|7 weeks 5 days ago||No way|
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Freshmen WR||
Yeah, the idea that "freshmen WR suck" is pretty preposterous at most major programs. At USC, Mike Williams posted 1,200+ yards and 14 TD as a freshman in 2002. A year later Steve Smith put up 300+ yards as the number 3 WR. The next year, Dwayne Jarrett had 849 yards and 13 TD. In 2010 Robert Woods had 792 yards receiving and ran a kickoff back for a TD. In 2011 Marqise Lee had 1,100+ yards and 11 TD. In 2014 Juju Smith-Schuster put up over 700 yards. In 2012 Nelson Agholor put up over 300 yards, and probably would have had a lot more if he wasn't playing with Woods/Lee who combined for 2,500+ yards and 25 TD.
That is a major contribution every 2-3 years. Getting that kind of boost probably shouldn't be the annual expectation, but acting like it is impossible is kind of silly, and probably more a result of our program not being all that great over the last decade plus than anything else.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||2 years||
Campbell played for Hoke in 2011 and 2012.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Omameh...||
He started every game for the Bucs in 2014 and played a bunch for the Bears last year. Fitz was on the active roster for the Ravens and Steelers, and contributed for Pittsburgh in the playoffs last year. Kovacs has played for Miami, though I don't think ever started. Cam Gordon has a Super Bowl ring. So that's another four off the top of my head.
Rodriguez had two full recruiting classes at Michigan. One was really good (record setting QB, 1,000 yard RB, record setting WR, 2X B1G lineman of the year and another NFL OL, Campbell, Roh, Gordon, Gordon, Kovacs, etc., all guys who played a big role in helping Hoke win the Sugar Bowl in his first year). By the time the second one was ready to sign much of the fanbase wanted RR fired and it was clear he had zero support from the new athletic director.
|18 weeks 3 days ago||JMFR||
Roh was asked to bulk up a ton and really became a different kind of player than he looked like as a recruit. The guy you are leaving out of the equation though is Jake Ryan, who posted 27 TFL in the two years he played with Roh (as an underclassman). He is the guy who really played that rush-end role we associate with a WDE and did it very well.
|18 weeks 3 days ago||Bulked up and played well||
He played on the 2011 Sugar Bowl team and was HM all-conference, then was 2nd team all-conference (as voted by the coaches) as a senior. If he had been able to redshirt you are possibly talking about a fantastic three year run as a starter with loads of all-conference recognition.
|20 weeks 5 days ago||Recent success||
They've also been to the Sweet Sixteen or better 5 times in the last decade. Not many programs can top that.
|21 weeks 1 day ago||Indeed||
That team finished 6th in the B1G in rushing offense and 9th out of 11 teams in the league at 4.0 ypc. Pining for that kind of performance makes no sense at all.
Seems like someone blacked out during the OSU game that year as well.
|23 weeks 3 days ago||Doubtful||
We don't get any benefit playing ASU at Yost. This isn't like football where you make enough selling 100,000+ that you are willing to pay teams to come to you.
This game is being played at the Coyotes' NHL arena. It is a showcase for their new program, but it is also a big event opportunity for UM fans on the west coast. I'm planning on traveling in from SoCal because that is pretty much the only way to see UM hockey without venturing across the entire country (Phoenix is just an hour flight from LA, OC, and San Diego, or you can drive it on gameday in about the same time it takes to get to Vegas). The hockey parents get a nice trip, the program gets to sell playing in multiple NHL arenas during the season, and we get to see a ton of UM fans take over a big barn in Arizona.
This is as much about marketing and exposure for Michigan as it is for ASU, and it should be a nice event. Repeating it in Ann Arbor doesn't really make sense until ASU is better at hockey.
|23 weeks 3 days ago||Perhaps more importantly||
This game will be played at the NHL arena where the Coyotes play (so tickets should be abundant), but it looks like ASU sells beer during games at their own hockey venue. Guessing the booze will be flowing throughout the building, and I couldn't be happier.
|23 weeks 3 days ago||Pumped||
Do not care about the RPI implications, very excited to play at ASU. Can't wait to head to Phoenix and catch that game. Guessing there are a lot of other west coast alums who haven't seen a game in a long time that would make that trip as well.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||Who knew?||
Just a few years ago SMU hired a hall of fame coach who had won a gold medal, an NCAA championship, and an NBA championship. Then they started bending the rules like fucking crazy.
Maybe you should judge them by what they are instead of using your perception of what they used to be or should be to get upset about what has been a largely very successful basketball program here at UM.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||Point guard||
Lonzo Ball is the #5 overall recruit on the 247 composite and the #2 PG. He posted 13 assists to just 1 turnover at the McDonald's game (and he's listed at 6'6"). That is a Kentucky level recruit and he will almost certainly take over that spot from Bryce. TJ Leaf is also a 5-star guy and Ike Anigbogu gives them another top-60 big man.
I'm quite far from a UCLA or Alford fan, but I think they'll definitely be better this year.
|24 weeks 7 hours ago||Did you miss all the other stuff?||
John Beilein has won 10 NCAA tourney games at UM (not counting this year's play-in game). Tom Crean has won 6 at IU (in just one fewer season). Mark Turgeon has won 6 at A&M and Maryland in the same period that Beilein has been at UM. Matt Painter has won 8 at Purdue, despite being there two seasons longer than Coach B has been at Michigan. Thad Matta has won 12 at OSU in the time Beilein has been here, despite a head start building his program. Both he and Bo Ryan inherited programs from coaches who had gone to the Final Four.
No one is celebrating "just making the tournament." But maybe people shouldn't weep about our basketball fortunes when the team still makes the tourney despite losing three early entrants to the NBA draft, its best player to injury, and another senior leader to injury.
|24 weeks 8 hours ago||Another option||
Maybe we have a bunch of whiney pussies in our fanbase?
I think I'm going to go with that theory.
|24 weeks 8 hours ago||Tough job||
Made the tourney 5 of the last 6 years, and 6 of the last 8. Won 10 NCAA tourney games since 2009. 2 B1G titles in the last 5 years.
Yeah, tough to watch, dude.
|24 weeks 9 hours ago||Should be better||
The Bruins had a very down year, but went to the Sweet 16 both years prior. They also bring in a pretty elite recruiting class (#5, 18, and 54 on the 247 composite rankings) and should presumably be much improved.
|24 weeks 9 hours ago||The bitching knows no logic||
UCONN has won 4 national titles in the last 20 years. SMU went 25-5 last year.
People who want to bitch seek out reasons to bitch.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Basketball expectations||
The person asking this question mentions this season's "disappointing results". This team lost its leader in points, rebounds, and assists for the entire conference season and the postseason. They still made the tourney and lost a close game to a higher seed and a pretty decent team that ended up going all the way to the Elite Eight.
What the fuck were your expectations if that is a disappointment? That we'd lose far and away our best player (not to mention Spike) and still go to the Final Four?
That is why people bitching about Beilein should be villified. In the last six years, we've had one "disappointing" season. A year after going to the Elite Eight when three sophomores jumped to the NBA draft (a year after another sophomore jumped to the NBA draft) and Walton and LeVert suffered season ending injuries.
The whining about our basketball program is beyond absurd.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||The Brandon Effect||
Making money is great, but short-term cash grabs that damage the brand you already have can often hurt more than they help. Dave Brandon did a bunch of dumb shit to supposedly cash-in while he was the AD here, but the athletic department ended up in worse shape financially. I think someone like Jeanie Buss is smart enough to realize that making a few extra bucks from a patch on the jerseys is far less valuable in the long run than having an iconic franchise.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Teams||
Couldn't a team kill this? Assuming it isn't mandatory, if someone like the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, etc. declined to sell a patch, other teams would look bush league and be pressured not to do it as well, I would think.
|28 weeks 3 days ago||Just a guess||
But I think what you call the "garbage can games" were kind of part of the package. If I remember from over a decade ago, people would list their preference for games and the more games you were willing to pay for, the greater the chance that you would get OSU/MSU/ND tickets as well. So some people were paying face value for shitty seats to some of the lower profile games in order to get big game tickets.
StubHub has destroyed the market for those games by giving a real look at the value of the ticket. People aren't filling out forms and paying $50 when the same seats are online for $20 within a couple of clicks and you know exactly what you are getting.
|28 weeks 3 days ago||Anybody can join||
It has been that way since I worked there while attending UM in the early 2000's. Same price, too. The alumni association is basically a AAA type of organization that offers a series of benefits for a fee that usually exceeds the value of the benefits.
|28 weeks 4 days ago||Marble||
We signed Tim Hardaway Jr. instead in that class. A better rated prospect and a better player who went pro and got picked in the first round after going to the national title game while Marble stayed on campus savoring his NIT all-tourney team ribbon.
If you're still surprised Tom Izzo is capable of signing elite recruits after one of the greatest careers in the history of college basketball I don't know what to tell you. The guy went to 4 Final Fours before Beilein got hired. It ain't on him that the dude is legit. It also doesn't stop us from being good (they were a solid team in 2013 and 2014 and we did okay too). It doesn't help us though if you give him credit for guys he hasn't actually signed yet like Josh Jackson.
|28 weeks 4 days ago||#83||
According to the 247 composite.
|28 weeks 4 days ago||This year||
All of our 4 players in the current class are ranked in the top 220 of the 247 composite. All are from MI or OH. The one guy in the next class is ranked #64 in the country (he's from Wisconsin, so still getting guys from the midwest who are good at basketball). And the same people who are bitching about not recruiting in the D are the same ones claiming that class isn't any good and will provide no benefit to next year's team because OMG Beilein tailspin.
|28 weeks 4 days ago||What are you talking about?||
Valentine is from Lansing. Forbes is from Lansing (by way of Cleveland State). Eron Harris is from Indiana (by way of West Virginia U.). Costello is from Bay City. Davis is from Muskegon. E.G. nobody from Detroit at all making a significant impact.
And what new heights are you talking about? Getting knocked out in the first round like we did? WIth their best player actually in uniform rather than in street clothes?
Xavier has two kids from Detroit. Jalen Reynolds went to prep school for a year because he couldn't enroll out of high school and then was academically ineligible his first season at XU as well. Are you suggesting that is a feasible path to enrolling at UM? And Sumner barely played as a freshman, then had a very low efficiency year where he did score in double figures. Good, but not exactly "balling out" considering he shot under 40% and about 30% from 3 with an assist/turnover ratio less than 2:1.
I don't see anyone on the Iowa roster from the state of MIchigan besides Anthony Clemmons, and he's from Lansing. Jok and Uthoff are both from Iowa. Derrick Walton scored more points, had more assists, had twice as many rebounds, shot 8% better from the three point line and 21% better from the charity stripe. A kid Beilein just happened to sign out of Detroit.
|28 weeks 4 days ago||Why?||
You realize the 2017 class has three state of Michigan players in the Rivals 150. One is from Grand Rapids and one is from Kalamazoo. None are ranked in the top 50.
The 2018 class has two in the Rivals 150. One from East Lansing and one from Belleville.
