Hoke was top notch at this aspect of his job.
|1 day 4 hours ago||I wouldn't go that far.||
I wouldn't go that far. Tressel was a very good football coach, and the only freshman to be a significant part of the 2002 team was Maurice Clarett, who would have gone to Ohio State regardless because he is the human embodiment of Tressel's Ohio State.
Their 2002 team was lucky, but Henson beating them in 2001 doesn't change anything about it.
|1 day 4 hours ago||Fargas was a good running||
Fargas was a good running back but:
|1 day 6 hours ago||Kansas. One football game in||
Kansas. One football game in Ann Arbor and a home-and-home in hoops. They'd love to get a team like Michigan on their basketball schedule to pad their RPI (our basketball teams with that one year's exception tend to do worse in the early season than the late).
Too bad we missed the Charlie Weiss era. Anyway they're a fun Power 5 program that probably won't threaten the football team and also will be recognizeable to fans, and would lead to a pair of really interesting basketball games.
Also would like a home and home with any SEC team but the SEC is very careful not to ever let one of its teams play an out-of-conference game in the frozen, 70-degree temperatures in Michigan in late September.
|1 day 23 hours ago||Ouch man. I killed that||
Ouch man. I killed that paragraph soon after posting--was trying to say "this isn't about the state" by arguing against obviously false underwritten assertions. But it didn't need the extra layers to make the point.
Thesis is at the top. Conclusion is at the bottom where it says "Conclusions?"
|1 day 23 hours ago||He DID have a decided||
He DID have a decided schematic advantage afterall. This is one hell of a scheme.
|2 days 1 hour ago||They're one and the same.||
They're one and the same. Michigan had several JV iterations before that. Orr jumped on it and packed the roster with whatever he could find. But I'll rework to clarify that.
|2 days 18 hours ago||That march has to have words.||
That march has to have words. I must learn them.
|4 days 2 hours ago||OT: 2016 Camaro||
OT: 2016 Camaro
|5 days 21 hours ago||Sometime soon after the||
Sometime soon after the kickstarter is funded we'll send out a link to a webform where you fill out where you want it sent. Just use the same email address so I can match you.
I NEVER SEE YOUR BILLING ADDRESS. That is handled by Amazon through their secure system so you don't have to give billing info to a blogger.
Repeat: I NEVER SEE YOUR BILLING ADDRESS. The address you provide when you fill out the webform on our store is the address it will go to.
|1 week 46 min ago||On the other hand I commend||
On the other hand I commend your use of alcohol to erase all memory of Talbott playing dime back in 2010, when opponents saw Michgian's depth chart and decided they'd go 4-wide all day and Michigan had to use Talbott and Avery together on half their downs. This happened. It didn't go very well.
|1 week 54 min ago||You should know this||
You should know this Ace!
Bandit: The weakside slot player (counts as a safety), 2/3rds safety, 1/3rd outside linebacker in a 3-4. Like the Spur except doesn't take on tight ends--often tracks down slot receviers in space. Jordan Kovacs played this except when they idiotically made him the free safety a few games in 2009. Furman was recruited to be a Bandit.
Spur: The strongside slot player (counts as a linebacker). 2/3rds outside linebacker, 1/3rd safety. "Meat raw" version of bandit--this means he takes on tight end blocks sometimes. Stevie Brown played this, then it was a rotation of Thomas Gordon, Carvin Johnson, and later Cameron Gordon. M-Rob was recruited to be a Spur. So was Brandin Hawthorne and a few others.
Spinner: The nominal strongside linebacker (counts as linebacker). 50% linebacker, 50% defensive end. This is where they put Roh when they had him in a 2-point stance. They also used JB Fitz here. The Spinner can back out in a true 3-3-5 or often comes down to line up like 4-3 over SDE but GERG didn't know how to use him so he had this guy in coverage all the time. Jake Ryan was recruited to play this. If Shawn Crable had infinite eligibility, or Pierre Woods for that matter, they would have been perfect for it.
|1 week 5 hours ago||At a bar in Nashville||
At a bar in Nashville visiting my best friend the weekend before a trade show I had to be there for. I think the "Bush Push" happened the same night.
|1 week 6 hours ago||OT: Faster than the speed of light?||
Your trains would be ripped apart by the pressure of Earth's atmosphere. Ultimately at speeds approaching the speed of light it's too difficult to keep any arrangement of molecules from running into each other and igniting fusion. That's why faster than light and near light speed postulating keeps coming back to warp: fold a bit of space so you're floating in a total 0 Kelvin vacuum while accelerating and creating a very angry ripple all around you (that doesn't accidentally destroy a star system it passes through).
The train theory is close to what they do at CERN except it's magnetic fields instead of trains. There are two "tracks" they accelerate and then they'll merge the tracks along the circle right where their recording equipment.
|1 week 6 hours ago||Too off topic||
Killed a bunch of threads that are way too OT. Let's keep threads to things that would be of interest to people coming to Michigan sports blog. Otherwise things like the Creaning of two more players gets shoved off the list before a lot of people have seen it.
Offseason off-topic: Has to be at least tangentially related to Michigan sports fans interests.
In-Season off-topic: Other NCAA teams, general U-M and Ann Arbor things, B1G things.
Always on topic: Michigan athletics things, Michigan opponent things
|1 week 6 hours ago||That's called the "profit."||
That's called the "profit." Brian and I don't pay ourselves--not even for our own writing--from this until all the overhead is covered. We set the kickstarter to cover the general overhead of production. If it makes just $30k we did it for free. That's not exact--each backer creates overhead because books are not cheap to produce or mail and t-shirts are even more expensive. Afterwards we gamble on how many to print for aftermarket sales, and there's still extra shipping costs and whatnot we accrue. Basically the kickstarter covers the things you get in the kickstarter, including producing the book. After that we try to make money because wives get pretty upset when we don't.
FWIW the breakdown is 30% to Seth, 30% to Brian, 40% to the site. HTTV proceeds are most of the capital for ventures like when we bought a new server and now for the grand site redesign Brian will get to one of these days.
|1 week 1 day ago||I was asked to participate in||
Because we were doing HTTV with that group I was asked to participate in the advance conversations that led to Webber's book. It's going to rival Pete Rose for most fictional biography in sports. You'll note nobody would publish it except the creep who promised to get HTTV in every store to get us to print way too many copies, then let your books sit on the shelves for weeks and sold diddly shit.
Webber is going to end up with a lot of boxes of unsold books at his own expense. The two deserve each other.
|1 week 1 day ago||The WR depth chart when I arrived at Michigan (1998)||
Split End: Tai Streets (Sr), Diallo Johnson (Sr), Marquise Walker (Fr)
Flanker: Markus Knight (Jr), David Terrell (Fr)
Y-Tight End: Jerame Tuman (Sr), Mark Campbell (Sr), Bill Seymour (So)
U-Tight End: Aaron Shea (Sr), Shawn Thompson (So)
They were pretty good.
|1 week 1 day ago||Rodriguez||
I wrote an article for MGo when the 2010 receiver class was being assembled called "Whence the Receivers" about how RR planned to make constant 4-verts the next iteration of his spread offense. Instead that happened at Ohio State. FMML.
|1 week 2 days ago||Well shit.||
|1 week 6 days ago||How would these kids get||
How would these kids get "burned?"
I thought the contempt for the public was rather Brandonesque. That this wasn't meant for the public was part of its charm because the performance was uniquely genuine. And the arrangement seemed meant for this informality--it is after all just Michigan's fight song and chants. Michigan fans loved it and that fact could mean a lot to the students and their department. Certainly we could live without it, but there ought to be a good reason to deny it to the public once it's already been viewed by four times the capacity of Michigan Stadium, not the other way around.
|1 week 6 days ago||Have you checked your email||
Have you checked your email inbox lately? MGoBlog is a magical place where things you wish for can suddenly appear.
|2 weeks 4 hours ago||BioDIEPsel is my brother and||
BioDIEPsel is my brother and occasionally me. Anyone with "DIEP" in their names are people I play with.
Make sure you yell lots of GO BLUE! and anti-Spartan crap when you find them because they're all Sparties.
|2 weeks 5 hours ago||Just a clerical mistake||
Just a clerical mistake because Madej was still live-updating roster data in 2012 when Denard had to play RB, and isn't around now to check off everything licensed for these kinds of mistakes.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Everyone--EVERYONE--is. We||
Everyone--EVERYONE--is. We know theirs, they know ours. There are degrees, particularly degrees of involvement of the coaches (some coaches you have to hide it from, some coaches will turn you if they catch you but won't act on suspicion, some coaches tell you to go talk to Mister X) and the program.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Thinly veiled? I said it||
Thinly veiled? I said it pretty overtly.
|3 weeks 23 hours ago||I agreed with you that I was||
I agreed with you that I was stunned Brady fell so far, though I wasn't on Montana level. My basis was Griese was an okay quarterback at that point in history, and I knew Brady was way better than Griese. His '99 comebacks (Indiana needed one, and then the Orange Bowl) sold me on him; in '98 I wasn't a fan so I had to come a long way.
