is there such a thing as an etsy genuis? if so, this is it.
|1 day 4 hours ago||To your point||
As great and fun to watch as Hart was, he wasn't as good as the guys at places like Ohio State, Texas, and USC, and that is part of the reason why we went 0-6 against those teams when he was here.
To Magnus's point, the only real breakaway guys I can think of off the top of my head are Denard and maybe Breaston (though his magic was pretty much all reserved for special teams). Other than those two you probably have to go back to mid-90's backs like Tim and Tyrone to find a guy who would outrun the field if given a chance.
|5 days 16 hours ago||Timeline||
Good rundown, but just want to point out that in practice a blueshirt doesn't pay a dime unless there is some kind of shenanigans from the coaching staff (as you point out, nothing is guaranteed to them, technically). It's a "wink-wink, you'll get a scholarship the second you arrive situation" rather than a tryout.
The guy I mentioned in my prior post, Clayton Johnson who is headed to USC, is going to show up on campus and will be given a scholarship immediately. The blueshirt thing is just a loophole so they can bring in 26 guys rather than 25, by counting Johnson's scholarship against the 2016 class (similar to the backdating you can do for guys who enroll early). It's only of interest and a viable option because SC is still well below the 85 scholarship limit and not in the position of traditional oversigning schools that need to cut guys off the current roster.
As such, I really don't see it becoming a terribly common practice. If a school like Bama is signing 25 guys a year (which requires a lot of built in attrition) and trying to get extra scholarship guys in the door when they don't have the numbers available before making big roster cuts I would think this shit gets shut down pronto.
|5 days 20 hours ago||Wouldn't do us any good||
The practice only has any value if you are signing a full class of 25 guys, can't backdate early enrolees to the prior class, and are still under the 85 total scholarship limit.
UM signed 14 guys this year, so next year can legally bring in 28 to replace 14 departing seniors. So this isn't really something we need to think or worry about anytime soon, most likely.
USC took one guy like this because they couldn't backdate (sanctions on prior class) and were still well short of 85 total guys (due to the sanctions). One lineman who just knew he wanted to go there didn't bother with visits or the recruiting process and they were able to sign one extra guy. The lineman will go on scholarship as soon as he arrives on campus and will count toward the next class's total.
If you have one sure bet in the class, you may hold back on having him visit officially just in case, but I doubt the situation ever comes up here or is that useful/common in most instances. An extra guy now still counts down the road, and the way the numbers add up you are usually not going to have enough total scholarships to take that many guys anyway.
EDIT: The practice also really doesn't apply to preferred walk-ons, unless the coach is an idiot. The guy going to USC is a 4-star recruit. If you are taking up any of your 85 scholarships on guys who might otherwise be preferred walk-ons, you aren't getting ahead of the game at all.
|1 week 2 hours ago||And produced the Butkus Award winner last year||
A true sophomore who was pretty much not recruited by anybody out of high school. I'm sure he's super pissed to be associated with that "shit show".
|1 week 22 hours ago||Money||
IIRC, it is still one of the most expensive sports to fund in terms of scholarships, equipment, etc. Even with a venue in place, it would cost a lot more than other sports (which is part of the reason we got men's and women's lacrosse at the same time).
|1 week 5 days ago||What people?||
No one said Ryan wasn't that good (at most people maybe doubted the efficacy of moving him to MLB, which I still think was a mistake, despite his fantastic play at that spot since it wasn't worth the loss in pass rush ability). Folks who didn't think Clark played well just weren't paying attention. He regularly beat his guy only to see the ball quickly out of the QBs hand this past season. The folks who know (coaches) voted him 2nd team all-conference as a junior even though his numbers weren't off the charts. And the NFL scooped him up quickly despite off-field problems.
Throw in the loss of Taylor/Countess and you have a ton of question marks and no reason for optimism based on the team-building and recruiting prowess of Brady Hoke (outside of maybe Peppers, like I mentioned).
|1 week 5 days ago||Losses||
Frank Clark wasn't just the best guy on the team, he was a top talent who went in the 2nd round of the NFL draft. And we lose Beyer opposite him who was the #2 guy in sacks and solid against the run. Ryan was a Butkus finalist on a team that was horrendously bad. We need to replace something like 40 TFL between those guys to tread water.
Even if Peppers is the revelation many assume he'll be, this team is going to have a hard time getting appreciably better on defense. Combined with an offense that isn't exactly primed for improvement this looks to me like a long year.
On the bright side, Harbaugh will get the benefit of the doubt and be allowed to build the fantastic team he's capable of putting together.
|1 week 5 days ago||Could be worse||
The offense lost its best skill position player (by a mile) and a QB who, before being the last man left on a sinking ship, accounted for 50 TD in his first year and a half as a starter.
Unless there are a ton of surprises, the offense isn't going to get much better, even with Harbaugh at the helm.
|2 weeks 3 hours ago||Context this year||
Illinois and Maryland have both hit 50 home runs (tied for 21st nationally). Texas A&M, Miami, and FSU are the only Power 5 schools with more. MSU has hit 43. Cal leads the Pac-12 with 41 while league leader UCLA has 28.
The Big Ten isn't better simply because the big boys stopped hitting as many home runs. While overall numbers did drop, the Big Ten (at least among the top teams) is hitting home runs at pretty much the same rate as everybody else.
|2 weeks 5 hours ago||Baseball power numbers||
Illinois has hit 50 HR this year to their opponents' 20. They aren't playing small ball. The IU team that went to Omaha hit 53 HR to their opponents' 18. As for changes, the seams on the ball were lowered this year and power numbers have gone up nationally, yet the Big Ten is thriving.
The Big Ten is not a small-ball conference in the way, say, the Big West is (where teams like Fullerton, Irvine, Long Beach, and Santa Barbara have had success with big ballparks and few home runs).
Expansion (Maryland and Nebraska are/were solid programs), coaching (which in college baseball is a lot about roster building/management with limited scholarships), and investment have made the difference in the conference.
|2 weeks 6 hours ago||Facts||
Countess first came to Michigan and wore #18. 1+8=9. Then he switched to #2. 9+2=11.
9/11, dude. 9/11.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Prep year||
The rumor gained traction because of people who doubted Davis when he committed based on old highlight clips and a low recruiting profile. He's now a top-100 player on 247, ESPN has him ranked above centers going to OSU and UCLA, and he will probably rise in some of the other rankings as he gets scouted more extensively and continues to improve physically.
A prep year was never planned and isn't going to happen.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Trend||
Since the 25th of April, the only people to pick UK are three Kentucky guys and the doofus from Inside the Hall who keeps changing his pick literally multiple times a day. Maybe the UK guys know something, but the panic is overblown and based on pretty much nothing.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||"Avoid the clap"||
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Pinky's a dickhead||
He freaked out about the rankings for a 16 year old kid and said a bunch of awful shit about a young man who committed to play basketball at a school he's ostensibly a fan of. People pointed out both that the rankings were likely to improve (as they did with guys like Stauskas, GRIII, etc.) and that the kids Beilein offers tend to end up being good at basketball regardless of their ranking (a'la Burke, Spike, LeVert, Dawkins, etc.).
That's why he's been repeatedly banned from this site and makes up new cartoon characters a few times a year so he can return and post his uninformed horseshit incessantly.
There is no reason to argue with him.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Chris Sabo and Hal Morris||
Played on the same UM team as Larkin.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Vacqueyras||
Olivier Ravoire, 2010. Not great.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Kali-Ma!||
How dare you! I actually like the third one, but no one eats monkey brains in it. And no one gets their beating heart ripped out of their chest cavity
Raiders holds up because of nostalgia. Temple of Doom holds up because it is over the top awesomeness.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||You guys are making excuses||
Sure, the legal system declined to press charges against Winston and his university cleared him of wrongdoing in the case, but Harbaugh really still should have used a draft prep segment for Sportscenter as an opportunity to grill this guy he had never met before like a First 48 detective until he confessed to rape on national tv.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Hoke and talent||
He seemed to struggle with the pressure of dealing with an increasingly hostile media/fanbase as the losses piled up, but his coaching didn't get weaker. Jake Ryan wasn't slacking off because Hoke didn't push him, he was playing fantastic football whether the team was winning or losing.
The roster got weaker, not the coaching, primarily on offense. Molk, Lewan, Omameh, and Schofield (award winners and NFL guys) were not replaced by players who were as good as they were. The running game never found anybody as good as Denard or Fitz (two 1,000 yard rushers now in the NFL). At WR, his first team had Hemingway (NFL player), Gallon (single season record breaker), Roundtree (3rd leading receiver in the B1G as a sophomore, huge catches against ND, OSU, Northwestern, etc.), not to mention a pretty good TE in Koger. That is a much different set of weapons than last year when Funchess drew all of the D's attention and no one else was capable of making any big plays.
Hoke's failure wasn't in being too nice, but in failing to recruit offensive players that were as good as the ones he inherited.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||The flip side||
At my old high school the freshmen team was coached by more of a player's coach (who also coached the track team) and the varsity by an asshole (who had some significant success the year before I arrived on campus).
The freshman team went undefeated pretty much every year while the varsity posted mediocre results. There was a guy a few years ahead of us who started as a sprinter, won the state championship in the high jump as a junior, and was a tall, muscular, athletic dude, basically a prototype WR. The head coach called him "Forest Gump" on a near-constant basis. He quit football to focus on track instead. My buddy was on a league winning 4x100M relay team (he was a junior with three buff, very fast dudes who were a year ahead of us). All four guys ended up quitting the football team at some point due to either a complete lack of playing time in favor of way less athletic guys or just getting sick of the abusive atmosphere (all three older guys were black, and I'm pretty sure there was a racial element to that whole situation as well). Two offensive linemen on those teams ended up turning down interest/offers from places like Oregon State and South Carolina because they were just sick of football by the time they graduated.
If you're such a dick that the most talented guys end up not playing or leaving the team entirely, you aren't doing yourself any favors and your record will probably reflect that.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Unlike Jameis||
I had to pay for my crabs.
Thanks guys, I'll be here all week!
|5 weeks 5 days ago||IU||
Has Yogi announced he's coming back? Thought that was still up in the air and that with a degree in hand he was more likely to leave.
EDIT: Looks like he's announcing on the 25th. From a Ruth's Chris steakhouse. That smells like NBA to me.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Weird||
The ESPN100 list for 2009 for some reason cuts off at 99, so that one was my mistake. Sorry for the lying accusation.
You are still being dishonest about all your other bitching. You leave off Teske, because you don't have a leg to stand on there (he is and will be ranked in everybody's top 100 when those full rankings are out, ESPN just happens to cut off at 60 for the time being). You're being prematurely alarmist about Davis when you cite the high rankings of guys who didn't have those rankings at the time they committed as cause for concern about his commitment. I'm not speculating about Wagner, scouts (the same people who post those rankings you adore) have said he's a top-(insert number much smaller than 100) caliber recruit, and would be ranked as such if he played in the United States. Same goes for Robinson. Bitching that he isn't ranked highly enough when there is no ranking for that kind of player is downright absurd.
That's two recruiting classes (2015 and 2016), or at least what we know of them so far. In 2013 we took three top-100 guys (the criteria you set for awesomeness). So basically all your complaints center around panicking about Austin Davis (a 16 year old Beilein was eager to land), worrying DJ Wilson can't be any good because he just missed that top-100 cutoff (124 on the 247composite), and bitching about guys we added late in the 2014 class after mass attrition, guys who also turned out to be pretty good players as freshmen.
I have no idea what you see as "par" but I think Beilein is doing a bang up job on the recruiting trail. If you disagree, move to Vegas and bet against the team going forward. Stop inventing new cartoon alter egos every few weeks to come here and bitch about it.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Disingenuous||
Darius Morris was not an ESPN top-100 player, so there is lie number one. Neither was LeVert, who lucky for you came back to school or that would be another guy drafted who wasn't in the top-100 on ESPN.
The ESPN 100 doesn't exist for 2016 kids (it is only the top-60). Teske is #100 on the 247composite and has been rising steadily. As has been pointed out to you many times, guys like GRIII, Hardaway, and Stauskas were not ranked that highly when they originally committed, and they did so later in the process than Teske and Davis. There is no reason to think those guys can't/won't continue to climb the rankings.
Moritz Wagner is foreign and therefore not really scouted by the American recruiting services. Many people have described him as at minimum a top-100 talent.
Chatman was a top-100 guy who I assume you are counting.
