that is nice bonus change
|11 hours 1 min ago||Hello?||
Minny is not a rival? Brush up on your history :)
|4 days 2 hours ago||I don't know you...||
But, you sound like a coward.
There really is no other way to look at it. You are not neutral about the game. You are actually taking steps to make a point that the game makes you feel bad and you will go out of your way not to watch it.
The message you are sending to Dave Brandon and other fans is "if we get upset by a little team, then steer clear of them in the future." It sounds so much like "run away" from the past.
That game must have really put fear and loathing into you. Let it go.
Buck up, little camper.
|6 days 3 hours ago||Only to point out how stupid||
Only to point out how stupid it is for a topic. Robinson can say these things.
|6 days 5 hours ago||Why can't Michigan fans like||
Why can't Michigan fans like you just keep quiet? Why do Denard's comments bother you so much? Seriously, what is the problem? You think that since MSU has enjoyed a recent run of success that all comments should be reverent? That we should all treat MSU as an equal? Seriously, why do you care?
|1 week 1 day ago||Pollack||
That guy has MSU number 4 and Oregon at 7 at best (not listed).
Oregon is a 13 point favorite in a few weeks over Sparty. That is similar to the. Bama/UM line heading into 2012.
That seems as equally "out there" as Desmond's prediction.
|1 week 5 days ago||Suck it up, little guy.||
Suck it up, little guy.
|1 week 5 days ago||Sit down||
I am not part of the down in front crowd, but standing the first ten minutes of the practice and stretching? WTF
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Years ago||
We went through this years ago, turd.
I am not the hockey player.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||This is me messing up some mundane detail...||
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I saw that BTN interview too.||
It was good.
This recent Mattison piece, however, got me heigh.
The transition is over.
This is a Michigan defense.
He is really putting himself out on a limb here. A veteran coach doesn't do that lightly.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Hello?||
"Given data limited to just seeing the product on the field last year and so far this year, I'd have fired Funk a while ago."
What have you seen on the field this year?
Did I miss the beginning of football season again?
How about this gem?
"The only consistency out of this group in the last two years has been Darrell Funk."
How about tons of youth? How about that? That seems like a constant between this upcoming year and last year.
Wait, I mean this current year that already began weeks ago.
Some of you guys are really really smart.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Hard to see?||
Will these be easier or harder to see in a night game?
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Token||
Dantonio always gets a token head to head recruiting win, but loses the rest. This actually seems like the least heralded token win yet.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||You mean like||
The "no fly zone"? Stupid names like that to try to give them an identity is better than a historical identity?
|3 weeks 4 days ago||No history||
They don't have the Legends history to talk about it. Instead Calhoun spent Big Ten media days talking about making up a name for his unit. He wants a swanky moniker to make them stick out. Similar to co-opting the term "no fly zone" in their secondary in previous years.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Thanks||
Keep hurting my chances. I bet a lot of people ignored it.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Post of the year||
This has to be nominated for worst post of the year:
|4 weeks 1 day ago||...||
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Not viable||
As I stated in my OP, in my opinion, it is not a viable complaint. I will reserve further comment since we are dealing with people who file claims I don't think are viable based on things said online.
|5 weeks 18 hours ago||Yeah.||
I logged in to make this comment. He looks a lot shorter at first. But, then you look at the placement of his head against the words in the wall and he looks a lot taller. I just can't figure out the camera angle.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||What in the world||
Is wrong with your head?
|13 weeks 1 day ago||In the arms of an angel....||
...run away from here.
|13 weeks 2 days ago||Records are always hard to predict||
Michigan has a lot of home games it could win and three tough road games.
Regardless of how it does in the home games, it is really the three road games that are the most important. Those are Michigan's three biggest rivals and teams that Michigan lost at the last time the played.
So, let's focus on those games. Most people here are negative and can't predict success after ast year. There is almost a stigma with predicting success over Sparty in light of the terrible loss last year. But, those EMOTIONS aside, lets look at the reasons all three of those games are winable:
1. Notre Dame - Michigan has done well against them, even in the BCS NC game year. Michigan is not intimidated by South Bend (few are). Plus, this game is early in the season and that usually favors strong defensive teams. Based on how Michigan has played ND the last few years, I can't see this as anything other than a TOSS UP at worst.
2. MSU - Michigan fans are loath to predict success after thumping chests by neighbor Spartan fans after last year andthat team beating expectations. As a Michigan fan, in order to predict a win here you have to overcome a lot of negativity and misnomers as someone who is thinking of the Carr years. But, there are reasons other than nostalgia to project a potential win. MSU only has 5 guys back on defense and their OL is a bit of a question. MSU has typically enjoyed a down year after an up year. The only exception was 2010 to 2011, but 2010 was not an especially strong squad and wasnt a targeted team the next year. The up and down years may be because of recruiting or may be because of the difficulty of playing with a mark on your back. It would be shocking if they were able to be in position to contend for another B10 title given their departures.
3. OSU - The rograms seems to be in a weird spot. It has tons of telent. ut, it appears Meyer is finally undergoing transition strains. They have to rebuild their offensive line and they will be playing lots of young guys. Meyer's teams are always dangerous, but he generally starts strong at a school but doesn't stick around. Personally, I think he got a taste of how good life can be as a TV personality, but he missed the compeition of the game. he got that back and was re-invigorated for a bit. His recruiting efforts SEEM to indicate he is not as energetic as before. It is always hard to play in C-BUS and since this is the best coach and the most taleneted team Michigan plays, it will be the toughest of the three.
If the line gets better and the defense seems a normal increase in production from the experience and depth, you can see a scnario for winning each of these games. It is not likely, and its never likely to win all your games. But, I could easily see us winning the ND game and, if all goes well, the MSU game too. If we are in a position to win the OSU game it will either be because of a phenominal season or implosion by the Buckeyes.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||Maybe||
Don ends up falling madly in love with Peggy. She turns him down because she is smart and knows he is damaged goods. He ends up in a spiral.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||I was alive||
EDIT - The post I was responding to showed up on mobile, but appears to be goe now.
So, it resonates with me.
Plus, it happened as recently as 2006, were you alive then?
It has only been 15 years since our last national title. Don't pretend it was before the invention of sliced bread.
Regardless, we all talk about stuff that happened before we were born without thinking it is running out of milage. Did you celebrate Memorial Day by saying that all the people who did in war before you were born should not be "reminisced" because they were running out of mileage.