The best players in Detroit leave Detroit long before making a recruiting decision. Meanwhile Beilein has sent kids to the NBA from Ohio, Florida, Indiana, and Canada. Why would we focus recruiting efforts on a city that doesn't produce talent at a high level anymore?
|28 weeks 4 days ago||Pass/Fail||
I would recommend taking advantage of the pass/fail option. Makes pretty much any class easy if all you need is a C- and allows you to just enjoy it. Then take something interesting that you wouldn't otherwise take (no sense in wasting the tuition dough on something you don't care about just to get an A as a senior).
I took John Whittier-Ferguson's class on James Joyce (pretty sure he's still at UM) and it was interesting and also had a light workload. 2 or 3 short papers and the final was just reading Ulysses out loud in a big group (which does take a while, but you don't have to study for it). Also took a class on the writing/construction of the New Testament that was pretty interesting (I'm not religious at all). Getting the historical context for when things were written and why certain things were included or excluded from the canon was neat and with the pass/fail option I could just listen along without having to stress about it.
|28 weeks 4 days ago||Basketball||
They've made the tourney 4 of the last 5 years. Far and away their best stretch since the early 1960's. Probably doesn't get noticed because nobody really watches/covers Pac-12 basketball nationally.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||Trend||
Chatman started the year 2-16 from 3-point range. He then played very little the middle part of the season. From February on, he got more minutes and shot 7-15 in B1G games.
If he can consistently make the wide open threes he'll get as a 4 in this offense, he'll stay on the floor. Hopefully the latter part of the season is more indicative of what he can do going forward.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||1972||
Written and recorded by the late great Townes Van Zandt for his album "The Late Great Townes Van Zandt". Willie and Merle covered it in '83 and had a #1 country hit with it.
|30 weeks 4 days ago||Longtime struggle?||
Mike Montgomery made the tournament ten years in a row before leaving for the NBA, and that included a run to the Final Four as well as another Elite Eight run.
Johnson and Dawkins were not nearly as consistent, but both made runs to the Sweet 16. Dawkins also had some bad luck with the tourney committee. Three times his teams finished .500 or better in the Pac-12 but got sent to the NIT. And they won it twice.
|31 weeks 16 hours ago||None||
I've been to a number of NCAA events in basketball, hockey, and baseball, and nobody (myself excluded) goes to the other games. It seems insane to me that people pass up sitting around watching sporting events they've already paid for, but it definitely turns out I'm the crazy one because nobody does it.
The same has held true even for non-tournament events that are allowed to sell booze. SC/UCLA play baseball at Dodger Stadium every year while also hosting two out of town teams for kind of a round-robin weekend (the other two teams play at SC/UCLA Friday and Saturday, then play each other at Dodger Stadium before the SC/UCLA game). Last year TCU and Vanderbilt both had a decent turnout for their final game and virtually all of them were gone by the time SC and UCLA started.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Shooting bigs||
If some combination of Donnal, Wilson, Wagner, and/or Chatman (who made big strides hitting 7/15 down the stretch) can become a consistent weapon shooting the three, this offense can become much more dangerous. What is exciting to me about Wagner in this role is his length. When he went to the bucket against one of the Purdue bigs, he was able to get to the basket with just one dribble from behind the line. If people are closing out on him hard he can be a monster performer going forward.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||It is that simple||
This team lost at OSU and Wisconsin (not exactly shitty teams or the friendliest of environments) and to a bunch of teams ranked #32 or better in the RPI. We played a very tough schedule in an abnormally loaded B1G this year (just look at all the great seniors I mentioned in my previous post).
You're using words like "gagging" and "atrocious" because watching your favorite team lose hurts your feelings. I get it. But the fact remains that the team did about as well as anyone had a right to expect considering the guys we lost to injury and the guys who departed early (Stauskas, McGary, Robinson) when everyone else's star players from the same class seem to have stayed four years..
|31 weeks 5 days ago||MSU||
In 2012 they won 29 games and went to the Sweet Sixteen. In 2013 they won 27 games and went to the Sweet Sixteen. In 2014 they won 29 games and went to the Elite Eight.
It didn't stop us from being good in any of those years. Yes, they are going to continue to have a strong program, but it doesn't really impact Michigan's fortunes.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Why are we disappointed?||
If somebody told you we would lose Caris and Spike for the entire B1G season, but the team would still go 10-8 and make the tournament, wouldn't you have taken that deal in a heartbeat?
I really don't get all the hand-wringing. Yes, if we don't make the tournament next year, there might be a problem. But we bring back everybody and add a full recruiting class that addresses the size issue the current roster has and potentially introduces another playmaker into the offense. At a time when guys like Yogi, Valentine, Uthoff, Hammons, etc. are graduating across the conference.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Two games||
The at-large games always go second since people actually care about them. And the 16 seeds play at 3:30 west coast time. Any earlier and nobody sees that and people getting off work miss the late game.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Usually takes a while||
It actually can be quite a while before we get times for the first round games, but the First Four are set. M plays at roughly 9:10 ET, 30 minutes after Southern/Holy Cross finishes.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Login is required||
Only the games on CBS are free of charge.
Cut and pasted from Google Play download info:
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|32 weeks 1 day ago||D-II game doesn't hurt us||
It doesn't effect us in any way. And playing bad teams isn't the issue. It is just a goofy math equation that says beating Shithole State by 40 is somehow significantly worse than beating (or maybe even losing) to Way The Hell Below Average Tech.
Obviously we should try to game the system better, but the fact that the committee might use nonsense like that to keep us out (when other teams on the bubble have actually lost to teams with a 200+ RPI) would be ridiculous.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||RPI||
Our up to the second RPI appears to be 56. That puts us ahead of Butler and Temple, and only a few spots behind teams like USC (51), Pitt (52), etc.
Matrix has them all comfortably in the tournament. If we were talking about reading between the lines with a low RPI number I would be worried, but we are right in the mix there. Obviously we'd be a lock with just some wiggling of the RPI match problem (playing Eastern and Central, for example, as some have mentioned), but it isn't like the math is that big a detriment at this point. And we still have the best wins and the fewest bad losses on the bubble.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||You've got it||
That is exactly right, all games are streamed on cbssports.com but only the CBS broadcast games are free (and this year not even the final is on CBS, if I'm not mistaken). With a cable login you can watch all the games there though. Would loan you mine if I didn't need it (we split time between CA and AZ and have cable one spot and use the login at the other).
Also, this plan comes with the added benefit of being able to charge a bunch of porno to the person who loaned you their password (so yeah, you can't borrow mine).
|32 weeks 1 day ago||True for games on CBS||
Anything on TBS or Tru, etc. will require a login and a matching cable subscription.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Lot more games on cable now||
But you can watch them online with a cable provider password. I would just ask a friend/relative for their password for one-time use during the tourney if you're cool with watching on the computer screen.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||It usually happens anyway||
I just prefer to avoid missing 2-3 minutes of game action every time I blink and being asked to vacate the premises because of the horrible things I'm told I've shouted about Coach K's ethnic background.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Just the opposite||
I'm in Vegas every year and always hoping for a noon-3 start local time. Not so early that you have to sacrifice sleep, not so late that you end up shitfaced and out of it by tip-off.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Pretty crazy||
Considering it is now a 14 team league, and new addition Texas A&M is one of the two teams likely to make it in. Big time power shift has occurred in favor of the B1G and ACC, maybe even the Pac-12 with all the bids they are looking to pick up today and the resurgence at places like Cal, USC, Oregon St., and Utah.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Either way||
I'm going to get drunk in my underpants and then smack the old lady around no matter what happens. No need to prepare.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||SEC||
They only got three bids a few years ago (2013) when Kentucky famously lost in the first round of the NIT, despite a 12-6 league record.
UPDATE: Also got three in 2014. Last year got 5, but only 2 teams won their opening round game and only UK made the Sweet Sixteen.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Best part||
I particularly enjoy spending hours after the announcement of the bracket glued to my computer waiting for tip-off times to be announced, only to have them wait until Monday to tell us all when everybody actually plays.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||The media is not the committee||
I don't think public perception will have anything to do with what actually happens in the room. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but it would be a major fuck-up by the committee if this team was kept out.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Penn State, 2009||
They went 10-8, then won an opening round tourney game for 11 wins total.
On the flip-side though, Michigan and Minnesota both went 9-9 that same year and they both got in. And Penn State went on to win the NIT.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Not to mention||
I think the talent level at OSU is a little different than at similarly rated RPI schools like IUPU-Fort Wayne, UC Irvine, BYU, and Alabama. Games against them count the same in the math, but I don't think any of those programs are running out an entire lineup full of blue-chip recruits like the Buckeyes do.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||And on the other side||
Our worst loss is to #73. Our second worst loss is to #42. Both on the road, and to strong programs with lots of recent success nationally. On both ends of the resume we are the strongest team on the bubble. Really shouldn't be any doubt about our getting in unless the committee fucks things up.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Definitions||
You don't seem to know what words like "mediocre", "50/50 shot", or "fact" mean. No one is arguing about UM's chances to win it all. The comparison is between us and other teams on the bubble (ones you would also probably call mediocre, especially if they were playing Purdue yesterday, a team that also smoked Florida, Pitt, and Vanderbilt by double digits).
Michigan has a better resume than basically everybody on the bubble in terms of high quality wins (4 against the top-27 in RPI) and bad losses (one loss outside top-42, and that on the road against an OSU team loaded with 4+ star talent that went 11-7 in B1G and beat Kentucky).
You just want to keep bitching about this team like you've been doing all year. The butthurt cry-baby shit is getting old.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||And yet...||
Somehow they managed to have a better conference record, more elite wins, and fewer bad losses than just about every other team on the bubble.
I get that you like bitching and moaning about our basketball team (as so many seem to nowadays), but your feelingsball hot take is completely irrelevant to this conversation.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Bullshit||
He uses these numbers completely out of context with respect to the rest of the bubble. St. Mary's has two top-50 wins, both against #44 Gonzaga. Valparaiso has one. Wichita State has one. Florida, Pitt, Vanderbilt, and Monmouth all have two. Monmouth has one.
Our fourth best win is against #27 in the RPI. Our second worst loss is on the road against #42 WIsconsin. As for "barely surviving" against Northwestern, they lost one game in the non-conference (to North Carolina) and beat #89 Virginia Tech on the road (a team that has been knocking off a bunch of these bubble ACC teams in recent weeks). If the B1G wasn't such a beast this year, they would be a potential bubble team.
No league has seniors like Valentine, Ferrell, Hammons, Uthoff, etc. across the board. This is a very special year for this conference, and Michigan played a bunch of elite teams. Punishing them for not winning them all when everybody else on the bubble has fewer great wins and far more terrible losses would be ridiculous.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||RPI was an anchor||
We had a significantly lower RPI up until yesterday. But now with the IU win and a bunch of bubble teams losing to shit teams early in their conference tournament we're right in the mix. The bad math, which should have been ignored anyway, regarding the very bottom of the schedule hurt us, but that shouldn't be an issue any more. And when you look at the entire resume ours is the best by far of anyone remotely on the bubble (now that UCONN appears to have played their way in via their conference tourney).
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Indeed||
Our second worst loss all year in RPI terms is at #42 Wisconsin in the freaking Kohl Center. Nobody on the bubble can touch that. SC's second worst loss is against #85 Stanford. Butler's is against #99 Creighton. Cincinnati lost to #84 Houston, #61 Temple twice, and #57 Butler. Everybody else is much worse.