Then you seem to be ignoring someone, because even if you include Hatch (whose final rankings were sort of hurt by, you know, falling out of the sky and almost dying), our 10th guy back was Derrick Walton (top-100). The 11th was Zak Irvin (top-100). The 12th was Mark Donnal (top-100 on ESPN).
Unless you are counting Duncan Robinson number 10, and ignoring the fact that he would not have been ranked at the time he decided to transfer (because that isn't how those rankings work), and that he certainly would have been viewed as one of the top-100 prospects in the country after being the top freshman in D-3.
In short, statement one was a lie. Statement two uses technicalities to avoid the fact that three other guys would be ranked in the top-100 if they had been ranked/evaluated at the time of their commitment or if the actual full rankings existed yet. And you ignore that the next three guys on the team were all top-100 guys on ESPN. And that adding Brown or Williams would give us another ESPN 100 guy. Or that a re-ranking would certainly put a guy like Dawkins in that group (How many freshmen had multiple 20+ point games in conference play last year? You know, actual performance rather than just stars.).
You aren't employing cold hard facts to analyze the situation. You are using selective information to act like a douche.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Agree on the Rams||
Definitely don't think both happen, just pointing out how easy it is for these teams (on their own) to come up with that kind of money.
I think Carson will be used to leverage a new stadium in San Diego (political wheels seem to already be turning down there). The Hollywood Park site is being designed to accomodate two teams (separate offices, owners box, etc.) and can then be used as continued leverage for the Raiders.
I expect the Rams in LA in 2016 with maybe the Raiders to follow if they can't get a deal done in Oakland in the next few years.
This also doesn't include the public efforts to build a new stadium in St. Louis, which could very well lure a team like Jacksonville. In short, the league is not short on cash.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Obviously it happens||
That ratio (6,000 out of 20,000) just seems high to me. Or if its accurate, it seems like more guys would/should speak up. Terry Bradshaw played with Webster. If roughly 15-20 guys from every team he played on are having the same kinds of issues, you would think he wouldn't be on TV every week promoting the hell out of NFL football, or that Howie Long wouldn't allow his kids to play if such a big chunk of his former teammates were on their way to being completely incapacitated mentally.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Stadium||
The proposed budget for the Hollywood Park stadium being built by Stan Kroenke is $1.86 billion. The proposed Carson stadium is $1.7 billion.
That's two buildings in a city that still doesn't have a team or a concrete plan for one.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Article||
It says the NFL thinks 1/3 of former players will develop Alzheimers or dementia? Does that seem incredibly high to anyone else? I mean from an actual estimate standpoint.
We see plenty of retired players on TV regularly and I don't get the impression that every other guy they know from their playing days is having major mental health problems.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Memory?||
McGary missed the entire B1G season and the tourney with his back injury. Whatever luck was involved in keeping him for a second year was pretty much mitigated by the fact that he didn't play that second year anyway.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Not arguing your larger point||
Just want to point out that some of those guys became "elite talents" after committing. GRIII was a 3-star who wasn't offered by Purdue, IU, or ND. He blew up over the course of his senior year, but when he signed he was basically an Austin Davis level recruit (a guy who also has a year to climb the rankings if his play continues to improve). Hardaway ended up just a 3-star on the composite. Stauskas was a 3-star when he committed who climbed into the top-100 as more people scouted him. That is 3 NBA draft picks (obviously elite-level talent) whose rankings didn't reflect their ability when they signed on.
To your program identity point, I think we're already at a level above Wisconsin and have been. McGary, Irvin, Walton, and Chatman were all top-rated guys pursued by just about everybody. Wisconsin isn't getting those guys unless they are from Wisconsin (a'la Dekker). They also aren't in on guys like Brown or the guys you mentioned who ended up choosing other powerhouse programs. Obviously we want to land as many of those guys as we can get, but that is pretty damn hard when you're going up against UK, Duke, Kansas, UCLA, etc. Hopefully another great run this year will cement us in the group that elite prospects can and do consider.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Very exciting||
That development and the surprises in store for next year are going to be a lot of fun. You have an incredible foundation in place with LeVert/Irvin/Walton/Spike. You could maybe even throw Dawkins in there after some of his freshman accomplishments. Then you have an incredibly long list of guys poised to become contributors or flat-out explode. How much better can Donnal be if he improves his shot and doesn't have to guard the 5? Wilson has a ton of potential we haven't even seen yet. Robinson shot 45% from 3 at Williams. And he's 6'8". How does Doyle look when his conditioning and confidence improve after a year on campus?
Wagner (Who knows how good he could be?), Chatman (Does he begin growing into his body and become the guy people forecast out of high school?), maybe another blue-chip guy who could still end up on this team.
Going to be an absolute blast watching this team win and continue to develop.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Obviously it is important to sustain success||
Panicking that we won't because guys who aren't here yet don't have enough stars next to their name is what is silly.
Next year's team is loaded with talent and experience. We're also still recruiting blue-chip guys who may be here in the fall (the 8th guy off the bench is likely to be a top-100 recruit, maybe with a couple years experience) and are definitely going to add to the 2016 class.
We've got a coach who has more than earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to talent evaluation. Let's let him do his job and just enjoy the product he continues to put on the floor. For those of us who lived through far darker times, having the good ones marred with so much damn negativity is a real pain in the ass.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Missing the tourney||
Florida missed two years in a row after winning back-to-back titles and again this past season after a great 4 year run. UK missed just a few years ago with a similar parade of one-and-done stars. UCONN missed the tourney in 2007, 2010, 2013, and this past season. UCLA missed twice in three seasons after their run of three straight Final Fours under Howland. These are still top-20 programs.
From a program that missed the tourney for a decade, we've gone Round of 32, B1G co-champs upset in first round, national runner-up, Elite Eight and B1G champs, then missed the tourney after losing three sophomores to the NBA (and another early entrant from the year before), graduated our starting center, saw the back-up transfer, and had our two top returners miss long stretches with injury.
Next year's team should be really good and if they are we will be continuing an incredible run with one small, though entirely understandable hiccup. State had guys like Payne and Harris at the same time Michigan was going on that great recent run. Panicking because they are still getting good recruits is the only spaz activity I see related to Michigan basketball.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||And Spike.||
And Hardaway. And all the guys he got at WVU.
Also have to love the list of "low ranked recruits" (after dismissing Walton, Irvin, and Chatman as guys who for some reason don't count) includes three more top-100 guys and a dude that just put up three 20+ point games in conference play, and scored 18 in a win at the BTT (but that definitely wouldn't count as an instant impact from a true freshman).
The concern trolling about the direction of the basketball program based entirely on star rankings and comparisons to Duke/UK is fucking infuriating.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Caris and Irvin||
They are better players than the Harrison twins, no matter what some hamburger company says.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Now have a good coach||
Mike Montgomery went to the tourney for 10 straight years at Stanford, took them to their first Final Four in 50+ years, then made it back to the Elite Eight four years later (their second run that deep in the tourney in 50+ years).
Then he retired. A few years later he took the Cal job. He made the tourney 4 times in 6 seasons. He had a winning season in conference play every year he was there. He retired again.
Cuonzo Martin took the Cal job immediately after that and went 7-11 in the Pac-12.
The idea that the Golden Bears have a good coach is kind of up for debate. The idea that they "now" have a good coach is fucking absurd. Montgomery > Martin, every day of the week until proven otherwise.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Last year||
Cliff Alexander played 17 mpg at Kansas this past year (he was #4 on the 247 composite). Mudiay went to China and from what I hear didn't set the world on fire.
Obviously most highly rated guys play, because they commit to teams that need/want them to step in right away. They don't typically go to schools where a guy has turned down potentially being a late 1st round pick to come back to school. Ulis and Booker didn't start at Kentucky because the Harrison twins came back. Our most highly rated guy last year (#27 overall on the composite) was the least productive of our 4 freshmen who were healthy enough to play.
If he's not going to come off the bench it probably means he's not coming here, or people will once again be bitching every time we lose that we have no size and get dominated in the paint.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||One or two||
That could be big. If he's willing/interested in staying two years (something I think I heard he said, but if you're going to be a top-10 pick that is hard to turn down) then he could really become a monster in addition to making a huge impact here. Be the first guy off the bench in year one and learn the system, probably playing multiple spots. Then replace Caris at the 2 on a team with potentially Walton/Irvin/Robinson/BigGuy in the starting lineup, and a ton of depth and other options.
That lineup would seem to create a great fit for his game and an opportunity to really shine as a college player (rather than just as a NBA potential guy).
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Who doesn't have him going in the first round?||
Honestly, if you can find a mock draft that doesn't have him going in the first round this year or next year it would be the first I have seen.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Over who?||
Caris is a consensus first round pick. Irvin was rated very highly as well (top-25 IIRC) and just put up 14+ ppg in actual D-1 basketball and has been in the system for 2 years. Brown does not start over those guys coming straight from high school, IMO. And if he joins them it means Walton and Spike are on the bench (kind of awkward) or we are playing a 6'6" guy at PF again. I don't think Beilein wants that. He also values shooters, so I think elite ones like Dawkins (a guy who put up double digit points in 8 B1G games) and Robinson are going to have every opportunity to grab minutes (Irvin wins that comparison as well).
Can we stop acting like recruiting rankings are a direct reflection of a player's ability/value, especially after what we've seen on the gridiron the last few years? I would love to have Brown in the mix, but a lot of his success on the offensive end comes from driving at opponents. How often would he get to do that with Walton/Spike and Caris operating as very effective ball-handlers? Or do you really think Caris came back to sit on the bench? And how would a player like that impact the entire system Beilein is trying to run (and has run to great success here)?
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Different kind of player||
I'd be curious to find out what sort of role Beilein envisions for Brown and how he would use him. He's a player who reminds me a lot of Stanley Johnson at Arizona, and we haven't really had a guy like that in Beilein's system (not a great shot, very strong/athletic, good handle, maybe dominates the ball more than he should/will in Beilein's system, etc.).
Do we play a guy like that at the 4 (or put Irvin there) and remain a small team on D? Does he play the 2 and handle the ball quite a bit?
Seems like a very talented guy who at the same time I don't really see an immediate fit for on this team (don't see anyone pushing LeVert/Irvin out of the lineup, don't think Coach B wants to keep going small, and I don't know what spot Brown would play). It will be interesting to see how it plays out, especially if he ends up in Ann Arbor. So many fun options to think about with this team and all the depth they will have, with or without Brown/WIlliams.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Bigger||
Personally, my hope is that Robinson can defend the 4 well enough to start there. Walton/Caris/Irvin/Robinson/Doyle would be an ideal first unit, IMO (shooters putting crazy pressure on opposing defenses), with Spike/Brown or Williams or MAAR/Dawkins/Wilson in the second with the best of Donnal/Wagner/Chatman as your second guy in at the 4. That would also comply with Beilein's stated goal (a goal evidenced by recent recruiting moves as well) to get bigger/stronger as a team.
Obviously you would have a ton of flexibility and could adjust the lineup in many ways big or small (play Walton and Spike together, play Caris at the point, drop Brown to the 4 if he can defend/rebound at that spot) as match-ups dictate.
Regardless, next year is going to be a lot of fun to watch.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Weird team last year||
Don't follow them closely, but they had a rollercoaster season last year. Went 10-3 in the non-conference with decent wins over Wyoming and Syracuse (and decent losses to Wisconsin and Texas). Then started Pac-12 play 1-6, including a blowout loss to an awful USC team (and blowouts against UCLA and .500 ASU). Then won 5 straight including a win over UCLA, then lost 5 of 6 down the stretch.
Not sure what role injuries played, but an up and down team that ended up 7-11 in conference play and didn't beat anybody with a pulse outside of the Bruins.
|6 weeks 1 hour ago||Reclassify||
If UM knew he wanted to switch to 2015, there really isn't any room to take him without throwing the chemistry of the team out of whack. If you have Walton and Spike on board, I can see focusing your efforts elsewhere, both for this class and at PG in the future. Can also see Thornton being more receptive to the opportunity to play from day one at Duke rather than having to compete with two guys for minutes at UM.
|6 weeks 1 hour ago||Not to mention||
Even a poster who did all that work would have to claim that their judgment was more valid than that of Jim Harbaugh, a guy who turned Stanford into a juggernaut on the backs of loads of guys who had few stars/offers and are now succeeding in the NFL.
This isn't a "trust the coaches" moment, it's a "trust one of the best program developers in the business who engineered a downright remarkable turnaround just a few years ago because he's awesome at finding great football players, no matter what the internet thinks of the guys he signs".
