|2 weeks 5 days ago||I'd guess you'll see a little||
I'd guess you'll see a little more playing time transfer attrition soon. Most of the guys we've lost under Harbaugh so far have been 5th years or behavior issues. But one consequence of having two large classes in a row is that you wind up with 63 guys who are freshman/sophomores in 2017. Normally, you can look to more juniors/seniors graduating to free up playing time in the future, but given that our roster is so young that may not be the case at some spots. Some of the guys who are 3rd string will be behind guys with similar eligibility and they'll probably look for easier opportunities to play elsewhere once the competition has settled. Not the worst thing in the world, the best players play and you'll see a more even distribution across classes.
|4 weeks 11 hours ago||Mark Richt David Shaw Phil||
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Rockets and Clips. He was a||
Rockets and Clips. He was a serviceable NBA starter. Dude's game definitely was better as a pro than he was as a college guy, for the most part.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Ha ha. Rich McIver. So many||
Ha ha. Rich McIver. So many memories. Calip actually evolved into a good player by the end of hte year but he wasn't a B1G first option type.
Eric Riley had to be the skinniest motherfucker in history.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||I used to hang out at the||
I used to hang out at the pool hall in the Union back then and would alway see Makhtar up in there getting grub in the basement. Wendys, Little Caesars, Subway. Probably not the best diet plan.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Right. In 89 we needed him||
Right. In 89 we needed him for depth especially after Kirk Taylor blew out his knee. Sad, dude was a baller and was never the same. Anyway, Pelinka played a bit role, pretty minor. The 1990 team returned basically everybody except Glen Rice (huge exception obviously) and so there wasn't much playing time. We also added Michael Talley and Tony Tolbert who were more highly regarded recruits than Pelinka had been. Especially Talley, who had been Mr. Basketball in Michigan. Pelinka had a knee issue or something too so anyway he didn't play in 89-90 and redshirted. Pelinka played some (based on my 25 year old memory) in 90-91 which was the team w/o much talent led by Demetrious Calip that was in between the guys from 89 and then the Fab 5 but even on that relatively talentless NIT team he was a role player at most. About the same during the Fab 5's freshman year but he was more effective as a role player who could spot up. By 92-93, was was really the top perimeter sub during the Fab 5 sophomore year where he played real minutes. Could hit a 3 and good FT shooter.
Completely different skillset as a 2, so this is probably a bad comparison. But maybe in terms of performance, talent and impact to a Final Four team, you could kind of equate his role in 93 to maybe 2013 Jordan Morgan. More famous for his agent stuff but still worth remembering as a player if you've been following M basketball for that long.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||There goes his chance at ever||
There goes his chance at ever playing for the Harlem Globetrotters.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||I feel like Outkast never||
I feel like Outkast never quite got the respect that they deserved, maybe not from a critical standpoint, but in terms of mainstream and radio attention.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Eh. We're not a true blue||
Eh. We're not a true blue blood program but I'm not sure that I agree men's basketball doesn't have a tradition of excellence. Mens hoops has won as many national championships and been to more national championship games (4 vs 2) than softball if you compare both during the period since Hutchins took over. In a sport with 10 times the depth of quality competition and parity than softball has. That's not a knock on the softball program which is fantastic, but I think you might be selling the history of the basketball program short because your fandom coincides with a lot of the dark years.
|6 weeks 23 hours ago||Your point about it only||
Your point about it only being February 9th is a good one. I wonder what will transpire over the next month between 2/9 and 3/9?
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Right, your decisions aren't||
Right, your decisions aren't good when wasted. Which is why you figure out a plan before you get totally hammered whether it be having a sober buddy, taxi etc so that neither you nor anyone in your party is driving home drunk. Pretty basic stuff.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Not illegal, but I don't||
Not illegal, but I don't agree with that not being immoral. Being drunk in the passenger seat is fine, if the driver is sober. If the driver's drunk, both driver and passenger should have known that calling an Uber was the right play. There are some basic rules to having a night of drunken fun without screwing it up for the rest of the world and he violated one of them.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||8 for 12 on commit, high, and||
8 for 12 on commit, high, and very high.
2 for 12 on the moderates and low with just Ruiz and DPJ.
Just at a glance, this suggest that there are certain guys that we know there is strong mutual interest (obviously), but that past that it's a guessing game and a lot changes before signing day.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Apples and oranges. The||
Apples and oranges. The salaries for an NFL star QB (in real dollars) back then are table scraps compared to what Brady has earned. Guys back then had to have real jobs after football and sometimes out of season for football.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Or...he could lie in bed all||
Or...he could lie in bed all day with Giselle and count his millions.
That's what I'd do if I were him, but I guess this is why he is the GOAT and I'm not.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Willie motherfucking||
Willie motherfucking McGinnest showing these motherfuckers that trophy. And the audio goes away.
F you Goodell.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Hmmm||
Guy's been in the NBA for 24 years now. Not seeing it.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Nah, offenses played well but||
Nah, offenses played well but there was a lot of horrible defense in that Rose Bowl. It wasn't a better played game than the Orange Bowl. Just prettier to watch because the quality of play was concentrated in the skill positions rather than the DLs.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||If you squint hard enough,||
If you squint hard enough, you can almost picture the fullback going into motion and shuffling to foreshadow the inevitable 2 yard run on first down.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Maybe. It's not clear that we||
Maybe. It's not clear that we get voted in over a UW team that also had one loss, a conference championship and came off of a blowout win in their CCG against a team that we beat at home in less convincing fashion. I mean, maybe our wins and schedule were enough but conference championships do carry some weight and the records were the same. Finishing strong matters a lot in votes and they closed with big wins over WSU and CO and we're still finishing with an L in our last game in that scenario. We'll never know. Certainly we weren't getting in over any of the other 3 teams.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||RoJo was bad but kind of||
RoJo was bad but kind of cancelled out by Warren since both were 5 stars who went to the opposite school of the one that they were expected to choose. And while RoJo was a serviceable player and managed to be roster filler in the NFL for a bit, he didn't exactly light it up in college or with his cups of coffee in the NFL.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Travis Johnson. DL in 2000.||
Travis Johnson. DL in 2000. He infamously went to bed a Wolverine and woke up a Seminole on signing day. First round pick of the Texans. Capping a disappointing recruiting class during the good times that might have been the difference (along with special teams) between truly competing for a national championship in 2003/2004, or having 3 losses. There are probably worse examples that I am forgetting, but the combo of talent and how it went down was worse than any of the other examples mentioned in this thread.
|10 weeks 7 hours ago||Yeah, I've come to not care||
Yeah, I've come to not care much about individual players. Recruiting ratings are better now than they used to be a long time ago. There were no SPARQ measurements, fewer all-star games, less tape, fewer camps besides the school camps etc.
Still, recruiting is fairly inexact on an individual basis with lots of variation from rankings. Guys like Hart, Edwards, Brady were not highly regarded. But on a team level across 85 guys, those variations for both over and under performance tend to even out so aggregate rankings are extremely important on a team wide 4-5 year basis. The key is to get a lot of talent. You can miss on guys, it's ok, there's lot of good players. You can't have severe depth chart gaps though, so be wary of misses for a position in back to back years as that's when you really get into trouble.
The one exception to that is dynamic QBs. One of the two primary formulas for winning a national championship- besides just overwhelming your opponents with strong defense and cross the board talent like Alabama/mid 00s USC/Miami/90s FSU is to be a good team that has a superlative talent at QB like a Vince Young, Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, DeShawn Watson, maybe you could include Tim Tebow in there. A playmaker like that is just so incredibly valuable.
|10 weeks 7 hours ago||He stayed four years,||
He stayed four years, graduated I assume, and then left before 5th year. Never really played except for a few garbage time snaps. Probably wasn't quite ready to be QB compared to Griese in 96/97. Just better players in front of him then in 98/99 with Brady/Henson I guess. Probably never know if he was good and they were just better or if he wasn't quite as good as his recruiting rankings.
|10 weeks 20 hours ago||Breaston was fairly well||
Breaston was fairly well regarded as a recruit actually. He was a borderline top 100 guy in summer and then fell a bit because he was an early commit. People knew that he was a stellar athlete, that was clear. But there were questions about his size obviously. I mean even in the NFL he had a thin build and as a freshman he was tiny and probably like 160 pounds or something. Also, he played QB rather than WR in HS which probably hurt his rankings a bit as his ability to play his college position was unproven. Pretty successful as a HS QB. Played on the same HS team as Mundy if I recall correctly.
He was definitely one of those guys like an Antonio Bass who really gets played up as a practice legend before he ever takes the field. But obviously in retrospect you can see that his quickness and playmaking justified that take.
|10 weeks 20 hours ago||Rivals had him as the #49||
Rivals had him as the #49 receiver. Late bump from a 2 star to 3 star once his senior film came out. He committed early and didn't really do any camps or anything like that so he wasn't well scouted by the services. Don't think an athlete like that would be so overlooked nowadays but there was a lot fewer camps and less video of guys back then.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||I have a few of the old||
I have a few of the old Rivals rankings from 2001 in some old files I keep because I've been following this stuff for way too long. FWIW:
Sanderson 3 stars, Not Ranked RB (This was a late bump from 2 stars. He was a better athlete than his recruiting rankings indicated. But also, weirdly, Rivals used to ding guys for character or academic issues. So back then if you were a good athlete but had grade problems, you might be a 2/3 star even if you were a top recruit. Ummm, in general.)
Simelis 4 stars, #23 OL. OL were just all grouped together. Simelis and Stenavich were kind of the two highly recruited guys for OL while Lentz and Henige were sleeper-ish.
Lentz 3 stars, #48 OL.
Stenavich 4 stars #20 OL.
Could probably dig up 90s info but would have to go through old computers in a box somewhere. someday.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||I really like Beilein.||
I really like Beilein. :(
But it's time.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||That's probably what||
That's probably what Charlie's thinking about too.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah, although once you get||
Yeah, although once you get South of ~Ashby/Alcatraz it goes downhill pretty quickly. Because Oakland, obviously.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Is his stock really high||
Is his stock really high enough to get a top 15 job at this point? After getting fired twice in two years, he may need to have a little bit of success again before he gets a top job.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||To some extent. Nothing is||
To some extent. Nothing is the end of the world, at least football or recruiting wise. There are some people you truly don't want in your program.