Your's was a stupid post on multiple fronts.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||Too literal||
I wouldn't think they would try to track one man so closely. I remember some talk about the ending being sad and showing the downfall of their ways. But, I am not sure who mentioned that (it was early in the series in a NPR interview with Terri Gross).
|13 weeks 3 days ago||I think...||
Personally, I think she figured out that Don confronted Lane about the embezzled funds and she blames Don for his death on some way.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||TV ratings||
Have nothing to do with quality. You know that,
|13 weeks 5 days ago||I think he's right.||
There is nothing "simply wrong" about his opinion. Other people share it and it's legit to have an opinion.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Waiting||
Great stuff. And for some reason the negative group think with a big contingent of Michigan fans won't comment here. It is so easy to criticize a program (even as a fan), but so hard to be positive when you are getting heat from a couple rival fan bases for a bad season and recent transition seasons.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||Movie rights?||
It's sad, but I can't help but think that this guy or someone related t him will make money by selling the movie rights. This is the perfect story for Ben Affleck to use to showcase his Boston accent.
I hope he can't profit off his crime.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||Redemption?||
Wasn't Fargas seriously injured and then jumped on the depth chart here? Didn't hugest moved to safety?
I don't think We are owed any redemption from USC for that.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||No real difference||
Signing just means you are exclusive and they pay you 3-5K. Trying out with the team is very similar AFAIK
|16 weeks 23 hours ago||Crown him.||
He is doing about as well a Hoke did his first year recruiting. Meanwhile, Hoke is on the hot seat a bit.
|17 weeks 9 hours ago||Its Friday, so the title did this to me….||
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Thank god||
Brian's negativity and discontent is unbecoming for kids logging on to read about themselves.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Not as many||
There are not as many optimists posting here. That is my guess. The negative nancies are out if full force after last year. The optimists are often to posting here because the it is like swimming up river I this environment. Remember Brian had to put on his optimist hat in a recent mailbag and it was done begrudgingly.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Here?||
Is this where we get to log in and say something pessimistic?
|17 weeks 2 days ago||Were they banned for life?||
It seems that is the only just response to bigots for the NBA.
Please explain the difference to me.
|17 weeks 2 days ago||No doubt||
There seems little doubt Spike Lee is a racist. They won't ban him from the NBA though. They might ban him from tennis, golf or some other white sport though. That was Sterling's real problem in all this.
It has nothing to do with justice. It has everything to do with money.
|17 weeks 2 days ago||Maybe||
I don't think that would be the case though. I bet they find a way to let anything go, unless it hurts the bottom line.
|17 weeks 2 days ago||Good points.||
I agree, but I think it will be easy for the NBA to draw a line.
I think they won't do the exact same thing to owners with a history of misogyny, homophobia, religous hatred, etc.
The reason for this is simple. The NBA has a lot of black players and fans. It could be called a predominantly black sport. That is why this action was taken and other forms of bigotry are just ignored.
It's why Ozzie Guillen can get canned in South Florida for making a comment that was favorable to Castro. That is why professional golfers like Fuzzy Zoeller can mock minorities. Golf is a mainly white sport. That is why NASCAR drivers can be openly derogatory about women and Danica Patrick. It is a mainly white male sport.
This has little to do with what is "just" for a bigot and everything to do with money.
Shocking, I know.
|17 weeks 2 days ago||Sad||
Sterling is not indefensible just because he is a bigot. Things are not that black and white. Pun intended.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Thank you||
What a horribly misleading stat that was to use. If you wouldn't have posted this I might have actually thought it had some merit.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||???||
That had nothing to do with my point. Are you trying to make a seperate point that Hoke took advantage of bad MSU and OSU teams?
Well how about the converse?
Dantonio has only ONE win against UM when UM had a winning conference record. The UM teams he beat had a combined B10 record of 15-25. Not inspiring....but the Spartans love him
Urban has beatn UM teams with acombined record of 9-7. A little more inspiring.
If you really want to compare Hoke to his counterparts at MSU and OSU, at least be fair about it. I get the sense you just don't want to be because someone hurt your feelings......awwww....
|17 weeks 4 days ago||Weird framing||
It is strange you chose 6 years and 10 years as time frames to look at the schools. You could have just said:
Hoke is 1-2 against both current head coaches. or
UM is 2-5 against Dantonio and 0-2 against Meyer.
But, you chose the question in a way to make it seem like we are in the same spot in the two rivalries. I guess that is what you wanted since you are tryingto make it seem like a hard decision.
For me, it is OSU, no doubt and there are a ton of reasons:
1. OSU will likely be the main contendor. MSU does not have the same consistency.
2. Hoke has not beaten Meyer.
3. Over the last ten years, MSU and UM are 5-5. OSU has killed us for a long time.
4. The world (and recruits) will notice more.
5. OSU came into Michigan stadium and beat UM. There is less payback for MSU since we just lost another road game. PLus, the way OSU beat us was infuriating.
|18 weeks 3 days ago||You know little||
That is why I asked the question. N be seems to address it. The academic standards for undergrad may not be rigorous, but could be for grad school.
I firmly believe Michigan's standards for undergrad football players are the same as elsewhere. But, their standards for Juco players is clearly different. Who is to say that the grad student requirements are either the same as everyone or different?
I don't know and that s why I asked. You seem to assume, but you don't know.
|18 weeks 3 days ago||No pretending||
No one is pretending. I just asked a question.
It is a legit question. Why have we never signed a grad student the ?
|18 weeks 3 days ago||Really likely?||
What were the chanes he was going to be admitted here? I honestly don't know. I just know UM rarely can take JuCo transfers and hasn't had a grad player since....ever?
Not saying he wasn't allowed in to UM, just curious if that had ANYTHING to do with it? If you know....
|19 weeks 4 days ago||It's not a lie||
I am sorry if you call word choice a "politician" thing, is that supposed to mean it was a lie? It just wasn't a lie. I am sorry if you want him to offer up more information than requested, but that is a stupid thing to want. It would have been a bad choice to offer up more than that.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||I see a lot of questions people are glossing over||
Are people here trying to discuss a controversial subject without addressing some fundamental questions that need to be asked?
These things make this report virtually meaningless:
1. How are most sexual assaults dealt with? The police? It's not like the police are ignoring rape allegations at all. The university is just another place to lodge a complaint, but they are not an. Investigatory or police body. Their delay in meeting recommended time frames is annoying and a little troublesome, but not even close to an impediment to real justice for victims.
2. It is the student government report concerning their beliefs regarding public documents. Who cares?how uplifted is the student government to make an analysis? Is this similar to a Roundtable of college kids looking at documents and then issuing a finding? Do they have any idea how normal this is at schools? Do they know anything about evidence preservation and whether it is a concern? I just think a group of people specially unqualified means little. Maybe this is why their findings have basically been the same content as newspaper reports in general.
