Martellus Bennett is||
First - Martellus Bennett is not that good. Second - Matt Forte is 29 and Brandon Marshall is 30. Both of those guys have just a couple high level years left. And Jay Cutler sucks. The Bears aren't doing anything for a while.
|6 weeks 3 hours ago||Champions refers to more than||
Champions refers to more than just the football field.
|6 weeks 21 hours ago||4 Loco till dawn for me.||
4 Loco till dawn for me.
|6 weeks 22 hours ago||I kinda thought I had dibs on||
I kinda thought I had dibs on MGoBrewMom.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||You could certainly argue||
You could certainly argue that Ross has more invested in Michigan, between time and money, than he has in Miami. He could sell the Dolphins today and recoup what he paid and he's done. He's not getting his 250MM back from Michigan.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||I'm not sure how many of the||
I'm not sure how many of the UK guys are lottery picks - though most of them are draft picks.
Remember - all of the 76ers are NBA draft picks, and have gotten better since then. And many were lottery picks, plus you've weeded out who is a bust.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||I don't get it.||
I don't get it.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Hutchinson was from Florida||
Hutchinson was from Florida too, IIRC. And current standout Mason Cole. I wouldn't mind another Martavious Odoms, either.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Any coach who comes in with a||
Any coach who comes in with a track record for success will recruit very well right off the bat. Look at James Franklin - PSU isn't as big of a name as MIchigan and James Franklin hasn't had a ton of success as a HC, but some. Yet just by being "new" and selling "hope" he has recruited incredibly well. Hoke did the same thing, remember? Any new Michigan coach will sell to recruits all the normal Michigan stuff plus "bringing Michigan back to the top." That will last a couple years regardless of on-field success, and then we will have to win.
That's why I don't care how long it takes to get a coach. When we get one, recruits will come. What I care about is getting a coach who can win so that the recruits keep coming 3+ years down the road.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||In regards to your 3rd||
In regards to your 3rd paragraph - yes that's possible, but we have no reason to assume this. It's a successful firm that has worked with lots of other big organizatoins (with good results). To assume they totally botched what they do well is probably not the safest assumption.
As for your last paragraph - do you want the guys those schools hired? Because I sure don't. But you're exactly right that if we wanted to avoid the search firm and hire a mediocre coach, we could have done that by now.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||The only way your last||
The only way your last paragraph could be a legitimate criticim of the search firm is if both a) Miles was left off the list by the firm, and b) Miles wanted to take the job (because part of the job of the firm is to guage interest - they won't include anyone on the list who wouldn't take the job if offered).
We don't know either of those things, so you can't blame the search firm for that. It's entirely possible that Miles was on that list and Brandon passed on him.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Sure, he recruits in a||
Sure, he recruits in a talent-rich environment, but he also competes directly with Texas, TAMU, Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Georgia. Those are heavy hitters and he wins on lots of top recruits. And that's not because he had lots of Southern ties before he got there.
Michigan doesn't have the talent that Louisiana has. But they have far less local competition and they are able to cast a wider net. Michigan can bring in LSU-level recruiting classes by focusing on MI and OH and grabbing kids from CA, MD/NJ, VA/NC or Texas a few times a year.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||We really don't. If we get a||
We really don't. If we get a good coach, getting him on Jan 6th (which is my birthday so that would be awesome) will be just as good as now. Not a lot of recruiting will happen between now and then anyway, and it's a small class. I want to get a good coach that will win with our talent, and the recruiting will follow. Let's not let recruiting impact our decision here even 1%.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||I agree, I'm OK with that||
I agree, I'm OK with that too. But it's possible that we can have our cake and eat it too.
This is why MIchigan has reached out to their non-Harbaugh options. If Herman is a legitimate option for Michigan, they likely had a conversation that went something like "You are one of our top non-Harbaugh options and it's entirely possibe he's not an option. We intend to consider you very seriously, so don't go out and jump at the first job offer you get that isn't as good as us."