But kids and young adults still act like young adults. They do and say stupid shit. Thankfully, when I was 18 all of that was done in conversations, not via twitter/periscope/youtube. Not so much anymore. If you lived in the dorms at Michigan, you know that most students are more or less good people. But that 98% of them are also going to get wasted, and/or do some dumb stuff, and/or say things that would not look good to mature adults from the outside if documented. Part of growing up. And hey, even if you get what you think are relatively good kids, some of them will get into actual serious trouble anyway, as history at Michigan and everywhere else has shown. Players are like anyone else, generally good, but still flawed humans.
In the big picture of character and mistakes, on a transgressions scale of 1 to 2, 1 being Saint Tim Tebow and 2 being Lawrence Phillips, an ill advised comment on a periscope to your buddy gets a 1. I don't think he's coming here after all that, but it's really not a big deal.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||3.2 before this game for||
3.2 before this game for 2016. But yeah. That's not Rawls though, he's fine. The Seahawks OL has generally been overwhelmed.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Saban's reputation is that he||
Saban's reputation is that he is going for his 5th national championship in 8 years tomorrow. Which is better than any other college coach ever. Harbaugh's tenure may turn out to be fantastic but the chances of the results surpassing Saban's are essentially zero.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Agree with your general||
Agree with your general stance on Wheatley's career situation. But if our offense is reasonably effective the next couple years, Drevno will a head coaching job fairly soon and the OC position will be vacant.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||? Why does that make it||
? Why does that make it baloney? The angle was that he saves the cost of 1 flight, and the time from San Antonio to OAK back to Birmingham. Also, is it not plausible that he would want to show up to his new home a full 3 days before he has to start school to like get situated, meet people, learn his way around? And also maybe to be on campus on Monday when they go for a national championship? If he's going to Alabama, he's gotta be there on Tuesday no matter what if classes start Wednesday so flying Sunday is a pretty reasonable thing to do.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||There's a judge named Richard||
There's a judge named Richard D. Ball? That was rather mean of his parents.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||I think that's one of the||
I think that's one of the most likely scenarios. He kinda wants to go to Michigan, but th recent history of player development eg kids getting drafted and the dominance of college football suggest that Bama is the obvious choice. Hope he decides today or tomorrow, or that Clemson wins. Deciding in the potential afterglow of a potential national championship on Monday does not help us.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Actually Rivals started in||
Actually Rivals started in 1997 and included the 1998 recruiting cycle (Henson, Walker, Terrell, Foote, Fargas etc great class). The first iteration lasted through about December of 2000. At that point, they went bankrupt in the aftermath of the dot com bust. Then it was all kind of hit or miss through 2001 and then in 2002 they started up again, presumably recapitalized or something. The old The Wolverine online website was independent of Rivals for about a year there which tracked 2001, more or less. Scout came along in 2002 and ESPN recruiting coverage was eventually formalized and then came 247.
Sadly, a lot (all?) of the old rankings from that Rivals only period were lost during the corporate shuffle.
But even going further back, Tom Lemming and Allen Wallace and a few other dudes (Greg Biggins?) have been doing this stuff going back to even the 80s but obviously in paper form in those days. So it was just a lot more obscure. No one really paid attention back then except when the recruiting info was published around signing day in the Ann Arbor News. We used to whine so much about how Lemming was a Notre Dame homer, (which he was because their fans bought his services).
Anyway, Anthony Carter is from a little before my time as an M fan. But Woodson was player of the year as a RB in Ohio and everyone knew he was a baller. LIkewise for Henson. I don't remember Wheatley from the recruiting side. Hmmm, ancient memories. I've been following this shit for way too long.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Cue Cardale Jones's deep||
Cue Cardale Jones's deep thoughts on his OSU education:
"Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS."
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Kinda true but you can't be||
Kinda true but you can't be at a top program and not be heavily involved in recruiting. Those kids are getting attention from other head coaches and you gotta show the love. It's not a task that can be delegated in the same way that play calling can.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||That seems very odd. A kid||
That seems very odd. A kid with an NFL father and brothers who play college ball from a top HS program is a late bloomer and in need of a weight program?
|10 weeks 6 days ago||I guess we'll see but you may||
I guess we'll see but you may have been rickrolled.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Wonder what he brings from a||
Wonder what he brings from a recruiting perspective? Looks like he's from NC, mostly been in the NFL for the last 15 years except for Stanford and a bit more East Coast, except Stanford/49ers.
Bringing a little bit more diversity and relative youth at 42 to the coaching staff would also be a good thing.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||No? I'm no expert on the||
No? I'm no expert on the Browns but Hamilton is listed as an AHC Offense and has worked QBs/OC in most of his prior jobs. Also, the Browns have Al Saunders as their WR coach. See:
|10 weeks 6 days ago||True. But I think it was||
True. But I think it was meant more in terms of jobs than seasons. He's worked a lot more jobs in the NFL than college with 5 of 7 teams being NFL.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||I wouldn't call it a||
I wouldn't call it a borderline disaster. It may have seemed that way because of the recent success in the late 80s. But he walked into a 3-13 team. They improved every year up until his final year when Modell announced the team was moving to Baltimore yeah and then they collapsed.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Fuck Sweatervest.||
|11 weeks 6 hours ago||Sarell's like the #1 OT||
Sarell's like the #1 OT recruit with offers from everyone and he's 3000 miles away and has taken most or maybe all of his OVs already. Not the type of kid you can jump on at the last minute successfully.
|11 weeks 7 hours ago||The history isn't the same,||
The history isn't the same, and maybe it isn't the same morally but that probably depends on the background with how the kid was recruitied by Richt and I don't know the details. But I think it is pretty similar from a roster management perspective. We made a strategic decision that a special teams player is not worth a scholarship in 2018. Smart is making the same decision for a kicker. He's betting the kid won't transfer, or that he has another K who is more or less or good or just that the schollie is better spent on someone else. Harbaugh knows that Sypniewski will transfer so that's a little different, but he's also betting that he has a LS who is more or less as good and that the schollie is better spent on OL/DL or whatever. All about allocating those 85 efficiently.
|11 weeks 8 hours ago||Pretty sure Jeffrey Jordan||
Pretty sure Jeffrey Jordan got a scholarship and his dad obviously has serious bank. I get the rationale but as long as he is good enough, then some school will offer a scholarship. The money matters, but also, what's the impression you leave with a person when you say I want you on my football team but I'm not going to give you the same compensation for your effort that the other 85 guys get? Or
Also, for a football/basketball player to remain a walkon, as I understand the rules, they have to not be a recruitedathlete. Recruited athlete is defined as anyone who takes an official visit, has off-campus contact with a coach like an in-home visit or has more than 1 phone call with a kid. Usually you can get away with those limitations on PWO kids but they don't have other major offers. For a kid who is highly recruited, it is going to be a recruiting handicap compared to other schools. If a kid does become a recruited athlete, you can't then turn around and make them a PWO because obviously if that were possible then every school would use the 20 eligible WO spots for recruits that they funded with other non-athletic scholarships that are substituted for athletic scholarships. The Saban Foundation would grant scholarships for some fake reason and you'd have walkons that are ringers basically. But that's not possible for kids you recruit. Feel free to correct me if this info is not correct or current NCAA rules experts.
|11 weeks 8 hours ago||There was a brief upward||
There was a brief upward trend at SDSU. Think he was only there for 2 years but second year was like 9-4? I mean his stock is low and deservedly so for certain things like being a Power5 head coach or a DC which he didn't really have experience at prior to Oregon. But he's qualified to be at least a solid if not great MAC head coach.
|11 weeks 18 hours ago||That really bothered me too||
That really bothered me too just because. I'm picturing an early withdrawal penalty, lost compound earnings, and taxes on the distribution versus a student loan with tax deductible interest at a reasonable APR before rates go to the moon and back. It's just so wrong.
|11 weeks 18 hours ago||Hahahaha. Dad has his||
Hahahaha. Dad has his cumulative FG stats since 6th grade. Well, Kirby may be a pro-bag man douche, but this pretty much just destroyed the credibility of anything Dad has to say about Kirby.
However, and despite the substandard coaching the team had to endure during Rodrigo’s tenure, the 6-1, 190-pounder was a veritable automaton regardless of how far out of position he was placed.
It's Gold Jerry, Gold!
|11 weeks 22 hours ago||If a guy hasn't signed any||
If a guy hasn't signed any grant in aid paperwork, or a letter of intent, which seems to be true for someone not on a scholarship by definition, then Smart has no control over where he transfers. You can't restrict how you release someone from a scholarship, that he isn't even on.
|11 weeks 22 hours ago||Flat earth internet theory?||
Flat earth internet theory? The good ship Mgoblog was sailing from Spain to India in search of spices, a new server, RBs, and OTs. But it fell off the edge of the internet. :(
|11 weeks 22 hours ago||Apparently I'm missing||
Apparently I'm missing something. Was that in one of the links in the article? Didn't bother to go through all of those. I only see a rehashed paraphrasing of Smart's comments in the meeting by the kicker's dad in the article linked. Obviously, that's one side of the story but there are no actual direct quotes from Smart.
I'd probably also be inclined to judge kickers against other kickers in general, since a history of meh kickers at Georgia doesn't cause this guy to be awesome just because his predecessors sucked.
Agreed, fuck the $EC. Mostly for the $ part of the recruiting world.
|11 weeks 23 hours ago||As we speak, there's a plane||
As we speak, there's a plane flying to the edge of the internet. Najee's on it-- and he's playing Counterstrike.
