you can't have one without the other without this one
|17 hours 7 min ago||I know lots of ND grads.||
I know lots of ND grads. None are legacies. Not a single one. It's is hard to get into, but so are many schools. It has nothing more to do with legacy than any other school.
If's not nearly possible if you are good enough to get into good schools.
EDIT: I just looked quickly and ND's acceptance rate is 22% while Michigan's rate is 32%. That is not a HUGE difference. Plus, the acceptance rate doesnt take into account how varied the applicant pool really is for each school. You probably need to look at other data.
I am comfortable saying ND is harder to get into, but not "nearly impossible.: I bet that, if you can get into UM then you stand a really good chance of getting into Notre Dame.
The reason you know so many more UM kids than ND kids at your church is because you live in Michigan. Most parents and kids either dont apply to ND or dont want to pay for it for the reason in your opening post. I would draw acceptance criteria from something like that.
Also, as every here says it depends on the type of degree you want, the important criteria is in the college at each university that you would attend. That is WAY to important to not be considered.
|17 hours 40 min ago||Wrong facts.You are basing||
|19 hours 36 min ago||Timing||
Your comment about a Data Scientist (tm) seems to coincide with news from the College of LSA:
|22 hours 39 min ago||One post||
I am only posting one time in this thread and that is to respond to you.
My point was that I don't think people should be making a big deal about this or publicly bashing these kids. The legal process will work and these things will be sorted out. There is no need to pile on extra condemnation. They were young, dumb kids.
Also, I think that some of the people making such comments did it based on the fact these kids are "spoiled" or "rich" and I think that makes our fanbase look petty and biased. Just look at some of thes posts in this thread criticizing this internal email (never intended for the public) for being too positive about their accomplishments in the past. There is no room for pride for these guys, they should only feel shame at all times! Just petty, stupid stuff.
I have no affiliation with any fraternity and I used to be immature and probably resent those kids to some degree when I was at Michigan (i.e., their wealth and advatages). But, I like to think I have matured and that it is possible for people here as well.
FInally, this topic underscores a lot of the threads we see around here year round giving athletes a hard time for running into legal trouble. It is usually athletes at UM other schools. Many people want to rush to judge these kids for their actions.
IMO these things should be handled privately and/or by the legal system. We don't need a thread full of Nancy Grace types who think they know what's best for young kids in trouble. It is unsightly for this blog.
P.S. - I had fun yesterday with the fact that no one would report their son to the police for xdrunk driving and running into your garage. It's a crime to drive drunk. Punishment should be served. But, in reality our likelihood to call the police depends on how close we are to the person or how much we like them. If it was your son's best frined or neighboor vs. a kid from another town or a kid from a family you dislike a lot. On this blog, its craxy that sports team affiliation or greek affiliation should play so heavily into people's perceptions of a just punishment for kids they don't even know.
|1 day 22 hours ago||What?||
A judge would definitely call the police on his own son starting his house on fire. You so crazy.
|1 day 22 hours ago||Not a straw man.||
It was properly inferred from its abscene in his response, In fact, he just posted to clairfy that I was right about what his silence meant.
|1 day 22 hours ago||I guarantee||
I guarantee your son drunk driving, even into your own house, would be a crime.
|1 day 22 hours ago||No kids in college||
I have zero affiliation with any fraternity or soroity.
I just think people on here are not being fair.
I am almost done with this thread.
|1 day 23 hours ago||Okay.||
I will "ground" my kid the same way that you ground your kid for running into your garage. Is that okay? No need to call the cops. I'll even let you come over to check to make sure I follow through. Surely that solves this whole problem.
|1 day 23 hours ago||Great||
Let him clarify. He didn't say. Will he do the same great service for his own children? Personally, I doubt it.
|1 day 23 hours ago||and it just so happens....||
That the punishment to the other kid (criminal record, legal fees in addition to damages, nights in jail, etc.) would just be a lot more harsh than a grounding? It seems that, if you want to teach your child a lesson, that you should impose the same penalty selected by society for the crime and not just ground him. Where is that line? When does your homemade punishment stop being enough?
I only ask because I think this is much tougher to answer than we want to let on....
|1 day 23 hours ago||Yep||
Show of hands, please, how many of you would call the cops on your own kid for running into your garage?
Now what if it was his best friend?
Still not many hands up.
How about if it was some nice kid at school from a down-trodden family?
Now, how about the spoiled, rich kid who picks on your son?
I mean, c'mon. People don't report everything to the cops. You know that.
|1 day 23 hours ago||I wouldnt be able to pay...||
... and I expect you would. You would love to teach other kids a lesson about the harsh realities of life and that they won't get special treatement. But, then fail to do the same for your son and not call the cops on him when he does the same thing the next week.
If so, either you don't love your son enough to teach him the hard less ons in life OR you're a blatant hypocrite.
|1 day 23 hours ago||Why?||
WOuldn't you want to hold your kid to the same standard as any other kid? Isn't the point here to teach these kids not to be spoiled and that they won't get special treatement any differently than other people?
|1 day 23 hours ago||The only way||
The only way the hotels shut down for these repairs is if insurance will pay business interruption damage (or the kids' parents). As I said, some rooms will be closed, but repairs shouldnt take weeks.
I am not saying what they did was okay or anything, but let's not make it seem like they shutdown a business or something.
|1 day 23 hours ago||Small business owner||
I am also a small business owner. As you point out, it is not always a lucrative field. However, my point was that money can "make you whole" in a business sense. It does suck to dealwith that stuff, but if it is paid for, then you are fine.
You know that insurance covers business interruption as well (although that will likely not happen in this case). You also know that the people who destroy things can also be liable for the consequential damage to your business in order for you to be made whole.
On the other hand, if you destroy my wedding album and take things from my homwe with sentimental value, then I won't necessarily be made whole by money (like a business would).
In court, the business case never goes to trial or a jury. The business will calculate its damages and a settlement of some kind would be made. If it did get to damages before the jury, the damages would be compensatory and consequential. It would be a math problem.
