this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
|5 years 19 weeks ago||They both picked up the gun, the gun, the gun||
I loved this scene in Chicago. The movie version was pretty cool as well.
|5 years 19 weeks ago||Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell and Charlie Pierce's out of control||
Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell and Charlie Pierce's out of control eyebrow made this a 10 out of 10.
New Favorite Quote
" If I had a class of water and one of them (Lakers) was on fire, I'd drink the water and watch" - Cornbread
Enjoy the rest of your weekend
|5 years 19 weeks ago||Woooooo!||
To be the man, you got to beat the man! (or dress up in a robe and wig)
|5 years 21 weeks ago||Zoltan just stared at the weights and they did 50 reps themselve||
Zoltan just stared at the weights and due to his complete awesomeness, they did 50 reps themselves.
They only did 50 since he didn't want to show-off
|5 years 21 weeks ago||Tate Forcier||
QB is the toughest position to play and 110,000 have an opinion on every move you make.
This team goes as far as Tate Forcier or whoever the starting QB is takes them.
|5 years 21 weeks ago||Mallett is a head case, but has all of the tools||
It would be tough to justify drafting Tim Tebow over Ryan Mallett. Mallet is 100% a head-case, but he has all of the physical tools you would want in a NFL Quarterback (arm strength, size, etc). There are always teams (Raiders) who think that their coaching staff can coach maturity, etc. Drafting in the NFL is 100% based on potential, not results.
|5 years 22 weeks ago||It was a joke!||
Just trying to pay Brian some props with a light-hearted sense of humor!
|5 years 22 weeks ago||The Winner of the 2010 Pulitzer Prize for Journalism||
Brian Cook from MgoBlog.
Absolutely awesome! The man should be teaching journalism classes at Michigan.
|5 years 23 weeks ago||Wolverine Historian is like the Smithsonian Institution||
A wonderful place where generation after generation can learn about glorious history of Michigan Football.
Sir, I salute all of your efforts!
|5 years 23 weeks ago||This thread is like a bad horror movie or multi-car pile-up||
Every dish is making me sick to my stomach, but somehow I can't get enough reading the thread and looking at the photos!
|5 years 24 weeks ago||Kids are going to go where they want to go||
Kids are ultimately going to go where they want to go and where they feel the most comfort. I'm sure the high school coach plays a role in helping shape their direction, but I truly believe that the student-athletes and their immediate families make the ultimate decision.
In the year 2010, it is almost as easy to get a kid from 2,000 miles away as it is to get one right down the street. It has nothing to do with effort on the part of the coaches. Not every soul in the state of Michigan is going to be a UM fan. I am sure that the coaches try to as many good players as possible to wear the winged helmet. I also am quite certain that RR does everything possible to maintain a good relationship with several HS coaches. You can't please everyone all of the time.
I would just relax and enjoy the ones who want to play for the Leaders and Best
|5 years 24 weeks ago||Great video||
What put it over the top was the kick ass awesome sound track in the background.
|5 years 24 weeks ago||Can't be good for one's career||
I can't see how this is going to help Edward's career in the long run. Why would anyone want to hire a dude who's word isn't worth shit? Why take the job in the first place? You are coaching at UF, not working at a walmart.
EDIT: Yes mgoworld, I am a dumbass! It has been a long week!
|5 years 24 weeks ago||Double post is what I get for using POS work computer||
Glad to see my company is making solid IT investments. Kinda of explains the earnings anouncement
My bad on the double post
|5 years 24 weeks ago||Can't be good for one's career||
I can't see how this is going to help Edward's career in the long run. Why would anyone want to hire a dude who's word isn't worth shit? Why take the job in the first place? You are coaching at UF, not working at a walmart.
|5 years 33 weeks ago||You can add that few outside the fans actually want a playoff.||
The coaches - unless you have a legit shot at winning in a given year, they don't want a playoff. For most schools, going to a bowl game is considered a successful season. Why would any coach want to dramatically increase the level needed to consider the season a success.