Sorry, there's no tail number so you can't use flight tracker.
|11 weeks 23 hours ago||I understand the family's||
I understand the family's position and that he deserves one. But if K wasn't recruited or promised a scholarship then I dunno that Smart is really in the wrong per se. He's making a calculated decision to save a scholarship for another position. On a one year basis, isn't this quite similar to what we are doing with Sypniewski? Except his response was to go on twitter to find a schollie spot elsewhere. Kid should do the same, announce he's interested in transferring on twitter and jet.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Just to be sure I understand||
Just to be sure I understand correctly, you have diagnosed his medical condition as the same injury as McGahee's by watching youtube videos of both plays?
|11 weeks 1 day ago||This. If he were coming back||
This. If he were coming back to the 2018 team with minimal attrition and a lot of talent then it is a much tougher decision. He's coming back to a team that is about to lose ~16 to 18 of 22 starters and go through a rebuilding year. Maybe it'll go well and we'll wind up at 10-3 or 11-2 even. But we are not going to win a national championship in 2017 with 60 to 65 of our 85 guys being freshmen//sophomores.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||In theory, but 99.99% of||
In theory, but 99.99% of people are not making anywhere near NFL money in other pursuits even though it is possible. The cheapest NFL contract for a low first round pick last year was $8.1 million for 4 years. The average starting salary for a college graduate is $50 thousand so maybe $240 thousand for 4 years with raises. An $7.8 million shortfall is enough to retire on at 22. Obviously it's a bit more complicated with NFL guaranteed $, NPV, investments returns, tax effects blah blah blah. But of the possible reasons to say, a tiny chance at getting rich by some other career path w/o playing football isn't a good reason.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||I certainly don't follow this||
I certainly don't follow this closely, and my info may not be current so take it with a grain of salt. But in general:
1)They get two forms of insurance- a disability policy which covers the injury more directly and then a loss of value insurance which is basically just draft value loss. The disability policy is probably not going to payout unless you more or less never play again. The policies more or less all flow through Lloyd's of London and affiliated underwriters. Or at least used to. It's a relatively new product at least for college football players. General rule of thumb on the loss of value policies is 1% of the payout is paid as an annual premium. So if Butt had $4 million in loss of value (hypothetically, I don't know what he had) then a $40,000 premium which is more than a family can usually pay.
2)Not many people have actually collected on a policy. I think 2 NCAA football players ever...last I heard. Marquise Lee from USC also had a lawsuit at one point.
3)Tax free if the player pays for it. It's not clear if the school pays for it. I don't know that the IRS has ruled on this, but probably not given the scarcity of claims. I don't know anything about if there are NCAA rules, but since insurance is optional and relatively rare, it could actually be a potential recruiting advantage for schools? Maybe. I mean, as far as I know, you could offer to buy insurance for any all-conference players on your team, thus getting kids to stay another year. And could you even include this in your pitch to HS kids? Dunno, maybe.
4)To my knowledge, they are all lump sum payouts rather than annuities or other structures which doesn't necessarily make sense for tax purposes if it is taxable because teh school bought it. But again, only a few have ever paid out and I don't know if anyone has actually paid taxes on these.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||You're reasoning is generally||
You're reasoning is generally sound but sometimes there is more to the story than just talent, especially on guys who transferred to lesser football schools. The kids we sent to Western Illinois generally didn't get funneled there because they couldn't play. Or there are guys who were pushed and said they jumped. And some of that wasn't really even misconduct per se, more like an attempt to change the attitude, culture, and direction of the program.
For example, David Bowens was actually a really good player who had a blunch of sacks in a short period of time. But he had poor grades and some personal struggles similar to Jon Ritchie's situation (this was all fairly widely known public info at the time). Not at all scouting related.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||The late Moeller classes||
The late Moeller classes definitely had some behavioral issues but since that was at about the dawn of the internet so most of it is not listed online, even the stuff that was public at the time. And some of it never made the papers, that was pre-youtube, twitter, record everything. 96 was the first Carr class, a little bit different. Not sure that there is much value in re-hashing the specifics of things that happened 20 years ago.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||RB probably isn't really the||
RB probably isn't really the issue for the Seahawks. Rawls can look pretty good at times. The OL is just absolutely terrible, which is what happens when you have by far the lowest paid OL. And injuries, that's the other issue. So yeah...pretty much the same as Michigan.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||At the risk of being that||
At the risk of being that guy, he's not a Southern recruit or kid from Southern California. He's from Antioch which is East Bay. Pittsburg train. Definitely not SoCal.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Not sure that this is the||
Not sure that this is the right way to handle it but I like the general idea. I'd probably look at the entire roster, because to some extent, a lot of recuiting is imprecise on a player level but at a positional level level you try to get ~6-8 highly rated corners and hope that 2-3 of them are good. Recruiting success is really about depth of talent rather than the individual ratings of guys.
Like with Speight, ok, if he is a 3 stars or 0.85 or whatever but he beats out Peters, Malzone, McCaffrey, and O'Korn, what does that 0.85 mean? The overall reality at QB is that we have some solid 4 star guys, no true 5 star really as McCaffrey is maybe not quite tehre, and a 3 star beat our 3x 4 stars (also 4 stars Morris and Gentry previously). If he is good enough to beat out 5x 4 stars, is he maybe more like a 4 star himself? Because to me, it seems like by citing Speight's 0.85 it seems like you are trying to indicate that we have 0.85 level talent as QB. But since individual recruiting rankings are imperfect, that's a bit misleading when we have a bunch of other 4 star options. Don't think that you are getting accurate info i you indicate that we have 3 star Minnesota/Indiana-esque talent at that position by boiling it down to 0.85.
Also, 2nd and 3rd string quality matters for depth, as we saw with Peppers, Butt, Newsome, Speight etc so you gotta factor that in somehow because even if you have Butt as your All American TE, he can get injured any time.
On the flip side, like with Gary, he can't play ever snap etc and our recruiting for his position is not perfect even if he is a 1.000 because the quality of guys getting some snaps and in the pipeline for the future matters too.
Ideally you'd want some sort of weighting too for experience and time in the program but in practice that gets maybe too complex. An 18 year old 1.000 OT w/o time in the S+C program or experience is worth less, right now. Our roster for 2017 and even maybe 2018 will skew pretty young for the talent.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Do you think he prefers||
Do you think he prefers window or aisle?
|11 weeks 2 days ago||As far as being the backup||
As far as being the backup for 2 years, hmmm. Kid rushed for 5500 yards and 70 TDs the last two years. And he's the #1 ranked recruit in the country. Even if that backup role winds up being true, and there's some evidence that he might be more than just another Bama 5 star, does he really think that he's going to be sitting for 2 years? Only a factor in the recruitment if he believes their depth chart matters, and a kid that good is gonna be pretty confident about his skills. Dunno. Obviously we have zero insight into his thinking.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Said the same thing in 92.||
Said the same thing about Moeller's 92 team. 3 ties??? Could've been one of the best M teams ever.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Seattle is playing poorly and||
Seattle is playing poorly and the OL is worse than Michigan's, relative to the level of competition. No one here will be surprised if the Lions win.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||...which is another good||
...which is another good secondary reason for these extensions. We wouldn't be throwing millions at assistants if the head coach is even thinking about leaving. Extensions demonstrate Harbaugh and the coaches aren't going anywhere. We all know that; but not everyone is following it as closely as a bunch of guys on a Michigan blog. So this helps squash that jive turkey noise (somewhat) and can be easily cited as proof for recruits or media or whoever.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||I might be wrong and I'm||
I might be wrong and I'm certainly not close to the situation.
You got me, it's a random message board post and truth be told, no one really gives a shit what you or I have to say, it's just discussion for our own entertainment. Anyway, guilty, I don't parse all of my message board statements with the appropriate equivocations. I don't even spell check or proofread for grammar and on occcasion I use profanity too. What can I say? I'm a terrible person.
Let me rephase, "It is my opinion that Peppers will probably declare for the draft and the likely purpose of this denial is to maintain control over the timing and content of the dissemenation of his decision. My assumption that he plans to leave is based on his growth as a player, the significant level of awards, recognition and personal achievement at the college level earned this year, his status as a project 1st round pick with the limited potential improvements in his draft stock if he stays, the rebuilding of the defense in 2017, and numerous unsubstantiated rumors regarding his activities of late such as interviewing agents etc. While there are exceptions, historical precedent for similar players indicates a high probability of departure."
I did note your statement that, "Jabrill himself is saying he hasn't decided." You're not really naive enough that you take what people say to the media at face value as the actual truth and whole truth are you?
|11 weeks 3 days ago||Nah, he probably just wants||
Nah, he probably just wants to control the message and is annoyed this came out. The report is probably correct; but also, he probably wants to be able to have the chance to let family and friends know, let coaches/teammates know, finalize agent decision and sign contract, plan for his training program pre-draft, and be able to make his own announcement rather than having some stranger leak info on Twitter. Can't blame him for that. He's ghost.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||Username plus signature =||
Username plus signature = Ewwwwww
Also, the avatar text plus the corresponding fisting gesture? Yeah, might be that.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||No. Pass on anyone with||
No. Pass on anyone with bagman school baggage.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||This is incorrect. There were||
This is incorrect. There were news articles at the times stated that he was transferring. It was pretty unambiguous. Maybe you missed those articles but it was all very public and discussed prior to his removal from the depth chart.
Here is an article from 4 weeks ago:
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Life Hack #37: Never sleep||
Life Hack #37: Never sleep over at a truck driver's house.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Given that there are about 60||
Given that there are about 60 Power 5 schools and probably ~25 that have the resources to win a national championship, I am not sure that I like your 1 in a million odds of not falling short. Can we go with like 96% of the time instead? Because I really don't want to wait until 1,001,997 A.D. for another national championship.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Based on the way Brown was||
Based on the way Brown was yelling at Thomas, maybe. But you're absolutely right, the receiver on the deep cross was also way behind everyone except Thomas. If he had gone with the guy at the top then deep cross guy gets a 92 yard TD as he was like 10 yards behind the zone too. Either someone else besides Thomas blew a coverage (too) or they were just way too shallow in their zone. But you can't have 2 guys both 10 yards behind everyone but Dymonte like that.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Chesson is a mystery as far||
Chesson is a mystery as far as I can tell. I don't buy his lack of production being a lack of talent. He's shown he could play in the past, not an All-American level but at least at an All-B1G level. But he pretty much disappeared this year. Definitely one of the unanswered questions from this season along with what the truth is on Speight's health.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Eh. Maybe. Is it coincidence||
Eh. Maybe. Is it coincidence that we have good talent as spots like CB or DE but that the talent is weakest at OL and maybe QB which are the two most development intensive areas? Still think it comes down to coaching and Borges/Funk are a big factor. Not only factor.
The 2012 and 2013 classes look fine if you look back at them retrospectively with the exception of the lack of OL development. Some of the problems were attrition stuff. 2013 OL was a fail but some of that was not really on Hoke with Bosch/LTT. 2014 does not look good but that's not surprising as we kind of knew at that point the wheels were coming off and so did the recruits.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Baalke is a tool but Jed York||
Baalke is a tool but Jed York is the real dufus running that shit show into the ground.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||UConn hired Randy Edsall||
UConn hired Randy Edsall again. They're getting the band back together.