If Herman gets offered the job at Houston and he has a shot at the Michigan job, he will likely tell Houston they need to wait on Michigan's decision. If they don't, he can get a job similar to Houston every year if he wants.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Haha, that makes more sense.||
Haha, that makes more sense. I probably just read it wrong, and it was gone shortly thereafter.
He probably texts, so the rumor must be true.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Well, that's not only silly,||
Well, that's not only silly, but that's not the way those firms work. They don't make the choice for you, they give you a number of options so you can pick what you like best.
The only way I could bring you girls without bringing you any ugly ones is if I just brought you fewer girls (and I didn't say ugly, I said ugliest - there will always be an ugliest even if there are two and both are very attractive). If I gave you 20 girls and you don't want the ugliest one(s) than don't date them. If I brought you both ugly and hot girls and you picked an ugly one, whose fault is that? Maybe the uglier ones were super nice or smart (or dumb, whatever you like) or rich or loved pleasing you while you play video games. I give you options, and you pick the option you like best.
A search firm doesn't replace the interview process. It just finds people for the interview process.
Maybe a better dating example: You want to date girls but you don't know where to find them so I bring you to a party where lots of available girls will be hanging out. Now you do the rest.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||It wasn't anything new, but||
It wasn't anything new, but someone claimed they say a text message from Gary Moeller confirming it. I hope that's not too much info.
I'm actually surprised that Gary Moeller knows how to text message. Outside of RichRod, finding out that any ex-M HC sends text messages is a surprise to me.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||You know search firms don't||
You know search firms don't hire people, right? They just find candidates, and then it's the company's job to interview and decide. So yeah, that search firm brought Hoke and Brandon in as candidates, along with every other reasonable candidate, but Michigan picked them.
Example: If you asked me to find you a girlfriend, and I found 20 single girls who were interested in you, whose fault is it when you pick the ugliest one?
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Any other coach offered the||
Any other coach offered the job (that we're considering) would take it now. They want to get started on their new job as soon as possible. They want to get a staff in place, get recruting, get meeting their team, etc. Unless they have a legit shot at a national title (which none of our candidates have with maaaybe the exception of Herman, but that's as an OC, not a head coach) they will leave their team immediately, as they should.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Which position group on our||
Which position group on our team is undersized? Serious question.
I don't fucking buy this at all. We've had guys who were underdeveloped and the scheme wasn't always great. Our DBs were disappointing, but that doesn't have anything to do with bulk. Our OL was pretty young, but still not small for Big Ten standards.
So which guys on our team should have been bigger?
|6 weeks 4 days ago||First of all, he has not||
First of all, he has not coached most of these players before. The only guys he will have coached before are the 5th year seniors who likely didn't play when he was there last because they were redshirting. And I don't know why that's a good reason anyway.
Why is his record not bad and what does it being Pitt football have to do with it? Pitt is not a bad football program, and in his time there he lost to teams such as Akron (this year) and Youngstown St, both at home. He went 6-6 all 3 seasons, so he showed absolutely no improvement. And it's not like he had a murderer's row of a schedule. A good test is: If this guy didn't have previous ties to Wisconsin, would he still be a good hire? I can't imagine why.
In what world is this an A+ hire? I would say it's incredibly underwhelming, but maybe I should expect that from Wisconsin now.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||I'm not sure that's a great||
I'm not sure that's a great argument, just because it happened once 30 years ago. Typically guys who have a very mediocre first coaching stop don't kill it at the next one.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||So after going 19-19 in 3||
So after going 19-19 in 3 seasons at Pitt, Wisconsin just had to have him, huh? And people wonder why we're taking so much time.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||I'm not sure, but maybe Bob||
I'm not sure, but maybe Bob Stoops? I'm not sure what that has to do with your arguement directly.
I agree that it's a risk. A risk doesn't mean he's doomed, so saying "Bob Stoops" doesn't refute the fact that he's a risk, because then I can say "Will Muschamp" and we can go on for days. The reality is, elite programs don't hire coordinators who have never been HCs very often at all. Sometimes they do when they feel they have an awesome guy on their staff already, but there's a reason that's not the recommended method. It's risky.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Exactly. If I offered you||
Exactly. If I offered you (not you Brian, but the guy above who asked) a job at a comparable company, that was a step up from what you were doing now and was going to pay you 5x or so more for doing it - would you take it? There are very few circumstances where the answer isn't "In a heart beat."