You would think we'd have learned our lesson about recruiting rankings after the Hoke era saw the team's talent level and win total diminish every year.
|6 weeks 1 hour ago||Failure to recruit||
The struggles in the frontcourt came about because our starters at the 4 and 5 went to the NBA after their sophomore seasons. Then the presumed replacement at center transferred to Florida.
If anything, we recruited players who were too elite, and as a result 4 of the 5 guys who should've started on last year's team were in the NBA instead. Then we got hit with an unexpected transfer and two big injuries.
In short, bitching about our basketball program is kind of insane. I thought the two deep tourney runs would bring some reason, but hopefully another great season next year does the trick.
|6 weeks 2 hours ago||Looking for things to complain about||
Haven't people been bitching for years that Beilein needs to make his team bigger and stronger and better on the glass? Then when he does it, there's more panic?
You aren't counting Irvin or Dawkins as guards when they can probably play that role. You're assuming no one leaves early for the NBA draft. We're going after Williams which would make a third "true" guard if we land him. And you're assuming everyone in a logjam at the 4 stays committed and at UM (decent shot whoever finds themselves on the bench may look elsewhere) and that we don't then add another blue-chip guard. Having Doyle (junior), Wilson (sophomore), Davis and Teske (freshmen) isn't some crazy overload. One guy may not pan out. Somebody might leave. Somebody (maybe Wilson) may play the four. You want at least three guys who you're comfortable putting on the floor in a game situation. Having one extra doesn't sound crazy under those circumstances.
Beilein obviously isn't done recruiting, so acting like we know what the roster will look like a year from now, and worrying about it the very second we take a commitment from a kid the staff obviously wants (coupled with the loads of criticism you know the kid received), is very premature.
|6 weeks 3 hours ago||It's all silly||
Davis has a full year of high school left and by all accounts is improving rapidly. The speculation has all been fueled by people who refuse to accept Beilein and Co.'s evaluation of a 16 year old kid because the people who post on the internet haven't decided he's good yet.
There is zero reason to think Davis is planning a prep year or that a redshirt is more likely than it would be for any other player. Beilein is very patient/deliberate with dishing out offers and doesn't give them conditionally. The same worry warts were out in force last year when we took MAAR and Dawkins last year (many didn't want one, much less both since they had no stars or offers). Same happened with Spike and LeVert. Same with Doyle (many acted like he would never see the court until his 7th or 8th year on campus).
|6 weeks 4 hours ago||To piggyback||
If he had a shot, he would get a shot here. The fact that he didn't play this year while Dakich and Lonergan got significant minutes, yet still didn't redshirt, should be a pretty good indication of where his physical abilities are at this point and going forward.
People seem to forget the kid literally fell out of the sky. Twice. As a result, there is a decent chance that he just won't be able to play competitive basketball at a high level again. But he can still get a degree and be a valuable member of this team/university. Pretty much a fairy tale ending to the story, if you ask me.
|6 weeks 5 hours ago||True||
Hatch isn't being shoved out the door because he's not good enough at basketball. He'd be freeing up a scholarship for his team because, after literally falling out of the sky, he is physically incapable of being a Division 1 basketball player.
Again, this assumes his health will never allow him to be a full-time player, but last year (when Dakich and Lonergan saw significant minutes but he was glued to the bench) gives us a pretty good indication that it might be the case.
I'm sure Austin would rather sit next to Beilein in a suit if it turns out he'll never be able to play for real and if it means helping the team get better. Not to mention, there is always the possibility of a senior-night waiver to get him one last hurrah at Crisler.
If this kid remains a part of the program for three more years and gets his degree and somebody has a problem with that, after everything the kid went throughy, that person is just an asshole.
|6 weeks 6 hours ago||Down year||
We still went 8-10 and won a game in the BTT. Despite a number of close losses, we were just one game worse than the first two Beilein teams that made the tourney.
Now we add LeVert, Walton, Robinson, Wilson, Wagner, and maybe one more guy to the mix while everybody gets a year older/better. This team could be a monster.
|6 weeks 6 hours ago||Incredible depth||
After years of 6'4" power forwards, walk-on PG, and last year's extended minutes for Dakich, Lonergan, and Max, things are going to be dramatically different.
If we add Williams (or Brown), this is a roster where the 13th guy (whether it's Williams, Donnal, Wilson, Chatman, or Wagner) is a top-100 recruit, maybe with a year or two of college experience. Unreal.
You're talking about the team at the end of the year (that beat Illinois in the BTT and took Wisconsin down to the wire), with an extra offseason of experience/development, plus LeVert, Walton, Robinson, Wilson, Wagner, and maybe one other blue-chip recruit.
I can't wait!
|6 weeks 18 hours ago||Wilson is huge||
Assuming/hoping Caris comes back, my roster hopes really hinge on DJ Wilson and whether or not he can play the 5. If he can hold up at that spot and Morford it with Doyle, we are in tremendous shape. If not, Donnal just can't play that spot (through no fault of his own, much like Smotrycz before him) and I would frankly rather have Max back than add a perimeter player.
If Doyle/Wilson can man the 5, the team gets much bigger across the board. Chatman/Wagner/Donnal can battle it out at the 4. There is a ton of depth and talent on the perimeter then with Irvin/Robinson able to play the 3 and LeVert/Dawkins at the 2. Throw in MAAR and maybe Williams, and you're talking about a team where the 13th best player on the team is a top-100 recruit, maybe with a few years of experience. Not to mention a ton of lineup flexibility when you can maybe play Caris at the point and go really big or play Spike and Walton together and go fast/small.
|6 weeks 18 hours ago||Yeah||
That's the only way he squeezes in, and that is a super small lineup, something Beilein looks to be trying to get away from. That or you play Caris at the point and then Spike and Walton are on the bench, and I'm not sure that doesn't hurt your lineup (we really have no idea how good Brown will be as a college player). The first option puts Irvin in a shitty position, like Smotrycz, Novak, and GRIII of having to work above their paygrade on D against much bigger dudes. And if Brown isn't a good outside shooter the 4 out 1 in offense probably isn't as crisp or effective, especially when Dawkins and Robinson are well over 40% from beyond the arc and you'd have them on the bench.
Like I said, would love to have him, but I won't be heartbroken if he doesn't end up here and frankly I wouldn't blame him if he didn't see a role for himself on this team (again, assuming Caris is back).
|6 weeks 23 hours ago||Role?||
Obviously would love to land him, but I wonder what sort of impact he would have on this particular team, at least next year.
Assuming Caris comes back, I don't see Brown starting over him or Irvin (experienced, 14+ ppg guys). With the run of bigger guys we've picked up lately, I also don't see Beilein wanting/having to head into next season with Irvin at the 4 much of the time again.
Then when you look at the other wings available off the bench, guys like Dawkins and Robinson have proven to be high level outside shooters (and Dawkins had a number of big games against quality competition). I think Beilein wants guys like that on the floor, so if we aren't going small there are fewer minutes available if/when those guys see the court.
Can never have too many weapons, but I see a guy who may not have a huge role on next year's team, and who probably doesn't want that, given where he's projected in the draft already.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Bama loves Dallas||
Or is it the other way around? The Tide played us there in 2012, play Wisconsin this year, and play USC in Big D next year.
Wondering if they are the only fanbase dumb/desperate enough to repeatedly pay the silly ticket prices for a game so far from campus.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Why?||
Sorry that happened, but curious what could piss someone off that much at a non-league friendly outside the country either team is from. Just booze?
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Options||
Obviously anything can happen in the tourney, so hard to predict, but I agree next year's team should be awesome, and incredibly deep.
Basically adding LeVert, Walton, Robinson, Wilson, and Wagner (maybe Williams or Brown as well) to the team we saw at the end of the year is crazy. Plus all the beneits from experience, age, development, etc.
There are a ton of lineup permutations and this certainly won't be the regular lineup, but I would love to see Caris, Dawkins, Irvin, and Robinson on the floor at the same time with a big. That length (Did someone say zone defense?) and shooting ability would be a sight to see.
Come back, Caris!
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Other legends||
Lamond Murray > Scottie Pippen
Just bad luck the Clips didn't draft Jordan.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||BRO!|
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Need something||
These are awful, but the Clippers do need a makeover. Their logo is virtually identical to that of the Lakers, just in different colors. Their road jerseys are the same as the old-school Lakers jerseys (with script Los Angeles), just in different colors.
If you look like the discount Lakers playing in the same arena, no amount of short-term success is going to change perception. Probably should have moved to Anaheim when Staples Center was being built.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||How dare you||
You clearly underestimate the historic greatness of Eric Piatkowski.
I'll try to forgive you.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||It's called a "bro"||
Get it right!
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Not conventional measurements||
Magnus probably has more in depth info on leverage points and body type, but I would think height/weight numbers aren't really indicative. Rather, frame or sheer skeleton size. Guys like Lewan and Long (or Tyron Smith who went to USC and is a Pro Bowler with the Cowboys) were pretty lean in high school, but were huge guys, if that makes sense. They added muscle and became dominant players.
It seems like the 300+ pounders in high school tend to be overrated, in contrast.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Rightly so||
These 16 year old kids deserve a warm welcome when they make a decision like this (and are nice enough to choose the school we all love). The shit in this thread and last night has been completely disgusting. Glad it got nuked, at least in this thread.
Welcome aboard, Carter. You chose a great school to attend and for a guy who plays your position I don't think you could find a better coach anywhere in the country to spot your talents and get the most out of your natural ability. Go Blue!
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Mismatch||
People forget that Funchess was the top target on a team with basically no other credible receiving threats and an oft-struggling run game. On an NFL team he'll be option 3 or 4 in the passing game, most likely. If he finds the right fit I could see him blowing up since he gets to go against smaller/slower guys reguarly, rather than drawing double teams and #1 corners.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Shooting||
If we can keep Caris and add Williams, you are looking at a roster with 7 guys who you'd expect to shoot at or above 40% from behind the line (LeVert did it the last two years, Irvin was at 42.5 as a freshman when he didn't have to carry the offense, Dawkins was at 43.8 last year, Spike is at 40.3 for his career, Walton hit 41 when healthy as a freshman, Robinson shot 45.6 at Williams, and Williams looks like a very good outside shooter).
With that kind of pressure on teams guarding the perimeter this team could be absolutely lethal on offense.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Extra ecstatic|
|7 weeks 16 hours ago||Real coach||
Mike Montgomery had a winning record in Pac-12 play in each of his 6 seasons at Cal. He managed the same feat in his last 11 seasons at Stanford before that.
Cuonzo Martin posted a losing record in his first and only season at Cal immediately following Montgomery's retirement.
So it would appear you know little to nothing about Cal specifically or Pac-12 basketball in general.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Still on scholarship||
He also wouldn't lose his scholarship or have to leave UM. I'm also pretty sure Beilein could find him a role as a team manager or something like that if he can't perform physically.
The question is really about whether or not he'll ever be healthy enough to play D-1 basketball. If he can come back in the next couple of years, then great. But if that isn't realistic, it doesn't make sense to limit who the team can bring in, especially when Austin still gets a free education and probably remains close to the team. I don't think any sane person would have a problem with that decision.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Lots of options||
If Caris comes back this team has a plethora of options and loads of potential. My only real worry/hope is that Wilson can come back from injury and compete at the 5. Donnal, like Smotrycz before him, just can't play that spot (not that he should have to, both were thrust into a tough role that doesn't really fit their skillset).
If Wilson can help Doyle to cover most/all of the minutes at the 5 with solid defense and rebounding, Donnal/Chatman/Wagner (maybe Robinson) gives you loads of versatile options at the 4. Levert and Irvin can be backed up by Dawkins and Robinson. You can go small and play Spike and Walton together. You can go huge and play Levert at the point and maybe put a guy like Wagner at the three if his outside shot improves a little.
If Brown commits shit gets bananas.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||White guy||
Learn the code.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||3-point shooting||
Should be noted that those numbers are coming with the FIBA 3-point line, which is a little over a foot deeper than the NCAA line.
GRIII was about a 30% shooter from distance, and helped stretch the defense quite a bit. If Wagner's floor is at that level that is a major positive, and a big upgrade from this past season when either Chatman struggled from outside or we played a smaller guy at the 4.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Final Four piggyback||
A west coast writer mentioned the other day that since the mid 1960's only four current Pac-12 schools have made the Final Four (UCLA, Arizona, Stanford, and Utah before they joined the conference).