3. The real issue in all of this is how the school responds to sexual misconduct allegations. This student body, however, focused on Gibbons. It's newsworthy and they want to to seem active on it. It is sad that it takes the involvement of a FB player for a "task force" to be convened, but it symbolizes the important issue to them - football. They wouldn't have done this otherwise. What does that tell you?
4. With respect to Hoke's comments - we know he didn't come out and say all he knew. We know that was good for his own liability and for Gibbons. It was a smart move. People who think he should have said something know nothing about legal liability or privacy.... Let alone anything about being on a team and not airing other's dirty laundry for no reason.
You guys want to talk about rape allegations and the football program and whether it is even worth discussing seems Liston some of you.
|20 weeks 1 day ago||Speaking as a parent....||
I am a parent. So, speaking as a parent, I think that I would like my son to get paid for working hard and not to be exploited. Speaking as a parent, I feel these NCAA violations are similar to marijuana laws in that they serve no real purpose other than to protect certain industries that shouldn't need protection.
Speaking as a college football fan, though, I want my team to have the same shot at recruits. Either allow it or enforce the rules, but this B.S. of having rules on the books that are constantly violated without repercussions only hurts people like John Beilein who try to abide by the rules, no matter how stupid.
So, what is it? Get rid of the rules or actually police them for everyone? The worst answer is not to answer.
P.S. - Speaking as a parent, I do not want to "feelingsball you" and that sounds like some level of sexual assault anyway.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||It brings out...||
...the young nitwits who think you should build statutes for finishing fourth because it is hard to do. And the basketball recruits of that generation.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Because they call it a region||
Instead of just calling it the quarterfinal round?
|21 weeks 5 days ago||I like that.||
If you want to commemorate a great, but not top achievement, don't give it the same treatment as top achievements.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah||
It has become common and you have to do it if others are doing it. It's kind of like RAWK muzak at football games... Even venerable Michigan does it, but it doesn't make it right. I can't wait for the race to the bottom when there are banners for making the sweet sixteen.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Then why not||
Have a banner for finishing in the top five of the polls too
|21 weeks 5 days ago||It's a big deal.||
Just not something that should get equal footing with winning championships.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Recognize?||
Yes. And celebrate. But to give it equal footing in the rafters with winning a championship diminishes the championship banners.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Final fours are a big deal||
You can think that and still not think it is banner worthy. Simple as that. And, there should be no banners for winning the Citrus Bowl or Pinstripe Bowl.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Michigan||
Has been in the big ten forever. How many seasons have they been in the Midwest region with Kentucky and Wofford?
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Finishing in the top five...||
... of the football polls is a similarly great feat. No banner for that though.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||The region?||
They put 16 teams in a made up division an you call that winning something? What if the didn't call it a regional and just played all the games at the same geographic site... because that is a a random as make believe "regions"
|21 weeks 5 days ago||I agree.||
Final fours are tough to get to, but that doesn't mean they are banner worthy. Finishing second or third in any sport is tough, no question about that. But, that is not a reason to have a trophy.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||No||
You can hang a banner to commemorate a 10 point win over a rival if you want to AFAIK.
|24 weeks 1 day ago||What?||
Is this referring to something in particular?
|26 weeks 5 hours ago||Clearly||
You're not new here, so why do you act that way?
This site is clearly about the top picture.
Next you'll be asking....
1. Do we really care about punctuation and grammar so much or the thought behind comments?
2. Do we really want to be ones who make fun of other team's off field problems or just support all kids who play sports and go through stuggles?
3. Do we really hate Dave Brandon's commercialization or should we be supportive of the growing revenue helping our school and program?
What ever you think is the worse choice.... that is us.
|26 weeks 3 days ago||How can you be a bottom line guy?||
You are jumping to a lot of conclusions to get to your bottom line, aren't you?
|26 weeks 3 days ago||Silly man...||
The point is clearly that you ave to have patience to figure out if you have an Ellerbe or a Beilein.
|26 weeks 3 days ago||ESPN?||
Those sentiments were echoed at ESPN, which considered the original piece well-founded, but maybe a little too harsh.
|27 weeks 4 hours ago||Ask him....||
.... what Jaya Crowe saw on her visit and why he would yell at her.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||How about....||
|28 weeks 1 day ago||Bad idea||
The equivalent of the Cowboy Classic instead of great home and home series?
|28 weeks 2 days ago||In one way...||
They are all troubled kids who have their priorities mixed up off the field.
|28 weeks 2 days ago||Nope.||
Ask Nussmeier about the Bama offer.
|28 weeks 2 days ago||Excuses?||
He is saying the playing field with respect to the quality of player taken is uneven. How is that an excuse? Has Dantonio disciplined a kid or two? Yeah? Does he concern himself as much with taking kids who have big questions (Burbridge, Evans, Campbell, Eric.)? Nope.
|28 weeks 2 days ago||Not to nit pick, but||
Not sure he was a "big time recruit." He had one big program offer in Notre Dame. I feel like you need at least a couple high profile offers to be a big time recruit.
|29 weeks 2 days ago||I don't think||
... this has anything to do with the value of a MSU degree. It is all about the friends he has at State.
|29 weeks 2 days ago||You are all kinds of||
|29 weeks 6 days ago||Hate to say it....||
... But you are a ----y.
|29 weeks 6 days ago||Really?||
He seems to like MSU and they have seven losses in the last two years.
|30 weeks 5 hours ago||Why do people care about this?||
I love college sports and Michigan sports in particular. I am a die-hard. But, for the life of me, I can't figure out why people care about the apparel companies so much.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||Live in Metro Detroit?||
There is a store in Troy that can do it. In fact, any decal store can load a picture up and then he computer-based cutting machine will quickly cut the design (once size it determined).
|30 weeks 3 days ago||Won't somebody think of the children!!!!!!||
How dare some people live life? We need to protect them from themselves!
|30 weeks 3 days ago||Not upset.||
I think you just read anger into my post.
|30 weeks 3 days ago||Wut?||
Are you just making things up?
|30 weeks 3 days ago||Is this a troll?||
Missed out? How?
|30 weeks 4 days ago||Not to hijack, but...||
This makes me think of people who are bummed about the FB team this year.
|31 weeks 6 hours ago||Live Feed||
Who hold a press conference to introduce a new President?
I bet Dave Brandon told the Regents to fire Mary Sueand hire this new person!!
