|2 days 9 hours ago||came here for this||
it's actually good advice not in that context.
|2 days 19 hours ago||Thanks agin! I found the||
Thanks agin! I found the email. It could have used "football Saturdays" in the subject line. I get so many darn emails from them. Anyway, season tix renewed and going to do some shopping on May 8 too! Can't wait!!
|2 days 21 hours ago||thanks.||
where did you get that alumni association info? I haven't seen that
|1 week 13 hours ago||Clearly a schtick||
When it rains the pessimist points out the window and feels vindicated. "See, I told you."
Your far from being "realistic." You have not given an objective assessment of MSU, rather you choose hyperbole and storylines that are trumpeted by the most optimistic MSU fan. McDowell has "by all accounts" been rising since his last year? Whose accounts are thoise? Practice fluff that most fans discount heavily?
How about your failure to mention any weakness for MSU other thant "cornerbacks" which was quickly followed with a comment that Dantonio thrives in that area (i.e., they will be okay). No mention of the change from Narduzzi to others and, even if they are similar coaches, how much it might affect the result based on Narduzzi's personality and in-game decision making. No one knows how it will affect the team but Spartanf fans say they won't miss a beat and Michigan and other fans are more likely to suggest it could be a problem. You don't see it as even a potential issue (nor any other issue facing that team). Why?
Re-read your post. You You say that people here keep saying"take a big step back." How Michigan fans are a "funny mem" about MSU. You also make a joke that you should have "just said Harbaugh" instead of point things out. You also say Michigan fans are saying "no way can they keep this up.." Etc. Your post is littered with your biggest concern.... overly optimistic fans. You exaggerate their pressence in order to defenda your negative take.
Maybe you are a Michigan fan protecting yourself from being too optimistic. You've been burned and you're bitter. Maybe you just enjoy being contrrian or seeing the glass half-full. Who knows what motivates you to be so pessimistic about UM and positive about rivals. I have no idea.
But, you are far from realistic. There is no realism in seeing only positives of others and negatives of UM. You are a pessimist pretending to be "keeping it real." Its a cheap schitck, but you do it well. Keep on hating. Let the dark side feul you.
|1 week 14 hours ago||schtick||
I always thought this was his schtick. he always tries to see things in the worst possible light for UM and the best for others. super pessimistic guy who lauds others, but claims being a fan (or favoring) Michigan. like Phil on WTKA. it's entertaining! !
|1 week 22 hours ago||no.||
no one wanted what happened, but the locals want to punish them more because they are rich outsiders. others who don't like their socioeconomic group.
|1 week 1 day ago||bias||
you pick another group who would face extreme bias by the Gaylord crowd. why not treat them like they would so group of good old boys from a local community college? no one would even register that as news.
|1 week 1 day ago||wealth has nothing to do with it||
I advocate not judging based on wealth and treating the kids like any other group of kids. the reason many want the up north kids severely punished is some form of socioeconomic insecurity. they see wealth, not justice.
|1 week 1 day ago||social media||
very much like the increased media attention on police brutality, this TYPE of thing has always gone on, it's the social media or video phones bringing it to light that is the issue.
|1 week 1 day ago||this is something||
I think these kids should be punished like the up north kids. discipline by the frats and/or restitution. no criminal record or school expulsion though. that is too far.
|1 week 1 day ago||if||
if we keep it to one game or less per year, then it's fine by me. if we start playing night games all the time, then less so...
|1 week 1 day ago||people come and go||
every year people come and go for different reasons. some are self evident. others are hidden. it sounds like she left for a bunch of reasons aside from the product.
my brother gave up his season tickets because he said he was afraid of a terrorist attack (post 911). actually he had financial problems that not many knew about. likewise others have left because of the media over reaction regarding concussions.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||But, everyone counts tickets||
But, everyone counts tickets sold as the minimum for attendance AFAIK
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Your conclusion? I can't see||
Your conclusion? I can't see your conclusion that we were under 100k for any games last year. The stats seem to indicate the opposite. There was almost always 100k tickets sold or "comped" and the announced attendance was near that amount each time. There are at least a couple thousand employees, media, support staff, etc. The closest they got was Utah when there was 96k in ticket attendance. If you don't believe the "other people" add up to that much, check out the PSU game and the MSU, Iowa and Wisco games from 2010. Even when there is a high demand for tickets and a sell out, there is still 7k or so "others" for each game.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||How does this logic work?||
If the Ravens can visit the Browns for a night game, then why can't we have MSU at night?
Just because another town allows a lot of mayhem, why can't we do the same?
If New Orleans can host Mardi Gras, why can't Birmingham, Michigan? (BTW - Locals in NO seem to hate everything about that holiday, except the influx of money).
So, a southern city will put up with being pissed on and overrun with potentially dangerous drunks, just to increase expsoure and/or revenue for the sole sports teams in the state, why can't we sink to that level?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Party at MSU||
I often spent weekends in college driving from Ann Arbor to EL to party with friends. The women were hotter and "easier."
|2 weeks 3 days ago||destination||
that is because Ohio is a drive through state and Michigan is a destination in itself.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||behavioral indication.||
there is your internal consent. pretty nebulous area legally. but, few women will ever agree how grey that area is to men.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||No internal consent?||
How often do people get a "yes I want sex" as part of the act? Most of the time it is unspoken and very welcome on both accounts. There is no such thing as internal consent? As you serious with that claim? In fact I know you are not otherwise the legal consent issue would be a man offering proof of verbal consent.
Officer: Were you sure?
Man: I think so. She seemed into it.
Officer:There is no internal consent. If you are not sure, then you are going to jail.
Thanks for not over-stating things....
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Reparations||
Let's pay for the sins of previous generations. I love that idea. As a white male, I should be fine with things that swing too far against me in the other direction just because the previous genertions were abusive. Your logic is infaliable.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Make no mistake||
I am not trying to say it is OKAY for colleges to be like that. I was just explaining why they are like that/
Having lived in the "real world" now for a long time, I see how silly the whole college atmosphere really is....
Remember, I am the guy who is concerned that frat members will have their lives ruined by being charged with felonies for being young, drunk and destroying an underwater hotel. But, it may hapen because of the "social justice" of teaching rich kids a lesson about respect. (Of course, they should have to repay actual costs.)
The social justice warriors in college need to just go to work and realize that the world is more concerned about much more serious issues.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Emblematic of the problem||
The statistics pointed out in the first comment are overbroad. Someone responds to say as much. You respond they are right, but they are discounting rape too much. Meanwhile, no one has any clue what is right or wrong. This is often based on internal thoughts and feelings.
The problem is that women may feel "forced" into something when maybe they aren't really being forced. Plus, men are concerned that they have no control over what type of "real consent" is going on inside the mind of a woman.
Unless you have a verbalization of "No," this all exists in the mind of the woman. She may internally consent. She may not internally consent. No one, but the woman knows...and sometimes she is unsure.
