this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Really? Oakland as safer than||
Really? Oakland as safer than NYC? You'd rather walk anywhere in Oakland at any time of day than NYC or Detroit? Because statistically, Oakland has 3 times the violent crime rate of New York and the murder rate is even more disproportionate. So...I dunno. The facts don't fit that gut instinct. And as bad as Detroit is, there's not much seperation between it and Oakland. East Oakland may not be the worst area in America, but it is at least part of the conversation of least safe places to be.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||I hear ya. I lived out there||
I hear ya. I lived out there in Walnut Creek and Pleasant Hill. It's generic bland white suburbia. But as with everything, tradeoffs. It's only 32 minutes to Embarcadero on the BART from Walnut Creek so maybe 15 minutes further than Oakland 19th street. Roughly. And you can also get a nicer larger apartment for cheaper than Oakland and way cheaper than SF. Maybe I had friends who lived in Lake Merritt or bought houses in various parts of Oakland but none of them wanted to leave their houses, especially after dark. I'd live in Berkeley before I'd live in Oaktown. In your price range. Either live somewhere cheaper, save up and compromise, or go for the real deal and get an apartment and a roommate in SF. Oakland is a poor compromise on value vs. cost. You'll probably just wind up BARTing it into SF most of the time anyway.
|22 weeks 4 days ago||Yep, this is totally on||
Yep, this is totally on point. When I live in the Bay Area I lived in a relatively cheap area (Pleasant Hill) where you could get a house similar to the one she describes for maybe $700M nowadays. Rough guess. If you had an appraisal you would find the three bedroom house in Palo Alto would be valued at perhaps $200M perhaps but that the land would be worth $1.8MM in Palo Alto and $500M in Pleasant Hill. There is a lot of value in location and people pay top dollar to be in Palo Alto for whatever reason. That has value. A middle class family could not afford the option to choose between a moderate house in an insanely expensive area and a mansion in a much cheaper area. And rest assured, she could certainly have bought a $2 million home that actually is a mansion in parts of the South Bay or East Bay. And then she would not make this argument. It's only because the thing they own is the more intangible aspect of land or location value that she is not able to see it as the form of wealth it is. And it is a form of wealth, because you can sell it for an assload of money.
|23 weeks 5 days ago||Roy Williams? The guy with 2||
Roy Williams? The guy with 2 national championships, 7 final fours, 15 regular season Big 8/12 or ACC championships, 6 conference tourney championships, a 79% winning percentage and a 78% winning percentage at UNC? I mean yeah, his squads have been kinda disappointing for the last 2 years, by UNC standards, finishing 3rd in the ACC and "only" making the round of 32. He's a hall of fame coach and while he's had the resources of a top shelf school, he has also been killing it for 25 years. His resume is so far above and beyond guys like Alford or Crean etc that grouping them together is ridiculous.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||I would assume that his point||
I would assume that his point is that they did not have enough time to run 3 running plays from 2nd down on given the clock but by passing to the end zone and killing the clock on one of those plays they would be able to get in all 4 downs. If you run on 2nd down, you then call TO and then it's possible that after a failed 3rd down run you dont have time to reset and get off a 4th down play. That much is probably true but debateable as the time would be close. Of course, even if you accept that premise, you can call a run on second down, call TO and then pass on 3rd down so that you can have a 4th down play. Or even if you pass on the 2nd down, run a different play than that one. His point might be valid for the 3rd down play but you have to run Marshawn again on 2nd down. He gets a few yards on almost every play, in this game and in general.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||Revis has a claim, and has||
Revis has a claim, and has done it for longer. Peterson isn't even close. Haden is very good but not as good as Sherman or Revis either.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||Seriously? Nobody knew he||
Seriously? Nobody knew he was? You may not have known but folks who follow the NFL knew. Sherman was first team All NFL in 2012 and had a QB rating against of 44.9. In 2013 he had already been named to the Pro Bowl, as well as leading the league in interceptions at the time of the interview you mentioned. I think his QBR against was like 48.7 that year. Later named first team All Pro obviously. Obviously a pro bowler this year and will be 1st team All pro again. He's been the best corner in the game for the last 3 years and had been so for the 2 years prior to that interview.
Obviously Sherman is exceedingly brash and cocky but he does have the game to back it up. He's also one of the most articulate and entertaining athletes in the world and he's been on point with his criticisms of the NFL. And the NCAA too boo. And Skip Bayless.
|25 weeks 1 day ago||Katy Perry, "Do your thang||
Katy Perry, "Do your thang Missy!"
Humanity is so doomed.
|25 weeks 2 days ago||Yep. Even though we dont have||
Yep. Even though we dont have too many schollies, this is looking like a tiny class with some spots left over, especially after things shake out over the coming months with the inevitable attrition of injuries/transfers etc. After signing day, I wouldn't be surprised if we hear that we are adding a few more 2nd tier grad transfers from elsewhere. Basically just throwing a few warm bodies at next year and hoping that you get something out of it and there is no long term cost since it's effectively a one year scholarship. I'd rather we do that than tie up more scholarships in 4 year guys who are unlikely to play.
There is the financial cost too I guess but no big deal. And probably a wash as much of that $ would have gone to walk-ons if it was still open.
|25 weeks 2 days ago||Obviously, he didn't turn||
Obviously, he didn't turn down Michigan because it would have pissed off his brother in law who went to OSU. Making career decisions based on your in-laws' opinion of a rival school rather than the career opportunity presented would make him a complete fucktard, and I highly doubt he's that dumb. He turned us down because Kentucky brought the dolla dolla bills. But then he leverages a fairly public rejection of Michigan's overtures into rah rah go buckeyes PR. Smart move for a guy who recruits Ohio, deals with Ohio coaches and will probably need to find a job somewhere near the state of Ohio after Stoops gets shitcanned in a year or two. I can definitely see how this guy would be a successful recruiter.
|25 weeks 3 days ago||As a sort of tangent, these||
As a sort of tangent, these 5th year transfers are one of the reasons why I am not as bothered by the burning of redshirts as some other people are. I mean I understand that some of the recent redshirts were burned for little in return and those may not have been wise. Some folks like many OL should redshirt. But with the 5th year transfer rule, you're also potentially risking losing whatever first year production you get from a player by banking it for that 5th year when the player can easily choose not be around. Not just in terms of contributing during games, but as far as leadership or being another practice player too. Redshirts still have value but it is less than it used to be now that 5th years are no longer under "team control".
|25 weeks 4 days ago||There's a lot in your post||
There's a lot in your post that I disagree with, but I'll just pick one thing:
Further, wealthier kids are far more altruistic. My poorer family thinks volunteering is a waste of time.
|25 weeks 5 days ago||Indeed. Fail email, even if||
Indeed. Fail email, even if it was ostensibly internal in nature. Comes off as very immature. Brandon-esque. He seems more upset about the judges scoring in the Founders Cup that one year than he is about the destruction. Also, GPAs? That's lovely but not exactly on topic. Accountability is mentioned and yet the email itself has very little of it. We have blame passed to all media organizations that ran with the story, statements about how it was just a few bad apples, diversonary rah rah BS about how good they are in every other way. You take responsibility, you say you are investigating, you apologize, period.
|25 weeks 5 days ago||Also lots of breweries.||
Bend >>>> South Bend. Lots of breweries in Bend. Deschutes, McMenamins, Boneyard, Worthy, 10Barrel, Apothecary, Crux, Solstice, etc. Maybe 25 breweries in the area. Very bad place to be if the goal is to stop drinking and go to bed.
|26 weeks 7 hours ago||Recruits actually have to do||
Recruits actually have to do more than just play games. I mean, sure, some of them came to play football and not play school. Some do come to play school. But either way, you have to live in the place you play football/school. Ann Arbor and Michigan are great but tomorrow's forecast:
|27 weeks 1 day ago||Yep, the 2003 team was great||
Yep, the 2003 team was great and very talented. Better than the 2004 team IMO. 2003 outscored opponents by 255 points in regular season (+21 ppg) while 2004 won a lot of close games and only outscored opponents by 92 points (+8 ppg) during the regular season. That's two TDs/game better, pretty big difference. Atrocious special teams and occasional turnovers were the cause of losses against Oregon and Iowa that we definitely should have won. USC outclassed us but USC was clearly the best team that year and was robbed by not getting to play an LSU team that they would have killed.
The 2001 team was much different. Defense was quite good and the offense was just meh. Although they lost close games in a similar way to 2003, the level of competition was much worse as the B1G inferior to that of 2003. OSU was crappy in their first year until Tressel, PSU sucked and fricking Illinois won the confernce. And we just did not have the level of QB play as well as the playmakers at skill positions in 2001. Senior Navarre was so much better than sophomore Navarre. Love Marquise Walker but him + Ronald Bellamy + BJ Askew <<<< Braylon + Breaston + Avant + Chris Perry.
|27 weeks 1 day ago||It remains to be seen whether||
It remains to be seen whether or not they turn into a dynasty. That's premature. Sure, maybe a little bit over the top but it is also a reflection of people being enthusiastic about their team and hoping that the success can be sustained. Professional sports fans are starved for success around here. And while I am somewhat skeptical that anyone can have a dynasty given the parity in the NFL, the Seahawks are relatively young and have a lot of players under reasonable contracts. It will get tricky when they have to pay Wilson but they are still well positioned for the long-term. Especially in a league where the best quarterbacks of their generation are aging: Brees is 35, Brady is 37, Manning is 38.
I guess to each his own. I don't see anything resembling the Red Sox fans and outside of Seattle you don't see people biting on the Seahawks the way that they do the Red Sox/Yankees/Cowboys etc. The 12th fan I suppose may seem cheesy from the outside but the fans take pride in being the loudest stadium in the NFL and the high level of fan support. Not the worst thing in the world. Some of it is bandwagony, but it's that way everywhere. And it's an on-going thing that has been around a long time. They retired the 12 jersey in 1984 and it's been A Thing since well before the Hawks were good. It just wasn't noticed nationally because the team was not as prominent.
|27 weeks 1 day ago||Agreed||
Yeah, that's really annoying. I mean, it's ridiculous that a town be really excited about a team that won the Super Bowl. Especially a town that has a baseball team that hasn't made the World Series in its 40 years of existence, had a basketball team get sold and moved, and a football team that was was really bad for the first 25 years of its existence finally wins its first Super Bowl. So obnoxious. No other city's fans would ever be insufferable after winning a championship!
|27 weeks 1 day ago||Wilson exposed||
Whoops. There are so many LOL comments in this thread.
|29 weeks 1 day ago||$||
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that his friendships didn't really change much in the last week. Kentucky stepped up and paid him. Oh well, whatever.
|29 weeks 1 day ago||Re: $||
Granted that there are cheaper places to live in the Bay Area than Palo Alto but still it is like a factor of 8x for housing. I am very glad to no longer be paying for Bay Area housing...
|29 weeks 1 day ago||Re: Marrow||
Read the comments section below. Apparently the article was written as a contingency based on Marrow staying and then was published prior to his meeting with Harbaugh. So no actual info in spite of statements that indicate as much.
|29 weeks 2 days ago||Re: talent||
The roster distribution is really messed up right now. Early departures are the primary cause but Beilein has also tried to compensate with a quantitative solution of throwing bodies at the problem and hoping that some of these Plan C guys stick, because the qualitative response of bringing in high level freshman did not pan out in 14 and 15 classes. Hence those last minute fliers on guys like MAAR, Dawkins and Robinson.
As it stands right now, you have 7 or 8 guys who will be sophomores next year, depending on Wilson. And Wilson probably won't get a 5th year anyway as project big men who are minor contributors dont tend to get offered a 5th year. Robinson effectively has the same eligibility as those '14 recruits since he'll be a sophomore next year. There's just no way that you can keep all 8 of those guys all the way through 17-18 season. You can't have 8 of 13 guys in the same eligibility class, especially when none of them are particularly talented (Robinson may be a good shooter but if he were really talented he wouldn't have been in D3). Not saying that they'll be pushed out the door but the program will need some of those guys to leave and free up scholarships. Not worth worrying about too much, these things tend to work themselves out. A few guys will transfer because of playing time or whatever and there are always injuries or guys who decide they don't want to continue with basketball.
|29 weeks 2 days ago||Re: uhh||
Part of the problem is that they are young and trying to find their way. The even bigger problem is that they are just not that talented. Even worse, they are not talented and not big or long. This is a team of role players, or guys who can develop into role players. Not guys with a high ceiling. Nice kids I would assume and they'll develop into decent or even solid players with time. But after striking out on most of our primary recruiting targets in 14 and 15, and not getting a quality big in 13 (sorry Donnal), you have to be seriously concerned for the future. We have what amounts to an 8 man 2014 class once you throw in Donnal and Robinson since they will have the same eligibility. And there really is not too much skill or athleticism amongst those 8. Beilein can coach and I have no doubt he can turn these guys into an 9 seed at 21-12/10-8 or something like that by next year. But talent matters too, especially if we are gonna talk about conference championships or Final Fours, it's gonna take some better players. Don't see much out of this 14 group and the 15 recruiting looks like it is headed for a flameout too. It's an absolute necessity that we bring in some serious talent in 16 class.
|29 weeks 3 days ago||Re: Kelly||
Yep. Additional background:
The 49ers are certainly the most attractive job open if Kelly were to get out of Philly, which is a bit ironic since this situation sounds fairly similar to what happened there with a front office schism.
|30 weeks 7 hours ago||CA/MI||
CA does have a higher state income tax but the numbers aren't even close to that. Marginal rate above ~ half a million is 12.3% so about 3x that of Michigan. Still, 8% of $8MM is only $640 so if you gross that up $750M or so you wind up at about the same after tax number. Of course, there may be ways around those taxes...but that's another topic. Even at $9 million in CA your after tax income is above $8 millon in MI.
