a vitally important recap of all the dumb tweets sent during the Harbaugh coaching search
|6 days 10 hours ago||When this all went down||
I remember people defending Brandon when UM and OSU ended up in different divisions on the grounds that there were a lot of parties at the negotiating table and we couldn't just expect to get everything we wanted when entering into negotiations with Northwestern and Purdue.
I remember saying Brandon either sucked at his job or didn't actually want what we wanted (and what made sense for preserving the importance of the rivalry). Apparently both were true.
Fuck Dave Brandon.
|1 week 1 day ago||Seen very little||
Never got into the masked stuff, really. Was always more of an NWA fan in the old days, started to dip my toe in the ECW waters through Terry Funk (his '89 feud with Flair is still probably my favorite thing as a fan) and around the same time bailed on WCW when they basically killed off the Horsemen and put everybody and his mother in the NWO (then had to split the NWO because it was too big, then had Russo bury the company).
So every once in a while I try to see if there is a viable alternative/rival to WWE. I've got my eggs in the NXT basket for now, and hopefully Vince is listening and can make it into a legit competitor. Can't imagine it would be bad for business if he could create something like the Monday Night Wars under one roof.
|1 week 1 day ago||Doubt it would take much push||
I was mildly intrigued by the idea of Global Force but when they immediately partnered up with Dixie I knew that shit was going nowhere. Can't imagine it would take much to sign those guys. WWE could probably scoop up the Wolves pretty easily as well.
They just don't seem to prioritize the division at all anymore. They had to bring the New Age Outlaws back from the scrap heap just to hold a title match a while back. The Rhodes brothers thing was an okay pairing but Dustin is too old and I think basically retiring. They had a quiet Swiss dude posing as a xenophobic American just to create something approximating a team identity not long ago. Compare that to a time when you had The Rockers, British Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, Orient Express, Demolition, Nasty Boys, Bolsheviks, Bushwhackers, etc. all active at pretty much the same time. NWA had Road Warriors, Steiners, Midnight, Rock&Roll, Doom, etc. as well.
Now it just seems like the corny ethnic pairings division. No personality, no real storylines, and just one match per card for the title, often with 3 or 4 teams thrown together at once because nobody gives a shit about the outcome.
You could have teamed up, say, Neville and Balor, given them a persona or maybe a manager, and done something interesting. Instead one guy is down in NXT and the other is stuck in limbo as a mid-card stuntman who will eventually fade away like Kofi Kingston.
|1 week 1 day ago||Cole ruins Ambrose for me||
The guy justs twists his face up a little and Michael Cole starts wetting himself talking about "the lunatic fringe". Just gives the guys entire persona a weak feeling to me, even though I know logically he's a quality performer. Fuck Michael Cole.
|1 week 1 day ago||Agree on golden era||
First off, Michael Cole sucks balls. And it makes a huge difference in the product when compared to JR (especially in his NWA days) or Monsoon/Ventura.
Second, personality is lacking compared to the good old days. Wyatt has it. Rollins has it. Brock/Heyman have it in spades between the two of them. Most of the other guys come off as lame and scripted. Any mention of "the WWE universe" in a promo just fucking kills the tension.
I'd like to see NXT elevated to an actual rival/competitor. Replace the B-level stories/matches on Smackdown with their own show. Move some of the better workers who aren't getting a big push (Ziggler, Cesaro, and maybe the Miz if you are short on heels) and raid TNA's best guys to kill them off completely (Wolves, Magnus, EC3, maybe Bobby Roode). Add a harder edge since you don't have to appeal to the Cena/kids crowd as much and you might have something really big (two solid but distinct national promotions under one umbrella).
Also, they need to go back to using managers (look at the pop Heyman gets and he's the only one really on the roster) and seriously upgrade and use the tag team division. Sad when a couple of mustachioed douches on unicycles winning the NXT title is actually more compelling than a four team title match at SummerSlam (which is basically just two teams with zero personality, the Dancing Black Guys vs. the Masked Mexicans).
|1 week 1 day ago||Not everything|
|1 week 1 day ago||Not true||
The other died of cancer in the snowy woods, but before he passed away we were treated to an extended revenge-fantasy dream sequence to appease the sentimentalists in the audience.
|1 week 2 days ago||Interesting||
If true, I would hope those rumors are coupled with ones about Dymonte Thomas getting a shot on offense. Would hate to see him go the way of guys like Marvin Robinson and Josh Furman, fantastic athletes that never got put in a spot to really succeed and stay on the field here at UM.
|1 week 2 days ago||Still mad about that second one||
Was crushing an NCAA tourney pool that year through five rounds but the championship game was worth a ton of points. I had the Illini and the guy in (a very distant) second had UNC.
I was young and dumb at the time, so I would have wasted the cash prize on cocaine and strippers. I'm still pretty peeved about it.
|1 week 2 days ago||USC||
Went to law school there and love the Trojans. I'll be the drunk guy on the South Lawn in a Roddy Piper t-shirt in two weeks time, though I attend way more SC baseball games than anything else.
|1 week 2 days ago||Answers||
1. Fiction. Rudock never hit that mark at UI and I think both QB will probably play whether via competition or injury
2. Fiction. Even if the running game is good I think carries will be split too much to reach 1,000 yards.
3. Fiction. Nobody that good, and even if the passing game is successful the ball will be spread around too much. Harbaugh never had a 1,000 yard receiver at Stanford and they haven't had one since he left either.
4. Fact. Not a lot of snaps and I think at least by mid-year we'll be looking for a spark from him.
5. Fiction. Cole is probably the best guy and it is hard to get there as a true sophomore and as a LT even if you are that good. If someone gets it I could see Glasgow at center.
6. Fact. Not sure we'll be top-2 in quality, but we'll play in more tight, low scoring games than OSU or MSU. Look for us and PSU to finish 1-2.
7. Fact. Taco had 3.5 last year and he should get more PT this year.
8. Fiction. Morgan and the reemergence of Ross will cut into his tackle numbers too much.
9. Fact. AA teams are slightly based on hype, and Peppers has it. He'll be the subject of discussion whenever the D takes the field and if he plays well he'll get votes. Making a play or ten in the return game will only help.
10. Hope so.
|1 week 3 days ago||Short memory||
In Gardner's first 17 games starting at QB for Michigan he accounted for 50 TD and threw just 16 INT. Penn State in 2013 is the only game against a B1G opponent or ND or in a bowl game during that time period where he threw more than 1 INT (he threw 2 in that game).
He threw for 300+ yards against Iowa with 3 TD and 1 INT, and he ran for 3 TD. He threw for 294 with 4 TD and 1 INT against Notre Dame and rushed for 82 and a TD. He put up 240 in the air and 121 on the ground at Penn State. He threw for over 500 yards against Indiana while running for 81 and 3 TD. He threw for 451 against OSU with 4 TD and 0 INT, and added another TD on the ground.
The guy shouldn't be tarnished because he played on a terrible team as a senior and battled through injuries all year long.
|1 week 3 days ago||Long time away||
He can't sign for another 18 months, and has flipped his commitment once already. There are guys who will end up better players than him who haven't even played a game of high school football yet. Recruiting has gotten to be fairly nuts.
|1 week 3 days ago||More important question||
Do they still bleach their hair like ladies, though?
|1 week 3 days ago||Eagles suck!||
It's actually 3 in 4 years. Martell is in the 2017 class (just going into his junior year of high school) but Kyle Allen who won the job last year as a true freshman was a 5-star in the 2014 class.
But Kenny Hill is going to make them all pay because Carroll rules!
|1 week 3 days ago||Town didn't decommit||
He bolted in the middle of camp (after enrolling early) because the other QB in his recruiting class (Sam Darnold) is significantly better so far and he didn't want to be on a depth chart behind him and a sophomore who was the #1 QB in his class (Max Browne).
No one at SC is upset about him leaving.
|1 week 3 days ago||Tate Football||
Martell is a dual-threat QB under 6' tall. A&M successfully pitched him on being the rich man's Manziel.
|1 week 5 days ago||Not accurate||
Harbaugh's 2010 team had Doug Baldwin (leading receiver for the Seahawks last year) and Chris Owusu (ran a 4.36 at the NFL combine, second fastest time that year) as its two best receivers, and TE Coby Fleener who ran a 4.5 at the combine and went early in the 2nd round.
That team had plenty of talented fast guys on it, they didn't just suddenly start tricking teams.
|1 week 5 days ago||Corso||
His record is actually pretty solid, especially by IU standards. He had success at Louisville (28-11-3) and once he got the ball rolling in Bloomington he won 3 to 5 conference games just about every year, lasted 10 seasons, and won a bowl game.
|1 week 5 days ago||Perspective||
Gerry had 7 straight losing seasons at Vandy and Indiana. At LSU he had some initial success, but in year 4 went 4-7 and starterd year 5 at 2-8 (with wins over SJSU and North Texas) before getting fired.
It's quite possible he just doesn't know what he's talking about.
|1 week 5 days ago||How did he win 11?||
Brady Hoke had a fantastic season and won a major bowl game here at UM (something college hall of famer Lloyd Carr did just twice in 13 years and a feat it took Bo 10 tries to accomplish over a couple of decades).
If our current team (that went 5-7 last year and lost all the guys you mention who I think will be missed quite a bit) has good talent, people should be pissed about 2011, because that team should have won the fucking Super Bowl if the same coach went 11-2 with those guys.
|1 week 5 days ago||Absolute fucking nonsense||
I will bet you a gazillion dollars that Harbaugh doesn't win more than 11 games this year.
Funny how people forget facts when they have silly opinions they want to keep.
|1 week 5 days ago||Not true||
If this team wins double digit games I will give the lion's share of the credit to Hoke, minus whatever contribution guys like Rudock or Higdon make who are here because of Harbaugh.
Coaching can swing you a game or two at most. It doesn't make a team good or bad (SEE Brady Hoke's varying records at Michigan, or if you prefer Rich Rodriguez's varying records at WVU, UM and UA, or if you insist, Jim Harbaugh's varying records at Stanford and the continued success they had after his departure).
|1 week 5 days ago||Forgetting Funchess||
Darboh (the man whose stat line you quote) getting better doesn't necessarily make us better. He would have to hit 62/733/4 and someone else would have to match his production just for us to tread water.
QB is a question mark where a guy with zero career TD is competing against a guy Iowa benched and was fine with seeing walk out the door.
O-Line is still a question, as no one has established himself as an all-conference type player and our big hope may be a guy (Cole) who is just advanced for his age rather than truly great.
RB is still a question across the board.
DE is a huge question (lost our two starters).
LB is a question after losing the insane production of Jake Ryan (we may be okay, but have to improve a lot across the board to tread water).
2nd CB is a question with Taylor and Countess gone.
And that is from a team that went 5-7 last year.
TE should be better with Hill and Butt healthy. Peppers will probably help somewhere. O-Line will probably improve. Coaching will be better (but its impact is always overstated by fans).
And expectations are already that this team is 2.5 or so games better, just based on the betting lines.
Frankly, I just don't see it. Especially since so many of the positive arguments were being made last year as well and resulted in a major disappointment of a season.
|1 week 5 days ago||Not you||
Well aware that you have things in perspective, old top. I'm just getting a kick out of all the "Hoke was soft" talk four years after he supposedly brought the masculine toughness we so desperately needed to win the Sugar Bowl into the program.
The same guy David Molk and Mike Martin (no softies) admired probably wasn't the total candyass he's being portrayed as now that his program went into the toilet. He just never found the next Molk or Martin in any of his supposedly awesome recruiting classes.
|1 week 5 days ago||5-star cuisine||
I'm guessing someone just really likes chicken broccoli bake and the dorm switch messed up the timing on when it gets served.
There is zero chance the coach who bragged about guys chugging clam chowder was out there personally whipping up custom crepes for his pampered princesses and that his culinary culture caused Michigan's misfortunes.
|1 week 5 days ago||Every coaching change ever||
I remember the good old days when Rich Rod was making guys puke and running off the pussies and The Hokester finally had them hitting a blocking sled and eating red meat for the first time in their lives.