However, if you destroyed someone's home (while still likely to settle b/c insurance companies and all) there is less certainty over the degree of damages. How do you value a family heirloom that may not have much auction value? I think in that case, you can make a claim to the jury that you have deeper damages than the numbers that needs to be compensated. IN some jurisidictions, you can probably ADD a claim for emotional distress damages because of the personal nature of the items and its effect on your life.
|1 day 23 hours ago||I am ashamed of people who||
I am ashamed of people who anonymously sit in judgement of college kids on the Internet. I HATE it when football players get in legal trouble at school (Clark, Winston, Rather Hall, etc) and the fans come out and make it a sports issue and bash the kids. I think the teams and schools will take care of it. BUT, in those instances I kind of understand extreme fandom getting in the way of better judgment and there may also be a legit issue there if to certain coach is NOT holding kids accountable or playing favorites to those who make more tackles. Those potential football-related issues usually keep me from getting worked up about people harshly sitting in judgment of kids.
Here, though, there is no sports angle. None. There is also little to associate it with the university as a whole. People just want these kids to PAY and I think a lot of that has to do with hating fraternities or those with advantages in life. It is ugly jealously spurring harsh judgements of young kids who got too drunk and stupid. They should pay, but we shouldn't be sitting here making nasty comments about it.
|1 day 23 hours ago||They COULD||
Of course they could face prosecution. I just dont know if they will.
I don't know. If my son had a wild party while I was out of town and there was substantial damage to my house, I would be mainly concerned with getting made whole. I guess if he didn't invite them or there were other reasons or if they were unapologetic... I mean maybe I would consider reporting them to the police. But, if it was his friends and his party, I am probably not going to report HIM and the other kids to the police just to "teach them a lesson." I will just want the house fixed at no cost.
Now, if it was my business and not my home in which he threw the party I think I would be less likely to press charges.
P..S. - This is interesting. What if you came home to find your son was buzzed and ran the car into the garage? You would be totally pissed and punish him, etc. But, would you call the police to "teach him a lesson"?
|1 day 23 hours ago||When?||
Since when did reading comprehesion mean searching for two key words? C'mon.
|1 day 23 hours ago||Lost revenue||
Since when do you close down a hotel for crumbled ceiling tile on the hallway floor? I think they will stay open. Some rooms might have to be closed for drywall repair, but that hardly takes long.
ALso, unlike rape or DUI, there was no danger to life or body here.
|2 days 2 min ago||Important correction to your assumption||
I am saying those don't matter to me and shouldnt matter to the board. Those are obviously both crimes and society has a way of punishing them and it will. (BTW - I personally consider physical assulat worse than property damage and I think the laws passed by the people agree with me on that).
I just think that, when we are talking about young college kids (and often HS kids) that we don't need the "jumping on" to publicly bash them. What happened with that MSU recruit from Cass Tech was just SAD. No reason to rub it in. That kid has problems and he is going to have a tough life dealing with those mental issues.
So, these things definitely matter, but let's not hide behind computers and berate them more.
That is just my opinion.
P.S. - I am not a defense attorney.
|2 days 11 min ago||Pictures?||
The ceiling tile picture looks bad because of all the rumble that was created out of the cheap ceiling tile. Otherwise, the damage looks like a crazy party.
If this were the Rolling Stones at a hotel, it would be a funny story that would epitomize rock and roll. But its not. These are kids, so it shouldn't be celebrated. They should pay.
Whether you THINK throwing money at a problem should make it go away, it does in a lot of situations in life. We are talking about property damage. If some drunk husband found out his wife was cheating and busted up a hotel room, I would be fine with him paying for damage. If some neighboor kids are playing ball too close to my house after being warned, then they should pay for the window they broke. Is that just throwing money at the problem? Yes. Do we need more? I don't think so, but I also think that should be up to the parents of the kids in the fraternities and not the internet.
|2 days 18 min ago||Tolerated?||
Who is tolerating it? These kids are going to pay for the damage. We all want to see that.
|2 days 29 min ago||Depends||
Your first statement depends on the amount of damage.
Your second statement is wrong IMO. WHile business is important, it hardly means the same to people. If my office was ransacked or my home, I would mainly feel horrible about things that can not be replaced (like pictures and kid drawings). It is mainly the things I brought into my office from home that I would feel are irreplaceable.
|2 days 41 min ago||I am arguing against being||
I am arguing against being jaded and bitter about those with more advantages being spoiled idiots. Have patience. Time and life will take their advantages away if they are idiots.
|2 days 42 min ago||I would LOVE it f you did||
I would LOVE it f you did that to my car. I am sick of it. I could get more than the trade in value and get a new car.
|2 days 45 min ago||I can't wait until the||
I can't wait until the numbers hit $1,000,000 in alleged damages. I guess that will happen when they report it to the insurance company. Someone is going to just a nicely renovated resort out of this with little cost to them!!
|2 days 47 min ago||Exactly. Neither matters.||
Exactly. Neither matters.
|2 days 49 min ago||It is a horribly racist and||
It is a horribly racist and bad movie in retrospect. A panty raid would result in several criminal charges as well. University sanctioned all you can drum events? I mean, was it reflective of the time or was it over the top when it came out too?
|2 days 55 min ago||Dear Lord||
Punish the whole group unless they turn over some members to be punished? In what world is that justice?
Somebody needs to watch the final scenes from Scent of a Woman.
|2 days 1 hour ago||The law||
You know how it works, right? You get lots of tickets for going 5 MPH over the speed limit? You see black men convicted of crimes they didn't commit by a jury?
Have you heard of prosecutorial discretion?
The law is not just "applied" according to books. Also, where do the books say other kids in the frat houses should have their house suspended and public condemnation brought on their group? This whole public outcry is not in the books.
|2 days 1 hour ago||You missed||
One big thing you missed on in your quick analogy..... football is pure entertainment.