Re:Dhani, I thought he'd be great. His name was just always being spoken on TV, or as the tackler in the Big House, or around campus for some poetry thing or whatever. Dhani seemed like the defense's superstar after Woodson. Him or Renes.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||He did well for those around||
He did well for those around him. Remember he centered the best line in hockey for a few years with Naslund and Bertuzzi.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Huh?||
|3 weeks 1 day ago||I can't tell you how much I||
I can't tell you how much I appreciate this comment. Thank you.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Where did you see an autoplay||
Where did you see an autoplay ad? There shouldn't be any running.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Only the 2013, 2014, and||
Only the 2013, 2014, and hoops books taste like Jimmy Johns.
The 2012 ones were printed on a recycled pulp that's almost identical in smell and texture to a Subway roasted chicken. We've learned a lot since then.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||We're checking it out; 90%||
We're checking it out; 90% sure they're Gildan Heavy Cotton shirts, unless Underground Printing (who supplies them) has changed up suppliers. My understanding is the American Apparel shirts cost us a LOT more, which would add up quickly when we're doing volume like this. They also don't last as long; part of having an annual shirt that's only for the kickstarter people is that it's supposed to last--you can never re-buy it, and it'll become a vintage shirt by being worn until it's vintage. My Woodson shadow shirt is finally entering this phase of its life cycle.
The American Apparel shirts are the shirts UGP prints the defunct sports team etc. shirts on--I designed the Bandwagon '89 shirt specifically for the American Apparels, but every other shirt we've done has been the Gildan heavy. We've always done the Gildan heavy for HTTV.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||When I got to talk to Marcus||
When I got to talk to Marcus Ray for a bit at one of Marlin's events last year I asked him about young safeties and communicating and he was adamant that it's not about youth: football at his level forces kids to grow up early, and there are guys who are confident and communicative and guys who are hesitant and will always be that way, and sometimes there are guys who are way too aggressive but that's rare. He was way more down on Jarrod Wilson than anyone on MGoBlog. But he also brought up Jamar Adams as an example of the right kind of guy and I'm like "they're exactly the same player, down to the uniform number!"
|3 weeks 6 days ago||If you have a nice-ish table||
If you have a nice-ish table (no glare) and a smart phone just take a picture. Just take a long breath and hold your hand steady when you take it.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||yes||
|4 weeks 1 min ago||Can't use just anything we||
Can't use just anything we find because if the author comes forward and says "don't use that" I can't reprint or make it right. Everything has to have the rights tracked or given personally.
|4 weeks 2 min ago||Way ahead of you. Dooley is||
Way ahead of you. Dooley is nearly done w/ his article; I have Sap's helment already in this article (by Kryk).
|4 weeks 5 hours ago||What about the guy whose||
What about the guy whose adult life began in the middle of the Great Depression, who scratched and clawed all his life to give his children a stable life in Ann Arbor, and took them to football games at Michigan Stadium every fall Saturday since 1950 while saving money to one day send two grandchildren to the University of Michigan, and was attending a Michigan softball game with them when I met him last week?
I appreciate your measured response to my calling you a name. I'm still putting you behind that guy.
|4 weeks 5 hours ago||MGoshirts||
|4 weeks 6 hours ago||I agree that the NCAA had||
I agree that the NCAA had little under the actual auspices of the NCAA to go on when instituting those sanctions. But this is one of those things--like a vigilante killing a murderer who got off on a technicality--where the actual method of justice disgusted me, but the punishment itself was just.
The NCAA's credibiilty in assessing punishment to Penn State was dubious; that Penn State deserved what they got--and didn't deserve to be let off the hook--is not.
|4 weeks 6 hours ago||How to WiFi Before WiFi||
Dr. Labes was the next door neighbor (nice guy, big M fan). So my brother and I decided we'd name the new dog "Doctor Labes." The afternoon of fun we got from this was totally worth the Saturday raking leaves on his lawn afterwards.
|4 weeks 7 hours ago||Cool story bro: My brother||
Cool story bro: My brother and his roommates in late college had a wifi named "The Sugar Mines." That's a cute name, but the problem is I'm still friends with all of these guys and whenever I go to their houses they all still have the same WiFi as my brother, and they all believe in changing up their passwords often. None of these people are willing to change the name of their networks after having it for a decade+ and Apple still can't figure out how to solve the "linksys" problem of affecting all networks by that name when you forget one.
Cooler story bro: Mine is Go Go Gadget Internet.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||The word has a particular||
The word has a particular meaning that includes all former students, not just graduates. That's why we have another word for graduates. You're a University of Michigan alum. Go Blue.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||ah that makes more sence.||
ah that makes more sence. easy fix.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Red is Hoke, Orange is||
Red is Hoke, Orange is Harbaugh.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Did I? That would obviously||
Did I? That would obviously be an error.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I'm totally hoping to revive||
I'm totally hoping to revive this thread I discovered while looking up stuff for today's column formerly known as Hokepoints.
Best athlete I grew up with was Matt Ishbia. He was one of the shortest kids in our grade, and a MASSIVE Michigan fan and because he basically ran recess the rest of the class all became Michigan fans. He lived on my block and bought me the Michigan football we used every recess until the Bad Boys and Fab Five switched us to basketball.
Ishbia ended up being the Andrew Dakich of Michigan State's 2000 Championship team. He took over a department of his dad's company and made it bigger than the company so he's doing well for himself now.
Close behind Ishbia was John Whitledge, a guy who moved here from California and rooted for UCLA. Whitledge was faster than Ishbia by just a little, and had model looks. Last I heard he was a clothing designer.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Ask Joey if he remembers Cat||
Ask Joey if he remembers Cat Rychlinski. She married one of my best friends--has twins plus a newborn and lives in Kentucky now.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||When someone applies the||
When someone applies the adjective "real" to "fan" my eyes climb into the tippytoppomost of my skull. There they'll remain they can be coaxed down with promises of things either the sun or the daughter are doing.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||I got far enough into that||
I got far enough into that game to reach a quest where you have to choose what to do about a pair of friends you discover have been hooking up. "Tell on them" is the answer that leads you to the most light points. There's your contrast between my view on the moral ambiguity of sex versus George Lucas's Paulish take on the same.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||yeah. Also expect a question||
Also expect a question in to YOU soon on an article about HSPs.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||From the podcasts. Brian||
From the podcasts. Brian calls them that all the time.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Close. You found the||
Close. You found the abandoned port-a-potties at base camp 1 in the foothills.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Unfortunately, like||
Unfortunately, like quarterbacks, OSU has so much fan goodwill they can afford to burn off a ton without effect.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Wrong on all accounts. The||
Wrong on all accounts. The sentiment around here is has long been we need facilities, and are glad Michigan has the very best, and need recruits, and seem to be getting some damn good ones, and we need spring attendance, and are really happy that this one had it.
And lest you forget the movement to remove the guys who thought we'll win because we're MIchigan began here.
|5 weeks 2 hours ago||Let's let Beilein recruit||
Let's let Beilein recruit 3-stars and J.J. Abrams submit his take on Star Wars before bringing in the amateurs.
That I could come up with a far better plot than George Lucas for the prequels is an indictment of George Lucas more than anything else.
|5 weeks 5 hours ago||It's contracts. 7 years is||
It's contracts. 7 years is the max length of a rookie contract, or how long he'll be restricted as a free agent. Guys who don't have it will peter out as teams give up on them, but teams will tend to hold onto assets they control; a guy who's just hanging on at the conclusion of that is less likely to be retained.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||I've got a question in to||
I've got a question in to Battier, who's a facebook friend, to see if I can get him to pop into the thread and reminisce.
I've never actually met him in person (just seen him in Birmingham) but our mutual friends hit some critical mass a few years ago and he was reading my posts.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||People said C-Webb's DCD team||
People said C-Webb's DCD team was unbeatable but when I was in high school they had Shane Battier and a handful of other guys who went to D-I schools. They won every game like 100-12.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||For his era he was the best||
For his era he was the best hitter of any shortstop except Ripken* and the best fielder except Ozzie Smith. Trammell was as consistently good in every facet of baseball as Barry Larkin, and better in every single facet of baseball, at a more important position, than Ryne Sandberg. In a pitcher's era Tram was on pace for 12 years to finish over .300 until injuries decimated the last handful he stuck around for. Ironically if he'd done steroids like half the league and 75% of the guys his age still in baseball by the mid-'90s there'd be no question right now.
Of the players to go to the Hall since Trammell's first year on the ballot, I'd only put Maddux, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Tony Gwynn, Rickey Henderson, and Cal Ripken again of Tram, though I wouldn't disclude the rest. Tram just happened to hit the list when people who hadn't watched him were doing most of the voting and this bullshit "good but not GREAT" label got slapped on him. What's a great shortstop then? Like four shortstops ever had better careers by the standards of the Hall of Fame than Alan Trammell. If a guy you're reading has a vote and doesn't give it to #3 he knows nothing about baseball and you should tell him you're not reading him anymore.
(And Halls of Fame are just museums to celebrate history of the sport and thus irrelevant in the scheme of things unless you're the kind of person who gets really upset over the disclusion of apatasours from dinosaur exhibits that claim to be comprehensive).