Herman doesn't have any special connections to OSU or Columbus, and even if he has family nearby, it's not a huge geographic move. It's totally possible he doesn't accept a HC job at a smaller school because the increase may only be double or less. But to go from coordinator anywhere for HC at Michigan is an absolute no-brainer if offered.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||But every coach does that.||
But every coach does that. RichRod did that. Gary Anderson is doing that this year, so is McElwain. This is common.
Once he has accepted the job at the head coach of the University of Michigan, he will be a little conflicted in his current position and even if he doesn't feel that way, I bet his players and fellow coaches will.
Unless you are suggesting we don't even sign him up until after the playoff is over, in which case I would only want to do that if we had to. But based on the Harbaugh timeline and the fact that OSU isn't going to win their first game, that wouldn't be that long from now.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Sure. But one guy has rings||
Sure. But one guy has rings to flaunt, and another doesn't.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Even if you take out the||
Even if you take out the obvious promotion and career progression, he would get about a 300% pay raise, or more.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||You're listing two guys who||
You're listing two guys who were a) head coaches at those schools, not OCs, and b) guys who were much farther along in their careers than Herman was at ISU.
This does not by itself refute his performance, but it's not exactly apples and oranges. Both of those guys had extensive experience as OCs before going to those schools and boosting their offenses, and even in those cases it took a few years. It may have taken a few more at ISU, but he didn't stay there long enough.
|7 weeks 5 min ago||Not only Saban's players. It||
Not only Saban's players. It was his third year there, so lots of contributors were his recruits. And he still had to coach them. Does Urban not get credit for his first BCS title because they were Zook's players?
Muschamp had Urban's players. Kiffin had Carroll's players. Just because you follow a great coach with good players doesn't mean you win a national championship.
|7 weeks 10 min ago||Let's assume, for the sake of||
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you have two coaches, Plan A and Plan B. You offer the job to Plan A, and he says he won't tell you the answer right now, maybe not for a few weeks. Do you talk to Plan B and get that all set so that in the event Plan A says no, Plan B is good to go? Or do you not say one goddamned thing to Plan B until Plan A says no and you set yourself back a few weeks and maybe screw up Plan B alogether?
Talking to Plan B right now means absolutely nothing about Plan A's likelihood. So chill, bro.
|7 weeks 13 min ago||Guys we're getting Harbaugh,||
Guys we're getting Harbaugh, everybody chill out.
|7 weeks 16 min ago||How could "Michigan reached||
How could "Michigan reached out to Les Miles" mean absolutely anything unambiguously other than Michigan reached out to Les Miles?
|7 weeks 19 min ago||Even if we weren't||
Even if we weren't interested, I'm not sure why we would care if his agent spread lies to get him an extension or raise. I'm sure Jim Hackett would rather Les have money than LSU.
|7 weeks 2 hours ago||There's really no rush.||
There's really no rush. What's going to happen between Sunday and the end of the year? That's only 2 weeks, it includes Christmas and it's during a no-contact recruiting period. Give the guy until the end of the season. Once Jan 1 rolls around, you tell him you need an answer.
|7 weeks 2 hours ago||Saint Brady? What the hell||
Saint Brady? What the hell does that mean?
|7 weeks 2 hours ago||That's pretty debateable.||
That's pretty debateable. He'l get one extra year of pay, sure, but likely at about 800k/year at the most, I'd bet. If you say he has a 5 year career, that's only 160k more per year. Staying an extra year and upping his draft stock could get him waaaay more than 160k more per year. It would also get him a degree, which will certainly help him from age 28-65.
|7 weeks 20 hours ago||But I'm joking, he meant||
But I'm joking, he meant "cue." "Cue up the band." "What's my cue?"
|7 weeks 20 hours ago||Isn't it queue?||
Isn't it queue?
|7 weeks 23 hours ago||Look - I like Gardner. But||
Look - I like Gardner. But he would have never seen the field at Oregon. Most of their QBs have been quite good right out of the gate. That's on them, not the coaches. Gardner looked awful right out of the gate, and although he improved in many areas, he didn't improve enough in most.