In that same time, in addition to the schools you mentioned, Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota, and Rutgers have all been to the Final Four.
11 of the 14 members have made the Final Four at least once in the last 40 years (Rutgers went in 1976). Crazy depth.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||"Michigan can choose to keep it simple"||
This is really the issue for me, and is way more important than supplier. Adidas probably gets a bad rap in part because their relationship with UM has coincided with the Dave Brandon era. UA doesn't do goofy shit to Auburn's football uniforms. Nike doesn't do goofy shit with USC or Texas or Bama. Adidas can't force Indiana to wear their dumbass special b-ball tourney uniforms.
I think coming from the world of soccer (where uniforms subtly change every year to get people buying new kits) hurts the Adidas approach somewhat (they seem to make a lot of change for change sake and are a lot busier with their design extras like trim and piping). But if we told whatever company we go with to make the uniforms look like the Cazzie Russell throwbacks or the '89 team or the Fab Five era and just put a company logo on the lapel, I don't care what that company logo says.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||History||
Texas has been to one Final Four in the last 65 years. They just fired the coach who took them there. Texas has been to the Elite Eight four times in the last 65 years. Three of those times the coach was the guy they just fired.
Smart is a good hire, but the idea that Texas wasn't meeting expectations under Barnes is kind of ridiculous. Without him there were no expectations at all.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||On the bright side||
Now Fez has time to soak up all that sweet dong he's been missing out on all these years.
|9 weeks 17 hours ago||Patrice||
His wife/girlfriend is raising money for a feature length documentary on his life/career titled "Better Than You". Something to check out if you are a fan.
|9 weeks 17 hours ago||Quite a contrast||
Eddie was only 22 years old when he filmed Delirious.
|9 weeks 22 hours ago||Barnes' resume||
People here seem to think Texas is a way better job than it is. Barnes took them to their only Final Four since the 1940's. He went to the Elite Eight three times in total (UT had gone one other time since the 1940's prior to his arrival). He made the tourney 16 times in 17 years, and got to at least the Sweet Sixteen roughly a third of the time. Before that he took Clemson to the Sweet Sixteen for only the third time in their history.
Obviously the guy is a victim of his own success and expectations that don't necessarily jive with reality. The odds the next guy in Austin does any better than Barnes are pretty low.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Nice post||
Could have been shorter. Anybody who has a problem with Funchess or any other UM athlete can get fucking bent.
They owe you nothing. Funchess provided more than most (1,700+ yards and 15 TD). Shut your trap.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||Agree, for now||
The Coliseum has a great skeleton but a ton of issues. For decades its operation was controlled by a quasi-governmental body called the Coliseum Commission that basically prevented any meaningful improvements.
Now SC owns the property and is about to sink mega bucks into the renovations. If that process looks anything like the rest of the building spree they've been on in the neighborhood the last decade, the Coliseum will be able to compete with the newly renovated Big House as two of the top facilities in the country.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Not unprecedented||
Last year at USC Drevno moved Max Tuerk to center. He had started games at both tackle and both guards spots as an underclassman prior to Drevno's arrival. Moved to center and was 1st team All-Pac12.
So I'm just going to go ahead and assume Mason Cole will be awesome this fall.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Matt Kalil||
He left early and was taken 4th overall. He was replaced by young guys (Aundrey Walker who moved to guard and ended up getting benched as a senior this past season) and Max Tuerk (a freshman at the time now playing center). Barkley, who was always a bit of a chucker even in high school, was now under pressure way more often and doubled his interception total.
|11 weeks 11 min ago||Didn't they have to?||
I remember hearing they were in danger of not meeting the league's minimum salary commitments. With guys not really wanting to sign there, they basically had to find ways to throw money at guys in order to comply with league rules.
No wonder they got Harbaugh.
|11 weeks 17 min ago||Some do, some don't||
Therefore, assuming "they do" is dumb. Also, improving as a player is not the same thing as improving your draft stock.
Matt Barkley came back to a ton of fanfare and ended up a 4th round pick. Tim Tebow stayed in school and was a 1st round pick. JaMarcus Russell never would have been the #1 pick if he stays in school another year. Mike Hart was pretty much the same, very good, player from the moment he arrived on campus until he left four years later, but he still went in the 6th round. There isn't really any rhyme or reason to it. And in football, so much depends on health, surrounding talent, and loads of other factors that have nothing to do with the player and can change in a flash.
|11 weeks 45 min ago||Trent Richardson||
Didn't stay in school. He left Bama after three years.
Also, the idea that staying in school makes it more or less likely that you'll move up in the NFL draft is a pretty dumb assumption.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Hatch||
Or the oft-discussed Austin Hatch medical scholarship.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||No relation||
Would more likely mean Max gets the firm handshake, freeing up a scholarship. Brown may be more likely to commit if Caris is out the door (from a playing time perspective), but him coming on board doesn't crunch our numbers at this point.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Hockey||
Not sure why it isn't included separately in that report, but I would like to know the hockey specific numbers. Does the program make money or just produce enough revenue to break even? For some reason women's basketball is included (big money loser, less than $100,000 in ticket sales) but hockey is just lumped in with "other sports".
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Michigan sells the jerseys||
Those jerseys sold in the numbers they did because those guys played at Michigan. I bet Darron Thomas sold a ton of jerseys at Oregon. I bet he doesn't sell any now that he's with the Portland Thunder in the Arena League. And the second he left they started putting another guy's number on those UO jerseys and they kept selling. And I'd bet the value of his contract now is less than the scholarship package he received at UO.
Nobody gives a shit about second tier sports outside of the NCAA system. Mike Hart at Michigan sold jerseys. Mike Hart without a world famous university with legions of fans has zero market value, especially coming out of high school. College athletes (even the ones who aren't great players like Hart) get more than they would in terms of market value than they would in any minor league system. And they do so in far, far greater numbers (the number of guys getting a shot in an XFL, USFL, Arena League would not include 100+ teams with rosters double the size).
|11 weeks 1 day ago||To go further||
TV companies use player likenesses to sell their product. Commercials feature guys like Winston and Manziel. When that is happening and the guys can't profit from it then it is total bullshit.
If a player can't sell his likeness/name, fine, but you can't sell it to ESPN and pocket the cash.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Something new||
This is really the first group that didn't all immediately jump en masse to the NBA. It will be interesting to see if it is just a one-time occurrence, or if it creates a logjam that Coach Calipari has to deal with differently going forward.
Could be kind of funny to see all the people who bitched about one and dones complaining that UK is graduating players instead of shipping them off to the pros quickly enough if/when they start winning with veteran teams.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Success||
In the last 9 years (Memphis and UK), Calipari's second worst season finished with a trip to the Sweet Sixteen. 7 trips to the regional final, four Final Fours, three title game appearances, and one title. This is year 10 and that trend doesn't look to be in any danger.
In the same time period, Coach K has 2 trips to the regional final (same as Michigan) and won one title. Arizona has made the regional final twice (Sean Miller made it a third time in that span at Xavier as well). Bill Self has made the regional final 4 times in that span with 2 title game appearances and one championship.
Maybe the gap doesn't appear great to some folks, but at this point Calipari's on-court success is greater than his peers at even other blue-blood programs.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||The other side||
There's also the risk they don't experience that mass exodus. The team is so good this year because it has veteran guys who were assumed to be out the door but came back, not just the one and done parade they typically bring in. The Harrison's are sophomores with loads of experience. Cauley-Stein is a junior. A couple of the bench guys are sophomores and juniors.
And as these guys get further away from their high school hype, it seems less likely the NBA will spend a high pick on them. And more likely that new guys will come in and take what few minutes they are getting already. Are guys like the Harrisons, Poythress, and Dakari Johnson going to leave at this point to be 2nd round picks?
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Pocket money||
Some amount of spending money is factored into the scholarship amount they receive, just like with any student who is on some sort of financial aid package. UM allows about $2,200 for the academic year. Over the 9 months that is roughly $60 a week. If 7 dudes on the team live in a house and get cheaper rent per man than allotted by their scholarship, they save a little cash there too. They also get a mountain of free swag, so save on clothing costs compared to the average student.
And I find it hard to fathom how the parents who presumably fed and clothed them a year prior (I personally know of no student athletes who were working their way through high school) are now completely incapable of providing even a few bucks here and there to cover emergency meals or the occasional outfit or night out.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Gotta go somewhere||
It seems like he's already visited the other blue-chip programs going after him and doesn't look to have a strong preference or a leader at this point, as far as I can tell. Haven't followed closely so maybe others know more, but if we're getting some consideration and there is no presumed favorite (other than just an assumption he'll pick a UK or UNC based on name recognition, as opposed to a guy like Marshall in football who was assumed to be going to a specific school for a long time), then you have to figure we at least have a legit shot to make a great impression.
If he's seen what they have to offer and is still looking, that has to be a good sign and reason for at least mild optimism.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Answers||
Millions are being generated because people love their schools and want to see them win. So they buy tickets to games, often at high prices when mandatory donations and other factors are added to the equation. Some folks even just give the school gobs of money (Ross at UM, for example). That love also causes fans with more average incomes to demand to see all of their teams games on TV. Cable companies have exploited that in a manner that charges everybody else at an inflated rate for college sports content (such that your grandma who doesn't give a shit about sports is paying just as much for ESPN Ocho as a diehard fan who has to have it or he'll miss his alma mater's non-conference lacrosse schedule).
As for who is benefitting, construction companies and developers who build all the shiny new buildings schools are putting up, athletes in non-revenue sports who get lots of shiny stuff (revenue sport athletes benefit from the facilities and perks, but you could argue they've earned it), and coaches who now command more money because they are seen as the determining factor in how successful this enormous financial enterprise will be.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Not just paying for it||
Parents also worry about their kids getting into school. There is immense value for many student athletes because they are very often getting admitted to a school they otherwise would not have.
Not sure what the free market value of getting admitted to various schools would be, but it is just another bonus people like to gloss over.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Value||
It also ends up being a whole lot more money than any of these kids would get in the D-League or Arena Football.
The reason there is money involved at all is because of the schools and the emotional connection fans/students/alums have with them. 99% of college athletes would receive jack shit if the schools were out of the picture and they just got their "market value".
|11 weeks 3 days ago||2004||
That team deserved to get in. Finished 5th in the Big Ten, then beat #4 Iowa in the conference tourney before losing to Illinois. The conference only got three teams into the tournament. Conference USA got 6 bids. We won the NIT.
If that momentum of making the tournament is able to build, then maybe things go a little differently and we get one or two extra players. Similarly, if the 2009 team (the league only had two ranked teams again, just like in 2004) that finished tied for 7th doesn't get in, what do things look like in the middle of year 4 for Beilein when we start the conference season 1-6?
|11 weeks 3 days ago||Can't coach at the highest level||
He's won an NCAA tournament game in each of the last two years. At a school that hadn't made the tournament since the 1940's before his arrival.
Blanchard and Horton were both 1st team All-Conference players at UM.
Amaker's time here was disappointing because the team didn't get over the hump, but it isn't like we sucked at basketball. He had a shitty first season and a shitty third one when Horton was out. Other than that we were a .500 team in the Big Ten. In those days that just wasn't good enough to make the tourney (unlike in Beilein's first two tourney appearances). The guy had 2 losing seasons out of 6 in the Big Ten. Tom Crean has 4 in 8 seasons at IU.
The only real mistake he made here was in thinking Horton was a point guard and never bringing in anybody else to run the offense. Most of the bitching about his "system" came down to not really having a playmaker like Morris or Burke to set things in motion.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||3rd in catches||
7th in yards. Considering he played on a team that threw 10 TD all season long, not nearly as bad as people make it out to be, especially with the injuries factored in.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||Not to mention||
He led the team in receiving by an enormous margin. 55% more receiving yards than Darboh (the #2 WR) and 376% more than Chesson (#3 WR). He had the only catch over 34 yards and twice as many TD as Darboh (Chesson and Norfleet didn't have any).
His numbers were also virtually identical to the year before when he had a healthy, functional QB some of the time and Gallon on the other side.
If Funchess wasn't trying, I'd hate to know what everybody else on the team was doing.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Not bad||
That seems like a solid deal, all things considered. And on the bright side, in a stadium that size I doubt there is really a bad seat anywhere.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Tickets||
We've discussed going and making it part of an extended road trip, but I have a feeling tickets are going to be pretty bonkers. The stadium only holds 45,000, this is the biggest name they've had visit in who knows how long, plus you have the Harbaugh hype on our end.