Talent always trumps the talking points.
|1 week 5 days ago||Apples to apples||
I do think there is a little more talent in the latter Hoke classes than in the first ones, but I'm giving him a fair comparison with other coaches who actually recruited well. Those classes are also small though (basically one full class between 2014 and 2015) and will come back to bite us down the road. The guys we think of as the best in the game brought in elite talent in their first full recruiting class (2012 for Hoke) and that talent had produced on the field well before the coach completed his fourth season on the job.
And I'm not villifying, just explaining. Plenty of people are saying he doesn't know how to coach or develop players or that his staff were less than competent. This is provably false. Jeremy Gallon set the single season receiving record under Hoke. Molk won the Rimington Award. Lewan was 2-time B1G lineman of the year. Denard and Fitz both ran for 1,000+ yards.
The problem is that Brady Hoke didn't recruit players who are/were as good as those guys and the team got worse and worse as they departed. So yeah, when you don't really know how to build a team in the way Harbaugh, Rodriguez, Meyer, Tressel, Carroll, Saban, et. al do, then you probably think it is a lot harder and takes a lot longer than it does.
|1 week 5 days ago||How is that a hole?||
Turns out, finding a few tight ends who may very well turn into good players five years into your tenure (and I do like both Butt and Hill a lot as players), isn't how you build an elite program, or even a decent one.
If you're comparing those guys to the elite offensive talent, especially when I didn't even really look at offensive linemen or TE at most of those schools I mentioned (Saban also signed Barrett Jones in that first class) and didn't look at places like Oregon or FSU or anywhere else that has had recent success at top notch programs, then my point is pretty much made.
This is the same argument I was forced to make the last year and a half, but it still holds. When you don't have anything like the kind of players top programs have, expecting to be as good or better than them is not smart and bound to end in disappointment.
|1 week 6 days ago||For the last time||
Brady Hoke did not recruit well, especially on offense. That is why his team got worse every year. His additions to the 2011 class produced two guys who started (Clark and Taylor) and a punter. At QB he picked up Russell Bellomy (left the program after one disastrous appearance) in 2011 and then didn't sign a QB in 2012. At RB he added Rawls (left program) and then picked up Drake Johnson (370 career yards after three years) and Norfleeet (left program). At WR he didn't add anyone in 2011 (to a class that had zero WR) then spent half of Devin Funchess' career trying to make him play TE. At TE (a position Hoke claimed was of utmost importance) he picked up Chris Barnett in 2011 (left program pretty much the moment he arrived) and AJ Williams in 2012 (5 catches for 35 yards in three years in addition to some oft-suspect blocking). Chris Bryant was the only OL added in 2011 (left program) and the 2012 class has yet to produce an elite player/prospect. The 2013 class failed to produce an impact player in years 1 or 2.
Hoke walked into a team that was good out of the gate. Harbaugh won in year four because in his first recruiting class he signed Andrew Luck (much better than no one) and OL like Martin and DeCastro (who were all-conference honorees as RS freshmen and total studs in year four). Tressel signed Maurice Clarett in his first class. Carroll signed Mike Williams in his first class and added Reggie Bush and LenDale White in his second. Saban brought in Julio Jones and Mark Ingram (who won the Heisman as a true sophomore). Meyer brought in Tebow and Harvin at UF and JT Barrett, Ezekiel Elliott, and Joey Bosa at OSU. Rodriguez brought in Denard, Lewan, Fitz, and Gallon. Hoke brought in Funchess and a bunch of guys we're hoping may be okay as upperclassmen, while Harbaugh scrambles to bring in transfers and clear enough roster space to bring in a big class.
Building a program takes a lot longer when you drop the ball coming out of the starting blocks like Hoke did.
|2 weeks 9 hours ago||5th in carries||
The next RB in after him was a 5'7" walk-on who speaks fluent Japanese. And three of the guys ahead of him on that list missed roughly half the season each (Redd missed 8 games, Davis missed 7, and Madden missed three and had to leave three others). 30 of those 40 carries he had came late in blowout wins over BC, Cal, Colorado, and Fresno State.
Justice Hayes got more carries last year at Michigan than Isaac did at USC. And he just transferred too, because he was buried on the depth chart.
You don't know what you are talking about.
|2 weeks 11 hours ago||Take a few seconds||
Look at where SC actually gets their players. There are maybe 5 guys on the roster who aren't either from a private school, out of state/area, or places like Orange County or Corona or Rancho Cucamonga.
Michigan gets as many if not more kids from places like Cass Tech and Glenville, but no one would suggest there is some sort of gangster mentality poisoning the locker room here.
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||40 carries||
Less than the other three guys, and that was with Redd, Madden, and Davis missing significant time due to injury. And at least 3/4 of those carries came in garbage time in blowout wins.
In fairness though, that is a very loaded depth chart. Last year Allen put up 1,489 yards and Davis added antoher 595 behind a line with three freshmen much of the year, while Redd had averaged over 1,000 yards the two seasons prior to Isaac's arrival.
|2 weeks 20 hours ago||Dumb||
Isaac left because he was buried on the depth chart behind a Penn State transfer from Connecticut (Silas Redd), a converted linebacker from the suburbs in Orange County (Tre Madden), a dude from Florida who ended up having a great career and being an NFL draft pick (Buck Allen), and a guy from Northern California in his own recruiting class (Justin Davis).
Town is leaving because he is behind a returning starter from Bakersfield (Cody Kessler), a 5-star QB from Washington (Browne), and a kid in his own class from the mean streets of San Clemente, CA (a beach town in south Orange County).
You are an uninformed dumbass spouting racist bullshit.
|2 weeks 20 hours ago||A guess||
Sam Darnold was the other QB in his class and he's getting a bunch of practice hype. He's obviously behind Cody Kessler (returning starter) and Max Browne (long-time understudy with high recruiting pedigree). If he's also behind a dude in his own class, I could see him looking to move on in the same way Ty Isaac did.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Cold streak||
Been going every year for March Madness since 2007, but haven't run across any celebs other than Pete Rose signing autographs at Mandalay Bay. He is awesome though. Always watching horse racing on his phone and trying to get tips on which b-ball teams to bet heavy.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||A few||
Loads of UM and USC athletes from time on campus, but not so "random" I suppose.
Charles Martin Smith (Terry The Toad from "American Graffiti" and the IRS agent in "The Untouchables) at Cabo Cantina in LA. I was drunk as fuck and kept telling him how awesome "The Buddy Holly Story" is (he played one of the Crickets).
Willie McGinest at Mandalay Bay in Vegas. After the 2009 game against Iowa he yelled "Michigan sucks" at me before boarding an elevator.
Hugh Hefner at Disneyland. Was with about 6-8 stunners. Nice enough to take a picture with me and my stoned high school buddies. Did not let us near the girls.
Ron Jeremy at Hard Rock in Vegas. Again, nice enough to take picture. Declined to go to strip club with us. Went to titty bar with my buddy (with fake ID at the time) and slept through Jan. 1, 2003 bowl win over Florida.
Jaromir Jagr at MGM Grand sportsbook. He was just hanging out smoking menthols by himself and we didn't bother him.
TL:DR, I need to go to Vegas more often.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||He should||
If this team wins 10+ games Brady would deserve a huge thank you and I would be the first person to give it to him. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening considering where we were last year, what we lost, and Coach Hoke's track record so far in terms of recruiting results.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Good to know||
You intend to ignore additional facts and context in making judgments and remain butthurt because you're just mad your favorite team lost some football games.
Why am I not surprised?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Fuck Dave Brandon||
People donate to cancer research because they want to see cancer cured. They donate to the Red Cross because they want to see people get help in times of crisis and calamity. They donate to UM athletics because they love the University of Michigan and its sports teams.
Nobody donates a fucking cent because of Dave Brandon. He might be better or more persistent at asking for cash than others, but him taking credit for and idiots like Hoke giving him credit for the fact that people are more than happy to donate loads of cash to the school they love is still infuriating.
Guess what, that dipshit is gone and people are still writing checks. What a miracle!
|3 weeks 8 hours ago||RGIII||
I don't know how much of his issue is adjusting and how much is injury. He ran a 4.4 at the combine and has not looked anywhere close to that since his rookie year. His strength came in large part because he could make plays with his legs and that threat opened things up in the passing game. Without that threat he has struggled. If he gets healthy again I think he can be the same solid player he was as a rookie, but if he can't it will be an uphill climb.
|3 weeks 9 hours ago||Results are in||
If you think the turnaround was the result of the coaching acumen of Brady Hoke and his staff I think the subsequent results have completely refuted that view.
The fact is we put a better player on the field at four positions and a more experienced version of the same guy at all the rest. That's how you get dramatically better year to year. People who don't recognize that are just hanging on to reasons to be mad at one of our former coaches.
|3 weeks 10 hours ago||New guys||
That defense improved in large part because the staff had better players available. Heininger came back from a season ending injury the year before (he had been a starter in camp). Woolfolk did the same (though he ended up playing less than expected). Countess joined the team (eventually an all-conference player). Ryan came off his redshirt (eventual Butkus finalist). Morgan joined the team and has been a starter pretty much ever since. And Mike Martin didn't spend half the season hobbling around due to a cheap shot from MSU. The personnel improved and everybody else got a year older, stronger, and wiser.
This team isn't going to take a significant leap unless the same thing happens. It's possible if Isaac or maybe Higdon improve things at RB, if Rudock is the real deal at QB, if Peppers is a legit All-American candidate, if Butt/Hill can stay healthy and be a dynamic duo, if Harris/Canteen/Cole can turn WR from weakness to strength, and we can replace guys like Funchess, Clark, and Ryan. Unfortunately that's a lot of "ifs".
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Elevation||
SLC is roughly a thousand feet lower than Denver. Not sure what sort of impact that has, relatively speaking.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Got lucky||
His first arrest got reduced to reckless driving. Otherwise he'd be looking at a 120 day stay at the grey bar motel.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Chatter||
I think one of the writers for this site all but guaranteed he'd be starting at guard when the season came around. Then the chatter was that he didn't have the frame/build or whatever for that spot and he didn't see the field that year (2013, when we had Lewan/Schofield on the outside and the interior of the line was a disaster all year) and was at RT last year when he did finally get out there.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Adapting to the machine||
On top of that, there was no machine. Hoke inherited Denard and five veteran offensive lineman (going into at least their third year) who would go on to the NFL (though he played Will Campbell on D). Yet he kept complaining about needing to recruit a different kind of guy.
Then when guys like Lewan and Schofield graduated, he scrapped the whole thing, canned Borges, and started all over again with a zone-centric scheme, in a weak attempt to copy a more successful program in Alabama (he did the same thing on D with MSU). Sacrificing any bit of talent on that 2011 team so we could build to a 5-7 season is infuriating.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Don't be naive||
You know John Ferrara would have been plowing dudes into the ground if we lined up in the I and ran power down fools' throats. Sure he was a converted, lightly recruited defensive end thrust into the starting lineup, but this is Michigan so he must have been awesome.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Yup||
Denard was the reigning B1G player of the year. Threet was a RS freshman that transferred 6 months later (and would have been beaten out by both Tate and Denard in camp) whose best season as a collegiate QB saw him throw 18 TD and 16 INT.
And are we really pretending Hoke had a "system"? His offense at SDSU was very different from the one he had success with at Ball State, and he completely switched his offensive (new coordinator, much more zone blocking) and defensive schemes (over/under switch and emphasis on press coverage to try and steal MSU's thunder) going into his fourth year here. Lining up in the I and running power so guys who weren't going to be here down the road could practice it for a coordinator that ended up getting fired anyway was not a smart decision.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Website is great||
He has a ton of recipes that I go to all the time. From basic stuff like guacamole and drinks to pretty wild authentic regional stuff. Since Mexican tends to be a crowd pleaser (interesting enough but not scary to anyone) and conducive to drinking and fun, I almost always turn to his recipes when we have people over and just about everything goes over great.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Worse||
He also said he thinks we'd be at least .500. If that is the case we are 100% guaranteed to make a bowl game, so there would be no luck involved.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||On the bright side||
As lame as Skip is, his brother is rad, so this was a nice reminder to maybe whip up some camarones a la diabla and margaritas tonight.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Peers more important than coaching||
In Devin's first 17 games as the guy at QB, he threw 32 TD and 16 INT, completed 60% of his passes, and rushed for 18 more TD. 50 TD in 17 games.