The programs/schools - they want pretty pictures to put on the brochures they send to recruits. More bowls, more pretty pictures. Plus, gives smaller schools the chance to be on ESPN and show their program to potential recruits, students. Also, add the fact that 30+ teams end their season with a victory.
The NCAA - They love to spread the myth of college football that every game matters, blah, blah, blah. With no playoff - there is some kernel to truth to that statement. Add a playoff, football's regular season looks like basketball's. Most of America only cares about college hoops because of the NCAA tourney.
However, none of these matter compared to the main reason listed above - The almighty dollar and who gets to keep most of the dollars.
|5 years 34 weeks ago||Here goes nothing||
I would point to the fact that several professional athletes go to him on a regular basis. I would take that to indicate he must be pretty good at what he is doing. I don't remember hearing too much about people going to Coach Gittelson once they left UM.
I do think people over-rate strength and conditionining in terms of sports. It is important, but I would also assume that most DI athletes are in relatively good physical shape or they wouldn't be DI athletes. It is not, nor should it be, the end all of be all of sports or competition.
For Example (This is silly, but I like it anyway. You can take the world's most physically fit chicken and put him in a room with the world's laziest and slowest lion and I'm pretty certain your going to have instant McNuggets every time (This is from some stupid TV show in the 80's - but this is the only line I remember)
Barwis is a good piece, but is only a single piece of what is needed to be successful
|5 years 34 weeks ago||Hell will freeze||
Hell will be frozen to the core, pigs will fly, the Cubs and Lions will win the World Series and Superbowl respectively and Charlie Weis will have a size 30 waist before UM will lower prices.
If you were UM, would you lower prices knowing you have thousands of people who will give anything and any amount of $$$$$$ for season tickets. I assume the waiting list is a long as ever.
Supply and Demand at its finest.
|5 years 34 weeks ago||FYI (for Irish) -Where do you see Golden Tate if he comes out?||
I can't see any situation where he gets past the mid-20's in the draft this year. If forced to pick - I am thinking mid-teens myself. Decent size, looks like fantastic speed in games, solid hands (looking for your opinion here), plus seems a demon in special teams and the return game. We all know that NFL teams creams in their pants over this (Dante Hall, Devon Hester, Cribbs)
What is your opinion since you follow them pretty closely - Can never think too early about fantasy football for 2010?
|5 years 34 weeks ago||Two things I will miss (Not a haiku)||
His great knack for putting together a charmin soft defense against either the pass or the run year after year.
His ability to waste the talent of several 5 star recruits season after season.
Thanks for keeping us ahead in the all-time winning %. Your undying efforts are appreciated.
|5 years 34 weeks ago||Going, Going, Gone||
Let's count the reasons
- His favorite coach is getting fired so it would be rebuilding under a new system.
- If you assume that all of the Lineman playing this year were the best of the roster, he would be in for another year of getting his brains beat in with shitty O Line. (BTW - Sam Young is beyond awful - How did this guy ever get 5 stars in HS. I think my 94 year old grandfather can move quicker than this guy. Zero chance of success at OT in the NFL. Better learn guard quick)
- Golden Tate is going bye, bye for the same reasons as Jimmah
- I can't see too many QBs being taken ahead of him in the NFL draft so he will be a high draft choice
- Last draft before any new collective barganing agreement. I will bet my life that they will be NBA type salary structure for draft choices.
Would anyone with an IQ above the temperature of frozen water stay in this situation.
|5 years 35 weeks ago||If he is 1/4 the player Wes Welker is:||
WOW, it will be fun to watch for 4 years in Maize and Blue since Welker is amazing. (Can't believe what Miami did not see in him and thankful that he is with my beloved Patriots)
I am hoping and will be happy is Drew is someone who can add depth, push people everyday in practice and challenge for playing time by his red-shirt sophomore or junior seasons.
|5 years 35 weeks ago||Count me in the for the clock stopping for every first down||
Absolutely hate this college football rule. Why bother giving a team time-outs at that point since every team can easily go down the field in less than 2 minutes due to all of the clock stoppages
I also hate the replay at the discretion of the officials. I prefer the NFL rule where if the coach really feels a challenge is warranted, challenge the play and you can only due this twice. I hate how some plays get replayed, but others which should do not. Also, I thought the point was that offense could snap the ball quickly if they thought they got away with one. Now the officials hold up play until they make a decision about going to replay.