Where the Bay Area is much worse is the cost of housing. It varies a bit by where you are but if you want a baller mansion, especially in SF you would pay way more than you would in Ann Arbor. I mean even general housing in SF is what, maybe 4 times the price of what it would be in Ann Arbor. I mean you can go East Bay or somewhere way out or whatever but you'll pay in one form or another.
|42 weeks 4 days ago||DB||
Too bad for her, apparently his noodle is gigantic!
|42 weeks 6 days ago||Re: Hoke||
Why shouldn't the Regents fire a head coach? Particularly in a situation in which the A.D. has just been relieved of his duties? Certainly, firing him for his shortcomings as a football coach is a matter that should be handled by the A.D. through normal performance review processes. But compromising the integrity and the reputation of the school/program and endangering player safety are plenty of cause to intervene. I'd argue the failure to act would be a breach of their duty if you believe that Hoke has compromised the school's integrity. Also, the head coach falls under the A.D. in some org chart but for practical purposes he is one of the leading public figures at Michigan and when his conduct is so poor that he and the University are under intense scrutiny by mainstream media then the situation has risen to a Board level issue.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||Brandon||
This one is pretty much entirely on Hoke. Hoke is toast and for all of his flaws, Brandon is aware of how this plays out for Hoke. I wouldn't expect Brandon to do anything except to try to save his own ass at this point. That means talking to the $ men/regents/presidents and finding out if it is viable to let Hoke finish the season before letting him go. Brandon will be reactive rather than proactive and make his decision based on what the other stakeholders force him to do. Brandon is nothing if not a man of practicality rather than principal. His play is probably to let Hoke stand up and take the heat, tell Hoke to apologize for making a mistake, have Hoke talk about how much he cares about his players and continue his pathetic claim of ignorance that Morris had a head injury. Hoke will claim he was aware of Morris' leg injury but did not see the concussion symptoms. It's not a credible position; but the alternative is to admit that he knowingly threw Morris back in the came after sustaining and that admission would have to result in a firing (or indefinite suspension that ends in a firing). So Hoke stills to his incompetence over negligence excuse. Brandon will also announce new policies regarding concussion processes and player protection and instigate an investigation. The results of the investigation will be released at some indistinct later date after the furor has died down. It will be done by press release rather than a press conference.
Or...if you want to be more cynical...Brandon throws Hoke under the bus. This makes Brandon look, to outsiders, like he is taking a strong ethical stand on player safety. It also allows him to put in motion the search for a permanent replacement immediately while he is still employed as the athletic director. Thereby making it a bit more difficult for the Regents to fire him. Harder to fire the guy who "protected the players." and makes it more difficult to have a schedule that would require going through an AD search process prior to conducting the coaching search process. Thereby he retains decision making power over who the next coach is to the greatest extent possible. Maybe. He might still get shit canned too. But it's less likely than it would be if he sticks with Hoke. It's at least one way to play it. Every man for himself as this ship sinks quickly.
|44 weeks 2 days ago||Re: Hoke||
The part about coming to us in our hour of need and taking the job without taking about the money is a pretty generous way to describe it. Sorry, the guy did not bring us puppies and hugs after grandma died or even help us move a couch. He took a job that was a vastly superior position in his profession to the one he held previously. His new job paid millions of dollars more per year than his old one. I don't doubt that it is his dream job or that he is a decent enough person but his choice to take the choice was hardly some charitable or magnanimous act. It was a no-brainer career decision. He was the head coach at fricking San Diego State. I mean, come on.
As far as the money, he was always gonna get paid a shit ton of money at Michigan and a hell of a lot more than he made at San Diego State. He is making $4.1 million this year. I mean, even if we assume that "aw shucks I didn't agree to the salary before taking the job" story is true, everyone involved knew at the least that he was gonna make a lot more bank than the $700k/year that San Diego State was paying him. So yeah, maybe he took the job without knowing whether he was gonna make 4 times what he made before or 5 time or 6 times. But everyone knew it was a raise that was gonna mean at least an extra million per year.
I don't really think it sucks all that much for him. He got to have his dream job for four years. He had tons of resources at his disposal to have an opportunity to succeed. He got paid, enough to never work again if he chooses. He'll be fired and that's that but overall getting his shot and $$$ is really not such a bad outcome. I am vastly more sympathetic to the players who have to go through more turmoil and to the current students who are increasly disconnected from the football program due to the emphasis on $ over loyalty and the lack of on-field success.
Whatever. Hopefully they get the next hire right and that it doesnt drag out like The Process.
|46 weeks 1 day ago||Not sure that one bad year||
Not sure that one bad year actually constitutes a failure. Carroll was fired because his team finished the season poorly after starting 6-5. OK. But one season is a pretty short leash and limited data. Also, when you consider that that was a mediocre roster that went 4-28 over the next two years after Carroll, I'm not sure that one 6-10 season looks so bad.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Wrong Game||
I don't know how much football talent he has but he has no future in rap. Dude makes Soulja Boy look like Nas in comparison to Datbull 4 Life.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Stonum||
You give a guy a second chance, not because you necessarily expect him to take advantage of it, but because helping college age men grow into productive adults who are responsible, learn from their mistakes, and don't have problems with drugs/alcohol is important. It's too bad that Stonum didn't take advantage but it was still a worthwhile risk to take even if it didn't work out. There are limits to what you can do, of course, but giving up on a person too soon can also be a missed opportunity to help someone. I thought Hoke handled that one just fine. Ditto Hagerup. Opportunities to come back but a severe season long punishment sounds right to me.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Recruiting||
As a side note, this leaves us with one less scholarship for this class since Hagerup effectively becomes a redshirt junior for 2013 rather than a senior and will now be on the 2014 roster. Assuming that he does not screw up again and that he is retaining his scholarship status.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Phones||
I understand it is crazy to text/call during an interview.
But I'm not about to leave my $500 phone with all sorts of info and data on it in my car when there are hundreds of thousands (or millions?) of phones being stolen every year in this country. Employers expect you to protect their property, proprietary and sensitive info and in fact my employer has policies about phones and laptops. For example, if I leave my hotel room to go eat dinner I am supposed to have my laptop attached by a security cable or in a safe to protect it. In turn, I am going to protect my property and data and keep my phone in my pocket where it is more secure than it is in my car. Of course it will be turned off and unused during an interview.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Kings||
It's pretty clear that regardless of whether the Mastrov/Ranadine group or the Hansen group winds up owning the team it is going to be sold. Neither the Maloofs nor their front office is going to have anything to do with that team for much longer so that is not a concern at all. But yeah, the players on the team are not an ideal group to be around for Trey.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||OSU||
I'm not sure how they are going to score at an efficient clip. I mean they will be a good team and maybe a great defensive team but without Thomas they don't really have too many guys who can score much on their own. We'll see. Maybe Ross steps it up. Or perhaps Scott or Thompson.
I think most folks will have MSU, U of M and Indiana predicted ahead of them anyway. Iowa is debateable I guess but I like them a lot for next year. They return basically everybody and they lost a lot of close games this year, 7 games by 4 points or less so they may have been better than their record indicated. Kenpom even has them finishing as #23 with their NIT run.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||2014...||
I would imagine the preseason polls will have the B1G order as something like:
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Frequency...||
That's not really true. If you play 8 games with a 14 team league then you play 6 division and 2 non-division games every year. Which means that you do play every single team every 3.5 years so with a 4 year player's career they would see every other school. The only way you don't see all of the other teams in 4 years if you repeat home and away with schools over 3 years rather than just playing one or the other and then playing different schools the next year.
It is true that you would not travel to other schools during each players career you wind up only playing 4 road games against those 7 teams in 4 years so they never get to visit 3 of those other 7 schools. Though I can't think of a reason that not visiting another campus really matters as they don't do much more than play and hang out at the hotel on road trips.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Each team...||
That doesn't quite add up. We play 3 games a year against the other division so 63 games in 21 years. You have us only playing 61 games.
Let's see, from the Purdue perspective they play only 2 games each year against the other 6 teams in the other division [since 1 of their 3 non-division games is tied to Indiana]. So 1 in 3 years we will be playing against Purdue so 7 in 21 years. But there are two leftover games. I believe that just means that we will play 9 against 4 of those teams in a 21 year cycle and 10 against 2 of those teams.
I think the way it will work is that they schedule out Purdue and Indiana in 3 year cycles and then repeat with the home games flipped away. Then you start filling in the other teams randomly or whatever but because of the Purdue Indiana thing you will start to repeat 2 of the 3 teams that you played in Year 1 in Year 3 but will not see the 4th team that you played in Year 1 until Year 4. I think. Might have to fire up Excel to verify but expansion will change it again anyway. The actual frequency of playing each of the other 6 teams should be 4/9ths of every years. Take 6 teams * (4/9) = 24/9 + (3/9)ths for Purdue = 27/9 = 3 games a year. So it is like a 9 year cycle. Or really an 18 year cycle if you count home and away in even quantities. I think. We play Purdue 6 times in 18 years and play the other 6 teams 8 times in 18 years. That adds up. So a home game against Purdue every 6 years and a home game against Nebraska (or the other teams) every 4.5 years.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||MSU||
I don't think Izzo and MSU are on the decline although I certainly think that things are more competitive now. I think what Izzo really did was take advantage of a lull when we were down, Indiana was no longer able to get top guys under Knight, OSU was not as good as they are with Matta etc. Had that very successful 3 year period from 99-01. The competition is better now and they won't have a run like that again. But they can still be a good team/program.
As you look at their roster though, you see a real good team next year. But I don't see much after 2014. Payne and Appling will be gone. Probably Harris goes pro after next year as he can be in the lottery. Dawson may turn into a scorer but besides that I don't know that guys like Trice, Valentine, Costello, Guana, Byrd etc have really shown much. Then these other 2 new guys who were clearly Izzo's plan B. They're young and they'll develop but their freshmen and sophomore and recruits don't catch your eye and make you think they will ever be first team all-B1G or anything. On the one hand, you can play young guys right away and reload quickly these days, as our team shows, but looking at their roster it also looks like their talent necessitates having a killer class in 2014 unless they want a dropoff over the next few years. Huge recruiting pressure for them in this class.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Heathcote 2.0||
Izzo is way better than Heathcote. Heathcote won ~53% of his B1G games and won exactly half of them if we exclude tthe 2 years with Magic. Izzo has won like 70% of his B1G games and while Michigan's troubles certainly helped him build MSU up he's still way above the level they were at before. Even now, with us on the rise they are a top 10-15 caliber team. You're either shortchanging Izzo or else forgetting how much mediocrity Sparty had under Heathcote. Probably the latter. In the 80s Heathcote's Big 10 record was better than 10-8 just 1 time in 10 seasons and they went 6-12 or worse for 5 of those 10 seasons. There was a lot of bad Sparty basketball in between Magic and Mateen Cleaves.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Ryan Evans...||
Reggie Evans was a grit/rebounding/defense type power forward for Iowa back in the day who managed to scrape out a surprisingly long NBA career for a guy with limited offensive skills.
Ryan Evans is a FT jump shooting Badger who takes a ton of shots for a guy who is bad at shooting the basketball.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||4||
It's true that most college teams only have 1 big but I am not sure that I view having 2 as creating a poor matchup. Matchups go both ways. If another team is playing only one big then that means that either McGary or Morgan can post up and rebound against a non-big. That's a huge advantage for us on offense though it obviously presents a challenge on D for McGary.
A lot of this discussion is general and about total minutes but in reality matchups, foul trouble and injuries are really going to decide this and it will vary by game. If say one of Irvin/Stauskas/LeVert were injured then you have to go big. Or if McGary is in foul trouble then you go small because you can't play 2 of the other bigs since they are not skilled enough. If you are playing the new look Pitino-pressing-Gophers then you go small for ball handling but if you are playing Sparty and don't want to get killed on the glass then you go big. Etc etc.
In an ideal world I think it would be great if you could mix in the zone. But I think again we are looking at a lineup with 9 of your 11 guys being Freshmen or Sophomores. Until they put in the time to really be better at man to man and to be stronger and more physical I think your practice time is better spent towards perfecting your base D instead of learning zone.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Minutes||
I think you will see a lot of tall ball. Partly this is a function of roster construction. With Morgan, Horford, McGary and Bielfeldt you are cramming 4 guys into one position if you stay small and then 7 guys for the other 4 spots. I also have a sneaking suspicion that playing these guys at 3/4 may have been agreed to by the coaches as an inducement to get them to come back for another year. As far as spacing, you can still do a lot of the things that we do with I do think it is essential that McGary hit that 12 foot jumper if he is going to play the 4 but I think he has shown some flashes that he can do that. And pass out of the post. It does put a lot of pressure on him but he has the skills to make it work. So much of what we have been doing the last few years anyway is just ball screen stuff and that can still happen with tall ball.
Rebounding is also a big part of this and that did not come up much in this article except the point about OSU having everyone rebound. Well, that is part of how the lineups and the hope for defensive improvement tie together. A higher DREB % will be one of the ways we can improve our D and the bigger lineup should offer that. Basically we are trading Morgan's rebounding for Stauskas'/Irvin's rebounding. We finished 7th in the B1G in OREB and 8th in DREB in conference play and we all saw Behanon abuse GR3. Even if our eFG D is not much better we can be a better defensive team if we limit 2nd chances.
Not too worried about GR3's low usage and stepping up into a bigger role. He was very efficient in what he did do and Burke and Hardaway were taking over half of the shots anyway. He was not assertive because he didn't really need to be but I think he still has the game to maintain that efficiency even with higher usage.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||2/3||
Well we have two open spots so he could add one player and still have room for McLimans. We need practice players too. This is McLimans looking for playing time.
We're fine for 2013 at the 2/3 with Irvin, LeVert, Stauskas and GR3 at the 2/3. More guys than minutes, barring injury. You can assume that GR3 is leaving after this year for roster purposes but even still the solution to that is to add a Booker caliber 2014 2/3 rather than a last minute guy who is a role player like we did with LeVert last year.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Stauskas/Irvin||
We can play Irvin at the 2 and Stauskas at 3 when GR3 slides to the 4 and we go small for short periods of the game. Or when GR3 is on the bench. However, for the 20+ minutes that GR3 is on the court and playing the 3, per Beilein's own comments, then yes Stauskas/Irvin will both be playing the same position at SG. Not sure why this was upvoted since it is incorrect, at least for the majority of the 2013-2014 season.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||B1G - ACC||
I'll bet you a shiny penny that we are @Syracuse. A Final Four rematch with the home court tilting the storyline towards a chance for the Orangemen to get revenge for that loss.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Yeah...||
I think mostly we are in agreement. My guess is that Beilfeldt only gets in during garbage time or if someone is injured or in foul trouble but that will happen. I'd save Donnal's eligibility if he is only going to get a sprinkling of time and redshirt him.