We are not talking about crime and punishment for kids and fanning those flames. Leave the kids alone already. Get back to mindless entertainement.
|2 days 1 hour ago||What is his point then?||
Why is he jumping on? I hope they get "everyone" involved in a murder case or in a big scheme to defraud the government. But, why does a regular person hope they get everyone involved in a drunk party that damages property? Who cares that much? I posit it is only someone who thinks this is a serious crime.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Also...||
Their parents will also help them get nice jobs through connections. Or companies will hire them because their parents will be potential clients. Hell, some of them will probably just work at their parents company.
Also, their parents money will help attract a lot of attractive women.
It will also allow them to live a better lifestyle than others in similar jobs because of the lack of debt and the occassional help.
BUT, if the kids act like that they will blow through their parents money sooner than they realize (or their kids will). The family companies will fail with immature kids running the show. What is the old saying? .... Shirt sleeves to shirt sleeves in three generations.
Some of the kids are responsible and will do well and some may have too much money to fail soon, BUT society will weed out and take the money from the kids who "don't learn anything" from things like this....
|2 days 1 hour ago||If you and everyone is so sure...||
...that the police and authorities will handle this, then where is the story? Why do we need to keep starting threads about it and bringing it up. Its over. No need to fan the flames.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Nice....||
There it is. This is why this is a story in the news.
|2 days 1 hour ago||No way||
There is no way the damage was equally done by all 6 fraternities/sororities.
That, plus it was likely only a small group overly destructive people at all 6 places combined. There are more members of those houses who didn't do anything and are being punished for it (and derided by the ignorant portion of the public).
It is definitely guilt by proximity for the vast majority of the kids at those houses.
I really hope only the ones involved have to pay up or do community service.
|2 days 1 hour ago||What does this have to do with MSU?||
Seriously, what does this have to do with sports celebration riots? Anything? Both involve property destruction? Is that the only connection?
Even if it was related, what do you mean about glass houses? I am not "yucking it up" when things happen elsewhere. Plus, who wants MSU kids to get thrown out of school or do more than just pay for their damage?
I guess it would be a glass house if we are here calling for jail time or extreme punishment for property destruction done by other school's students. But, NO ONE argues that.
I am sorry you are embarrassed by a few drunks kids in a handful of fraternties, but get a grip. Let's not "throw the book at them" because they embarrassed the overly sensitive Michigan faithful.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Paying back damages||
You don't think paying back the cost of the damages and (maybe) some community service (likely voluntary in light of the media) is punishment enough?
You want them to have a record and order serve jail time?
They'll pay the hotel for the damage. It'll be fine.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Yes||
Property damage. The worst crime known to mankind.
(Don't you mean you hope they get those spoiled, rich kids?)
|2 days 1 hour ago||Any word...||
Any word on Lamda Lamda Lamda or the Omega Mu house?
|2 days 1 hour ago||Adolescent arrested development rant||
I loved the first few "mainstream" comic book movies of the modern era. But....it needs to stop (forgive me if my memory is not up to par):
After the Superman movies of the 70s (Reeve), there wasn't much until Tim Burton's Batman. Aside from some weak sequals, the mainstream comic movies were pretty uneventful.
Then Spiderman, Batman (Dark Knight), Iron Man... stuff started to roll out and became big blockbusters. There was so much money thrown at Hulk movies too in the hopes of widespread success...there seemed to be a new one each year.
Then it seems like the floodgates opened. Every summer there are huge budget comicbook movies. More and More and More. There is even a popular Marvel TV show now and the top sitcom recently (Big Bang) uses comic book culture references a lot.
I have really enjoyed some of the movies. But, enough is enough. Over-saturation. I get it. A lot more people are staying home from movie theaters than ever before. The attendance is really only high for things blowing up that "you have to see on the big screen" otherwise we all can get it at home. We can all guess what is going to happen in the movies, but we check it out (mainly) for the cool special effects.
Moreover, I have young boys. They play superheros and have pretend "action scenes" all the time. The last thing I want to do when it is that rare time for me to watch a "grown up" movie or show with my wife is to watch stuff a 5 year old would love talking about all day.
I may catch this one or another if there are no other options, but I am an adult. Give me an original storyline (not one we know). Give me less blowing things up and good guy always wins. Less use of "supernatural powers" which just gives the storyteller carte blanche to make crap up to get out of tight spots.
Down with the main streaming of comic book culture. It is helping feed our adolescent arrested development as a culture.
|2 days 22 hours ago||Strong reaction||
Your strong reaction made me think that you were reading a lot into the post based on your own, hidden internal issues.
But, then you laid it all out in the open.
I mean, seriously, you said....."A better post would be how do we educate minority students (& poor students) in our schools so that they too can achieve the test scores of Asian students and higher income white students."
Get that crap out of here. This board isn't for political discussion or race-baiting issues.
|2 days 22 hours ago||One more thing....||
...I do not live in GP, but I would consider it.
The city of Detroit seems to be on an upswing and I think that will help GP more than any of the other suburbs you mentioned.
|2 days 22 hours ago||Law school example||
Yeah, I know for years Wayne State always had the highest bar passage rate. They beat UM regularly. But, Michigan was clearly the better law school. WSU prepped you for the bar exam. UM and other top schools focused on legal theory, etc.
In the end the bar exam has little to nothing to do with practicing law. But, someone might look at the scorse of the Michigan bar exam and come to some wrong conclusions about ranking schools. (NOTE, I think both are good schools though).
|2 days 22 hours ago||I grew up in Rochester.||
I grew up in Rochester. Shady is hard to describe as a concept. I don't mean violent. I mean it from an economic standpoint compared to the rest of the city. It was in my "wealth" paragraph. Anyway, there is a trailer park and some cheap apartment complexes where people live on government assistance. (Not public housing, just cheap enough to afford on welfare.)