Of course, in 2012 his RB were Fitz and Denard (both in the NFL, nearly 6,800 career rushing yards here at Michigan between them), his WR were Gallon and Roundtree (both all-conference honorees with over 5,000 career receiving yards between them), and his OL had Lewan (two-time B1G player of the year, 1st round draft pick), Schofield (3rd round draft pick), and Omameh (first team all-B1G as a senior and an NFL starter last year).
The talent was significantly worse last year and he had to go through a coordinator change. We saw what Devin Gardner "could've been" because he was that guy pretty much for a year and a half (a tremendous talent with the occasional bonehead play).
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Knew the basics||
I know Stallings had a much better record than people remember (especially outside SEC country) and that the three guys that followed all had good seasons at one point. Wikipedia'd the record details though.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Not really||
Alabama was a program that wasn't quite as good as Spurrier's Florida and was then on probation twice. They were inconsistent, not shitty.
Gene Stallings went 11-1 in '91 (loss to Florida), won a national title a year later (blew out Miami in the Sugar Bowl), went 12-1 in '94 (loss to Florida in SEC title game), and 10-3 in his final year in '96 (with another loss to Florida in the SEC title game). Mike DuBose won the SEC in '99 (lost to UM in Orange Bowl) and got fired a year later after a 3-8 season caused by sanctions and scholarship reductions, Dennis Franchione went 10-3 and won the SEC west outright in '02 (then left for A&M rather than deal with sanctions), Mike Shula went 10-2 and finished #8 in the country in '05 but got fired a year later just as he was able to sign a full recruiting class. Saban benefitted from that big class and hit the ground running with an undefeated regular season in year two and a national title in year three.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Does he make it to '97?||
This thought experiment assumes Moeller gets through a very rough patch, even if he doesn't get fired. He lost 4 games in each of his last two seasons, then Carr lost 4 in each of his first two. Assuming Bo covers for the drunken night scandal, that still mars the guy's reputation and we're looking at four mediocre seasons in a row.
Not so sure in that environment that he sticks around. And under those circumstances Carr doesn't get hired.
So not sure your "What if?" is necessarily so rosey. It should also be noted that he was following Bo, who only finished outside the top-2 in the Big Ten four times in his career. Following those seasons he won the league outright three times and put together the 1985 season where UM finished #2 in both polls at season's end. He never had two bad seasons, much less four in a row, so people were judging things by a different standard at that time.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Hope you're right||
Oregon State is just fucking weird. They should really always suck (and used to for decades) but it seems like every time I want to write them off they are there to be a pain in the ass. As a Carr-era UM student (Pac-10=nightmare) and a Carroll-era USC student (lost in Corvalis in 2006 to a team that was 4-3 at the time and in 2008 the only loss came against a 1-2 OSU team).
I'm clearly not being objective, but I will never take those fuckers for granted ever.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Recency bias?||
Not able to check the numbers, but it seemed like Max had a couple of fairly solid games right at the end of the season and in the BTT. At that same point, Donnal was pretty much out of the rotation, or in foul trouble so quickly that he might as well have been out. Would explain why we think of him as playing better even if the overall numbers don't support that claim.
And that's not necessarily an inaccurate assessment of the situation, either. For instance, we would probably be correct in assuming Dawkins will be more like the guy who was raining threes in conference play going forward than the guy who couldn't get on the court at the start of the season.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Oregon State scares me as well||
They haven't been a program to have 3-4 bad years in a row since Riley/Erickson took over. Coming off a mediocre season two years ago and a bad one this past year, I wouldn't be surprised if they are back in the middle of the Pac-12 standings (which would almost certainly put them ahead of us). They'll also be sky-high for the game and probably overlooked by most folks in maize&blue.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Based on what?||
Molk, Omameh, Lewan, and Schofield all played at a high level under Hoke. Denard kept making big plays. FItz had a 1,000 yard season. Hemingway, Funchess, and Gallon put up numbers, and though Roundtree's dropped he still made some huge catches (game winners against ND and Northwestern, 70+ yarder against OSU). Martin, Roh, RVB, Clark, Ryan, Countess, Kovacs, etc. all played at a high level.
He probably could have used guys like Furman and Marvin Robinson better/more, and there were some issues with the offensive continuity as a whole (though even the maligned Devin Gardner still accounted for 70 TD under Hoke). Still, good players had no problem being good players under Hoke. The problem was he didn't recruit enough of his own and as a result the team got worse each year.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Lewis||
I guess I just assumed he would be the other starter (meaning he'd play whether Countess is here or not). On the other side I would just rather have a choice of Lyons/Countess/Freshman rather than just Lyons/Freshman. Even if Blake wouldn't have been named the starter, not having him around in case of injury or pass-happy attack could come back to bite us, IMO.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||God, I have no idea||
Pretty confident we'll beat UNLV, Rutgers, and Northwestern at home.
After that it feels like a complete crapshoot. This team just has so many questions, but seems like it could potentially have answers. Can someone like Isaac or Higdon turn RB from weakness to strength? Can some combo of Cole/Canteen/Harris seriously upgrade the WR corps? Can Butt/Hill take TE from weakness to strength? Will each guy getting a little better (and does that improvement happen) result in a quantum leap across the board for the o-line? Do we have any pass rush without Clark and Ryan? Is Peppers ready to be the real deal and a difference maker for the defense as a whole? Will we regret losing Countess at some point?
I could honestly see anything from 5-10 wins depending on how those scenarios play out.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Comedy = Tragedy + Time||
I'm almost able to laugh at it now:
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Talent level||
Denard had won the B1G player of the year award the year before and has now been a starting RB in the NFL. Molk was a Rimington finalist (three guys) who then won the award a year later. Lewan was 2-time B1G lineman of the year. Schofield ended up a 3rd round pick. Omameh ended up 1st team all-B1G and started for the Bucs last year. Fitz finally got healthy that year, rushed for 1,000 yards, and is now on the Ravens active roster. Hemingway got drafted and plays for the Chiefs. Gallon broke the single season receiving record at UM and got drafted. Roy Roundtree was 3rd in the B1G in receiving the year before Hoke arrived. Mike Martin was 2nd team all-conference the year before Hoke's arrival and got drafted. Roh was 2nd team all-B1G as a senior. Jake Ryan ended up a Butkus Finalist and 4th round pick. Demens made the Cardinals active roster as an undrafted free agent. Cam Gordon has a Super Bowl ring. Desmond Morgan is still a solid player in the program with loads of starting experience. Kovacs made the Dolphins active roster. Countess was 1st team all-B1G. Josh Furman just got drafted after a very good season at Ok. State but never saw the field here. Guys like Vinopal (two year starter at Pitt) and Marvin Robinson (1st team all-conference at Ferris State) got NFL shots with the Cowboys (Ray is in camp with them this year and Robinson got hurt there last year).
That team had plenty of talent. Hoke didn't adequately replace it, so we slowly fell from 11-2 to 5-7, and probably won't be too much better this year.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Maybe||
Not sure anyone else on the roster is a better fit, though.
Either way, it's nice having a coach who will get the benefit of the doubt around here if there is short-term pain on the way to long-term success.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Well||
Countess was first team all-B1G a couple of years ago and HM this past season. Not sure we're better off with him playing down on the Plains.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Speaking of quick turnarounds||
People also seem to forget how excited they were about how little attrition there was under Hoke. Seems like a lot of people are changing their tune or don't seem to understand the process (and the fact that you kind of want the guys who aren't going to play to leave).
Of course, the change in attitude comes a little late since we've signed just 30 players over the last two classes, something that will definitely hurt the program in the next few years.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Overdue||
For a very long time, the Coliseum was controlled by a quasi-governmental organization called the Coliseum Commission (since it is a historic landmark). They pretty much refused to approve or fund any kind of major rehab over the years. SC just recently took control of the property and with their coming investment and the likely arrival of an NFL team to play in the Coliseum, the stadium should look and feel (no more broken seats stabbing you in the leg) a lot nicer within a couple of years.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||The middle part||
Kids want to go pro. Warren was told he'd be a third round pick by the NFL advisory board (after being an all-conference player). Then he ran on a bum ankle and his stock plummeted.
It sucks for him that he didn't get drafted and get to cash a paycheck, but he got a shot with 4 teams over 3 years and never stuck. His NFL career (or lack of one) is just the way it is, but it would have been nice for him to stick around and get drafted and it would certainly have helped Michigan out.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Huh?||
Brandon Graham was ridiculously good here. Stevie Brown was very good as a senior once he found a role suited to his skill set and knowledge/experience.
I don't know what you are talking about.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Icebergs||
The biggest one of all was Dave Brandon. He took over a month and a half before signing day in 2010 and began telling recruits he had no idea who the coach would be going forward, yet waited a whole year to fire Rodriguez. By contrast, Pat Haden at USC made a video to support Lane Kiffin (a guy he didn't hire) over the summer only to let him go a few games into the following season. The coaching staff was never hung out to dry and recruiting continued successfully both before and after the band-aid was ripped off.
Brandon torpedoed two recruiting classes and then replaced a fantastic football coach with a terrible one. If Martin is in charge and stands by his hire, I have to think things go a lot differently and his initial hire looks a lot smarter.
|9 weeks 3 hours ago||Two 4-loss seasons didn't help||
If he's coming off a Rose Bowl win things easily go a different direction. Same goes for Woody if he had beaten UM three times in a row instead of the other way around.
|9 weeks 3 hours ago||Jim Harbaugh||
He got drunk either on a team flight or immediately after landing after a game in Indiana in the middle of his second season at USD (the team played in Indiana on Saturday and he was arrested in SD early Sunday). He ran a stop sign, got pulled over, and pled guilty to DUI. He didn't miss a game then. USD gave him a contract extension less than two months after the arrest. He got hired by Stanford just over a year after the arrest, less than a third of the way through his court ordered probation for that arrest.
Do those facts change things for you? Are you just as mad that Jim Harbaugh was allowed to not only keep his job, but continue to be hired for bigger and better positions? And if your opinion about Harbaugh is different, then bitching about Minick keeping his job is extremely hypocritical.
|9 weeks 4 hours ago||"As a leader"||
Do you have the same stance with respect to our current head football coach?
|10 weeks 3 days ago||That 18 year window?||
This is wrong on two fronts. Izzo and Dantonio owe none of their success to Michigan being down. Both have had elite success on a national level, above and beyond just being better than us. Izzo just went to the Final Four. Dantonio just finished in the top-5 for the second year in a row after winning a major bowl game (you have to go back to 1999 to find our second most recent such bowl win and the last time we finished in the top-5).
Also, them being good has nothing to do with whether or not we are good. When Michigan basketball went to the title game and followed it up with an Elite Eight run and a dominating B1G season, State went to the Sweet Sixteen (knocked out by Duke) and the Elite Eight (knocked out by eventual champ UCONN), and won a B1G tournament title. The last two times UM won a major bowl game, State posted 10+ wins.
State being good doesn't stop us from being good, or vice versa.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||2009||
That was the first of RR's only two full classes at Michigan. There were a decent number of 4-star in-state prospects (11 on Rivals) and a big chunk (8) ended up at State. This fueled the "doesn't get it" narrative of Rodriguez as an outsider who didn't fit at UM.