Basically, you are seeing LeVert get more minutes in a smaller type lineup with GR3 at the 4 versus having more minutes with Morgan/Horford on the court at the same time as McGary. I hear you and I think you'll see some of both depending a lot on matchups. You go big against Sparty probably for example so that they don't slaughter us on the boards but against the press that MN will now play you use LeVert more and play with GR3 at the 4. Foul trouble and injuries will affect lineups. And there will also be situational stuff where you go small with a lead at end of game for ball handling and FT shooting or big for defense and rebounding.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||5th Year||
Agree with this for the most part. Attracting a 5th year will be tough too. I still think that if you can get a 5th year then maybe you take one. Even if the guy just sits on the bench, it gives you a practice player and perhaps some leadership skills. Also, yeah there really aren't minutes if guys are healthy. Probably one injury even doesn't matter as minutes would go to LeVert or just different lineups but it provides some insurance in case you are unfortunate enough to have two injuried guys. All you are really losing by doing so is the scholarship money so there is little downside. There's gotta be some combo guard who avged 8 points a game in the MAC or Horizon and would be willing to mostly ride the pine in exchange for the chance to be on a B1G team that made it to the Final Four last year and has dreams of doing so again this year.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||2014||
One thing I really like is that this is a bigger lineup. Our PGs remain 6 footers but all of your 2/3 guys are now 6'6" with Stauskas/Irvin/GR3. Then you've got two legit sized bigs when McGary is on the floor. With size and athleticism, I really expect to see the best rebounding team that we've had under Beilein.
I expect GR3 to be assertive and a first team all conference player. You could see the skill in games where he showed out like South Dakota State. Next year he'll have to be more aggressive.
I think the main concern is shot creation off the dribble with a finishing threat. We've got shooters and to some extent GR3 and Stauskas and even occasionally McGary can take it to the rim. All need to work on their finishing. But will Walton, and to a lesser extent Irvin, be able to create penetration and then kick it out for 3s? If so then we will be really good. Albrecht can shoot and can penetrate but I'm not sure he'll be able to finish off the bounce that much which means that people will not help to him. Need a guy who can finish and force help and then hit the open man.
This team is one, especially if Stauskas puts in the effort, that can be better defensively. We'll miss Burke obviously and Hardaway but it will probably be easier to make up for their losses on offense if we have more active defenders.
Can't wait until the season starts.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Minutes||
These are the positions they will play in the league so both are probably cool with this. I'm not too surprised. There were some serious tradeoffs with rebounding and defense that the typical Beilein lineup tried to offset with ball handling and shooting. But as the talent level rises those compromises become less necessary. It was obvious that physical teams gave our small lineup a lot of problems. If Beilein has proven anything it is that he is able to adapt and be flexible. Showed it in changing assistants and in recruiting and in moving to man to man and now in going bigger. GR3 losing the rebounding battle to Behanon in the 2nd half showed the limitations of this lineup.
Also I think that this recognizes that with the current roster construction without Burke/Hardaway has a lot of bigs. If you play GR3 at the 4 with Donnal you have Beilfeldt, Morgan, Horford and McGary all playing at the 5. We'll still see smaller lineups sometimes when McGary is out of the game.
Winner is clearly Morgan as he now can start at the 5 and get his 20-25 minutes. On the other hand, hard to see where Caris fits in for next year if Irvin is as good as advertised and everyone is healthy.
Bearing in mind that Beilein's starters traditionally avg over 30 minutes I think we will see something like:
Walton 25/Albrecht 15
Stauskas 30/LeVert 5/Irvin 5
GR3 20/Irvin 20
McGary 30/GR3 10
Morgan 25/Horford 15
I suspect Walton starts at about 20 minutes but will be up to 30 by the end of the season. I think you redshirt Donnal and go small when McGary is out. Can't play of 2 of Morgan/Horford/Bielfeldt simultaneously as there is not enough skill there. But I guess the choice between Donnal at the 4 and sliding GR3 back there in a small lineup all depends on how good Donnal is. I have a sneaking suspicion that you are better off going small and having Stauskas/Irvin on the floor at the same time rather than Donnal on the floor.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Culture||
The university's culture may not change but the 10 year ban and disassociation ends a month or two. The new president/administration will not be restricted by that NCAA ruling.
Also, the president may well be an outsider or even if it is an insider it will probably be someone who wasn't very involved on the athletic side of the school. So the perspective will likely be different. Time heals all wounds etc etc. MSC was around since 2002 including the end of the investigation, the sanctions period when other athletes suffered for other people's transgressions and the period during which the program was struggling which a lot of people blamed on those 4. Those experiences would likely shape her views in a way that is probably less favorable to a reconciliation than would be the perspective of someone new who hadn't been around during that period. The scandal will probably be less personal and more historical for the new President.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Hardaway||
Actually his FT shooting was down a couple % points and he got to the line a lot less often. And while his total assists was up, his assist rate was actually down from 14.2% to 13.0% this year. That reflects a lot of other buckets for Stauskas/McGary/GR3 that were being created by Burke. Anyway, Hardaway pretty much had the same season as last year except that he shot 37% from 3 instead of 28%. All of the other differences in Hardaway's final line are pretty minor differences.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Most Improved||
Yep. Hardaway was better than last year by a hair but the truth is that Burke was the most improved player. With 6 freshmen eligibles and 2 seniors who didn't play much that really only left Burke, Hardaway, Morgan and Horford. Morgan was injured and less effective when he did play this year. I can understand giving it to the less deserving Hardaway over Burke I guess just because Burke had already won every POY award on the planet. To me, even though his year was more of an injury comeback than an improvement, Horford would have been a worthy choice for that one because at least he played and contributed this year, unlike last year.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Irvin||
He looks like a 2/3 naturally. He doesn't seem quite as muscular or athletic or GR3 and even GR3 had some definite matchup and rebounding shortcomings.
But where the suggestion of Irvin playing out of position at the 4 gets serious is if GR3 leaves. In particular, what if Hardaway stays and GR3 leaves? Then you've got Hardaway, Stauskas and LeVert at the 2/3 but the 4 is real iffy. Donnal has the closest skillset to the ideal Beilein 4 but is he good enough to play major minutes, especially as a freshman? If he is OK, but if not then your choices are either an undersized Irvin playing out of position at the 4 or going with two bigs and McGary at the high post while Morgan/Horford/Bielfeldt try to set tons of screens and get boards. Would be a better rebounding team but you lose skill if those guys are getting more minutes. Tricky.
Or what if McGary and GR3 both left? I don't think you can go with 2 of Bielfeldt, Morgan and Horford on the floor simultaneously as there is just not enough offensive skill. So again it gets down to Donnal versus Irvin at the 4. Donnal fits the position better but Irvin is almost certainly the better player and more useful on offense. Actually, they might both have to play some at the 4. At that point, we are starting to get thin if those two are gone.
Really this is not so much about Irvin as it is about whether GR3 (+ McGary) comes back. And then it is also about either finding a true stretch 4 who can play Beilein's offense but also has the size/athleticism to defend and rebound better than some smaller guys have in the best. Or whether Beilein adapts again and goes big. Or whether we sacrifice on the defensive end/boards at the 4 to get the best players all on the floor. Hopefully GR3 comes back and makes this all moot.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||3||
Best of luck to him. He's going to be the first M player in quite a while who is not a fringe NBA guy and I look forward to seeing him play in the NBA. As much as I would love to see him play in a Michigan uniform again, this is clearly the best decision for Trey.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Yep||
I was just thinking, Congress and Lobbyists or the NCAA and Compliance Officers? Which is the bigger incestuous cesspool?
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Tressel||
He's not going to say jack about OSU violations or anything about that.
Ask him what he thinks about the NCAA concept of "amateurism" and the O'Bannon lawsuit? It would be hilarious and ironic if he sided with the Emmerts of the world.
The stories suggestion is a good one. He won't be telling any OSU recruiting stories but I wouldn't be surprised if you can get him to tell some funny recruiting stories about other things. Ask him if he has heard anything about all of the rumors about Ole Mi$$.
If you really want to be ballsy, get a pic of Clarett from the 2002 MNC game and ask him to autograph it.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||NBA||
I don't think that you can criticize anyone for choosing the NBA versus college. I do think that you can judge the timing of that decision as well as the assessment of how likely they are to be drafted. We've seen several Michigan players like Darius Morris, Manny Harris, Sean Higgins etc make the decision to go early, not get picked in the first round w/ a guaranteed contract and then not stick long or make any impact in the league. If the ultimate goal is to have an NBA career, sometimes you are better off waiting. Trey coming back probably flipped him from a 2nd round pick to a lottery pick. Every year there are guys who go pro and do not get drafted and never play a game in the league. Nothing wrong with wanting to go to the league but there are only a limited number of spots available and a lot of guys are out of the league by 25.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Pitino||
A lot of times with the zombie movies you don't really get the whole backstory about how the zombies came to be. I guess the unspoken assumption that we are all just supposed to make is that Rick Pitino:Zombies::Adam:Mankind.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Last Minute||
Yep, that was part of the problem. Love Beilein but once Caris stepped on the baseline it immediately became a foul situation. Would have liked to have seen a TO there to communicate the strategy to the team as they did not foul very quickly. At the least, he has to sub out Burke on D there for Spike because Burke has 4 fouls. Then Burke back in with the free throws. I really don't know why he was not substituting Burke out on D in the last 50 seconds as he could have subbed in offense with each Ft. Definitely cost us time as Burke did not want to pick up his 5th. Some other guys though were not as quick to foul as they could have been.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Block was clean||
Perspective is good.
Perspective also makes me nervous because it is 20 years since we've been to the championship game and 24 and counting since we won. All of the comments about the program rising and how fun this run is and how impressive the VCU-Kansas-Florida-Syracuse string of wins was are true. It was great. But at the same time these opportunities are pretty rare and it's hard not to feel like a national championship slipped away. We were very very close a national championship. We were at 75% win probabilitiy with that 12 point lead. For me at least, the wallowing in self-pity stage will need to last a bit longer before I can move into the magnanimous appreciation state.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Also...||
The absolute most disgusting thing about "amateurism" in college sports is that the unpaid players who generate the fan interest and money all have to sit up there and answer the questions from the media after they lose. But god forbid that the officials who make six figure salaries ever have to go up there and be grilled by the media about their performance. We would absolutely never want to hold them accountable or anything. I would love to hear an explanation for about 50 calls in this game. Some are subjective but a lot of the stuff like the goaltending or McGary's kick ball or Burke's block were obviously incorrect at game speed. I really want to see Mike Higgins getting grilled about all of his missed calls that he gets paid to make correctly.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Refs||
Officiating was terrible. I've never seen such a significant game so poorly officiated. From the goaltending to Burke's 2nd foul to Burke's fast break block to Robinson's jumper to McGary's obvious kicked ball...it just went on and on. More calls went against us than for us. It sucks but it will never be changed. The missed foul on Hancock's 4th was huge. We also were so close to getting several of their guys with a 4th or 5th but could never get the calls.
Once again I think the big picture question is how is college basketball going to be officiated. The scrums on the rebounds and the over the back was insane. There were a few Louisville possessions at the end where they rebounded their misses and both teams were just fouling the living shit out of each other. It's a joke. The officials failed to set the boundaries by calling the fouls early and it led to more ridiculously physical play. Once again college basketball proves that if you can get away with overly physical play. It's not basketball; it's fouling. I think it is much more of a big picture question than just a problem with this game. They need to clean it up and swing the pendulum back to skill rather than physicality.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||97||
He was offered the Celtics job and a really big pile of money. Think it was like $75 million for a decade or something. At that point he'd just been to two straight national championship games with Kentucky and had little to prove as a college coach but still obviously had dreams of being successful (and rich) in the league. He wasn't.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Pitino||
Not really sure why you'd associate Pitino with Calipari. They've never worked together, it's pretty well known that they don't like each other:
Pitino should have kept his snausage in his pants and he has some other not so attractive characteristics. but he doesn't have anywhere near the rep of Calipari as far as being a douchebag, breaking amateurism rules and leaving his schools as the NCAA probation/forfeiture hammer is about to drop.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Pitino||
This story has been around unofficially since it happened although I think it was only in the past few years that Pitino added the part with his wife preferring Kentucky to the public narrative. Although it was widely suggested that she was why they went back to Kentucky even though people said that he could not take the Louisville job at the time given that he had been the coach at Kentucky. Previously, the story was just that he was going to go to Michigan but called to talk to Martin and Martin was MIA playing squash or something. Maybe he would have gone to Louisville no matter what but you have to wonder how Martin could let him bail without at least upping the offer and trying to talk him into going to Michigan. I mean, I like Beilein a lot more as a person but Pitino's at his 7th Final Four...
|2 years 16 weeks ago||One game||
Jordan Morgan with some key plays.
Burke, Stauskas and Hardaway go 5 for 29 and we won. Amazing.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Recruits||
They missed on Albrecht. He's probably not who you'd want as a starting PG in the B1G in the long-term. But he certainly is good enough to be at least a role player. Which means that he is good enough that he should have had better offers than Appalachian State which is pretty low on the D1 ladder. He should have had some interest from at least MAC or Horizon league caliber teams.
McGary, you can see that his motor is just off the charts. The impressive thing to me has been the little 10'-12' jumper that he is flashing as well as how good he is at driving from the top of the key. His defensive ability to create steals and his passing too in the open court. His game is pretty well rounded and with him now in shape he looks a lot more like the 5 star #2 or #3 ranked recruit as he was ranked at one time than the #30 type he would up as. Underrated.