This may surprise you but there are homeless people everywhere. EDIT: By "everywhere" I mean in every American city, not all over the City of Rochester.
|2 days 22 hours ago||I didn't mean safety. I was||
I didn't mean safety. I was talking about wealth in that paragraph. See my response re rochester. Same thing. Grosse Pointe is similar. Lots of wealth, but not universal in the city.
|2 days 23 hours ago||You ask a lot of different||
You ask a lot of different things in your post. Are you wondering about the ability to get into UM from GP? Are you saying their community is not as wealthy anymore? Are you asking about overall HS ratings and whether GP has fallen?
|3 days 4 min ago||Detroit and Warren. Their racism is not subtle at all.||
Detroit and Warren. Their racism is not subtle at all.
|4 days 22 hours ago||Y||
|6 days 12 hours ago||This deflategate story had||
This deflategate story had legs. The media really latched onto it. It must be important.
|6 days 21 hours ago||Should, but we likely wouldn't be talking about it.||
Should, but we likely wouldn't be talking about it.
|6 days 23 hours ago||Nahhh. Klima is not my last||
Nahhh. Klima is not my last name and my username is a combo of the famous name and an inside joke. Although I am an older guy here, I wasn't in AA until the 90s.
|1 week 1 min ago||I understand why you allow||
I understand why you allow it. I guess I just don't understand why people care.... that is until I realized this is about spoiled rich kids. You are right that not all crimes have the same cache or register the same even if they are a comparable amount of damages. The highly disputable amount of damages in not the reason people here care about it. A 40k traffic accident involving an UM student wouldn't register. An apartment complex party involving "regular" students that causes property damage would not register. But, these kids are rich, spoiled shots. We want to publicly flog them.... Even if all the damage is paid for in the end and no one was hurt.
|1 week 34 min ago||Spoiled rich kids as a||
Spoiled rich kids as a storyline only sells to me if they are not held accountable for their actions. They will be here. End of story.
|1 week 58 min ago||UM student crime - What is newsworthy for MGoBlog?||
[ed-s: he started a separate thread but I took the liberty of putting it here after moderating that thread]
This relates to the University of Michigan generally, so I am sure most people will think it is thread worthy.
What a few kids from an UM fraternity did off campus is getting a lot of attention from some of you. What they did was stupid and they definitely should pay for all the damage or be sued for those damages by the resorts. No questions. But, why do people care to get online and scold these kids more?? (I understand if you live near these resorts or know these guys, but that is not the vast majority of you.)
Personally, I have a problem pointing to drunken stupid actions by a few college kids at a "hotel party" and drawing any connection to their university from it. You might as well draw a stronger connection to the Greek system (not the school), to their state of residence (Michigan kids ar bums) or their major (LSA or the BSchool should feel ashamed). I just didn't get it at first...but I am starting to realize what is going on.
My theory.... it is only when kids with "privilege," such as rich fraternity kids driving luxury cars or pampered student-athletes, commit the crimes that it is newsworthy. The story with the frat destruction and even players who get in legal trouble is...."they are entitled or overly-entitled and think they are above the law...... how disgusting." This is why the media outlets harp on it too. It resonates with the common man.
Its off-putting that those thread are really about judging people who have a special status (wealth, fame, etc.) that most of us don't enjoy. I am not wealthy nor even athletic, but I don't notice when people are being judged by a different standard.
These kids are caught and the hotels will be made whole. They don't deserve any additional public condemnation.
It should be noted, that this has nothing to do with hundreds and thousands of fans taking to the street after a big sporting event. That is obviousy more closely related to this board (sports), involves more people than a handful and is an odd way to "celebrate" a sports victory. (I don't think those things are important either though.)
So, my question is....if its not about judging people with a more special status than you, what UM student-related crime warrants its own thread? Only those that involve pictures of damage? Only those that meet a certain dollar amount thresh-hold?
Here is the crime report from two days on campus, presumably some involve UM students. There are some expensive items at issue, do any warrant a thread? Is the cut-off $5K, $10k, $25K in estimated damages??
Should we also start posting about non-atheletes charged with violations of the sexual conduct standards at UM? Clearly those kids are committing much more heinous crimes. Someone want to start a thread about it? Its Michigan related.
|1 week 1 hour ago||I am an old man who was about||
I am an old man who was about as far away from a frat boy as possible when I went to UM. I just don't think this has much to do with the school or its overall student body. Also, I am not too quick to publicly bash kids for being kids.
|1 week 3 hours ago||Breaking a board rule about||
Breaking a board rule about premium content has nothing to do with the moral issues of crime or property damage.
|1 week 4 hours ago||I can understand that.||
I can understand that.
|1 week 5 hours ago||I would guess sierragold||
I would guess sierragold lived in northern Michigan as well. I can see this as a big story up there. Not much happens. On the other hand, the only place I have seen it is on this board. I am sure the Freep wrote a story on it, but they also write lots of odd news stories each day.
|1 week 5 hours ago||Why do you comment on my||
Why do you comment on my comment then? Just ignore it. Wait. You didn't. I wait for the day when a UM student keys a bunch of cars and we get a thread about the damaged cars. Oh no!
|1 week 5 hours ago||I am a hypocrite because I||
I am a hypocrite because I judge Frank Clark differently than Les Miles? One is a set usenet athlete who made some youthful mistakes and the other is the guy you are hiring to be the leader and face of the football team? Let me put it this way, I don't care what either Clark or Miles did, but I am not going to hire either of them to run my company. Understand?
|1 week 12 hours ago||So they smashed up a couple||
So they smashed up a couple dozen drop ceiling tiles and it made a big mess on the floor? Wow. Won't someone think of the children?
|1 week 23 hours ago||Allowed, but not important||
Allowed, but not important IMO. It's trying real hard to be important, but it can't overcome that bar too well. It may be newsworthy moth of the Zilwaukee bridge, but it is in "news bits" sections elsewhere.
|1 week 1 day ago||50k is a lot compared to||
50k is a lot compared to median household income? Why not compare it to global household income or to the total number of coffees you can buy? We don't compare it to that because it has nothing to do with that. Just pick a comparison stat that makes it look big, right? What if I compared $50,000 to the amount of money a ski resort makes a season (millions) or the cost of a short hospital stay? What is it compared to the national debt or the spending of the State Michigan?