In that class we signed Denard Robinson and Tate Forcier instead of in-state 4-star Andrew Maxwell. We signed Taylor Lewan and Michael Schofield. State got Blake Treadwell (whose dad was on the staff there). They also got 4-star linemen from Iowa and Ohio who both left the program early (Nate Klatt and David Barrent). We signed Jeremy Gallon from Florida (2,704 yards, 17 TD). They signed Donald Spencer from Michigan (2 catches for 21 yards). OSU also landed a 4-star WR from MI, James Jackson who ended up transferring to Wayne State and doing pretty much nothing. They also signed a linebacker (Jeremy Gainer) who never played and left before his fifth year. We got Cam Gordon (from Michigan) who posted 138 tackles, 5 sacks, 15 TFL, and 3 INT and ended up in the NFL, despite essentially backing up a pretty great player in Jake Ryan.
They got Chris Norman who was a good player, but he's a guy we offered who apparently only visited MSU and was a Renaissance pipeline guy. They got Baker (who we offered but who only visited one school, MSU) who was good but we got Fitz from Ohio who put up pretty much an identical career (both in college and now in the NFL). And they got Dion Sims who we offered, but who again only visited State. While obviously a talented guy, he only put up 707 yards total in his MSU career.
So the narrative when these guys were recruited or were freshmen/sophomores was that MSU is winning because they are kicking ass recruiting in the state of Michigan. The facts don't reflect that view at all.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Except it isn't a crapshoot||
Oregon has won 10+ games for 7 years in a row because the guys who were on Mike Belotti's staff and then Chip Kelly's and now Helfrich's knew how to build a program. MSU has won 53 games in 5 years after Dantonio's first three years. Gary Patterson has nine 10-win seasons at TCU this century. After getting three seasons to build a program, Art Briles has won 40 games in 4 seasons at Baylor.
Harbaugh had three years to build his program at Stanford. In year 4 they won 12 games. Then he left, but those guys he recruited were still on campus. They won 11 games, then they won 12 games, then they won 11 games again. By last season they had pretty much all graduated and Stanford won 8 games.
Are you going to bet against these guys going forward just because Rivals says their guys aren't as good as the ones going to other schools?
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Good lord||
How many words in the fucking English language might possibly offend some particular person if used to address them? Can't say Christian anymore, ever, because that might offend a Muslim if you called him that. The inverse obviously applies as well. Can't say my pants are short because I could possibly meet a short person and if I yelled "Hey, shorty!" into his fact he might get offended, in which case I'd be a total dick. And can't say dick ever because if you just walked up to someone and called them a dick they would certainly get pissed, so can I go back and edit out that last word now that I know it is wrong.
You are a fucking child if you are bothered by any word anyone ever says. "Sticks and stones" isn't some quaint old shit. It is the difference between babies and adults. Whining on behalf of others (especially imaginary others who aren't here and aren't pissed off) doesn't make you any less whiney.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Disparaging description||
Are you saying Mgoblog is a "room with persons with development disabilities"?
Magnus, whose actual point I don't completely agree with, used a term associated with diminished intelligence to describe an action by someone (someone who doesn't actually fit into any group or medical condition associated with diminished intelligence) that wasn't terribly intelligent. Context, as you seem to suggest in your post, fucking matters. If upon seeing Coach Harbaugh's shirtless pics in Alabama today, you proclaimed, "That is one sexy nigger!" Anyone who chose (and they would be making a choice) to be offended by your comment would be, in the parlance of our times, a fucking retard. Words are just fashion. Actions and intent are what matters.
There aren't a bunch of kids with down syndrome reading deep into the board posts on this blog and feeling bad because someone associated a mean term for their medical condition with the poor choices made by a member of the UM football staff. Anyone being vicariously offended on behalf of these fictional people is being silly.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||I'll fix it||
Can Magnus just agree that he meant to say "Jim Minick made a developmentally disabled decision" when he chose to drive drunk?
Problem solved for everyone.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Fun Fact||
The terms "retarded" and "mental retardation" were polite euphemisms introduced to replace terms like idiot, imbecile, moron, and mongoloid (only one of which is currently prohibited by modern PC speech conventions). The I and M words sounded mean, so a new term was devised to imply that those with natural mental impairments were not irreparably damaged or naturally inferior to others, but just slower than average to reach their eventual target.
So yeah, getting mad about word choices, especially when the words aren't directed at the people you are supposedly trying to protect from nasty language, is idiotic, moronic, etc.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Because he got a DUI?||
If that is the standard, then Jim Harbaugh shouldn't be on the staff. I'm guessing from your sig that you don't want him fired and were totally cool with hiring him.
There is a word that doesn't start with the letter R that describes this kind of thinking.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Timing||
Both Deadwood and Rome suffered for being in the first wave of the cable TV takeover (before AMC, FX, etc. really jumped on board as well). They had big budgets and critical acclaim, but didn't get the ratings of the hit shows like the Sopranos or Sex and the City that came out just before them. I think if HBO execs had known just how big the post-viewing market would be for these kinds of shows, they never would have cancelled either one.
The Wire could easily have been given the same treatment, but probably escaped the axe because it wasn't too expensive to make.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||"I am not Montell WIlliams!"||
I loved Homicide, especially the early episodes. I think both that and NYPD Blue get lost in the shuffle because they probably stayed on the air too long (Zack Morris being on the show at the end didn't help NYPD Blue), had to do too many episodes in the old network format (imagine just getting the best 13 every year instead of 20+). Homicide also ended up in a shitty timeslot.
Both started in 1993 and The Sopranos came out in 1999 and from that point on cable overshadowed network, and could always be edgier (people protested NYPD Blue because of some brief buttcheeks and side boob).
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Haven't seen them mentioned||
Not sure what a top-5 would look like for me (so many good ones to choose from), but I felt the need to add both The Twilight Zone and Oz (the show that started the cable TV revolution) to the overall list.
|13 weeks 8 hours ago||To your point||
As great and fun to watch as Hart was, he wasn't as good as the guys at places like Ohio State, Texas, and USC, and that is part of the reason why we went 0-6 against those teams when he was here.
To Magnus's point, the only real breakaway guys I can think of off the top of my head are Denard and maybe Breaston (though his magic was pretty much all reserved for special teams). Other than those two you probably have to go back to mid-90's backs like Tim and Tyrone to find a guy who would outrun the field if given a chance.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Timeline||
Good rundown, but just want to point out that in practice a blueshirt doesn't pay a dime unless there is some kind of shenanigans from the coaching staff (as you point out, nothing is guaranteed to them, technically). It's a "wink-wink, you'll get a scholarship the second you arrive situation" rather than a tryout.
The guy I mentioned in my prior post, Clayton Johnson who is headed to USC, is going to show up on campus and will be given a scholarship immediately. The blueshirt thing is just a loophole so they can bring in 26 guys rather than 25, by counting Johnson's scholarship against the 2016 class (similar to the backdating you can do for guys who enroll early). It's only of interest and a viable option because SC is still well below the 85 scholarship limit and not in the position of traditional oversigning schools that need to cut guys off the current roster.
As such, I really don't see it becoming a terribly common practice. If a school like Bama is signing 25 guys a year (which requires a lot of built in attrition) and trying to get extra scholarship guys in the door when they don't have the numbers available before making big roster cuts I would think this shit gets shut down pronto.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Wouldn't do us any good||
The practice only has any value if you are signing a full class of 25 guys, can't backdate early enrolees to the prior class, and are still under the 85 total scholarship limit.
UM signed 14 guys this year, so next year can legally bring in 28 to replace 14 departing seniors. So this isn't really something we need to think or worry about anytime soon, most likely.
USC took one guy like this because they couldn't backdate (sanctions on prior class) and were still well short of 85 total guys (due to the sanctions). One lineman who just knew he wanted to go there didn't bother with visits or the recruiting process and they were able to sign one extra guy. The lineman will go on scholarship as soon as he arrives on campus and will count toward the next class's total.
If you have one sure bet in the class, you may hold back on having him visit officially just in case, but I doubt the situation ever comes up here or is that useful/common in most instances. An extra guy now still counts down the road, and the way the numbers add up you are usually not going to have enough total scholarships to take that many guys anyway.
EDIT: The practice also really doesn't apply to preferred walk-ons, unless the coach is an idiot. The guy going to USC is a 4-star recruit. If you are taking up any of your 85 scholarships on guys who might otherwise be preferred walk-ons, you aren't getting ahead of the game at all.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||And produced the Butkus Award winner last year||
A true sophomore who was pretty much not recruited by anybody out of high school. I'm sure he's super pissed to be associated with that "shit show".
|14 weeks 2 hours ago||Money||
IIRC, it is still one of the most expensive sports to fund in terms of scholarships, equipment, etc. Even with a venue in place, it would cost a lot more than other sports (which is part of the reason we got men's and women's lacrosse at the same time).
|14 weeks 4 days ago||What people?||
No one said Ryan wasn't that good (at most people maybe doubted the efficacy of moving him to MLB, which I still think was a mistake, despite his fantastic play at that spot since it wasn't worth the loss in pass rush ability). Folks who didn't think Clark played well just weren't paying attention. He regularly beat his guy only to see the ball quickly out of the QBs hand this past season. The folks who know (coaches) voted him 2nd team all-conference as a junior even though his numbers weren't off the charts. And the NFL scooped him up quickly despite off-field problems.
Throw in the loss of Taylor/Countess and you have a ton of question marks and no reason for optimism based on the team-building and recruiting prowess of Brady Hoke (outside of maybe Peppers, like I mentioned).
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Losses||
Frank Clark wasn't just the best guy on the team, he was a top talent who went in the 2nd round of the NFL draft. And we lose Beyer opposite him who was the #2 guy in sacks and solid against the run. Ryan was a Butkus finalist on a team that was horrendously bad. We need to replace something like 40 TFL between those guys to tread water.
Even if Peppers is the revelation many assume he'll be, this team is going to have a hard time getting appreciably better on defense. Combined with an offense that isn't exactly primed for improvement this looks to me like a long year.
On the bright side, Harbaugh will get the benefit of the doubt and be allowed to build the fantastic team he's capable of putting together.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Could be worse||
The offense lost its best skill position player (by a mile) and a QB who, before being the last man left on a sinking ship, accounted for 50 TD in his first year and a half as a starter.
Unless there are a ton of surprises, the offense isn't going to get much better, even with Harbaugh at the helm.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Context this year||
Illinois and Maryland have both hit 50 home runs (tied for 21st nationally). Texas A&M, Miami, and FSU are the only Power 5 schools with more. MSU has hit 43. Cal leads the Pac-12 with 41 while league leader UCLA has 28.
The Big Ten isn't better simply because the big boys stopped hitting as many home runs. While overall numbers did drop, the Big Ten (at least among the top teams) is hitting home runs at pretty much the same rate as everybody else.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Baseball power numbers||
Illinois has hit 50 HR this year to their opponents' 20. They aren't playing small ball. The IU team that went to Omaha hit 53 HR to their opponents' 18. As for changes, the seams on the ball were lowered this year and power numbers have gone up nationally, yet the Big Ten is thriving.
The Big Ten is not a small-ball conference in the way, say, the Big West is (where teams like Fullerton, Irvine, Long Beach, and Santa Barbara have had success with big ballparks and few home runs).
Expansion (Maryland and Nebraska are/were solid programs), coaching (which in college baseball is a lot about roster building/management with limited scholarships), and investment have made the difference in the conference.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Facts||
Countess first came to Michigan and wore #18. 1+8=9. Then he switched to #2. 9+2=11.
9/11, dude. 9/11.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||Prep year||
The rumor gained traction because of people who doubted Davis when he committed based on old highlight clips and a low recruiting profile. He's now a top-100 player on 247, ESPN has him ranked above centers going to OSU and UCLA, and he will probably rise in some of the other rankings as he gets scouted more extensively and continues to improve physically.
A prep year was never planned and isn't going to happen.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Trend||
Since the 25th of April, the only people to pick UK are three Kentucky guys and the doofus from Inside the Hall who keeps changing his pick literally multiple times a day. Maybe the UK guys know something, but the panic is overblown and based on pretty much nothing.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||"Avoid the clap"||
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Pinky's a dickhead||
He freaked out about the rankings for a 16 year old kid and said a bunch of awful shit about a young man who committed to play basketball at a school he's ostensibly a fan of. People pointed out both that the rankings were likely to improve (as they did with guys like Stauskas, GRIII, etc.) and that the kids Beilein offers tend to end up being good at basketball regardless of their ranking (a'la Burke, Spike, LeVert, Dawkins, etc.).