GR3 was probably rated correctly. He's too deferential at this point but the athleticism is excellent and he has a pretty smooth jumper and he can drive too. The SDSU game is a nice example of what he can do. I really hope he comes back and becomes an assertive player because he could wind up being a really high draft pick and make a big difference in how good next year's team is.
Stauskas is about right. He really is a great shooter. I'm not sure how much more upside there is to his offensive game as he doesn't have 5 star type athleticism. But he will still improve and he can become a much better player if his defense improves.
LeVert seems underrated to me. I know some folks don't like his game and his frame is so small. But he is quick and has long arms. Plays hard. Like his handle. Obviously he is overwhelmed and the redshirt probably would have been a good thing but this is our year so you had to play him. He's scored a ton in HS. Not a top 100 talent but he was a late bloomer who should have been attractiing more attention.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Calipari||
No. Not even close. If you ever get a chance to talk to someone in major college basketball, or someone connected in the AAU circuit or certain people who work for Nike in a relatively private setting ask them about Calipari.
Also, do some googling of Bret Bearup and World Wide Wes, just as a starting point.
I mean, I am sure you are right that there are probably kids who are choosing Kentucky because it is Kentucky and because of all the NBA kids they are churning out and the chance to play with other talented kids.
But no, they are not on the up and up. There will eventually be probation and there will be vacated title(s).
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Albrecht||
Spike does well in space but he doesn't have the control over it when things get crowded. Spike actually has the highest turnover rate on the team this year at 20.6. Granted that LeVert's low TO rate has more to do with him never touching the ball but I think if you watch them both off of the bounce, with both hands LeVert is better. He has the better crossover. Certainly in terms of a quick first step to create offense Caris is better. And guys on the team have said LeVert has a good handle as well.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Champs||
How would the NCAA vacate a championship that it doesn't even award? Worst case is that they might have to vacate every game but there is no sanctioned national championship to vacate. Don't think that the networks or polling organizations will ask for their glass football back either. Especially since the Oregon team that lost to them may be vacating some games soon as well.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Caris||
LeVert actually has a good handle, probably the best on the current team besides Burke and he is able to get to the rim reasonably often. The problem is that he has zero ability to finish and is always getting blocked or missing layups after he gets the chest bump from the defender. He will probably never be very good at finishing with that thin frame but if he can learn how to draw contact fouls as well as pass off of the bounce then he can be somewhat of a creater. Definitely a project but I have some hope for him. Agree with your overall point that this team needs guys who can create shots and Walton and Irvin are probably going to have to step up and do that if we are going to be really successful.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||2014 team||
That's probably the starting lineup for the 1st game but I would be shocked if Albrecht is still starting over Walton by the time we start B1G play. Spike can do some things but he is not a 33 minute/game type PG for us. Wouldn't be surprised if Irvin passes LeVert at some point although that will depend on how big of a step forward Caris takes this offseason.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Draft||
Yep, and projections for next year's draft always involve guessing how high school seniors will do as freshman and thus how attractive they will then be when they are eligible for the draft. History is littered with super blue chip guys who either didn't pan out or took a while to become good. It's highly speculative to talk about next year's draft.
Also, if a large number of guys in college now who might go pro next year decide instead to go pro this year because "next year's draft is so loaded" then this year's draft winds up having more talent and 2014 has less.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Hardaway||
It seems very odd that a Forbes reporter would break this rather than a basketball source.
I like Hardaway but I am more concerned about GR3 than him as far as replacing him for next year. We'll see what happens with the games too. Have to think that winning a national championship could tilt the equation if anyone is on the fence.
Still think he needs to work on being a better passer and doing more off of the dribble. Right now he just drives straight ahead and does his pretty finger roll or layup but his handle is not tight enough to have a bigger variety of moves and I'm not sure that is going to be that effective in the NBA.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||93||
I was just a few years older than you and still in high school at Pioneer and like you I wound up being an LS&A student a few years later. My dad was still teaching in the business school and we had had season tickets for years. Because of that, we were actually able to get faculty tickets to the Final Four and amazingly the seats were better than our upper bowl seats at Crisler. We were behind the Michigan bench in about the 25th row which was great there were some places in the Superdome that were a long way from the court.
We actually had to stay in Mississippi and drive in because we couldn't find any hotel rooms in New Orleans (or perhaps they were all insanely priced). Kentucky fans were everywhere, thousands of them were there even though they did not have tickets. UK and Pitino had won their first 4 games by something like 120 points and were a heavy favorite. We had really struggled in the first four rounds even though we were gifted a really easy path to the FInal Four (unlike 92). Remember that UCLA game? Great comeback. Then we had to beat a #12 and a #7 in the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight.
The early game Saturday was the Kansas UNC game and that was not that exciting. Kansas was not as good as the other 3 teams as they had good guards with Jordan and Walters but did not have the front court skills of the other teams. When our game tipped off it it seemed like the whole arena was from Kentucky. But we led early and that game was back and forth. It went to overtime and in the end we won. The Kentucky fans were just so incredulous that they could lose. Mashburn, Travis Ford, Rodrick Rhodes, Jared Prickett, Dale Brown, Tony Delk, that team was loaded. I know some people say the Duke Kentucky game the year before was the best basketball game ever. That may be, I really don't know. I am convinced though that the Michigan Kentucky game was the best college basketball game that Michigan has played in in the last 30+ years in terms of the quality of play and being an exciting game. Other games like Kansas this year can perhaps compete based on how exciting they are but the quality of play was off the charts. Webber was awesome.
The National Championship game...what can you say. Donald Williams had a career night on the biggest stage possible. Webber was great again and I really thought we were gonna win partway through the second half. Jimmy King played well. I loved Ray Jackson because he was not as talented as the other guys but he had a tough night and fouled out. When the free throw was missed you just felt that it was destiny for Michigan to either tie it and send it to overtime or for Rose to penetrate and kick out to either King or Pelinka (was it Pelinka or Voskuil who was in the game?) for a 3. Everyone was in such shock that Webber was not called for a travel and the arena was still up in arms about that before we all realized what had happened with the timeout. Such a sad ending. To not even have a chance at the tying shot was just so disheartening. And then after the game you felt like well at least the starters will all be back next year and even better. That was a ray of hope since the 93 team was so much better than the 92 team and you felt we had to win in 94. Back then no one went pro until after their junio year. But Webber left and Arkansas beat us by 4 in the Elite 8 on their way to the national championship the next year and that was the end. So close...but not quite. Great times and exciting basketball even if the ending wasn't the same as 89. I'll feel the same way about this team. Even if it doesn't end up with two more wins it was still great fun to watch the ride.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Woodson||
Right, Woodson get a tuxedo and some incidentals related to his trip to the Heisman ceremony paid for by an agent (Marion Jones/Summit Mgmt Group). Additional trips paid for by an agent were taken over the summer of 97. The difference was that Michigan Football/A.D. folks were not implicated in knowing about it whereas Fisher was aware and actively trying to conceal the relationship with Ed Martin (and fraudulently tying it to Perry Watson by putting the tickets he left for Martin under Watson's name). So it was not deemed an NCAA violation because it was an agent rather than a booster and because Fisher was dirty but Carr wasn't. Strictly as far as the players though, it was pretty similar. Woodson also probably perjured himself by saying that he never took illegal benefits while at Michigan even though the paper trail indicates otherwise. But in that case he was testifying on behalf of the prosecution in regards to Summit Mgmt's financial problems/debts/fraud. It's fascinating the difference in the way that Webber and Woodson are perceived by M fans even though both took illegal benefits and probably perjured themselves.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Webber||
Some of what you say is true, like the administrative complacency regarding facilities. But a lot of the other decisions can be traced in part to Webber's (and others') actions. Ellerbe was hired to be an assistant and was promoted because the independent report by the law firm on the scandal came down in October 1997 and left no choice but to fire Fisher immediately. With practice about to start, no coaches on the market due to the timing, Dutcher being tainted etc there was no one to hire except Ellerbe at that point as he had not been around for any of the chicanery. Then Ellerbe actually had a good year, earning a #3 seed in the tourney and winning the BTT and with probable sanctions on the way we were in no position to go get a name coach. We made the wrong but seemingly sensible at the time decision to keep him and plow through the sanctions and get to the other side. No one understood then that it would not be resolved for many years.
As far as Amaker, certainly Bill Martin screwed that up as Pitino claims that he would have gone to M. But one of the primary reasons that Amaker was hired was because he had that squeaky clean Duke image and with the case still dragging along the University wanted to appear to have changed. Moreover the scandal was still hanging over the program and limiting the pool of candidates.
Facilities - I mostly agree that this is on the administration. But don't think that the scandal also didn't turn off some of the big money people who help get facilities paid for.
You can't blame Webber directly for a lot of MIchigan basketball's problems for the decade from 97 to about 07. But a lot of the choices that other people made were influenced and altered by both the sanctions, the sense of impending doom before the sanctions and the complications that arose because of the choices of Webber, T(r)aylor, and Bullock. Their actions set in motion the chain of effects that led to a lot of shitty basketball.
Don't get me wrong, I loved going to games during the Fab 5 era and the two tourney runs were great. In the big picture, violating amateurism rules is pretty small potatoes. Forgive that and move on and I am happy to reconcile with Webber. But I do still believe that a lot of the bad basketball grew out of Webber's choices and the long lasting consequences they resulted in.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Enfield seems like a dubious||
Enfield seems like a dubious hire to me. They just went with a guy having his 15 minutes of fame. It seems in large part that he was hired for style of play based on the Dunk City media fixation and the fact that Kevin O'Neills teams were boring as shit. He does have some NBA assistant experience and time at FSU but overall I think this one is also a little thin. USC has a pretty mediocre basketball history though.
Alford...not convinced he can recruit the players UCLA wants but he is a solid coach. Kind of a prick supposedly. I think this was just an OK hire, not terrible but not too exciting either.
Aside from assistants, I maybe would have tried to look at someone like Randy Bennett, Tad Boyle, Fran Dunphy, Andrew Toole, Marvin Menzies, maybe Keith Dambrot although he is a little old, Dave Paulsen etc. No doubt there are others but I don't know enough to say. Greg McDermott, although he might not be interested. I'd consider Larry Eustrachy although I also understand why you wouldn't hire him. Hiring a name coach isn't necessary but for me at least I would want a little bit more of a track record of success as a head coach.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Pitino Lite||
Kenpom has them 5th in the country in TO % and 11th in steal % with a fairly fast tempo so presumably they do indeed run the same pressing system.
Ten win improvement from last season for them but the resume is pretty thin. Who knows how it will turn out but I have to imagine that a lot of MN folks are wondering WTF? You would think they could at least find someone with a multi-year record of success and improvement.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Tourney Run||
I won't hold my breath waiting for Wichita State to start out recruiting North Carolina even though they've made it three rounds deeper in the tourney.
Regardless, hiring a kid's HS coach is a pretty good way to win his commitment based on anecdotal evidence from the past.
I'd still be most excited about a Booker commit if given a choice of any of the guys we are targeting.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||WI vs MN||
But when Wisconsin did their search, Ryan was hardly a hot name. His previous coaching career was basically 2 years of going .500 in the Horizon league at Wisky-Milwaukee and killing it at Division III Wisky-Plattsville. I don't really blame MN for trying but understand that if you find your guy it is going to be a young head coach from the MAC or Richmond or Northern Iowa or whatever. It's not going to be someone like Brad Stevens, Shaka Smart, Buzz Williams which are way out of Minnesota's league. Maybe it is just the media that is floating these names but you would think the A.D. would be leaking realistic names to the media for them to write about and thereby to control expectations so that the hire doesn't land with a thud.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Buzz||
Marquette is a better job than Minnesota. I guess you can't blame a program for trying but if they want to over reach and try to get Smart or Williams or some of these other coaches they better be ready to back up a Brinks truck for that coach because there is nothing else about that job that makes it really compelling.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||5th Year||
That was my first thought as well. Even a potential scrub just for depth and to allow for some possibility of redshirting Morris if Gardner stays healthy would have some value. Or to hedge against the disasterous possibility of Gardner/Morris being dinged simultaneously. Obviously you'd have to see attrition of 2+ before fall to put us at 84 and open up a schollie.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Rebounding||
Sorry but this is incorrect. Syracuse is 278th in the country in DREB% at 34.3%. In Big East play they finished 13th out of 15 teams in the conference at 36.6%. They are a bad defensive rebounding team just like most zone teams. McGary killing them on the glass and making his putbacks will be a huge key.
Not sure what stats you are looking at but they are probably some tempo free rebound numbers that reflect the low eFG% that Syracuse allows. They are a good OREB team FWIW, as you would expect based on their length.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Syracuse||
We won't get the shots that we did against Florida after they went zone because Syracuse is much longer. Their length does concern me as our perimeter shots will be pretty well contested. We'll have to get Burke penetrating and passing as well as having the guy who flashes towards the high post not have TOs and find the open man. Syracuse does not rebound well so we need McGary to go berserk on the boards. I think the matchup is OK but as always we will need to hit our 3s which means Stauskas/Hardaway. Hardaway is definitely in another one of his cold streaks.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Roster||
It's pretty hard to get guys who are good this late. We get LeVert late and you can see he has some talent but is also a bit of a project who will take time to develop. And we also took Albrecht but that was because we were going to basically have no PGs on the roster if Burke left. Had to do that and it worked out better than could have ever been hoped for. This year at the least you have one guy at each position on the roster returning for sure. The thing that would make a lot more sense to me would be to take a 5th year grad transfer. Get one or two of those guys for 13-14 who are attracted to a successful program for depth next year if we lose 2 or 3 guys to the league. Helps next year but doesn't tie up schollies on less talented guys. And then bring 2014 guys who are blue chips.
Burke is ghost and assuming that Hardaway/GR3 leave we have:
PG - Walton/Albrecht
SG - Irvin/LeVert
SF - Stauskas
4 - McGary/Donnal ?