That puts the woman in a tremendous position of power.
|3 weeks 8 hours ago||?||
colleges have different standards than law enforcement for many reasons. first and foremost, it is voluntary place you send your kids at the age of 18. parents and kids want it safer than the real world. second, there is no jail time or crim record here. third, it is a place that is concerned more about being progressive more than other institutions. other things that are different in college than the normal criminal justice system: hate speech, cheating in an ethical sense to get ahead, Marijuana possession, etc.
|3 weeks 11 hours ago||seriously?||
doesn't everyone know that without tickets or turnstiles that it is just some random reporter guessing at a numbet? Michigan could have had 40K or 80K plus! it is literally just a wild guess. no science. no basis. how do you compare something like that?
|3 weeks 3 days ago||offers||
I don't know if there is a cut off in ranking, but Michigan gets a majority of in state kids they offer. might not be a fence, but it is probably similar to the percentage of kids in Ohio with an OSU offer that go to OSU.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||exceptions||
don't disprove the rule.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||we almost always||
do get the best in state. where have you been?
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Fun||
Francisco. That's a fun name to say. Frannnccisscco.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||my take||
I have run it a couple times including last year. I have never brought my passport on race day. The chances of getting stopped are very minimal although they may profile others or something. I took the Amtrack to and from it when I lived in Chicago. If you have to work on Monday, stretching and moving around the train beats being in a car. Of course, it is more like a 6.5 hour trip by train.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||michigan centered view||
so you think a guy who wins two SEC titles in 9 years at Arkansas is a top ten coach? you can look at the 11 wins Stat unique to the current Era (more games) and horrible Big Ten (outside OSU, who beat them in a home night game by double digits). So, the lots of wins each year thing is good, but dependant on a lot.
I think Believe should definitely be higher than him.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||crap program||
it seems from your post that you are in the camp of MSU being a squarely crap program. I think as a Michigan fan, you are viewing them as Indiana/Purdue tier. I can't say I agree or disagree with you.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Dantonio||
For everyone who thinks Dantonio is not rated high enough, I have a question. Don't you think Beliema should be ranked higher than Dantonio. He did more at Wisco than Dantonio did at MSU. Both schools recruit about the same and have about the same supprt. If you want to argue that Dantonio took over a program in worse shape at the time, that is fine, but you are getting four years of crappy teams from him at first to show for it. Beliema would have had to get a struggling Wisco up to speed too.
I think a lot of you just think MSU is a crap program, so a couple Big Ten titles there is way more impressive to you than at a better big ten program (Wisco, Iowa, etc.).
So, if you see MSU as a worse program than Iowa or Wisco, then you might think what he did is miraculous.
If they are on the same level as those type of schools, then what he did was very good, but not amazing.
What say you?
|4 weeks 2 days ago||MSU ' s reputation||
I think you are basing this more on the crappy MSU history. as a Michigan fan, you know they are the historical equivalent of Purdue. so, you value what Dantonio did more than someone who just sees them as a historical middle of the conference team. Dantonio won two conference titles in 9 years. that is top 5 material at Indiana. it is top 20 effort at a middle of the road big ten team.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Floor is now 8 wins to me.||
Floor is now 8 wins to me.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||BTN. Things really started||
BTN. Things really started to change when the money wasn't almost all going to ESPN and CBS. Even the deals with those networks now provide a lot more money to the conferences. That trickles down to the Coaches,
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Alumni flag game before?||
Alumni flag game before?
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Ncaa bylaw 13.09.2 provides||
Ncaa bylaw 13.09.2 provides that once you enroll in college you are no longer a prospective student athlete. Wayne Lyons should not be subject to ncaa bylaw 13.10.2 regarding the public mention of a PSA. So, both Zordich and his mom should be okay. Unless, it isn't as simple as the wording in the bylaws.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Franklin||
How did those camps work out for Franklin? Any commits? Any guys in this year's class with PSU leading and who went to the camps?
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Character||
I miss it. I miss the character. I miss the unassuming look of the place that opened up into a sea of people once you walked inside. It was unique and awesome.
The new stadium feels similar to other large sporting venues. It is loud. It is big. It is a large building.
Of course, as an old man, the amenities, extra exit points and other features make the new place nice. But, I would have put up with that.
I do not miss the lack of handrails on the stairs heading down to seats. I do not miss the fire safety issues in the stadium. I do not miss hearing the wind blow louder than the section across the way. I do not miss the lack of a replay board.
But, I would take it all back, just like I would take back Bo (despite any drawbacks with the modern game).
|6 weeks 14 hours ago||great stuff||
|6 weeks 1 day ago||woo hooo!!!||
let them burn!!! they call people names and peopke call them names. But, we have something to prove and that will solidify our inferioriry!!!!
|6 weeks 1 day ago||mre 401||
that is all. thanks for playing.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||filing charges||
has no bearing on the relevancy of a defense. plus, in a normal situation it also affects prosecutorial discretion. also relevant to sentencing. also relevant to civil liability damages. but you think filing charges means that the prpsecutors think nothing aside from their allegations are relevant to civil or crimjnal liability?
|6 weeks 1 day ago||???||
explained to me? what?? i am talking about the law son. it is relevant. legally and realisticlly. i am not guessing at that. jusy because someone here disagrees with the law, it doesnt mean they "explained" something.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||wink||
wink. wink. Yeah, lets have these outsiders get yhere due in front of a jury of their "peers" in Gaylord. i agree. this is justice!!!
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Good!!! Felonies all||
Good!!! Felonies all around!!!! Let's ruin these kids lives!! That'll teach them to disrespect the God-fearing people of Gaylord (even though they just disrespected the property of a bankrupt business....but it was Gaylord's business!!!)
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Coach Fracassa||
I got to play for Coach Fracassa. Great guy.
As for the recruiting..... I transferred into BR from a public school. At the public school I stareted both ways as a frosh and was bumped up to JV from the freshman team at the end of the year. (Not that big a deal. I was okay.) When I got to BR people thought I was recruited there. I was shocked. That was FAR from the truth. I changed schools for other reasons (academic). My dad actually didn't like Fracassa (for a weird reason), but I wanted to go there. I played some for them, but only in certain defenses. The kids at Rice were much better than I had seen before and I stopped growing too.
I don't think it is recruiting as much as it is kids want to play at those schools. Really, there isn't much difference between a kid or parent contacting Rice and a Rice booster mentioning Rice to a family with a great player. The public schools get bummed about it because people rarely transfer into great coaches there (but that seems to be changing).
Anyway, Fracassa might have played at MSU, I think. I don't think he cared for Michigan all that much. He wanted his players to play college ball if they could and Michigan was pretty picky with their interest in his players. So, while I have a lot of respect for my former coach, when I see this pitcure I get the sense he was more excited to talk MSU and/or Izzo with Mooch.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||2006||
Michigan at OSU. Broken heart.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||It doesn't matter when it||
It doesn't matter when it comes to the amount to be repaid. It matters for criminal prosecution. If you destroyed a family heirloom, veteran's exhibit or small family business your actions are more likely to result in prosecution. If it is a bankrupt company or abandoned home, it is less likely to result in criminal prosecution.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Assessment of its||
Assessment of its seriousness. Just because the public outcry demands immediate action doesn not mean the acts are more serious in themselves. If this was not a socioeconomic hot button issue (rich privileged kids versus rural community), and it involved local Gaylord kids destroying things it would be as serious as the civil liability.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||confusion||
you are confusing public backlash with the seriouness of the acts. civil liability is the only accurate assessment.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||very serious here||
|6 weeks 4 days ago||i agree||
but just because someone else is a bad brother, does that give you the right to do the same? maybe in serious circumstances...