Both of these rules make college so choppy in my opinion
|5 years 35 weeks ago||Give everything you have every single day in everything you do!||
Remember these seasons in everything you do! Michigan players have always given every drop of their blood, sweat and tears to the tradition of Michigan Football. Use any pain as motivation that you are going to show the world that Michigan is truly the "Leaders and Best".
Michigan doesn't quit and the maize and blue colors don't run!
|5 years 35 weeks ago||Agree||
The man was absolutely electric in the slightest bit of space.
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Sharp is a columinst - This is what they are paid to do||
It's his point to stir the point and bring up subjective opinions. He isn't a reporter, this is what columnists do for a living. They are paid to write an opinion hoping to generate interest/arguments in the paper so people continue to buy the paper to see what the columnist is going to say next.
Look at how many posts have been applied to this topic. I would say he has done his job pretty well since some of us are so mad we are picking on his heart condition as a child. Everyone knows he is going to blast UM at every opportunity, it has been his MO for years, just ignore it.
I personally don't care for his work, but what is the big deal about this.
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Plus all those Rose Bowl and BCS bowl wins||
Plus all those Rose Bowl and BCS wins over the past decade.
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Vogrich is the real deal||
I live in IL and went to see Lake Forest play Zion High School (The ZeeBees) last season. Zion had 3 D1 player but Vogrich just killed them with his shooting and smooth play. He just didn't miss from anywhere from what I remember.
Kid will be special when it is all said and done
|5 years 36 weeks ago||The development center is is not even built,||
yet, there will be skinny blonds there just hanging out! Oh Boy, that will help recruiting.
|5 years 36 weeks ago||It's the BTN - Nothing would surprise me!||
Does anything the BTN do strike you as "top shelf". This is like community access TV on steroids. I mean has anyone ever seen a "Texas Pete" wing sauce ad on a real network like CBS, TNT, Spike, etc!
Enjoy wisdom from the King
|5 years 36 weeks ago||ND - Fear the 'stache||
Fear the 'stache, Jimmah!
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Just the opposite - King has been gold tonight||
There have been several laugh out loud moments in the first half alone. My favorite was having to look at the scoreboard when interviewing at half-time.
He should be on the number 1 commentary team immediately
|5 years 36 weeks ago||That is an awesome green sports coat||
I got to get one of those for special occasions. Very tight looking
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Anthony Wright looks like one mean dude||
Jesus - He looked pissed on that foul line.
|5 years 36 weeks ago||King - I am digging the higher pitch voice||
Absolute awesomeness! Yeah, babeeee!!
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Hey - I'm pretty sure the Big Ten Network calls these guys at 3||
Hey - I'm pretty sure the Big Ten Network calls these guys at 3pm and asks "You doing anything today! No, ok good, want to make a few bucks and do some commentary! OK, just show up at 6, 6:30 and we'll go from there"
The BTN has never struck me as a well oiled machine when you get past the first commentary team
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Five players from Canada||
WOW! - Bball in the UP must really be bad if you are going to the hockey capital of the universe for players
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Morris looks like a keeper||
Morris looks like a keeper. Kid seems in control for a true frosh in game 1.
|5 years 36 weeks ago||If you think that Lloyd's teams didn't have work ethic,||
I really think you really need to reconsider your post. The teams in the past might have not always won every game or gotten all of the results the fans wanted, but I absolutely guarantee that those players busted their asses every fucking day. I'm positive that we didn't need a 180 degree from that standpoint
This is one of the biggest insults you can issue. I mean, the players under Lloyd won Big 10 championsships, BCS bowl games, and even a national championship.
All of us as Michigan fans want RR to achieve that level of success.
|5 years 36 weeks ago||No stages for me||
There is zero sense dwelling on the past.