AND none of them have four wins as good as our best four. We are definitely in and not in a play-in game, unless the committee is on mushrooms.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Deleting posts||
With the way this board has become during basketball season (and really since basketball recruiting season last year) I've found it much healthier not to engage. Screaming at the screen and composing 80 page profanity laced manifestos that I delete when sober has proved a far more sane existence. And everything is peachy on the football front so not really much to chat about.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Would be nonsense||
Syracuse has a shitty record overall. While they have some good wins (5 in the top-50 to our 4), they also have losses to #104 Georgetown, #245 St. John's, #128 Clemson, #79 Florida State, and they lost three freaking times to #52 Pitt (including in their ACC tourney opener). And their RPI is 71.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Should be 100%||
Going by the most current RPI data at the moment, we have wins over #14 Purdue, #15 Maryland, #23 Indiana (on a "neutral" court), and #27 Texas (again, on a neutral court). Our worst loss is @OSU (#73, and a team loaded with 4+ star talent). And we just made the semifinals of the B1G tournament.
USC lost to #99 Arizona State and got blown out by #84 Stanford. Their best win is against #26 Arizona and fourth best is against #43 Yale. Best win away from home is #47 Wichita State (who had multiple injuries at the time). They made the quarterfinals of the Pac-12 tournament.
Valparaiso has one top-50 win against #35 Oregon State. They lost 4 times to teams outside the top-100. They lost their opening game in their conference tournament as well.
St. Mary's has two top-50 wins against #46 Gonzaga. They lost twice to 100+ RPI Pepperdine.
Vanderbilt has two top-50 wins against #12 Kentucky and #18 Texas A&M. They have three 100+ RPI losses, a few more worse than OSU, and just lost to #144 Tennessee in the opening round of the SEC tournament.
South Carolina has one top-50 win and three losses to teams with 100+ RPI (one of those to a team ranked in the 200's). They just lost in the SEC quarterfinals to #63 Georgia.
Temple has some good wins, but a 200+ RPI loss and another 100+ RPI loss. For all the bitching about Beilein scheduling, 13 of their wins came against 200+ RPI teams as well (we had 9).
St. Bonaventure has three top-50 wins, and three 100+ losses including one to a 200+ RPI team.
Monmouth has two top-50 wins (a split with #50 USC and over #33 Notre Dame). They also have three losses to teams with a 200+ RPI.
Florida has two top-50 wins and two 100+ losses.
So does Pitt.
Syracuse has an RPI of 70 now and just lost to Pitt in the opening round of the ACC tournament.
And it isn't like our RPI is currently that big a liability. We're at 56 right now and snuggled in with a bunch of bubble teams. Those teams clearly could not have compiled the same record we did if they had played the same schedule. If we don't get in when resumes actually get looked at, it would be completely outrageous.
|32 weeks 3 days ago||Chapman University||
Home of lax legend Con Bro Chill!
|32 weeks 4 days ago||Committee and RPI||
Really depends on the guys in the room and how closely they adhere to the math. A team like Texas Tech just lost to a team with an RPI above 180 and finished 9-10 in the Big 12. But the math says they are solidly in. Meanwhile we have a bunch of wins against teams ranked in the low 100's that don't look as good as wins against teams in the 80's and 90's.
Other teams on the bubble lack the quality wins we have and have bad losses. St. Mary's lost to Pepperdine twice (100+ RPI) and their only top-50 wins are against #47 Gonzaga (went 2-1 against them). VCU has top-50 wins over St. Bonaventure and St. Joe's, and two losses to teams ranked 150+. Akron doesn't have a top-50 win, and has 6 losses to teams ranked 100+. Providence has a couple of good wins (Arizona and a split with Villanova) but three losses to teams ranked 100+. Wichita State has one top-50 win (Utah). UNC Wilmington didn't play a top-50 team and has 5 losses to teams ranked 100+. Princeton has one top-100 win. So does Yale (they split their games with each other). Pitt has top-50 wins over Duke and Notre Dame (#37), but two losses to teams ranked 100+
Yet the RPI math puts all of these teams comfortably ahead of Michigan.
3 top-25 wins over major conference programs (Maryland, Purdue, Texas), and a worst loss on the road against a team ranked #76 (and loaded with blue-chip talent) seems hard to ignore, but the numbers don't help us.
|32 weeks 6 days ago||I get it||
You're a pissed off cry-baby who wants to complain about our basketball team.
But there is no bubble team whose THIRD best win is against the #24 team in the country. There is no bubble team that doesn't have a loss to anyone ranked lower than #76 in the RPI (and is a team loaded with blue-chip talent). We hit both of those measures.
If you want to bitch about scheduling teams ranked 300 as opposed to teams ranked 200, then fine. Otherwise, our team has a solid resume, and they did it without the leading scorer/rebounder/assist man on the roster and their only two seniors.
Bitching about this team's performance is still really fucking dumb.
|32 weeks 6 days ago||RPI is fucked up this year||
William&Mary is currently one spot ahead of us. They have the same record, beat one team in the top-100, lost twice to teams ranked 150-200, and lost twice to teams with 200+ rankings.
There are a number of WTF examples like that throughout the RPI rankings (Davidson at #63 is another one).
Fact is, our worst loss all year is at #76 OSU (a team that still went 11-7 in the B1G and who we didn't get a return leg against, and a team with 4 and 5 star guys throughout the entire starting lineup). Our worst home loss is to #23 Iowa. We have wins over #12 Maryland, #16 Purdue, and #24 Texas (on a neutral floor).
I think we have to beat Northwestern, but the idea that this team should have done much more to earn a bubble bid seems fucking bonkers, and is only the result of goofy RPI math based on the bottom of the schedule.
|33 weeks 6 hours ago||Beat them twice, actually||
Since when is "not being a dumbass" considered a knee jerk reaction?
|36 weeks 2 days ago||Price||
Not sure where you're buying, but just checked my local booze emporium and a handle of Tito's ($30) is more than double the cost of Svedka ($14).
If you're going cheap (which I always do since I never drink it straight), Pinnacle ($17 for 1.75 liter, French), Burnett's ($11, American), and Tobaritch ($20, Russian) are also good calls.
|36 weeks 2 days ago||Fun facts||
Hammons, Haas, and Swanigan combined for 1 offensive rebound between them. They grabbed 13 rebounds total. Walton, LeVert (in limited minutes), and MAAR grabbed 16 (MAAR had 3 offensive boards on his own).
Great dirty work from Irvin and the bigs and fantastic effort from the guards to attack and secure the ball.
|37 weeks 2 days ago||Rams comparison||
The big similarity there is Jamie Vardy. The guy was playing non-league football (5th tier of English football or below) until his mid-20's (in a sport where top guys often break into an elite side in their teens) and didn't appear in a top-division game until last season. He's now the leading scorer in the EPL at 29. It's an insane, once in a lifetime type of story going on there right now.
|37 weeks 3 days ago||Didn't try||
Haden basically didn't conduct a search at all. And the last one he did resulted in choosing Sark over Petersen, so not sure it would've mattered this time.
You only need to drink at McKay's for a short while to realize what a weird, insulated world the SC athletic department is. Pat had enough gladhanding douches in his circle to feel great about things on a constant basis, even when anyone with any perspective would see plenty of signs for alarm. Or to freak out and make spur of the moment decisions with lasting repercussions when those people seem pissed (firing Kiffin on the bus, dumping Coach O in favor of Sark's magic beans, but then giving Helton a 5 year deal on the basis of one game against a mediocre UCLA team, etc.).
On the flip side, he did a great job with facilities upgrades and hiring Enfield is looking like a pretty slick move.
|37 weeks 3 days ago||Improvement||
At least that would be better than Drunk Hoke. Baby steps...
|37 weeks 4 days ago||Cherry Coke Zero||
The fucking bee's knees.
|37 weeks 5 days ago||Crazy||
Next year Wheatley, Eubanks, McKeon, and Asiasi will be competing to be the #4 tight end on the team. And that guy will still get a chance to see the field and make plays.
When you factor in Harbaugh's ability to get the most out of guys (Williams finally catching balls this year, Houma finally carrying the rock, Chesson scoring on end arounds and kickoffs rather than watching Funchess and Norfleet do it unsuccessfully, etc.), you get people excited and seeing potential in all of these guys.
|38 weeks 6 hours ago||Yup||
IIRC, you're a UCLA fan and/or season ticket holder? But I think you're right on the money here. Mora is in a fantastic position and can wait for his spot if he ever wants to go to the NFL. Bruins had a ton of injuries this year and still had a pretty good season. And expectations are never what they are across town, so 9+ wins is going to keep him on NFL radars permanently, especially with his pedigree in the league.
People joke about Carroll leaving USC, but he did so after 9 years and with personnel control and one of the highest coaching salaries in the NFL. Then won a Super Bowl and went to another. The NFL is about talent and if Mora can pick his spot he will do very well if/when he makes the jump. But he ain't in no hurry to give up what he's got unless the deal is too good to pass up (as it was for Carroll).
|38 weeks 6 hours ago||Grammar police||
You misspelled "Titty Bar"
|38 weeks 8 hours ago||Not a thing||
Both schools will admit him if he meets the NCAA minimum standards. If there is doubt about whether he will meet those standards, SC may have less of a numbers crunch this year and be willing to take a chance (sign him up and if he doesn't enroll deal with it or hope he'll come back eventually after some juco time).
|40 weeks 18 hours ago||Facts||
6 of the top 10 leaders in innings pitched came from the NL last year, and 10 of the top 20. The idea that the DH makes it more likely that good pitchers will be taken out of games doesn't correlate with reality in practice.
|40 weeks 18 hours ago||More popular with fans||
The Dodgers, Cardinals, Giants (top 3 teams in attendance last year), Cubs, etc. have no shortage of fans. The DH, lack of scoring, length of games, etc. are things people who aren't fans use to criticize the sport or justify their own lack of interest. Catering to people who already don't have an interest in baseball is a futile effort.
Catering to people who aren't fans already is how you end up with a glowing blue ball around a hockey puck on TV. That really drove up the ratings for the NHL didn't it? Soccer has grown in America as more people have access to seeing it played at its highest levels and embracing the sport as it is, not by allowing the players to pick up the ball or turning games into 25-21 shootouts as dumbass old sportswriters often suggest.
Baseball is doing fine. Changing the DH rule in the NL is only going to piss off actual fans, not add any new ones.
|40 weeks 2 days ago||Hyperbole||
Ole MIss finished #14 in the AP poll in 2008 and #21 in 2009. They had two shitty seasons under Nutt before Freeze showed up, and he won 7 games in year one. Calling that a tire fire (especially considering the competition in the SEC west at the time) is a pretty big leap.
They also haven't been recruiting at "Saban levels". Last year's class ranked #21 on Rivals (between Arizona State and Michigan State). The 2014 class ranked #19 (MSU was #22). The 2013 class ranked 7th, but the one before was 40th.
Saban had the #1 class in 2012, 2013, 2014, and was #2 behind USC in 2015. So yeah, they aren't really close at all.
|40 weeks 2 days ago||Nowhere near Mississippi||
Since Freeze has been there, all of their 4-star or higher guys on Rivals have been from the southeast except for two guys from Texas (and two more from Texas in the current class) and Treadwell.