* Unless you want to count Yount as a SS but he split betweent that and OF
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Have you READ MGoBlog? I do a||
Have you READ MGoBlog? I do a fair enough job of keeping my rant on Alan Trammell to BlessYouBoys but surely you've noticed a rather hefty number of mentions of a certain slot receiver/cornerback/returner who gets like six snaps per game.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||HARBAUGH would have covered||
HARBAUGH would have covered the entire chart.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||I've never heard of Drake. I||
I've never heard of Drake. I swear. I had no idea until your post that was the name of the rapper, because I didn't even read that far in the article. I just typed in "music news" in google this morning hoping to find something of zero importance that I have never thought about to go in the chart, and right near the top was a thing about Madonna, whom I have heard of and can name many songs from.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||ABSOLUTELY! The love triangle||
ABSOLUTELY! The love triangle Lucas left out of the movies was one of the biggest oversights in a film that will go down as a textbook study of them. There was a deep pool of psychological and thematic characterization in that love triangle and i'll never forgive George Lucas for passing that up in favor of Jar Jar poop jokes.
FIrst of all Anakin should be older, a snotty teenager, when we meet him. It would make it more palatable that he's already got podracing skills, and also understandable why he'd be down with leaving his slave mom to go off planet with some monkish dudes with laser swords.
The age gap between him and Amidala should have been equal to that of her and Obi Wan to emphasize the dynamic--say 5 years each so they're 13, 18, and 23. That allows Anakin's nasty side to come out right away but also to be dismissed as teen-itude. It also makes it obvious why Amidala/Padme would be all up on the older soon-to-be-Jedi Knight who does heroic things and dismissive of the kid with a crush on her. This sets up a second film (when they're 18, 23, and 28 respectively) when we contrast Obi Wan spurning the relationship with Padme he desired because that's what Jedis are supposed to do, and Anakin being like "Eff that; Jedi should be the ones deciding what Jedi do."
The love triangle would have thus driven the moral subtext of all three films. Anakin is turned off the Jedi by their unreasonable doctrinal demands--the celibacy thing chief among them--and Padme may serve as the audience's moral conduit as she fights with Obi Wan over the subject, then hooks up with Anakin in part to demonstrate Obi Wan and the Jedi that their priestly otherness is wrong and only separates them from human(oid)istic concerns. But that turns to horror as step-by-step Anakin walks down his path to fascism. In the end of the 2nd film she discovers she's pregnant, and tells Obi Wan not Anakin because she's starting to see Anakin is carrying a shit ton of psychological baggage from 13 years as a slave.
In the last film, the babies are born and hidden early on, and Obi Wan breaks his Jedi vows by finally sleeping with her and is cast out of the Jedi Order ("I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father.) This explains why Obi Wan became kind of a free agent instead of one of the Jedi, and therefore rose to the rank of General under Bail Organa in the Clone Wars under the organization that would become the Rebel Alliance, as opposed to the Jedi Order which was wiped out except for Yoda.
As the 3rd story nears its conclusion, Anakin discovers all this, goes to track down Obi Wan, and finds Amidalah, at which point he's so overcome by rage he kills her--Not "from a broken heart" but from going RAGE on her with blue lightning over this betrayal. This raises the stakes of the final lightsaber duel between him and Obi Wan to epic proportions. They fight to a draw--the lava thing works but I'd have it so Anakin is cajoling Obi Wan into a dual-suicide finale and Obi Wan walks away instead, leaving Anakin to try to survive on a lava island or whatever. Obi Wan finds redemption for his "crime" by taking up hermitage on Tatooine to watch over his lover's baby son (along with mutual war buddy Owen Lars). Anakin crawls through lava, survives, and finally accepts the Emperor's offer to train him to control and channel his anger lest it consume him again.
It would also conveniently explain why Darth Vader won't use the dark side power of blue lightning (badly explained in canon as having to do with length of time served in the dark or whatever), preferring to duel Obi Wan and Luke with lightsabers in IV, V, and VI. When Vader ultimately turns on the Emperor for blue lightning-ing Luke, it's the ultimate redemption. Look at Vader's "face" here, and then imagine if he's literally watching the worst sin he ever committed being played out again:
...and having a chance to change it.
|6 weeks 51 min ago||Was Ed in Hawaii?||
Was Ed in Hawaii?
|6 weeks 1 hour ago||This is why we're into Aussies||
Watch how punting works here:
AFL players learn to get punts off from everywhere on a huge oval field while the other team is trying to tackle them. It is the primary offensive play, the way they score, and the way they long pass (to pass you have to punch it like a volleyball so hand passes are pretty limited in range). Everybody punts so you can get a really good athlete who's been punting the ball his whole life.
Put an Australian in an American football punting formation, where he has guys blocking for him, he gets to wear pads, and the other team's not even allowed to hit him, and once he's done laughing he will kick ass.
|6 weeks 2 hours ago||I love your work, but I'm||
I love your work, but I'm going to criticize this one because I don't like the concept.
The point of Godfather II is Michael does things with every bit as much competence and more than his father at the same age, as he sees it. He tries to take the Corleone family legitimate AND to new levels of money by trading in the New York racketeering business for casinos in Nevada and Cuba. He tries to be a better father, which he takes as literally defending his family, and figuratively defending his family by not involving them as much as possible in the family businsess.
But where his father builds willing loyalties (e.g. from a local landlord) with his cool geniality, Michael's cold logic and self-centeredness drive both his wife and his surviving brother to betray him. It ends with Vito's family around the table celebrating his birthday and mad at Michael for betraying Vito's wishes re: enlisting in the Army, and Michael sitting in a massive Nevada complex all alone.
It is surely one of the greatest stories told in recent memory, but I find nothing Harbaugh about it. I've made two Godfather MIchigan reference backgrounds--Donovan Warren having Fredo killed, and The Rodfather III for Rodriguez's third season that was conceptually great but undermined terribly by a bit of nepotistic blindness (listening to Gibson = Sophia Coppola). If there's a Harbaugh-like character in here it's probably Vincent Mancini.
|6 weeks 2 hours ago||90% Stays with the team he||
90% Stays with the team he shaped into a consistently competitive franchise again.
9% Goes to another pro team
1% Comes to Michigan
...is what I said last October about Harbaugh.
|6 weeks 5 hours ago||He committed to MIchigan then||
He committed to MIchigan then went on a 2-year mission.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Maybe using an old version? I||
Maybe using an old version? I did that with a list.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||OT: Buckeye Early Enrollee Given the Broom||
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Next home game is a week from||
Next home game is a week from friday v Indiana. Grass seats are $3, bleachers $8, seatbacks $10.
I recommend bleachers for 2 reasons:
Though regarding #2, if you're like me you might want to brush up on the faces of the players before you go, else find yourself in the embarassing situation of meeting a guy you could pump out 900 words about but don't recognize.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Harbaugh & American Sniper||
Deleted just the most political things, e.g. the guy who thinks F150s are poltiical statements, and a few that generated long political threads that were easiest to nip at the top.
Keep an eye on it.
[UPDATE: now locked, one relateively older poster banned for overt racism that tipped it over the edge. Thread was devolving into a spattering of people too quick to take offense, and a whole slew of assholes far too willing to give it.]
[UPDATE UPDATE: Cleaned up thread a tiny bit and handed out one more ban for someone who was all over the thread whipping up politics.]
|6 weeks 1 day ago||CSG should track down every||
CSG should track down every student who signed either petition, lock them in the League basement, force them to watch the movie together, then discuss it in an open forum for 2 hours. That would give us about 4 and a half blessed hours in Ann Arbor minus 400 college students of the type who GAF what movie they play on campus movie night.
Also if anyone would like to sign a petition or a counter-petition regarding the head coach of the football team and whether he should GAF about what movie they play on campus movie night, you may also participate in the screening and after-chat.
CSG could sponsor this event, which I am calling "A Night of Softball Without Annoying Students Who GAF What Movie They Play on Campus Movie Night." We will watch softball and speak of pleasant things together, like how nice it is that we finally have an insane person coaching our football team.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||THanks so much Sharik! I||
THanks so much Sharik!
I gotta start running these by you again before I post. At least I'm learning--you're hard on Henry and I see why but from an offense perspective I thought Cole made a good play by exploding off the line and hitting Henry before Willie and Blake have even made contact with each other. Is there a technique that can stop a tackle with that much get-off from blasting you down?
|6 weeks 1 day ago||I don't see any. All of the||
I don't see any. All of the "yours" are possessives, e.g. "Dammit [person] and your [thing you did]."
|6 weeks 2 days ago||It was Kerridge. [meaningful||
It was Kerridge.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Echo what Jon Ross had to say in the 11W thread|
|6 weeks 2 days ago||probably didn't get 30||
probably didn't get 30 upvotes there.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Yeah it's pretty hard to||
Yeah it's pretty hard to argue this one. To play Devil's Advocate, if OSU team docs are legit that's not something an 18-year-old wants to hear. This is pretty smokey though.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||How did you get to this||
How did you get to this answer before me?!?
|6 weeks 3 days ago||I'm not loving it either.||
I'm not loving it either.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||done.||
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Sometime in the process of||
Sometime in the process of winning six of the last seven, the most recent without even being competitive. The meme began in the Podcast after the 2013 game and still primarily gets brought up in that and Brian's speaking engagements.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Econ final same day French||
Econ final same day French term paper due
|7 weeks 2 days ago||April fools||
I like holidays, but people saying "MGoBlog claimed Peppers tore his ACL as an April Fools prank" would be the result and we would lose credibility.