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Hmm...||
1. With respect to PSU, nothing I saw about today's scandal involved a cover-up like the Sandusky scndal. We are talking about the concious decision not to turn people in once something is being investigated. That sounds more like the first PSU scndal and not like the one discussed directly below this. You made a poor analogy either way.
2. You confuse absolution for all financial damage with a defense to anything further being done to them. the fact they have to repay money has NOTHING to do with the financial status of the victim. That is relevant to the next thing...
3. Although the full amount should be repaid, the status of the business and the severity of such property damage to that business is VERY relevant to whether there should be any criminal charges. Sorry, but that is how justice works. There is proescutorial discretion (provided there are no angry masses like in Gaylord) and the judge has latititude in sentencing based on things such as ....the suffering of the "victim."
So you are wrong about there being some intrinsic right or wrong that applies regardless of the situation. Your inability to apply things on a more specific basis would make you a horrible, horrible judicial decision maker. In fact, judges have been attacked as subject to removal for an inflexible application of the law.
Good luck with your impractical logic.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||threat to society?||
really? wow. they shpuld pay it back. iy should not be mimimized below that or agrandized to something more serious like a threat to society. right?
|6 weeks 4 days ago||What is repugnant....||
What is repugnant is your description of these property damage crimes to a defunct business as "serious violations of the law" and analogizing it to the child rape that happened as PSU.
Seriously, get control over yourself.
This is property damage to a bankrupt business. It should be reimbursed completely, but the only victim here is someone's bottom line.
PSU is as close to this as trees are close to being gorillas.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Much much closer||
The line is much, much closer to a single car accident that causes no injury and only property damage. It is closer to "pranks" that include vandalism of public property. It is closer to illegal dumping, etc.
It is really hard to even draw a line between property damage crimes and victim crimes. They exist on seperate planes.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Woah||
Rape? Murder? Those are not even on the same planet as what happened. They beat up a building and business that was in bankruptcy. Financial standing was the only victim of the crime.
Of course you give up the murderer. That is an easy one.
Try something closer to what happened. Do you give up the guy who ran into a lightpost with his car late at night? That may cause $50K in damages to the car and lightpost, whereas this Treetops thing is probably closer to $100K (using non-inflated numbers).
How about very, very mild vandalism like painting the rock?
What they did was wrong. But, feeding their members over to the local prosecutor who has little choice but to throw the book at them for this seems much more defensible in light of the circumstances.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Epitome of a "fraternity"?||
Nobody thinks what these kids did was okay. They should have to pay to make the business whole.
But, isnt it odd that they are standing together instead of ratting each other out? Isn't that more true to the idea of "brotherhood" and "fraternity" than anything else?
Rat a fellow member out and see the prosecutor of Gaylord bring down the publicly-approved hammer, which may get members thrown in jail for breaking the assets of a business in bankruptcy... or, lose sanctioned participation in greek life activities at the University of Michigan and find a new place to live?
I don't know. I was never in a fraternity, but they sound like a fraternity,
|6 weeks 4 days ago||But, after the additions the||
But, after the additions the conference is less likely to be that odd conference out of the picture, also they add some revenue and they have substantially increased their presence in big markets. That last point is important even if cable gives way to ala cart channels. Which games are picked up by the network for prime time? Those with some appeal in major markets. Who is on national, broadcast TV, a UM versus Mizzou game or UM versus MD (football)? I think the answer is easy. Even if a ton of people in DC and NYC don't order BTN once everything is ala cart (note that both those schools have very big alumni bases), they still may have some passing note rest in the game which increases eyeballs. From a FINANCIAL aspect only, the growth of ala cart cable doesn't do much to mitigate against the benefit over adding those two schools instead of not doing it.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Super conferences seem to be||
Super conferences seem to be the future. Could they just pretend otherwise?
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Yes, but who would have been||
Yes, but who would have been a better choice in that respect (I.e. Contiguous schools with fans willing to pay)??
|6 weeks 4 days ago||I have seen this a lot on||
I have seen this a lot on here. I think it is just the nature of the Internet. People are meaner about things than usual. Not all people, but a significant portion. It's a place to rant and be unreasonable and uncontrolled. It is a beautiful thing after a big win or game, but gets really ugly when things go sour.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Why do people think this||
Why do people think this mitigates against the Big Ten taking Rutgers and Maryland? I know that the Bg Ten can use those schools to force into those big cable markets. But, isn't it better to have big schools as part of your channel even if people are buying ala cart? Rutgers and MD are top 40 in enrollment, tons of alums and a good percentage of sports fans. What other schools could the conference have added that would have been more financially beneficial than those two, even on an ala cart basis? (Keep in mind they have to be close enough to travel to often).
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Man, this could spin off into||
Man, this could spin off into a political discussion very, very easily....
|7 weeks 4 days ago||good||
it's good they are not throwing out names to the people of Gaylord, who want blood!!!
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Lucky. I can't get over how||
Lucky. I can't get over how lucky we were last year. Without York, where would we be? Without the offense last year floundering, Hoke might still be the coach too.
|8 weeks 18 hours ago||hyphen||
you need one. I thought this was about the Dolphins forcing him to quit.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||but||
in smaller stadiums with less fans. plus, they may hate it. I know ND fans do...a lot of them. but, it's all about TV money
|8 weeks 1 day ago||older fans||
this will be bad for the majority of fans. most fans are over 30 and night games are less fun to attend the older you get. no chance to get home at a decent hour if you drive, no need for all day drinking, etc.
this only makes sense for TV. Maybe to make an impression on 17 year old kids too. but, this is not fan friendly to the majority of fans.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||I disagree. Don't throw it||
I disagree. Don't throw it out because of the association with the past regime.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Expulsion, not explosions.||
Expulsion, not explosions.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I don't think there should be||
I don't think there should be criminal penalties. My belief is that destruction of the building of a failing business by a bunch of college kids, who then pay for all the damage shouldn't warrant additional punishment. There is a reason for the criminal law. It can come in handy in forcing restitution if the damages are not paid voluntarily by the offenders. It can also be used as punishment when the accused can't pay the cost of repair or if the property is of a personal or unique nature. Here, assuming the kids pay the reasonable repair costs, there is little reason for criminal prosecution other than the "feeling" and mindset that rich snotty kids should be taught a lesson about respecting Gaylord and small towns generally. If the kids were a local bachelor party, a rock band or even kids from a "local" college, no one would be asking for more than restitution and maybe nominal community service. Explosions and prison time would be way over the line.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||I didn't know||
whether it was in BE or not. So, this is a failing business he was either losing or needed to get help with any way. These damage amounts will please creditors even if it slightly slows down the BK.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||A failing business is bailed||
A failing business is bailed out? Should that be a headline here?