Outside of one guy, they are getting people from the SEC footprint, not luring blue-chip kids from the backyard of OSU or USC. They are getting guys who live within driving distance of Oxford for the most part.
|40 weeks 2 days ago||Gradual improvement and history||
Johnny Vaught won 75% of his games over a 20+ year period in the 50's and 60's, so there is history there. He won the Sugar Bowl 5 times and the Cotton Bowl once, in addition to finishing in the top-10 of the AP poll ten times.
Starting in the mid-90's they've been on a decent upward trajectory. Tuberville took them to bowl games that they won in each of his last two years. Cutcliffe started with 5 straight winning seasons and added three more bowl wins, before getting fired after one bad year. And Houston Nutt won the Cotton Bowl twice before back to back losing seasons got him replaced by Freeze.
So it isn't like they've sucked of late, and they do have a pretty elite run under Vaught to point to as the gold standard. Throw in the nice campus, the fact that recruiting rankings skew toward the SEC (all the other teams are having highly rated classes too, so it isn't like Ole MIss is an outlier). Since Freeze has won 7-8-9-10 games in his four years, they should be able to keep the ball rolling somewhat.
|40 weeks 4 days ago||Warren||
He got a 3rd round grade and was already an all-conference player. Problem was he showed up injured (ankle) at the combine and ran a shitty 40 time so nobody wanted to take a chance on him.
Shazor was a consensus All-American and one of three finalists for the Thorpe Award (along with future Pro Bowlers Antrel Rolle and Carlos Rogers). People watching college football failed to realize he played more like a linebacker than an NFL safety, but you can see why he would've assumed he'd at least be drafted.
|40 weeks 5 days ago||So...||
All I have to do is be on Elaine's Christmas card list?
|40 weeks 6 days ago||Facts||
How long does it take to drive to Dodger Stadium (from any random point in the city) at 6:30? Though I'm sure the owners of a team with the highest attendance in MLB are pissed that some may stop buying concessions after the 7th inning. As for "ditching" the Lakers, they have the #11 attendance in the NBA (despite having the 2nd worst record in the NBA). If you look at StubHub, tickets for Sunday's game against the Rockets start at $70 (plus fees). When the Rockets play the Clippers the following night, tickets start at $19 (plus fees). You can't buy a nosebleed seat to a Laker game all year on StubHub for under $50 (and nose bleed seats at Staples Center are atrociously bad).
USC was 18th in CFB attendance this year and UCLA was 22nd. Both had fairly mediocre seasons. And I don't know about UCLA, but SC has been quite willing in recent years to sell fewer tickets if it means keeping prices high (in fact their planned renovation of the Coliseum will reduce capacity by about 15,000 seats to somewhere between 75,000 and 80,000). I won't bring up how difficult it is to drive in and out of both venues on game day, since I'm sure in your 17 years in LA you've made that trek at least once.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||Winning||
MSU has made the tourney 18 years in a row. Half of those years (9 times) they've made the Elite Eight. 7 times they've gone to the Final Four.
Wisconsin has made the tourney 17 years in a row and won a game 13 of those times.
IU has insane history, no football or hockey success to distract from basketball, and even Mike Davis (title game appearance) and Tom Crean (two Sweet 16's) have had at least some success there.
Michigan didn't make the tourney for over a decade. Beilein has done a tremendous job, but has missed the tourney twice since we got the ball rolling in 2009. We've made it to the second weekend of the tournament twice in the last 20 years (compared to Izzo's 13 Sweet 16 appearances).
It isn't about fans. It is about history and success. College freshmen weren't conscious beings the last time MSU or Wisconsin missed the tourney. Conversely, a kid who enrolled at Michigan in 1998 had to wait until nearly his 30's to experience a trip to the big dance (a trips that was emphatically ended by Blake Griffin).
We're getting there, but other programs currently have a leg up. It looks like Wiscy's run may be ending. Hopefully a similar fate can befall the folks in East Lansing before too long.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||Roof||
It won't make things any hotter (not that LA weather is ever really "hot"), and will allow the venue to host indoor events like the Final Four. This "roof" will also be able to project ads/video to everyone flying into LAX, which will produce a nice chunk of ad revenue, which is just part of the reason Kroenke is willing to build a stadium on his own in LA rather than accept public money in St. Louis, and why other NFL owners are happy to let him do it.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||Post NIT run?||
Even that seems like glory days stuff. My last year with student tickets was 2002-03 (team that started like shit, then played all the freshmen and went 10-6 in B1G but was ineligible for post-season). All the season tickets were GA as far as I remember and if you showed up a half hour early (I usually did because of my Marine dad and OCD) you could pretty much run around on the court doing cartwheels and nobody would stop you (I usually didn't because of my Marine dad and OCD).
|40 weeks 6 days ago||How far we've come||
Just be glad students are willing to sit in the upper deck. I remember a few seasons where I probably could have gotten some playing time in the actual game with just an MDen purchase, a little hair gel, and some Gavin Groninger-esque temporary tattoos.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||On the same page||
I replied above as well, and I think most of those LA/OC "fans" Spanos and Fabiani trumpeted to justify their move to LA aren't really "fans" at all, but rather ticket brokers, people who casually buy tickets for a year or two and then realize it isn't worth the effort to travel down to SD 8 Sundays every fall, and maybe a few deranged football fanatics who just want to see NFL games and the Chargers are the only remotely feasible game in town. Maybe as an alternative to the Raiders in Carson the Chargers could have developed an LA fanbase (Raiders have lots of fans but also lots who would never become fans). As an alternative to the Rams there really isn't any alternative. One is an historic LA franchise and one isn't.
Rams always had the best plan, Chargers had the most to lose, and Raiders had the least to go back to.
NFL went with the best plan, and I think Spanos was surprised what he thought were longstanding personal connections didn't mean shit when it came to an anonymous vote with billions of bucks on the line.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||Chargers number||
Having talked to a handful of former season ticket holders in very southern OC, I would like to know how many of those supposed customers are really just ticket brokers. Or football fanatics going simply because there is no other NFL option.
That 25% number was used by Spanos and Co. to justify moving, but they only brought it up after Kroenke was ready to actually come to LA. I really think the Chargers actions have been about protecting a low-investment business model that worked when there wasn't another pro football team within 300 miles.
Now that that ship has sailed, I think you'll see Spanos attempt to mend fences and embrace SD. Playing second fiddle in LA can't appeal, and he doesn't have the money to be a true equity partner with Kroenke (especially post relocation fee). He better step up in SD and has to be hoping a deal can get done in Oakland for the Raiders.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||Based on...||
Last year the Dodgers led MLB in attendance and the Angels were 5th (Bay Area teams were 3rd and 27th, NY teams were 4th and 12th, Chicago were 6th and 26th, Beltway teams were 11th and 19th). Kings and Ducks were at 100.2 and 98.3 percent of capacity last year (attendance and capacity were higher than the NY teams and no other market has multiple NHL franchises). The Lakers and Clippers essentially sell out every night, with both averaging 19,000 fans. Nobody gives a fuck about the Clppers and they draw more than 2/3 of the NBA. In the same building as the Lakers. The Nets are 28th in attendance.
LA was a town without a legit stadium because of politics surrounding the Coliseum and a pair of shitty owners shopping for a sweetheart deal (Georgia and Al). Those deals got them tarped upper decks in Oakland and a ditched dome in St. Louis.
Now that an actually well to do owner is building the finest sporting venue on the planet, I think Angelenos will be more than happy to turn up and watch the nation's most popular sport in person.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||Chargers aren't moving||
If they were they would be doing so right now. They wanted to stop the Rams from entering the SoCal market (which allows the Chargers to sell out at high prices even with a shitty stadium because fans of midwest and east coast teams will pay a premium when their favorite team visits every 4-5 years). They failed to do so. Now they will use their option as leverage to get as much public money in SD as possible.
Raiders may end up in LA if Oakland can't get things together, but the Chargers will now make a deal in SD. They have no desire to play second fiddle to the Rams, a year or more behind schedule, playing God knows where (Coliseum can host one, Rose Bowl is out, and nobody else is lining up to be an NFL venue before 2019).
|40 weeks 6 days ago||Privately funded||
Kroenke is paying for the stadium himself without any public funding. The Chargers/Raiders proposed Carson project was also going to be 100% privately funded. The Rams turned down public money in St. Louis.
You are shouting at spirits.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||Politics||
Fabiani's comments all stem from the Chargers business position, which is all about blocking the Rams (or anyone else) from moving to LA, not about the situation in San Diego. And it makes sense. If you track StubHub, the Chargers had far higher ticket prices than the Raiders or Rams this year, despite a shitty stadium and a team planning to leave town. Why? Because Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, and PIttsburgh came to town (in addition to the division rivals, especially the Raiders). Every transplant fan in southern California is going to make an effort to go, especially when his team only comes a few times a decade. Tickets to the Steelers game were going for close to $200 bucks, even in the upper deck, on the secondary market. If the Steelers played regularly in LA, maybe even twice as often, nobody would drive down to San Diego or pay those crazy prices. The Chargers spokespeople regularly talked about how much business of theirs is generated from counties north of LA as justification for moving, but really it was about fear of losing that business that has nothing to do with the Chargers at all and everything to do with them being the only NFL game within 300 miles.
Spanos has benefitted from an empty LA market for 20 years. When Kroenke took real steps to move, he plead poverty and tried to form an alternate plan. When money trumped his assumed personal connections with other owners, he didn't jump to join the Rams in Inglewood.
My guess is the option will be used as leverage and SD will build a stadium (they weren't that far away from a legit proposal if the Chargers hadn't abandoned the bargaining table). Spanos doesn't want to play second fiddle in LA. He just didn't want Kroenke horning in on his non local fan business.
|40 weeks 6 days ago||Tails never fails||
I'll fill out the tax forms and Hackett can put the check for my consulting fee in the mail.
|43 weeks 4 days ago||Scott||
He was more recent. Committed in the early days of Hawkins' tenure, largely because his uncle was on the team at CU. Played less than expected as a freshman, his uncle transferred to UCLA, so he ended up leaving too and landed at USF. Sat out a year then had an 800+ yard season, immediately went pro only to go undrafted and end up quickly out of football.
|43 weeks 5 days ago||Marcus Houston||
Ton of hype, played sparingly as other guys had a lot of success (he was there when they had the big upsets of Nebraska and Texas to win the Big 12 when Nebraska still ended up in the national title game because of the BCS computers). RB coach called him by a girl's name and he eventually transferred to CSU.
According to a buddy of mine who went to CU, he also put on some entertaining in-class presentations where he was somehow able to relate any important literary or historical figure/event to rap stars of the day.
EDIT: And it was 15 years ago, not 10. OP is old.
|43 weeks 5 days ago||Better deal for most||
Alabama had seven guys drafted last year. At least one didn't make a team and appears to be out of the league already. They signed 25 new recruits to replace their departures.
Average salary in the CFL is about $80K and in the Arena League it is under $50K and most guys have a second job (with the same short average span as the NFL).