Unless someone says different I subscribe to the "no damage of any kind" moral judgment of April Fools joking. This causes damage, namely to us.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||1. play video in browser 2.||
1. play video in browser
2. hit "print screen" when it gets to a part with the captioning
3. hit "paste" in image software
4. crop the rest of my screen including 90 articles I've been planning to read dating back to last fall (I PROMISE I'LL GET TO THEM EVENTUALLY GRANTLAND!)
5. Drag image file onto mgoserver in filezilla.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||READ TERRY PRATCHETT AND||
READ TERRY PRATCHETT AND WATCH BASKETBALL NEITHER OF THESE THINGS IS ON THE INTERNET WAIT I GET PAID WHEN YOU'RE ON THIS SITE READ MORE MGOBLOG I FEEL LIKE MY NARRATIVE VOICE DOESN'T MATCH the capsing anymore nevermind this thread's gonna die anyhow.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||WATCHING FUCKING BASKETBALL||
WATCHING FUCKING BASKETBALL WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE GO WATCH BASKETBALL
STOP BLOWING UP THE INTERNET GO WATCH BASKETBALL
|8 weeks 3 hours ago||Re: California I should have||
Re: California I should have noted that Morgan Trent moved to Michigan (Brighton) in early HS and went to OLSM before coming to Ann Arbor.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||You, sir, are welcome to be||
You, sir, are welcome to be on my lawn.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||It was the Big Ten we were||
It was the Big Ten we were waiting on. Ferentz had made it clear-ish that he doesn't care about Urban Meyer's problems.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||I like the Brady era sleeves||
I like the Brady era sleeves a lot, but I'm meh on more 'M's. Except for some of the uniformz what they've done with the away jerseys over the years hasn't bothered me. The one time I really got up in arms about the outfits was when they had to cancel the pre-gaming meeting for the trash tornado as everyone changed into the bumblebees. That time could have been spent rehashing the gameplan so we don't come out testing them deep in 45 mph winds.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Been planning an H4 on that.||
Been planning an H4 on that.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||I like the Tom Izzo Excuse||
I like the Tom Izzo Excuse Factory. I love it when a coach whines about what's going on even if the same thing and worse is probably going on for the other team and 200 other teams besides. I love that he starts each excuse with a paralipsis: "this loss was my fault, it's on me, but their guys were holding and bumping a lot out there and it's hard to coach when the other team isn't following the rules and not getting called for it, but I got to coach around that it's on me I have to do better."
Coaches should be screwball fans all the time. That way fans won't be able to shame each other all the time by following A newspaper columnist's sense of "sportsmanship."
|8 weeks 5 days ago||My point on Bolden was he OR||
My point on Bolden was he OR Ross could have redshirted. Gedeon absolutely could have since he was the 4th guy in a three-man rotation. Gedeon saw only a few snaps against Akron and though that game mattered, Gedeon's performance wasn't any better than we had out of the three starters. That was the year Morgan, Bolden and Ross were rotating in the MLB/WLB positions. They didn't need Gedeon to burn his redshirt.
The year before was a little different because Bolden was the early enrollee and most vocal guy on the unit, but Ross started passing him in late fall, and they made the decision to let them compete for the backup job behind Morgan. At the time and now I've been saying the same thing: redshirt ONE of those guys--whoever's behind at the last fall practice.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||This part I agree with and||
This part I agree with and always did:
I kept using Wilson as an example. Even though he only played about 12 snaps that would make it into a statistician's list of plays, he was 2nd on the depth chart at deep safety and was going to be starting most likely the following year. You have to play him, even though he's a guy you would probably get a better 5th year out of, because the team needed him playing.
You're missing the 1 cent $20 hypothesis entirely. It's 1 cent for, say, 55% chance at $20. It's from a mindfuck that gets passed around emails and the like where people are asked if they'd take $5 now or $50 in two years, but there's a 10% chance they won't remember to pay it (and you could die, etc.). Most people take the $5 but that is mathematically the wrong decision, because our brains are wired for instant gratification. The point is you're giving up a cent if Marvin Robinson rather than Dymonte Thomas is your punt and kickoff gunner for a season, and that's worth it for a 55% shot at a 5th year starting safety Dymonte Thomas.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||He relented on QBs and OL||
He relented on QBs and OL after I made that list.
We did refute the math. In fact we completely blew it up. The flaws in that argument we exposed are twofold:
1) 5th years are an option. So aftef four years:
Cycling more players through the program just to cycle them defeats the point of having more players coming through the program: more options.
2) Most of the 85 scholarships are not seeing significant playing time in any given season, so you are not using guys you were already not using.
The whole point of redshirting is you are giving up a miniscule amount of productivity for a shot a high level of productivity and no downside. He tried to argue this by saying coaches will hold onto 5th years to be safe but I showed over the last 20 years Michigan under various coaches let enough 5th years go unrenewed that Harbaugh would have to be dramatically more loyal/conservative than Carr for this to be a concern.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Isaiah Thomas. Not Isiah the||
Isaiah Thomas. Not Isiah the Piston -- the one who was with Phoenix until recently. Shorter, great feel for the game and decent offensive abilities. But I'm not the hoops expert so I bet you other readers can come up with better.
|9 weeks 17 hours ago||Don't forget Bacon. Oh man||
Don't forget Bacon. Oh man now I wish you'd done this. That could have been my presentation: we bring these kids in and don't tell Brian what's about to be pitched to him.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||I understood he wasn't but I||
I understood he wasn't but I don't remember where i got that from.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||Let me get my argument straight||
Conceptually we agree: I want minor conference champions to get an autobid, but I want them to draw a line between minor conferences and a wholly different level of competition that "Division I" no longer does.
What bothers me that a three-game winning streak in the SWAC earns that team a bid over a more deserving minor conference team that had a much better season. Murray State didn't lose from November 30 until a 1-point upset in the Ohio Valley Conference Tournament, which happened to be held in the home city of the team that upset them. But there's only one autobid for the OVC and precious few spots for at-large teams.
Michigan proved what it is this year against plenty of top competition while 15 seeds sometimes make surprising runs they otherwise would never had the opportunity to play.
The NCAA could throw more really good teams into the mix if it opened up some spots it doesn't need to preserve, and when there are two minor conferences so dramatically behind the other minor conferences, those autobids become low-hanging fruit. A great SWAC or MEAC season can still get a bid--and they have in the past. I just don't think the NCAA needs to (sometimes additionally) save a spot for a conference tournament that on average yields a team that would have six wins if it played in the MAC.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Nevermind was posted 28 hrs before me||
From title my first thought was this guy was born Sept 24, 1991
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Lewan's twosie||
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Ojemudia forever!||
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Alan Branch killing things then walking away.||
|9 weeks 3 days ago||My first gif for consumption (none of these are memes shut up)||
|9 weeks 3 days ago||The time I changed Brian's avatar||
|9 weeks 3 days ago||
|9 weeks 3 days ago||That one time someone read||
That one time someone read Dear Diary.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Bythe got expensive as hell||
Bythe got expensive as hell and we can use Twitter for free. I hope Twitter gets better at it. Find me a new system that isn't more expensive than any sponsor should be asked to pay and I can try to sell it.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||I feel like Serville gets the||
I feel like Serville gets the A.J. Williams treatment around here. We mad that Trouba and Merrill left, and you can't get mad at freshmen for being freshmen, or Chiasson because he's Heiko's size, or Lohan because he's Lindsay's 6'5 cousin. But then here's a drafted senior who's 6'3 and over 200 (by now right?) who should be 1st pair by now and instead his game is still full of "argh." I think on a deeper team Serville should have gotten a look as a grind line winger. He's never been the guy I want back there, but he's a guy I think would do well chasing somebody super talented around the ice. He can skate fine.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Nobody's arguing that||
Nobody's arguing that immediate starters should start. These are all arguments to immediately burn the redshirts of Matt Godin and Jeremy Clark and Jehu Chesson (OP has since backed off on QBs, OL and TEs) so you won't be tempted to bring them back in 2016, and so they'll be a smidge more motivated, and so Michigan can take a swings on recruiting six more guys after Andre Criswell.
You're making a blanket statement but where are the exceptions? What if a true freshman is indistinguishable from four seniors at his position? What if a true freshman slot receiver is a smidge better than your 2nd string slot receiver, and you use a slot receiver on 2% of plays? What if a highly athletic guy who played a different position than you plan to use him gives your punt coverage team an average 0.05 yards per punt over the course of the season?
|9 weeks 3 days ago||You could apply all of those||
You could apply all of those guys to every one of those answers. I just broke them up by position because there were so many. Read it as if I'm saying there's like a hundred seasons worth that we got back by ignoring each of your ancillary concerns. Or if you back off on TE and OL and QBs, there's 73 guys left, including Drake Johnson, Allen Gant, Chris Wormley, Jehu Chesson, Jeremy Clark, Matthew Godin, Tom Strobel, and Willie Henry who thanks to voluntary redshirts will still be around in 2016, or not if Michigan chooses not.