And it's not just on the coaches. He went to elite QB coaches every offseason too, and he still could never get over the hump. At some point it's on the player.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||If he can find a QB who isn't||
If he can find a QB who isn't in love with turnovers he'll do just fine.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||That's a very subjective||
That's a very subjective opinion that I happen to disagree with.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Of course it's unlikely, but||
Of course it's unlikely, but the poster asked if they will be eliminated and the answer is no. However, if the Packers win tonight, a Niner loss and a Lions win over the Vikings would be enough to do it.
It's the NFL and crazy stuff happens at the end of the year.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||It's definitely true that his||
It's definitely true that his run in NO is coming to an end soon, and I think 3-6 years is really ambitious. NFL teams are extremely QB-reliant (unless they have an awesome D which NO does not) and Brees turns 36 in January. His stats this season are down from where they have been the last few years (already as many INTs as last year, lowest YPA since 2010 and on pace for fewest yards since 2010 and 2010 was already a down year for him).
He likely know he had a great run with Drew Brees and Michigan may be his best chance to snag an awesome contract with better job security right now.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||They would not be eliminated||
They would not be eliminated because outside of Seattle and Arizona, none of the other teams you listed have 10 wins yet. It's still possible that Dallas or Philly could lose out and that the Lions or Packers could lose out and the 49ers get the last playoff spot.
That's super unlikely, but still possible so they wouldn't be eliminated, especially because they have the tie-breaker against the Cowboys. Since Dallas will likely lose at Philly next week, that will still be in play. The Lions play the Vikings next weekend, which they will probably win but it's the NFL so you never know. If The Niners lose and both the Packers (which they could do tonight) and Lions get to 10 wins, they're out.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||I don't think the candidate||
I don't think the candidate Cowherd was referring to is actually Belicheck. I think that was a joke. Especially since he's still saying he won't say who the candidate is.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||OK - I admittedly am not||
OK - I admittedly am not familiar at all with this particular site, and since it has gotten so much airtime lately, not only here but also by guys like RJ Bell and other national people, I assumed it was legit and indicative of actual Vegas lines.
My statements were regarding an actual Vegas line, so if this site isn't legit, then yes, that changes my opinion of all of this. If it's such a junky site, why are we even talking about it? In that case, it should be disregarded completely.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Not only the growth in||
Not only the growth in traffic/credibility of the blog, but I know Brian has been diligent in obtaining and fostering sources within the program. Obviously the success of the site makes that process easier as well.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Because that would be a lot||
Because that would be a lot of M fans throwing around a lot of money simply on something they "want" to happen. Most people on gambling sites don't throw around large sums based solely on fandom. Those who do aren't on gambling sites very long.
Most movement you see on national bets has a lot more to do with what the smart money is doing. Professional gamblers who make smart bets, not fans.
My point is, there could be real information out there, and all of the people who know it are putting max bets on it.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Love that gif. Got the play||
Love that gif. Got the play card up just at the right time. That's a trick someone should have taught Brian Kelly. I saw some similar words come out of Tom Brady's mouth last night, but he didn't have the luxury of the play card.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Just to be clear, you think||
Just to be clear, you think Mullen is not coming?
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah - that much movement||
Yeah - that much movement sounds like more than just optimistic M fans looking to double down on their optimism. That's serious money, so it's either people dialed in or M fans who are optimistic for a reason.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Exactly. I don't know why||
Exactly. I don't know why people think that because this stint didn't work out that Hoke can't be a successful coach somewhere. We said the same thing about RichRod, that he couldn't handle the big time.