For the overwhelming majority of college football players, getting a free education and room&board (plus the perks mentioned in the article as well as the increased name recognition and the job opportunities that can come with that) ends up being a vastly superior deal to what they would receive on the open market, even at the supposed football factories.
|44 weeks 2 days ago||Pac-12||
The conference always has a shitty bowl slate because fans just aren't going to travel from their (mostly) nice west coast locations for mediocre football games. Wazzu is playing Miami, but they have to go to El Paso to do it (though that may actually be an upgrade over Pullman). Washington is playing a game in the Cotton Bowl that isn't the Cotton Bowl against Southern Miss. Cal is playing Air Force in Ft. Worth.
Considering the alternatives, playing a historic rival (they have played a bunch over the years and are neighboring states) at a game people can still drive to isn't the worst possible outcome for a 6-6 team.
|44 weeks 3 days ago||RB||
You are underselling Toby Gerhart quite a bit. He was the most prolific rusher in CA high school history, and rushed for 140 yards in the opener in 2007 before injuring his leg and missing the rest of the season. Then he put up 1,100+ yards and 15 TD in 2008 and over 1,800 with 28 TD in 2009. Dude was a beast and much better than what we've seen so far at the position here.
|44 weeks 4 days ago||Pizza rolls||
Another interesting one to check out is Belated Media's "What if the prequels were good?" (just released the one for Episode 3 this week). Basically works from the premise of an exec at Fox getting Lucas's original script and tinkering with it rather than just rubber stamping everything. Doesn't solve the CGI and lazy directing elements, but it does present a story that is at least compelling and logical.
If you like it leave a comment on this webzone.
|44 weeks 5 days ago||Recruiting||
In addition to Manziel, Sherman left behind a team that in Sumlin's first year had Christine Michael (#62 overall pick at RB), Ryan Swope (6th round at WR), Luke Joechel (#2 overall pick at T), Mike Evans (#7 overall pick a year later at WR), and Jake Matthews (#6 overall pick a year later at T).
Manziel got all the hype/credit but he played on a ridiculously talented offense, especially in his Heisman season.
|45 weeks 5 days ago||This||
It is more of an advertisement than an actual profit-seeking store. There a few areas like this around the country now where actual businesses are priced out and essentially replaced by 3-D, interactive billboards for mega-chains.
|46 weeks 1 day ago||The roster||
USC basically has a 1-deep on the defensive line followed by nothing but true freshmen. They are down to 3rd and 4th string guys at LB, and the 1st string guys are true freshmen (both Cameron Smith and Osa Masina are out with injury). And feel free to remind me what teams do great against high powered offenses (I know we got our dicks knocked in the dirt against OSU recently).
Wilcox shouldn't be hired at Michigan, but there is zero chance you actually looked at the USC roster, and if you did you probably don't know much about how football works.
|47 weeks 4 hours ago||4 different coaches||
5 national titles in less than twenty years. And Butch Davis could have made it a fifth different coach if the BCS system hadn't been so fucked up (#2 in AP and Coaches poll in 2000 but did not get a chance to play for the national title).
And they did it with the same shitty facilities and lukewarm fan support.
|47 weeks 5 hours ago||Athletic department||
Being an alum gives you priority points with the athletic department with respect to season tickets. Being an alumni association member gives you nothing in that regard. You do get access to some individual game tickets, but they are usually ones that would be widely available on the secondary market for less (loads of people try to get OSU or MSU tickets through the alumni association and end up with nothing or tickets to the UNLV's of the world).
|47 weeks 5 hours ago||"by virtue of earning your stripes"||
This really isn't the case. Anyone can join the Alumni Association for the exact same price as someone who attended and/or graduated from UM. The Alumni Association is a business that will take anyone's money, not an exclusive benefit for Michigan graduates.
|47 weeks 18 hours ago||Yup||
Don't know about OP's memory, but the loss to Oregon was by 20 points, not a field goal. SC looked clueless on defense the entire game, and that was just last week. Other wins came against Arizona (by 8), Cal (by 6), and Colorado (by 3). UCLA is not that good this year and dealt with quite a few injuries on D. The game swung on a punt return and a defensive TD, then a true freshman QB had trouble trying to orchestrate a big comeback. It wasn't exactly a dominating win or a victory over a great opponent (Bruins lost 4 league games, didn't have to play Oregon, and just squeaked by BYU in their only OOC test).
Not exactly murderer's row or great performances. At least make him prove something against Stanford and a bowl opponent.
|47 weeks 18 hours ago||My question||
Would Miami, Georgia, Va. Tech, or any of the other open programs even consider hiring Helton?
Why should USC?
Everybody seems to like Clay personally and you have to feel good for him, but this is a weak move. And making it permanent before the Pac-12 title game and a bowl game seems like jumping the gun.
|47 weeks 1 day ago||Florida beat Ole Miss||
The game wasn't close (38-10). You can't just announce that one team is better when they got their ass kicked by the supposedly weaker squad, not to mention losing games to Memphis and Arkansas.
|47 weeks 5 days ago||Blocking or opponent?||
I don't know if the second-half struggles in the run game have much to do with the blocking. Teams are really loading up the box to stop the run and a lot of our passing success has come from heavy looking formations.
Teams are making a tradeoff and getting burned by screens, end-arounds, and (now) downfield throws for big chunks of yardage on a regular basis. As long as they're downing the poison on a regular basis, does it really matter what flavor they pick?
I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Smith have a big day on Saturday, as OSU is a team that is more likely to play us straight up, protect against big plays, and assume they can win on talent.
|47 weeks 5 days ago||Pass rush and playmaking||
The optimism about the d-line was really fueld by a belief in Hoke's recruiting and name recognition rather than actual production. We lost our top 3 guys in TFL (Ryan, Clark, and Beyer) from 2014 as well.
The guys on this year's team have made huge leaps across the board. Wormley went from 5 TFL to 12. Henry from 5.5 to 10. Glasgow from 4 to 5 (in three fewer games). Ojemudia went from 7.5 to 6 (but in 6 fewer games). Charlton from 5.5 to 7.5. Hurst from 1 to 6.5. And Jenkins-Stone went from 0 to 5.
To have that many guys lift their production by that much isn't something you can realistically expect coming into a season.
But the answer to the original question is Chesson. He had been on campus three years and scored one TD. He has 10 this year. His longest reception a year ago was for 28 yards. This year he has a reception for over 60, a rush for over 60 (Hoke only gave him the ball for 2 carries when he was here when clearly he is a huge weapon on reverses and end-arounds), and he's run back a kickoff for a TD.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||2013||
Rawls never really played in 2013 (3 carries all year). He backed up Fitz and later Denard as a sophomore in 2012 when he posted 242 yards on 57 carries (4.2 avg.) and 4 TD.
Rawls wasn't a guy who got a ton of opportunities and failed to perform. He got benched after his sophomore year (legal trouble may have had something to do with it or coaching staff preference for Green and Smith) and then transferred a year later. If there is a criticism to be made it has nothing to do with his instruction but rather with the decision to give him the ball or not.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Next two weeks are huge||
Beat NU, and the MSU game is going to get a ton of hype and has a good shot to be the choice for Gameday (A&M/Bama, LSU/Florida, and ND/USC are only other real choices, and at least 2 of those will be on rival networks).
Win that one and we shoot up the polls and have a very favorable schedule until the OSU game. We'd be in the news every week on the way to 10-1 and a collosal showdown with a team that won't have more than one loss either.
Quite a turnaround from a year ago.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Interesting||
Hadn't really thought about that spring semester thing, but that may explain why Harbaugh "allegedly" wanted Pipkins to medical even though he was a senior eligibility wise and his scholarship couldn't be used to help out during the season.
Right now we're at 82 with former walk-ons included. Will be interesting to see how many current seniors pursue pro football and if any potential attrition announcements are made in January to free up spots for guys enrolling early.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Some reasons||
Not sure when that article came out (before or after the visit), and there may be others down the road or from earlier where he seems less sure (recruits can be finicky, especially in soundbytes).
Even still, this is a kid from FL (a place we want to establish a presence), with a high school teammate who is a freshman at UM (Reuben Jones, who was committed to Nebraska when he visited). You can't get any of these kids without getting a visit, and you never know what is going to happen (does Sark's seat get hotter at SC, do they start looking at someone else, does the kid just have a change of heart, etc.).
And even if he doesn't end up here, there is a lot of good that can come from putting on good visits and making a positive impression. If his high school coach is talking up the experience the kid had at UM to other coaches, or the kid tells teammates or guys he plays against or guys he camps with that UM is a cool place, that sort of thing snowballs and more and more kids become an option, even in Florida.
Making a good impression is never a bad thing in recruiting.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Seems weird||
You can only count three early enrollees toward the prior class with respect to the 25/year limit, but I've never heard of any cap on the total number you can actually bring in. I know USC had 7 guys enroll early this past spring. And functionally, it is hard to find that many guys in a class who are even eligible to do it (I remember Shane wanted to but couldn't because of the way his high school structured its curriculum).
Have to think something else is going on there, though it could be as innocent as not thinking he will be able academically to come to Michigan in the middle of his senior year.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Not true, actually||
We didn't have NU on the schedule in 2009 or 2010. Only game RR coached against them was the freezefest loss in his first year.
Hoke's first year they were outplaying us at the half, then the offense ramped up with some deep balls and we got two turnovers (only time we really stopped them) and ended up winning by a wider margin than they probably deserved.
After that we had pretty much the craziest three game run (especially in terms of finishes) I can remember against anybody. 2012 we got the ball with 18 seconds left and down by three. Gardner hit the crazy juggling-catch bomb to Roundtree for 50+ yards, and we kicked a game tying field goal, then won in OT. 2013 we hit the Dileo slide 44 yard field goal with no time left to tie it at 9-9 and force OT, then win the game in the third OT period. 2014 they score with three seconds left to make it 10-9, then go for two and the win and fail to convert.
Hopefully this one isn't close, because they have to be due for some luck against us.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||At least there is a weather emergency||
Indiana basically sold a home game in 2010 and played Penn State in the Washington Redskins home stadium. PSU fans outnumbered IU folks something like 10-1 and the Hoosiers just cashed a big check.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Hope you're right||
It would be great to have him as a high quality player down the line. We potentially have a pretty big hole in the safety depth chart coming down the road thanks to our recent small classes, especially if Peppers leaves early.
But you still seem to be judging a guy's ability based on his recruiting profile. Clark is a 4th year guy, he's 6'4" with decent speed (especially for his size) and had seen the field quite a bit before this season. It doesn't take any extra coaching to make guys like him, Kovacs or the Glasgow brothers into good players, and it doesn't take screw-ups to get less production from guys like Pipkins and Marvin Robinson. Some times the recruiting gurus are the ones who screw up.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||I guess||
Except Gardner was a freshman who only played because Tate was a knucklehead and Denard got hurt, and the roster was set up in a way where it looked like he was definitely going to be the starting QB at some point in his career. Thomas is a junior and isn't getting on the field ahead of guys like Clark and Hill (guys who are also juniors) at the moment. And you still need a documented injury.