- signed, MSUFanboy - Mike Valenti
|31 weeks 1 day ago||Official visit||
Ace, isn't the only way for McDowell to get tickets to the basketball game for him to visit "officially"? Not saying that the rest of the official visit won't affect him. But, don't you think that might be part of his motivation, even if he liked the Spartans?
|31 weeks 1 day ago||Hi guy!!||
I am a fan of the one site that ranks. Michigan's class the lowest by far.
Now, that site has been criticized as being focused on southern recruits, but I am wondering why ONE of. Hoke's three classes is so poorly rated by that service.
I mean I know RichRod had to have big classes and that he focused on Florida kids more than Midwest kids, but I want you to just ignore that and run with me here.......
|33 weeks 2 days ago||Stop||
|33 weeks 2 days ago||It's possible.||
I think it is more likely to be a ten or eleven win year than national title game though.
|33 weeks 6 days ago||Are we?||
It's hard totally sometimes. Lots of self loathing.
|33 weeks 6 days ago||This comment screams ignorance.||
First, Michigan football was a top national team before Woodson stepped foot on campus. It wasn't decades of futility like the BBall program.
|33 weeks 6 days ago||Already has...||
...professional team head coaching experience.
|33 weeks 6 days ago||What?||
Where did this come from??
|34 weeks 4 hours ago||If not for...?||
If not for ND beating them? How do you not give credit to the team that won that game?
|34 weeks 5 hours ago||I can deny it||
I can deny it because, well, we are just shooting the breeze here, right?
Football Study Hall says that between 2008-2013, Michigan is about 10th in producing top football recruits. Michigan is also about 10th in population.
Was the state ever a football producing juggernaut?
|34 weeks 5 hours ago||Hockey||
There is NO WAY hockey is seen as being as violent as football. Sure,I know it is violent. I also know bicycling causes more concussions and deaths than football. But, the perception of football is that it is the worst thing your kids can do (speaking as a percent).
|34 weeks 6 hours ago||Yeah, but||
The build up of the modest was based on people moving there for a better life with middle class wages.
|34 weeks 7 hours ago||Since you brought it up....||
It is not the lack of jobs that is concerning to Midwest football. It is the lack of manual labor jobs that has an effect. Football is mostly affected by those families because they are the ones who let their kids play the reputably dangerous sport as opposed to others.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||Why would this year be any||
Different than last year? The top three teams haven't even played yet, so why is this being discussed now?
|35 weeks 1 day ago||I bet he is happy about starting.....||
|35 weeks 3 days ago||Investigation?||
Lewan was in the area + Bucknuts allegations = an investigation.
|36 weeks 3 hours ago||This one...||
...is WORSE than ours though. To wit:
1. Carr did not have many years of decline before leaving. Brown has had them in a rut for a while. So....
2. They can't take a flyer on a guy like RichRod to shake things up. They don't have the same cushion to try to turn it around. Remember when we were not too concerned over RichRod's first year because we wll knew he was a winner and had a system. We had patience because we had recently had some pretty solid seasons (06 and 07). We just wanted to beat OSU (we werent even thinking of MSU). We ended up being really impatient and cutting him off and re-booting everything.
Texas cant dick around like that. Oklahoma is already surging past them along with Baylor ad A&M. They are already getting passed on all sides before the search is even done.
3. The big money donors seem to be similar in their push for a SEC proven head coach (Saban and Miles). But, Texas' donors were more unrealistic. Saban had no ties. They just want to throw money at ANY big name it seems.
4. Michigan got an A+ list name in a guy who was maybe the hottest name and had just turned down Alabama the prior year. I don't think UT will find a guy with that cache.
|36 weeks 21 hours ago||Do you think they stopped with this kid||
Because of recruiting two DL?
|36 weeks 21 hours ago||Yeah.||
What does that tell us? They told him not to visit? They didn't even want him if a spot opened?
|36 weeks 22 hours ago||Mentioned?||
One Yahoo article names Dantonio as a candidate for a bigger job. He never gets contacted, but is asked about the job.
|36 weeks 4 days ago||Not interested||
And I think they would have to remove the scoreboard.
|36 weeks 6 days ago||Who wouldn't be offended||
If ford had a kickstarter?
|36 weeks 6 days ago||Exactly||
This is dead on.
|36 weeks 6 days ago||Um...||
I pay for a magazine when I order HTTV.
|36 weeks 6 days ago||This is stupid IMO||
They do not need your donations.
|37 weeks 7 hours ago||You post this?||
It is written by an OSU fan. It overranks OSU and under ranks UM.
|38 weeks 1 day ago||Assault||
Well, sexual assault, like any assault, is defined in part as an "unwelcome touching." So, the real question in this and in most scenarios is.... was their consent and was the lack of consent conveyed?
|38 weeks 1 day ago||There is one inside Ford Field too||
|38 weeks 1 day ago||More money?||
I wonder if that's true.
|38 weeks 1 day ago||I like this...||
Very solid idea
|38 weeks 2 days ago||I would rather not be that program either...||
I tink RichRod got no where barking at players and being hard on them. I think it only works if the players know it is done "out of love" or something like that.
Regardless, I would rather not be a program that prides itself on calling players names, etc., but at the same time IT IS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL...and it definitely isnt enough to make me think anyone should even have their wrist slapped.
I mean I guess I would rather be a program that had handsome and good-looking caoches and equipment managers, but I don't care enough to think that have a couple big uglies is somehow wrong or worthy of an outcry.
This kid had a LOT of growing up to do.
|38 weeks 2 days ago||With all due respect...||
The story isnt about which coachig style works better. We know Hayes and probably Schembechler LAID INTO KIDS verbally and it worked for them. it doesnt work for others.
The story....the whole point....is that the guy should be fired or disciplined for being mean to the player.
I don't care whether it works or not (deends on the kid IMHO), but you should be able to TAKE a tounge lashing without weeping.
Maybe its because the kid really is soft....