|1 week 1 day ago||1. You have extremely thin||
1. You have extremely thin skin. 2. An estimate of $50,000 worth of damage is not much. It is the same you might get from a two car accident or a sprinkler system going off in a hotel. 3. This has nothing to do with sports celebrations. All vandalism is not the same. Spraying graffiti on a budding is not the same as breaking windows to celebrate a Pistons victory. Moreover, this wasn't hundreds of various fans taking to the streets to celebrate. This is partying too hard at a hotel by a small group of kids. Ask yourself a question, was there tear gas involved? Riot police? There is no equivalency here.
|1 week 1 day ago||Hardly. I detested||
Hardly. I detested fraternities when I was at UM. Not a fan of the concept even. I just think that this is hardly newsworthy. The only discussion it has really started is whether it is newsworthy enough to post here. It's just a dumb topic.
|1 week 1 day ago||So, only mods police this||
So, only mods police this place? There should be no community or self-regulation? If you disagree with the quality of the posts here, then just skip them and don't try to improve this place? Why do you comment about the comments that shouldn't be made? Maybe your comment/opinion shouldn't be made as well? If you disagree with comments to a post, why did you post here? The hypocrisy is almost astounding.
|1 week 1 day ago||This is not about sports/entertainment.||
This is not about sports/entertainment.
|1 week 1 day ago||You need to understand the||
You need to understand the difference between what you "can" do and what you "should" do. The FAQs don't address it, so you'll have to think about it.
|1 week 1 day ago||I did.||
Maybe you should try to type it out to see how far afield your thoughts are from a reasonable discussion point.
Are their actions bad? Yes.
Does this have much to do with the university? No.
Does this have anything to do with "sports win" riots? Nope.
So, what is the point? Do you want to talk about our feelings on fraternities? Maybe you want to have a discussion of underage drinking that causes property damage? Maybe you want to talk about secruity at resorts in Michigan? How about we discuss the quality of craftsmanship of furniture nowadays versus the more solid furnmiture and construction of old?
I guess we could ust this as a jumping off point for any inane conversation.
Maybe I'll start a post about an ugly UM sticker I saw on a car and we can discuss it. The manufacutring of stickers in China vs. American manufacturing? The diffference with other school stickers? The University supporting carbon monoxide pollution by condoning bumper stickers?
The OP just posted this because it mentions UM students. There is no valid point of discussion.
It might as well be a troll post TRYING to make this an issue.
|1 week 1 day ago||at theuniversity||
I am just correcting the person who said it happened at the University. It didn't I don't think its important, but mis-stating what happened doesnt help anybody/
|1 week 1 day ago||What?||
How is it embarrassing? Are you a member of one of the fraternities? As an alum, I find no embarrassment from this. It is like being embarrassed because some UM students comit a random crime. My skin is not thin enough to be embarassed by something as diconnected as this.
Why post? I thought about ignorig it, like most of the pointless threads. But, the OP wrote the post in such a way as to suggest even he had no idea why he was posting it.
|1 week 1 day ago||It matters||
It matters to the resorts, etc. There is just no substantive discussion that comes from it. Who thinks it was bad? Okay, everyone. What else do you have?
|1 week 1 day ago||1. It didn't happen at the||
1. It didn't happen at the University. 2. There is nothing to discuss about it.
|1 week 1 day ago||What is the point of your post?||
What is the point of your post?
|1 week 2 days ago||How to spin a story?||
How to spin a story? Harbaugh and staff have been scrambling and going after commits from MANY schools. I think they have offerd multile kids in classes for Texas, UCLA, Ohio State, etc. it makes sense that list would include MSU since.... Their recruits are also in our backyard.
|1 week 5 days ago||What does Red Robin have to do with Red Hawk?||
What does Red Robin have to do with Red Hawk?
|1 week 5 days ago||Something that arose out of the Red Hawk photo?||
Something that arose out of the Red Hawk photo?
|1 week 5 days ago||Red Robin? Is this some kind of joke I missed?||
Red Robin? Is this some kind of joke I missed?
|1 week 6 days ago||I read the articles BTW||
I had forgotten most of the things about it. I understand you think it is unfair that the letter is associated with the school, but, unfortunately it is associated.
TO mitigate that, you hope that people see its just some dude and not anyone affiliated with the school. But, I didn't see that conclusion anywhere in those links. The author could or could not be associated with the school. No one knows.
|1 week 6 days ago||Way not to be overly-defensive||
No one made any accusations. Calm down, son. Doth protest too much.
|1 week 6 days ago||Umm….||
Yeah. I never said the school policy is to move away from the name, just the families now that it has moved out of Redford. I never heard any talk like this when it was in Redford. It is more prevelant now even if we can debate "how" prevelant it is now.
That is just the way it is.
|1 week 6 days ago||Never heard of it?||
Did you read the original post (presumably by a CC student)? He seems to have made a transition over to "Novi Catholic Central." In addition, I ran into the parents of a CC student (through my in-laws) and those parents were qucik to point out that the school was not in Detroit, but it was in Novi (one of the "nicer suburbs").
I don't remember hearing any talk like that from my roommate at Michigan (CC grad) or other kids I knew from CC years ago.
I think it is a current thing. I am not saying that a few examples are conclusive, but it does give an image of what some people might be thinking that I never saw in my numerous previous interactions with CC people.
P.S. - Not to stir it up, but isn't CC the school that had a supporter send a racist letter to Cass Tech after losing the championship game recently? I can't remember if it was CC or a West Michigan School.
|1 week 6 days ago||It wasn't really there when||
It wasn't really there when the school was in Redford. People associated with the school now seem more likely to self-identify it as located in Novi, even when location isn't an issue. This is not surprising. Didn't East Detroit change its name to East Point in order to disassociate itself?
|1 week 6 days ago||They are dying not to be||
They are dying not to be associated with the name Detroit. They really want to be known as Novi.
|2 weeks 14 min ago||One man's precision...||
....is another man's pedantry.