The thing is, and I love DG as a person, but if Hoke had a good QB while he was here, and maybe that falls on Borges, he would still have his job. His offense was pretty sweet with Ryan Lindley at SDSU. No reason he can't do that again with better recruits at Oregon State.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Seriously. What a awful||
Seriously. What a awful thing to say. I love sports as much as anyone, but it bothers me when peoples' fandom supercedes being a good person. There's no need for that.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||I know making fun of Brady||
I know making fun of Brady Hoke is the new cool thing to go around here, but he would be a great hire for them and will have success. He recruits the west coast well and would have no problem finding a great staff. If I were Oregon State, I'd jump all over that.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Agreed. He's a great coach||
Agreed. He's a great coach who we should be happy with. Only downside to him is he's as big of a flight risk to the NFL as any coach we're considering.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Yes, that's true. The better||
Yes, that's true. The better way to put it is "you never know when your last shot is at Michigan." It's possible he gets another shot at it, but it's also possible he doesn't.
It's like dating a girl. If you break up with her, you might get another shot to date her, but if the next guy she finds is just as good to her as you were, you'll be out of luck.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Not all the fans love him.||
Not all the fans love him. My neighbor is a lifetime Niner fan and he's still pissed at Harbaugh for getting rid of Alex Smith and putting all his eggs in Kaepernick's basket. And after this season, that's not a bad point.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Definitely an actual||
Definitely an actual calculation. Because that sort of thing is possible.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Which fraternity is this?||
Which fraternity is this? Just out of curiosity.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Of course they do. So, in||
Of course they do. So, in this instance, it means all the smart money was betting Harbaugh to Michigan, even when the odds when to near-even. Vegas only pulls a bet when an incredible percentage is all betting on one side.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Typically, I would lean||
Typically, I would lean toward not believing a poster with 1 point named "Mgojizz," but this sounds legit to me.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Exactly - and there's really||
Exactly - and there's really no reason to be in a hurry. Our competitors have already hired their guys and they hired guys we didn't want. Outside of about a week or recruiting (which is really not that big of a deal) we have nothing to lose by taking our time and being as deliberate as possible.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||What that has happened so far||
What that has happened so far convinces you it's dumb? We are currently in the running for one of the best HCs in all of football, possibly in the running for a handful of other good-to-great college HCs and, the best news of all, we haven't hired anyone shitty (yet). What have you read that has been the least bit bad, aside from the fact that Harbaugh hasn't yet signed a contract?
|7 weeks 3 days ago||I was under the impression||
I was under the impression she lived in San Diego. That's where his kids were going to school.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||I've got a brand new McCallan||
I've got a brand new McCallan 18 that I just bought from Costco. I promise to kill the whole thing if this happens. My heart will be racing so fast that I won't even get drunk.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Everyone on the planet||
Everyone on the planet thought Joe Nathan and Joakim Soria were good relievers.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Fuck. Harbaugh lives much||
Fuck. Harbaugh lives much closer to the San Jose airport, so that plane at SFO must have been there for...I've got nothing.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Did you ask him about Amadou||
Did you ask him about Amadou Ba? I would always ask about Amadou Ba.
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|7 weeks 4 days ago||Of course it's designed to be||
Of course it's designed to be a win for the house, otherwise there would be no houses. That's like saying a restaurant is set up so that the money you give them is actually more than it costs them to make the food. Because that's the point.
All casinos are set up to make money, but in the long term for a large sample size. Depending on the game, the house wins between 51 and 58 percent of the time. The trick is to figure out how to be in the 42-49% that wins more often than not.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Don't rain on my parade.||
Don't rain on my parade.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||That's actually a really good||
That's actually a really good point. Rarely do you get to make actual Vegas bets on something you control. I think Harbaugh should throw a cool million down on Michigan and then take the job. That could cover his first year's salary.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Exactly. There are a dozen||
Exactly. There are a dozen reasons why Harbaugh might not take the job, but none of them are because he wants to stick it to Michigan. So why should we be mad at him? If he feels something else is best for him right now, that's fine. I don't see why that would rule him out if there is a next time.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||This is so wrong. First of||
This is so wrong. First of all, it's entirely possible that this job isn't open for another 10 years, and it's also possible that 10 years from now Harbaugh isn't available or desirable. He'll be old and who knows how hot his star is burning by that point. I'm sure Harbaugh will still be a solid HC by then, but people thought Les Miles could have the job whenever he wanted to and sometimes there are just better options out there.