Just have to keep moving forward since there is nothing that can be done to change what happened. The nice thing about sports is you can only lose the game once, no matter how many times you replay in your head.
"The past is history, the future is a mystery, the present is the gift we must cherish"
|5 years 36 weeks ago||When you give up 30+ for 4 straight game.||
When you give up 30+ for the 4th straight game, there is plenty of blame to go around to everyone (coaches, position coaches, players, etc).
No need to waste energy who is to blame more! At this point, it really doesn't matter.
Need to continue to work this final week to get better and extend the season for one more game!
"The past is history, the future is a mystery, the present is a gift we must cherish"
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Me likey the no free speech rule||
Probably best for everyone to stay away from the computers for a couple of weeks.
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Sold to Wolverine Will!||
As good as I think the hoops team is, Coach B would be national coach of the year if we are a 4 seed or better in the NCAAs, IMHO
University of Michigan - T-minus 2 years to being the number one University for in both academic and athletic on-field excellence.
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Kicking ND ass||
Kicking Notre Lame's ass!
|5 years 36 weeks ago||I think that all fans are like this in the 2009 sports world||
I don't think that Michigan Fans are any more or less unrealistic than fans of other teams (college and Pro). I think this has more to do with the continuously move toward an instant gratification society. I mean everything is fast food, fast internet, Wikipedia, ADD, 4G cell-phones, microchip brain implants, etc, etc, etc! Why would we expect sports and sports fans to be different than the general society where they function daily?
This was from Mike and Mike in the Morning – Look at the NBA and the number of coaches who were “Coach of the Year” one season and fired pretty quickly afterwards
• Byron Scott – 2007-08 COTY, Fired in 2009
I am not a psych major, I only play one on TV!
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Happy Veterans Day||
Thank you to all of the brave women and men who defend freedom and serve our Country with honor.
People can argue back and forth about Rich Rod and the team, and sometimes they can get nasty and heated and think bad things about others on this board. But it is days like today to remind us that we are and will be always united under the banner of freedom and just be enternally thankful for the men and women who defend us with honor.
A number of people in my family and my wife's family have served so this day always has special meaning for my household.
|5 years 37 weeks ago||You have earned all the respect that is given||
You have my respect and thanks for your service and sacrifice!
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Stay safe and strong||
Thank you for your service to this Greatest Nation on Earth.
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Vietnam Veterans always have my respect||
Our country owes you and your generation a great debt for the sacrifices that were made. Thank you for your loyal service and I hope your days are filled with success and joy!
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Best Wishes||
Hope your brother and all of the men and women serving stay safe and strong.
Have fun at the 2010 game! Should be a great memory for both of you
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Unless he is injured - Denard is playing IMHO||
I can't see any situation that Denard redshirts unless he is injured for the season in the first couple of games. At all times this season, we are one Tate injury away from Denard being the starting QB. I can't see any situation next season where Rich Rod think he has a better football team with Denard not able to play. I also believe the coaching staff thinks that Denard is not as far behind Tate as some believe
With Red-shirts, you do the best you can to keep them off the field, but sometimes, either their talent or the need to have them play overrides all situations
"The past is history, the future is a mystery, the present is a gift we need to cherish"
|5 years 37 weeks ago||I think that he will do great from a skill role with move:||
I would just be concerned about his ability to block. Most of the other positions on O have a number of blocking responsibilities. If he has always played QB - they would need a fair amount of time to get him up to speed on blocking (S, LBs if he plays slot, LB, DE, DTs if he is a running back, picking up blitzers, etc). His speed only works if he can do the other things required of the position so that everyone in the stadium doesn't know the ball is going his way when he enters the game.
I struggle to see him being a 30-40 play guy at slot or running back if he is spending two years playing QB. I see better chance that he can improve passing enough to be a legit threat to Tate's job.
Just an opinion.
|5 years 37 weeks ago||The jump cut verses Iowa||
I'm a still amazed by the jump cut that Denard made, at full speed, during the last TD drive at Iowa. Like Kirk said "Pressing L1 on the controller"
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Columns in Roulette||
Columns pays 2 to 1 so you can cover 2/3 of the board and still make out. Ok - it is technically 24/38, but it has done me well in the past.