EDIT: I was also clearly just making a point with that example.
|2 weeks 1 hour ago||So now he gave conflicting||
So now he gave conflicting quotes and one of them says right after Harbaugh was hired he spent time personally determining that Kelly was the best player in the state? I just can't wrap my mind around how foggy this all is when it comes to what Harbaugh actually thinks of Kelly relative to other players. I don't think any of these quotes are worth much. Thanks for the scouting report though......
|2 weeks 1 hour ago||So it wasn't "best athlete"||
So it wasn't "best athlete" and it sounds like Coach Singletary told Harbaugh all about him and it was Singletary who decided he was the best player in the state (plusgiven time constraints, it is highly unlikely Harbaugh had made that assessment himself).
|2 weeks 2 hours ago||Best athlete in the state?||
Best athlete in the state? Is that quote? Better than any player on the Michigan team? Shouldn't his team be offended? Better than Calvin Johnson? Wait....maybe he meant best athlete for a high school football prospect? I guess Cole is not a prospect anymore. Also, that obviously doesn't mean best football player in the state (Cole). You can be athletic and not particularly suited for any one position in football. Kelly may be a fine player and succeed and make the NFL, but always take these DIRECT quotes from third party sources with a grain of salt!!
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Hardly a ringing endorsement||
Hardly a ringing endorsement of his coaching. He is very unproven as a coach, just like Jay Harbaugh
|2 weeks 1 day ago||If the kids did that||
If the kids did that analysis, wouldn't they also critique the performance of the secondary under Manning? Maybe those kids might only say Manning got his job because he was personable, but had the skills of a scout not coach? I am not saying that it is true, just showing you how silly it is to think there is a difference. Both are young people who can make connections. Neither has proven much as coach...yet.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||What? Hardly? We have the||
What? Hardly? We have the resources to keep at it. Michigan is bigger than Harbaugh. We all know that. Even Jim knows that.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Devil's advocate here. I||
Devil's advocate here. I don't like the hire, but.... You really think a Harbaugh is the same to some recruit as a 25 year old guy? The son of Jim who recently worked for John in Baltimore? You don't think that will resonate? I think it will in a lot of ways. Plus, aside from name recognition and similarly perceived credentials, recruiting is about the ability to make relationships. I am not worried there at all.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Ugh||
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Mattison press release just||
Mattison press release just came out too as it was released in the press regarding Mattison
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Hmmmmmm||
Reminds me of this:
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|2 weeks 5 days ago||I don't think so. Not having||
I don't think so. Not having that as a night game was one of his few good ideas (like the soccer game, Winter Classic, UTL, etc.)
|3 weeks 15 hours ago||I wonder what Allen Iverson would say about this....||
I wonder what Allen Iverson would say about this....
|3 weeks 19 hours ago||Posts like this||
Between posts like this, crazy people posting pictures of Harbaugh meeting with potential coaches, and my general excitement level (which I assume we all have), I think we get about 75K for the spring game.
I can't believe we have to wait through winter, spring and summer before we see some f--ing games!!
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Is Tyrone Wheatley in there||
Is Tyrone Wheatley in there too? Saw it in the edge of the internet
|3 weeks 1 day ago||I saw a tweet that he has already set an official visit to UM||
I saw a tweet that he has already set an official visit to UM
|3 weeks 1 day ago||The old staff went off ratings? I doubt it.||
The old staff went off ratings? I doubt it.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Not a great time of year to||
Not a great time of year to woo young kids from the south, but our staff might do it. Back outside into the bitter cold for me!!
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Buffalo||
Didnt this just happen in Buffalo too? I am not sure if that was a firing or the HC asking to be released. Between those two jobs, Saban moving down and Jim Harbaugh, I wonder if working in the NFL is all it is cracked up to be?
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Once again...||
Bilicheck is an elite coach. That is proven by the fact that he can rotate staff and get similar results. That is how you know whether a coach is a Gene Chizik or a Nick Saban.
What makes a coach truly elite and succesful is winning everywhere and through player and coach turnover.
Saban, Carrol, Belicheck have done this. Meyer appears to have done it as well. But, even if there are great coaches their units can go up and down a bit with coordinator changes.
As for Dantonio, no one really knows. We could guess. The defense has clearly been their calling card (that and last second wins). If he can generate another elite defense without Narduzzi or Bullough, he will be fine. He has definitely built confidence in his players, but that only goes so far when push comes to shove.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Ummm||
Our rivals are already "talking about us and our awesome" head coach. A lot. Also, I am sure that when JH names coordinators, that those two other schools will talk about them.
Look, we don't have a bowl game and both MSU and OSU played yesterday. I thought it was a timely question.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||No worries.||
Snarkiness aside. There are lots of times that great coordinators elevate good coaches and then leave and the reality appears that it was more a coordinator than the coach.
It happens. WHile it seems hard to see that happening given Meyer's track record, it seems entirely possible with Dantonio (but not likely IMO).
|3 weeks 5 days ago||I think it was causation||
All reports were that Bullough was like a defensive coordinator out there on the field. He made sure guys were in position. He had the ability to call blitzes and to make adjustments based on the offense. He wasn't an elite player from a physical standpoint, but he ran the defense out there on the field.
Also, before he started and after he started, the defenses were not elite. Lots of players moved around in those 3 seasons too.
I feel pretty confident that Bullough's "quarterbacking" of the defense played a very big role in the best period in the histroy of MSU's defense.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Excellent point.||
True. Very true.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||???||
Your question is not legitimate because it is loaded quesiton that contains an assumption that directs the answer.
Does a "successful coach" ever suffer a setback when a cooridnator leaves? Well, no, not if you are a "successful coach" right? If Dantonio's teams struggle ater replacing Narduzzi, then he wasnt a succefful coach, was he?
Your definition of successful can fluctate to whether the loss of a coordinator hurt or not. Circular logic.
There are numerous examples of great college coordinators lifting up good/not great coaches and making the HC seem more successful than he would otherwise be. People thought that about Mullen and Meyer at Florida, but Meyer found Herman (after Addazio and a break from football).
That is why it appears Meyer (a proven "successful enough coach" to weatehr a change) will be better off thant Dantonio.
Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Pete Carrol and other multiple National Champtionship coaches might all be successful to weather any storm. But, guys below that, who look good for a period of time may not (i.e., Mack Brown, Kirk Ferentz, Brett Beliema, etc.)
|3 weeks 6 days ago||??||
Where do you get the idea that Dantonio runs the MSU defense? Everything I have read indicates that it was all Narduzzi's idea that he foisted upon Dantonio. Every indication is that Narduzzi calls the plays for his own system.