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Wow||
Just like Andy Kaufman's bit!!! He got those folks so riled up over nothing. You HAVE to watch it and imagine one of the wrestling fans saying exactly what you said.
It was a great piece of comedy.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||It's those damn big city folk||
We'll show them!!! Hang em up boys!!!! N
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Expel me why don't you?||
Seems to be your solution for everything. Very tolerant.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||then why force the council to vote?||
sounds like they want to send the message to the DA that he has no discretion if he wants to be re-elected.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||not if||
not if your business was failing miserably and needed renovations and publicity. if you owned that type of business you wouldn't be mad (as long as actual damages are paid).
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Us old folks know that this||
Us old folks know that this resort will be the ones without the parties now!! Good publicity.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||These kids||
Let's take our feelings about that "particular mindset" out on these kids!!! These kids are entitled and snotty. I know. I went to UM with them too. But, are you going to give extra punishment to these kids because of years of disrespect from others?
|8 weeks 6 days ago||re-read your post||
I realize that people make a decision to move to smaller towns. I made the same decision.
I know these things because I have lived in many different towns and learned many things from my life of experiences (which appears to be twice as long as yours).
The other thing I learned is that people who get angry and act overly defensive have their own issues with inferiority feelings that they need to examine.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Expelled isn't enough!||
Let's burn the Treetops logo onto their faces!
Stupid frat kids from a big, shiny prestigious school!!!
|8 weeks 6 days ago||The public demanded||
The public demanded the government council prosecute these kids to the fullest extent of the law. It was a unanimous vote in favor. Those people want their pound of flesh. They aren't concerned with just making the hotel whole.
So, why do you think people changed their opinion about prosecutorial discretion and forced the city to act? You think the city just had a random attack of justice consciousness?
Or do you think they felt disrespected?
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Do you know what hypocrisy means?||
I have never met some one from a rural area that takes offense to the term "from the sticks." In fact, many people actively use that term.
Are you trying to tell me there is no jealousy or inferiority complex with some people in a small town when Rich people from a bigger city come in? Have you ever heard of the town/gown relation problem at some schools? Or know someone who lived in a vacation town?
It happens everywhere. People in Detroit have inferiority complex about Chicago, etc. they are jealous of the stuff Chicago has to do. it's a common thing you see in ciommunitirs. It's why so many people love to hate NY teams.
Do you think every person in Gaylord is any different?
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Not over.||
Is the number high enough yet? This is like some Andy Kaufman sketch were the people from the sticks are going to take it out on the rich spoiled kids from the city because of some deep seeded jealousy and inferiority.
Hang ''em high!!!! Right people?!?!? They aren't just young, dumb kids. They aren't people!!
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Wouldn't||
Wouldn't this resort the least likely to have frat kids partying at it in the future?
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Publicity||
They have reciieved tons of publicity and they will soon have nice new rooms,etc. there is no brand damage. That is just BS from an attorney.
|9 weeks 12 hours ago||Exactly. The programs are||
Exactly. The programs are both quality, as was Barwis. The change just makes players and fans enthusiastic. It's blown WAY out of proportion.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||SMH. We are as likely to see||
SMH. We are as likely to see a SNL spoof of the Treetops incident as a spoof on the lunch you ordered today. Both are gripping the nation's attention.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||again?||
what do you mean being out of touch again? what elite school doesn't have out of touch naive students?
|11 weeks 2 days ago||futile||
the team didn't do well, so arguing other than the players/coaches such is futile.
these takes and opinions are idiotic.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||That much? Six guys out of||
That much? Six guys out of two full classes? More kids than that wash out at Bama. What a horrible premise!
|11 weeks 2 days ago||TL, DR: A small sample of||
TL, DR: A small sample of Sophmores and juniors from last year haven't played much or well on the 5-7 team last year.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Oh.... And you'll have to||
Oh.... And you'll have to tell Gardner and the Michigan offense about all those advantages :)
|11 weeks 2 days ago||I guess that is premised on||
I guess that is premised on the idea that the offense has enough advantages already. Both teams have an offense.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Do we need an ineligible man||
Do we need an ineligible man down field rule? With spread offenses, the A11 and never punt coaches, it seems like the game has opened up and become aggressive. Why not just allow guys to run downfield and pass block? That would be exciting and it would also leave the QB open to some pressure! Sounds like fun.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Those are not mutually exclusive.||
Those are not mutually exclusive.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||I wonder if an Internet||
I wonder if an Internet message board debate over that topic anywhere has ever been a good idea. I would think not.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||This involves the dead babies||
This involves the dead baby of a patriotic military couple... and you are going to point out the possibility it is a scam? I love your bravado in the face of the mouth-breathers on here. Nice!!!!
BTW- Others have mentioned that it is likely his failure to enroll in the insurance program. Plus, apparently funeral homes with cover costs in these situations for free and/or his unit, assitance groups, etc.
So, while I don't have the cajones to even suggest the word scam, I think that it is probably just a guy who isn't thinking of all the other ways to resolve this and he just simply edited his previous funding page that was already set up.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Run of what? A great year in||
Run of what? A great year in 2013 followed by a pretty good, but not great, year.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||I think your post should||
I think your post should either apply to all Americans or none. A lot of people who don't serve in the military provide a great service for our society and communities. So, maybe do away with submitting forms altogether?
|11 weeks 2 days ago||So, did he not enroll?||
So, did he not enroll?
|11 weeks 3 days ago||I am not sure that I agree||
I think it depends on the mistake. I think a lot of people might be better off making the mistake while in a comfortable area with parents and guardians there to help.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||How many?||
How many 18 year old girls fully understand the obligations of having children years down the road? (How about 16 year old girls?)
How many 18 year olds fully understand and appreciate the interest on a credit card debt they rack up in college?
How many 18 year olds fully understand the moral implications of killing someone in a war?
I think the answer to these questions is based on the maturity and upbrining of kids. 18 years is the age of legally binding decisions in general, for better or for worse.....
I often think that I was dumb when I was 18, but I had power to change the course of my life and started to make my own decisions. If not 18, then when...? I think it is okay unless you want to blow up the whole system for all big decisions and make 25 the age at which you can sign contracts or join the army, etc.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||Seriously?||
What if the kid owned up to how bad of an idea it was and embraced the "expel..." hastag? It would be funny.
Do you think an employer is going to see that hashtag and think some buzz from a bad idea proposing a song is going to kill his job chances? In fact, if he is going for a position in which having bold ideas is a prereq, it might help him get a job.
Suggesting this noteriety is bad for the kid seems very presumptive at best.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||??||
I thought that part was funny. Is there some legal problem with the hashtag or reason Brian should apologize? As an attorney, the idea of apologizing for something which is not a concern seems silly.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||Much funnier||
This post is much funnier when read in the voice of the gold-bricking, villan Jeffrey Lebowski:
|11 weeks 3 days ago||Your premise||
The premise of your post is that State built itself up and it had nothing to do with the state of Michigan or the Big Ten.
That may be true, but it seems more likely other factors were involved. Michigan State has definitely built up some very strong teams, but no amazing teams. That was achieved by getting kids to believe in themselves and the program. (Dantonio will tell you that.) Do you think beating Michigan didn't help build that confidence.