C - Morgan/Bielfeldt/Horford
That lineup means you need to either have Donnal be good enough to play right away or you go with a traditional 4 type. The high post guy would then have to be McGary as he is the only big on the roster who can use the bounce and who has shown much potential with a 10'-12' type jumpers. Alternatively, in theory Irvin is about the same size as GR3 but if he plays at the 4 then you have only 3 guys manning 2/3/4 and not a single bench backup save Albrecht spelling everyone. That's 160 minutes for 1-4 which means that no one gets injured and everyone has to play 30+ minutes including the freshmen (again). And then a 5 man logjam at the 5 which is crazy; or at least 4 if Donnal backs up at the 4.
I realize that playing two bigs is not how Beilein rolls, but he has shown that one of his greatest strengths is his flexibility. And with our roster construction if GR3 and THJ leave it is something you have to consider. Would help with rebounding though obviously there are a lot of other downsides. Overall, seems like we need another 2/3 type for depth. Then you can go both big or small at the 4. A stretch 4 with ball skills would be great of course but those are not easy to find. Hardaway seems more replaceable but it seems GR3 leaving poses more problems. Although if Hardaway stays and GR3 goes then I guess that raises the question of whether Irvin becomes the 4 or...?
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Today||
I guess there is half of a generation for which M basketball is an afterthought and football (and perhaps hockey) is all that matters. But seriously, the Citrus Bowl win to cap off a 9-4 season vs a 9-4 Florida team or a win to go to the first Final Four in 20 years? It's not really very close.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||UCLA||
He probably needed to go. I just think the two will always be linked and compared and so if you are the AD you better make sure that Alford is a guy who will (and has) gotten it done. If they don't make the tourney it will be "At least Howland got to the tourney before losing to MN" or if they don't make the Final Four it will be "Even freaking Howland made the Final Four 3 times" etc. It's only natural to compare the two and the AD needs the guy he hired to look better. Not convinced that Alford will come out looking better than Howland in 5 years...but we'll see. And I think if Howland needs to go because the fans are not behind him after this article etc then why are you hiring a guy who will also not make your fanbase excited?
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Alford||
To some extent that is true as you have to have the support of the fans or it doesn't really work. But the A.D. also has to ask himself who is the better coach too. If you've fired a guy and you hire someone who is not any better then either your hiring process is flawed or you overestimated the attractiveness of the job or both. And you've released the current fan/media pressure but you haven't upgraded the program. Alford certainly lost the Iowa fanbase himself which is why he had to jump to NM. Certainly the job is a pretty good one but UCLA fans think that the job is the pinnacle of college basketball coaching based on some stuff that happened 40-50 years ago. They haven't figured out that the playing field is much more level and things like facilities, budgets, $, fan support etc matter too and UCLA. And this hire is not going to make the Bruin alums/boosters happy at all. He has no particular UCLA ties and this looks like settling rather than making a splashy hire. The fanbase will not be in love with him from day 1 by any means.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Alford||
Alford is a pretty good coach but he's clearly a notch below the really elite coaches like Roy Williams, Izzo, Self, Coach K, Pitino etc. Can't imagine that he is the sort of coach who would get fans excited and his resume is no better than Howland's. It's UCLA and the PAC12 is pretty weak right now so I wouldn't be surprised if they turn in a bunch of 25 win seasons but I also have a hard time imagining them becoming a perennial top 5 team like Duke.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Kansas||
The thing is that if you lose the football game it is a loss and then you move on to the next week's game. The 2011 football team was never going to win a national championship anyway so there were no bigger implications other than just that one loss if we lose to ND. In the tourney, you get the loss but it is not just a loss. It is win or go home. Football occasionally has games that are effectively elimination games for the national championship but that wasn't really in play at UTL. The magnitude of continuing your season, or not, makes this the greater game.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Fuck Yeah||
That was awesome. Improbable, and fucking awesome.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Jersey||
I hear ya. Hard to pull off that look for those of us old enough to remember 89. You can always put the T-Shirt underneath to mitigate the visual; as a bonus in this case it is also an authentic style since that is how Rice used to do it.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Agreed||
Yep, look at Gonzaga for a contrast in two approaches to a coaching career. Dan Monson has two excellent seasons at Gonzaga culminating in an Elite 8 run in 99. He leaves for the Minnesota job which is a mediocre major conference job in general and a total dumpster fire after Clem Haskins' shenanigans. He does OK and gets to just 1 NCAA tourney and quits/gets canned after 7 years. Now at Long Beach State and no one is talking about Dan Monson as a hot coach.
On the other hand, Mark Few follows him up at Gonzaga and has similar success but continues to stay at the school. And while they have come up a little short in the NCAAs lately, they continue to have a ton of success overall. Plus they have enough of a rep now that they can get games like Oklahoma, Butler, Illinois, WVU, Clemson, Baylor, OK State that help keep them on TV and in the spotlight. He can win 30 games a year. They've been to the tourney 14 straight years which is a longer streak than anyone but Duke, Kansas and MSU. His total compensation is less than it would be at say Indiana but he is still making around 1 million/year. And he could still jump to a major job at another school if he really wanted to.
I think increasingly you see other coaches at these other schools trying to do the same thing. Not everyone, but some. A place like Kansas will always get great coaches but the gap between a school like Illinois or Minnesota to that of a Butler or a VCU is smaller now. More parity in talent, more TV programming to fill with mid-major teams and more TV money to pay mid-major coaches. Really this is sort of the Jerry Tarkanian UNLV model which is that if you can establish yourself, prove that you can repeat success at small conference schools and build up enough of a brand w/ recognition then you can have sustainable success outside of the major conference schools. There is still good money, way more job security, less pressure and easier competition. Makes Butler or VCU or Gonzaga more of a possible destination than a stepping stone.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Hardaway||
I don't agree with that take on Hardaway. He shoots 39%/50%/70%. He doesn't get to the line much. His handle is improving but is still not that good for an NBA prospect. He's OK as a defender but not much more than OK. He's not a particularly good passer and has more turnovers than assists. His freshman and junior years he put up ORtings of 108 and was worse his sophomore year. Seems like a good kid and has the intangibles in that he wants the shot and is a bit of a leader on the team. But overall he's basically a streaky shooting high usage above average college SG with NBA size. That's a skillset that generally winds up in being a 2nd round pick and being a backup in the NBA. That is pretty damn good overall as that is not a bad life to live but it doesn't make him worthy of a high draft pick. He needs to either improve his game all around by making another step forward next year to build on what he did this year. Or he needs to simply make more shoots and in particular become better at creating his own shot.
No way he has better physical tools than Oladipo. Vitale's comparison of Oladipo to Jordan is over the top but Oladipo can still jump out of the gym and is way better off the bounce than Hardaway.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Tubby||
I can see both sides of this. Minnesota looks poorly organized on O, can't deal with zones and faltered down the stretch against some teams that weren't that good. You don't have the sense that after 6 years the program is really on the rise like you do with us or Indiana etc. Several major players are graduating. New AD wants to hire his guy which apparently is Shaka but I am highly skeptical that Shaka wants this job. Sometimes if you are Minnesota you don't just want to be Minnesota.
On the other hand, eh, you're Minnesota. Someone in the comments above said it is arrogant to say that. Well, MN does not have great history, the facilities suck, and you are competing with M, IU, MSU, WI, OSU etc. You've not won a conference championship in 31 years. You've only been to the NCAAs 5 times prior to Tubby being hired (excluding the years forfeited due to sanctions). This is just not a great program or a particularly compelling job. It's probably the 9th best job in a 12 team league. Winning 21 games and making the 2nd round is fairly good. You are firing a coach with 500 wins to his name who took Tulsa to 2 Sweet 16s, took freaking Georgia to the Sweet 16, won a national championship at Kentucky, has won 7 conference championships, has gone to the tourney in 17 of the last 20 years and has won 20 games 17 of the last 18 years. You may do better but more likely than not you'll do worse. Pretty big risk. They better have someone special and/or a heaping pile of cash lined up.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Gonzaga||
Playing a difficult schedule certainly prepares you for tough teams in the tourney and given that Gonzaga is in the WCC they need to do that. But Gonzaga consistently plays one of the tougher non-conference schedules and this year they played West Virginia, Clemson, Oklahoma, Davidson, Washington State, Illinois, Kansas State, Baylor, Oklahoma State and Butler. They are clearly trying hard to schedule major conference and quality mid-major opposition. So this doesn't really apply to them.
Anyway, it's one game and stuff happens. This game was decided by Wichita State going 14 for 28 from 3. If the Shockers shoot their season avg of 34% from 3 then they make 9 of 28 and score 15 fewer points on those 28 shots and lose this game.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Extensions||
Not sure why people are paying any attention to the length of the contract. A contract is only as long as the buyout is large. They can extend him to infinity and beyond but if his buyout remains the same then they really aren't any more committed than they were before. This is just a generic public relations move for recruiting purposes and to stifle rumors that he is on a heat seat because of another poor tourney performance. It's all lawyerable anyway.
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Syracuse||
Not sure if you are serious about being disappointed? Sorry my sarcasm detector may be deficient. At the least, Syracuse boosters were well-known to be throwing cash around in the 80s and 90s and Boeheim isn't stupid. The 93 tourney ban for Syracuse grew out of a little bit of that being uncovered but it was not exactly a big secret that there were more involved including some players from the state of MI who went to Syracuse. Dunno about this more recent stuff and college basketball isn't exactly filled with a lot of high minded saints. But Boeheim has had a certain rep for decades.
|2 years 18 weeks ago||B1G||
I will root for Minnesota, Illinois and OSU. I know some folks are unwilling to root for OSU under any circumstances but I have no particular dislike for Matta or their basketball team/program.
In prior years I would have rooted for Indiana but Crean's recurring douchebaggery has me leaning towards cheering for their opponents.
I loathe the style of basketball that Ryan and Wisconsin employ but I don't see how WI losing in the first round will bring his retirement on any earlier. As long as those redheaded bastards are neither playing Michigan nor occupying any of the pixels on my TV with those slowball brickfests that they substitute for basketball then I can tolerate Wisconsin having success with apathy.
I will root for MSU against Duke and only against Duke.
|2 years 18 weeks ago||ACC||
Miami and Duke both deserve a #1 more than Gonzaga IMO. Gonzaga killed their conference and all but winning the ACC at 15-3 is still more impressive to me than going undefeated in the WCC. And while I hate Duke, they were great out of conference and once you factor in the Kelly injury they probably deserved to be a #1 even more than Miami.
Virginia is a weird team. They went 11-7 in the ACC and have some pretty good wins but they also have some really bad losses. Seems to happen a lot to slow tempo teams like them or Wisconsin as the reduced possessions increases variance. Kenpom has them #27 and the highest rated team not to make the tourney. They also lost a lot of close games, 8 losses by 6 points or less. They can make an argument to be included but it's hard to feel like they got screwed or anything. Beat Delaware at home next time.
|2 years 18 weeks ago||SEC||
Kentucky probably would have been on the right side of the bubble had Nerlens Noel not gotten hurt as they were 17-6 at the time and finished 4-5. With him they were a decent team. Iowa and arguably Purdue are better than Alabama or Tennessee. Not good teams.
In general if you want to complain about how you are treated relative to other conferences it is a good idea not to go 0-3 against them as Tennessee did. But best of luck to him in the NIT or CBI or CIT or whatever it is they call those things now.
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Posturing||
I don't know what the future holds for collegiate "amateurism" but I am certain that Delany's position of power would be "de-emphasized" into a retirement well before athletics in the B1G ever will be. Way too many stakeholders with an interest in keeping the profits of this industry running full tilt even if it means shifting some of the $ from coaches/administrators to the players. The establishment would kick and scream but they'll go along in the end.
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Ratings||
The AdjustedO and AdjustedD numbers are basically just PPP on O and D adjusted for strength of schedule and then normalized against an average team. So that ranking for Florida already accounts for their easier schedule and the SEC. I believe it is based off of an adjustment just for the opponents corresponding O or D. That is to say, our AdjO is our PPP altered in some way by our OppD. I don't know what the actual formula is but if you use AdjO = PPP*(100/OppD) or the very similar PPP*(100.6/OppD) you will get something that is pretty close to AdjO. The constant 100.6 being the D1 average efficiency this year.
In any event, Florida is that highly ranked moreso because they have crazy high margins of victory in their wins rather than because of their soft schedule. They also played a pretty decent non-conference schedule with Wisconsin, Marquette, Middle TN St, Arizona and Kansas State so their overall schedule is respectable. No doubt though that Kenpom has them rated too high based on some blowouts because if they were really that good they would have to be insanely unlucky to lose 7 games.
|2 years 18 weeks ago||NCAAs||
People are just stressing because of how the year ended. Sure, weird shit happens occasionally and if a team gets hot from 3 then it could be close. But still, South Dakota State is bad at defense. Like...worse than Northwestern or PSU or Nebraska at defense. Worst defense we've seen since West Virginia. We are gonna score some points on them and Wolters will get his but we should win. Even after considering our play of late.
Now VCU on the other hand is a legit team and that will be an interesting game to see if they can force Burke to give it up or if he can break the press himself frequently.
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Kenpom prediction||
Actually, Kenpom has this as a neutral court game and the calculation is based on that. I'm surprised that he does not have it as semi-home but it says Neutral.
Home versus Neutral is worth about 4 points as a rough estimate in general with semi-home being 2 points or so.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Fuck Ben Brust||
Looking forward to this game so much. Hope the refs call all of their slappy fouls. Let's have a lead that is larger than 3 points at the end of the game please, k thanks.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Minutes||
No, you don't rest the starters. Winning a tournament is a great accomplishment and you have at least 3 and potentially up to 6 days up until the NCAAs (assuming we beat PSU).
You do play different rotations and go deeper into the bench because that is a means to the ends of winning the B1G tourney. When you are potentially playing 4 in 4 days and because after PSU we will be playing teams that did not have to play on Thursday we need to keep people fresh. If Burke plays 80 minutes against PSU and WI we are not going to beat Indiana, needs to be more like 60. Ideally, we kill PSU and win by 25 while resting guys, though that looks unlikely at this point. I think you'll see more of Albrecht bringing the ball up court even when Burke is in the game and both he and LeVert will get a fair number of extra minutes that will be spread around to various guys and lineups. I also think you'll see more 2 bigs sets, preferably with Morgan and McGary. Trying to get one guy to screen high and/or maybe even get McGary free for a 12 foot jumper here and there. Also to help on the boards. No drastic changes but enough to try to keep them fresh.