Hopefully you win enough to quit work forever
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Have to agree that Race has little in recruiting||
Race has very little to do with recruiting - ask Tommie Amaker verses Thad Motta in the Big Ten
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Look at the bright side||
your winning percentage can't drop much with future loss, but will double if they win the next game.
Got to like math working in your favor.
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Call the 888 route||
Who said this famous quote
"Just throw it deep down the middle of the field and hope for a pass interference, don't you think?"
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Not being critical at all||
I just never thought I would type those together. I guess it is like when Mr. Reese put chocolate and peanut butter together for that magical first time.
At some point - you will have to share the secret of how long that took. The fact that it flows well is very impressive and shows that someone wasn't sleeping in their English and Creative Writing classes.
If I can ever figure out how to give points - you got some!
Anyone want to give a guess on the over/under on the number of people who will try to steal that for some creative writing class - I'll set the bar at 2
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Wow! Impressive creativity!||
That is one of the most creative things I have ever read. Pretty impressive and you get a thumbs-up from me!
I'm also in shock that I am using the words "Alanis Morissette" and "Michigan Football" in the same sentence.
I guess "life does have a funny way"
|5 years 37 weeks ago||I guess we will have to agree to disagree||
We will just have to agree to disagree and let the results on the field speak for themselves going forward next year and in the future.
I will root like hell for them the win the next two games and will never question Rich Rod’s or anyone's desire to win for Michigan.
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Thanks||
Thanks for letting me join the debate tonight. I appreciate all of the passion for Michigan, since the rest of my household (the Mrs. is not a michigan grad) could give a shit-less about, using her words, "Those stupid-ass mother-fuckers ruining my Saturday". It was interesting to hear listen to other opinions and Michigan is lucky to have so many fans that give a shit. I only wish I had discovered this sooner.
Got to get some rest, you know, got to make the donuts tomorrow.
Our country would be in a lot better shape if we could create a politicsgoblog.com to intelligently debate the issues in our country
|5 years 37 weeks ago||I think that you are missing the point||
The defense was just a bad last year, but we said it was all Scott S's fault. This year, the reason it is bad is we just don't have talent and we need freshman all-americans to come to the rescue over the next couple of years. I just want to know, based on the original post, where has Rich Rod or his staff has either recruited or developed NFL caliber defenders. I agree the talent is thin, but some of the kids also played last year and two years ago etc and no one is getting better week to week. My concern is that Rich Rod doesn't spend enough time with defense and defensive recruiting and we all think he is going to recruit and sign defensive all-american after all-american or stud after stud. I want to see some empirical evidence that this will be the case. Did he go to WVU and improve their recruiting that they were gettting NFL caliber defenders or not. I am asking as a serious question.
I am not trying to be a dick about this.
|5 years 37 weeks ago||He's been the head coach - Isn't he responsible for everyone||
He is the head coach - isn't he responsible for everything in the program. I sure know Lloyd was crucified when something went wrong in his program.
Besides - Isn't this more a vote for Tony Gibson since he was the secondary coach or Jeff Casteel? Maybe we should keep Tony G and hope to get other teams (YAM) players for our secondary. Ryan went in the 4th round I believe. - I'll give you a point when I have the power to give points.
I'll give the board another since I am feeling better - Pac-Man Jones. You can think what you want as a person, but the fucker could cover.
That's two players for coach Gibson.
|5 years 37 weeks ago||You telling me that Lloyd Carr didn't develop players||
He had how many draft choices in 2007 alone, not including his career. It isn't like the underclassman were sitting in the corner jerking off during practice under Lloyd. I assume they were learning too. I think his strength and conditioning sucked balls, but he took 3 stars and made them starters in the NFL over his career.
I guess I want some examples where Rich or his staff developed NFL caliber talent, especially on D.