Dantonio is very obessesed with beating UM (for better or worse) and his players are those that were often passed over by Michigan and mostly in-state or midwestern kids. There is a reason he wins the game AFTER the Michigan game most of the time.
Momemntum and confidence building for the program was done, in large part, on being able to beat a premiere program down the street.
Would they have gotten better anyway? Yes. Would they have achieved the same success having to face a typically strong Michigan team year in and year out? Probably not because the more good teams you face, the better the chances you will lose.
So, combine that factor (weighting is subjective) and look at MSU having to play a stronger team in the future AND losing the person who APPEARS to have been a key to their success (based on perception, pay from MSU and stats) in Narduzzi and its easy to see them trending (potentially) in the other direction.
This by no means indicates that it will happen, but those factors may look that way to one person. That can coincide with MSU remaining a solid program. I think the MSU is trending down is more about the circumstances over-inflating their past success, not because the program is getting worse.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||NIce work, Brian!||
I have read this blog for years and this is probably the best general (non-sport specific) post I have ever read.
(Strong, Accurate, HIlarious, Effective, Etc.)
|11 weeks 3 days ago||Touche||
Very astute of you. Those sneaky kids...
|11 weeks 3 days ago||At what price?||
All those things you list can be had for free or little money and there is no reason to borrow money to do it:
1. I can read Plato's republic now or surround myself with people who make me want to read similar things.
2. I can learn core physics for free or at a nearly free community college.
3. I can learn how to live in agroup setting by renting a house with a bunch of friends while I go to a cheap school or while we all work at the same summer camp, etc. and make money.
4. Responsible drinking habits, managing time, dating, etc. are all life skills you have to learn regardless of college.
In the end, you will learn all of this stuff in life anyway, so why borrow a ton of money to learn it at a particular college?
I don't doubt a year of world travel would make you even more well-rounded. You would learn new flavors, how to barter, how to be careful in strange places, languages, etc. Personally, I think there is a strong argument for going to a local or community college with buddies and then borrowing to travel for a year. It would be cheaper and give you more experience and real world view. Having people with that would benefit society a lot more than people who know how to make a beer bong.
P.S. - Banks dont lend for your college so you can be well-rounded. If it wasnt seen as an investment by almost all people, there would be no loans....
|11 weeks 3 days ago||WHAT THIS WILL BE:||
This is exactly where this is headed (Freakbass - We are ND) and I DON'T like it:
|11 weeks 3 days ago||You read a lot into his post||
I think he just meant that you pay to live alone and have fun without working. It would be like taking a sabbatical from your job and living abroad for a year. It would cost you money and be worth it for you as a life experience, but I don't think anyone would look at someone who didnt do it and assume anything other than they didnt want to or couldnt afford to do it.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||The education system isnt broken IMO||
There are plenty of places you can get "well rounded." You can do it for free, in fact, online now. There is so much information out there about all those subjects, the only thing holding back a person is themselves.
The only thing that is unsutainable is people borrowing a lot more money than they can afford to repay. That has always been the case though.
I think the education system is just fine. There are tons of options at tons of price points. It is just the American way to borrow money you don't have and are not likely to pay back. It is a problem with entitlement/expectations now a days and the education system itself bears no blame in it and is chugging along without being broken.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||Not that complex||
While there are many factors or issues that could be addressed by your OP, I think the underlying issue is fairly straightforward:
As more people go to college, you have to evaluate the reality of being able to repay college loans and make school decisions based on that factor, in part.
Most people dont do this and it is similar to the housing boom. People borrow to spend money they don't have because they THINK their investment will pay off in the future despite growing evidence to the contrary. They just can't accept reality.
1. Why do people insist on going to the very best school they get into when they can not afford it? It only makes sense if the school opens up a SUBSTANTIALLY higher number of doors for you in the future. That doesnt happen most of the time.
2. Why spend so much on a liberal arts degree at a school you can't afford to attend? Why not get that arts degreee someplace else that is cheaper? If it is because you want to gamble that the better school will somehow make you the rare high-income producing writer or something, that is your gamble. Typically, these types of degrees are the type of thing that monied families can afford to endure the cost of. If that is not you, then don't do it.
3. Most schools have a lot of ways to help the truely poor attend without large loans. Ivy league schools make school free to people clearly without the resources. I guess I am surprised that so many people who get PELL grants have higher loans. If you get a PELL grant, then why are you going to a school that requires you to take out more loans than a person without the grant? Seems like a really bad decision to me.
Personally, I think the banks start to take a lot of defaults on these loans in the future. Along the way, many individuals will ruin their own lives. But, in the end, the banks are probably the best at making the economic decision that lending to people who can't pay it back is a bad idea. Student loans will be a lot tougher to get after that and the problem will be "solved."
|11 weeks 4 days ago||not the same teams||
not only were the schedules/teamd different, but the depth and strength of the Big Ten was much different in 2006.
is this some sort of sports talk radio analogy? you have a hot take?
|11 weeks 4 days ago||difference||
there is a difference between mocking and not believing they can maintain as high as others rise and Narduzzi leaves.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||I think||
I think MSU will be respectable, but I think you over generalize. I think it will look like Iowa. Fervent had some good seasons (on pat with Dantonio) and then lots of solid and a rare very good year.
as for back to back top five seasons, that is a very arbitrary line to draw. it's a good performance, no doubt. But it is a product of a lot more factors than Dantonio. Even between the two Spartan teams, there was a wide gulf between the 2013 and 2014 teams. referring to them both by the same description (top 5) creates a false equilivancy.
Anyway, unless you are a power program, you have to prove every year that you belong with the power programs.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Mundy||
Could this be another Ryan Mundy type senior year? Was there anything explaining his slide last year? different coach? loss of support in front seven? change in scheme?
|11 weeks 5 days ago||This makes me wonder how we lost the Maryland game.||
This makes me wonder how we lost the Maryland game.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||He pretty much is the football department. It's his show.||
He pretty much is the football department. It's his show.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Bingo||
|11 weeks 6 days ago||what?||
this is the first I have heard of it
|11 weeks 6 days ago||true||
This is right. I don't usually share my parenting opinions, but it is clear the OP is either a non-parent, joking or a pretty bad parent.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||The only elite player you||
The only elite player you mentioned there was Elliot based on his CFB run. The reference to z5 star players is off. I only looked at247sports, but it seems clear the only one or two of the southern guys are highly regarded. It is also evident that every year Meyer gets further from his tenure at Florida, the less players he gets down there.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Cherry pick from GA, Florida||
Cherry pick from GA, Florida and Texas high schools?
|12 weeks 1 day ago||It's a good thing HS coaches||
It's a good thing HS coaches in Detroit don't talk to each other and no one other than Wilcher will see the story that ran in the news. Otherwise, this might expand beyond just the one HS. I can't magine Meyer might leave a school in a worse position than he finds it, but then again, I am not a Florida fan.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Not offered the job until||
Not offered the job until Thursday? No one outside of 11Warriors believes that. Coaches like Wilcher do not believe that. Nice try?
|12 weeks 1 day ago||I don't think Michigan would||
I don't think Michigan would take Weber at this point. The facts of the three points I list above are all from published reports or sources. At this point it is more about egg on Meyer's face and the disintegration of a relationship with Cass Tech.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Does anyone here think that...||
...Weber still believes Meyer's comments about splitting carries with Elliot in the CFB?