What about DL, for whom size and technique are huge? Or LBs who need to learn quick read/reactions? Or receivers, who stand out if they're ludicrous athletes but otherwise dramatically improve year by year with better routes and moves and understanding of coverages just like quarterbacks? Or safeties who are the quarterbacks of the defense these days and who modern offenses pick on the most? I'll make this same case for everyone but RBs and CBs to argue about whether they should give up their 5th years for all the other reasons.
If Ohio State has a weakness it's that Urban has a deserved reputation as a dishonest guy for pulling maneuvers like that. We shouldn't emulate bad things they do because they are sucessful at them.
The value judgements we're making are provable. Attrition is a relatively known rate (the 55%s are rare and speak to major things going on beyond the scope of a program for which redshirting is reguarly an option) , and an experienced starter's projected value to a team is calcuable as is the value of a spot special teamer. We already know a starter versus a special teamer is 20-to-1 because PAN says so.
The last shred of "you don't know" comes from "well coaches see things and players are motivated in ways you plebes don't understand." Three, four years ago I'd give you that, but I've spent the intervening time talking with lots of football guys and I call BUULLLLLLLLSHIT. Coaches want to win and keep their jobs (which is not the same thing as longterm program health). Players want to play, keep their scholarships, stay healhty, and make it to the NFL. Both groups include some of the most highly motivated people in the country. Players and coaches also plot just like any other groups of people: some are forward-thinking and others are very now-oriented. Defeating our psychology and doing the right thing is what we use hard things like math for. The team is best served by having better, bigger, faster, stronger, better coached, better prepared players and that's what redshirting gives you for pennies on the dollar.
Thirty more recruits every 5 years is yummy, but the value of extending the bottom of your recruiting class is far less than an option on a 5th year on your recruiting class. You presume because Michigan averages 3.7 stars that we'll get 4-stars, but every recruit is a guy you have to sell on the school and the program, and extending the class brings diminishing returns.
What you're getting is first to sixth guy(s) they were going to offer after Jason Foster ('96), Will Peterson (97), Deitan Dubuc, Greg Brooks, James Taylor, Jacob Stewart, Spencer Brinton, Paul Sarantos, Brandent Englemon, Grant DeBenedictis, Andre Criswell, John Ferrara, Marrell Evans, Justin Feagin, Teric Jones, D.J. Williamson, Tamani Carter, Reon Dawson, Brady Pallante, or whoever ends up being the last guy in this class. A few more swings even in that pool is bound to produce some good players--never a Heisman--but optional 5th years are dramatically better bets, AND they're optional, so if they're not better bets you can still go recruit the next guy down the list. At best you find an Englemon; some years you're offering the sixth guy you wanted after Andre Criswell.
What you're talking about are ONLY ancillary benefits. There are ancillary benefits of redshirting too: a year to get acclimated to college life and classes, less coursework in individual semesters (though this is offset at Michigan by NCAA's credit hour demands and Michigan's annoying habit of making high-level courses fewer credit hours, and that most 5th years graduate in December), a far lower chance of transferring, and for the player it makes him more worth the coaches' limited time.
The overwhelming evidence supports redshirting guys who won't be playing valuable snaps (Wilson played valuable snaps) because it's a 1-for-1 trade of a year when a player is of not much use to you, for a year when you can keep him if he's of use to you and don't have to if he's not.
And to address something from the thread above: Harbaugh's Stanford 80-percent retention rate times $15 = $12.00 = FOUR times $3.00.
Side note: stop saying Mike Hart when you want to point out a 3-star. Hart went to a tiny school in NY who popped onto their radars because he was suddenly shredding NY State records, and as soon as they saw his film Michigan was all over him despite having Dave Underwood, Jerome Jackson, Pierre Rembert, and Tim Bracken ahead, 4-star Max Martin in his class, AND 5-star all-everything Kevin Grady already committed for the following season. That was a weird under-the-radar thing that happens less often now that private (OLSM) and magnet (Cass Tech) schools recruit more. You aren't getting a potential Mike Hart when you take a consensus three-star, or a Jake Ryan for that matter. You get those guys by culling the lower ranks of high schools where standouts are beating up on future dentists and bloggers, and getting lucky enough to stumble upon the rare thing, know what you've found, and he wants to come to your school. Because Michigan got lucky once does not raise the chances that we will get even more lucky in a completely different scenario.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||and Ryan Mundy was only a||
and Ryan Mundy was only a medical redshirt. I was going for non sequitur
|9 weeks 5 days ago||You Said: "Most freshman that||
Here are 131 anecdotes of when you were wrong:
Zach Adami, Kurt Anderson, David Baas, Jeff Backus, Greg Banks, Ricky Barnum, Willis Barringer, Rondell Biggs, Mark Bihl, Grant Bowman, Eric Brackins, Tom Brady, David Brandt, Steve Breaston, Joey Burzynski, Tyrece Butler, Mark Campbell, Clint Copenhaver, Shawn Crable, Julius Curry, Markus Curry, Kenny Demens, Joe Denay, Carl Diggs, Perry Dorrestein, Scott Dreisbach, Kevin Dudley, Tyler Ecker, Brandent Englemon, Obi Ezeh, Juaquin Feazell, Jay Feely, John Ferrara, Adam Finley, J.T. Floyd, Steve Frazier, Jake Frysinger, Jeremy Gallon, Brendan Gibbons, Jason Gingell, Graham Glasgow, Cameron Gordon, Thomas Gordon, Brian Griese, James Hall, David Harris, Will Heininger, Leo Henige, Norman Heuer, Victor Hobson, Steve Hutchinson, Mark Huyge, Jon Jansen, DiAllo Johnson, Will Johnson, Bennie Joppru, Anthony Jordan, Cato June, Joe Kerridge, Mike Kolodziej, Jordan Kovacs, Adam Kraus, Mike Kwiatkowski, Shawn Lazarus, Kevin Leach, Matt Lentz, Jeremy LeSueur, Taylor Lewan, Jake Long, K.C. Lopata, Roy Manning, Tim Massaquoi, Michael Massey, Patrick Massey, Ben Mast, Tim McAvoy, Scott McClintock, John McColgan, Elliott Mealer, Zoltan Mesko, Andy Mignery, David Molk, David Moosman, Courtney Morgan, Mark Moundros, Jonas Mouton, John Navarre, Obi Oluigbo, Patrick Omameh, Mark Ortmann, Tony Pape, Dave Pearson, Dave Petruziello, Marcus Ray, Rob Renes, Joe Reynolds, Rueben Riley, Eric Rosel, Roy Roundtree, Dan Rumishek, Jake Ryan, Stephen Schilling, Michael Schofield, Bill Seymour, Jon Shaw, Aaron Shea, Demeterius Solomon, Glen Steele, Adam Stenavich, Charles Stewart, Jacob Stewart, Rob Swett, Sam Sword, Carl Tabb, Brian Thompson, John Thompson, Shawn Thompson, Fitzgerald Toussaint, Morgan Trent, Jerame Tuman, Jeremy Van Alstyne, Ryan Van Bergen, Jay Vinson, Quinton Washington, Steve Watson, Andre Weathers, Brandon Williams, Josh Williams, Eric Wilson, Pierre Woods, Chris Ziemann.
I'm sure after reading that your palm and your forehead are pretty sore, but please add an extra hard one for each Tom Brady Superbowl victory anway.
Those guys all started (or are expected to start) at least two games as 5th year seniors for Michigan, and were voluntarily redshirted as freshmen (or in Kovac's case, didn't even make the team).
|9 weeks 5 days ago||My rebuttal||
Darn. /drops mic.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||Here's the fisk.||
Wahoo fisked your article so thoroughly I initially didn't feel the need to rebut. I think you have a few small, situationally salient considerations that don't in any way constitute a complete argument. They're more like "that would suck if it happens" things.
To rebut your rebut:
|9 weeks 5 days ago||Ringer isn't a very good||
Ringer isn't a very good example since he was hurt that year. He also enrolled early in hopes of winning early PT. We can't really know whether they would have redshirted him otherwise. On one hand he was Larry Foote sized so obvious redshirt. On the other hand there was a ton of competition for WLB and with a spring under his belt he might have been right there with Hawthorne and Herron at the start of the season.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||nice research. Cernak said he||
nice research. Cernak said he was Harbaugh's backup in 1985. It could mean Zurbrugg was 2nd string but Zurb was not very good in '84 so it's plausible Bob passed him.