It's certainly possible that this isn't the last time Harbaugh has a shot at the job, but far from a certainty. And if his dream is to be a long-time M head coach like Bo, then this may be his last shot at that.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||The products I will be||
The products I will be selling have more to do with kidney stones than prostates and erections, but if you've ever had to pass a stone, you'd agree that stone management deserves applause as well.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||This is 100% true. The guys||
This is 100% true. The guys we still have will stay, half the guys who decommitted will come back and a couple dozen uncommitted or committed elsewhere guys will be looking to jump on board. And we still only have like 15 slots (which won't go up by much because our current guys will want to stay and play for him.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||It won't. Florida and||
It won't. Florida and Nebraska already hired their guys and CSU and Oregon State aren't taking any of our candidates. Any solid coach is prepping for his bowl game or his next pro opponent so they aren't going anywhere in the meantime. And I'm sure all of our Plan B guys know what's happening and that they'll be strongly considered if JH says no, so it's not like we'd have to start everything over at that point.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Agreed. I cared so much||
Agreed. I cared so much about recruiting the last 7 years, and I've learned that great recruiting means little when you have poor coaching and poor recruiting means little when you have great coaching (MSU). I also know that if we hire the right guy, recruiting will fall into place almost by itself (plus half of December is a no-contact period anyway) so I don't think recruiting should play a role in this decision in the slightest bit. Not even 1%.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Agreed. If he said anything||
Agreed. If he said anything else, he'd be doing a disservice to LSU.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||I mean, does this mean a||
I mean, does this mean a whole lot? Coaches always say they're staying until they're not, and that doesn't make them bad people. I would handle my job the same way.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Sometimes trades go that way||
Sometimes trades go that way guys, and it's not always because Dombrowski is an idiot. Fister had an awesome year last year in the NL, but we don't know he'll do that every year or if he would have looked that good in the AL (because he never did before).
And even if you want to blame DD for that, then you have to give him major credit for the Prince Fielder trade, and those together result in a major net-gain for the Tigs.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||We flipped that centerpiece||
We flipped that centerpiece into a more proven commodity. Is that bad?
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah - the Niners are not out||
Yeah - the Niners are not out of it at all. The Lions have the Bucs this weekend at home, so they should win that, but both the Cards and Seahawks have tough games this weekend and the Niners get the Seahawks next week. A lot will shakeout in the next couple of weeks.
If the Niners could just lose to the Raiders this weekend or the Seahawks and/or Cardinals pull off a win, that would be great.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||That's fucked up. I wanted||
That's fucked up. I wanted clean as a whistle in 2008. In 2014 I was "guy who can win without being totally dirty."
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Mountain Time Zone, but yeah.||
Mountain Time Zone, but yeah.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||I, on the other hand, am in a||
I, on the other hand, am in a unique spot. I am in my last week of my current job this week and I'm mentally checked out. Therefore, I can live in MGoBlog. Next week, my first week of the new job, will be spent primarily in my home office getting HR paperwork done, IT stuff set up, etc. and I'll be able to spend lots of time online.
Then the next week I leave for training where I will have very little time to spend checking this stuff and I need to actually focus on learning interventional urology. So if we could have this all wrapped up by then, that would be great.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||He turned down 2 jobs this||
He turned down 2 jobs this past offseason - University of Texas and University of Washington, his alma mater. I feel like he's not coming here.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||So he congratulated a coach?||
So he congratulated a coach? Big deal.
Any by permanent, he means LSU, not that he'll permanently be there.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Well Michigan gives at least||
Well Michigan gives at least as much institutional advatage so if he comes here and wins just as much that's OK with me.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Exactly, it's not 2007, the||
Exactly, it's not 2007, the year he won a national championship. It's also not 2005, 2006, 2010, 2011, 2012 or 2013 when he won 10 or more games. It is not one of the 5 seasons his team finished ranked in the top 10 in the country.