Although as Mike Price would tell you, you're not really hired until everyone has signed the contract.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Next year or 2018? Obviously||
Next year or 2018? Obviously next year is the easier schedule but you have an awful lot of new pieces in play. You lose McCray, Hurst, K Hill and Cole but gain a year of experience for everyone else.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Totally agree with this. It||
Totally agree with this. It seemed like Speight was really struggling to throw downfield after the injury. OK, can't help that if it's his collarbone, but if the defense gets compressed because you aren't passing vertically, you need to think about ways to create spacing or stretch them horizontally. Toss sweeps to DeVeon are not the answer.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Why is Oklahoma done? I mean,||
Why is Oklahoma done? I mean, yeah, they have a little bit of that later in the tenure feel w/o that cutting edge from when Stoops started, not like how they were in 2000 or 2003 or whatever. Their offense is not as unique as it was when Stoops started. But they were in the CFP just last year, they still won their conference this year, have top 10 recruiting class consistently, and are in what is clearly the weakest of the Power 5 conferences.
Texas has massive potential but is is going to take a while to rebuild that program, and their boosters are prone to messing it up due to impatience.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Some good points. But I||
Some good points. But I haven't looked a Steele in a while. I guess he is only weighting strictly for seniors so a true freshman and a RS junior are both just "not seniors". Doesn't seem like a great system for really evaluating the whole roster.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Well we are #6 and I don't||
Well we are #6 and I don't think we are passing anyone above us after a loss unless PSU gets completely destroyed, which is possible. I think USC wins by like 14 but PSU stays ahead of because they are still the B1G champs. Then we get passed by Wisconsin after they kill WMU, FSU, USC and OK if they beat Auburn. That puts us at 11. Don't see how we really could fall any further. If OK loses and/or we don't get passed by the loser of PSU/USC then yeah, could be 9 or 10. I'm not seeing 7 or 8. Don't see how we stay ahead of FSU who just beat us and WI.
And yeah, I know there's a good argument to be made on the head to head with PSU and WI but that's not necessarily how the rankings work at all. Things that happened in September are kinda forgotten at this point.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Long-term yes. But you||
But you started your OP with, "I see how the board is full of 'how this team has underperformed yadda yadda."
All of that frames the discussion as to whether this team underperformed. Not as to the question of whether we need more talent to compete with those programs long-term, which yes, we do. As one of the "disappointed negative people", who thinks our football was fine but our record underperformed, I'd probably be good with 11-2 with either a win over OSU or over FSU. That about fits the team. Maybe even just not losing to Iowa would be enough-- for this year to be a success. But 10-3, nope, that underperforms. And for this year, we will be behind some other schools in the final rankings besides just those 2 so for purposes of that conversation the other schools are relevant too.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Think about those numbers.||
Think about those numbers. Top 40ish so like ~39 more teams with more talent. So divide 40 by the Power5 conferences and there are like 8 teams per conference with as much talent as our offense? So our O talent is not just worse than OSU, PSU, and WI, but then also what Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, and Northwestern. Or pick 8 best ACC teams and youve got Clemson, Louisville, FSU but then VT, UNC, Miami, Pitt and Georgia Tech.
Or think about the top 25 which has like Pitt, VTech, Navy, Temple etc. Like we aren't Alabama but we aren't scrubs either. If you look at a list of college football teams and start eyeing offensive talent we are probably in the 10 to 15 range. Alabama, OSU, Louisville due to Jackson, USC maybe, Oklahoma, maybe even PSU and FSU and LSU although those 3 are really just Barkley, Fournette and Cook. Maybe Washington. That's 9. But after that it's pretty hard to come up with teams with better talent on offense. Never mind the defensive talent.
6 of our 11 starters were 1st or 2nd coaches team all B1G. I am not seeing this dearth of talent that others are seeing. Yeah, not Alabama, agreed. But a lot of these posts are shortselling the talent on the roster.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Well anyway, appreciate the||
Well anyway, appreciate the effort. I think you need a broader pool.
Citing just OSU and AL numbers is also cherry picking kind of the extreme end of the talent spectrum. Might be reasonable if we were about to finish 3rd behind those 2 but since we've headed for about a #10-#12 final ranking it would be more interesting to compare to teams a little above and a little below us. I'm a bit skeptical that you'll find similar results for schools like UW, WI, PSU etc.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Hmmm, what about Kugler at C||
Hmmm, what about Kugler at C and Cole moves out? Seems like Kugler might be 1 of 5 best OL and might be worth shuffling Cole.
Did not love what we saw of JBB this year. Hope another offseason helps or some young guys push him.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Also, your cuts are way too||
Also, your cuts are way too tight on that methodology. Cutting at 98 and 95 limits the pool too much. You need to be looking at something more like 88 or 90. A lot of recruiting is less precise and more of a numbers game. You throw a dozen guys who are 90+ on your roster and plan to find the 1 great one, 2 other good ones, and 3 serviceable starters. And yes, that's not how it works for Alabama. Or maybe OSU of late.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||No one thinks we should be||
No one thinks we should be beating Alabama, bit of a strawman there.
What are the numbers for Clemson, WA, PSU, OK, WI, FSU, USC?
Any weighting for seniority e.g. Phil Steele' system?
Have you looked at any NFL draft projections for 2017? Which schools have the most senior talent there?
|11 weeks 5 days ago||There are gonna be cycles no||
There are gonna be cycles no matter how talented you are. Usually they parallel QB cycles but sometimes just with overall senior talent. Clemson will have to re-group without Watson, as FSU had to do without Winston. Sometimes you can clearly see it coming, like when we lost everyone on the offense after 2007 or 2000 etc.
Our recruiting is fine but not a juggernaut and it's no better, probably slightly worse than what it was from the mid-80s to mid-00s. We still went through the period down years eg 1984, 1987, 1993, etc (not coincidentally, those were the years right after Smith, Harbaugh and Grbac graduated). Maybe our coaching will be better, but definitely premature to say that at this point.
Now, on occasion, you get a little lucky and exceed your cycle. OSU, which is probably the 2nd most talented program in the country, was in a rebuilding year this year but managed to scrape out close wins over us, MSU and NW or this could have easily have been an 8-5 or 9-4 season for them. Occasionally you can buck the trend with a little bit of luck but generally not how it works even for the most talented schools. Or maybe you do a little worse if your QB gets injured etc. Alabama right now is more or less the exception to the rule. Even like an Alabama, they are basically having to make up for QB weakness/inexperience with a superlative D. Most schools can't cover up a big weakness like that, we couldn't with OL. But Alabama is pretty much at a Manifest College Football Destiny level at this point as they prove Crimson Tide exceptionalism. Fuckers.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Redshirts are usually great.||
Redshirts are usually great. They give the coaching staff the option of keeping a kid or wishing him depending on who he figures into future plans. You get a 22 year old 5th year performance instead of an 18 year old 1st year performance. And pretty much everyone who redshirts isn't going to play anyway so it's not like you sit a guy who was going to be a difference maker. Clearly based on this year's redshirt bonfire, if you can contribute, you're gonna play.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||No one recruit matters all||
No one recruit matters all that much, despite what Rivals/Scout/247 etc would have us believe. There's a lot of really good football players and some of them don't pan out anyway.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Right. Out of Herbert,||
Right. Out of Herbert, Honigford, Steuber, and Hall, who projects as OT or OG?
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Why is so hard for people to||
Why is so hard for people to acknowledge that the program is on a positive overall trajectory, but also that the way this year ended was a significant missed opportunity? Both are true. Coaching is way better, recruiting is back to top 10 classes, culture has been fixed, off the field is fine.
But also, if you've been following Michigan football for decades, you know that there are ebbs and flows with talent, seniority and schedule. And that you have to seize on those years that come along every 3 or 5 or 10 years when you have the opportunity. This team was good, extremely experienced and talented enough. No, probably not good enough to beat Alabama, that's not realistic. But good enough to win the B1G and make the playoff. Sometimes it doesn't work out...and it's quite reasonable to be disappointed when that happens. So just let some people be disappointed and you can be content with 10-3 and it's all good.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Hmmm I guess I haven't paid||
Hmmm I guess I haven't paid enough attention to recruiting this cycle because it looks like we already have 4 tackles committed.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||And for the 87 millionth||
And for the 87 millionth time, a kid who pays significant lip service to academics picks another schools with weaker academics for football/proximity to home reasons.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Let's hope not. After missing||
Let's hope not. After missing on Leatherwood and Wilson, we need some top OL. That's a huge need and he's our best option left at this point. We might even have to reach for a sleeper just to get bodies. Hope we don't regret passing on Aaron Banks.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Fuck THE Ohio State||
Fuck THE Ohio State university.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||lol. ok. We beat Hawaii,||
lol. ok. We beat Hawaii, Central Florida, Rutgers, Maryland, Illinios, 1-8 MSU and Indiana. Then we went 3-3 against CO, WI, PSU, IA, OSU and FSU. So...you've got this team winning 80% of their games against past B1G championship teams like 2004 or the 1999 Orange Bowl winning team with senior Brady, or 60% against the B1G winning 2003 team. Impressive how they do much better against past championship teams in your hypothetical matchups than they did in games against competitive teams in actual matchups this year. Might be a sign that your sense of how good this team is is a wee bit inflated.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Why do you think we'll do||
Why do you think we'll do well recruiting Ohio? Honestly, we haven't recruited Ohio well since we got Burgess/Crable in 2003. Well, I guess we got Manningham and Kalis but it's been slim pickings for a long time. Under Harbaugh, we've gotten a couple of guys from Ohio in Honigford, Ulizio, Kinnel and Hudson but honestly, those were not blue chip types. Maybe Kinnel. Harbaugh's recruiting is fine, we've probably turned the corner with MI kids against MSU, doing well in FL, doing superb in NJ. But there's nothing going on that suggests top Ohio kids are going to be coming here.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||No. The program is not in||
No. The program is not in better shape than it has been since the 1970s. Not sure if you are unaware of the history or just a little too eager about Harbaugh. The talent level, the quality of coaching, and true measures of success: W-L records during much of the period since the 70s is better than what we have seen the last 2 years. Look at 1985-1992 (or 1988-1992) and 1997-2004 as prime periods of sustained success at a higher level of performance than what we've seen. A #4 recruiting class is quite good, but no better than what we pulled in on average from the mid-80s to 2004ish. Not to say that we can't get there, I hope we can, but the program has been in better shape than where it is right now. This was a generic season compared with the 40 years (1968-2007) before the RRod/Hoke clusters. Actually, it was very much like any number of Bo seasons frankly.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||If you did not get at least||
If you did not get at least some enjoyment out of 1991, 1992, 1997, 1999, 2003, 2006 etc then you should probably find a different hobby. I mean, 1997 national championship was not enjoyable to watch/follow?
|11 weeks 6 days ago||The restoration of order with||
The restoration of order with Sparty. They probably won't be 3-9 next year but they are not going to be 11-1 or whatever again either. I expect to beat them again next year and that future in-state recruits will (generally) think of them as a secondary option.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Nick Saban is annoying||
Nick Saban is an annoying unethical demon robot. He has also won 4 of the last 7 (soon 5 of 8?) national championships. But you think we'd be better off with Harbaugh than Saban?