...and so are people who think being mean is actionable.
|38 weeks 4 days ago||The split||
I don't think its a parent vs. non-parent split. I think it is a matter of maturity.
|38 weeks 5 days ago||Two weeks ago....||
I got into an argument with a few posters on this board. They thought Devin was regressing and it was Borges' fault.
|38 weeks 5 days ago||Right on||
No one is excited about losing. They are excited about the team playing well after many weeks without that. We are happier about the direction of the program, which is very very important.
|38 weeks 6 days ago||You troll too hard...||
Tone it down a bit and it might work for you. Enjoy watching your Spartans or Buckeyes in the BTCG. Congrats.
|39 weeks 4 hours ago||Nowhere near a good defense?||
Hyperbole and anecdotal games aside, it is a solid defense and a good one. Not sure OSU's offense is better than IU's offense. OSU has played some horrid defenses. As for PSU, that was three pvertumes. You think this game is going to overtime? What about the Nebraska game or NW? The MSU game was held together by the defense. It wasn't until late in the game that MSU blew up. In fact, our defense only seems to struggle once the game gets out of hand.
|39 weeks 5 hours ago||Upset next year?||
Let's wait until next year before we decide who will be favored. Pretty weak thing to assume about your own team at this point.
|39 weeks 5 hours ago||My realistic prediction||
We will see a couple plays that are saved up for the OSU game.
|39 weeks 5 hours ago||60?||
That isn't realistic against our defense.
|39 weeks 2 days ago||Of course....||
Of course I would take it back. Think of all the benefits:
1. I would never had to have read this post.
Okay. That's it.
BTW- I think we should consider whether we would takeback Lloyd's NC and all of Bo's winning because it set expectations for our program too high ad makes me disappointed. Hell, if this was Indiana football, Hoke would have a statue by now.....
|39 weeks 5 days ago||OL shuffle||
The offense was so much better before the interior OL shuffle. Do these numbers correspond to changes in the OL?
|40 weeks 1 day ago||1. Specifically disclaiming||
1. Specifically disclaiming something and then relying on it, does not abslve you of your logic sins. "I know you can't rely on this type of data, but (here I go relying on it). Anyway, PBUs is not the story here, it is about interceptions.
2. I never said the NW secondary was great. I said they were great at getting interceptions. Didn't Michigan (and every other team) play back-up QBs this year? You can't throw those out just for NW and say they really weren't great at interceptions. In fact, even if you start throgin out certain interceptions just for NW and not other B10 teams, they still lead the conference. Stop nitpicking one point about one stat and then say it is critical thinking. In order to look behind the aggreate number, you have to delve into advanced stats by looking at each teams INTs and the propensity of the QBs theyintercepted to throw such balls, the strength of schedule, how many pass attempts they face, etc. Unless you want to do a REAL excercise in critical thinking, don't just undercut part of the stat. You have to use the wholestat for everyone.
3. I was wrong about Denard? People were right about that? Really? Please point out who looked at what type of challeges a spread QB faces and how they over come them. Please explain this post a few games into last year (before Denard's injury).
Hmm... that seems to indicate progression. But, please keep assuming I am "clearly wrong."
I am not.
4. Ah, the eye test. Love it. You cant argue with something you just "feel."
|40 weeks 2 days ago||Dead on.||
I think this is dead on. He had all the physicalskills, but needs to mature and show mental fortitude.
He gets so up and down based on his own play. A QB should be even-keel and a calming influence as a leader.
He doesn't see things (or see them fast enough).
I hope he can develop the mental side of the game more in the future. It is looking like the experience is helping though.....
|40 weeks 2 days ago||I ahte to tell you....||
...but Devin was NEVER a consistantly good QB.
ND = Awesome
UConn = Horrid
Indiana = Awesome
PSU = Not good.
More recently that that, he has been running for his life behind the current line, but he has not multiplied that with more INTs. that is progress to a degreee.
You cant just presume Gardner is getting worse.
This is what Brian said in the Nebraska UFR:
"The season progression here is remarkable: three TAs in the first five games, 17 in the last four. This is cutting down on the interceptions in the last couple games at the same time it cuts down on the offense."
Brian finished the section by saying "Given how much pressure he was getting and how a large number of those TAs seemed like plays on which there was really no one open, I'm actually fine with Gardner's performance."
That is the same guy who made us blow chunks against Akron and UConn.
That is progress EVERYONE here wanted this year.....
|40 weeks 2 days ago||To me, the jury is still out on AB||
I am trying to figure it out. Has he had enough time? I am not sure. But, I am offended when someone shoves an opinion down your throat that essentially says "both Gardner and Denard regressed under AB" based on....
...an interpretation of "potentially picked" passes against a defense that is really good at picking passes.
Talk about DG's INT rate over the year, talk about his decision-making....but let's ot jump to the overly broad conclusion he has necessarily regressed and then start to analyze AB.
Its just dumb.
|40 weeks 2 days ago||I applaud you....||
....you have cited more support for your conclusion about "regression" than Brian did in his post.
A real discussion can be had, but factors such as YPA, change in offensive play calls, etc. ned to be explored.
I will wait for a real analysis before concluding that either Denard or Devin regressed.
|40 weeks 2 days ago||Um...||
I am not selecting INTS as the operative stat for this discussion.
Brian did that. So, what is relevant is how good NW is at INTs and what INTs show about Gardner and Denard's alleged "regression."
I did not shae the discussion, I just kept the discussion to that topic (since nothing else is relied on for such a broad end conclusion).
|40 weeks 2 days ago||Surprise||
One of the big Anti-Borges guys is out here defending the post.
As for NW's defense, the only part about their seconadry that is at issue here is their ability to intercept the ball. They likely do gamble on picks and get a lot, but get burnt too. The non-INT part is not part of Brian's post, so not sure how it matters????
As for draing conclusions based on ONE STATISTIC, that is what I am railing against. A case might be made about Gardner, but citing his (dropped) INT numbers against one team is NOT DOING IT.
If Brian wants to look at only INTS, his conslusions are basless based on looking at Denard and Devins INTs. If he wants to make a broader point about regression (like he does), he has shown no support.
The post was Rosenberg-esque.
|40 weeks 2 days ago||You have a keen eye for...||
... important details.
|40 weeks 2 days ago||as a supporter of this blog, I am disappointed||
I expected this to be a revalation about how many of Gardner's passes were actually near picks.
It turned out to be another venue in which to try and indict Borgess:
To wit, the following erros:
1. Brian to equate batted balls as almost picks. His presumption about them being better off batted may be true, but to equate that as an almost pick is ridiculous. A QB often throws in a window and just because it is a tight window, the presumption was always pick. Theonly way a batted ball would not have been a pick would have been if the WR was WIDE open. Why make that leap in conclusion, unless there is a thesis to prove?
2. "Gardner did in this game, and this is against a Northwestern secondary that is not particularly good." Actually, going into the game NW had BY FAR the most INTs in the conference. Even after the game, they still have a very healthy lead. Apparently, they are very good at picking off balls. But, let's just call them "ot particularly good" in a vague way because, aside from their propensity to pick off passes -- the topic of this post --, they are not overall good.
3. Let's also just conclusively say Denard regressed. never mind that Denard's INTs got better from year one under Borgess to year two. Never mind that prior to his injury against Neb. last year, his INTs were improving throughout 2012 as well (not just year over year).