Do you think Mike Weber trusts that comment?
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Would Michigan take Weber at this point?||
Let's assume for the sake of argument that Weber wants to and could get out of his LOI to OSU, what does it matter to us?
I don't think Michigan would take Weber. Here are the reasons:
1. Apparently, Harbuagh said they were only taking one RB. They took one and don't NEED any more.
2. Michigan may be full up on scholarships if Lyons comes in and there isn't much attriction. I know there MIGHT be room, but there is none now.
3. Weber has shown through his acts and words to shy away from compeititon (e.g., comments about MSU's colleciton of backs, not wanting to be part of UM when Harris was on board, going with OSU when Higdon committed, etc.) Maybe Harbaugh is a little reluctant to bring him into this "competitive" atmosphere?
I think Weber either suits up for OSU or goes someplace completely different....
P.S. - The irony of the "trust" comments by Weber on NSD will probably always be funny.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||What? They timed this to get||
What? They timed this to get his commitment. This isn't just about poaching. It's about deception.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||I was told in a previous||
I was told in a previous thread that it is classless to poke fun at a kid who uses a bad process to choose schools. Also, it is apparently sour grapes. It's off limits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Lied to about something||
Lied to about something unimportant (because he isn't afraid of competition) or lied to about something he ought was important? Your point would hold water if you think a guy would get that bent about lying over something trivial. He wouldn't. He trusted the coaches because it was VERY important to him and his past actions and words prove that. Try again.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||No one called him an a-hole||
No one called him an a-hole or anything. No one wishes him ill (except the Game outcome). Chill out. We can poke fun at a kid without it being sour grapes. Sometimes what a kid does is just silly. Is recruiting so sacrosanct that we can't find the lighter side of it?
|12 weeks 2 days ago||It was just a throw away joke||
It was just a throw away joke until people who take themselves entirely too seriously started to be the moral police about some silly things said by a football player.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||You see that, but you are||
You see that, but you are wrong. I truly believe what I write, so I am pleased he is not at Michigan. I believe he wanted to be anointed and I don't agree with that, so why would I make fun of him for not choosing Michigan? I am poking fun at him because he so openly shied away from competition. I think that, like being afraid of spiders, is something that we might poke fun at for a football player.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||He made the comment about||
He made the comment about "not minding" the competition with Harris after he was called out for it. Classic face-saving comment.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||If the Higdon thing was the||
If the Higdon thing was the only data point I would definitely agree with you. But, he has made multiple comments about other RB recruits/players at a school he was considering.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||You are overly sensitive. It||
You are overly sensitive. It is just a joke at his stated reasons for choosing a school.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||The idea that the Higdon||
The idea that the Higdon thing was about "trust" underscores my point. That was important to him. If the coching staff did something else they told him they wouldn't do (like call his coach or something) he would have shrugged it off as unimportant. The competition thing was Morgantown to him and so was the trust it would be upheld (in his mind).
|12 weeks 2 days ago||In other words, I respect his||
In other words, I respect his decision, but not the factors he thinks are important in a decision process. How can you respect those factors? If a kid committed somewhere because the school had the most bathrooms or a cool student ID card, wouldn't those factors be open to some light jest?
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Normally you are right. I am||
Normally you are right. I am not critiquing his decision itself, but the factors that go into his decision.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Imagine how mad Mike Weber||
Imagine how mad Mike Weber would be if he was a QB at Michigan. Competition is coming.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||There can't be anything in||
There can't be anything in writing on the future. That would be a violation.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||So, now that it is NSD, can||
So, now that it is NSD, can anyone share what happened with this kid's commitment over the weekend?
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Then bring a Sherman Act claim and stop petty rule violations.||
Then bring a Sherman Act claim and stop petty rule violations.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||You actually make Larry's||
You actually make Larry's point for him. You have confused real injustice (to which disobedience would be okay) to mundane workplace rules that a kid might decide to rebel against under the confused idea that it has something to do with justice. He'll lose his job for "keepin it real" when he really should just respect authority in that situation. Kudos on disagreeing an then proving the opinion you oppose in the same post!
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah, seroously. Justice||
Yeah, seroously. Justice has nothing to do with it. A private entity like the NFL can make its own rules. That is just. I don't like their rule, but let's not pretend it is about justice.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||I like and respect Bill Nye,||
I like and respect Bill Nye, but didn't some guys actually do an experiment and prove him wrong on this point? It seems Bill is on an island with his position. Has he retracted it?
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Touche||
|13 weeks 1 day ago||This is exactly right. Smart||
This is exactly right. Smart choice does not equal a recent national champ. Smart is thinking about a whole host of factors unique to him and the schools.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||I feel we would have to get||
I feel we would have to get every single one that we have a more than 50% chance to get. I have never seen 8 guys commit in one week. Any precedent for that?
|13 weeks 1 day ago||On your last point, where are||
On your last point, where are 7 to 8 kids going to come from this late? I just don't see how it can happen in so little time
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Nice recap. Thanks! I only||
Nice recap. Thanks! I only have one critique. I don't think Weber is in a "heart vs mind" battle. That terminology is poor. It implies that OSU is the smart choice for him. I don't think that is the case. Neither of the situations is smarter for him or one that he "should" do if calculating the best options for him. It is heart vs. heart.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||I know lots of ND grads.||
I know lots of ND grads. None are legacies. Not a single one. It's is hard to get into, but so are many schools. It has nothing more to do with legacy than any other school.
If's not nearly possible if you are good enough to get into good schools.
EDIT: I just looked quickly and ND's acceptance rate is 22% while Michigan's rate is 32%. That is not a HUGE difference. Plus, the acceptance rate doesnt take into account how varied the applicant pool really is for each school. You probably need to look at other data.
I am comfortable saying ND is harder to get into, but not "nearly impossible.: I bet that, if you can get into UM then you stand a really good chance of getting into Notre Dame.
The reason you know so many more UM kids than ND kids at your church is because you live in Michigan. Most parents and kids either dont apply to ND or dont want to pay for it for the reason in your opening post. I would draw acceptance criteria from something like that.
Also, as every here says it depends on the type of degree you want, the important criteria is in the college at each university that you would attend. That is WAY to important to not be considered.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||Wrong facts.You are basing||
|13 weeks 3 days ago||Timing||
Your comment about a Data Scientist (tm) seems to coincide with news from the College of LSA:
|13 weeks 3 days ago||One post||
I am only posting one time in this thread and that is to respond to you.
My point was that I don't think people should be making a big deal about this or publicly bashing these kids. The legal process will work and these things will be sorted out. There is no need to pile on extra condemnation. They were young, dumb kids.