Just have a feeling tickets are going to be more than I'd like to spend for one non-conference game. Would be nice to go, but I'd probably rather put $500 back in my pocket and watch on TV. That being said, I will almost assuredly pull the trigger one night while drunkenly scanning StubHub.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Respect?||
Or maybe a guy like Brandon took credit for giving the athletes all the stuff they would have gotten as Michigan athletes no matter who the athletic director was.
I can kind of sort of picture a world in which he'd be the kind of guy to take credit for shit he didn't really have anything to do with. Then if the kids think he's the reason they are getting cool stuff, they'll not surprisingly defend him if he's attacked.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Who said that?||
This also seems like a bit of a straw man argument since Robinson is not in the D-League and has a guaranteed contract (i.e. he's got access to NBA resources and is getting paid).
If he doesn't stick in the league it will be because he's an athletic 3 who doesn't shoot or handle the ball very well (at least by NBA standards). Coming out too early or (in his opinion, probably) too late won't have anything to do with the end result. In the meantime he'll have a million bucks in the bank and a year of NBA experience (even if it is with the T-Wolves).
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Doesn't seem like an eligibility issue||
As pointed out, some guys stay four years and still are close but not quite good enough to play in the NBA (Daniel Horton comes to mind as a UM guy, who has played in the D-League and overseas, despite being Freshman of the Year and an all-conference player multiple times).
There just aren't that many spots in the league, and a lot of them are taken by veteran guys. I don't see eligibility rules changing how the story ends for these sorts of guys.
|15 weeks 20 hours ago||Crappy football||
While obviously Iowa hasn't been a terribly entertaining team to watch under Ferentz (save maybe that Brad Banks team that went to the Orange Bowl), I don't know where the idea that they have sucked lately comes from. They had one shitty season in 2012. Other than that they've been about what you would expect from Iowa relative to the other programs in the conference.
Last year they were in the middle of the pack in the western division (behind Nebraska and Wisconsin which you would expect, and also Minnesota which is I guess a bit of a letdown for them, but ahead of Illinois, Purdue, and Northwestern). The year before that they were #3 in the B1G (same record as Nebraska but beat them head to head).
They've been .500 or better in B1G play in 12 of the last 14 seasons. Do people really expect more from a program that shares a league with traditional powers like UM, OSU, PSU, and Nebraska?
|15 weeks 20 hours ago||Northwestern||
Since that special 1995 season (more than the lifetime of current recruits), they have been a decent team more often than not. Fitzgerald is 60-53 over his 9 years there (and is still just 40 years old).
At that point things like being Chicago-adjacent and benefitting from the superior academics at NU start to factor into the equation in a way they wouldn't have back in the days of abject awfulness in Wildcat football. Picking NU over UI seems pretty logical to me, at this point.
|15 weeks 21 hours ago||Cost||
$395 (for close to the worst seats in the building) amounts to $56 per ticket over 7 games. Two of those games are against Illinois State and North Texas. Let's generously say those games are worth $20 a piece on the open market, and you are still talking about the season ticket price (you know, where you are supposed to get value because you're going to every game and making a bigger investment) being over $150 a game for a pair of tickets to see Pitt, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, and Purdue. Would anyone who isn't a batshit crazy Hawkeye fanatic pay that much to see one of those games?
That's the problem.
UPDATE: Just checked the Iowa website and noticed that someone willing to skip that big rivalry game with Maryland could spend the same $150 on a pair of season tickets to all 20 UI baseball games. Just $125 if you are bringing your kid between the ages of 6-18. Kids 5 and under are free, so you can take the whole gang for a low price if you're a serious breeder.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||Don't think of Spike as "gritty"||
He's short and white, sure, but he is a very, very skilled player. He impresses me by dribbling circles around guys, making circus passes/shots, and hitting super long range threes. He plays hard, but making hustle plays would be way down the list of things he excels at, IMO.
And Jordan Morgan has to be on the list.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Short memory||
I like how they always conveniently forget that Bo basically ran the triple option with guys like Michael Taylor and Demetrius Brown and the only QB he ever had who was a better thrower than runner/option-decision-maker was probably Harbaugh.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Annoying||
The people who confuse British phraseology with soccer terminology are the worst. The Australian national team are called the Socceroos. In Spanish they called it the field/court (cancha). Enjoying the game doesn't require you to affect an accent.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Good in theory||
I like the idea of stopping people from being self-absorbed assholes, but giving more authority to my big pet peeve, the usher drunk on his own power, sounds like a potential nightmare.
If I'm at a AAA baseball game or have shitty seats at a concert you don't need to check my ticket stub every time I take a leak. Hate that guy/gal.
|15 weeks 6 days ago||Other jobs and context||
People don't think of it because he was at UNLV so long and was such an iconic figure there, but he also took Long Beach State to the tourney four years in a row, twice making the Elite Eight (losing both times, once by only two points, to eventual national champions UCLA).
He also won a tournament game at Fresno State at the end of his career (made the tourney twice there).
Someone above mentioned how good those late 80's early 90's teams were, and it should be noted that UNLV was playing in the Big West at the time. To build such a powerhouse while playing in a league where you are traveling to UC Irvine and Cal State Fullerton (both played in basically high school gyms at the time) is probably unprecedented.
|15 weeks 6 days ago||Ali G||
This reminds me of when Ali G was pitching his idea to get a TV network to produce and air a hardcore porno starring J-Lo (because you never actually see "dongs going in" on TV). When asked how he will convince J-Lo to star in this picture, he suggests offering her $1 million. When asked where he will get the $1 million, he says, "That's where you lot come in."
|15 weeks 6 days ago||Ojemudia||
He was behind Roh, Beyer, Black, and Clark at defensive end. Meaning he wasn't on the 2-deep. He never beat any of those guys out before they graduated either (Clark and Beyer were still the starters last year). He at least made a minor impact (11 tackles, 1 sack). Charlton made 2 tackles as a true freshman, good for 12th among defensive linemen on the team.
There was no depth issue, there was simply Mattison's Chinese fire drill approach to subbing guys on the d-line.
|16 weeks 3 hours ago||Michigan's roster||
Ty Isaac is a guy with much better hands and route running ability than the guys we saw last year. If he plays a big role in the offense next year I'd expect a good chunk of his production to come out of the passing game.
|16 weeks 3 hours ago||Stanford||
Harbaugh's last year there Stepfan Taylor caught 28 passes (tied for 3rd on the team). The year before Toby Gerhart only caught 11 passes (because he was carrying the ball almost every play).
This seems more like a playing to skillset issue and maybe lightening the load for Gore as he gets older so he can still run the ball effecitvely.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||No reason||
Billy Donovan went to the national title game in 2000, won back to back championships in 2006 and 2007 (at a time when Michigan wasn't sniffing the tournament), and the last four years went to the Elite Eight three straight times and made the Final Four last season.
Gee, I wonder why he might land the occasional blue-chip prospect? In the lifetime of current recruits, Michigan has made the second weekend of the NCAA tournament twice. And it just happened. Bitching about guys choosing Duke and Kentucky over us and criticizing the staff because of it is incredibly dumb.
|20 weeks 2 hours ago||RS sophomore||
He played as a freshman at USC in 2013 and redshirted this past year.
|20 weeks 3 hours ago||Pass catchers||
This team needs to replace Funchess and dramatically improve in the passing game after averaging just 170 yards per game last year. The top returner posted less than 500 yards and none of the other WR broke 200.
For this team to get really good in just one year, I think Harris and Canteen have to emerge as our best two WR. Darboh reminds me of a poor man's Jason Avant (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), but when the actual Jason Avant was our top receiver the team went just 7-5. If he's the #3 guy we are in much better shape than if he's the #1. Bunting could also make a big positive impact if both he and Butt are healthy and on the field making plays.
Adding 2-3 receiving weapons would go a long way toward improving things in 2015. The line should be better and the D should be okay. We just need a lot of guys to step up at the skill positions.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Owusu and Whalen and Baldwin||
Chris Owusu ran a 4.36 at the combine and was a stud at Stanford. Had injuries so he didn't get drafted and his numbers weren't what they could have been, but he's still on an active roster in the NFL. In 2009 he ran back three kickoffs for TD (how long do you have to go back in Michigan history to get 3 return TD?).
Doug Baldwin had over 800 yards on the 2010 team that won the Orange Bowl. He plays for the Seahawks and has nearly 3,000 career yards in the NFL.
Ryan Whalen also got drafted and put up over 900 yards on the 2009 Stanford team.
Canteen maybe becomes as good as those guys, but that is it with respect to our current roster, IMO, and that is totally based on hope rather than production.
Stanford also had Zac Ertz and Coby Fleener drafted highly as TE as additional weapons in the passing game. Both of those guys put up over 700 yards this year in the NFL. Levin Toilolo put up over 200 this year with the Falcons, another TE draft pick recruited by Harbaugh.
The difference is pretty stark. I'm excited about what he'll build, but acting like this current Michigan squad looks like what he left behind at Stanford is very wishful thinking, IMO.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Alex Smith||
I think people are overstating how big of a transformation took place there. In 2009 he completed just over 60% of his passes, threw 18 TD and 12 INT. In 2010 he just under 60% of his passes and threw 14 TD and 10 INT. Both years he was dealing with injuries and getting yanked in and out of the lineup by a shitshow coaching staff.
In 2011 he completed 61.3% of his passes, threw 17 TD and 5 INT. He got better and the team improved dramatically, but he didn't come as far as people seem to think (meaning he wasn't a total disaster before Harbaugh arrived, more a young QB playing on a shitty team). He was making positive plays before Harbaugh arrived, he just cut back slightly on the mistakes and his career took off.
I don't know if expecting the same kind of transformation is fair when we're talking about a guy who has literally done nothing on the field so far. Morris may be a late bloomer, but he also may just have been overrated coming out of high school, through no fault of his own.
I also think you are underestimating the weakness at WR. Darboh has looked like a decent possession receiver at best (nice production this year but only a long of 34 yards). None of the other guys you mentioned have done anything of note on the field, and the young guys did not make an immediate impact nor are they can't miss type prospects. Losing Gallon last year and Funchess this year leaves a big production void, especially if we no longer have a mobile QB to pad the rushing stats a'la OSU or Oregon. We don't need one guy to carry the load, but we need playmakers. Contrast what we have with what USC threw on the field in the Holiday Bowl (true freshman Adoree Jackson with a kickoff return TD and a 70+ yard catch and run, JuJu Smith with 700+ yards as a true freshman, Agholor with 1,300+ yards, and 5-star guys on the bench). And they still lost 4 games this year.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Consider him?||
The guys we have coming back have combined to throw for 0 TD and 9 INT so far in their UM careers. One has completed less than 50% of his passes and the other less than 20%. Neither has won a game as a starter.
Kevin Hogan has thrown 48 TD compared to 21 INT. He won a Pac-12 title last year and went to the Rose Bowl and he just won a bowl game this year.
If you can get him with just a one year commitment this is the definition of a no brainer.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Did something right||
He got to play New England to end the year when they had clinched their playoff position. Instead of Tom Brady, he beat Janeane Garofalo and got above .500. Otherwise they are 8-8, just like Joe Philbin (WHO?) and the Dolphins the past two seasons. Is he a hot commodity in the league now too?
And it isn't like Syracuse is some historically downtrodden program. They just hired Greg Robinson and were a .500 team in Pasqualoni's last couple years. David Cutcliffe has been more impressive at two spots in college, but I don't see the Jets knocking down his door.
The guy the Jets fired went to the AFC title game. Twice. With Mark Sanchez. That is at least something to put on a resume rather than, "I went 9-7 once and rebuilt Syracuse from shitty back to mediocre."
|21 weeks 5 days ago||He should take the money and go where he wants||
It just makes zero sense to me how this guy is a candidate to replace Rex Ryan who seems to be a candidate to replace everybody else who got fired, unless some random coordinator gets those gigs.
Seems like a league full of retreads and shot-in-the-dark candidates. Obviously Marrone should take whatever opportunities are there, I just don't understand how anyone is excited to hire him, much less multiple competing NFL franchises.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Don't make a lick of sense||
The guy goes .500 exactly at Syracuse and doesn't really leave them any stronger than when he got there (Shafer is 10-15 since). But he gets a head coaching gig in the NFL. He goes 15-17 there, then thinks he is in such high demand that he gives up his contract willingly, thinking he will get an even better job.