4. Finally, let's just take this opportunityto conclude Gardner has regressd overall based on perceived dropped picks in one game. Ignore the fact that He was throwing INTs at a rate of 7% per attempt early in the year against the likes of CMU, ND, Akron, etc. And that over the last four games his INT rate is somewhere around 1% while playing the meat of the B10 schedule.
A conclusion of "regression" based on an interpretation of a game in which he threw no INTS against the single best team at getting INTs in the conferenceis "weak sauce."
I guess a case could be made for not progressing enough, or even some type of regression to some degree and in some way, but to this post doesn't even try to be fair or complete.
It was written to add to the ammunition of "Fire Borgess!!!!"
I am disappoint.
|40 weeks 4 days ago||I am looking forward to the day....||
... that "news"" like this stops being mentioned.
|40 weeks 5 days ago||With him, Chesson and Darboh, I think we'll be okay at WR.||
|41 weeks 1 hour ago||Presumably,..||
...the blood look was intentional.
There is a reason you dont see this much. Its dumb. The sentiment is nice though.
|41 weeks 1 hour ago||Essential part of the Preview was omitted:||
How can this preview not be about the War on America?
We are fighting AGAINST THE U.S. FLAG!!!!
It is our patriotic duty to let them tackle us in our own backfield. Who can block the greatest country in the world?
|41 weeks 2 hours ago||You are crazy to think about this...||
It was never an academic decision.
We know that.
|41 weeks 2 days ago||Well...||
...it is Brian's blog and it's full of his followers. Plus, Brian recently trolled his own forum and seems to be taking this year personally (maybe it is his way of coping with losing his fan enthusiasm).
|41 weeks 3 days ago||Um....||
I think they averaged almost 5 YPC and finished in the top 35 in the country in rushing... and that was playing FIVE of the top 20 rushing defenses in the country (Bama, ND, MSU, OSU and SCar). And, the worst game totals came when Fitz got hurt and/or Denard got hurt.
I think they ended up in the top 10 advance offensive metrics....without a passing game.
They were pretty darn good rushing the ball last year.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||I just cant believe||
some people are laying the most blame at the feet of play-calling.
Some people justlove to watch the football and scoring points...they don't know that the game is defined by the lines. They think that saying is just lipservice tothe "big uglies" that need more love.
But, the fact remains, offensive line -- especially the interior -- is of HUGE importance to an offense.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||Yes.||
The offesnive line is as terrile as 2008. They are young and inexperienced, just like that year. In fact, the interior of the OL in 2008 was probably more experienced than this year. Molk was a RSfrosh, but the rest were RSJr. that helped out.
Now, we have a true frosh, a RSFrosh and a RSSo..... all with noe experience at their current positions up until about a month ago. They didnt cut their teeth on the light teams of the OOC schedule.
Also, year 3 means diddly when your interior OL has only been there for one or two years.
I really hope you are smart enough to know that talent in the backfield is virtually meaningless without a good OL. The examples of great skill players floundering behind a bad OL are so numerous....and the converse of great skill players thriving behind a terrible OL so rare.... that you would have to be an idiot to think the talent of the skill players can overcome a bad OL.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||FIRE BORGESS!!!||
he keeps calling the same play call, play after play.
Idon't know anything about football, but I knows enough that if sumtin aint working...dont do it!!!
Why doesnt he just run different plays that get us more yards?
So, isnt it weird that the run game (which was bad to start the year) got appreciably WORSE around the time a true frosh and RSFrosh from another position were forced into the inerior OL?
Just a weird coincidence that Borgess' play-calling got that much worse at that same time.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||I actually agree||
I am making an important distinction between play-calling and the other parts of coaching.
IMO - The play calling is not really the issue. Thejury is still out on the day-to-day coaching and development part though. It may be bad or good and they need a little more time to determine that (in light of the youth and the QB recruited by a different system). And, Devin even looked good even before the OL mix-up the last few weeks.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||Interesting read from the history of the blog||
This was written when RichRod was hired:
Michigan fans have complained for years on end about the predictability of Michigan’s offense. Whenever Michigan replaced its starting receivers, it was a guaranteed run. Whenever a tight end lined up at fullback, it was a guaranteed pass. Fullback shuffles were 90% runs to the side of the shuffle, and the few times it wasn’t didn’t justify the expense in yards and downs expended to launch the surprise.
This differentiates them from zero fanbases nationwide. Hell, West Virginia fans had a field day decrying the “predictable” offense Rich Rodriguez ran after his departure. Seriously:
In a way, it was predictable: you run 70% of the time and a hefty chunk of the passes are bubble screens. In another way it obviously wasn’t. Touchdowns don’t score themselves.
ITS ALL ABOUT RESULTS!! and that is based on execution.....
RichRod's offense looked bad here until he got his scheme implemented. When he was dealing with young guys, just learning the system, he had problems. He had to run the same plays over and over for Threat and the OL. The UFRs for the PSU and MSU game offense his first year show that.
Here, Al is dealing with an OL that does not know the plays and a first year QB with questionable decision-making under pressure. He has to dumb down his offense for Boasch, Glasgow and Magnuson. They just don't know what they are doing and they are young. They have not been in the system for many years and each only recently started getting experience under fire.
I just cant believe Michigan fans are so devoid of analysis that they go to the old fan stand-by of "fire the coach because the play (usuing inexperienced players) didnt work." Sometimes when the coach has proven capable in the past and is forced to play new guys because of injury, etc....well sometimes its just on the players execution (of course, they are young, so I dont blame them).
BTW - During RR's first year Brian contemplated in the MSU UFR that people would bitch and moan about predictible play calling not working, but that RR's body of evidence as an offensive coach far outweighed what was likely a personnel issue.
I think the same can be said for Borgess. He might now be as prolific as RR on offense, but he as proven over years and years that he knows how to score points and move the ball. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water just because we are angry.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||Weis||
We is didn't fail because of play calling. He was an arrogant ass and wasn't able to motivate or teach kids. His play calling didn't do him in, his lack of leadership did.
|41 weeks 3 days ago||Okay||
Try this out:
|41 weeks 3 days ago||Not sure if this is right....||
... But it is definitely more likely than him not knowing that the defense is expecting a play.
|41 weeks 4 days ago||Two things||
1. Older, stronger and more experienced players, especially those type of guys developing cohesion on the OL.
|41 weeks 4 days ago||I wonder if the same can be said....||
... By any player after losing to Bama? By any team that played RichRod's offense?
|41 weeks 4 days ago||Exactly||
People love to bitch about play calling and don't focus on the players. That may even be a good thing at the college level, but it is what it is.
|42 weeks 6 days ago||Maybe....|
|42 weeks 6 days ago||Tickets?||
Available through MSU athletic Department website, now?
|43 weeks 1 hour ago||I will be there||
I am going with 6-7 guys. Only a couple of us are going to the game. Not me. I haven't been in EL for a game weekend against MSU since the 1990s. I assume it will be more heated now.
|43 weeks 2 days ago||Right now||
Based on this, it doesnt sound like weather will be a factor.