Anyway that's what i was.going on.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||^This.We're more like 6||
We're more like 6 million in the offseason. When there isn't a coaching change it comes up in August for preseason and then dips every loss, with occasional blips for major recruiting news. Coaching searches are a madhouse. Bad seasons really cut into our numbers.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Not true||
I'm friends with Kyle Anderson's wife. Apparently he read this thread and said some of these guys weren't quarterbacks that year, and Anderson himself was on crutches in '85.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||The people making the book||
The people making the book are the same scammers who caused us to take a massive loss on HTTV last year (and utterly wiped me out).
I don't care much for Webber either.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||It wasn't a hit piece; if you||
It wasn't a hit piece; if you don't believe me that my intention was informative regarding the state of the roster then I need to earn your trust better.
I can say quite definitively that Hoke's redshirt policy had absolutely ZERO to do with Hoke's diminishing success* over his tenure, because his tenure was four years and the period of effect on a redshirt decision is five years.
So when I say that this is all about setting expectations for 2015-2018, that's not just my opinion or some shade--it's fact. The redshirt decisions of 2011 affect 2015, the redshirt decisions of 2012 affect 2016, etc.
*He won a Sugar Bowl and fixed the defense. You can't say "no" success.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||We're kind of debating all||
We're kind of debating all over this thread now and sorry about that. In this case you're offering to sell us a year we already have.
The burned redshirt doesn't give you insurance against an injury. It's the opposite: a redshirt gives you insurance against the NCAA not giving your guy a medshirt because, for example with Pipkins, your year-long ACL injury happened two snaps too late.
It's the same philosophy as the bond: cash it in for a sure $1 now, or take a 30% chance it won't be worth anything in 4 years (and a 70% chance it will be worth between $15 and $25). The only difference is there's an added 1.5% chance that if you cash it now you might get zero now and get back the 5th year.
Another consideration is injuries ahead of him. If you redshirt him and later his freshman year his position group starts getting really injured, you still have the option to yank the redshirt. In bond terms, if your bond appreciates to $10 all of a sudden, and you need $10 right now for emergency surgery, you have asset either way.
Countess is a straw man. He wouldn't have redshirted in his circumstances because he won a STARTING job. Nobody's arguing you redshirt a starter or even a guy who's going to get substantial rotational snaps on the two-deep. What we're talking about is guy who's not on the two-deep and plays special teams and maybe a few garbage time snaps.
The lesson is the same: if you need him, play him. If you don't need him, redshirt.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||That article was not, by the||
That article was not, by the way, where the nickname "Lurch" came from. That was coined by David Malak in 2000 after UCLA.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Because we want to be||
Because we want to generate realistic expectations for Harbaugh's Michigan, and when we note that Hoke recruited good classes that stuck around that suggests those expectations either need to be really high or something else went wrong (e.g. the talent wasn't evaluated well).
Specifically, Michigan has 27 juniors on the projected 82-man. That is going to be hard to replace when they're out of eligibility in 2016, especially once attrition takes the 3-5 guys it usually does from other classes.
Also we've been mentioning the redshirt thing recently as an example of something Hoke was doing for Hoke reasons. I wanted to have one place where I really laid out the argument and supported it in evaluations made at the time the decisions were.
It also gives us a broader understanding of redshirting and its results.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||I can't (and hope I didn't)||
I can't (and hope I didn't) say one was an obvious choice over the other. I picked an "either-or" in those but the point of the category was the coaches should have made a decision to choose one or the other (and I highlighted the one that was from a fan perspective the more likely).
In each case I said redshirt the guy behind unless there was a specific circumstance. Like in 2011 Michigan had nobody to generate extreme, drive-ending plays from DE except Clark, whereas they had a developed version of Beyer in Roh, so even if Beyer was ahead of Clark in his reads and responsibility, Clark brought greater value to the 2011 team and was thus the choice to play early.
With Lewis and Stribling, Jourdan was the more developed and played earlier. Stribling is a taller guy but weighed nearly the same as Lewis. They were neck and neck, but the coaches could have seen that Stribling at the time had more ceiling and Lewis had a higher 2011 floor. If they'd chosen Lewis instead of Stribling I'd have been fine with that. With any of the either/or's really. The point was they didn't need to play both if there was PT enough for one backup.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||So add that into the factors.||
So add that into the factors. It's a small chance of that happening. Anyway Hayes left in part because they fired Hoke; if you're Hoke in 2011 deciding what to do with a really skinny Justice Hayes who's behind a bevy of other options, you don't say "well if I get fired he might grad year transfer elsewhere so I'd better make sure he doesn't have that option."
Your point is valid only in that attrition of all kinds diminishes the projected value of a 5th year guy. It's the old bond gambit:
Say I offer you an MGoBond that is worth $5 if you turn it in to me right now. However you can also wait 4 years and turn it into me, and I'll give you $25. However there's a 30% chance I will have forgotten and tell you to eff off. Mathematically you should see this as on one hand you get $5.00 and on the other you get $25 minus 30% = $17.50--no contest. But your brain is wired to fool you into believing that you need your $5 now.
There's more to it because 82 scholarship limits and variable values, but in both cases you are looking at a substantially higher value in the future.
The 82 sholarshipo limit is irrelevant to this because you have an option not to renew a 5th year--he will be using up a scholarship for the first four years either way, and using one the 5th year only if he's worth it to you.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||But the basis on which I said||
But the basis on which I said to redshirt Taylor was that he wasn't going to play as the sixth cornerback, meanwhile he had a frame that could add weight and could project as a possibly good 5th year senior.
It's a value prop. Ray Taylor playing behind Hollowell in 2011 provides an insignificant value to the team, since he didn't get any valuable experience and didn't contribute beyond replacement. Freshman Ray Taylor was right in front of the coaches so they should have been able to recognize his value to the 2011 team. By playing him then we got close to zero value for him in 2011 and zero value for him in 2015. By choice they could have made it zero value from him in 2011, and the potential for signficantly higher value in 2015, with the option to replace him if he wouldn't provide it. There is a chance he may transfer or get injured or not be good so lop off percentages in making the decision, but minor percentages that don't really move the needle. Most likely you'll still have the guy after his 4th year, at which point you can make a decision on him.
All else is irrelevant to a decision made in 2011.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Awesome. I'll email you.||
Awesome. I'll email you.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||I always derp that. I also||
I always derp that. I also have to double check myself on every Jerome/Jeremy Jackson. Fortunately I did so before posting this one.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||Yeah we don't know. It still||
Yeah we don't know. It still matters; if Hoke was on the recruiting trail handing out promises of freshman playing time to guys who weren't capable of it, that hurts the team.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||I think the point is I||
I think the point is I painstakingly went back through our records of situational details, as well as being on anybody's short lists of people who obsessed over them at the time.
That's why you're on MGoBlog: we are crazy about the situational details. This whole article was a "remember the situational details before we judge" study.
/throws up hands.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||I tried to check all of these||
I tried to check all of these for hindsight by re-reading the relevant HTTV (post-spring) articles and Brian's pre-season (post-fall) articles to remember exactly where the position battles stood at the opening of those years.
For example Jake Ryan in 2011 was starting out as the backup to Cam Gordon, but flashed ability in a standout spring in which he demolished his helmet. Gordon played Spur the second half of 2010--not a hugely different position. Either brought more to the position than Beyer, who was being used as a rush end from the start. Clark and Beyer were always in a pile together, just as Ross and Bolden were.
There is a certain type of coachderp that guys like me complain about consistently because coaches can't give us the straight answer that explains it. I suspect in a lot of these cases Hoke make recruiting promises, or like in the case of Ross and Raymon if the guy who should have redshirted was outplaying the other guy, and the other guy had a better case to not redshirt. Since I don't have access to those conversations I have to point at the decisions that damaged the team. Before we indict Hoke for all of them, however, I recognize that he might have had some good reasons that he can't publicize.
Carr had plenty of head-scratching non-shirts too. One I'm familiar with is Braylon, because I semi-know him (he owns a restaurant in LA with a friend of mine) and got the story (apparently this was known already: he told Carr he wanted the #1 jersey and Carr said earn it and he said I can't if you have me on the bench and Carr gave him a list of things he had to do to get off the bench).
|10 weeks 3 days ago||eh no.||
On class normalization: Schools sometimes take fliers they play right away to fill an immediate gap but that's not the same as, say, taking Da'Mario Jones then burning his redshirt so he won't steal a scholarship in 2017. For the same cost you can redshirt him then if he doesn't pan out you don't renew his 5th, which is standard practice.
The ultimate effect of Hoke's burned redshirts is we now have 27 guys on the roster whose elibility is up after 2016. When you add even a smidgeon of normal attrition Michigan would need to take THIRTY guys in the 2017 class to just hit 82 scholarships. If his plan was to normalize class sizes, he would have played everyone from the 2011 class and redshirted every man possible from 2012. He did not that.