And yet the 49ers wanted to get rid of Jim Harbaugh? What the fuck is up with that league?
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Dream scenario||
I think you are talking about raises and new titles to get some of these guys, but it seems doable. If Roman isn't coming, I could easily see giving Drevno an OC title (in addition to OL coach and run game coordinator, which is his title at USC). Morton comes in as WR coach and passing game coordinator (pretty much the title/role he's had at USC in the past). Harbaugh handles QB. And the guy from Kentucky gets a raise and recruiting guru title alone with handling TE. Add a RB coach and you're good to go on that side of the ball. Then some combo of Durkin, Mattison, and a few others on D.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||The youngest?||
After RS sophomore Chad Wheeler (a returning starter at tackle) got hurt, the line was three true freshmen, a touted RS sophomore who still hadn't really played before (Zach Banner), and true junior Max Tuerk.
They went 9-4 and just smoked ND. Buck Allen rushed for almost 1,500 yards. Justin Davis has just under 600 more. Kessler threw 39 TD and 5 INT.
Especially for a conventional offense without a running QB, that is insane from a line that young.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||The flip side of that||
You have to wonder how much posturing was going on from NFL teams. I find it hard to believe that notorious cheapskate owners were ready to roll out the big bucks and give personnel control to Harbaugh (even if that would probably be a good idea for their team). Seems like they wanted to look like they were interested without making any serious overtures and were more than happy to see a college team pay up to land him.
If I'm a reporter and guys at the Raiders and Bears whisper they are going after Harbaugh, I suppose it is hard to ignore those guys or straight up call their bluff. But once the Niners were willing to let him go (with no compensation as they were entitled to from an NFL team) the charade was up. Yet people like Rapoport and Flanagan still didn't see through it. That is when it got really ridiculous for me.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Morton||
He has fairly elite college pedigree as well. He was the USC WR coach from 2007-09 (they finished #3 in the AP poll the first two years, in year three they went 9-4 with a freshman QB but Damian Williams was a 1,000 yard receiver). He then worked under Kiffin and left after the 2011 season when they went 10-2 and had a very prolific offense with Barkley, Woods, Lee, Kalil, etc.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Harbau$h||
He'll probably be getting a raise and an upgraded title if he comes. Those don't hurt either.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Drevno||
He would be a huge pick-up. He was at Stanford with Harbaugh when they recruited and developed guys like Martin and DeCastro and all the dudes that paved the way for Shaw's great record.
At USC this past year, he started three true freshmen on the offensive line in the Holiday Bowl. A game where the Trojans scored 45 points and ran for nearly 200 yards.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Both sides?||
People have reported the leak came from both sides and it makes sense that it would. Dunn is trying to land Harbaugh a megadeal in the NFL. Even if Jim doesn't take it, a team willing to fork over that kind of money helps Dunn and all NFL agents in future negotiations. And like you said, Michigan wants to scare off NFL teams.
My guess is the agent knew Jim was dealing with UM and would likely end up there, but that stoking the NFL flames was good for all parties (his other clients see an overall rise in pay, Michigan looks like they beat out a multitude of pro teams while paying less money, Jim looks like a boss, etc.).
It was just annoying that we had to deal with NFL folks passing along every nudge of the coals as news rather than digging deeper and seeing what in hindsight looks like a case where Jim chose UM a while ago and had a deal in place the second the 49er season ended.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Different scenario in 2011||
Kawakami used his not coming in in 2011 as reason to assume he wouldn't be interested now (and the fact that he didn't leave the Niners immediately after making the NFC Championship game for a third year in a row to take the job at Texas or USC last year). While I would assume Brandon's presence didn't help (and I'd love to blame him), the situation was a lot different then. Guys like Martin and Luck and DeCastro still had two years of eligibility left at Stanford. I don't see Jim as the kind of guy who would ditch those folks to take another college job in the middle of their careers. Jim also hadn't experienced the NFL and I would assume that was a much more alluring challenge than it is now after 4 years in the league.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Not necessarily||
Even if he knew what was going on, he has an interest in promoting his client and fielding offers. A perceived bidding war makes sure Jim can consider every possible offer and it creates a rising tide that helps other coaching clients throughout the league. A team that missed on Harbaugh is presumably more likely to pay up for option #2. Even the leaking of contract details makes Jim look good now that we know the actual deal was for less than the mega record contract originally reported.
The folks who I know for a fact were out of the loop were the NFL reporters who kept acting like Jim was looking at NFL teams even after SF immediately let him out of his contract, something they never would have done if another NFL team was a serious option. Either they were stirring shit for clicks or are ridiculously dumb.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Just a hunch||
I think old Mr. Hackett is fibbing a bit when he says Jim agreed to take the job yesterday. Quite a lot of billboards up (not to mention other logistical considerations) in a really short amount of time.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||All of them?||
I doubt the Niners are going after a BCS-bowl winning college coach after what just went down and they aren't going to poach a currently successful NFL coach. So the candidates are retreads, more middle of the road college coaches (I'm thinking like Mariucci was when he got the job there) and coordinators. Those guys are presumably going to jump at the job unless they have a better offer. And even then, wouldn't they rather have the Niners current talent than go to maybe the Raiders or Bears, even assuming they are that desired as to have multiple teams after them?
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Definitely agree on college coaches||
I wonder if the trend will continue as NFL teams continue to pinch their pennies knowing the cash is coming in no matter what and that they might as well keep recycling guys or promoting coordinators who will take the job for less cash. And will NCAA teams continue to spend for the cream of the crop guys with proven track records. This makes me all the more curious about how legit the NFL offers for Harbaugh were and for how much dough and for how much control. Do the Raiders, for example, really want to bet the farm that he can right the ship and be the personnel guy, and if he succeeds how much do they have to pay him then?
It will be interesting to see what happens after the playoffs this year. If, say, Carroll, wins a second Super Bowl do teams start throwing money and control at guys like Saban, Harbaugh or somebody currently out of coaching who has won before? Or will teams continue to gamble on no-name guys and retreads and hope they land a franchise QB who gets along with them?
|21 weeks 6 days ago||RB||
Don't really watch the high school film or anything so don't really have an opinion on where Peppers would fit, it would just be nice to get the ball in the hands of our best athletes. To me that is the primary downfall of the Hoke era, and the thing that could hurt us going forward, not bringing in enough dynamic offensive playmakers.
I'm curious why you're so high on the RB position though. Do you think Green had turned a corner before his injury or that Isaac is going to be something special? Or just the rising tide of (hopefully) better line and QB play?
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Or offense||
Where he could potentially be a massive upgrade and impact player.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||I didn't offer an opinion about his greatness as a coach||
I'm simply pointing out that the gap between "excitement" (however little that means to you) and people wearing "Fire Dave Brandon" t-shirts in a stadium that gets less and less crowded every week is huge.
And that the excitement and the moratorium torches and pitchforks are far different for a Harbaugh hire than they are for any other candidate in the country. You will notice there is zero debate about whether or not it was a good choice or if it will work out eventually? Can you imagine that happening if anyone else gets the job?
There's value in that, especially after what went on this past season at Michigan.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||In aggregate||
Yes, the odds that a random 4-star guy makes the NFL are higher than they are for random 3-star. Yes, higher recruiting rankings generally correlates with more wins.
Saying, Derrick Green (or whoever) has 5-stars so he'll be better than 3-star guys Harbaugh "coached up" at Stanford is just not the case. USC has had plenty of 5-star guys who sucked or who never cracked the depth charge. Toby Gerhart was the leading rusher in CA high school history. Big programs and recruiting services whiffed on him because he was a big white RB.
The theory that our roster is set up for success is based on a theory that guys we've seen play are as good as their star ranking. If we had the high school expectations of Pipkins, Kalis, etc. lining up this past year, we would have been good this past year too. That didn't happen.
Maybe injuries kept Pipkins from being that guy. Maybe Isaac is that guy at RB. Maybe Peppers back healthy makes a difference and potentially helps on offense. Maybe Morris is a bit of a late bloomer.
Not saying this stuff can't happen. But assuming it will after what we've seen from the Hoke classes so far seems like a recipe for disappointment. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not dialing up my own expectations until we see success on the field or we get to see the team Harbaugh is building.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||How it works?||
I'm not an NFL fan at all, but it seems like paying for a coach and getting a name guy isn't necessarily the way to success, at least in the minds of ownership. Plenty of winners haven't been able to replicate it in different circumstances (just the nature of the league, it's hard to be really good and it's harder when you have Steve Beuerlein instead of Steve Young). Meanwhile the top coaches seem to all be guys who somebody took a flyer on.
Belichick was 36-44 with the Browns over five years. Went back to being a Parcells assistant for four years, started 5-13 in New England, then Tom Brady fell into his lap via injury and the guy becomes a legend. Mike Tomlin was a defensive coordinator for one year with the Vikings before getting the Steelers job (where he's had success with the same QB Cowher won a Super Bowl with two years earlier). John Harbaugh was never a coordinator before getting the Ravens job.
Chuck Pagano has virtually the same winning percentage as Jim Harbaugh. Jim Caldwell has been to a Super Bowl and just led the Lions to one of their best seasons ever. I had to look up who both of them were.
I think NFL owners don't want to spend money when they don't have to and they see a recipe for success that doesn't involve paying a high profile coach, and certainly not giving one personnel power or a huge salary. I think most are reluctant to make the deal Carroll and Kelly got (and Belichick got after winning multiple Super Bowls). That is what Harbaugh could/would demand presumably, so I guess that explains them trying or being willing to cut bait now.
I honestly wonder how much Kaepernick plays a role in this. If he's Jim's guy and they don't think he's the guy they need to be elite consistently, does that force this decision and set about a roster turnover at the position (and probably a change in offensive philosophy as well).
|21 weeks 6 days ago||You can at least acknowledge the chasm||
In just the last few months we were on the national news because it appeared one of our players may have been seriously injured and then put back into the game at great risk by a more or less oblivious coach (not the fairest portrayal, perhaps, but pretty much how the story looked on the air). We had a series of controversies and clashes between the school administration, fans, and the athletic director (student seating, Coke giveaway, "NO" vote on fireworks, etc.) culminating in the publication of shitty emails the athletic director sent to disgruntled fans, the publication of which saw him fired under threat of a fan boycott and ongoing active protests in the stadium. Then we kept losing. Then fewer and fewer seats were filled at each game. Then the coach got fired.
Contrast that with hiring the hottest coaching candidate in all of football (for less money than the pros offered, after virtually every national media outlet implied there was zero chance of landing) and introducing him to a packed basketball arena full of screaming fans.
Maybe "saved" is too strong a word, but the difference in the situations before this hire and after it could not be more different.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Jones||
Jerry was an all-SWC player at Arkansas. He was also the GM of the Cowboys when they built that early 1990's dynasty, and despite the criticism (some valid) he did win another Super Bowl after Johnson left. And has a decent team again now.
He probably doesn't know as much as he thinks he does, but he has infinitely more football credibility than those other guys.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||100% credibility||
I'm pretty confident in the long term (as we all should be), but this hire also solidifies the short-term better than any other possibly could. This team could very easily be mediocre to bad again the next year or two (we could improve, but we didn't go 5-7 because this is a national title contender in the making). If Dan Mullen or Mora or Schiano or maybe even Les Miles is the coach if/when that happens, people are going to dissent and doubt. If it is some no name coordinator or a lower level HC things would be much worse.
If this team isn't good right away, I don't think any UM fan is going to think that is Jim Harbaugh's fault. Nor will there be any real doubt about how good we'll still be in year 4+ when the program he wants to build is in place (just like what happened at Stanford).
Hackett bought the program a near complete moratorium on criticism and doubt from the fanbase and guaranteed ticket demand until at least the middle of the 2018 season. Considering where we were with Coke giveaways and Brandon's other horseshit and the concussion bufoonery, we've come a long way in a short time thanks to the two Jims.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Not arguing the conclusion||
Yes, Hoke deserved to go in my opinion. But using recruiting stars as a direct proxy for talent is just way off base. Jake Ryan, whether he got "coached up" was incredibly successful under coach Hoke. So was Patrick Omameh. Desmond Morgan has been very good. Gallon blossomed under Hoke when he had done little before that. Fitz busted out with a 1,000 yard season.
Coaching didn't stop Lewan, Denard, Schofield, Countess, or other highly rated recruits who were also good players from excelling. A lot of those guys only played for Hoke at UM.