I really want Michigan to be successful, you can ask anyone who lives with me, that I am no fun to be around when they lose. I struggle to see empirical evidence that Rich Rod can develop players, especially D, to have a top ten team consistently in a power conference. I think he is the best offensive coach in America period, but I am pretty old school and thinks defense wins at the end of the day
I am looking for some examples from Rich's past
|5 years 37 weeks ago||I agree to a point||
I agree to a point, but doesn't this also speak some about the lack of development over the past couple of years, especially on D. I don't know if we will have the numbers, but isn't it logical to assume that some of the work to get people into the first round of the draft was due to coaches and staffs raising people's game. I struggle to see where we are radically behind all of the schools in the raw materials for having good players, especially on D, despite the documented results.
Plus, wasn't one of the arguments that Rich Rod could get top level results without a team of five star talent.
Not looking to pick a fight - just want to get some objective feedback on how much of a future player's success is high-school rankings, how much is pure talent, and how much is development by the college coaches.
Curious to hear the feedback.
|5 years 37 weeks ago||That's not what my friend at UF thinks||
One of my good friends went to UF during that time and no one thought the Zook left the program in good shape. Just lost to John Navarre and Michigan with Rex Grossman. He had recruits in name only and hardly developed talent on the field with results (Kind of like the same stuff I hear in Chicago about the illini) Meyer won with those kids and slowly adapted his offense to reflect the one today run with Tebow.
I am always looking to make my arguments better - Help me understand how my other examples are crappy.
Help me understand the game of football better.
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Didn't Pete Carroll develop Troy and Carson to greatness.||
I think that is the point that he is trying to make is that one of the qualities of good coaches is that develop the people they have on the roster. Troy P. wasn't an NFL all-pro on day one when he got to USC. Pete Carroll and his staff made him the player he was if I remember my USC history correctly. Christ - Lloyd Carr won the Big Ten title with John Navarre at Quarterback as a senior. Bob Stoops developed the players which were gotten by previous coaches.
It isn't like Lloyd took kids off the fuckin street for a team. They showed something to get a scholarship to Michigan and had other offers. I want to see Rich Rod develop players on defense. I don't think that I am being unrealistic about this expectation.
|5 years 37 weeks ago||Talent isn't the only thing that make a coach successful||
I had to register because I need get this off my chest. Talent isn't the only thing that makes a successful coach. It certainly helps, but it isn't the only thing. I think I have been around the block long enough to figure out you need to have an equal contribution between talent, strategy, flexibility to adapt to your teams strength, and the ability develop and get the best out of your players. I thought that Rich Rod was great and taking crappy players verses the big boy BCS schools and beat them. If the only hope is that Pat White and NFL caliber defenders walk though that door to be successful, we are pretty fucked.
My biggest concern about Rich Rod to date is that he has only demonstrated the strategy part well and seems pretty inflexible about adapting to the strength of his team. I love the O and want him to be successful more than anyone, but where is the ability the coach up people, especially on defense. Good coaches take bad players and make them better and take good players and make them great. I mean teams win superbowls with undrafted free agents playing. You can say a lot about Lloyd, and lord knows that I did, but Lloyd and his staff developed a lot of players in his tenure and it isn't like every single one was a five star out of high school. Most great players were developed a lot in college. It seems like everyone thinks that we are going to get All-Americans from day one out of high-school. Really doubt that is going to happen and these guys need to be developed, especially on defense.
Also, most successful coaches adapt to the talent of their teams and try to seamlessly integrate their systems as warranted. For Christ sake, Mike Tomlin was a 4-3 guy his whole life. When he got to Pittsburg, he saw that he had one of the best 3-4 on the planet and adapted to use the strengths of his team. Urban Meyer slowly switched Florida to the spread. Parcells threw 50 times a game in New England. Tressel ran the spread with Troy Smith. I can keep going if people want
Rich really needs to show the other successful qualities before I am certain that this will end well. Otherwise, we better have 11 all-American defenders show up with the next recruiting class or it will not be pretty for the foreseeable future. I hope he can do this, but too use the corporate analogy, I really haven’t seen any results that give me confidence this will be the case.
Neg-bang away if you wish.