While Herman may call the plays in C-Bus, he definitely had to go along with Meyer's established offensive scheme.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Agree||
As you can tell from my post, MSU's defense were elite with Max Bullough. Without him, just very good.
MSU had gained a lot of confidence from the past 5 seasons. A lot of that was built on the backs of the Bullough Defenses. They feel good overall now, but if they take a further step back there, it could be rouger on all.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Point of clarification -||
I don't think anyone considered State's defense "vaunted" this year.
I think Dantonio fighting to keep guys who know the system that Narduzzi convinced Dantonio to run shows how important Narduzzi was, as opposed to Dantonio.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||The thing about other guys on the staff||
Your comment is intriguing. It seems to imply that ANYTIME a coach is promoted from within, there shouldn't be that much drop off. Those guys "know the system." But, that clearly is not the case. Knowledge of the system is only a piece of the puzzle and I would argue, at MSU other things are more important in light of the "lower" level of talent.
Are either of these guys the same type of motivator as Narduzzi? His emotion seemed to be a big part of what drove the defense.
Are either of these guys qualified to make the tough calls in-game?
Can they make adjustments during the game?
Can they adapt Narduzzi's system when other teams attack it?
Also, with two people sharing one role, who calls the plays and does that affect how the other one feels about his stature?
Part of me also thinks that Narduzzi was fine leaving those guys there because it was his system and he can install it elsewhere. He didn't NEED them as bad as Dantonio.
But, time will tell.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Interesting. Thanks.||
I seem to recall people saying that the scheme was Narduzzi's and he had to convince Dantonio to move away from size and toward speed and an attacking defense. I am sure Dantonio knows a lot about it too, now, but I think your schemes need to evolve as the other teams evolve. I am not sure if Dantonio's mindset allows that, or whether he allows his new DCs that freedom.
Another interesting fact is "who is replacing these guys." I think Dantonio's move to name his two guys co-DC imp[lies that he needs people who know Narduzzi's system.
I don't know who is replacing Herman.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||You forgot one huge departure||
You forgot one huge departure - Pat Narduzzi. When State lost their "on the field mini-DC" in Bullough, the defense took a step back this year. Now they lose their real DC and the high emotion guy that went along with Dantonio's stoic demeanor. I know Dantonio is still a good defensive coach, but the chances are higher that the defense takes a general step back next year without Narduzzi.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Just curious. Do people||
Just curious. Do people think Baylor just choked it away or that Sparty took it from them?
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Did OSU already win the||
Did OSU already win the national title? Maybe it is just the fact that the SEC was a bit of a pretender conference this year? They really have shown to be mediocre at best in the bowl season. Bama was number one because the assumption was the SEC was the best conference and they won it. Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens with Oregon. But, either way this sets up well because we have them at home this year.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Boom. Roasted.||
|4 weeks 2 days ago||I suddenly understand how this woman fetl||
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Its happening gif||
I love it. Thanks guys! But, shouldn't it be blinking on the front page right now?!?! Didn't Harbaugh just board the plane at 10 am? That gif is an actual event. (No confirmation on whether he was wearing a hat though).
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah. Credit due.||
Yeah. Credit due.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Your post assumes it is the||
Your post assumes it is the same position at either school. It is not. Being a co-DC is not the same as being the DC. The coaching world is well aware of the difference. Other-wise, why not just call all your position coaches "co-coordinators"? No rule that it can only be two or anything.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||That all depends on if you||
That all depends on if you think Dantonio or Narduzzi was the primary reason that MSU turned around.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||I don't know about that.||
I don't know about that. Unlikely they pay both 500k. Either one would likely get the same salary or more at Pitt. That person could also be the only coordinator (a step up for a co title).
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Do your own work.||
Do your own work.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||With 40 of 44 in the two deep||
With 40 of 44 in the two deep returning and a top ten defense last year and vastly improved running game, I think it all depends on how quickly the QB develops. I think they may drop a couple early ones, but be going steadier by Big Ten season. The only Big Ten team that is scary good is OSU and they are losing Herman. But, Meyer has a track record of success without him. As for MSU, Narduzzi meant more to them and Dantonio has not proven anything as a head coach without him. The MSU game is also a home game (unlike recent years). Overall, I expect 2-3 losses overall and only one in the Big Ten, but unfortunately OSU won't lose any B10 games.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Can someone on Twitter PLEASE||
Can someone on Twitter PLEASE blow up Gil Brandt about why Cutliffe would turn down the job that Harbaugh took. Looks like times have changed, eh Gil?
|4 weeks 5 days ago||At least Dantonio has||
At least Dantonio has Narduzzi....er..... at least he has a long track record of success without Narduzzi....er..... He is still a good coach, but the framework that got him to 6-2 against Michigan is changing dramatically this year.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Aaahhhhh||
|5 weeks 4 days ago||I'd upvote that||
Respect for the Photoshop skills!
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Les Miles mafia?||
Les Miles mafia?
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Do we need a new searchbits? Lots more positive chatter.||
Do we need a new searchbits? Lots more positive chatter.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||But what if you found out||
But what if you found out that the concussion rate was just as high or higher in other everyday activities your kids engage in? And that, as long as they are not obese linemen, your kids will have a healthier and longer life as a football player?