The problem is he didn't bring in enough players who were as good as those guys, not that he couldn't get good players to play well. Harbaugh brought in Andrew Luck in his first class at Stanford. Hoke didn't sign a QB. Harbaugh brought in Martin and DeCastro, future NFL players who were all-conference as RS freshmen. Hoke saw Lewan, Schofield, and Omameh (and BWC) head to the league while guys that he recruited struggled to crack the lineup and/or block the opposition.
College football is about building a program. Jim Harbaugh didn't make the shitty teams at Stanford he walked into good. He got the most he could out of them, but that was only 4 or 5 wins. The team he built at Stanford was a juggernaut though. Sort of the opposite of the guy he's replacing. I think we'll be patient even if there are initial struggles, but I hope I'm not wrong. The payoff should be fantastic.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Drew Sharp||
Quiet up until then, for maximum effect.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||$5 million||
Jim Harbaugh had a losing record after three full seasons at Stanford. Why do you think that happened? Did it take him a while to get good at coaching? He's getting paid a lot of money because he knows how to find guys like Andrew Luck, Jonathan Martin, David DeCastro, and Stepfan Taylor, identify their talent (rather than depending on websites), convince them to enroll at the school he's at, and then win lots of games. He'll get as much as anybody possibly can out of what we've got, but it may still not make you happy. What he brings in a few years from now will make us all happy.
If you disagree with how this works, explain how Brady Hoke went 11-2 in his first season here and 5-7 in his final season. Please. I'll hang up and listen.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||You didn't disagree with me||
You misquoted me and made a nonsensical claim.
Me: "Typically the more times you roll the dice the team with more talent is going to come out on top" (This is a statement about quality vs. competition and probability, it is essentially the basis of modern baseball statistics)
You: "so the nfl is really just a roll of the dice? all teams have the same access to the same top talent, so they should just cancel the games and roll dice?" (You have turned a claim about superior teams being better over any extended sample size into a claim that all NFL teams have equal talent and should be replaced by dudes throwing bones in an alley)
This is why I labeled you as "intentionally obtuse". If you don't think these kinds of illogical leaps deserve to be denigrated, then my guess is you'll have far greater difficulties in life than chatting with me on a message board.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Some worked, some didn't||
No one is saying teams don't make adjustments throughout the game and at halftime. But both teams do the same thing. The guys at MSU and Utah and Northwestern and OSU aren't blithering idiots who can be tricked out of their pot of gold. They have pretty much the same football knowledge and insight as our guys do, give or take a few IQ points in each instance.
The OP began with a completely bullshit premise that Michigan's prior success was thanks in large part to Gary Moeller and Lloyd Carr joining heads with their staff members in the locker room and figuring out how to trick the opposition when the game resumed. And he assumed that Jim Harbaugh would bring that back, even though there is no evidence that his prior teams made any significant improvement at halftime (the good teams were good all the time and the bad teams pretty much sucked all the time). I know for a fact that the 49ers offense was terrible after halftime this year. Poor adjustments by our new savior? Or offensive line injuries? Gee, I wonder which one it was...
You know it better than anyone. If you played as much as you claim, you know that your team was for the most part as good as the talent level relative to the competition. When you won a lot of games, it wasn't because the coach kept rolling 7's and when you lost it probably had more to do with other guys being bigger, faster, stronger, etc. than the coach changing things up and putting you in a bad spot all of a sudden.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||This is Michigan||
This is a fanbase that supported replacing the reigning Pac-12 coach of the year with a guy with a career losing record, crowed about their brilliance after one year, and now thinks Brady Hoke sucks but that he somehow in his suckitude left behind a program ready to compete for championships right away.
Jim Hackett may have saved us all in the long run, but combating our own idiocy is still a necessary and noble undertaking, IMO.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||"our massive talent advantage"||
When we had that talent advantage (Molk, Omameh, Lewan, Schofield, Denard, Fitz, Hemingway, Gallon, Roundtree on offense, Ryan, Countess, Martin, RVB, Demens, Morgan, Kovacs, Roh, etc. on D), Brady Hoke went 11-2. Last year we went 5-7. Maybe if Peppers is healthy and lives up to the hype and Morris lives up to the hype and Pipkins is healthy and lives up to the hype and Green is healthy and lives up to the hype and Isaac lives up to the hype and Kalis lives up to the hype and a lot of other ifs come true then I can get on board with your talent assumption. And even then there are chinks in the armor (Who replaces a guy like Ryan or Clark?).
And just to be clear, people were plenty confident going into this year that we would get better despite losing Gallon, Lewan, Fitz, and Schofield. Rather than question their own prognostication skills, they blamed Hoke (and the lack of recruiting success is indeed largely his fault). But I'm just not interested in hearing lists of names of guys who've done nothing on the field as proof that we have better players than MSU or Utah (both of whom kicked our ass this year) or even teams like Maryland and Rutgers until we actually see it.
As far as developing guys, Ryan only played under Hoke and was awesome. Same goes for Countess and Morgan. Gallon did little to nothing prior to Hoke's arrival. Gardner emerged as a star QB under Hoke prior to this past year when everything fell apart. Schofield never played prior to Hoke's arrival and Lewan went from talented freshman to superstar. Kovacs got better. Demens got better. Roh got better.
Some of that is natural age/progression, but plenty of guys played fantastically with Hoke as their coach and plenty played their best with Hoke as the coach.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||More examples||
In Hoke's first year on the job, we outscored opponents 93-45 in the 3rd quarter, and 124-56 in the 4th (we crushed teams in the 2nd quarter as well).
This past year, we were outscored 69-52 in the 3rd and 77-60 in the 4th (we were outscored in the 2nd quarter as well).
Good teams play well most of the time and bad teams do the opposite. Brady Hoke didn't start eating retard sandwiches and Jim Harbaugh isn't going to make us better by feeding everybody smart pills. You win by building a championship roster. We'll see if we have one yet in the fall, but I doubt it. In four years though, I can guarantee we'll be melting faces across the B1G.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Intentionally obtuse||
Some teams are more talented than others. They win the roll of the dice. Those teams typiclaly win the game and are more successful in individual parts of the game over an extented sample size. This ain't rocket science.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Tell that to the guys playing the fucking game||
And I'm the one that is condescending.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Both teams get coached up||
All game long. Everyone is trying to win. Typically the more times you roll the dice the team with more talent is going to come out on top.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Agree on Hoke being detrimental||
Still, a coach in-season is worth a game or two at most either way. I think we should have one one or two more in 2011 and we almost certainly should have hit 7-5 this year, but we weren't any better than that. Still, Hoke didn't get remarkably worse at coaching every year he was here. This wasn't a good team last year, but significant improvement is possible (SEE 2006 and 2011). I just don't know that we're in as advantageous a position as we were going into those seasons (two years where I was supremely confident going in that we would have an elite team).
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Jim Harbaugh||
At Stanford in year 1 they got outscored 81-57 in the 3rd quarter (after outplaying their opponents in the 2nd quarter) and got crushed 105-57 in the 4th.
In year 2 the 3rd quarter was their worst, losing 72-55 (they outscored opponents in the second and fourth quarters and only lost quarter number one by 2 points).
In year 3 they won every quarter except the 3rd quarter, and were better in the first and second quarter than they were in the fourth.
In year 4 when they were an awesome team, they destroyed teams in the 3rd quarter, though even then at a lesser rate than they did in quarters 1 and 2.
Both teams are trying in every game. Thinking your guys can win or do better simply by trying harder is fucking stupid.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Dumb||
"Halftime adjustments" are the purview of idiotic fans everywhere. In 2007 Michigan got outscored in the 3rd quarter. In 2005 they were dead even in 2nd half points throughout the year.
In 2006 we dominated the 3rd quarter 95-46.
Did the "adjustments" and coaching moves change or was one team a lot better because Jake Long and Mike Hart were present and healthy and Harris/Hall/Woodley were there on defense? Gee, I wonder...
In other words, good teams are better most of the time and bad/mediocre teams struggle no matter what point in the game you are talking about. RichRod walked into some shitty teams here and Hoke's teams got worse every year as the talent level dipped. They didn't get dumber or stop trying to trick the opposition or refuse to make sweet motivational speeches in the locker room.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Reasons for hope||
Just to be clear, I'm not all doom and gloom. It's possible Isaac is the best RB on the roster and a big upgrade. The o-line should be better across the board and it's possible getting Bosch back is a very big boost (he was a top-5 guy as a true freshman) and there could be talent lurking in the 2013 class ready to break out. Canteen could emerge, IMO. I agree on Butt, especially if he's healthy. Peppers and Pipkins also suffered from injuries and getting them back could be a big boost.
I'm optimistic, just not confident. If this team is going to get significantly better, it will be because of new guys, but there is potential that new guys could make a big difference.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Bama||
They were on major probation and scholarship reductions twice after Gene Stallings retired. They had 10-win seasons under DuBose (won the SEC in year 3 and lost to UM in Orange Bowl, went 3-8 a year later and got fired), Franchione (went 10-3 in year 2 and left for Texas A&M because of sanctions), and Shula (10-2 in year three and a top-10 finish, fired a year later after going 6-6).
Bama couldn't sustain success because of coaching turnover and very harsh sanctions. But they were never far away from being good. Saban rode the wave of big recruiting classes after the limitations were lifted and never looked back, but the myth that they were a down in the dumps program is dumb.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||By that logic||
Jim Harbaugh is a worse coach than David Shaw because he got way better results and has a much better record.
Brady Hoke had no trouble getting Jake Ryan to be a Butkus finalist or getting Frank Clark to double digit TFL or getting Denard to rush for 1,000 yards every year or getting Jeremy Gallon to break the single season receiving record or getting Taylor Lewan to win B1G lineman of the year or getting BWC and Schofield drafted or getting Countess to 1st team all B1G, and on and on and on.
The problem is he only recruited one of those guys and as some of them left the team got a lot worse every year.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||More than that||
We need a QB, a WR (or 2), a RB, maybe another RB or a QB rushing threat, and at leat two fo the young linemen to emerge as ELITE talents. And that is just to get back to 2011 when we were a tad short of our goals (beat State, win B1G, etc.).
People act like Brady Hoke screwed things up by not coaching well. He didn't. He was the same guy who went 11-2 in year one. The team just got worse as talented guys left and highly touted but unproductive guys took their place.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Comparing teams dumber||
Devin got worse as Jeremy Gallon (leading single season receiver in M history), Denard Robinson, Roy Roundtree, Patrick Omameh (NFL starter), Taylor Lewan (2-time lineman of hte year in the B1G), Fitz (on the Ravens active roster), and Schofield left school.
Yeah, he seemed a step slower this year, but the supporting cast got worse at just about every position. The same people who predicted Brady Hoke was building a juggernaut should not be trusted now if they still think a juggernaut is in place.
We made the best hire imaginable, but any success in the next three years is total gravy.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Serviceable don't make you good||
Devin Gardner accounted for 50 touchdowns in his first 17 starts at Michigan. He was a 4-5 star talent coming out of high school. He was better than "serviceable" and we sucked ass this year. 5-7 ain't close to good.
If the team is good next year it will be because a lot of guys took an enormous leap and a lot of newcomers made an impact (Isaac, Bosch coming back, maybe a healthy Pipkins, Peppers, etc.). It could happen, but it isn't particularly likely at all, especially given how last year went and the fact that we lose Ryan, Clark, Taylor, Gardner, Funchess, etc. (i.e. a lot of our best players on offense and defense).
And if it does happen, we all probably owe Brady Hoke a sincere apology.
|22 weeks 23 hours ago||FWIW||
Kawakami claims he reconfirmed with Niners ownership that Harbaugh has in fact been released from his deal without any restrictions, NFL or otherwise. Which basically tells me this was a done deal for at least a few days and the Niners have been in the loop the whole time.
Like you say, they may very well maintain the right to some mid-round pick down the road if Harbaugh should sign with another team, but everything they are doing/saying jives with him going to Michigan.
|22 weeks 23 hours ago||Wouldn't think so||
We've all seen what can happen when you expect people in charge to act rationally (SEE: Brandon, David) and we are talking about people who actively pushed Jim Harbaugh out of their football organization, but I can't imagine they would allow him to go to another NFL team without being compensated, or giving up that right without knowing damn well what is happening and that it doesn't involve moving across the bay. Or maybe even, like you suggest, keeping that right even if he doesn't take an NFL job right away.