Lots of people mentioning UConn 2011. That's a legit example of a team that went on a big run and had to play through the whole tourney for 5 straight days and then won the NCAAs too. But the fact that everyone is using that same example also points out how much that team is the rare exception that proves the rule rather than the norm.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Goaltending||
The rule was changed but in the opposite direction. Perhaps 5 years ago? Previously you could block a ball after it hit the backboard if it was still on the way up. Now, touching it after it has hit the backboard is goaltending provided the entire ball is above the height of the rim.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Burke||
Not sure how you compare careers for Burke's 2 years versus someone like Grant who stayed 4 years. And Rumeal is hard to judge. How do you compare the decisive free throws in OT of a national championship game for a player who was quite good versus Burke and Grant who were simply better overall players than Rumeal but have no signature moment of that extraordinary magnitude?
Having said all that, in my opinion his 2 years as a PG were the best of any 2 years for any M PG and his season this year is on track to be the best season for any M PG in the 30 years I've been following the team. The low turnover numbers are really what sets him apart.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Satisfaction||
At least FInal Four and maybe a National Championship game appearance. Nobody hangs banners for the Elite 8 or Sweet Sixteen. I realize a lot of people here don't remember Michigan getting to those rounds but those really aren't a big deal. A Final Four is something to be proud of.
I'd also be very happy if we won a B1G tourney but I think that highly unlikely as we'll be more tired than our opponents in every round after PSU. Not gonna happen.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||WI||
Kenpom's system thinks Wisconsin is unlucky because their record is worse than you would expect based on their efficiency numbers. But kenpom has always calculated Wisconsin's efficiences and thus their quality of play to be much better than they are because there is something about the slow tempo 80-40 wins over Wisconsin-Rinkydinkville that makes his system think Wisconsin is dominating people every year. Love kenpom and it is the best ratings system out there but every year it overrates Wisconsin. Anyway, they are 7-4 in games that are 6 points or less this year (2 possessions) so hardly unlucky by any rationale measure and that doesn't even account for Brust's shot being like a 1% shot.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Burke||
Congrats to Burke regardless of what he does. Much harder to score 20 in today's game then in faster paced times of the past.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||5||
If we're the 5 we play PSU and it hurts our SOS/RPI even if we win. If we lose we really drop in seed. Even if we win, we have to come back and play the next day against a team that didn't play the day before. And then even if we beat WI in the 4 vs 5 we'll be playing our 3rd straight in the semis while Indiana is playing their 2nd straight and then in a hypothetical final we'd be playing our 4th straight day while OSU/MSU is playing their 3rd straight. You wind up with a more tired team than your opponents and that'll catch up to you at some point. Not good for a team that has arguably looked tired for a while now. There are several disadvantages to being the 5 and no upside to it. Obviously beating Indiana is the key but it would be fantastic if WI lost too.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Gack||
This style of basketball is just so bad to watch. There is something to be said for good defense but this is just total lack of ball skills too. Wisconsin didn't even get to 20 points. I can't wait until Bo Ryan retires. Fucking ugly basketball.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Brandon||
Can't wait to see what kind of uniforms he and Adidas cook up for the Postal Service.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Shot Calla||
You know you are getting old when someone references being a baller and an impala and you immediately think of a rap video that is 10+ years older than the rap video that that person is actually referencing:
[Didn't even remember the Michigan jersey....]
|2 years 20 weeks ago||VCU etc||
When we were down 52-40 I hit the DVR and went and did something else. Find out the final score and then watch it later after we win. Never watch it if we lost. Takes a lot of the aggravation out of being a fan although admittedly it is a bit anti-climactic. But after blowing it against PSU I was in no mood to see them let another opportunity to win the conference slip away.
I want nothing to do with VCU or Louisville or any pressing team. Burke would have 30 points on a bunch of layups but their traps would forced him to pass it a lot of the time as well and then we'd wind up with like 25 turnovers as the rest of the team is terrible at handling ball pressure. Hardaway and Stauskas would combine for 15-20 turnovers. Those guys are OK at straight line driving to the hoop but both have poor handles and would get eaten alive by that press. At a minimum you'd have to have either LeVert or Albrecht in the entire game just for ball handling and that hurts the offense. I guess I am in the in boil us alive group. Plus VCU is #14 in kenpom which puts them as a #4 seed in quality so no I don't want to be playing anyone that good in the second round in say a 3 vs 6 or 2 vs 7 if VCU is under-seeded. Third round would be OK, still don't like the matchup but at that point you are probably going to be playing a good team no matter what.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Probabilities||
Just eyeballing those numbers it looks like about an 8% chance of both losing to Indiana and getting the first round bye. Most of that is from the scenario where WI loses to MSU and PSU. Otherwise, it is pretty much beat Indiana or else we have to play on Thursday against PSU.
Didn't check how Kenpom's % vary from the Massey #s you used but I know we are 44% against Indiana on kenpom and Massey has it as 45% so it sounds like perhaps they are pretty similar.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||5 seed||
Appreciate the numbers but that looks a bit off. Kenpom has us with a 44% chance of beating Indiana and if we beat Indiana there is no scenario where we are the #5 seed. So we have at least a 44% chance of being higher than a #5 seed and no more than a 56% chance of being a #5 seed but you are listing us at 62%. Doesn't follow logically.
Perhaps you just took the pythag numbers and came up with a lower win % against Indiana based on that w/o accounting for home court? Not sure what else might be the issue.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Possibilities||
Those % are kinda interesting but basically meaningless since they assume a 50/50 chance of each outcome. So MSU pops up at 37.5% chance of a #5 but in 2/3rd of those scenarios they will have lost at home to NW which is like 2% chance of happening. If you weight them for probable outcomes it does not look pretty for Michigan if we do happen to lose Sunday.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Beat Indiana||
A win is a win. One game to win for a banner and a championship. Nice and simple.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Tiebreaker||
Incidentally, not a fan of this tiebreaker process. This is why you want to actually have a schedule where you play all of these other good teams at home instead of missing them as we did with WI and MN this year. Sure you might lose that home game but you'll probably win and that will help under this tiebreaker. Head to head is fine when teams play a full home and home but with the unbalanced schedule we wind up losing a lot of these tiebreakers because of the Wisconsin loss. This whole thing would shake out differently if Wisconsin had had to come to Ann Arbor. It seems to me that a better tiebreaker in cases where you play once would be using the combined conference records of the teams that you had to play on the road. That would reflect the advantage that IN gets by not having to play @WI and that WI gets by not having to play @MI as the cumulative winning % of the teams that they played on the road is less than than it is for us. Teams that played a harder schedule, and this applies to MSU as well, should receive a benefit rather than a penalty for that in seeding.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Seeding||
Use this handy gif to look up any permutation:
And obviously discard the lower half where Indiana wins tonight. I think the main thing is just to think that we need to win out and not be the #5. Aside from the more important fact that that gives us a share of the conference championship and a banner to hang.
Though if I had my choice I would love to play those fuckers from Wisconsin again.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Go _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _||
It's not likely but kenpom has them at about 20%. I mean, if Indiana can lose at home to Wisconsin, if we can lose to Penn State, Kansas to TCU etc etc. It's not like 1%, OSU is still a good team. Crazy things can happen in one college basketball game.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Bracket||
Interesting bracket. New Mexico is weak for a #3 and I'd be fine with Gonzaga as the #1. North Carolina might be tough for a #7 but that's life. The real interesting matchup would be VCU (if they beat New Mexico, and kenpom does have VCU as the better team). Not sure how that would work out. Burke's so great but Hardaway's handle is terrible against traps or in the open court and Stauskas isn't good at that either. You'd have to play LeVert 30 minutes as we'd need his handle against that D and either go real small or cut Hardaway/Stauskas' minutes. Anyway, still probably a very favorable bracket overall.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Big 10 referees||
A lot of people are posting the "There are no B1G referees, only NCAA [Division 1] referees" comment. On its face this is true, but it partly misses the point. While it is true that the guys who do B1G games do other conference games as well, it's not like there is a random massive pool of nationwide refs from which the B1G game assigments are drawn and all of the individual differences cancel out. Most refs work primarily within just a few conferences and usually that is based on either the top conferences (B1G, ACC, Big East) or it is based on geography (B1G, MAC, Horizon). The B1G scheduling coordinator seeks out certain refs who they perceive to be good. Secondly, many refs actually have a primary conference that they declare. The way that works is that refs pick a primary conference who gets to schedule them as much as the league wants and in exchange they get more $ for being responsive to the league's scheduling needs and the convenience of already getting a chunk of games scheduled in one geograpic region.
There are 18 games/team *12 teams * 3 referees divided by 2 teams per game = 324 referee assignments per season (ignoring BTT). Last year there were 9 men who did 168 of those 324 assignments or 52% of all ref assignments. See: http://statsheet.com/mcb/conferences/big-ten/referees?season=2011-2012. All sorts of great data on refs on that site by the way. When people talk about B1G refs they are talking about the style of those particular refs who are popping up at a lot of B1G games. TV Ted is just one guy but he was in about 22% of the conference's games last year. See that link above but Mike Kitts, TV Ted, Terry Wymer, Mike Sanzere and Ed Hightower did 1/3 of the refs assignments in the regular season. Just five guys. So yeah, there are not B1G exclusive officials but there are a fairly small group of officials who do B1G games a lot and make up a good % of the refereeing. Now, whether those particular guys who do the B1G currently are more prone to allowing physical play is I guess is up for debate. Dunno what the data says. Certainly there are individual differences that are clearly visible over time
The conference office's direction and tradition of play in the league and other stuff may also play a role. For sure reputation matters. No way that the Iowa guy, McCaffrey, gets away with the physical play against us that Izzo does. But Izzo has been to 6 Final Fours and has a reputation for teams w/ physical play and reputation matters so he'll get more calls or more importantly more non-calls. Refs are human.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Go Blue||
Love Burke. We went 0-12 from 3 and still beat Sparty by locking them down on D. Crazy game. But we won. :-)
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Henson||
The statement on Henson could have been worded with more nuance but it is basically correct. When he came out of Brighton in 98 the Yankees drafted him and the understanding was that he could finish his college career at Michigan and play a more limited baseball schedule than a minor league prospect normally would. That seems to be what the writer was referring to and it was indeed the understanding during the 98-00 seasons. Later on he was traded to the Reds during the 2000 baseball season and then traded back to the Yankees around the time of the spring game in 2001. From the Yankees perspective, that agreement ended at the point he was traded to the Reds. Then when he was traded back to the Yankees Henson agreed to a new contract and to quit football and play baseball only. So the Yankees did push for him to quit baseball but in so far as the writer was referring to the first time they owned his rights it is correct. It was only after he was traded to the Reds and traded back that they forced him to choose between football and baseball. Could have been written more clearly certainly.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Big East||
Perhaps they could call themselves the Apostolic 12. Would Butler be doubting Thomas? Or perhaps DePaul since I doubt that they'll ever be good again.
I need a spreadsheet or something to keep track of which teams are in which conferences.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Chairs||
That's actually a pretty nice catch on the second chair that gets thrown at her. Just takes the one hand, the left one too, and snags it and tucks it under in one motion. Ready to turn up-field and toss another table. Braylon would have dropped that for sure.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||3s||
In theory, you could just chalk this game up to streaky 3 point shooting. Both teams take 20 and PSU makes 5 more than we did which is 15 extra points. If the teams shoot their 3s to form then we make ~8 and they make ~6 and that is 6 points our way. That's a 21 point swing from what you normally would expect if both teams took 20 3s. Pretty lucky shooting by PSU. But still, I don't buy in completely to that. In the bigger picture we are playing mediocre defense right now and I still think our guys lack energy. To me we played fairly well against Indiana and Wisconsin even though we lost but we just have not been the same since Brust's shot. Seems like the turning point in our season...so far.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Gophers||
We've still got a lot of work to do but it is great to control everything. Can't wait until the weekend.
Beat Penn State! And F Ben Brust!
We have total control over our overall NCAA seed as well. If we won out we would have beaten MSU, Indiana and then something along the lines of Illinois, MSU and Indiana again in the BTT if we were the #2 BTT seed. That's a lot to ask...but if it happened it would give us the best resume in college basketball. Next two weeks are gonna be crazy.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Gophers||
Sometimes I watch Minnesota and think that they are just missing all these shots on purpose just to see if they can get the offensive rebound. God, they miss so many easy shots and get more OREBs than any team I can recall.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||MSU||
That was my first thought too after reading those. Between MSU 1990 and MSU 2001 it is pretty clear that officials (and timekeepers) do affect the outcome of games. The 5th down game between Missouri and Colorado when Colorado later won the national championship as well as the kicked ball by Nebraska against Missouri in 1997 also came to mind. There are tons of example of the officials significantly impacting who won football games.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Brackets||
Agree that there are more tough teams in the West. But the actual path and 4 teams that we would have to play is tougher than what Gonzaga faces. If the bracket held to form. We'd play:
#3 Louisville/#15 Oklahoma State
#133 Long Beach
#37 Cincinnatti/#38 Memphis
#6 Wisconsin/#27 St. Louis
#13 Miami/#16 Arizona/#11 Ohio State/#7 Pitt
We'd face the tougher opponent in each round than Gonzaga would. Tougher than Indiana and Duke as well.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Illinois||
I don't pay much attention to Dakich but I did note when he said that Glenn Robinson II was the best Big Ten player he had seen except for Steve Alford or Calbert Cheaney. Which...granted he only played two years but for those of us old enough to remember Big Dog averaging 30 PPG and like 10 boards/game during his second year I found that to be pretty funny. I'm not old enough to remember Magic or guys before that but I'm certain that Robinson was better than Cheaney who was better than Alford.