But holy smokes, he might do some of those things again, right?
|7 weeks 5 days ago||I don't if I should pos you||
I don't if I should pos you because of how accurate this could be or neg you for the same reason.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Seriously. You have two guys||
Seriously. You have two guys (Stoops and Miles) with a national championship each, conference titles and multiple BCS trips and 10 win seasons. Then you have a guy whose best selling point is one 10-2 season where he finished second in his division. Outside of that, Mullen has been a middle of the road HC and a coordinator on a great team. He's not an awful hire if it works out that way, but to put him ahead of Stoops and Miles is nutty.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Agreed. Not very many||
Agreed. Not very many coordinators go straight from coordinator to the Big Time. Even Mahlzahn went to Akransas State first, Strong went to Louisville, McElwain to CSU, etc. Get a proven commodity.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||No one is dooming him to||
No one is dooming him to failure, but I think we have the right to give our opinion of the hire in the meantime. We can look at the track record of the coach they fired vs the coach replacing him and say that all evidence points to Nebraska taking a step back rather than a step forward.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Fans have a tendancy to say||
Fans have a tendancy to say that a coach underachieves if he's really good but does anything short of Nick Saban. If you coach a team and are really good and only win the national championship one time, you underachieved. Because if you win it once, you need to win it all the times, or else you're not doing your job. People say Mark Richt underachieves and people said Lloyd Carr underachieved, and I disagree with both but Stoops has done more than each of those guys.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||How many offensive||
How many offensive coordinators does OSU have? Urban is an offensive guy, then they have Warinner and Herman? No wonder they score so many points! Maybe our problem was we just needed more OCs.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||I don't think Nebraska will||
I don't think Nebraska will be a bust with him, but will be do better than Pelini did? Because he never did better than that at Oregon St, when a lot of those years the Pac 12 is as bad or worse than the Big Ten is now. If Nebraska was coming off consecutive 5-7 seasons and needed someone to get them to "good" then Mike Riley would be a good hire. But they have been a 9-to-10 win team for half a decade looking to get over the hump and Riley has never been able to do that.
He has never coached in a conference championship game or a major bowl game and has never been able to recruit with the big boys. Clearly Nebraska isn't OK with 9-3 and I see no evidence why Mike Riley is more likely to get them above that.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah, he absolutely turned||
Yeah, he absolutely turned around SDSU. They hadn't been over .500 in forever, and in 2 yeards Hoke had them at 9-4. Keep in mind, he lost those 4 games by a total of 15 points and 3 of those 4 losses were to good (and current P5) teams - Mizzou, TCU and Utah. They have been above .500 every year since. That is a turnaround.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Hard to compete with that Gil||
Hard to compete with that Gil Turner.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||If I were Oregon State I||
If I were Oregon State I would be all over that (outside of the whole playing Michigan part, which might be enough for Hoke not to take it). Oregon State isn't going to do much better, Hoke has west coast recruiting ties and the las time a Pac 12 team took our leftovers it worked out OK.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||I follow the Pac-12 quite||
I follow the Pac-12 quite closely, and I don't see this as much of a hire. I'm not sure he really said no to USC 3 times - it's possible before the Carroll hire since USC wasn't as great of a job yet, and he might have said no during the Kiffin hire because of all the sanctions, but why would he have said no to USC a year ago only to take the Nebraska job this year?
Mike Riley reminds me of Brady Hoke in that he's a great guy that his players and other coaches love, and everyone talks about how great of a coach he is. And he's certainly a good coach, but has never really been able to get over the hump. He's put together a lot of solid teams, but no really great ones and a few downright bad ones (including this year).
That's just not a very inspiring hire if you ask me.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||He didn't even put together||
He didn't even put together one big year in a time where the Pac-10 wasn't exactly murderers row. If you can go to Rose Bowls at Washington State, you can do it at Oregon State. If you can go 10-2 at Miss St. in the SEC West, you can do it at Oregon State. He didn't.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||You're right, Mike Riley is||
You're right, Mike Riley is not a 5-7 coach. However, his best season ever (record-wise) he went 9-3 before losing the Alamo Bowl (and thus finishing 9-4). His best post-season ranking is 18th, and in 14 seasons he has finished the year ranked 4 times (18, 20, 21, 25).