The fact that it wasn't mentioned by the Niners and that they cut ties with Harbaugh so soon after the game leads me to believe they knew for a fact he was going to Michigan and that this was all done ahead of time. The fact that all these nebulous reports about continuing NFL interest don't even address the need to compensate the Niners further confirms that people are just talking out of their ass in NFL circles.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Sources||
This really shouldn't be surprising. Schefter's sources are probably all folks who work for NFL teams or agents for NFL coaches. Agents want these rumors around to drive up the price for all of their other clients. NFL owners who don't want to pay $8 million and give total control to Harbaugh still want to look like they tried so their fans don't mutiny when they trot out some retread or unheard of coordinator as the new head coach.
It's impressive that they can keep this up when the Niners already agreed to let him go (Does anyone really think they'd risk letting him go to another NFL team with zero compensation?), but it shouldn't be a total surprise.
|23 weeks 3 days ago||Benefit of the doubt||
People seem to think this is a talented team that was done in by incompetent coaching, but the reality is this team has gotten worse every year and with recent small recruiting classes (and the departure of most of our difference makers like Gardner, Funchess, Ryan, Clark, etc.) there isn't a lot of help waiting in the wings.
This team could very well be really bad next year, especially if Hoke/Borges whiffed on QB recruiting. No one will blame Jim Harbaugh if that is the case. I think just about everybody will happily wait to see what he builds, citing Stanford as the example of where we're headed in year 4 and beyond. Miles may also get some benefit of the doubt. I don't think a guy like Dan Mullen does. RichRod obviously didn't, and he had a stronger resume coming in. A couple of mediocre seasons and he'll be on a rapidly warming seat.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||They can just ask us||
You don't need ads at all. If Hackett said, "All UM fans need to donate until we reach X dollars so we can afford Harbaugh," they would be flooded with cash. We are happy to pay for the things we love. Just ask nicely and we pony up the dough all the time. You don't need to bilk Stephen Ross out of millions and then try to squeeze a few more pennies out of any available ad space, especially when doing so makes us all feel a little less generous.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Where their bread is buttered||
The WWE folks probably look at their balance sheet and see all the Cena t-shirts little kids are buying and make their decisions based in part on that. If they catered exclusively to the "smarks" they would make a lot less money. The most serious wrestling fans loved ECW, but ECW still went out of business. When you are trying to please more people, you have to do things some of them won't like.
Way more people watch The Big Bang Theory than watch Game of Thrones. Just because the latter show is a lot better doesn't mean the former should be in a hurry to change what they are doing.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||This guy sounds like a dumbass||
But he's not wrong about paying players. If you take away the college football infrastructure, nobody would give a fuck about semi-pro or minor league football. The money is there because of the history of college football and the relationships fans have with schools/teams. Way more people watch Duke/Carolina basketball than watch the D-League, even though the quality of play is almost certainly higher in the latter. Women's college basketball gets higher ratings than the WNBA on a regular basis.
Without college football, only a fraction of these guys would see any benefit and would be forced to compete against much older players for roster spots in some minor league. Way fewer guys would get roughly the same money. You can argue all you want about whether or not guys want to be paid in education, but in terms of dollars the college system provides players with way more than they would get on the open market if that system didn't exist.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Not the point||
How many minor league baseball jerseys does anybody buy? Or Arena Football? A lot of those guys are probably better at what they do than Tate Forcier (who sold a few jerseys himself).
If Denard (or anybody) had played for the Ann Arbor Scalawags instead of the University of Michigan, no one would own his jersey or know who he is.
The money comes into college football because the schools and their history provide the value. On the free market, less than 10% of the players would have a place to play and they would probably be making less than $50,000 a year (just like in the XFL or Arena League).
|24 weeks 4 days ago||A Stanford thing?||
The post-Harbaugh classes at Stanford have been similarly diverse geographically and their basketball recruiting follows a similar pattern. The school is in a unique position in that it is by a wide margin the best spot academically where you can play high level sports. For regular students, Stanford's peers are Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT rather than Cal or Michigan, or even Duke.
Anyone serious about academics is going to have them right at the top of their list (which is why they excel at the Olympic sports), but they also have to look a little harder to find folks who can get in and succeed academically. Stanford is both attractive nationally to student athletes and requires its coaches to search nationally for qualified kids.
It does seem like great practice for recruiting at Michigan, a place that has national pull but not a terribly strong recruiting base.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Opportunity lost||
If Urban had just smelled burning hair we might have had another chance at a "health scare" retirement. Now we're stuck with this fucker in Columbus for at least another year.
Fuck you, Instagram!
|25 weeks 4 days ago||Last time||
I've always wondered if we talked to him about the job opening in 2011. At Hoke's introductory press conference, Brandon talked about other candidates who "made it all about them" or something to that effect (as opposed to Hoke who would walk from San Diego to take the job).
At the time, there was a rumor about the M plane or Brandon being in the same town as Gruden while he covered a game and Tirico had an awkward on-air moment where he basically asked Jon if he was taking any other job and Gruden sort of sheepishly shook his head "no". Pretty sure Hoke was announced shortly after that.
It would be great to know more inside details of what went down with the last search. And if Gruden was interested then I'd hope we ask again and this time don't act shocked when the Super Bowl champion coach with the sweet job maybe thinks we need him more than he needs Michigan.
|25 weeks 6 days ago||The abyss||
If you're right and Hoke has us on the verge of success, we'll be fine. Letting Rodriguez go didn't stop us from going 11-2. Maybe Paul Hackett deserved to coach a team where Carson Palmer and Troy Polamalu were upperclassmen, but it didn't stop Pete Carroll from having incredible success. A good team will be good, no matter who coaches it.
We don't, in my opinion, have a very good team right now (hence the 5-7 record with the same coach who went 11-2 in year one). You say we had an elite defense but advanced stats put us more in the middle of the pack. We also lose a four year starter who was 1st team all B1G at middle linebacker and who is a Butkus finalist, plus three year starters at both DE spots who earned all-conference recognition.
On offense, there is no evidence that we have a QB, anyone other than Funchess at WR (and he very well might be gone), or a top-notch RB. Maybe a guy like Isaac emerges. Maybe Canteen just needed a year to adjust to college and becomes a legit weapon opposite a returning Funchess next year. Maybe Shane is a bit of a late bloomer or Speight is ready early. The line may continue to improve, or it may top out at mediocre at best (it is possible they are now getting in the right spots but also just aren't that good). We have a lot of maybes there, and that is just to get better than 5-7.
|26 weeks 2 hours ago||Another factor||
Leaving Luck and those guys he recruited in the middle of their careers to go coach another college team would be a lot different than taking the Michigan job four years later when they are all gone.
|26 weeks 3 hours ago||Candidates||
I agree with your reasoning, but I think there is a little more to the situation. If you are looking to bring in Harbaugh or Miles, you want somebody who has their phone number or at least has the number of another guy who does. If you search the viable AD candidates with that kind of access to those particular guys, you come up with the guys you mentioned and maybe one or two others. Bringing in any of those guys requires an immediate decision and a long term commitment. If Schlissel and Co. aren't ready to make that decision or just don't want to jump the gun, Hackett is a nice solution.
He has access to Harbaugh/Miles because of his history with the program but he doesn't require a significant financial commitment or a long contract from the university.
I think we'd all be pretty happy if we got an elite coach and then went out and conducted a thorough AD search that included guys who didn't attend or work at Michigan at some point. Hackett provides a chance to do that, or at least that could be what the powers that be are thinking.
|26 weeks 5 days ago||Fez rules!||
Stop being mean to him.
Far as the defense goes, I just think they're almot impossible to evaluate because the offense has been so shitty. Much like the 2010 offense, it is really hard to figure out how they would perform under remotely normal circumstances.
|26 weeks 5 days ago||Downvoted||
This post contains no information about World Television Champion Arn Anderson.
|26 weeks 6 days ago||"didn't perform as well"||
I would have to think literally not being permitted to play in half the games due to an NCAA suspension for taking money from an agent had more to do with his struggles as a senior than losing Woodson.
Hard to play well when you aren't in fact playing.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Notre Dame||
I'm pretty sure the issue there isn't with respect to admissions entirely, but rather the curriculum. From what I recall, everybody there has to take calculus (certainly not the case for people like myself at UM) and that puts a strain on who can get in and/or stay eligible.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Witty||
He didn't qualify initially. His case was weird because he only became eligible after a semester of what would have been his freshman year went by.
Don't know if he was considered a transfer or something like that by admissions, but he's literally the only person who met the minimum NCAA requirements and didn't get admitted to UM. We haven't had any other recruits fail to get in here but enroll at another D-1 school instead.
|29 weeks 28 min ago||Hoke didn't recruit Jake Ryan||
In fact he didn't offer him, even at SDSU.
Obviously the "hood" comments are dumb. That doesn't mean there isn't a major issue with talent identification on this staff. And it's an issue that doesn't magically go away if we bring in a new coach next year. Just because Larry Foote is not so great at diagnosing the problem, doesn't mean he's missing the point entirely.
|29 weeks 2 hours ago||Two things||
Obviously the wording is silly and Foote is making dumb generalizations with respect to race and class. But I'd disagree about a coach instilling that toughness in players. So would the guy everybody seems to want to be the coach at Michigan.
Jim Harbaugh made it a point at Stanford that the first thing he looked at when evaluating a recruit was toughness, presumably both mental and physical. Obviously he didn't focus exclusively on inner city kids, but he didn't bring in kids expecting to change them. He prioritized the traits he wanted his players to have coming in.
That differs a bit from "The Profile" we've been hearing so much about the last few years.
|29 weeks 2 hours ago||For Magnus||
I don't really see how that refutes Foote's point. Frank Clark is the best player Hoke and Co. have brought in, probably by a significant margin. If Foote is saying "We need more guys like Frank Clark on the team" I don't know that he's wrong.
|29 weeks 6 days ago||Not just Luck||
Stanford got good, and stayed good after Harbaugh left, because he recruited Luck and Martin and DeCastro and a bunch of defensive players.
Coaches don't make teams good. Especially in college. They can make them better, but they can't make them good. Harbaugh's record at Stanford was shitty his first 2-3 years because of what he inherited. It was awesome his last year and for three years after that because of what he built (shocking that things have started to slip now that the Harbaugh recruits are leaving campus).
Who knows what would happen in the first three years if he comes to Michigan. And nobody should fucking care. In year four and beyond we'd probably be awesome, because that is what the guy does. As long as we don't fire him like we did the last good coach we hired, we'll be fine.
|30 weeks 4 days ago||What are you talking about?||
State comes in at #18 in both polls. In the last 7 years, they've made at least the Sweet Sixteen 6 times (including an Elite Eight last year, a Final Four appearance, and a national runner-up).
Doesn't seem like some crazy romance is required to expect they'll be pretty good at basketball again.
|30 weeks 4 days ago||Dia de los muertos||
Get out, you fucking ghoul.
|30 weeks 4 days ago||Don't you mean...||
"Stay gold, Ponyboy."
|30 weeks 4 days ago||#12 in the country||
Highest winning percentage of any coach since they joined the Pac-8 once upon a time. WIth a freshman QB in year 3, after inheriting a 4-8 team that lost an NFL QB, top rusher and top three WR. Yup, mediocre.
I'm glad you find it so easy to "get over it" when Michigan football is in the gutter. You must be a model of mental health.
|30 weeks 4 days ago||History||
The Big Ten hasn't been consistently good for 40+ years. Since Bo got hired, OSU won a title in 2002, and Michigan split a title in 1997 (and under even the old BCS format I doubt we're favored to beat Nebraska). You could argue that whoever got put in the playoff in 1973 would have had a shot (M/OSU tied, OSU smoked USC in the Rose Bowl while undefeated ND and Bama played for the title with ND winning it all). Other than that we're done for the old guard, and that is from the days of the Big 2 Little 8 when racking up regular season wins was pretty easy..
Obviously PSU has had great teams throughout the years and Nebraska had a great run in the '90's, but they would have to improve signficantly to compete for a title now.
The dominance of the top SEC schools, FSU/Miami, USC, and OU/Texas is nothing new.
|30 weeks 4 days ago||Funny||
I bet before the season (when you were operating under your now banned name) you were arguing that Arizona would not be better than Michigan for the third year in a row and the foreseeable future. Was that revisionist bullshit when I said that would happen? Or when I said Hoke would win 10+ games in year one and then slowly deteriorate?
How'd that work out for you?
You were wrong about everything. Your opinion now doesn't mean shit.