As far as the minutes, I think the issue is not wearing down over the course of the season but wearing down in tourneys. In the B1G we'll have to play 2 in 2 for the semis and 3 in 3 if we play in the final. Beilein will have to play the bench more and play some lineups that we haven't seen as much. Think we'll see more 2 big lineups, and more Levert. Might still have just as many minutes for Burke as we are so dependent on him. Ideally, we get Illinois or Iowa as a #2 versus #7 matchup and win comfortably in the first game.
Not as bad in the NCAAs but you are still doing 2 in 3 days so it is different than the Wed/Sat flow of the regular season where it is 2 in 4 days or 2 in 5 most of the time.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Bracket||
That's a harsh bracket. VCU would be tough for a #8 seed. And Louisville and Florida are the #1 and #3 overall teams in Kenpom and that would be just to get to the FInal Four. Not sure that Florida is as good as kenpom thinks they are but they are still pretty tough and Louisville would be a really nasty team to have as a #4 seed. In theory we could play the #1, #2, #3 and #4 team on kenpom if the favorites held to form and we then had to play Indiana and Gonzaga. Getting no benefit out of the fact that New Mexico is a weak team for a #2 seed.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Gracias||
I've done a little bit of class 5 climbing but I'm not much of a climber. Mostly as a means to tagging some peak. I do get to down a fair amount of scrambling and mountaineering with the snow/glaciers that we have in WA. But the majority of the time it is just hiking or snowshoeing and such.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Thanks, much appreciated||
Thanks for the kind words and best of luck on your AT hike.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Backpacking||
2)I do a lot of hiking and mountaineering. Nothing super technical but I get out a lot in scenic places and I have done a decent number of peaks. As much as I loved living in Ann Arbor for 11 years, I don't think I'll ever choose to live in the Midwest again as I'd miss the mtns too much. If you're bored at work you can poke around my photo albums from some hikes:
When I was younger I thought that doing the PCT would be something I would enjoy but I eventually realized that I don't love the backpacking aspect to grind out that much time sleeping in a tent. I'm always very impressed with the people who have the mental stamina to thru hike the AT/PCT/CDT etc.
To answer the other questions:
1)Nothing in particular.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Scoring||
The physical play is definitely the biggest thing. On the perimeter and on finishing near the basket. So much bumping with the hips and torso too. It's the fouls that don't get called. There are some teams that basically foul on every play because the coaches and players know that the refs are not going to call all of those fouls. Calipari was 100% correct. They need to call those fouls even if it means calling 70 fouls in a game. But they won't. A game with a zillion fouls called would be brutal to watch but eventually if you keep calling them the overly physical play will stop and the end result will be a superior game.
The 30 second shot clock is definitely something that they should go to. The women do that and the NBA plays with 24. There is no reason that you can't get a good shot within 30 seconds. That won't solve everything but it will be an improvement.
The lack of the veteran talent which is now in the NBA instead of being college seniors and juniors certainly hurts the high end teams a lot. But that really hurts a relative handful of teams and since a lot of those guys are post players anyway it really doesn't slow the game down that much to not have them around.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Loyola Marymount||
It's a shame that no one plays like that anymore. Can you imagine anyone scoring 149 points now? That's like 3 games worth for Wisconsin. It was really kind of a crazy way to play basketball but it was so incredibly entertaining and unique. That was when the shot clock was still 45 seconds then too I believe. If I recall correctly I believe their goal was to get a shot up within 7 seconds on every possession and because of the way they trapped with the full court press the other team pretty much wound up getting an open shot pretty quickly. But they would still win a lot because they generated turnovers, could out shoot most teams and they had way better conditioning.
I knew we were going to lose the day before the game when Rumeal was quoted in the Ann Arbor News saying that we could run with them. Which was insane, no one could run with them. UNLV beat them the following weekend by having Larry Johnson post up and then having Augmon slash to the basket. Oh well. UNLV would have killed us anyway. That UNLV team and the one the next year that lost to Duke in the Final Four was as good as any team in the 30 years that I've been watching college basketball.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Oh well||
This sucks but it is not surprising. IU is probably the best team in the conference or at the least they are currently. I'm still annoyed that they don't have to play in Madison this year.
We blew it at Wisconsin. Fuck you Ben Brust. Ohio State was also one we easily could have won.
On the bright side of life, MSU is not too likely to win the conference at this point either. If given a choice between Indiana winning the B1G outright or Sparty doing so, I'll take Indiana.
But here is a disgusting thought. What if we lost to Sparty and Sparty beat OSU while IU beat MN. Then...we would come down to the last game of the season where if we beat Indiana then Sparty gets a share of the conference championship but they don't if we lose. God that would be so awful.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Sparty||
The Izzo thing is a poke at Michigan. He could have made the exact same point without the words "like Michigan has" and the same point would have been made. Or substitute in "like Syracuse" since they've been scheduling cupcakes for 30 years.
Also, there have been years where his point was valid as MSU had really tough schedules. This year, eh, not so much. Their schedule is pretty similar to ours:
#47 vs UConn
B1G/ACC Challenge #10 @Miami
#4 vs Pitt
#34 vs K-State
#108 vs WVU
B1G/ACC Challenge #43 NC State
They didn't schedule anything harder than us. WVU and TX both turned out to be total flops. Arkansas is blah. But it is pretty even. Kansas and UConn are just bigger names but they aren't really better than Pitt and KState. It did turn out that MSU drew an opponent in Miami in the B1G/ACC that is better than expected and NC State doesn't like to play defense but that is not something that the schools schedule.
What Izzo probably should be saying is that people kind of forgot about them because of those two losses but it was only 2 games in the course of a ~35 game season. And @Kansas is a great win that they should have gotten more credit for but people forget about it because it was a while ago.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Schedule||
Schedule was harsh this year:
Missed road games against probably the 8th and 11th best teams in the conference
No chance to play Wisconsin or Minnesota at home. Yes, some chance we lose those games relative to missing say Iowa and Illinois, but I'd much take a little bit higher chance of a loss for us in exchange for the opportunity to give other contenders a likely loss.
Play all 5 of the best teams at their place first.
Two biggest home games during spring break.
4 tough games in a row and in a short 11 day period.
"Bye" week this weekday comes in between two home games, and fairly easy ones at that. Whereas Indiana gets a week off between @MN and @M. And MSU gets a week off between @OSU and @M.
No way to make it fair w/o playing a full 22 games but it will still be annoying if Indiana wins the conference by a game or ties for it when they did not have to go to Madison. Especially considering that Ryan has owned Crean. Likewise, it will be annoying if Wisconsin gets a share considering that they did not have to come to Ann Arbor. I'd hate to see Sparty get part of the conference title but at least they will have earned it by being the only other "top" team besides us to play all 5 games on the road.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Player of the Week||
It would be interesting to go back and look at when Indiana players have won Player of the Week or Freshman of the Week under Crean. I'm too lazy to look it up but I would be shocked if they haven't gotten those awards under Crean during a week where they also lost. Of course, if that happened I am 100% certain that he must have questioned the criteria and objected vehemently to individual play being valued more highly than team success in determining the winner of an individual award given weekly. /s
|2 years 23 weeks ago||Lots of memories||
I'd probably go with the end of the Rose Bowl 97 or Howard's catch in 91.
Shocked at how few people mentioned Rumeal's free throws/Rice's insane tournament performances to win us a national championship in favor of regular season football games like MSU 04 or PSU 05. But maybe the board demographic is a little young and football focused for that.
Agree with whoever said 1993 Kentucky. Great game and the highest caliber college basketball game that I've seen in person or that Michigan has played in in the last 30 years IMO.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||Sparty on...||
I think he has a little bit of a point in general. MSU was not playing well at the beginning of the season and the media has been slow to pick up on the fact that they are playing pretty well right now. The Miami loss looks a lot better. Wins @WI, Kansas, OSU and over us is pretty impressive.
But he didn't do himself any favors with that absurd Oladipo vs. Dawson comparison. Let's see Oladipo is making 67% of his 2P shots and 52% of his 3s. Meanwhile Dawson has made 57% of his 2s and has yet to make a 3 this season. Oladipa gets to the line a lot more (46 FT rate vs 33 for Dawson) and shots 75% there vs. 55% by Dawson. Oladipo's assist rate is about 50% higher than Dawon's. Dawson has a slightly higher DReb rate, Oladipo a hair better at ORebs. Dawson with a few more blocks and Oladipo with a few more steals. Both with a lot of turnovers. Overall though they are not in the same ballpark. Oladipo is #1 in the country in Total Shooting and Dawson is #361. Dawson's a solid player but Oladipo has been insanely efficient offensively and is worthy of national player of the year consideration.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||WI vs MN||
Minnesota crowd was chanting Fuck Bo Ryan at the end of the first half as he screamed due to a perceived foul that the officials missed. Loved it.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||Thoughts||
I'm not surprised they got killed by MSU. MSU was gonna be hyped and 2nd road trip in 4 days, 4 tough games in 11 days w/ 3 roadtrips, coming off a really tough loss etc. They looked tired even before MSU. My biggest gripe this season is that GR3 and Stauskas have been playing too many minutes. I know they are the best options but the minutes are too high IMO for freshman. Not enough off-ball movement and sloppy defense but I think those are caused by guys with tired legs. With only two games in two weeks and both at home between MSU and @PSU we should get some rest and energy back. Bad teams and rest will make this team look a whole lot better.
Beilein needs to say something about the rough play before the MSU game. He probably won't as he is too classy but if ever there is a time to bring focus to that it is before we play them at home.
The defense is a big concern. We are now last in the conference is 2Point % D and 10th in eFG%. Either that is indicative of missing Morgan more than we thought we would or we just are not that good defensively. Probably a bit of both. A lot of the interior problems are team defense mistakes but those are forced by the perimeter guys not being that good.
It still won't take much for us to tie for the conference title. We just need to win at home and have MSU beat IN and then OSU beat MSU.
Tournaments are weird things and while I think that Indiana is a little bit better than us (maybe Florida too?) we are more or less as good as anyone else in the country.
Purdue may be a trap game since it is sandwiched in between MSU and Indiana. Still, we should win. And we are basically done with road games otherwise. No more home whistles and home crowds against good teams.
Need a bit more physicality. Not sure that that is gonna happen this year, probably not.
I hope Walton and Irvin are good defenders. We won't be as good offensively next year but in the long term we can make up for Burke and possibly Hardaway leaving by replacing guys who are not as good at D with better defenders. I also hope those guys can create off the dribble because right now Burke is the only guy doing that and he'll be gone next year.
Will be interesting to see what happens long term with the mix of post players and the 4 spot. Obviously depends on whether Hardaway goes pro. But if GR3 stays and Hardaway goes and you keep GR3 at the 4 then you have Irvin/Stauskas starting at 2/3 and LeVert has to sub in for both spots w/ Walton/Albrecht at point. Then GR3 at the 4 w/ one of the bigs as his backup. If you have a roster of 11 guys, assuming Burke and Hardaway gone, don't see how you can have 5 of the 11 sharing 1 post spot between Donnal, Morgan, Horford, McGary and Bielfeldt. I expect we'll have to consider playing 2 bigs more of the time w/ McGary or Donnal at the high post and possibly move GR3 to the 3. Or else bring in a last second recruit to play the wing but that is unlikely to be a high level player. Lots of variables but this roster looks like it is drifting to be more of a traditional one with a bigger 4 rather than what Beilein has been running. It's been fascinating to watch his system evolve as the talent gets better and I've been amazed at how adaptable he is.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||Experience||
It's not easy being young. Horford and Morgan? The former has been mostly injured or on the bench for his whole career and the latter is injured now. Looks like 2553 of 5050 minutes this season have gone to freshmen. Stuff like this happens when freshmen play the majority of your minutes.
You say that everyone plays freshman etc. And yet somehow only 7 of the other 346 Division I teams are younger than us (per kenpom). Not sure how you reconcile the idea that everyone is inexperienced with the basic fact that we are in about the 97th or 98th percentile for experience in the country. The only major conference teams younger than us are:
#91 St. Johns 7-5, 15-9
#95 Texas 2-8, 10-13 overall
#117 Boston College 2-8, 10-13 overall
#187 CSU-Northridge 4-9, 13-12
#290 Dartmouth 6-14
#292 Samford 8-17
#315 Northern Illinois 5-17 (and with a 4 point half!)
Lot of bad basketball from those young teams.
Kentucky is the exception. As soon as we have a roster full of 1st round picks then we can start holding ourselves to exceptional standards.
Nix and Payne? Senior and junior post players.
There's been a lot of haggling about the Fab 5 recently and what their legacy is. As it relates to age, I'll just point out that while everyone remembers the run to the National Championship game in 92, there were a lot of struggles along the way with that young team. They finished 20-8 in the regular season, 11-7 in the Big 10 and were a #6 seed. Different game and different talent. But being young is never easy.
These guys laid an egg yesterday and they have some shortcomings. But this is a top 10 team that still has some chance at the regular season title and a decent chance at making runs in both the B1G and NCAA tourneys.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Wisconsin||
The officials hosed us. There was another play in the first half too where the ball bounced off of a Wisky player's head laying on the ground and the ref said it was off Stauskas. Just atrocious. LeVert was hammered on one play. A lot of poor calls. I thought the one WI block was a goaltend. McGary also goaltended on a play and they missed that although WI immediately got a putback.
We need to finish better and be more physical in finishing. Guys got fouled on a lot of shots close to the rim and those fouls were not called and became misses. That's on the refs but if they take some of those shots up stronger then they will get calls.
In the big picture, B1G officials let way too much physical stuff with the hands go on and now the body bumping is out of hand too. That's always going to be a disadvantage for us as that is not our style of play and favors certain teams like WI and MSU that tend to be overly physical.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||3||
Wisky guy seems to think our 3P defense is bad because people take a lot of 3s against us as he mentioned that in both articles. Kenpom has certainly been talking up the idea that minimizing 3P attempts is more important defensively than the % your opponents take. The stats also back up the idea that people take a lot of 3s on us as Kenpom has us with the highest 3PA/FGA ratio in the B1G.