That's why he's been repeatedly banned from this site and makes up new cartoon characters a few times a year so he can return and post his uninformed horseshit incessantly.
There is no reason to argue with him.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||Chris Sabo and Hal Morris||
Played on the same UM team as Larkin.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||Vacqueyras||
Olivier Ravoire, 2010. Not great.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||Kali-Ma!||
How dare you! I actually like the third one, but no one eats monkey brains in it. And no one gets their beating heart ripped out of their chest cavity
Raiders holds up because of nostalgia. Temple of Doom holds up because it is over the top awesomeness.
|18 weeks 4 days ago||You guys are making excuses||
Sure, the legal system declined to press charges against Winston and his university cleared him of wrongdoing in the case, but Harbaugh really still should have used a draft prep segment for Sportscenter as an opportunity to grill this guy he had never met before like a First 48 detective until he confessed to rape on national tv.
|18 weeks 4 days ago||Hoke and talent||
He seemed to struggle with the pressure of dealing with an increasingly hostile media/fanbase as the losses piled up, but his coaching didn't get weaker. Jake Ryan wasn't slacking off because Hoke didn't push him, he was playing fantastic football whether the team was winning or losing.
The roster got weaker, not the coaching, primarily on offense. Molk, Lewan, Omameh, and Schofield (award winners and NFL guys) were not replaced by players who were as good as they were. The running game never found anybody as good as Denard or Fitz (two 1,000 yard rushers now in the NFL). At WR, his first team had Hemingway (NFL player), Gallon (single season record breaker), Roundtree (3rd leading receiver in the B1G as a sophomore, huge catches against ND, OSU, Northwestern, etc.), not to mention a pretty good TE in Koger. That is a much different set of weapons than last year when Funchess drew all of the D's attention and no one else was capable of making any big plays.
Hoke's failure wasn't in being too nice, but in failing to recruit offensive players that were as good as the ones he inherited.
|18 weeks 4 days ago||The flip side||
At my old high school the freshmen team was coached by more of a player's coach (who also coached the track team) and the varsity by an asshole (who had some significant success the year before I arrived on campus).
The freshman team went undefeated pretty much every year while the varsity posted mediocre results. There was a guy a few years ahead of us who started as a sprinter, won the state championship in the high jump as a junior, and was a tall, muscular, athletic dude, basically a prototype WR. The head coach called him "Forest Gump" on a near-constant basis. He quit football to focus on track instead. My buddy was on a league winning 4x100M relay team (he was a junior with three buff, very fast dudes who were a year ahead of us). All four guys ended up quitting the football team at some point due to either a complete lack of playing time in favor of way less athletic guys or just getting sick of the abusive atmosphere (all three older guys were black, and I'm pretty sure there was a racial element to that whole situation as well). Two offensive linemen on those teams ended up turning down interest/offers from places like Oregon State and South Carolina because they were just sick of football by the time they graduated.
If you're such a dick that the most talented guys end up not playing or leaving the team entirely, you aren't doing yourself any favors and your record will probably reflect that.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Unlike Jameis||
I had to pay for my crabs.
Thanks guys, I'll be here all week!
|18 weeks 5 days ago||IU||
Has Yogi announced he's coming back? Thought that was still up in the air and that with a degree in hand he was more likely to leave.
EDIT: Looks like he's announcing on the 25th. From a Ruth's Chris steakhouse. That smells like NBA to me.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Weird||
The ESPN100 list for 2009 for some reason cuts off at 99, so that one was my mistake. Sorry for the lying accusation.
You are still being dishonest about all your other bitching. You leave off Teske, because you don't have a leg to stand on there (he is and will be ranked in everybody's top 100 when those full rankings are out, ESPN just happens to cut off at 60 for the time being). You're being prematurely alarmist about Davis when you cite the high rankings of guys who didn't have those rankings at the time they committed as cause for concern about his commitment. I'm not speculating about Wagner, scouts (the same people who post those rankings you adore) have said he's a top-(insert number much smaller than 100) caliber recruit, and would be ranked as such if he played in the United States. Same goes for Robinson. Bitching that he isn't ranked highly enough when there is no ranking for that kind of player is downright absurd.
That's two recruiting classes (2015 and 2016), or at least what we know of them so far. In 2013 we took three top-100 guys (the criteria you set for awesomeness). So basically all your complaints center around panicking about Austin Davis (a 16 year old Beilein was eager to land), worrying DJ Wilson can't be any good because he just missed that top-100 cutoff (124 on the 247composite), and bitching about guys we added late in the 2014 class after mass attrition, guys who also turned out to be pretty good players as freshmen.
I have no idea what you see as "par" but I think Beilein is doing a bang up job on the recruiting trail. If you disagree, move to Vegas and bet against the team going forward. Stop inventing new cartoon alter egos every few weeks to come here and bitch about it.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Disingenuous||
Darius Morris was not an ESPN top-100 player, so there is lie number one. Neither was LeVert, who lucky for you came back to school or that would be another guy drafted who wasn't in the top-100 on ESPN.
The ESPN 100 doesn't exist for 2016 kids (it is only the top-60). Teske is #100 on the 247composite and has been rising steadily. As has been pointed out to you many times, guys like GRIII, Hardaway, and Stauskas were not ranked that highly when they originally committed, and they did so later in the process than Teske and Davis. There is no reason to think those guys can't/won't continue to climb the rankings.
Moritz Wagner is foreign and therefore not really scouted by the American recruiting services. Many people have described him as at minimum a top-100 talent.
Chatman was a top-100 guy who I assume you are counting.
Then you seem to be ignoring someone, because even if you include Hatch (whose final rankings were sort of hurt by, you know, falling out of the sky and almost dying), our 10th guy back was Derrick Walton (top-100). The 11th was Zak Irvin (top-100). The 12th was Mark Donnal (top-100 on ESPN).
Unless you are counting Duncan Robinson number 10, and ignoring the fact that he would not have been ranked at the time he decided to transfer (because that isn't how those rankings work), and that he certainly would have been viewed as one of the top-100 prospects in the country after being the top freshman in D-3.
In short, statement one was a lie. Statement two uses technicalities to avoid the fact that three other guys would be ranked in the top-100 if they had been ranked/evaluated at the time of their commitment or if the actual full rankings existed yet. And you ignore that the next three guys on the team were all top-100 guys on ESPN. And that adding Brown or Williams would give us another ESPN 100 guy. Or that a re-ranking would certainly put a guy like Dawkins in that group (How many freshmen had multiple 20+ point games in conference play last year? You know, actual performance rather than just stars.).
You aren't employing cold hard facts to analyze the situation. You are using selective information to act like a douche.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Agree on the Rams||
Definitely don't think both happen, just pointing out how easy it is for these teams (on their own) to come up with that kind of money.
I think Carson will be used to leverage a new stadium in San Diego (political wheels seem to already be turning down there). The Hollywood Park site is being designed to accomodate two teams (separate offices, owners box, etc.) and can then be used as continued leverage for the Raiders.
I expect the Rams in LA in 2016 with maybe the Raiders to follow if they can't get a deal done in Oakland in the next few years.
This also doesn't include the public efforts to build a new stadium in St. Louis, which could very well lure a team like Jacksonville. In short, the league is not short on cash.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Obviously it happens||
That ratio (6,000 out of 20,000) just seems high to me. Or if its accurate, it seems like more guys would/should speak up. Terry Bradshaw played with Webster. If roughly 15-20 guys from every team he played on are having the same kinds of issues, you would think he wouldn't be on TV every week promoting the hell out of NFL football, or that Howie Long wouldn't allow his kids to play if such a big chunk of his former teammates were on their way to being completely incapacitated mentally.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Stadium||
The proposed budget for the Hollywood Park stadium being built by Stan Kroenke is $1.86 billion. The proposed Carson stadium is $1.7 billion.
That's two buildings in a city that still doesn't have a team or a concrete plan for one.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Article||
It says the NFL thinks 1/3 of former players will develop Alzheimers or dementia? Does that seem incredibly high to anyone else? I mean from an actual estimate standpoint.
We see plenty of retired players on TV regularly and I don't get the impression that every other guy they know from their playing days is having major mental health problems.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Memory?||
McGary missed the entire B1G season and the tourney with his back injury. Whatever luck was involved in keeping him for a second year was pretty much mitigated by the fact that he didn't play that second year anyway.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Not arguing your larger point||
Just want to point out that some of those guys became "elite talents" after committing. GRIII was a 3-star who wasn't offered by Purdue, IU, or ND. He blew up over the course of his senior year, but when he signed he was basically an Austin Davis level recruit (a guy who also has a year to climb the rankings if his play continues to improve). Hardaway ended up just a 3-star on the composite. Stauskas was a 3-star when he committed who climbed into the top-100 as more people scouted him. That is 3 NBA draft picks (obviously elite-level talent) whose rankings didn't reflect their ability when they signed on.
To your program identity point, I think we're already at a level above Wisconsin and have been. McGary, Irvin, Walton, and Chatman were all top-rated guys pursued by just about everybody. Wisconsin isn't getting those guys unless they are from Wisconsin (a'la Dekker). They also aren't in on guys like Brown or the guys you mentioned who ended up choosing other powerhouse programs. Obviously we want to land as many of those guys as we can get, but that is pretty damn hard when you're going up against UK, Duke, Kansas, UCLA, etc. Hopefully another great run this year will cement us in the group that elite prospects can and do consider.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Very exciting||
That development and the surprises in store for next year are going to be a lot of fun. You have an incredible foundation in place with LeVert/Irvin/Walton/Spike. You could maybe even throw Dawkins in there after some of his freshman accomplishments. Then you have an incredibly long list of guys poised to become contributors or flat-out explode. How much better can Donnal be if he improves his shot and doesn't have to guard the 5? Wilson has a ton of potential we haven't even seen yet. Robinson shot 45% from 3 at Williams. And he's 6'8". How does Doyle look when his conditioning and confidence improve after a year on campus?
Wagner (Who knows how good he could be?), Chatman (Does he begin growing into his body and become the guy people forecast out of high school?), maybe another blue-chip guy who could still end up on this team.
Going to be an absolute blast watching this team win and continue to develop.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Obviously it is important to sustain success||
Panicking that we won't because guys who aren't here yet don't have enough stars next to their name is what is silly.
Next year's team is loaded with talent and experience. We're also still recruiting blue-chip guys who may be here in the fall (the 8th guy off the bench is likely to be a top-100 recruit, maybe with a couple years experience) and are definitely going to add to the 2016 class.
We've got a coach who has more than earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to talent evaluation. Let's let him do his job and just enjoy the product he continues to put on the floor. For those of us who lived through far darker times, having the good ones marred with so much damn negativity is a real pain in the ass.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Missing the tourney||
Florida missed two years in a row after winning back-to-back titles and again this past season after a great 4 year run. UK missed just a few years ago with a similar parade of one-and-done stars. UCONN missed the tourney in 2007, 2010, 2013, and this past season. UCLA missed twice in three seasons after their run of three straight Final Fours under Howland. These are still top-20 programs.
From a program that missed the tourney for a decade, we've gone Round of 32, B1G co-champs upset in first round, national runner-up, Elite Eight and B1G champs, then missed the tourney after losing three sophomores to the NBA (and another early entrant from the year before), graduated our starting center, saw the back-up transfer, and had our two top returners miss long stretches with injury.
Next year's team should be really good and if they are we will be continuing an incredible run with one small, though entirely understandable hiccup. State had guys like Payne and Harris at the same time Michigan was going on that great recent run. Panicking because they are still getting good recruits is the only spaz activity I see related to Michigan basketball.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||And Spike.||
And Hardaway. And all the guys he got at WVU.