So it's probably better to say he's a 7-5 coach. If you take out his first 2 years at Oregon State, he's 85-66. That's a .563 win clip over 12 seasons when you take out two rebuilding years. That's just a little worse than 7-5.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Then what would it be like||
Then what would it be like with both of them? They could double-team the recruits. Who says no to that?
|7 weeks 5 days ago||You made a bad post. Too||
You made a bad post. Too vague. "The factions are making their push." That tells me nothing. Give a little more info and you'll get a little more love.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Would you mind explaining||
Would you mind explaining what the hell it is you're talking about? There is a power play by the Lloyd faction? Is the other faction down a man? Stop it with the lingo and spit it out.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||I think people are saying he||
I think people are saying he will likely leave his situation because everyone always does. Young coaches who win at non-elite programs leave for elite programs when given the opportunity. Strong left Louisville for Texas. Urban left Utah for Florida. Franklin left Vandy for Penn State. Sarkisian left Washington for USC.
There are situations where guys stay at their non-elite school, but those examples are few and far between. And when they exist, it's often and age or geography thing. There are very few instances where a hot, young coach is at a lesser school and forgoes big offers from big programs. Even Chris Peterson eventually caved.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||No one is saying there aren't||
No one is saying there aren't reasons to stay where you are or that you can't turn any school into a proven winner. Could Urban Meyer have stayed at Utah and done everything he did at Florida? It's possible, but very unlikely and at the very least it would have taken a whole lot longer.
TCU and Baylor are both unique situations, in a league that lost three of its best teams (TAMU, Nebraska and Missouri) and has it's giant (Texas) currently in a downturn. And Gary Patterson has been building TCU for a while now, so that wasn't just an overnight success. Also unlike Miss St, TCU and Baylor are in a super talent-rich state, where convincing kids to stay at home isn't a bad sell. The Dalles-FTW Metroplex has the highest concentration of D1 talent of anywhere in the country, and the only P5 school within a hundred miles is TCU. The one that's 100 miles away? Baylor. Miss St. doesn't have any fertile recruiting grounds like that.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah - that's what I was||
Yeah - that's what I was thinking. I know he was an NFL bust, and that has a lot more to do with his attitude than anything else, but he was incredible in college. He absolutely slaughtered a pretty talented ND team in his last bowl game, a big reason he went #1 over Megatron.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah, I agree with that.||
Yeah, I agree with that. Especially since if he's not interested in Michigan, he knows Michigan will have a coach before the NFL negotiations really get fired up (once the season is over).
|7 weeks 6 days ago||And that answer is||
And that answer is "absolutely"?
|7 weeks 6 days ago||Oh there's no doubt the ball||
Oh there's no doubt the ball is completely in his court. If he wants the job and for whatever pay, it's his.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||Wow. First question he||
Wow. First question he dodged. Second one he said literally nothing until the next guy asked a question. That's not bad.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||None of these other talks are||
None of these other talks are even happening if Harbaugh isn't on board. Hackett doesn't bother dealing with the 9ers (if that's what's really happening) if JH hasn't already said that he wants to coach at Michigan. If he's not on board, no amount of financial inter-workings are going to do any good. Hackett likely got Harbaugh's blessing first, and then went to the 49ers.
God damn, I hope this is all true.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||I would argue that Harbaugh||
I would argue that Harbaugh would mean more to Michigan than either of those guys mean to their respective teams. And Michigan has more money.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||Not a good analogy. Unless||
Not a good analogy. Unless in your analogy, a Honda Civic is one of the best cars money can buy and there is no other place to buy one. Sure, it would be dumb to pay 100k for a civic if you can go to another dealer and buy one for 20k, but that's not the case here. We are buying a unique item that isn't attainable anywhere else. And it's quite possibly the best one of its kind.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||In his defense, he seems to||
In his defense, he seems to know Snyder quite well.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||The state doesn't fund the||
The state doesn't fund the athletic department, so that doesn't matter. It's a separate financial entity altogether.