The idea that he is suddenly going to get really good with more time seems like wishful thinking based on his recruiting profile.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||More of a numbers game||
Even if our DL whips their ass, they are going to play with more two-back and/or two-TE looks than BYU did. As a result, our linebackers will probably at least have to put on their equipment and trot on the field from time to time, something they really didn't have to bother with in this game (outside of Morgan).
|1 year 3 weeks ago||No||
Thomas has already played this year. Unless he picks up a season ending injury right about now he will not be redshirting.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||When?||
You say he didn't perform well, but that just isn't the case. He never really played here at all. The last time he saw the field at UM was as a true sophomore backing up an incumbent 1,000 yard rusher. He had some good moments (90 yard game against Illinois) and decent if not great numbers (4.2 ypc and 4 TD). By midseason he was pretty much in a direct competition with Fitz for the starting job until Denard came back and put up multiple 100 yard games to close out the year at RB.
Then he didn't play at all a year later. Then he transferred.
You can argue he should have played more or that more should have been done to discourage his transfer. But you can't argue that he failed as a Michigan player because he really wasn't one for very long, at least in terms of getting a legit shot on the field. I don't get the people acting like he started for 2-3 years and played like shit. That just did not happen.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Not the issue||
Rawls left because in 2013 he was behind Fitz AND Green AND Smith. Fitz (who put up nearly 2,600 yards of offense and scored 30 TD at UM, despite battling injury and playing behind a horrendous offensive line as a senior, and is still on the Steelers practice squad in the NFL) isn't the guy to blame for anything that has ever been wrong with Michigan football.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Green and Smith||
I'll try to add some facts instead of making awful, dumbass statements like "he was trash at UM."
As a sophomore in 2012 Rawls got into the mix behind Fitz and produced 242 yards on 57 carries and scored 4 TD.
Then Hoke signed Green and Smith, and for whatever reason Rawls was buried on the depth chart in 2013 (he only got 3 carries against CMU all year while Green got 83 and Smith got 26 behind Fitz). He then transferred to CMU and went for 1,100+ yards and 10 TD in 2014.
Smith is starting to look like a player this year, so not sure if at the end of the day Rawls will look like the better option between those two. If there's an accusation to make, maybe it is buying the 5-star hype on Green and giving him every chance to fail rather than having faith in a guy like Rawls (or even Smith who is outperforming Green now), but even that assumes there were no other issues (behavior, grades, learning the playbook, etc.) that we don't know about.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Not to mention||
One of their very few successful plays saw a ball go right through a DB's hands only to be caught by the receiver (who was promptly crushed). Also probably could have picked up one of those botched snaps with a little better luck.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||Made creole shrimp||
Finished a jug of Bella Serra with the gal, now moving on to Tobaritch vodka and whatever mixers I can find lying around the house.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||Fellow Hall of Famer||
I'm voting for him just so he can pardon Snuka.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||Just make a reservation||
Kick time should be announced a week or two ahead of the game, so you would most likely have ample time to cancel if you end up not needing a hotel room.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||When this all went down||
I remember people defending Brandon when UM and OSU ended up in different divisions on the grounds that there were a lot of parties at the negotiating table and we couldn't just expect to get everything we wanted when entering into negotiations with Northwestern and Purdue.
I remember saying Brandon either sucked at his job or didn't actually want what we wanted (and what made sense for preserving the importance of the rivalry). Apparently both were true.
Fuck Dave Brandon.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Seen very little||
Never got into the masked stuff, really. Was always more of an NWA fan in the old days, started to dip my toe in the ECW waters through Terry Funk (his '89 feud with Flair is still probably my favorite thing as a fan) and around the same time bailed on WCW when they basically killed off the Horsemen and put everybody and his mother in the NWO (then had to split the NWO because it was too big, then had Russo bury the company).
So every once in a while I try to see if there is a viable alternative/rival to WWE. I've got my eggs in the NXT basket for now, and hopefully Vince is listening and can make it into a legit competitor. Can't imagine it would be bad for business if he could create something like the Monday Night Wars under one roof.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Doubt it would take much push||
I was mildly intrigued by the idea of Global Force but when they immediately partnered up with Dixie I knew that shit was going nowhere. Can't imagine it would take much to sign those guys. WWE could probably scoop up the Wolves pretty easily as well.
They just don't seem to prioritize the division at all anymore. They had to bring the New Age Outlaws back from the scrap heap just to hold a title match a while back. The Rhodes brothers thing was an okay pairing but Dustin is too old and I think basically retiring. They had a quiet Swiss dude posing as a xenophobic American just to create something approximating a team identity not long ago. Compare that to a time when you had The Rockers, British Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, Orient Express, Demolition, Nasty Boys, Bolsheviks, Bushwhackers, etc. all active at pretty much the same time. NWA had Road Warriors, Steiners, Midnight, Rock&Roll, Doom, etc. as well.
Now it just seems like the corny ethnic pairings division. No personality, no real storylines, and just one match per card for the title, often with 3 or 4 teams thrown together at once because nobody gives a shit about the outcome.
You could have teamed up, say, Neville and Balor, given them a persona or maybe a manager, and done something interesting. Instead one guy is down in NXT and the other is stuck in limbo as a mid-card stuntman who will eventually fade away like Kofi Kingston.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Cole ruins Ambrose for me||
The guy justs twists his face up a little and Michael Cole starts wetting himself talking about "the lunatic fringe". Just gives the guys entire persona a weak feeling to me, even though I know logically he's a quality performer. Fuck Michael Cole.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Agree on golden era||
First off, Michael Cole sucks balls. And it makes a huge difference in the product when compared to JR (especially in his NWA days) or Monsoon/Ventura.
Second, personality is lacking compared to the good old days. Wyatt has it. Rollins has it. Brock/Heyman have it in spades between the two of them. Most of the other guys come off as lame and scripted. Any mention of "the WWE universe" in a promo just fucking kills the tension.
I'd like to see NXT elevated to an actual rival/competitor. Replace the B-level stories/matches on Smackdown with their own show. Move some of the better workers who aren't getting a big push (Ziggler, Cesaro, and maybe the Miz if you are short on heels) and raid TNA's best guys to kill them off completely (Wolves, Magnus, EC3, maybe Bobby Roode). Add a harder edge since you don't have to appeal to the Cena/kids crowd as much and you might have something really big (two solid but distinct national promotions under one umbrella).
Also, they need to go back to using managers (look at the pop Heyman gets and he's the only one really on the roster) and seriously upgrade and use the tag team division. Sad when a couple of mustachioed douches on unicycles winning the NXT title is actually more compelling than a four team title match at SummerSlam (which is basically just two teams with zero personality, the Dancing Black Guys vs. the Masked Mexicans).
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Not everything|
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Not true||
The other died of cancer in the snowy woods, but before he passed away we were treated to an extended revenge-fantasy dream sequence to appease the sentimentalists in the audience.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Interesting||
If true, I would hope those rumors are coupled with ones about Dymonte Thomas getting a shot on offense. Would hate to see him go the way of guys like Marvin Robinson and Josh Furman, fantastic athletes that never got put in a spot to really succeed and stay on the field here at UM.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Still mad about that second one||
Was crushing an NCAA tourney pool that year through five rounds but the championship game was worth a ton of points. I had the Illini and the guy in (a very distant) second had UNC.
I was young and dumb at the time, so I would have wasted the cash prize on cocaine and strippers. I'm still pretty peeved about it.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||USC||
Went to law school there and love the Trojans. I'll be the drunk guy on the South Lawn in a Roddy Piper t-shirt in two weeks time, though I attend way more SC baseball games than anything else.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Answers||
1. Fiction. Rudock never hit that mark at UI and I think both QB will probably play whether via competition or injury
2. Fiction. Even if the running game is good I think carries will be split too much to reach 1,000 yards.
3. Fiction. Nobody that good, and even if the passing game is successful the ball will be spread around too much. Harbaugh never had a 1,000 yard receiver at Stanford and they haven't had one since he left either.
4. Fact. Not a lot of snaps and I think at least by mid-year we'll be looking for a spark from him.
5. Fiction. Cole is probably the best guy and it is hard to get there as a true sophomore and as a LT even if you are that good. If someone gets it I could see Glasgow at center.
6. Fact. Not sure we'll be top-2 in quality, but we'll play in more tight, low scoring games than OSU or MSU. Look for us and PSU to finish 1-2.
7. Fact. Taco had 3.5 last year and he should get more PT this year.
8. Fiction. Morgan and the reemergence of Ross will cut into his tackle numbers too much.
9. Fact. AA teams are slightly based on hype, and Peppers has it. He'll be the subject of discussion whenever the D takes the field and if he plays well he'll get votes. Making a play or ten in the return game will only help.
10. Hope so.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Short memory||
In Gardner's first 17 games starting at QB for Michigan he accounted for 50 TD and threw just 16 INT. Penn State in 2013 is the only game against a B1G opponent or ND or in a bowl game during that time period where he threw more than 1 INT (he threw 2 in that game).
He threw for 300+ yards against Iowa with 3 TD and 1 INT, and he ran for 3 TD. He threw for 294 with 4 TD and 1 INT against Notre Dame and rushed for 82 and a TD. He put up 240 in the air and 121 on the ground at Penn State. He threw for over 500 yards against Indiana while running for 81 and 3 TD. He threw for 451 against OSU with 4 TD and 0 INT, and added another TD on the ground.
The guy shouldn't be tarnished because he played on a terrible team as a senior and battled through injuries all year long.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Long time away||
He can't sign for another 18 months, and has flipped his commitment once already. There are guys who will end up better players than him who haven't even played a game of high school football yet. Recruiting has gotten to be fairly nuts.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||More important question||
Do they still bleach their hair like ladies, though?
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Eagles suck!||
It's actually 3 in 4 years. Martell is in the 2017 class (just going into his junior year of high school) but Kyle Allen who won the job last year as a true freshman was a 5-star in the 2014 class.
But Kenny Hill is going to make them all pay because Carroll rules!
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Town didn't decommit||
He bolted in the middle of camp (after enrolling early) because the other QB in his recruiting class (Sam Darnold) is significantly better so far and he didn't want to be on a depth chart behind him and a sophomore who was the #1 QB in his class (Max Browne).
No one at SC is upset about him leaving.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Tate Football||
Martell is a dual-threat QB under 6' tall. A&M successfully pitched him on being the rich man's Manziel.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Not accurate||
Harbaugh's 2010 team had Doug Baldwin (leading receiver for the Seahawks last year) and Chris Owusu (ran a 4.36 at the NFL combine, second fastest time that year) as its two best receivers, and TE Coby Fleener who ran a 4.5 at the combine and went early in the 2nd round.
That team had plenty of talented fast guys on it, they didn't just suddenly start tricking teams.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Corso||
His record is actually pretty solid, especially by IU standards. He had success at Louisville (28-11-3) and once he got the ball rolling in Bloomington he won 3 to 5 conference games just about every year, lasted 10 seasons, and won a bowl game.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Perspective||
Gerry had 7 straight losing seasons at Vandy and Indiana. At LSU he had some initial success, but in year 4 went 4-7 and starterd year 5 at 2-8 (with wins over SJSU and North Texas) before getting fired.
It's quite possible he just doesn't know what he's talking about.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||How did he win 11?||
Brady Hoke had a fantastic season and won a major bowl game here at UM (something college hall of famer Lloyd Carr did just twice in 13 years and a feat it took Bo 10 tries to accomplish over a couple of decades).