Also have to love the list of "low ranked recruits" (after dismissing Walton, Irvin, and Chatman as guys who for some reason don't count) includes three more top-100 guys and a dude that just put up three 20+ point games in conference play, and scored 18 in a win at the BTT (but that definitely wouldn't count as an instant impact from a true freshman).
The concern trolling about the direction of the basketball program based entirely on star rankings and comparisons to Duke/UK is fucking infuriating.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Caris and Irvin||
They are better players than the Harrison twins, no matter what some hamburger company says.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Now have a good coach||
Mike Montgomery went to the tourney for 10 straight years at Stanford, took them to their first Final Four in 50+ years, then made it back to the Elite Eight four years later (their second run that deep in the tourney in 50+ years).
Then he retired. A few years later he took the Cal job. He made the tourney 4 times in 6 seasons. He had a winning season in conference play every year he was there. He retired again.
Cuonzo Martin took the Cal job immediately after that and went 7-11 in the Pac-12.
The idea that the Golden Bears have a good coach is kind of up for debate. The idea that they "now" have a good coach is fucking absurd. Montgomery > Martin, every day of the week until proven otherwise.
|18 weeks 5 days ago||Last year||
Cliff Alexander played 17 mpg at Kansas this past year (he was #4 on the 247 composite). Mudiay went to China and from what I hear didn't set the world on fire.
Obviously most highly rated guys play, because they commit to teams that need/want them to step in right away. They don't typically go to schools where a guy has turned down potentially being a late 1st round pick to come back to school. Ulis and Booker didn't start at Kentucky because the Harrison twins came back. Our most highly rated guy last year (#27 overall on the composite) was the least productive of our 4 freshmen who were healthy enough to play.
If he's not going to come off the bench it probably means he's not coming here, or people will once again be bitching every time we lose that we have no size and get dominated in the paint.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||One or two||
That could be big. If he's willing/interested in staying two years (something I think I heard he said, but if you're going to be a top-10 pick that is hard to turn down) then he could really become a monster in addition to making a huge impact here. Be the first guy off the bench in year one and learn the system, probably playing multiple spots. Then replace Caris at the 2 on a team with potentially Walton/Irvin/Robinson/BigGuy in the starting lineup, and a ton of depth and other options.
That lineup would seem to create a great fit for his game and an opportunity to really shine as a college player (rather than just as a NBA potential guy).
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Who doesn't have him going in the first round?||
Honestly, if you can find a mock draft that doesn't have him going in the first round this year or next year it would be the first I have seen.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Over who?||
Caris is a consensus first round pick. Irvin was rated very highly as well (top-25 IIRC) and just put up 14+ ppg in actual D-1 basketball and has been in the system for 2 years. Brown does not start over those guys coming straight from high school, IMO. And if he joins them it means Walton and Spike are on the bench (kind of awkward) or we are playing a 6'6" guy at PF again. I don't think Beilein wants that. He also values shooters, so I think elite ones like Dawkins (a guy who put up double digit points in 8 B1G games) and Robinson are going to have every opportunity to grab minutes (Irvin wins that comparison as well).
Can we stop acting like recruiting rankings are a direct reflection of a player's ability/value, especially after what we've seen on the gridiron the last few years? I would love to have Brown in the mix, but a lot of his success on the offensive end comes from driving at opponents. How often would he get to do that with Walton/Spike and Caris operating as very effective ball-handlers? Or do you really think Caris came back to sit on the bench? And how would a player like that impact the entire system Beilein is trying to run (and has run to great success here)?
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Different kind of player||
I'd be curious to find out what sort of role Beilein envisions for Brown and how he would use him. He's a player who reminds me a lot of Stanley Johnson at Arizona, and we haven't really had a guy like that in Beilein's system (not a great shot, very strong/athletic, good handle, maybe dominates the ball more than he should/will in Beilein's system, etc.).
Do we play a guy like that at the 4 (or put Irvin there) and remain a small team on D? Does he play the 2 and handle the ball quite a bit?
Seems like a very talented guy who at the same time I don't really see an immediate fit for on this team (don't see anyone pushing LeVert/Irvin out of the lineup, don't think Coach B wants to keep going small, and I don't know what spot Brown would play). It will be interesting to see how it plays out, especially if he ends up in Ann Arbor. So many fun options to think about with this team and all the depth they will have, with or without Brown/WIlliams.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Bigger||
Personally, my hope is that Robinson can defend the 4 well enough to start there. Walton/Caris/Irvin/Robinson/Doyle would be an ideal first unit, IMO (shooters putting crazy pressure on opposing defenses), with Spike/Brown or Williams or MAAR/Dawkins/Wilson in the second with the best of Donnal/Wagner/Chatman as your second guy in at the 4. That would also comply with Beilein's stated goal (a goal evidenced by recent recruiting moves as well) to get bigger/stronger as a team.
Obviously you would have a ton of flexibility and could adjust the lineup in many ways big or small (play Walton and Spike together, play Caris at the point, drop Brown to the 4 if he can defend/rebound at that spot) as match-ups dictate.
Regardless, next year is going to be a lot of fun to watch.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Weird team last year||
Don't follow them closely, but they had a rollercoaster season last year. Went 10-3 in the non-conference with decent wins over Wyoming and Syracuse (and decent losses to Wisconsin and Texas). Then started Pac-12 play 1-6, including a blowout loss to an awful USC team (and blowouts against UCLA and .500 ASU). Then won 5 straight including a win over UCLA, then lost 5 of 6 down the stretch.
Not sure what role injuries played, but an up and down team that ended up 7-11 in conference play and didn't beat anybody with a pulse outside of the Bruins.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Reclassify||
If UM knew he wanted to switch to 2015, there really isn't any room to take him without throwing the chemistry of the team out of whack. If you have Walton and Spike on board, I can see focusing your efforts elsewhere, both for this class and at PG in the future. Can also see Thornton being more receptive to the opportunity to play from day one at Duke rather than having to compete with two guys for minutes at UM.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Not to mention||
Even a poster who did all that work would have to claim that their judgment was more valid than that of Jim Harbaugh, a guy who turned Stanford into a juggernaut on the backs of loads of guys who had few stars/offers and are now succeeding in the NFL.
This isn't a "trust the coaches" moment, it's a "trust one of the best program developers in the business who engineered a downright remarkable turnaround just a few years ago because he's awesome at finding great football players, no matter what the internet thinks of the guys he signs".
You would think we'd have learned our lesson about recruiting rankings after the Hoke era saw the team's talent level and win total diminish every year.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Failure to recruit||
The struggles in the frontcourt came about because our starters at the 4 and 5 went to the NBA after their sophomore seasons. Then the presumed replacement at center transferred to Florida.
If anything, we recruited players who were too elite, and as a result 4 of the 5 guys who should've started on last year's team were in the NBA instead. Then we got hit with an unexpected transfer and two big injuries.
In short, bitching about our basketball program is kind of insane. I thought the two deep tourney runs would bring some reason, but hopefully another great season next year does the trick.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Looking for things to complain about||
Haven't people been bitching for years that Beilein needs to make his team bigger and stronger and better on the glass? Then when he does it, there's more panic?
You aren't counting Irvin or Dawkins as guards when they can probably play that role. You're assuming no one leaves early for the NBA draft. We're going after Williams which would make a third "true" guard if we land him. And you're assuming everyone in a logjam at the 4 stays committed and at UM (decent shot whoever finds themselves on the bench may look elsewhere) and that we don't then add another blue-chip guard. Having Doyle (junior), Wilson (sophomore), Davis and Teske (freshmen) isn't some crazy overload. One guy may not pan out. Somebody might leave. Somebody (maybe Wilson) may play the four. You want at least three guys who you're comfortable putting on the floor in a game situation. Having one extra doesn't sound crazy under those circumstances.
Beilein obviously isn't done recruiting, so acting like we know what the roster will look like a year from now, and worrying about it the very second we take a commitment from a kid the staff obviously wants (coupled with the loads of criticism you know the kid received), is very premature.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||It's all silly||
Davis has a full year of high school left and by all accounts is improving rapidly. The speculation has all been fueled by people who refuse to accept Beilein and Co.'s evaluation of a 16 year old kid because the people who post on the internet haven't decided he's good yet.
There is zero reason to think Davis is planning a prep year or that a redshirt is more likely than it would be for any other player. Beilein is very patient/deliberate with dishing out offers and doesn't give them conditionally. The same worry warts were out in force last year when we took MAAR and Dawkins last year (many didn't want one, much less both since they had no stars or offers). Same happened with Spike and LeVert. Same with Doyle (many acted like he would never see the court until his 7th or 8th year on campus).
|18 weeks 6 days ago||To piggyback||
If he had a shot, he would get a shot here. The fact that he didn't play this year while Dakich and Lonergan got significant minutes, yet still didn't redshirt, should be a pretty good indication of where his physical abilities are at this point and going forward.
People seem to forget the kid literally fell out of the sky. Twice. As a result, there is a decent chance that he just won't be able to play competitive basketball at a high level again. But he can still get a degree and be a valuable member of this team/university. Pretty much a fairy tale ending to the story, if you ask me.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||True||
Hatch isn't being shoved out the door because he's not good enough at basketball. He'd be freeing up a scholarship for his team because, after literally falling out of the sky, he is physically incapable of being a Division 1 basketball player.
Again, this assumes his health will never allow him to be a full-time player, but last year (when Dakich and Lonergan saw significant minutes but he was glued to the bench) gives us a pretty good indication that it might be the case.
I'm sure Austin would rather sit next to Beilein in a suit if it turns out he'll never be able to play for real and if it means helping the team get better. Not to mention, there is always the possibility of a senior-night waiver to get him one last hurrah at Crisler.
If this kid remains a part of the program for three more years and gets his degree and somebody has a problem with that, after everything the kid went throughy, that person is just an asshole.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Down year||
We still went 8-10 and won a game in the BTT. Despite a number of close losses, we were just one game worse than the first two Beilein teams that made the tourney.
Now we add LeVert, Walton, Robinson, Wilson, Wagner, and maybe one more guy to the mix while everybody gets a year older/better. This team could be a monster.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Incredible depth||
After years of 6'4" power forwards, walk-on PG, and last year's extended minutes for Dakich, Lonergan, and Max, things are going to be dramatically different.
If we add Williams (or Brown), this is a roster where the 13th guy (whether it's Williams, Donnal, Wilson, Chatman, or Wagner) is a top-100 recruit, maybe with a year or two of college experience. Unreal.
You're talking about the team at the end of the year (that beat Illinois in the BTT and took Wisconsin down to the wire), with an extra offseason of experience/development, plus LeVert, Walton, Robinson, Wilson, Wagner, and maybe one other blue-chip recruit.
I can't wait!
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Wilson is huge||
Assuming/hoping Caris comes back, my roster hopes really hinge on DJ Wilson and whether or not he can play the 5. If he can hold up at that spot and Morford it with Doyle, we are in tremendous shape. If not, Donnal just can't play that spot (through no fault of his own, much like Smotrycz before him) and I would frankly rather have Max back than add a perimeter player.
If Doyle/Wilson can man the 5, the team gets much bigger across the board. Chatman/Wagner/Donnal can battle it out at the 4. There is a ton of depth and talent on the perimeter then with Irvin/Robinson able to play the 3 and LeVert/Dawkins at the 2. Throw in MAAR and maybe Williams, and you're talking about a team where the 13th best player on the team is a top-100 recruit, maybe with a few years of experience. Not to mention a ton of lineup flexibility when you can maybe play Caris at the point and go really big or play Spike and Walton together and go fast/small.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah||
That's the only way he squeezes in, and that is a super small lineup, something Beilein looks to be trying to get away from. That or you play Caris at the point and then Spike and Walton are on the bench, and I'm not sure that doesn't hurt your lineup (we really have no idea how good Brown will be as a college player). The first option puts Irvin in a shitty position, like Smotrycz, Novak, and GRIII of having to work above their paygrade on D against much bigger dudes. And if Brown isn't a good outside shooter the 4 out 1 in offense probably isn't as crisp or effective, especially when Dawkins and Robinson are well over 40% from beyond the arc and you'd have them on the bench.