Also, I think that some of the people making such comments did it based on the fact these kids are "spoiled" or "rich" and I think that makes our fanbase look petty and biased. Just look at some of thes posts in this thread criticizing this internal email (never intended for the public) for being too positive about their accomplishments in the past. There is no room for pride for these guys, they should only feel shame at all times! Just petty, stupid stuff.
I have no affiliation with any fraternity and I used to be immature and probably resent those kids to some degree when I was at Michigan (i.e., their wealth and advatages). But, I like to think I have matured and that it is possible for people here as well.
FInally, this topic underscores a lot of the threads we see around here year round giving athletes a hard time for running into legal trouble. It is usually athletes at UM other schools. Many people want to rush to judge these kids for their actions.
IMO these things should be handled privately and/or by the legal system. We don't need a thread full of Nancy Grace types who think they know what's best for young kids in trouble. It is unsightly for this blog.
P.S. - I had fun yesterday with the fact that no one would report their son to the police for xdrunk driving and running into your garage. It's a crime to drive drunk. Punishment should be served. But, in reality our likelihood to call the police depends on how close we are to the person or how much we like them. If it was your son's best frined or neighboor vs. a kid from another town or a kid from a family you dislike a lot. On this blog, its craxy that sports team affiliation or greek affiliation should play so heavily into people's perceptions of a just punishment for kids they don't even know.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||What?||
A judge would definitely call the police on his own son starting his house on fire. You so crazy.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Not a straw man.||
It was properly inferred from its abscene in his response, In fact, he just posted to clairfy that I was right about what his silence meant.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||I guarantee||
I guarantee your son drunk driving, even into your own house, would be a crime.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||No kids in college||
I have zero affiliation with any fraternity or soroity.
I just think people on here are not being fair.
I am almost done with this thread.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Okay.||
I will "ground" my kid the same way that you ground your kid for running into your garage. Is that okay? No need to call the cops. I'll even let you come over to check to make sure I follow through. Surely that solves this whole problem.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Great||
Let him clarify. He didn't say. Will he do the same great service for his own children? Personally, I doubt it.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||and it just so happens....||
That the punishment to the other kid (criminal record, legal fees in addition to damages, nights in jail, etc.) would just be a lot more harsh than a grounding? It seems that, if you want to teach your child a lesson, that you should impose the same penalty selected by society for the crime and not just ground him. Where is that line? When does your homemade punishment stop being enough?
I only ask because I think this is much tougher to answer than we want to let on....
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Yep||
Show of hands, please, how many of you would call the cops on your own kid for running into your garage?
Now what if it was his best friend?
Still not many hands up.
How about if it was some nice kid at school from a down-trodden family?
Now, how about the spoiled, rich kid who picks on your son?
I mean, c'mon. People don't report everything to the cops. You know that.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||I wouldnt be able to pay...||
... and I expect you would. You would love to teach other kids a lesson about the harsh realities of life and that they won't get special treatement. But, then fail to do the same for your son and not call the cops on him when he does the same thing the next week.
If so, either you don't love your son enough to teach him the hard less ons in life OR you're a blatant hypocrite.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Why?||
WOuldn't you want to hold your kid to the same standard as any other kid? Isn't the point here to teach these kids not to be spoiled and that they won't get special treatement any differently than other people?
|13 weeks 4 days ago||The only way||
The only way the hotels shut down for these repairs is if insurance will pay business interruption damage (or the kids' parents). As I said, some rooms will be closed, but repairs shouldnt take weeks.
I am not saying what they did was okay or anything, but let's not make it seem like they shutdown a business or something.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Small business owner||
I am also a small business owner. As you point out, it is not always a lucrative field. However, my point was that money can "make you whole" in a business sense. It does suck to dealwith that stuff, but if it is paid for, then you are fine.
You know that insurance covers business interruption as well (although that will likely not happen in this case). You also know that the people who destroy things can also be liable for the consequential damage to your business in order for you to be made whole.
On the other hand, if you destroy my wedding album and take things from my homwe with sentimental value, then I won't necessarily be made whole by money (like a business would).
In court, the business case never goes to trial or a jury. The business will calculate its damages and a settlement of some kind would be made. If it did get to damages before the jury, the damages would be compensatory and consequential. It would be a math problem.
However, if you destroyed someone's home (while still likely to settle b/c insurance companies and all) there is less certainty over the degree of damages. How do you value a family heirloom that may not have much auction value? I think in that case, you can make a claim to the jury that you have deeper damages than the numbers that needs to be compensated. IN some jurisidictions, you can probably ADD a claim for emotional distress damages because of the personal nature of the items and its effect on your life.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||I am ashamed of people who||
I am ashamed of people who anonymously sit in judgement of college kids on the Internet. I HATE it when football players get in legal trouble at school (Clark, Winston, Rather Hall, etc) and the fans come out and make it a sports issue and bash the kids. I think the teams and schools will take care of it. BUT, in those instances I kind of understand extreme fandom getting in the way of better judgment and there may also be a legit issue there if to certain coach is NOT holding kids accountable or playing favorites to those who make more tackles. Those potential football-related issues usually keep me from getting worked up about people harshly sitting in judgment of kids.
Here, though, there is no sports angle. None. There is also little to associate it with the university as a whole. People just want these kids to PAY and I think a lot of that has to do with hating fraternities or those with advantages in life. It is ugly jealously spurring harsh judgements of young kids who got too drunk and stupid. They should pay, but we shouldn't be sitting here making nasty comments about it.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||They COULD||
Of course they could face prosecution. I just dont know if they will.
I don't know. If my son had a wild party while I was out of town and there was substantial damage to my house, I would be mainly concerned with getting made whole. I guess if he didn't invite them or there were other reasons or if they were unapologetic... I mean maybe I would consider reporting them to the police. But, if it was his friends and his party, I am probably not going to report HIM and the other kids to the police just to "teach them a lesson." I will just want the house fixed at no cost.
Now, if it was my business and not my home in which he threw the party I think I would be less likely to press charges.
P..S. - This is interesting. What if you came home to find your son was buzzed and ran the car into the garage? You would be totally pissed and punish him, etc. But, would you call the police to "teach him a lesson"?
|13 weeks 4 days ago||When?||
Since when did reading comprehesion mean searching for two key words? C'mon.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Lost revenue||
Since when do you close down a hotel for crumbled ceiling tile on the hallway floor? I think they will stay open. Some rooms might have to be closed for drywall repair, but that hardly takes long.
ALso, unlike rape or DUI, there was no danger to life or body here.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Important correction to your assumption||
I am saying those don't matter to me and shouldnt matter to the board. Those are obviously both crimes and society has a way of punishing them and it will. (BTW - I personally consider physical assulat worse than property damage and I think the laws passed by the people agree with me on that).
I just think that, when we are talking about young college kids (and often HS kids) that we don't need the "jumping on" to publicly bash them. What happened with that MSU recruit from Cass Tech was just SAD. No reason to rub it in. That kid has problems and he is going to have a tough life dealing with those mental issues.
So, these things definitely matter, but let's not hide behind computers and berate them more.
That is just my opinion.