I mean, I'm still kinda drinking the Harbaugh kool aid for the future but Saban and yes, unfortunately, Urban Meyer have superior resumes. Past that, maybe he's #3. Fisher, Swinney, Peterson and Stoops are probably in that conversation too and 2 of those 4 have won national championships.
I mean, Harbaugh's our coach. He's a Michigan guy and even a Pioneer guy which I like as a PiHi grad. He's one of the best. That's good enough for now. Hopefully he proves he can match the very top coaches by winning multiple national championships, as they have. But that remains to be seen for now.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Wait, 3-5 wins is a C/C-? So||
Wait, 3-5 wins is a C/C-? So you would give Dantonio a C- for his results this year and Brian Kelly a C? Rutgers guy gets a C too? An 8-5 type team that finishes 23rd is getting a B+ or B?
|11 weeks 6 days ago||That could be. Hadn't thought||
That could be. Hadn't thought of that. He was just a fraction of a second too slow to turn around and make a play on the ball. Usually he's very good about being ball aware.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah, scholarship limitations||
Yeah, scholarship limitations is probably not the only factor. I guess the only thing that I would say is just that there is a lot more parity now then there was back then. Not sure exactly why. Maybe because the $$$ side has exploded and so there are more resources to go around for everyone?
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah, he's got a little bit||
Yeah, he's got a little bit of a position conundrum. He's not a true cover guy but he's not big enough to be a classic LB type. He's kinda like all of those college hoops guys that play the 4 but have NBA small forward size. But not really because he's also insanely athletic.
Ten years ago it would have really hurt his draft status. The good thing is the NFL has adapted to find more roles for guys like him that are super athletic and versatile. He just needs the right defense. But he probably will have to cover a bit more in the NFL than he did this year and show he can do that well. Still a 1st round guy but finding a place with a role that fits his skills will be very important for him having a successful career.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||So basically, you want to use||
So basically, you want to use the RRod/Hoke 7 years as your measuring stick?
In the 39 years of modern M football under Bo/Mo/Carr, 3 losses or fewer occured in 28 of those 39 seasons, or 72% of the time. Before the dark times, a 3 loss season was relatively common place.
Different standards for success I guess.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||It won't be long now. Will||
It won't be long now. Will gladly eat my crow if I'm wrong.
Every situation is different. Offensive tackles have more draft position upside to improving their stock by returning than an NFL Safety type does. Peppers isn't going to get large enough to be a true NFL LB or play a more desirable position which are the two biggest issues with his draft stock.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Indeed. Not in the Cards||
Indeed. Not in the Cards (ha!). That team quit on the season like Petrino quit on the Falcons.
Anyway, this is why I do not bet on sports. Which...admittedly, is probably not much worse than betting on REITs but still.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||I think you just hope that||
I think you just hope that they go through spring practice and give it a go first. You lose Morris, and then maybe another guy, and then I dont think McCaffery is an early enrollee so you have some combination of O'Korn, Malzone and Peters as your backups. If you lose two out of that group then you really only have 2 QBs at spring practice and that's not ideal. Also, usually you have to play a 2nd QB during garbage time so you really don't want McCaffrey as your 3rd where a major injury puts him at risk of burning his redshirt. Unless Gentry moves back but doesn't seem likely that happens or even necessarily that....
Anyway, hopefully, if one does leave, that plus the Morris departure starts to make the depth chart more appealing to the guys who are left and the rest stick. Regardless of quality, we need a certain level of depth at QB.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Reasonable, but also quite||
Reasonable, but also quite scary.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Just stop with the Peppers||
Just stop with the Peppers returning chatter please. Wish him well and respect the decision. But the man is gone.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Some of the productivity||
Some of the productivity shortfall in that period falls on Carr/DeBord. That was Carr's biggest weakness, even more so than the inability to ever figure out spread defense. He wanted to run and play manball but was consistently mediocre at it with superior to above average talent. Like look at the rushing numbers for the 2000 team that had ATrain, who was quite good as a college back but not in that category of your Alba guys obviously. And then Hutchinson, Backus, Williams, another OL dude I'm forgetting right now, Henson, Terrell, Walker etc. For a college team that was sick talent but we did not use it effectively. You can really say the same for much about his whole tenure and while I'm too lazy to pull rushing stats I recall them as tepid for almost ever year.
I do think you have to throw out some of those 70s and 80s guys. Like they were that good, but the talent was so concentrated in the best teams before the full effects of scholarship limits came into place that you get some skewed info.
Yeah, WI is killing it with the running game for sure. The truly shocking part about that is how they've been able to sustain that after Alvarez went upstairs across Bert, beaver dude, and now Pitt guy.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Is it the caliber of||
Is it the caliber of students, or is it grade inflation? Obviously both to some extent. There's a lot of general info regarding grade inflation, but I'm not as familiar with the U of M specific situation. More so for private schools than public of course as $ paid as a customer plays into it, but still present for public as well. Certainly, when the legislature de-funded U of M in the mid-90s and the school turned to higher levels of out of state and international students that lead to some increases in the competitiveness of the student body. What's the more recent situation? Just curious as I don't follow this closely. As a 90s student, I'm a little bit skeptical, but also aware of my inherent biases.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Not seeing it. That could be||
Not seeing it. That could be a good distinction, but if you go through the heights and weights of the kids that Harbaugh has added, in the 2015-17 Hello posts, they dont appear to be any bigger than the junior/senior group at the time they were seniors. Well, at least if you exclude Onwenu who is an anomoly. But the rest, nah. Braden was 308, Kalis 294, JBB 320, Mags 285, Kugler 280 etc as recuits. Heights are similar too. Obviously you can't quantify the frame of a kid but if the heights and weights are the same, there's probably not a big difference in frames And kids with large frame potential are also often known as kids with not enough muscle eg it will take years to be college football ready because they are projects.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||The crux of the glass half||
The crux of the glass half full/half empty divergence in perspectives is that the quality of football was A- and the record is a B- record given the talent and schedule. S & P+ and FEI will confirm the former and the final AP standings will confirm the latter. If you want to take the long view of 2016 and say that this year confirmed we can be very competitive with top teams with good talent and sound coaching that is true. If you want to take the narrower perspective that this year was a wasted major opportunity, the type that only comes around every 5 to 10 years and that we failed too often in key moments in close games that is also true. There is no getting around the fact that the talent and seniority on this team merits a better record than 10-3. 11-2 would be about right. 12-1 would be fantastic and is maybe a bit much to hope for but 10-3 with OSU and bowl losses is nothing more than just ok.
Nothing major happened to imperil the future under Harbaugh. But high level college football is just a series of seasons where you make the most of the good opportunities you have when talent, experience and coaching come together. 2016 was one of those opportunities, but we did not take advantage.
All of that is why you are reading a lot of restlessness. Maybe that's just a steaming pile or bad luck or refereeing if you want get into that. But it's probably also indicative of some late game management issues that are not being acknowledged. Also, the defense, as good as it was, failed to stop opponents at key moments of the season.
It would be interesting to see how viewpoints break down by experience. I suspect that the happy with Harbaugh types are probably those who were in school from 2008-2014 and have a lower set of expectations than those who've been following Michigan football for much longer.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Top 10% is 3.8? That's some||
Top 10% is 3.8? That's some serious grade inflation.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Your post makes it sound like||
Your post makes it sound like Harbaugh inherited the 2008 offense and the 2009 defense. The cupboard was not bare. 2014 was a meltdown and the record was not indicative of a team that had major talent deficiencies like 2008 or 2012. It was indicative of a program breaking down, QB injuries/issues, and maybe some people quitting on the season. And poor coaching. Harbaugh inherited much better talent than most other new coaches do.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Thanks Comrade Fred Jackson.||
Thanks Comrade Fred Jackson.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Well we lost 3 of our last 4||
Well we lost 3 of our last 4 games, by 5 points and in all 3 of them we lead in the last minute. Hard to make a snowflake out of the way this season ended. The forward momentum ended after Maryland. The quality of football was good but their record underperformed the talent level.
Brown made good adjustments in the 2nd half. They just made a few more plays.
Coaches did a good job of getting the intensity level raised in the 2nd half. Not sure what happened in the first half.
Not calling timeouts once FSU was in FG range was poor clock management.
Coaches have their work cut out for them. At the least, 61 of 85 will be freshman or sophomores next year and that's w/o any attition except for Peppers and one 5th year I assume is finished. Hope they earn some snowflakes in 2017 because we'll need them.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Funk was 1000000% the issue.||
Funk was 1000000% the issue. Past that, I don't know.
I just think it is a little bit inaccurate to say our upperclassmen are not talented but Harbaugh's new guys are. That was true circa 2008 when RRod took over, and also true circa 2012 when Hoke took over and had some young small 3 star OLs to work with. Don't think it is really the case in 2016. Unless they are all busts. But...I tend to think more Funk.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||How is LSU without Fournette||
How is LSU without Fournette going to score points? They barely could with the best RB in the country. Without him...yeah...Louisville has a good chance even though the regular season ended with a thud.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||People are acting like there||
People are acting like there is no talent there but the shiny new recruits will be fantastic and then turbo-Harbaugh! I don't think the facts bear that out. Let's see:
Kalis was a top 100 recruit, a 5 star on 2 of 4 services
Dawson was a 4 star recruit on all 4 services, top 100 on 2 of 4 services
Cole was a 4 star recruit on all 4 services, top 100 on 2 of 4 services
Kugler was a 4 star recruit on 3 of 4 services and 5 star on the other. Top 101 on all 4 services.