Like I said, would love to have him, but I won't be heartbroken if he doesn't end up here and frankly I wouldn't blame him if he didn't see a role for himself on this team (again, assuming Caris is back).
|19 weeks 3 hours ago||Role?||
Obviously would love to land him, but I wonder what sort of impact he would have on this particular team, at least next year.
Assuming Caris comes back, I don't see Brown starting over him or Irvin (experienced, 14+ ppg guys). With the run of bigger guys we've picked up lately, I also don't see Beilein wanting/having to head into next season with Irvin at the 4 much of the time again.
Then when you look at the other wings available off the bench, guys like Dawkins and Robinson have proven to be high level outside shooters (and Dawkins had a number of big games against quality competition). I think Beilein wants guys like that on the floor, so if we aren't going small there are fewer minutes available if/when those guys see the court.
Can never have too many weapons, but I see a guy who may not have a huge role on next year's team, and who probably doesn't want that, given where he's projected in the draft already.
|19 weeks 2 days ago||Bama loves Dallas||
Or is it the other way around? The Tide played us there in 2012, play Wisconsin this year, and play USC in Big D next year.
Wondering if they are the only fanbase dumb/desperate enough to repeatedly pay the silly ticket prices for a game so far from campus.
|19 weeks 2 days ago||Why?||
Sorry that happened, but curious what could piss someone off that much at a non-league friendly outside the country either team is from. Just booze?
|19 weeks 2 days ago||Options||
Obviously anything can happen in the tourney, so hard to predict, but I agree next year's team should be awesome, and incredibly deep.
Basically adding LeVert, Walton, Robinson, Wilson, and Wagner (maybe Williams or Brown as well) to the team we saw at the end of the year is crazy. Plus all the beneits from experience, age, development, etc.
There are a ton of lineup permutations and this certainly won't be the regular lineup, but I would love to see Caris, Dawkins, Irvin, and Robinson on the floor at the same time with a big. That length (Did someone say zone defense?) and shooting ability would be a sight to see.
Come back, Caris!
|19 weeks 2 days ago||Other legends||
Lamond Murray > Scottie Pippen
Just bad luck the Clips didn't draft Jordan.
|19 weeks 2 days ago||BRO!|
|19 weeks 2 days ago||Need something||
These are awful, but the Clippers do need a makeover. Their logo is virtually identical to that of the Lakers, just in different colors. Their road jerseys are the same as the old-school Lakers jerseys (with script Los Angeles), just in different colors.
If you look like the discount Lakers playing in the same arena, no amount of short-term success is going to change perception. Probably should have moved to Anaheim when Staples Center was being built.
|19 weeks 2 days ago||How dare you||
You clearly underestimate the historic greatness of Eric Piatkowski.
I'll try to forgive you.
|19 weeks 2 days ago||It's called a "bro"||
Get it right!
|19 weeks 2 days ago||Not conventional measurements||
Magnus probably has more in depth info on leverage points and body type, but I would think height/weight numbers aren't really indicative. Rather, frame or sheer skeleton size. Guys like Lewan and Long (or Tyron Smith who went to USC and is a Pro Bowler with the Cowboys) were pretty lean in high school, but were huge guys, if that makes sense. They added muscle and became dominant players.
It seems like the 300+ pounders in high school tend to be overrated, in contrast.
|19 weeks 2 days ago||Rightly so||
These 16 year old kids deserve a warm welcome when they make a decision like this (and are nice enough to choose the school we all love). The shit in this thread and last night has been completely disgusting. Glad it got nuked, at least in this thread.
Welcome aboard, Carter. You chose a great school to attend and for a guy who plays your position I don't think you could find a better coach anywhere in the country to spot your talents and get the most out of your natural ability. Go Blue!
|19 weeks 3 days ago||Mismatch||
People forget that Funchess was the top target on a team with basically no other credible receiving threats and an oft-struggling run game. On an NFL team he'll be option 3 or 4 in the passing game, most likely. If he finds the right fit I could see him blowing up since he gets to go against smaller/slower guys reguarly, rather than drawing double teams and #1 corners.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||Shooting||
If we can keep Caris and add Williams, you are looking at a roster with 7 guys who you'd expect to shoot at or above 40% from behind the line (LeVert did it the last two years, Irvin was at 42.5 as a freshman when he didn't have to carry the offense, Dawkins was at 43.8 last year, Spike is at 40.3 for his career, Walton hit 41 when healthy as a freshman, Robinson shot 45.6 at Williams, and Williams looks like a very good outside shooter).
With that kind of pressure on teams guarding the perimeter this team could be absolutely lethal on offense.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||Extra ecstatic|
|19 weeks 6 days ago||Real coach||
Mike Montgomery had a winning record in Pac-12 play in each of his 6 seasons at Cal. He managed the same feat in his last 11 seasons at Stanford before that.
Cuonzo Martin posted a losing record in his first and only season at Cal immediately following Montgomery's retirement.
So it would appear you know little to nothing about Cal specifically or Pac-12 basketball in general.
|21 weeks 1 day ago||Still on scholarship||
He also wouldn't lose his scholarship or have to leave UM. I'm also pretty sure Beilein could find him a role as a team manager or something like that if he can't perform physically.
The question is really about whether or not he'll ever be healthy enough to play D-1 basketball. If he can come back in the next couple of years, then great. But if that isn't realistic, it doesn't make sense to limit who the team can bring in, especially when Austin still gets a free education and probably remains close to the team. I don't think any sane person would have a problem with that decision.
|21 weeks 1 day ago||Lots of options||
If Caris comes back this team has a plethora of options and loads of potential. My only real worry/hope is that Wilson can come back from injury and compete at the 5. Donnal, like Smotrycz before him, just can't play that spot (not that he should have to, both were thrust into a tough role that doesn't really fit their skillset).
If Wilson can help Doyle to cover most/all of the minutes at the 5 with solid defense and rebounding, Donnal/Chatman/Wagner (maybe Robinson) gives you loads of versatile options at the 4. Levert and Irvin can be backed up by Dawkins and Robinson. You can go small and play Spike and Walton together. You can go huge and play Levert at the point and maybe put a guy like Wagner at the three if his outside shot improves a little.
If Brown commits shit gets bananas.
|21 weeks 1 day ago||White guy||
Learn the code.
|21 weeks 1 day ago||3-point shooting||
Should be noted that those numbers are coming with the FIBA 3-point line, which is a little over a foot deeper than the NCAA line.
GRIII was about a 30% shooter from distance, and helped stretch the defense quite a bit. If Wagner's floor is at that level that is a major positive, and a big upgrade from this past season when either Chatman struggled from outside or we played a smaller guy at the 4.
|21 weeks 1 day ago||Final Four piggyback||
A west coast writer mentioned the other day that since the mid 1960's only four current Pac-12 schools have made the Final Four (UCLA, Arizona, Stanford, and Utah before they joined the conference).
In that same time, in addition to the schools you mentioned, Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota, and Rutgers have all been to the Final Four.
11 of the 14 members have made the Final Four at least once in the last 40 years (Rutgers went in 1976). Crazy depth.
|21 weeks 3 days ago||"Michigan can choose to keep it simple"||
This is really the issue for me, and is way more important than supplier. Adidas probably gets a bad rap in part because their relationship with UM has coincided with the Dave Brandon era. UA doesn't do goofy shit to Auburn's football uniforms. Nike doesn't do goofy shit with USC or Texas or Bama. Adidas can't force Indiana to wear their dumbass special b-ball tourney uniforms.
I think coming from the world of soccer (where uniforms subtly change every year to get people buying new kits) hurts the Adidas approach somewhat (they seem to make a lot of change for change sake and are a lot busier with their design extras like trim and piping). But if we told whatever company we go with to make the uniforms look like the Cazzie Russell throwbacks or the '89 team or the Fab Five era and just put a company logo on the lapel, I don't care what that company logo says.
|21 weeks 3 days ago||History||
Texas has been to one Final Four in the last 65 years. They just fired the coach who took them there. Texas has been to the Elite Eight four times in the last 65 years. Three of those times the coach was the guy they just fired.
Smart is a good hire, but the idea that Texas wasn't meeting expectations under Barnes is kind of ridiculous. Without him there were no expectations at all.
|21 weeks 3 days ago||On the bright side||
Now Fez has time to soak up all that sweet dong he's been missing out on all these years.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Patrice||
His wife/girlfriend is raising money for a feature length documentary on his life/career titled "Better Than You". Something to check out if you are a fan.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Quite a contrast||
Eddie was only 22 years old when he filmed Delirious.
|22 weeks 2 hours ago||Barnes' resume||
People here seem to think Texas is a way better job than it is. Barnes took them to their only Final Four since the 1940's. He went to the Elite Eight three times in total (UT had gone one other time since the 1940's prior to his arrival). He made the tourney 16 times in 17 years, and got to at least the Sweet Sixteen roughly a third of the time. Before that he took Clemson to the Sweet Sixteen for only the third time in their history.
Obviously the guy is a victim of his own success and expectations that don't necessarily jive with reality. The odds the next guy in Austin does any better than Barnes are pretty low.
|23 weeks 2 days ago||Nice post||
Could have been shorter. Anybody who has a problem with Funchess or any other UM athlete can get fucking bent.
They owe you nothing. Funchess provided more than most (1,700+ yards and 15 TD). Shut your trap.
|23 weeks 2 days ago||Agree, for now||
The Coliseum has a great skeleton but a ton of issues. For decades its operation was controlled by a quasi-governmental body called the Coliseum Commission that basically prevented any meaningful improvements.
Now SC owns the property and is about to sink mega bucks into the renovations. If that process looks anything like the rest of the building spree they've been on in the neighborhood the last decade, the Coliseum will be able to compete with the newly renovated Big House as two of the top facilities in the country.
|23 weeks 4 days ago||Not unprecedented||
Last year at USC Drevno moved Max Tuerk to center. He had started games at both tackle and both guards spots as an underclassman prior to Drevno's arrival. Moved to center and was 1st team All-Pac12.
So I'm just going to go ahead and assume Mason Cole will be awesome this fall.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||Matt Kalil||
He left early and was taken 4th overall. He was replaced by young guys (Aundrey Walker who moved to guard and ended up getting benched as a senior this past season) and Max Tuerk (a freshman at the time now playing center). Barkley, who was always a bit of a chucker even in high school, was now under pressure way more often and doubled his interception total.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||Didn't they have to?||
I remember hearing they were in danger of not meeting the league's minimum salary commitments. With guys not really wanting to sign there, they basically had to find ways to throw money at guys in order to comply with league rules.
No wonder they got Harbaugh.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||Some do, some don't||
Therefore, assuming "they do" is dumb. Also, improving as a player is not the same thing as improving your draft stock.
Matt Barkley came back to a ton of fanfare and ended up a 4th round pick. Tim Tebow stayed in school and was a 1st round pick. JaMarcus Russell never would have been the #1 pick if he stays in school another year. Mike Hart was pretty much the same, very good, player from the moment he arrived on campus until he left four years later, but he still went in the 6th round. There isn't really any rhyme or reason to it. And in football, so much depends on health, surrounding talent, and loads of other factors that have nothing to do with the player and can change in a flash.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||Trent Richardson||
Didn't stay in school. He left Bama after three years.
Also, the idea that staying in school makes it more or less likely that you'll move up in the NFL draft is a pretty dumb assumption.
|24 weeks 4 hours ago||Hatch||
Or the oft-discussed Austin Hatch medical scholarship.
|24 weeks 4 hours ago||No relation||
Would more likely mean Max gets the firm handshake, freeing up a scholarship. Brown may be more likely to commit if Caris is out the door (from a playing time perspective), but him coming on board doesn't crunch our numbers at this point.
|24 weeks 5 hours ago||Hockey||
Not sure why it isn't included separately in that report, but I would like to know the hockey specific numbers. Does the program make money or just produce enough revenue to break even? For some reason women's basketball is included (big money loser, less than $100,000 in ticket sales) but hockey is just lumped in with "other sports".
|24 weeks 5 hours ago||Michigan sells the jerseys||
Those jerseys sold in the numbers they did because those guys played at Michigan. I bet Darron Thomas sold a ton of jerseys at Oregon. I bet he doesn't sell any now that he's with the Portland Thunder in the Arena League. And the second he left they started putting another guy's number on those UO jerseys and they kept selling. And I'd bet the value of his contract now is less than the scholarship package he received at UO.