On wasting a 5th year to know NOW: They have five days of practice for every game they play, plus fall practice plus spring practice. And the game situations they used them in were not very telling. You do that if you need to play a guy next year and he's already #2 on the depth chart, e.g. Wilson. But ensuring you'll have no upperclassman safeties in 2017 to get seven snaps worth of data points on which safety will be #2 perhaps in 2014 is a massive waste.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||You don't get Mike Harts for||
You don't get Mike Harts for free. Michigan is looking at either Blake Countess as a press corner (we didn't like that very much last time for REASONS) or possibly their 5th year grad transfer. If they had Taylor they probably don't take Wayne Lyons. Maybe Lyons is good, but Taylor knows this system, knows the program, and after years of studying exactly that question we determined he IS good.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||I did a study on this at his||
I did a study on this at his commitment.
|11 weeks 3 hours ago||They're trying guys out at||
They're trying guys out at different spots what I've heard, especially fullback and tight end. Folks are going to jump all over these as the leak out because in several cases it seems to suggest guys who aren't in line for PT at their recruited positions aren't going to work out.
That will indeed prove to be the case in a few spots, because so it goes, but separating those from dudes looking to get a little more early playing time is really hard given the nature of the the pre-break practices. The staff was trying to see what they have, and were encouraging anybody to try out for snaps at positions of need, particularly the TE/H-back roles Harbaugh loves, where they're thin (Khalid Hill is coming back from injury and they're rightfully being careful).
In some places it's possible to get the wrong idea. Winovich is a good example; he tweeted that he's trying out H-back, and immediately I thought of the thin depth chart at LB after this year. But consider Winovich will never project as an MLB type--he's ideally a 4-3 under SAM, or a 3-4 "Cat" OLB. If he was larger I'd wonder if they could move him into the WDE competition, but at 230 lbs that's sub-optimal. Snaps after spring break will be going disproportionately to the 1st and 2nd teamers, and Winovich's position currently has Ross, RJS, and Gant using up the 50% of snaps that the SAM is not pulled for the nickel. It's also a more instinct-driven position than the middle LB spots, so losing development time there isn't as much of a concern.
His best asset is that Jake Ryan-esque quick burst. Translated to H-back, remember that power running is essentially a race to the point of attack. A great blocking H has to explode off the snap and often get across the formation before an edge attacker (DE or OLB) can flash and squeeze down the hole. The more explosion from your H-back, the bigger the hole.
|11 weeks 4 hours ago||If Rosenberg didn't condemn||
If Rosenberg didn't condemn it, it must be okay.
|11 weeks 5 hours ago||T-shirt in the works.||
T-shirt in the works.
|11 weeks 7 hours ago||Gardner wouldn't be eligible||
Gardner wouldn't be eligible this spring even if he was enrolled since he has secured an agent and taken royalty payments. Also I expect every person in Ann Arbor has bought him a beer by now.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||That and I know a guy at the||
That and I know a guy at the practices. He posted here before and got in trouble but I find places to leak that which he offered for leaking.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||You're talking about more of||
You're talking about more of an under and yes I believe they plan on having and under or 3-4 look with Wormley at SDE and RJS at SAM and Ojemudia/Marshall maybe in a two-point stance.
In their base over formation the SDE takes on the Y tight end and sets the edge, and the C gap is usually the responsibility of a linebacker. So you're not looking for a plugger there so much as a guy who can get up field in a hurry to generate lots of sacks and hurries, while being bih enough that the offense can't get a double wide hole by doubling him with the TE and OT. Shilique Calhoun and before him Will Gholson put up big sack numbers from SDE. That's what they're hoping to get out of Taco.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||yes. reworded.||
|11 weeks 2 days ago||It's leet for Ha or Harbaugh.||
It's leet for Ha or Harbaugh. I asked readers for a new name for Hokepoints and this is what they came up with. We split Hokepoints into a general football X's and O's and history and whatnot column (H4) and a let's play with stats and spreadsheets column (Jimmystats)
|11 weeks 2 days ago||I do remember it and got a||
I do remember it and got a refresher while doing this article. Luck's recruiting story happened mostly his junior year, so while he was a 2008 recruit his stories were rolled up into the 2007 class articles. That's why I remember it better than I would otherwise--Mallett was in those articles.
He went to a school in Houston that's called the Spartans and wears green and white and uses MSU's logo. However he wasn't very "Texas." Luck was born in Washington D.C. (his dad was a former West Virginia AD) and grew up mostly in Europe (London, Frankfurt, forget where else) so he wasn't a UT or A&M fan like his classmates. Actually he liked soccer--his dad started the MLS team in Houston. If any school had an inside track it would have been West Virginia, but Rich Rodriguez wasn't an Andrew Luck kind of offense and Rich Rod wasn't going anywhere (...until 8 months after Luck committed to Stanford).
He did go to Texas's camp but didn't get an offer--they were all in on Garrett Gilbert (and OC Colt McCoy's little brother). They offered RGIII as an athlete and didn't offer Johnny Manziel because they were looking at him as a defensive back.
From the get-go he wanted to go to an elite academic institution, and was looking at things like Rice and Northwestern (and Purdue). Michigan didn't get into it because we were courting Mallett, and Threet was transferring in, so Lloyd expected they could get by with Weinke in the 2008 class unless like Les Miles or Mike DeBord or Kirk Ferentz or whoever took over Michigan wanted someone else.
Alabama was recruiting him heavily and they were probably the stiffest competition at the start (Saban was in year 2) but Luck was making comments like he didn't want to go somewhere that he'd need to sign autographs in class and dropped them behind the trio above. Stanford was the most likely destination for him before they signed Harbaugh, and once they did, Jim made a visit to Houston and got mustard on his shirt and Luck loved him immediately and it was a fait accompli. Luck officially committed in June 2007 after visiting and meeting Bill Walsh and Joe Montana, though Stanford was the presumed choice since signing day.
If other coaches tried to recruit him after he committed it didn't register in recruiting news, probably because once Stanford upset USC that year it was obvious Harbaugh had them on the right track, and he was walking into a situation where if he didn't win the job earlier he'd be a redshirt sophomore when Pritchard cleared out.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||They had some injuries and||
They had some injuries and yes the receiver corps was falling off. The biggest thing I think that happened to their offense this year is the running game fell apart with a lot of injuries and holdouts and new offensive linemen, and first Gore and then several other backs got hurt. Harbaugh's offense really functions on the ability to manball and when they could no longer run as well defenses got merciless, attacking Kaep off the snap more often. He's a decent QB but not a great one, and once he started getting whacked a lot per game his efficiency dropped from top third of NFL QBs to just under average, and he got caught with more INTs.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Invest in Harbaughs.||
Invest in Harbaughs.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Thanks. Wasn't it Kelvin||
Thanks. Wasn't it Kelvin Grady who caught that pass though? I remember he caught two yards past the 1st down marker and was hit mid-air, which pushed him back those 2 yards because he was a slot bugger.
|12 weeks 3 hours ago||Year?||
<--- Groves '98. Scriptor, ski team.
|12 weeks 3 hours ago||I like sports.||
I like sports.
|12 weeks 4 hours ago||I would have answered white||
I would have answered white and gold and and wouldn't ever have imagined people saw differently. I saw the black shawl-like thing in the background and ruled out any black that way.
|12 weeks 4 hours ago||I'm a white-gold extremist apparently||
Even now at the far right I see only a white and gold dress that is being put through a blue shadow filter.
|12 weeks 5 hours ago||And $100 gift certificate. I||
And $100 gift certificate. I think it's more like "if you're buying a house use this guy."
FWIW our email subject thread was "HATS ARE FOR CLOSERS"
|12 weeks 1 day ago||There's another quote I||
There's another quote I skipped but I love. He was asked if Alex Smith is questioning his confidence and Harbaugh said:
"It's just a lot of gobble gobble turkey."
Asked to clarify he was like:
"You know: just gobble gobble gobble turkey from jive-turkey gobblers. You know? It paints a pretty good picture. He's a pretty confident guy."
|12 weeks 1 day ago||No Sharp||
the reason for the no sharp rule us he practices annoyance journalism. Drew just writes stuff to make people say omigod did you see what this asshole said?!?
Nobody should reward him or the freep for that by playing his game. Just ignore Sharp.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Because it comes off the||
Because it comes off the machine easier if it's flat and people can then make their own bend. I know leaving it flat with the sticker on became fashionable at some point (is it still or is that dead please say it's dead) but the point is for each person to bend to the shape of his/her forehead. The more round your head, the more you bend the brim to fit it. Yay: hats that fit!
This has been Seth's Lessons in Hats. Tune in next week when we show you how to remove the mesh inside to get a worn-in old-fashioned look.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||The scoop on the New Era Hats||
I just got off the phone with the owner of Moe's and Underground and got the story on the Bo Hats.
Hats from before last year have the logo on the back, but all the new hats (i.e. all those in stock and available) have the logo on the side. The picture on UGP's website that the OP posted was one of the old ones--there was a New Era logo on it; just not visible in the photo--but they were updating as we spoke. This is the hat in the store right now:
|12 weeks 1 day ago||An average of 35 yards of||
An average of 35 yards of field position per game.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Dave Brandon found a job,||
Dave Brandon found a job, everybody!
|12 weeks 2 days ago||I think you failed to give||
I think you failed to give all the respect due. Gender itself doesn't determine whether someone can hack it; hacking it determines whether you can hack it.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||UGP has had it for awhile||
I'm sure M-Den had the New Era one too. I've been eyeing it forever.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Harbaugh.||
|12 weeks 3 days ago||^this.||
|12 weeks 3 days ago||You kids and your boomboxes||
You kids and your boomboxes
|12 weeks 3 days ago||O'Korn is official. I think||
O'Korn is official. I think he's already enrolled
|12 weeks 5 days ago||There goes the shutout.||
There goes the shutout.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||They haven't written a song,||
They haven't written a song, or started writing a song. They're doing all the branding--you know, the important part--first.
|13 weeks 3 hours ago||Is your friend named "Michael||
Is your friend named "Michael Elkon"?
|13 weeks 1 day ago||We absolve Brandon for not||
We absolve Brandon for not dealing with Gibbons when the incident occurred, so...