A 30% chance of rain is pretty low and winds that top out at 10 MPH probably wont matter. The wind listed on weather.com seems to always be at 7 MPH or higher.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Twice||
You missed my point again. Start with the first sentence I wrote ... Read it all and then express your opinion of how I look.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Missing the point||
First, I was not arguing the point of which defense is better. I was just arguing Michigan's d was also proven. Stop trying to overstate my point so you can knock it down.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Only one proven defense||
I can understand if you want to say MSU has the best defenses in the division. That is your opinion. But, clearly there are other defenses that are proven. I think of Michigan's defense for example.
In fact, I think MSU has played worse offensive teams, so that means UM's defense has been more tested.
MSU puts up great defensive numbers against teams without a passing attack. THey are built to stop the run and blitz. (FYI - Michigan may even be better at generating a four man rush than MSU.) Don't be fooled by MSU's hypre-aggressive defensive nautre against mediocre to horrible offenses. THey always end up struggling against a solid offense with a pass game.
On the contrary, Mattison is not hyper-aggressive. He is just working base defense play after play and only getting aggressive when he HAS to do it. He can do it a lot more if he wants.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||What?||
How is MSU a media darling? Are they even ranked in the top 25?
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Ex-HC||
How can willingham be the first ex-head coach when Alvarez is on there?
|47 weeks 7 hours ago||You're right||
Loaded statement there and not supported.
|47 weeks 2 days ago||What we are seeing IMO||
As you know, Brian's issue with the offensive play calling has been that they run the stretch zone too much for some odd reason this year, despite losing the best OL for it last year.
|47 weeks 4 days ago||Add something||
Please use threads to bring insight or add information that others may not know.
Imagine someone starting a thread that said "Jake Ryan to return?" and then the thread just re-hashes that he will return at some point.
Plus, you made it sound informative by saying Bryant is the candidate to move to guard, but Hoke's quote does not say that.
Of course ther is a possible shift in the OL this week. it has been discussed on the front page numerous times. If you want to start a thread to share ideas about it, fine, then premise it as such....just don't make it seem like Hoke indicatedsomething specfici in his presser (like a line of Lewan, Bryant, Glasgow, Kalis, Schofield). He didn't.
|47 weeks 4 days ago||Wait||
The OP said that Bryant would be moving to guard, but the quote mentions Joey. Hmmm. And, it states that Miller and Glasgow have both been working at center, which we know they have been doing all year.
If you are jumping to conclusions, fine, but don't make it sound like Hoke tipped his hat one way or another about a possible mix-up. He didn't. We knew everything he said already.
|47 weeks 4 days ago||Delete this threadDP||
|47 weeks 4 days ago||Delete this thread||
Without any citations to the presser and no other reports Hoke said anything like this....it seems like a weak trolling attempt.
Everyone knows they are evaulating people there, but the names and positions are just conjecture on the OP's part.
|49 weeks 1 day ago||38-6||
|49 weeks 4 days ago||Exactly.||
I wasjust logging in to make this point (in some similar way).
Sometimes theseethings happen. It can mean something or not. We don't know yet.
What record would Akron have to post this year to make us feel better? What if they went .500 in the MAC?
Just look at last year, Ohio State would have gone to the NC game (possibly) and might have won the B10 (if allowed), and they barely beat a very bad Purdue team in OT.
The year before that, 11-1 Okie State lost to a very bad Iowa State team in overtime.
In 2009, Big Ten champ OSU actually lost to a worse Purdue team.
Is a 5-7 Iowa State team worse than a TBD Akron team?
I expected better, we all did, butI am nothitting panick just yet. A young team can be cocky and not concentrate on a lesser opponent. That, combined with Gardner's seeminginability to care about the game from a mental standpoint....well...Let's not gettoo worried.
|49 weeks 4 days ago||My summary||
1. The midwest sucks.
2. If you have a southern offer, you are a better player.
I have no problem admitting that the SEC has been the best conference in football and that there are a lot of talented kids down south, but to look at only Southern offers as an indication of being a national recruit is just....weak rationale. It would be nice if it was that simple to determine talent. It isn't.
|50 weeks 2 days ago||Your board topic||
A couple things you should know:
|50 weeks 4 days ago||Remember her?||
So, why shouldn't we remember her? I think it is good people are still talking about campus safety issues.
Do we think it is in poor taste because it disrespects her? Is it because we shouldn't mention her name?
I get saying "hi" other is weird, but what if the sign just said her name? Is that inappropriate? Who would be offended by that?
|51 weeks 2 days ago||Wait until you hear about...||
The guy who created Mickey Mouse...or George Washington, Truman or scores of founding fathers.
|51 weeks 4 days ago||I am watching the game again right now||
And I agree in some ways. Not so sure Miller will get killed one on one, but he fails to get to the second level regularly. He is not a great lineman blocker, but at least he hits those guys. I just watched numerous plays where miller is supposed to block the LB and barely touches him.
|51 weeks 5 days ago||Point?||
What is the point of this post? Just go to NFL.com and look up players by university.
|1 year 5 days ago||It's not about entertainment||
It's about a frightened and weak society that is too dumb to deal with the real threats (heart disease, etc.) and focuses on something that poses little risk when compared to other activities.
|1 year 5 days ago||Yeah||
Sorry. I was getting fired up.
|1 year 6 days ago||I agree.||
|1 year 6 days ago||What?||
Millions of amusement park rides a day? There are 400 amusement parks "and attractions" not sure how many of those have "rides" that cause injury, but it is surely a subset.
How many kids play HS football every year? Over a million. And then college and pros. They practice every weekday too.
How about horesback riding? How often does that happen everyday? Any idea? Do people usually do it for multiple hours a day like football practice or just an hour ride?
How about weight lifting? I rarely see anyone weight lifting in my suburban gym and we are a fat nation. How often does that happen?
And mountain climbing? how do you address that? Do you think there are more people doing that?
You can't just write off all the statistics because you don't believe the "amusement park one" ...(despite offering no facts to undermine the stats). try addressing them all.