But if you actually look at individual games we have had a lot of 3s jacked up against us by teams that were losing by large margins like NW (x2), Purdue, Iowa and Illinois. I mean NW took almost half of their shots from 3 in the first game but it was because they were behind by 20 points 10 minutes into the game. The games that were more competitive were generally the ones where teams took fewer 3P shots. It seems like he may be looking a stat and concluding that our defense is poor when people take a lot of 3s when it may just be people jacking up a ton of 3s because they are down 15 or 20 points rather than because they are good shots. We aren't a great defensive team by any means but I don't think that our perimeter D is clearly weaker than our interior D which is what I read his comments to be saying.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Sweet||
What a collapse in the last 3 minutes by Indiana. And how weird not to see Illinois screw things up for once. Awesome. Indiana still has their 4 toughest road games ahead and 2 losses. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they only win 1 of 4, maybe at Minnesota.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Campbell||
I'm suprised that Campbell wasn't invited. The NFL is always desperate for D Linemen.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Offense||
The PPP is misleading in this case. The offense certainly scored a lot of points but we got to that 1.19 number by shooting 14 of 24 from 3. Shooting 58% from 3 is not sustainable and not going to happen again against a good team. We've got good shooters but we are hitting 40.2% on the season from 3. So that 1.19 is inflated by a lucky shooting night. If we shoot our season average of 40% instead of 58% that is about 10 of 24 on 3s and 12 fewer points, maybe a little less due to OREBs and that game turns into something along the lines of a 10 point loss.
At this point it looks like Burke is having trouble creating penetration against more athletic and physical teams. Better competition, sure. Tired legs? Maybe. Just not able to do it? Dunno. In any event, that reduces the open shots for everyone and leads to a lot more perimeter shots that are often contested. It's not a strategy for beating the very best teams. We need someone else, and it doesn't necessarily have to be Burke, to force the defense to rotate off the dribble and then pass to the open baseline guys or cutters or just score. It hasn't happened against the good teams yet.
Having said that, we don't need to score 1.19 PPP (or hit 58% from 3) if we can do a better job defensively. And we'll pretty much have to if we want to win the B1G, B1G tourney or the tournament. OSU hit some shoots too that they don't normally hit. But that was not a good defensive performance by us.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||F Ohio||
The missed flagrant was offset by the no call at the end. Which was a just outcome given that lame missed goaltending earlier anyway.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Ellerbe||
I agree with your overall point and the parts about Amaker and facilities. Also the UNLV team, great fun to watch them too.
But as far as "Who hired Brian Ellerbe?", that disaster pretty much can be traced back to Fisher/Webber/T(r)aylor/Bullock et al. It's not like Goss/Bollinger just picked Ellerbe from among a pool of great candidates. It was October and everyone else in basketball had a job when the law firm report came down and made it necessary to immediately fire Fisher. There was no choice to hire anyone better or to promote Dutcher who was too close to Fisher to be viable. Effectively, the Martin scandal forced them to hire him on an interim basis.
You can perhaps make an argument that they shouldn't have given Ellerbe more than one year. Obviously in hindsight it seems like a terrible blunder. But at the time people thought that he had done a solid job guiding that 97-98 team to a 25-9 record and #3 seed and we all thought that the NCAA was going to drop the hammer big time and that no one else would want the job until that was resolved and suffered through. That latter part probably was true. So I think you pretty much can lay Ellerbe at the feet of Webber and company as their violations set in motion the circumstances that led to that period.
Now Amaker is a different story and that falls on Bill Martin big time for flubbing the Pitino hire.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Wisky||
IU doesn't have to play @Wisconsin this year. Which is extraordinarily fortunate for them since Ryan has beaten Crean like 11 times in a row.
They do still have to go to Minnesota though FWIW.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||IU||
Burke took way too many poor shots. Needed more penetration and less jump shooting.
Like the mental toughness that they showed, just like in the OSU game in coming back. But they did not play smart.
Not only were Stauskas and GR3 invisible on offense but they were used on D too. Played freshman which is gonna happen. Oh well.
I don't have all that big of a problem with Zeller's putbacks. He's a beast and they are 6th in OReb so giving up about 35% on those is not unexpected or that bad.
Officiating was horrible. Seen it so many times at Indiana it is just a running joke.
F Oladipo. And someone please make Vitale retire.
Bit of bad luck as Indiana isn't going to hit 88% of their 25 FTs very often. We never drove to the rim for easy 2s in the endgame, just more 3s, not a good idea.
Missed about 5 shots right at the rim too in the first half which was part of how they built their lead.
You play bad and you lose sometime. I think the bigger concern is that when we run into adversity Burke does the heroball thing and runs clock down and then shoots a 3. Not a winning strategy against other top teams. Need to run the offense like normal.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Bench||
Yeah, I think the bench was a little bit better than some people who did not follow the team closely back then realize. The Talley/Pelinka/Voskuil/Riley group played major minutes early in the 91-92 season and all except Pelinka were starters on the 90-91 Demetrius Calip led NIT team that was sandwiched between the Mills/Vaught/Robinson/Griffin/Higgins group and the Fab Five. Those guys were very experienced and pretty solid.
I think '93 Riley would start over '13 Morgan but the difference is pretty marginal. I am guessing that by next year McGary will be a more complete player than either one of those two.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||20 years||
This team may play better basketball in some sense but I don't think they are on the same level as the Fab 5. The high end talent, especially for post players was just so much better when the best players would virtually always stay for 3 years. We are after all talking about basically 3 NBA All-Star players on one team and while this team is talented it isn't like that.
The Fab 5 did have more turnovers as they would often try to make too many passes just for style points. They did not shoot FTs well. The one thing that this team certainly does better is shoot. King could shoot OK and Voskuil and Pelinka were actually solid from the perimter. But that team really could have used a wing 3 who could shoot from the perimeter. I loved Ray Jackson toughness but he was not a good shooter and that team would have been that much better with a Stauskas type at the 3.
Again, hard to compare rebounding across eras but with Webber, Howard and Eric Riley off the bench they had a lot of height for rebounding. People also forget that that was a better defensive team than this one, mostly because of its length and athleticism. They held opponents to about 41% FG that year IIRC. Although they would double the post touches a lot and that made them vulnerable to good shooting 3 point teams. Though It was a little easier to recover on doubles and help back then as the 3 point line was about a foot closer.
This team is probably closer to its potential whereas the Fab 5 never quite put it all together and lost a lot of close important games ie Duke x2, UNC, IU, OSU etc. They are not as good in absolute terms IMO but obviously they can still win championships so they can still achieve much more than the Fab 5 did.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||IL v. MSU||
Nice, 10 point lead at the half.
I can't decide if Illinois is just unlucky with their recent terrible shooting or if it is their own fault for taking lousy looks. Probably both. The numbers look like just a cold streak but when you watch them it is like they take the first open perimeter shot they see on every possession.
Appling sure takes a lot of shots for a guy with a 46.6 eFG%. Got to be frustrating to the Sparty fans to see him take shots that should be going to Harris or Payne.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Collector's paper cup?||
Must have been a slow day at Arby's if the employees are uploading videos to youtube.
We did pretty much get crushed in 2010. They might have actually had the better team in 1999 too when they crushed us by 3 points.
The 1990 trip of Desmond and the Sparty Bob timekeeping game in 2001 were crushing in a certain way I suppose.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||$$$$$||
The weirdest thing to me about Treadwell to Ole Miss is not that a kid would go to a certain school based on that. It's that either Ole Miss had the most to offer among all schools that have something to offer or that there were certain schools that were atttractive to him and yet Ole Miss was the most attractive choice among the group of schools that met his criterion.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Re: $ Pics||
Funny thing is that there are 3x $100s, the back of a $5 bill visible at the top and maybe a few others beneath that in Treadwell's pic. That's $305 plus some unknown other stuff that may or may not be $1s or $100s or nothing.
Post a pic of a few 100s in cash and you can pretend you're a baller. But if you told the ladies you had $305 in your checking account you can be sure that no one is mistaking you for Jay Z. Something weird to kids about cash money.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Re: 1989 Illinois||
I remember sitting in the upper deck in Crisler for the last home game in 1989. That was Frieder's last game and of course in those days there was no Big 10 tourney so that was the last game before the NCAAs. We were on a little winning streak and thought that maybe this team had finally put it together. We were very talented, obviously, and ranked like #2 or #3 at the beginning of the season but we'd been a little bit of a disappointment during Big 10 play. But we were playing well, ranked around #10 and I don't think that we'd lost a home game that year (could be wrong as that was a long time ago...). Anyway, Illinois came in and they just outplayed us the whole game. They didn't just win; they were the better than us. It turned into an easy road win for them as they lead by 20 in the second half.
So when we got to the Final Four, even though we'd slaughtered Virgina, it still felt like we were probably gonna lose. Yeah, it was now Fisher instead of Frieder and Rice was on fire. But, we'd been beaten by them comfortably on our homecourt just 3 weeks earlier so a win didn't seem likely. In the end, that underdog feeling just made the victory even sweeter.
I guess the point being that if you followed basketball closely in those days, you could understand how Illinois fans could be hung up on that game. It was actually quite similar to 2005 where they were probably the best team at the Final Four but they did not win it and those chances to win it all are rare for most programs so you don't forget them.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Athletes...||
Mateen Cleaves, he would have changed the course for two programs over about a decade long span.
Garnett. People thought he was coming to M and would be another insane athlete like Webber (and he was, in his own way).
Tebow is a good one.
Justin King maybe puts us over the top in 2006. Victor Harris? Lots of secondary guys come to mind.
Did we recruit Rocket Ismail? That was before I followed recruiting.
It's selfish but I can't help but wonder what would have happened if some of the teams would have had certain guys who went pro early. Imagine the 93-94 team with Webber. The 92 football team that went 9-0-3 if they'd had Desmond. Drew Henson to the Yankees. Given the weak schedule we played in 2001, hard to see how we still lose to any of Washington, Sparty Bob and Tressel with Henson. Go to the national championship game and get killed by Miami. But still, the whole rivalry dynamic would have changed if Tressel had lost that first game in Ann Arbor. It's too easy to imagine all of the things in the past that could have had positive ripple effects if they had happened differently.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Staukas etc||
Stauskas definitely has some work to do on the defensive end. However, I don't think you can really hold him responsible for Byrd's early points. Those were pretty much bad shots that Byrd happened to hit. One was a bs bank shot and another was from about 27 feet; can't remember the third. He doesn't help well and he is susceptible to ball fakes.
His turnover on the early bounce pass to McGary while driving was a good idea but terrible execution.
Bigs need to do a better job of finishing. McGary and Morgan had contested shots but they still missed too many 3 footers or layups.
McGary handled the ball well on the fast break and on the play where he drove from the top of the key. You could see the impressive athleticism for a guy his size.
Team was flat and Purdue hit those 3s but we pretty much pulled away as they regressed to the mean. I'll be nervous for both @Illinois and the rematch in West Lafayette.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Youth||
Another aspect of this that leaves me somewhat optimistic is that we are still so young. People forget that we are 338th out of 347 teams in experience per Kenpom. Hopefully some of these young guys like Stauskas, GR3 and McGary will start to see the intensity and physicality of defense now that we are playing OSU and MN etc and try to match it in their own games. Not sure that intensity is something you can re-create in practice against guys you play everyday. You would have to think that such a young team would be more likely to improve over the course of the season than would the avg team; although it would be interesting to see if any data backs up that theory.
Also, Burke was clearly more active defensively off the ball against Minnesota than he normally is. My hope is that after struggling against Craft again that perhaps he will try to take a page from his game and re-dedicate himself to improving his defensive game just by being more active on D.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||RPI||
Illinois is too high in the RPI. They have some good wins but their current play is terrible. Not sure that RPI has it right on Ohio as low as 26, Wisconsin at 45 etc.
The game @Wisconsin is now looking to be very important with them already one loss ahead of the field and having already played @Indiana and not having to play @Michigan. They aren't the best B1G team but they are positioned to compete for the title.
We should be 7-1 heading into the brutal 4 game stretch that will probaby determine if we win the conference.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||Weird||
I can see Oklahoma or Oklahoma State or a lot of other schools that are not Michigan. But I just have a hard time wrapping my brain around the idea that an elite Illinois receiver who could pick any school would choose Ole Miss. Yeah, Standifer goes there. Is he really basing a college/career decision on one high school friend? I cannot think of what possible criteria results in Ole Miss being the sensible choice.
Anyway, best of luck to him. Hopefully for him it takes Arkansas and Auburn a while to recover or else he'll be looking at fighting Mississippi State for the honor of finishing in 6th place in a 7 team division for the next 4 years.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||Iota Phi Theta||
Their upcoming schedule is Ohio State, @Wisconsin and @Indiana. So if there is going to be any discipline, it will surely happen tonight. Perhaps Izzo will drop the hammer and force them each to ride the bench until the first TV timeout.
|2 years 28 weeks ago||Trey Burke||
Burke breaking ankles with a crossover? Or some such pic. It's hoops season now. The banner can always be changed to Lewan this summer in another 6 months before football season starts.
|2 years 34 weeks ago||Not seeing it yet. You have||
Not seeing it yet. You have 12 scholarship OL for 2013 and that is without any attrition, injuries or non-qualifiers. Normally that should be more like 18 or so. Even granting Burzynski as a legit player you are giving a lot of credit to walk-ons. Attrition does happen too and was the source of this problem in the first place. We can't even put together a two deep next year without counting either 3 true freshmen and/or walk-ons. With an injury or two in spring the entire second string OL is walk-ons. We need to go through another recruiting class cycle where we add 4-5 guys to replace Schofield (and Lewan possibly). And with limited injuries or attrition. We're getting closer but the risk is still pretty big next year.
|2 years 37 weeks ago||ID Please||
Just to clarify, the WA law makes it legal only for those 21 or older. So if you are a freshman, sophomore or junior who is 18, 19 or 20 you would be still be subject to a minor in possession type charge such as there is for alcohol.