JBB was a 4 star on 2 of 4 services
Braden, yeah, ok, just a 3 star.
Also, look at all of their offer sheets from other schools. It's not Eastern Michigan and Buffalo for these guys.
Newsome was solid 4 star too but let's ignore that due to injury and the real young guys who need time to develop. Anyway, I'm skeptical that the recruiting services were all that wrong on these guys. Compare Hoke's OL guys to Harbaugh's as recruits and they aren't really worse or less talented coming out of high school. And they might not fit Harbaugh's paradigm perfectly but these are Hoke manball dudes, not small quick 3 star RRod zone blocking OL types.
Now, I am completely open to the idea that Funk funked all of these guys up and the new guys will be so so so much better due to coaching. But what's the basis for saying that all of our older lineman are a bunch of 2 star unathletic scrubs is not based in facts.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Did Isaac even play? I don't||
Did Isaac even play? I don't see a single carry in the box score? Sorta weird and interesting.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Sort of. More mobile QB, no||
Sort of. More mobile QB, no Peppers certainly helped them.
But also, they basically had like 3 huge plays and the rest was terrible. FSU OL didn't really hold up very well. Francois was 9 of 27! Cook was 20 for 74 on runs besides the 71 yard play. They got 208 yards on the long busted pass, the cook wheel route (was it a wheel route?) and the 71 yard run on 3rd and fucking 22. The rest was 163 yards on 59 plays or about 2.6 yards/play. Those three big plays and the KO return killed us and the difference was that we had nothing similar on offense. Downfield passing game failed us at several points this season. OL is part of that but it is also Speight.
I mean Cook has skills so you have to accept that he makes plays, although it sure is aggravating when it is on 3rd and 22 when they are backed up in 4th quarter. The 92 yard pass and then the final pass over Lewis were the things that happened in this game that were not really problems at all during the season.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||I could see someone spending||
I could see someone spending a 6th on Magnuson.
But yeah, to your overall point, hey're meh generally.
Not sure Kalis isn't talented. Think his growth is just too stunted at this point. Actually, he could be a project OL practice squad guy too. Honestly, once you get past the first 120 guys or so per draft the margin between the roster filler guys and starting power 5 players at good schools is not that big.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Could not care less about||
Could not care less about Louisville-LSU or Georgia Tech whoever. Sorry to be negative in your kumbaya thread, but it's too soon to give any fucks about other football programs.
I just want to see Ohio State lose. Conveniently, I would be good with UW winning since they are neither annoying or dirty. Which is also why I want to see Alabama or Clemson lose. Go Huskies a million times over. The unlikeliest outcome is of course the one I can actually stomach. Kind of think they have a chance with their playmakers; and then kind of don't against AL D.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Charlton and Glasgow are||
Charlton and Glasgow are really good...Winovich and Mone are probably not going to fully fill their shoes. True, the first group of DL is experienced, more or less. But the second group is unproven so probably fair to think of it as replacing half or 2 starters worth of DL. Less depth-- they'll need to stay healthy.
I think we'll have some more athletic LBs but ithey won't be 2016 Peppers quality, or even Gedeon level necessarily next year.
Secondary was lockdown and is being completely replaced despite Kinnel getting some run. We'll see. Young secondaries get burned a lot, even if talented. Watson, Hill, Long, whoever will have to be good fast. If you can't cover, you're toast. CB is my biggest concern.
It's not 10 starts per se but it's like 8 of 11 and lots of very talented guys at that. New players always carry a lot of downside risk. It might be fine, it might not. You never know until next year. I think you might be underestimating the impact.
And maybe if you had a veteran offense then ok, they carry you till defense is up to speed. But you're losing starters: 3 OL, RB, 2x WRs (maybe 3x), TE etc. And senior leadership. And your P/K.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||I understand what you are||
I understand what you are saying perfectly well. You want to shift a lot of things around to ensure neutrality. Which I get, but other people, and by other people I mean the B1G, the bowls, and the other 4 Power conferences don't care enough about a vague concept like bowl neutrality to shift bowl agreements that involve millions of dollars of money around simply for that purpose. There are better and worse bowls and bowl arrangements. If the B1G tries to get what you are asking for, you might have more Alamo/Sun bowls and fewer Citrus bowls. Which may provide neutrality but is probably a net loss for the traveling Michigan fan base.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||2016 was worse than 2006. At||
2016 was worse than 2006. At least 2006 didn't have an Iowa like loss. And we trailed OSU for most of the game in 2006. Also, USC was clearly the better team; I don't really feel that way about FSU. Not getting to have Peppers + Butt play is also disappointing. Maybe it's just acute right now but I think 2016 is worse.
I'd put 2005, 2000, 1994, 1992 and a zillion other years before 2010. That was just the sad end of an interesting but flawed idea.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||The really amazing thing is||
The really amazing thing is that we lost 3 games by a combined 2 points during regulation. And lead all 3 games in the last 40 seconds.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Yep. Three guys who the||
Yep. Three guys who the coaches thought were worse than Magnuson, Braden, and Kalis will start next year. Kugler to C, Onwenu to G and JBB? Pending Newsome. Then Cole shifts out. Maybe they'll develop before then. But...it also may well get worse before it gets better.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Next season is about||
Next season is about development of the young guys and OSU. Need to develop the players that will compose the 2018 and 2019 teams adn get them game experience. Wins and losses are secondary, for the most part.
I don't think we beat OSU, but obviously they are the elephant in the room. It's really the only individual game that matters next season IMO. If Harbaugh loses again, and I expect OSU to be significantly better than us next year, then he is looking at an 0-3 record against OSU going into a road game in Columbus in 2018. At some point, he needs to turn that corner and start beating OSU. The pressure and anxiety in the fanbase will start to build up and at some point he'll lose favor with the fanbase if he can't win the game.
I think Harbaugh's a very good coach, but to date Urban Meyer appears to be an ever better coach. That'll probably bring out the negs, but his team' performance everywhere going back to Utah and even Bowling Green speaks for itself. I just hope either fricking Clemson or Alabama beats him.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||A hangover and a loss. Not||
A hangover and a loss. Not the way to start New Year's Eve.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Missing Butt was tough there.||
Missing Butt was tough there. But yeah. Also, we get a little bit too predictable with certain things, like the manball runs. That's fine against lesser teams but not when Walker is destroying our OL on every other play.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Speight is probably one of||
Speight is probably one of the big questions for 2017 while it looked around Halloween like he would be one of the best pieces for 2017. Did Speight just plateau and struggle against better defenses (yes the OL is a big part of the problem but not the cause for him airmailing guys). The improving trend through Maryland stopped with Iowa. Is it the injury or lack of progression? Dunno.
O'Korn...nah. Regardless of the weather, he was overmatched by the pressure from Indiana and would have melted down against 44 tonight. I think you ride or die with Speight at this point in the season. We dead.
End game and clock management has been poor. That part is pretty clear honestly.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||You might be right that||
You might be right that Pepcat was a big part of the plan on O. I am glad to never see that again. That and the fucking Morris running package. Both felt like forced contrivances and we stuck with them long after the novelty had stopped being effective. Felt like we were doing Pepcat to get him touches for his Heisman hype because it was never integrated with any significant misdirection or variation off of the base play. If we are gameplanning for farewell or Heisman hype, that's a fail. Just run the damn offense. Also, the train play, major fail today.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Eh. Seens some other programs||
Eh. Seens some other programs have great more seasons a lot more often. Would love to be spoiled like that and not appreciate how special they are.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||OSU has more talent. But yep,||
OSU has more talent. But yep, totally agree with general sentiment. Our talent is on par with FSU, and also Clemson and Washington who are both in the playoff. Way better than Iowa's. Watch the 2017 draft. No amount of coaching will turn scrubs into NFL draft picks.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Is it superior coaching or||
Is it superior coaching or good experienced talent? Because I am pretty sure that when the NFL draft comes around we are about to have 10+ guys drafted which may be the most of any school.
I mean, OSU and Alabama are more talented than us. Not sure like an FSU, Clemson or Washington is more talented, maybe, it's fairly close. I am certain that Iowa is less talented.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Sure, there are going to be||
Sure, there are going to be neutral site games because of the random ways that bowl selections play out. And especially for places like the Sun Bowl because the closest major college teams in Lubbock, Austin, Phoenix etc are ~500 miles away. But no one is every going to make that a prerequisite. Sometimes it will be neutral through happenstance. Other times not.
If you think the B1G has the leverage to say that large fanbases for schools near bowls must be excluded to preserve neutrality then I don't know what to tell you. The bowls, TV networks and other conference in the bowl agreement aren't going to limit themselves like that and the B1G doesn't have enough leverage to make that happen. The Citrus/Orange/Hall of Fame/WTF they are calling it these days are not writing off Miami/FSU/FL. The Rose is not excluding USC/UCLA. The Fiesta will not excluded AZ/ASU, not that that would matter. Cotton with Oklahoma or Texas. Same thing. Not happening.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Eh. We are better than under||
Eh. We are better than under RichRod or Hoke. In the short term, that might be enough. It's not in the long-term. Very good football team, but reminiscient of Bo teams in that they came up short in important games. 10-3 underperforms the talent.
Brace yourselves, because it will get worse before it gets better. Not bad like before, but we are probably looking at a 9-4 or 8-5 year next year. We are bring in a lot of good young talent and we have strong coaching. But the next two years are going to feature the upperclasses that were worn down from attrition and meh talent. You can't lose like 17-19 starters (pending Perry and Newsome + attrition) and not take a step back. The OL is a mess and is going to take 2-3 years to truly fix. That's the slowest area for talent to mature. We lose a shit ton of good players. We have 9 seniors next year out of 85 guys. This was the year...probably...until 2019.
And OSU is the yardstick no doubt. They lose significantly less talent than we do this offseason, and are bringing in a little bit more talent than we are. Sadly, if anything the talent gap increases (temporarily) next year. Gonna take more time for the talent deficit to close until we can replace the limited senior classes of 2017 and 2018 with younger better guys.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||I'm glad you're happy. I||
I'm glad you're happy. I enjoyed my 11 years living in Ann Arbor too.