If our current team (that went 5-7 last year and lost all the guys you mention who I think will be missed quite a bit) has good talent, people should be pissed about 2011, because that team should have won the fucking Super Bowl if the same coach went 11-2 with those guys.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Absolute fucking nonsense||
I will bet you a gazillion dollars that Harbaugh doesn't win more than 11 games this year.
Funny how people forget facts when they have silly opinions they want to keep.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Not true||
If this team wins double digit games I will give the lion's share of the credit to Hoke, minus whatever contribution guys like Rudock or Higdon make who are here because of Harbaugh.
Coaching can swing you a game or two at most. It doesn't make a team good or bad (SEE Brady Hoke's varying records at Michigan, or if you prefer Rich Rodriguez's varying records at WVU, UM and UA, or if you insist, Jim Harbaugh's varying records at Stanford and the continued success they had after his departure).
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Forgetting Funchess||
Darboh (the man whose stat line you quote) getting better doesn't necessarily make us better. He would have to hit 62/733/4 and someone else would have to match his production just for us to tread water.
QB is a question mark where a guy with zero career TD is competing against a guy Iowa benched and was fine with seeing walk out the door.
O-Line is still a question, as no one has established himself as an all-conference type player and our big hope may be a guy (Cole) who is just advanced for his age rather than truly great.
RB is still a question across the board.
DE is a huge question (lost our two starters).
LB is a question after losing the insane production of Jake Ryan (we may be okay, but have to improve a lot across the board to tread water).
2nd CB is a question with Taylor and Countess gone.
And that is from a team that went 5-7 last year.
TE should be better with Hill and Butt healthy. Peppers will probably help somewhere. O-Line will probably improve. Coaching will be better (but its impact is always overstated by fans).
And expectations are already that this team is 2.5 or so games better, just based on the betting lines.
Frankly, I just don't see it. Especially since so many of the positive arguments were being made last year as well and resulted in a major disappointment of a season.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Not you||
Well aware that you have things in perspective, old top. I'm just getting a kick out of all the "Hoke was soft" talk four years after he supposedly brought the masculine toughness we so desperately needed to win the Sugar Bowl into the program.
The same guy David Molk and Mike Martin (no softies) admired probably wasn't the total candyass he's being portrayed as now that his program went into the toilet. He just never found the next Molk or Martin in any of his supposedly awesome recruiting classes.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||5-star cuisine||
I'm guessing someone just really likes chicken broccoli bake and the dorm switch messed up the timing on when it gets served.
There is zero chance the coach who bragged about guys chugging clam chowder was out there personally whipping up custom crepes for his pampered princesses and that his culinary culture caused Michigan's misfortunes.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Every coaching change ever||
I remember the good old days when Rich Rod was making guys puke and running off the pussies and The Hokester finally had them hitting a blocking sled and eating red meat for the first time in their lives.
Talent always trumps the talking points.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Apples to apples||
I do think there is a little more talent in the latter Hoke classes than in the first ones, but I'm giving him a fair comparison with other coaches who actually recruited well. Those classes are also small though (basically one full class between 2014 and 2015) and will come back to bite us down the road. The guys we think of as the best in the game brought in elite talent in their first full recruiting class (2012 for Hoke) and that talent had produced on the field well before the coach completed his fourth season on the job.
And I'm not villifying, just explaining. Plenty of people are saying he doesn't know how to coach or develop players or that his staff were less than competent. This is provably false. Jeremy Gallon set the single season receiving record under Hoke. Molk won the Rimington Award. Lewan was 2-time B1G lineman of the year. Denard and Fitz both ran for 1,000+ yards.
The problem is that Brady Hoke didn't recruit players who are/were as good as those guys and the team got worse and worse as they departed. So yeah, when you don't really know how to build a team in the way Harbaugh, Rodriguez, Meyer, Tressel, Carroll, Saban, et. al do, then you probably think it is a lot harder and takes a lot longer than it does.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||How is that a hole?||
Turns out, finding a few tight ends who may very well turn into good players five years into your tenure (and I do like both Butt and Hill a lot as players), isn't how you build an elite program, or even a decent one.
If you're comparing those guys to the elite offensive talent, especially when I didn't even really look at offensive linemen or TE at most of those schools I mentioned (Saban also signed Barrett Jones in that first class) and didn't look at places like Oregon or FSU or anywhere else that has had recent success at top notch programs, then my point is pretty much made.
This is the same argument I was forced to make the last year and a half, but it still holds. When you don't have anything like the kind of players top programs have, expecting to be as good or better than them is not smart and bound to end in disappointment.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||For the last time||
Brady Hoke did not recruit well, especially on offense. That is why his team got worse every year. His additions to the 2011 class produced two guys who started (Clark and Taylor) and a punter. At QB he picked up Russell Bellomy (left the program after one disastrous appearance) in 2011 and then didn't sign a QB in 2012. At RB he added Rawls (left program) and then picked up Drake Johnson (370 career yards after three years) and Norfleeet (left program). At WR he didn't add anyone in 2011 (to a class that had zero WR) then spent half of Devin Funchess' career trying to make him play TE. At TE (a position Hoke claimed was of utmost importance) he picked up Chris Barnett in 2011 (left program pretty much the moment he arrived) and AJ Williams in 2012 (5 catches for 35 yards in three years in addition to some oft-suspect blocking). Chris Bryant was the only OL added in 2011 (left program) and the 2012 class has yet to produce an elite player/prospect. The 2013 class failed to produce an impact player in years 1 or 2.
Hoke walked into a team that was good out of the gate. Harbaugh won in year four because in his first recruiting class he signed Andrew Luck (much better than no one) and OL like Martin and DeCastro (who were all-conference honorees as RS freshmen and total studs in year four). Tressel signed Maurice Clarett in his first class. Carroll signed Mike Williams in his first class and added Reggie Bush and LenDale White in his second. Saban brought in Julio Jones and Mark Ingram (who won the Heisman as a true sophomore). Meyer brought in Tebow and Harvin at UF and JT Barrett, Ezekiel Elliott, and Joey Bosa at OSU. Rodriguez brought in Denard, Lewan, Fitz, and Gallon. Hoke brought in Funchess and a bunch of guys we're hoping may be okay as upperclassmen, while Harbaugh scrambles to bring in transfers and clear enough roster space to bring in a big class.
Building a program takes a lot longer when you drop the ball coming out of the starting blocks like Hoke did.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||5th in carries||
The next RB in after him was a 5'7" walk-on who speaks fluent Japanese. And three of the guys ahead of him on that list missed roughly half the season each (Redd missed 8 games, Davis missed 7, and Madden missed three and had to leave three others). 30 of those 40 carries he had came late in blowout wins over BC, Cal, Colorado, and Fresno State.
Justice Hayes got more carries last year at Michigan than Isaac did at USC. And he just transferred too, because he was buried on the depth chart.
You don't know what you are talking about.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Take a few seconds||
Look at where SC actually gets their players. There are maybe 5 guys on the roster who aren't either from a private school, out of state/area, or places like Orange County or Corona or Rancho Cucamonga.
Michigan gets as many if not more kids from places like Cass Tech and Glenville, but no one would suggest there is some sort of gangster mentality poisoning the locker room here.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||40 carries||
Less than the other three guys, and that was with Redd, Madden, and Davis missing significant time due to injury. And at least 3/4 of those carries came in garbage time in blowout wins.
In fairness though, that is a very loaded depth chart. Last year Allen put up 1,489 yards and Davis added antoher 595 behind a line with three freshmen much of the year, while Redd had averaged over 1,000 yards the two seasons prior to Isaac's arrival.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Dumb||
Isaac left because he was buried on the depth chart behind a Penn State transfer from Connecticut (Silas Redd), a converted linebacker from the suburbs in Orange County (Tre Madden), a dude from Florida who ended up having a great career and being an NFL draft pick (Buck Allen), and a guy from Northern California in his own recruiting class (Justin Davis).
Town is leaving because he is behind a returning starter from Bakersfield (Cody Kessler), a 5-star QB from Washington (Browne), and a kid in his own class from the mean streets of San Clemente, CA (a beach town in south Orange County).
You are an uninformed dumbass spouting racist bullshit.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||A guess||
Sam Darnold was the other QB in his class and he's getting a bunch of practice hype. He's obviously behind Cody Kessler (returning starter) and Max Browne (long-time understudy with high recruiting pedigree). If he's also behind a dude in his own class, I could see him looking to move on in the same way Ty Isaac did.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Cold streak||
Been going every year for March Madness since 2007, but haven't run across any celebs other than Pete Rose signing autographs at Mandalay Bay. He is awesome though. Always watching horse racing on his phone and trying to get tips on which b-ball teams to bet heavy.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||A few||
Loads of UM and USC athletes from time on campus, but not so "random" I suppose.
Charles Martin Smith (Terry The Toad from "American Graffiti" and the IRS agent in "The Untouchables) at Cabo Cantina in LA. I was drunk as fuck and kept telling him how awesome "The Buddy Holly Story" is (he played one of the Crickets).
Willie McGinest at Mandalay Bay in Vegas. After the 2009 game against Iowa he yelled "Michigan sucks" at me before boarding an elevator.
Hugh Hefner at Disneyland. Was with about 6-8 stunners. Nice enough to take a picture with me and my stoned high school buddies. Did not let us near the girls.
Ron Jeremy at Hard Rock in Vegas. Again, nice enough to take picture. Declined to go to strip club with us. Went to titty bar with my buddy (with fake ID at the time) and slept through Jan. 1, 2003 bowl win over Florida.
Jaromir Jagr at MGM Grand sportsbook. He was just hanging out smoking menthols by himself and we didn't bother him.
TL:DR, I need to go to Vegas more often.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||He should||
If this team wins 10+ games Brady would deserve a huge thank you and I would be the first person to give it to him. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening considering where we were last year, what we lost, and Coach Hoke's track record so far in terms of recruiting results.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Good to know||
You intend to ignore additional facts and context in making judgments and remain butthurt because you're just mad your favorite team lost some football games.
Why am I not surprised?
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Fuck Dave Brandon||
People donate to cancer research because they want to see cancer cured. They donate to the Red Cross because they want to see people get help in times of crisis and calamity. They donate to UM athletics because they love the University of Michigan and its sports teams.
Nobody donates a fucking cent because of Dave Brandon. He might be better or more persistent at asking for cash than others, but him taking credit for and idiots like Hoke giving him credit for the fact that people are more than happy to donate loads of cash to the school they love is still infuriating.
Guess what, that dipshit is gone and people are still writing checks. What a miracle!
|1 year 10 weeks ago||RGIII||
I don't know how much of his issue is adjusting and how much is injury. He ran a 4.4 at the combine and has not looked anywhere close to that since his rookie year. His strength came in large part because he could make plays with his legs and that threat opened things up in the passing game. Without that threat he has struggled. If he gets healthy again I think he can be the same solid player he was as a rookie, but if he can't it will be an uphill climb.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Results are in||
If you think the turnaround was the result of the coaching acumen of Brady Hoke and his staff I think the subsequent results have completely refuted that view.