Try telling me that having your son play football is going to be more likely to lead to his death than teaching him to ride a bike. I just don't see any support for that argument.
|1 year 6 days ago||Required reading for everyone who gets "worked up"||
Its a shame how little people really want to discuss the facts, and instead want to react based on irrational fears.
Aside from bashing Macolm Gladwell (again), it makes some compelling points that the super-sensitive among us never think about. It reminds me of the being afraid to fly or afraid to wim in the ocean because of sharks:
The evidence, in sum, while admittedly incomplete, suggests that football is risky but not fantastically so—especially when compared with many other popular sports and pastimes.
Between 2002 and 2012, according to the University of North Carolina Center for Catastrophic Sport Injury Research, there were an average of 3.8 fatalities a year directly attributable to football, fewer than for weight lifting (an average of 6.3 fatalities a year) or even amusement park rides (4.4 fatalities a year). Mountain climbing produces more fatalities—an average of 25 a year. So does horseback riding, with more than 100 deaths a year, to say nothing of bicycle riding, which killed 677 people in 2011 alone, and swimming, which kills more than 3,500 people a year. (Granted, more people ride horses or go swimming than play football, but football players typically spend more time on their sport than casual hobbyists spend on theirs.)
Simply being outside produces more deaths than playing football. In 2012, 28 Americans died in lightning strikes. Driving is even more deadly. Given that almost 35,000 Americans died in 2009 in motor vehicle accidents, a football player is far more likely to die on his way to a game or practice than on the field itself.
Not all sports injuries result in death, of course. And, according to the Consumer Product Safety Commission, football does produce more minor injuries—sprained knees, bruised thighs, and the like—than most other sports (although fewer than basketball). But football produces roughly as many serious injuries resulting in hospitalization or death as does swimming or horseback riding and a lot fewer than bicycling, exercising with fitness equipment or driving all-terrain vehicles, mopeds and minibikes. The last category produces almost three times as many serious injuries annually as football, but it receives far less public scrutiny.
|1 year 6 days ago||I liked how...||
Michael Moore did a great job letting us peek behind the curtain of Garrison Keeler. I appreciated that.
|1 year 6 days ago||From the title ...||
... that sounds like a "documentary" meant to get a certain view across ,not impartially report.
|1 year 6 days ago||No way.||
We need to start calling this taking an "orange shirt." No one wears red.
|1 year 1 week ago||WTF||
David Harris with a late hit on Denard? Probably one of Lloyd's guys having it out for one of RichRod's players.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||What is the Pioneer set up?||
I am bringing my 4 year old to that game. What goes on at Pioneer?
|1 year 3 weeks ago||I am in that position||
... so thatis why having the real information is important for me. I am not launching a campaign.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Okay||
Itis this sentence that is key to me: "Playing fooball as a teenager and above involves risks thousands of times more severe." What is the reeal number on that risk? What is the real number on the severity? No one here seems to know.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Me?||
I am far from "sweeping it under the rug." i am trying to keep it out and examine the real risks without a summary conclusion.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Sorry for my tone||
The internet makes things seem more impersonal or more personal if peopleare on the other side. Anyway, I hope it gets better too. But, what do I do? I need the real facts and not sensationalizm. For example, did you know you are 10X more likely to die on a bicycle than in a car? ("Ten drivers and passengers die per billion miles in a car; this number goes up to 100 for cyclists.") But, I still want my kids to ride a bike. I still think the other health benefits outweigh that increased risk. So, in football,if it isonly a small risk of anything bad happening and, overall, they will live longerfrom the physical activity, wouldn't it be important?
|1 year 3 weeks ago||How are you elevating the debate?||
You say the question is "whether a 16 year-old who, in this day and age may be freakishly big and fast compared to what we looked like in high school, should go out and play gladiator with other kids who look and play like he does"...so should big kids play football agasint other kids? And you call it "play gladiator" which is just a conotation that is unsound. It is nothing like being a gladiator, but you make it sound more dangerous that way. The real question is how dangerous...gladiator dangerous or riding a bike dangerous. So how are you being objective? Your other points don't seem to help establish a basis for the discussion either: "1) Football, played properly and by the rules, results in terrible damage to some pecentage of it's participants' brains." That may be true, but the question is whether that percentage is really all that big and what the effects of that damage would be. It is true that swimming, with a buddy and by the rules, results in some percentage of terrible shark attacks. But, it is precisely that percentage and the nature of the damge that we need to determine how risky it is to swim. You also state "2) More advanced play results in more chronic damage." and I think we can all agree with that. Finally, you say "3) Many of those who will suffer injury are/have been/will be minors and will never get paid with money or a scholarship." and once again that depends on the frequency and nature of those injuries and how that fits into risks generally. Look, I know there is some danger involved in football. It is a question of how much danger there is relative to other things. Whether it is worse than other activities is very important to that determination. If you look, you will find that there are lots of studies about irrational fear about things not likely to happen. People thought "mad cow" disease was everywhere. People think flying and/or swimming in the ocean is more dangerous than it really is. It is a matter of human psyche. People get all caught up in the moment and the sensationalizing of the situation as opposed to the facts. I don't know the answers, but the point is no one else does either.... and to go around saying "this kids died because of football" or kids are "dying young in a bloodsport" is just sensationalizing things. None of those people would have guessed that former NFL players live longer than other men on the whole...that maybe the risk is small enough that the benefit outweighs it. Maybe the benefits outweigh raisng a typically obese internet addict?
|1 year 3 weeks ago||True||
That is what matters. But if we blindly follow that, then aren't we enabling them not to think about it?
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Woah||
Calling me on the level of a Sparty fan is pretty low. I just want to shake out the facts and not rely on the sensationalizm. I have two small boys and I am not sure if they will play football, but I don't want to make that decision based on an irrational fear.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||So..||
former players are more likely to die from alzheimers...but are overall more likely to live longer? Thse are the facts that kids are dying younger because of this bloodsport? I would guess that most people would take the overall decreased risk in death if it meant one of the subset causes of death rose. I think the obesity of football players is the biggest health concern. I wouldn't want my kids to try to weigh 325 to play OL (unless they are naturally huge). It is a relatively safe sport. The biggest health issue is overeating. Certainly it is not kids dying young in a bloodsport
|1 year 3 weeks ago||I have kids||
Did you ever notice how over-protective parents are? Look at any playground. Now,if I told you that your kid could play a professional sport and have a decreased risk of death later on, would you want him to do it? What if I told you it was footall? Scared moms are not the best evaluators of risk.