That said, tourism activities and even general migration patterns in the US indicate that your opinion is a minority one. People are leaving the Midwest for the South for vacations and for their residences.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||No you didn't say just||
No you didn't say just Michigan. Since you want me to truly spell it out, it's not just Michigan, it's anywhere close to Michigan. People generally want to go to warm places with beaches for a December vacation. Or maybe a big city like NYC or SF but there not really any destinations close to Michigan that are attractive for bowls. Secondly, we will almost always play another Power 5 conference team which means either PAC 10, SEC, ACC or Big 12. A quick check of the map shows that those are schools mostly in warm weather areas that will be closer to bowl destinations. T
his has always been the way that bowls work (generally) and always will be the way that bowls work. It doesn't have to stay that way because that is how it has always been done; it will stay that way because it makes economic sense. The status quo exists for a reason and that's because having a large fanbase like Florida or FSU with the short travel distances is very appealing to bowls. Bowls will often gleefully except close local schools if they have large fanbases that will buy tickets, fill hotels rooms and restaurants which is the bowls' main agenda. No one is going to prioritize true neutrality in bowls over making money. If you don't know that already, you do not understand college sports. Sorry to be pissy but obviously I'm in a pissy mood and this thread is not helping.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Life isn't fair. Michigan is||
Life isn't fair. Michigan is the opposite of where peeps want to be in winter. Get over it.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Eh not sure about this 2||
Eh not sure about this 2 point. Now if they get a FG you are down 8 instead of 7. A little early. Especially since our pass game is ass.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Oh shit||
|11 weeks 6 days ago||At some point Cole is how he||
At some point Cole is how he has played this year which is pretty meh.
Also, gotta be a wide open QB competition this offseason.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Walker is destroying the OL.||
Walker is destroying the OL.
|12 weeks 3 hours ago||If you like cats, I'd go with||
If you like cats, I'd go with Bagheera.
If you don't like cats and it's just for your wife, then maybe Joe Caterno.
|12 weeks 4 hours ago||To my recolleciton, the Notre||
To my recolleciton, the Notre Dame series didn't really start until mid-80s or so and the 70s nonconference schedules were pretty weak. I'm sure someone could look that up but I doubt we beat many good teams in that 27-1-2. And obviously the bowl record was atrocious during that period.
|12 weeks 4 hours ago||Maybe. Before my time, but I||
Maybe. Before my time, but I think it might just be simpler than that, which is that we were really good but USC was a little bit better during that period.
|12 weeks 4 hours ago||I mean, I generally agree||
I mean, I generally agree with that that they were exceptionally good and talented for a long period of time. The top 5 finish streak is quite impressive. WIth that said, they went 70-2 (97.2%) in the ACC from 1992 to 2000. That reflects FSU's strength but also the ACC's weakness, especially because remember during that period Miami and VTech were Big East teams and Clemson was down after one of their various cheating scandal cycles. So...great teams, but records and rankings were actually a bit inflated during that period. But compare that to the 29-9-1 (76.4%) winning % during that period for out of conference/bowl games. So instead of losing 3% of games they are losing 24%. I think that 8 fold increase in the rate of games lost demonstrates how terrible the ACC was back then. I don't think you'll see that if you look at other recent dominant programs like Alabama, Carroll era USC, maybe OSU etc.
Now, in terms of bowls, streaks, I don't think that matters because when they were really good they still would have obviously made bowls. Where they probably benefitted a bit from weak schedules was during the 80s when they were building the program and then during the latter Bowden years when they weren't that good. Had they faced tough competition, they probably would have had their bowl streak snapped during that 2005-2009 period when they had 5-6 losses a year. I'd still argue the ACC was #meh during that period too which helped preserve the streak, but not as bad as it was during the 90s. But they didn't lose, and so it wasn't broken, and this is all moot in the end I guess.
|12 weeks 7 hours ago||Didn't even know that South||
Didn't even know that South Alabama was an FBS team, let alone in a bowl. The number of mediocre bowl games has really exploded. I think we're at what, like 60% of teams make bowls now?
Those of us who are old remember South Alabama for beating 6th seeded Alabama in the 1st round of the 1989 NCAA tournament and then getting bombed by Glen Rice and Terry Mills during the 2nd round as we advanced on our way to the national championship.
|12 weeks 8 hours ago||Bowl records is always kind||
Bowl records is always kind of a weird thing because of weird matchups and teams that airmail in their bowl efforts as vacations etc. I'm kind of partial to the records against the spread since that kind of tells you more about whether team were better than they were perceived to be.
PAC 12 definitely has not looked good as CO was destroyed, WSU lost and Utah barely beat a 6-7 Indiana team. Utah game is a good example of a game that where a conference won but if anyhting only undermined the perception of that conference's strength with a tight win over 6-7 team.
|12 weeks 8 hours ago||Probably 1968 actually. We||
Probably 1968 actually. We went 8-2 in Bump Elliott's last season, which people often forget because he was fired after OSU killed us but it was still an 8-2 record.
But right. Nebraska has the longest streak of bowl games at 35. We were at 33, which was 2nd longest and it should have been 40 year from 1968 to 2007 but for the Big 10's arcane rules. I believe FSU is actually passing Nebraska maybe this year or next? Although obviously they faced weaker competition overall as an independent and in the old ACC for much of that period where getting to bowl eligibility was a very low hurdle.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||I'm sure he would have given||
I'm sure he would have given this the "I'm just here so I don't get fined" treatment anyway because he's all about that football boss.
But the specific phrasing on this with all of the bikini references just screams potential objectification of women controversy. Trolling reporting is obvious in a landscape that includes Baylor, Tennessee, Minnesota, etc. Way to shut it down with a quickness, repeatedly.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||1)Glad he learned a||
1)Glad he learned a lesson.
2)Glad he graduated.
3)9%! Charge that phone.
4)417 other new texts? That sounds exhausting just to skim and delete. I'm glad I was young before social media existed.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||I feel pretty confident that||
I feel pretty confident that when you typed Sagan you were not talking about Carl Sagan. But not totally sure if you meant to type Saban or Satan. It's not just phonetics that they have in common.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||I'm not stating it as a fact,||
I'm not stating it as a fact, just as a reasonable possibility. You may well be right. But I think it's at least reasonably possible that he has a degree after 4 years in school, and if so that he might consider transferring. Michigan, and I assume Houston, dedicate a lot of resources to ensuring that kids stay on track for graduation for various reasons including to ensure they are eligible to play and for the NCAA progress rate.
Also, football players are more likely to take summer classes because their job prospects for internships etc are more limited than regular students by NCAA rules and that can help them stay on a 4 year course, or graduate early. No way to know about either of those things unless O'Korn discusses it publicly.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||It would be a point in favor||
It would be a point in favor of a LS being important, in general.
It would be an even stronger point against giving a scholarship to a particular LS because of the value he creates compared to a walk-on, if that particular LS's performance isn't demonstrably better. And this would be a data point going against his performance being better than that of a replacement walk-on.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Claeys demise? It's a||
Claeys demise? It's a controversy but far from clear that he is on a course leading to his demise.
Also, Minnesota is 8-4. Yes, he hasn't shown any reason to think his team will ever do more than be average in B1GW. Sure, it's a bit of a hollow record for a team that probably isn't that good. But 8-4 is probably plenty good enough for Minnesota for a while. I have a hard time seeing this as being football related at all like a Beckman situation where some conduct controversy is used as a proxy to throw a coach under the bus because his team is terrible (his conduct may have been too). Looks like a straight up dispute about him siding with the players. I don't know enough about the facts to comment on that, but it was certainly easily foreseeable that if he took their side publicly that there would be at least some blowback from the public given the nature of the allegations against the players.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Yes and no. Usually with||
Yes and no. Usually with attrition of nonqualifiers, discipline etc we've run under 85 by the time camp actually started. So yeah, those snappers get scholarships as walk-ons much of the time because they are the walk-ons most likely to contribute and you're usually under 85. With coaching changes we've run up higher classes and tighter to the 85 limit lately so that's an issue. But also those LS get the scholarship as a reward but it isn't a guaranteed outcome, whereas if you recruit and offer that scholarship then you are more or less locked in so it's a commitment you're obligated to. Other than the potential weirdness of the George Morales recruitment, I don't remember M actually recruiting another guy as a scholarship LS in the last 30 years.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||And yet all of the bean||
And yet all of the bean counters at every other school find it more economical to use walk-ons for their long-snapping too. There is not a plague of snaps over the punter's head sweeping the nation. It's not that big of a deal. He's a long snapper. It's not a scholarship position.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Eh. Very few schools spend||
Eh. Very few schools spend scholarships on a LS. You can find a kid who can specialize in that one skill and do it well 99% of the time.
Also, who snapped the ball low on the punt against MSU last year?
|12 weeks 3 days ago||As mentioned, Poggi got like||
As mentioned, Poggi got like half of the snaps. But also, what about Biff Poggi? Hard to give a guy the firm handshake when Dad is on staff. #Awkward
|12 weeks 3 days ago||You didn't say his name but||
You didn't say his name but we all figure Shallman gets the firm handshake.
I wouldn't take O'Korn coming back as a certainty. He'd obviously be staying for a backup role and if he finished his degree he can grad transfer without a wait. Also, he's already shown he was willing to move for the sake of playing time so why not do it again.
Just my guess but I think you keep both Dawson/Kugler just because the OL depth chart is so thin on experience/development. At worst, they're on the 2 deep next year.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||I plan to start the day with||
I plan to start the day with a banana to ensure my potassium levels are optimal for cheering and such. I'll supplement this with some greek yogurt mixed with fresh blueberries to further enhance my tasty breakfast. With hobbit like precision, a few hours later I'll have second breakfast which consists of a 3 egg omelet with sauteed mushrooms.
For lunch, I anticipate eating a salad since I'm old and fat.
Dinner will be comprised of delicious and not nutritious pizza with a heaping helping of assorted meats as well as generous portions of veggies. Afficionados of italian cuisine have sometimes termed this a Supreme Pizza, but the specifics can vary depending on the culinary region of America in which the pizza is being consumed. The term Supreme Pizza is derived from the latin-- Papa Ionnes Summi Pizza which is loosely translated as Papa John's Supreme Pizza.