The fact is we put a better player on the field at four positions and a more experienced version of the same guy at all the rest. That's how you get dramatically better year to year. People who don't recognize that are just hanging on to reasons to be mad at one of our former coaches.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||New guys||
That defense improved in large part because the staff had better players available. Heininger came back from a season ending injury the year before (he had been a starter in camp). Woolfolk did the same (though he ended up playing less than expected). Countess joined the team (eventually an all-conference player). Ryan came off his redshirt (eventual Butkus finalist). Morgan joined the team and has been a starter pretty much ever since. And Mike Martin didn't spend half the season hobbling around due to a cheap shot from MSU. The personnel improved and everybody else got a year older, stronger, and wiser.
This team isn't going to take a significant leap unless the same thing happens. It's possible if Isaac or maybe Higdon improve things at RB, if Rudock is the real deal at QB, if Peppers is a legit All-American candidate, if Butt/Hill can stay healthy and be a dynamic duo, if Harris/Canteen/Cole can turn WR from weakness to strength, and we can replace guys like Funchess, Clark, and Ryan. Unfortunately that's a lot of "ifs".
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Elevation||
SLC is roughly a thousand feet lower than Denver. Not sure what sort of impact that has, relatively speaking.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Got lucky||
His first arrest got reduced to reckless driving. Otherwise he'd be looking at a 120 day stay at the grey bar motel.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Chatter||
I think one of the writers for this site all but guaranteed he'd be starting at guard when the season came around. Then the chatter was that he didn't have the frame/build or whatever for that spot and he didn't see the field that year (2013, when we had Lewan/Schofield on the outside and the interior of the line was a disaster all year) and was at RT last year when he did finally get out there.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Adapting to the machine||
On top of that, there was no machine. Hoke inherited Denard and five veteran offensive lineman (going into at least their third year) who would go on to the NFL (though he played Will Campbell on D). Yet he kept complaining about needing to recruit a different kind of guy.
Then when guys like Lewan and Schofield graduated, he scrapped the whole thing, canned Borges, and started all over again with a zone-centric scheme, in a weak attempt to copy a more successful program in Alabama (he did the same thing on D with MSU). Sacrificing any bit of talent on that 2011 team so we could build to a 5-7 season is infuriating.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Don't be naive||
You know John Ferrara would have been plowing dudes into the ground if we lined up in the I and ran power down fools' throats. Sure he was a converted, lightly recruited defensive end thrust into the starting lineup, but this is Michigan so he must have been awesome.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Yup||
Denard was the reigning B1G player of the year. Threet was a RS freshman that transferred 6 months later (and would have been beaten out by both Tate and Denard in camp) whose best season as a collegiate QB saw him throw 18 TD and 16 INT.
And are we really pretending Hoke had a "system"? His offense at SDSU was very different from the one he had success with at Ball State, and he completely switched his offensive (new coordinator, much more zone blocking) and defensive schemes (over/under switch and emphasis on press coverage to try and steal MSU's thunder) going into his fourth year here. Lining up in the I and running power so guys who weren't going to be here down the road could practice it for a coordinator that ended up getting fired anyway was not a smart decision.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Website is great||
He has a ton of recipes that I go to all the time. From basic stuff like guacamole and drinks to pretty wild authentic regional stuff. Since Mexican tends to be a crowd pleaser (interesting enough but not scary to anyone) and conducive to drinking and fun, I almost always turn to his recipes when we have people over and just about everything goes over great.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Worse||
He also said he thinks we'd be at least .500. If that is the case we are 100% guaranteed to make a bowl game, so there would be no luck involved.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||On the bright side||
As lame as Skip is, his brother is rad, so this was a nice reminder to maybe whip up some camarones a la diabla and margaritas tonight.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||Peers more important than coaching||
In Devin's first 17 games as the guy at QB, he threw 32 TD and 16 INT, completed 60% of his passes, and rushed for 18 more TD. 50 TD in 17 games.
Of course, in 2012 his RB were Fitz and Denard (both in the NFL, nearly 6,800 career rushing yards here at Michigan between them), his WR were Gallon and Roundtree (both all-conference honorees with over 5,000 career receiving yards between them), and his OL had Lewan (two-time B1G player of the year, 1st round draft pick), Schofield (3rd round draft pick), and Omameh (first team all-B1G as a senior and an NFL starter last year).
The talent was significantly worse last year and he had to go through a coordinator change. We saw what Devin Gardner "could've been" because he was that guy pretty much for a year and a half (a tremendous talent with the occasional bonehead play).
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Knew the basics||
I know Stallings had a much better record than people remember (especially outside SEC country) and that the three guys that followed all had good seasons at one point. Wikipedia'd the record details though.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Not really||
Alabama was a program that wasn't quite as good as Spurrier's Florida and was then on probation twice. They were inconsistent, not shitty.
Gene Stallings went 11-1 in '91 (loss to Florida), won a national title a year later (blew out Miami in the Sugar Bowl), went 12-1 in '94 (loss to Florida in SEC title game), and 10-3 in his final year in '96 (with another loss to Florida in the SEC title game). Mike DuBose won the SEC in '99 (lost to UM in Orange Bowl) and got fired a year later after a 3-8 season caused by sanctions and scholarship reductions, Dennis Franchione went 10-3 and won the SEC west outright in '02 (then left for A&M rather than deal with sanctions), Mike Shula went 10-2 and finished #8 in the country in '05 but got fired a year later just as he was able to sign a full recruiting class. Saban benefitted from that big class and hit the ground running with an undefeated regular season in year two and a national title in year three.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Does he make it to '97?||
This thought experiment assumes Moeller gets through a very rough patch, even if he doesn't get fired. He lost 4 games in each of his last two seasons, then Carr lost 4 in each of his first two. Assuming Bo covers for the drunken night scandal, that still mars the guy's reputation and we're looking at four mediocre seasons in a row.
Not so sure in that environment that he sticks around. And under those circumstances Carr doesn't get hired.
So not sure your "What if?" is necessarily so rosey. It should also be noted that he was following Bo, who only finished outside the top-2 in the Big Ten four times in his career. Following those seasons he won the league outright three times and put together the 1985 season where UM finished #2 in both polls at season's end. He never had two bad seasons, much less four in a row, so people were judging things by a different standard at that time.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Hope you're right||
Oregon State is just fucking weird. They should really always suck (and used to for decades) but it seems like every time I want to write them off they are there to be a pain in the ass. As a Carr-era UM student (Pac-10=nightmare) and a Carroll-era USC student (lost in Corvalis in 2006 to a team that was 4-3 at the time and in 2008 the only loss came against a 1-2 OSU team).
I'm clearly not being objective, but I will never take those fuckers for granted ever.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Recency bias?||
Not able to check the numbers, but it seemed like Max had a couple of fairly solid games right at the end of the season and in the BTT. At that same point, Donnal was pretty much out of the rotation, or in foul trouble so quickly that he might as well have been out. Would explain why we think of him as playing better even if the overall numbers don't support that claim.
And that's not necessarily an inaccurate assessment of the situation, either. For instance, we would probably be correct in assuming Dawkins will be more like the guy who was raining threes in conference play going forward than the guy who couldn't get on the court at the start of the season.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Oregon State scares me as well||
They haven't been a program to have 3-4 bad years in a row since Riley/Erickson took over. Coming off a mediocre season two years ago and a bad one this past year, I wouldn't be surprised if they are back in the middle of the Pac-12 standings (which would almost certainly put them ahead of us). They'll also be sky-high for the game and probably overlooked by most folks in maize&blue.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Based on what?||
Molk, Omameh, Lewan, and Schofield all played at a high level under Hoke. Denard kept making big plays. FItz had a 1,000 yard season. Hemingway, Funchess, and Gallon put up numbers, and though Roundtree's dropped he still made some huge catches (game winners against ND and Northwestern, 70+ yarder against OSU). Martin, Roh, RVB, Clark, Ryan, Countess, Kovacs, etc. all played at a high level.
He probably could have used guys like Furman and Marvin Robinson better/more, and there were some issues with the offensive continuity as a whole (though even the maligned Devin Gardner still accounted for 70 TD under Hoke). Still, good players had no problem being good players under Hoke. The problem was he didn't recruit enough of his own and as a result the team got worse each year.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Lewis||
I guess I just assumed he would be the other starter (meaning he'd play whether Countess is here or not). On the other side I would just rather have a choice of Lyons/Countess/Freshman rather than just Lyons/Freshman. Even if Blake wouldn't have been named the starter, not having him around in case of injury or pass-happy attack could come back to bite us, IMO.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||God, I have no idea||
Pretty confident we'll beat UNLV, Rutgers, and Northwestern at home.
After that it feels like a complete crapshoot. This team just has so many questions, but seems like it could potentially have answers. Can someone like Isaac or Higdon turn RB from weakness to strength? Can some combo of Cole/Canteen/Harris seriously upgrade the WR corps? Can Butt/Hill take TE from weakness to strength? Will each guy getting a little better (and does that improvement happen) result in a quantum leap across the board for the o-line? Do we have any pass rush without Clark and Ryan? Is Peppers ready to be the real deal and a difference maker for the defense as a whole? Will we regret losing Countess at some point?
I could honestly see anything from 5-10 wins depending on how those scenarios play out.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Comedy = Tragedy + Time||
I'm almost able to laugh at it now:
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Talent level||
Denard had won the B1G player of the year award the year before and has now been a starting RB in the NFL. Molk was a Rimington finalist (three guys) who then won the award a year later. Lewan was 2-time B1G lineman of the year. Schofield ended up a 3rd round pick. Omameh ended up 1st team all-B1G and started for the Bucs last year. Fitz finally got healthy that year, rushed for 1,000 yards, and is now on the Ravens active roster. Hemingway got drafted and plays for the Chiefs. Gallon broke the single season receiving record at UM and got drafted. Roy Roundtree was 3rd in the B1G in receiving the year before Hoke arrived. Mike Martin was 2nd team all-conference the year before Hoke's arrival and got drafted. Roh was 2nd team all-B1G as a senior. Jake Ryan ended up a Butkus Finalist and 4th round pick. Demens made the Cardinals active roster as an undrafted free agent. Cam Gordon has a Super Bowl ring. Desmond Morgan is still a solid player in the program with loads of starting experience. Kovacs made the Dolphins active roster. Countess was 1st team all-B1G. Josh Furman just got drafted after a very good season at Ok. State but never saw the field here. Guys like Vinopal (two year starter at Pitt) and Marvin Robinson (1st team all-conference at Ferris State) got NFL shots with the Cowboys (Ray is in camp with them this year and Robinson got hurt there last year).
That team had plenty of talent. Hoke didn't adequately replace it, so we slowly fell from 11-2 to 5-7, and probably won't be too much better this year.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Maybe||
Not sure anyone else on the roster is a better fit, though.
Either way, it's nice having a coach who will get the benefit of the doubt around here if there is short-term pain on the way to long-term success.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Well||
Countess was first team all-B1G a couple of years ago and HM this past season. Not sure we're better off with him playing down on the Plains.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Speaking of quick turnarounds||
People also seem to forget how excited they were about how little attrition there was under Hoke. Seems like a lot of people are changing their tune or don't seem to understand the process (and the fact that you kind of want the guys who aren't going to play to leave).
Of course, the change in attitude comes a little late since we've signed just 30 players over the last two classes, something that will definitely hurt the program in the next few years.