Bill Martin is a mixed bag--some of the things he did and said are wonderful and worth canonizing. But just from what's out there publicly, the Gibbons thing had to have come across his desk right when Martin was on his way out, and whatever he did with it it wasn't the right thing to do with it.
This is why I'm always hedging when it comes to Sailboat Willie. I feel like there's another shoe that will drop eventually.
|13 weeks 2 days ago||You are not reading it||
You are not reading it correctly then.
|13 weeks 2 days ago||You're going on my||
You're going on my list.
(also I'm terrified of the Carvin Johnson scenario, where he was waffling then read what people thought of that on an internet board).
|13 weeks 2 days ago||Ace wrote a post to||
Ace wrote a post to explicitly says OSU isn't oversigning. Brian wrote in another post that OSU isn't oversigning. I mentioned in two posts and on several Michigan and Ohio State boards that Ohio State isn't oversigning.
Under exactly what definition of "get killed" do you include all of the site's full-timers going out of our way to exonerate Ohio State and tell our readership to bark up some other tree?
I like it when we get opposing perspectives on here, but you keep turning up in these threads in full battle armor, looking to fight anyone who shows up on a battlefield that was not only immediately conceded, but which Michigan fans are helping you defend.
Obviously there are going to be Wolverines who expect the worst when it's Ohio State, because Michigan-Ohio State. I bet it would take me less than 35 seconds to find a Buckeye fan on your site or 11W who equates what Urban did to Weber with signing O'Korn. But if the guys who run the site already said that's stupid why would it help for me to go on and tell them so?
|13 weeks 2 days ago||I hate saying so because it||
I hate saying so because it starts the speculation (PLEASE SPECULATE PRIVATELY AND DON'T PUT NAMES ON THE BOARD), but there are two more likely transfers we know of (things can always change of course), and a few more hanging on to see where they stand after spring practice.
I think there's at least one or two spots available before we start asking guys like Kerridge to not get a scholarship this year.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||Yeah but if he transfers and||
Yeah but if he transfers and plays elsewhere, I still count it as a transfer.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||What's vague and meaningless||
What's vague and meaningless about the chart?
|13 weeks 3 days ago||Well we can't really say||
Well we can't really say anything about Brian Cole and Alex Malzone yet so they're excised from the stats.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||I had him in the data, but||
I had him in the data, but not in the list. Fixed.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Unpopular things||
I thought we were done with these. A thread to rip on other readers belongs in the bad ideas for threads thread.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||They'll never pass it but||
They'll never pass it but this was John Bacon's proposal to get college sports truly back to college. The theory goes that pro leagues will take the kids who aren't cut out for college and college won't really mind the slightly lower level of play.
It would have to come with an increase in scholarship limits since many teams can't field a two deep with just their freshmen. It's also not fair for spring sports since they'd be almost half way to their degrees by the time they're eligible.
One and done is an NBA rule to protect themselves from bad investments and to have Calipari developing their prospects for free. The NCAA doesn't benefit except in the star power of being a minor league for guys like Okafor who could be in the NBA now.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||You are correct that the||
You are correct that the university should claim rights but...
1) It won't ever get that far
2) That wouldn't deter this group, who are looking for resume builders more than capital.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah, I'm a big C&H fan and||
Yeah, I'm a big C&H fan and used him because it was that ridiculous. These kids are shooting names off of musicians they want to approach with no concept of whether they'll want to participate.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Was saying "we love animals"||
Was saying "we love animals" with a flourish.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Nobody here ever claimed that||
Nobody here ever claimed that Craig James killed five hookers while at SMU. For the record I do not personally believe Craig James killed five hookers while at SMU.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||That's totally fair. I hope||
That's totally fair. I hope what I've done is attack purely the idea, not the people, but in this case the two can blur because the idea is that the type of person who cares more about marketing a thing than the quality of the thing shouldn't be involved in the making of the thing. It's tough to make this argument without describing the type of person, so I tried to do it by simply listing their actions.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||I took out Hokemaniacs but||
I took out Hokemaniacs but since I figured out how to play with those earlier this year, I've left a lot of the defunct blogs up because I can't bear to part with them. BGS, Yost Built... they should never die.
Some blogs aren't updated very often but are timeless, for example the UMTailgate guys (and of course Joe Pichey's blog).
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Circular argument.||
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Not a member?||
|13 weeks 6 days ago||...not including any sentence||
...not including any sentence with the word "stud" that is not referring to a horse or a piece of wood in a wall.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Unpopular opinion||
No more of these after the last one, which is where all other ideas for unpopular threads should go.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||No shit. I'm going!||
No shit. I'm going!
|13 weeks 6 days ago||I appreciate your reply, but||
I appreciate your reply, but I disagree that any slack should be cut here.
There is school spirit, and then there's trying to capitalize on school spirit to serve one's own ego. Nobody doubts the sincerity of Dave Brandon's fandom--we wanted him removed from any decision making because he doesn't have the capacity to separate his fandom from his ego. I've read the proposal and heard the spokesmen for this golem, and they all seem to very much have the Dave Brandon problem. Using "extremely unique" is a classic symptom.
I noted at the top of the article that they don't intend to "replace" The Victors, and also had a paragraph where I explain there is ample room for more song traditions. These complaints were never about the intentions of the project leaders; they're about the project leaders' clear blindness to the possible ramifications of their self-glorified quest.
What they're doing is trying to recreate what is essentially a very successful organism.
Humanity has spent its entire history in worship of the wonder we sense in the existence of chordata. Imagine then if an American company were to announce its intentions to direct a collaborative effort between the entertainment and agricultural industries to create a new type of perfect sentient animal called Hyumins, and look: we already have the logo drawn up and a video crew shooting us as speak to collaborators. Sure, you might say, this creature could turn out to be loveable. Sure, you might say, this is one of our nation's companies showing that spirit of innovation that drives us.
But given its creators serioulsy have no concept of how life is formed, nor apparently enough appreciation for the sentient life already in existence, it's perfectly rationial to tell these people to get the hell out of the animal-making business. And it's perfectly understadable, despite their protestrations otherwise, if folks are worried that the intent is for Hyumins to replace humans.
The one good thing that could come of this is it gives us a chance to rationalize why we love the lifeforms that we do. That's what my column was about: the golden rarity of a truly great piece of art that captures the popular spirit on its timeless merits.
|14 weeks 2 hours ago||More like classic||
More like classic progessives. If we ran the world in the late 1880s we would have run McKinley out on a rail a la Dave Brandon, printed "It's Happening" bollers for Teddy Roosevelt, and spent the rest of the decade shouting at people who said the forward pass won't work in the Big Ten.
|14 weeks 2 hours ago||Close allies of the Militant||
Close allies of the Militant Grammarians, and have a working partnership with Les Assassins des Fauteuils Rollents
|14 weeks 3 hours ago||^THIS!!!||
I had a deleted section that shared this sentiment exactly. It was too tangential and I was getting away from The Victors enough as it was, but I had this whole thing about how they manufacture hits out of the same formulaic four chord progressioc, and manufacture pop stars out of the same act/body type/persona. In Europe where the man doesn't have near the control of what gets marketed musically, everybody flocks to Oasis or Coldplay or Muse*, not because they're extraordinary, but because popularity itself is part of the drug.
*i.e. Radiohead if they stopped at Pablo Honey, The Bends, or O.K. Computer, respectively.
|14 weeks 3 hours ago||No, I was there when this hit||
No, I was there when this hit the internet and it was instantly the most awkward and mockable thing since Al Gore tried to share a precious moment with Tipper. Ask BiSB, who was in South Bend at the time, how it went over with contemporaries.
|14 weeks 21 hours ago||PLLEEEEEASSSEEE send me a||
PLLEEEEEASSSEEE send me a copy of the Lloyd Carr's Secret Playbook. I remembered it for a long time and finally got around to asking Brian if that was him and he said no but he remembered the guy who did it.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||OMIGOD HOW DO THEY KILL DARTH||
OMIGOD HOW DO THEY KILL DARTH MAUL IN THAT MOVIE HOW WHY WTF GYAH GEORGE YOU ARE SO BAD WE WERE HAPPY WHEN YOU SOLD OUT TO DISNEY THAT BAD.
|14 weeks 2 days ago||It's not ignored, but nobody||
It's not ignored, but nobody knows the words. Brian once suggested singing "Robinson, Robinson, Robinson oh Robinson. We'll always Robinson Oh Robinson (and the maize and blue).