Alcohol remains an unanswered question. But rest assured, there will be hard liquor.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||You can get a DNA test off of||
You can get a DNA test off of like Amazon or something for maybe $75 if you're interested in knowing the actual genetic background. Think it takes like 2 weeks or something to get the results back.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah, I have an 80 lb fawn||
Yeah, I have an 80 lb fawn boxer (named Bobby). He's very playful and would never bite me intentionally but the breed tends to be mouthy and even gentle playtime tug of war bites hurt a lot. They're smart dogs but tend to be stubborn as hell. Playful and very affectionate as you say, but also so high energy that it's kind of like living with a cartoon character.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Get the husky and call him||
Get the husky and call him Wheatley in honor of Tyrone making the huskies his bitch in the 93 Rose Bowl.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Wow. 5x 6-6 teams and a 5-7||
Wow. 5x 6-6 teams and a 5-7 team playing today. When do the games that are worth watching start? Loves me some college football but I think I'll go take the dog for a walk.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||I'll at least blame Rodriguez||
I'll at least blame Rodriguez for the two losses you mentioned that happened while Greg Robinson was our defensive coordinator.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||No. It's not close to the||
No. It's not close to the best class in UM history and by far the greatest class in U of M history is an lol. Perspective.
But the best class since 2004, at least. Check out some of the historical classes. 2001 was small but the best in country on a stars/recruit basis. 2003 is quite good. 1998 was a #1 class with some services. 95 included 2 first ballot NFL hall of famers with Tom Brady, Charles Woodson and others (Tai Streets, Renes, Shea, David Bowens etc). The late Bo classes and early Moeller classes were pretty insane.
|13 weeks 7 hours ago||I think the timing you cite||
I think the timing you cite is probably more coincidence and a function of how highly active the compressed period between the end of HS football seasons and the dead period is. But keep hoping. I also don't think that whatever their optimism on Harris is, that it has enough certainty to it that the staff would then cool on another kid at this point until Harris is more of a sure thing. Maybe only if they were already having doubt that they wanted that guy anyway. And since Harris is an early enrollee, they could have just waited until we all knew for sure in like 2 weeks, and then gently nudged someone else towards another school if we get Harris with that player still having time for other OVs and to find a soft landing spot.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Think he is using good here||
Think he is using good here as a proxy for athletic, eg the old SEC stereotype that B1G teams are slow, plodding, unathletic and not that good. Only hope is to coach 'em up. Which is silly, but a surprising common mindset among SEC peeps.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Media dude adds another||
Media dude adds another tweet that says:
"To clarify, Tabor was suprised Michigan was as good as they were. Added they were even better due to their coaching."
I think that when Tabor says "wasn't that good" I don't think he is trying to throw shade. He means he didn't think we were 34 points and a mudhole stomping of their asses in the state of Florida good. And probably that he underestimated us because slow B1G team SEC blah blah balh. And just maybe, he has an opinion of the Gators that may have been just a wee bit over inflated.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Hopefully he sends both his||
Hopefully he sends both his agent and Steve McNair some really nice presents for Christmas since his agent is somehow leveraging the success he had 15 years ago with McNair as his QB into new contracts.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Strong looks a lot like their||
Strong looks a lot like their RichRod. Successful at another school but maybe one where he wasn't really beating top level opponents. Poor cultural fit. Inherits roster with minimal talent and some cultural rot from coach who was quite successful but got stale at the end. Never really wins in his 3 years but pretty much the thing that kills him is that it really doesn't look like it is getting better and there are huge weaknesses even in his 3rd year. Probably made some poor decisions for the coordinators and assistants he hired. Very similar.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||I'll play devils advocate.||
I'll play devils advocate. Did he really fail miserably?
He failed with the Raiders at 5-15. But the NFL is a different game in terms of personnel, we all know the latter Al Davis years were a disaster across various coaches and he didn't even get halfway through his his second season before he's out. See also Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Lou Holtz, Bobby Petrino, Chip Kelly, Dennis Erickson etc.
At Tennessee he inherits a 5-7 team and goes 7-6 and then jets after one season for USC. I don't see how you can call this a failure on the field. It certainly looks bad from a career perspective to be jumping jobs after a year. But realistically, how much you can blame him? USC is on another level from TN and he is a CA guy. There, he does 28-15 and gets canned. He didn't win big, but he was also averaging like 8-4ish at a school that was on probation winning at a 65% clip. Compare that with Charlie Strong who had losing records all 3 seasons, going 16-21 or winning 43% of his games at Texas. But immediately gets another job based on his success at Louisville and his lack of the baggage that comes with Kiffin.
There are a few things you can conlude based on Tennessee/USC:
1)He's an epic douchebag on a personal level and that wears thin quickly. He'll have to prove he's matured. I doubt he has but whatever.
2)His record in college isn't nearly as bad as people sometimes think. He had a winning record all 4+ seasons. His W-L is better than tons of guys who have gotten second chances. He hasn't, probably because of #1.
3)His job history is almost as big of a problem as his personality. He can't get a big job until he proves himself somewhere else first. He won't get a smaller job because he's perceived to be a job hopper who will jump at the first chance he gets. Catch 22.
I mean, I'd have serious reservations about hiring him but the guy's resume is better than that of some people who are going to get 2nd or 3rd tier jobs.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Partially that, but also it||
Partially that, but also it is just a job title to make it look better on a resume as if he had more authority than he probably does. Like some corporations where every third person has VP in his/her title. Coaches have careers to manage too and change jobs frequently too.
|15 weeks 2 days ago||Well if they go 4-8 again in||
Well if they go 4-8 again in 2017 it's certain that their family friend and every other UCLA coach is going to no longer be his coach thereafter.
|15 weeks 2 days ago||Yeah. The thing that I||
Yeah. The thing that I learned from the Myron Rolle recruitment back in 2005 was to look at a player's other top schools to see if the lip service given to the importance of academics is truly translating to an important criterion in the recruiting decision. Obviously you won't know the truth until the final decision, but if a kid is genuinely as focused on academic programs as he says, then the list of schools that he takes official visits would be the intersection of football and school if school really matters. So Michigan, Stanford, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas etc. Maybe even like a Northwestern or even like an Ohio State or Florida or something where they are not quite as good academically but still solid and outstanding at football.
In Myron Rolle's case, he had Oklahoma and Florida State in his top 5. I remember Rivals keep pushing this theory that he was going to Michigan because of how much he and his family cared about school And obviously, guy turned out to be Rhodes scholar and all that so very smart and great student. But still, went to Florida State and the sheer fact taht he had them and Oklahoma in his top 5 as schools he took officials to (as best as I remember) told you a lot more about what he was really judging on (football) than what he claimed was the priority. Same thing with Hand and Alabama. Look at a kid's finalists and that will often tell you the truth.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Sparty went 1-8 in B1G, they||
Sparty went 1-8 in B1G, they literally erased the gap with everyone except Rutgers this year.
Agree that we were even with OSU. But then we had a senior experienced team whereas they had a ton of new guys.
Yes, Saban was a failure as a pro coach. We're talking college and Saban is dominating college football right now. There are all sorts of college and NFL coaches whose success didnt translate to one or the other.
Harbaugh does need more time before we really know how successful he is. Saban won a NC in his 4th year at LSU. NC in his 3rd year at AL. And 5th, 6th, 9th and maybe 10th seasons. So...yeah, if we win the NC 4 of the next 7 seasons Harbaugh will match Saban has done at AL in his first 9 years.
Meyer went 9-3 in his 2nd year at BGSU. He went 12-0 in his 2nd year at Utah. He went 13-1 and won a NC in his 2nd year after succeeding Zook at Florida. He went 13-1 w/ another NC in his 4th year. Finished 13-1 and 3rd in his 5th year. He went 12-0 his first year at OSU and 14-1 with a NC in his 3rd year. He is 61-5 at OSU, a record that would require Harbaugh winning the next 41 straight games to match. We can quibble about who inhereted what at various stops etc but those two have exceptional track records of very rapid high level success and national championships. I guess we'll see. But I think you're downplaying how insanely successful those two coaches have been.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Yes, this is correct. Clear||
Yes, this is correct. Clear violation. The definition of designation as a coach under NCAA regulations is based solely on how you describe yourself in your twitter handle.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Harbaugh is proven as||
Harbaugh is proven as probably the best coach in the business at building a program/team from the ground up.
I'm sure I'll get negged to hell for Harbaugh heresy, but In terms of best in the business, just, no. Saban is about to win his 6th national championship in his last 12 seasons as a college coach. Think about that, he's winning national championships at an every other year rate.
Meyer has 3 national championships and 5 conference championships. Harbaugh has a Super bowl loss, 0 conference championships and 0 national championships. Love Harbaugh and the future is very bright but at some point you have to be rational about it. Argument to be made that he is the 3rd best coach and I'll buy that. But the gaps between 1 and then 2 and then every one else are pretty large. I think he can do it, but Harbaugh still has a lot to prove.
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|15 weeks 5 days ago||I've never understood why we||
I've never understood why we didn't have better backs this...century? Since ATrain left it's pretty much just Mike Hart. Like Touissant and D. Smith etc had their moments. Chris Perry was very good his senior year. But yeah, overall, especially for a program that's always emphasized the run our RBs have not been great recently.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Right, Braylon was moved to a||
Right, Braylon was moved to a 3 star from a 2 star late in the cycle by Rivals which was the only game in town at that point really as 247 and Scout were starting up right after that. Recruiting was a bit different back then though as there were a lot more sleepers because you didnt have all of the camps, all-star games and widespread video of players that we have now. Obviously Walker/Terrell were very hyped recruits and Avant was top 100. Breaston would have been like a low top 100 recruit. If I recall correctly, it's been a long time.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||No. They're good college||
No. They're good college receivers and 2nd team all B1G types or whatever they were. But they're not like All-American caliber players like a Braylon or David Terrell or Toomer or Desmond or Derrick Alexander in 92 etc. That's the sort of level we are talking about and Darboh/Chesson are good but not close to that.
And let's be honest, Chesson had a disappointing senior year. Yeah, we played with a lot of leads and he sort of never clicked with Speight. But 2.5 receptions/game for 40 yards/game is not what we were hoping to get out of him this year.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah, I mean I have fond||
Yeah, I mean I have fond memories. But true, it has been too long.