Nobody gives a shit about second tier sports outside of the NCAA system. Mike Hart at Michigan sold jerseys. Mike Hart without a world famous university with legions of fans has zero market value, especially coming out of high school. College athletes (even the ones who aren't great players like Hart) get more than they would in terms of market value than they would in any minor league system. And they do so in far, far greater numbers (the number of guys getting a shot in an XFL, USFL, Arena League would not include 100+ teams with rosters double the size).
|24 weeks 5 hours ago||To go further||
TV companies use player likenesses to sell their product. Commercials feature guys like Winston and Manziel. When that is happening and the guys can't profit from it then it is total bullshit.
If a player can't sell his likeness/name, fine, but you can't sell it to ESPN and pocket the cash.
|24 weeks 5 hours ago||Something new||
This is really the first group that didn't all immediately jump en masse to the NBA. It will be interesting to see if it is just a one-time occurrence, or if it creates a logjam that Coach Calipari has to deal with differently going forward.
Could be kind of funny to see all the people who bitched about one and dones complaining that UK is graduating players instead of shipping them off to the pros quickly enough if/when they start winning with veteran teams.
|24 weeks 5 hours ago||Success||
In the last 9 years (Memphis and UK), Calipari's second worst season finished with a trip to the Sweet Sixteen. 7 trips to the regional final, four Final Fours, three title game appearances, and one title. This is year 10 and that trend doesn't look to be in any danger.
In the same time period, Coach K has 2 trips to the regional final (same as Michigan) and won one title. Arizona has made the regional final twice (Sean Miller made it a third time in that span at Xavier as well). Bill Self has made the regional final 4 times in that span with 2 title game appearances and one championship.
Maybe the gap doesn't appear great to some folks, but at this point Calipari's on-court success is greater than his peers at even other blue-blood programs.
|24 weeks 6 hours ago||The other side||
There's also the risk they don't experience that mass exodus. The team is so good this year because it has veteran guys who were assumed to be out the door but came back, not just the one and done parade they typically bring in. The Harrison's are sophomores with loads of experience. Cauley-Stein is a junior. A couple of the bench guys are sophomores and juniors.
And as these guys get further away from their high school hype, it seems less likely the NBA will spend a high pick on them. And more likely that new guys will come in and take what few minutes they are getting already. Are guys like the Harrisons, Poythress, and Dakari Johnson going to leave at this point to be 2nd round picks?
|24 weeks 6 hours ago||Pocket money||
Some amount of spending money is factored into the scholarship amount they receive, just like with any student who is on some sort of financial aid package. UM allows about $2,200 for the academic year. Over the 9 months that is roughly $60 a week. If 7 dudes on the team live in a house and get cheaper rent per man than allotted by their scholarship, they save a little cash there too. They also get a mountain of free swag, so save on clothing costs compared to the average student.
And I find it hard to fathom how the parents who presumably fed and clothed them a year prior (I personally know of no student athletes who were working their way through high school) are now completely incapable of providing even a few bucks here and there to cover emergency meals or the occasional outfit or night out.
|24 weeks 6 hours ago||Gotta go somewhere||
It seems like he's already visited the other blue-chip programs going after him and doesn't look to have a strong preference or a leader at this point, as far as I can tell. Haven't followed closely so maybe others know more, but if we're getting some consideration and there is no presumed favorite (other than just an assumption he'll pick a UK or UNC based on name recognition, as opposed to a guy like Marshall in football who was assumed to be going to a specific school for a long time), then you have to figure we at least have a legit shot to make a great impression.
If he's seen what they have to offer and is still looking, that has to be a good sign and reason for at least mild optimism.
|24 weeks 9 hours ago||Answers||
Millions are being generated because people love their schools and want to see them win. So they buy tickets to games, often at high prices when mandatory donations and other factors are added to the equation. Some folks even just give the school gobs of money (Ross at UM, for example). That love also causes fans with more average incomes to demand to see all of their teams games on TV. Cable companies have exploited that in a manner that charges everybody else at an inflated rate for college sports content (such that your grandma who doesn't give a shit about sports is paying just as much for ESPN Ocho as a diehard fan who has to have it or he'll miss his alma mater's non-conference lacrosse schedule).
As for who is benefitting, construction companies and developers who build all the shiny new buildings schools are putting up, athletes in non-revenue sports who get lots of shiny stuff (revenue sport athletes benefit from the facilities and perks, but you could argue they've earned it), and coaches who now command more money because they are seen as the determining factor in how successful this enormous financial enterprise will be.
|24 weeks 9 hours ago||Not just paying for it||
Parents also worry about their kids getting into school. There is immense value for many student athletes because they are very often getting admitted to a school they otherwise would not have.
Not sure what the free market value of getting admitted to various schools would be, but it is just another bonus people like to gloss over.
|24 weeks 10 hours ago||Value||
It also ends up being a whole lot more money than any of these kids would get in the D-League or Arena Football.
The reason there is money involved at all is because of the schools and the emotional connection fans/students/alums have with them. 99% of college athletes would receive jack shit if the schools were out of the picture and they just got their "market value".
|24 weeks 2 days ago||2004||
That team deserved to get in. Finished 5th in the Big Ten, then beat #4 Iowa in the conference tourney before losing to Illinois. The conference only got three teams into the tournament. Conference USA got 6 bids. We won the NIT.
If that momentum of making the tournament is able to build, then maybe things go a little differently and we get one or two extra players. Similarly, if the 2009 team (the league only had two ranked teams again, just like in 2004) that finished tied for 7th doesn't get in, what do things look like in the middle of year 4 for Beilein when we start the conference season 1-6?
|24 weeks 2 days ago||Can't coach at the highest level||
He's won an NCAA tournament game in each of the last two years. At a school that hadn't made the tournament since the 1940's before his arrival.
Blanchard and Horton were both 1st team All-Conference players at UM.
Amaker's time here was disappointing because the team didn't get over the hump, but it isn't like we sucked at basketball. He had a shitty first season and a shitty third one when Horton was out. Other than that we were a .500 team in the Big Ten. In those days that just wasn't good enough to make the tourney (unlike in Beilein's first two tourney appearances). The guy had 2 losing seasons out of 6 in the Big Ten. Tom Crean has 4 in 8 seasons at IU.
The only real mistake he made here was in thinking Horton was a point guard and never bringing in anybody else to run the offense. Most of the bitching about his "system" came down to not really having a playmaker like Morris or Burke to set things in motion.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||3rd in catches||
7th in yards. Considering he played on a team that threw 10 TD all season long, not nearly as bad as people make it out to be, especially with the injuries factored in.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Not to mention||
He led the team in receiving by an enormous margin. 55% more receiving yards than Darboh (the #2 WR) and 376% more than Chesson (#3 WR). He had the only catch over 34 yards and twice as many TD as Darboh (Chesson and Norfleet didn't have any).
His numbers were also virtually identical to the year before when he had a healthy, functional QB some of the time and Gallon on the other side.
If Funchess wasn't trying, I'd hate to know what everybody else on the team was doing.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Not bad||
That seems like a solid deal, all things considered. And on the bright side, in a stadium that size I doubt there is really a bad seat anywhere.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Tickets||
We've discussed going and making it part of an extended road trip, but I have a feeling tickets are going to be pretty bonkers. The stadium only holds 45,000, this is the biggest name they've had visit in who knows how long, plus you have the Harbaugh hype on our end.
Just have a feeling tickets are going to be more than I'd like to spend for one non-conference game. Would be nice to go, but I'd probably rather put $500 back in my pocket and watch on TV. That being said, I will almost assuredly pull the trigger one night while drunkenly scanning StubHub.
|27 weeks 4 days ago||Respect?||
Or maybe a guy like Brandon took credit for giving the athletes all the stuff they would have gotten as Michigan athletes no matter who the athletic director was.
I can kind of sort of picture a world in which he'd be the kind of guy to take credit for shit he didn't really have anything to do with. Then if the kids think he's the reason they are getting cool stuff, they'll not surprisingly defend him if he's attacked.
|27 weeks 4 days ago||Who said that?||
This also seems like a bit of a straw man argument since Robinson is not in the D-League and has a guaranteed contract (i.e. he's got access to NBA resources and is getting paid).
If he doesn't stick in the league it will be because he's an athletic 3 who doesn't shoot or handle the ball very well (at least by NBA standards). Coming out too early or (in his opinion, probably) too late won't have anything to do with the end result. In the meantime he'll have a million bucks in the bank and a year of NBA experience (even if it is with the T-Wolves).
|27 weeks 4 days ago||Doesn't seem like an eligibility issue||
As pointed out, some guys stay four years and still are close but not quite good enough to play in the NBA (Daniel Horton comes to mind as a UM guy, who has played in the D-League and overseas, despite being Freshman of the Year and an all-conference player multiple times).
There just aren't that many spots in the league, and a lot of them are taken by veteran guys. I don't see eligibility rules changing how the story ends for these sorts of guys.
|28 weeks 42 min ago||Crappy football||
While obviously Iowa hasn't been a terribly entertaining team to watch under Ferentz (save maybe that Brad Banks team that went to the Orange Bowl), I don't know where the idea that they have sucked lately comes from. They had one shitty season in 2012. Other than that they've been about what you would expect from Iowa relative to the other programs in the conference.
Last year they were in the middle of the pack in the western division (behind Nebraska and Wisconsin which you would expect, and also Minnesota which is I guess a bit of a letdown for them, but ahead of Illinois, Purdue, and Northwestern). The year before that they were #3 in the B1G (same record as Nebraska but beat them head to head).
They've been .500 or better in B1G play in 12 of the last 14 seasons. Do people really expect more from a program that shares a league with traditional powers like UM, OSU, PSU, and Nebraska?
|28 weeks 55 min ago||Northwestern||
Since that special 1995 season (more than the lifetime of current recruits), they have been a decent team more often than not. Fitzgerald is 60-53 over his 9 years there (and is still just 40 years old).
At that point things like being Chicago-adjacent and benefitting from the superior academics at NU start to factor into the equation in a way they wouldn't have back in the days of abject awfulness in Wildcat football. Picking NU over UI seems pretty logical to me, at this point.
|28 weeks 1 hour ago||Cost||
$395 (for close to the worst seats in the building) amounts to $56 per ticket over 7 games. Two of those games are against Illinois State and North Texas. Let's generously say those games are worth $20 a piece on the open market, and you are still talking about the season ticket price (you know, where you are supposed to get value because you're going to every game and making a bigger investment) being over $150 a game for a pair of tickets to see Pitt, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, and Purdue. Would anyone who isn't a batshit crazy Hawkeye fanatic pay that much to see one of those games?
That's the problem.
UPDATE: Just checked the Iowa website and noticed that someone willing to skip that big rivalry game with Maryland could spend the same $150 on a pair of season tickets to all 20 UI baseball games. Just $125 if you are bringing your kid between the ages of 6-18. Kids 5 and under are free, so you can take the whole gang for a low price if you're a serious breeder.
|28 weeks 3 days ago||Don't think of Spike as "gritty"||
He's short and white, sure, but he is a very, very skilled player. He impresses me by dribbling circles around guys, making circus passes/shots, and hitting super long range threes. He plays hard, but making hustle plays would be way down the list of things he excels at, IMO.
And Jordan Morgan has to be on the list.
|28 weeks 4 days ago||Short memory||
I like how they always conveniently forget that Bo basically ran the triple option with guys like Michael Taylor and Demetrius Brown and the only QB he ever had who was a better thrower than runner/option-decision-maker was probably Harbaugh.