P.S. - I am not a defense attorney.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Pictures?||
The ceiling tile picture looks bad because of all the rumble that was created out of the cheap ceiling tile. Otherwise, the damage looks like a crazy party.
If this were the Rolling Stones at a hotel, it would be a funny story that would epitomize rock and roll. But its not. These are kids, so it shouldn't be celebrated. They should pay.
Whether you THINK throwing money at a problem should make it go away, it does in a lot of situations in life. We are talking about property damage. If some drunk husband found out his wife was cheating and busted up a hotel room, I would be fine with him paying for damage. If some neighboor kids are playing ball too close to my house after being warned, then they should pay for the window they broke. Is that just throwing money at the problem? Yes. Do we need more? I don't think so, but I also think that should be up to the parents of the kids in the fraternities and not the internet.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Tolerated?||
Who is tolerating it? These kids are going to pay for the damage. We all want to see that.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Depends||
Your first statement depends on the amount of damage.
Your second statement is wrong IMO. WHile business is important, it hardly means the same to people. If my office was ransacked or my home, I would mainly feel horrible about things that can not be replaced (like pictures and kid drawings). It is mainly the things I brought into my office from home that I would feel are irreplaceable.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||I am arguing against being||
I am arguing against being jaded and bitter about those with more advantages being spoiled idiots. Have patience. Time and life will take their advantages away if they are idiots.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||I would LOVE it f you did||
I would LOVE it f you did that to my car. I am sick of it. I could get more than the trade in value and get a new car.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||I can't wait until the||
I can't wait until the numbers hit $1,000,000 in alleged damages. I guess that will happen when they report it to the insurance company. Someone is going to just a nicely renovated resort out of this with little cost to them!!
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Exactly. Neither matters.||
Exactly. Neither matters.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||It is a horribly racist and||
It is a horribly racist and bad movie in retrospect. A panty raid would result in several criminal charges as well. University sanctioned all you can drum events? I mean, was it reflective of the time or was it over the top when it came out too?
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Dear Lord||
Punish the whole group unless they turn over some members to be punished? In what world is that justice?
Somebody needs to watch the final scenes from Scent of a Woman.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||The law||
You know how it works, right? You get lots of tickets for going 5 MPH over the speed limit? You see black men convicted of crimes they didn't commit by a jury?
Have you heard of prosecutorial discretion?
The law is not just "applied" according to books. Also, where do the books say other kids in the frat houses should have their house suspended and public condemnation brought on their group? This whole public outcry is not in the books.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||You missed||
One big thing you missed on in your quick analogy..... football is pure entertainment.
We are not talking about crime and punishment for kids and fanning those flames. Leave the kids alone already. Get back to mindless entertainement.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||What is his point then?||
Why is he jumping on? I hope they get "everyone" involved in a murder case or in a big scheme to defraud the government. But, why does a regular person hope they get everyone involved in a drunk party that damages property? Who cares that much? I posit it is only someone who thinks this is a serious crime.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Also...||
Their parents will also help them get nice jobs through connections. Or companies will hire them because their parents will be potential clients. Hell, some of them will probably just work at their parents company.
Also, their parents money will help attract a lot of attractive women.
It will also allow them to live a better lifestyle than others in similar jobs because of the lack of debt and the occassional help.
BUT, if the kids act like that they will blow through their parents money sooner than they realize (or their kids will). The family companies will fail with immature kids running the show. What is the old saying? .... Shirt sleeves to shirt sleeves in three generations.
Some of the kids are responsible and will do well and some may have too much money to fail soon, BUT society will weed out and take the money from the kids who "don't learn anything" from things like this....
|13 weeks 4 days ago||If you and everyone is so sure...||
...that the police and authorities will handle this, then where is the story? Why do we need to keep starting threads about it and bringing it up. Its over. No need to fan the flames.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Nice....||
There it is. This is why this is a story in the news.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||No way||
There is no way the damage was equally done by all 6 fraternities/sororities.
That, plus it was likely only a small group overly destructive people at all 6 places combined. There are more members of those houses who didn't do anything and are being punished for it (and derided by the ignorant portion of the public).
It is definitely guilt by proximity for the vast majority of the kids at those houses.
I really hope only the ones involved have to pay up or do community service.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||What does this have to do with MSU?||
Seriously, what does this have to do with sports celebration riots? Anything? Both involve property destruction? Is that the only connection?
Even if it was related, what do you mean about glass houses? I am not "yucking it up" when things happen elsewhere. Plus, who wants MSU kids to get thrown out of school or do more than just pay for their damage?
I guess it would be a glass house if we are here calling for jail time or extreme punishment for property destruction done by other school's students. But, NO ONE argues that.
I am sorry you are embarrassed by a few drunks kids in a handful of fraternties, but get a grip. Let's not "throw the book at them" because they embarrassed the overly sensitive Michigan faithful.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Paying back damages||
You don't think paying back the cost of the damages and (maybe) some community service (likely voluntary in light of the media) is punishment enough?
You want them to have a record and order serve jail time?
They'll pay the hotel for the damage. It'll be fine.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Yes||
Property damage. The worst crime known to mankind.
(Don't you mean you hope they get those spoiled, rich kids?)
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Any word...||
Any word on Lamda Lamda Lamda or the Omega Mu house?
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Adolescent arrested development rant||
I loved the first few "mainstream" comic book movies of the modern era. But....it needs to stop (forgive me if my memory is not up to par):
After the Superman movies of the 70s (Reeve), there wasn't much until Tim Burton's Batman. Aside from some weak sequals, the mainstream comic movies were pretty uneventful.
Then Spiderman, Batman (Dark Knight), Iron Man... stuff started to roll out and became big blockbusters. There was so much money thrown at Hulk movies too in the hopes of widespread success...there seemed to be a new one each year.
Then it seems like the floodgates opened. Every summer there are huge budget comicbook movies. More and More and More. There is even a popular Marvel TV show now and the top sitcom recently (Big Bang) uses comic book culture references a lot.
I have really enjoyed some of the movies. But, enough is enough. Over-saturation. I get it. A lot more people are staying home from movie theaters than ever before. The attendance is really only high for things blowing up that "you have to see on the big screen" otherwise we all can get it at home. We can all guess what is going to happen in the movies, but we check it out (mainly) for the cool special effects.
Moreover, I have young boys. They play superheros and have pretend "action scenes" all the time. The last thing I want to do when it is that rare time for me to watch a "grown up" movie or show with my wife is to watch stuff a 5 year old would love talking about all day.
I may catch this one or another if there are no other options, but I am an adult. Give me an original storyline (not one we know). Give me less blowing things up and good guy always wins. Less use of "supernatural powers" which just gives the storyteller carte blanche to make crap up to get out of tight spots.
Down with the main streaming of comic book culture. It is helping feed our adolescent arrested development as a culture.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Strong reaction||
Your strong reaction made me think that you were reading a lot into the post based on your own, hidden internal issues.
But, then you laid it all out in the open.
I mean, seriously, you said....."A better post would be how do we educate minority students (& poor students) in our schools so that they too can achieve the test scores of Asian students and higher income white students."
Get that crap out of here. This board isn't for political discussion or race-baiting issues.