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Idiotic article IMO. Boxing||
Idiotic article IMO. Boxing was replaced by MMA fighting, which is surging in popularity. That is much more brutal thA n boxing. Boxing lost popularity because it was perceived as "fixed." Also, this type of thing has been questioned before when players were dying on the field decades (up to a century ago). The game has adjusted and will adjust. Of course, some anecdotes about Bradshaw and the feelings of soccer moms in the northeast prove more than history.... right.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Meh. The NFL arrogance leads||
Meh. The NFL arrogance leads me to believe that they may not have contemplated going back to college. That said, in employment contracts it is usually a non-compete type buyout. JH wouldn't have to pay if he just retired or got sick. He may only need to pay if he took a competing job (that is where the justification for charging any penalty for not working). Who knows what competition is defined as in this contract. Tons of different ways to do it and NO IDEA what the contract actually says. Might as well speculate wildly, like we do about everything here :)
|5 weeks 4 days ago||He's a silent verbal commit IMO||
He's a silent verbal commit IMO
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Anything||
As a lawyer, i wanted to say it simply depends on the language of the contract. None of these high profile contracts are form or "boilerplate" only. They are all custom. Talk to someone who has seen this particular contract.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Silent commit?I get the||
|5 weeks 5 days ago||I read the uncle connection||
I read the uncle connection tweet in his feed before Brian referenced him. If it's not there, he must have deleted it (which he is apparently prone to do a lot). I know what I read though. I was really curious hoe he got his info and the claimed connection seemed odd.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||I think Wiley isn't too||
I think Wiley isn't too smart. He needs to be quiet regardless of the situation
|5 weeks 5 days ago||We aren't going to know what to do when it really happens.||
We aren't going to know what to do when it really happens.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah||
Its a conflict. BUt, I wholeheardtedly believe this is a two horse race, Oakland or Michigan.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||I thought this was going to be about....||
... a way to call in sick from work on December 23rd to track the potential hapenings that day.
BUT, since it is just a thread about feelings, let me share mine (because you guys haven't seen enough speculaiton) about an oft-ignored point:
I think Harbaugh moving around a lot as a kid is an important factor in his mental make-up. Some people consider him a "flake" and that friendships are not the same with him as with others.
I have seen this first-hand. I live with someone who moved around a lot as a kid. That person isnt used to building friendships the same way I have been. When you move, you get used to ending friendships and you are not as good at doing the little things to keep them going. That person has always craved having roots established in one area.
Plus, there is a really, really strong conneciton to family because that has been the only constant.
Often, people don't want their kids to grow up the same way. They want something "better." I think this is why "staying in SF area" has been something of some importance to Jim's family. Probably why the Niners job was taken, in part. However, in light of events beyond his control, he is probably going to have to leave unless he wants to play for the local joke franchise.
Ann Arbor has a lot of home qualities. Lots of old firends. He could be there a long, long time. Any other NFL stop could be short. Plus, his beloved father seems to want him there and for him to be close. (He will also be closer to John, this sister, etc.) Of course, Bo may have been like a father. JH may have a big ego, but I think something inside him wants the stability he never enjoyed.
In some ways, people who move around and lose treasured friends during their formative years really want to plant roots somewhere they can call home......
|5 weeks 5 days ago||WHat is the difference between...||
...having one game to coach and having two games to coach? You leave the team either way. Both are "bailing" but I think both are fine.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Sad||
That makes me sad. It also makes me think of Soul Asylum's Somebody to Shove.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||MODS: Please take down or at||
MODS: Please take down or at least, reticle the post. There is little indication this is coming from Harbaugh's actual agent. This guy claims his uncle went to high school with the agent. But, this agent is sharing detailed texts about JH that no other reputable source receives? And the agent is okay with it all being posted on Twitter?
|6 weeks 20 min ago||Can one of you "Twitter folk"||
Can one of you "Twitter folk" send this on to these reporters? I think they need to know how long ago that offer was being reported and that it is not an increased offer that has changed things. Thanks!!!
|6 weeks 40 min ago||Brian's mistake||
I honestly believe that giving credence to this guy is Brian's mistake. One of only a few.
Unless I am missing something, this guy claims that his uncle "went to high school" with Harbaugh's agent. Apparently, that is enough of a connection for the agent to spend 30 minutes and more on the phone with this guy for him to send out the information on twitter. That doesn't seem like something an agent would do during contract negotiations.
Why, when all has been silent in the media does the agent start sharing stuff with a rando on twitter?
A lot of things are either already out there or not verifiable (i.e,, Harbaugh presented with formal offer at noon PST yesterday - after the news of the offer had been out there for a while).
Add in the fact that he has never verified anything about his connection to the agent and that this is the time when people like this come out of the woodwork and I say:
|6 weeks 12 hours ago||Agents by DEFINITION are||
Agents by DEFINITION are people you control. No way Harbaugh allows his agent to use UM for leverage even if they suggest it to him. You have never hired an attorney or agent for anything, have you?
|6 weeks 14 hours ago||That makes very little sense.||
That makes very little sense. Nothing known about JH indicates he would treat Michigan in that way. Also, the Niners might not care about a small decrease in trade value if it means getting any offers, NOW, from teams offering them anything, right?
|6 weeks 15 hours ago||What if SF leaked it? They||
What if SF leaked it? They want Harbaugh to take a NFL offer too.
|6 weeks 15 hours ago||No. SF could have leaked in||
No. SF could have leaked in desperate attempt to get trade value. Or, details could leak because now draft Contracts are putting these details before more eyes.
|6 weeks 17 hours ago||So, he rebuffed Michigan||
So, he rebuffed Michigan because he wouldn't leave while the Niners were in the hunt until last weekend? WHAT?
|6 weeks 17 hours ago||Is this guy saying Harbaugh||
Is this guy saying Harbaugh personally rebuffed Michigan earlier. I hope you guys on Twitter are making a point of how dumb that comment is in light of Michigan waiting for Harbaugh
|6 weeks 20 hours ago||Unfortunately||
I still occassionally check FlightAware to see if the block on tracking has expired. I figure it might automatically expire at some point.
I have problems.
|6 weeks 20 hours ago||Thanks||
This search was missing this rumor.....
It's a classic of ANY coach search.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Wish I could just delete this crap||
Wish I could just delete this crap
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Stop||
|6 weeks 2 days ago||I thought this fan….||
... was pretty dumb when I first watched this video. But, I could see it happening at Willow Run if Harbaugh is hired:
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Probably not. Vegas seems to||
Probably not. Vegas seems to make its own rules about what they think is fair or not that are design to keep the odds in their favor. For example, if someone is smart enough to count cards, why is that not allowed?
|6 weeks 4 days ago||I agree. MODS please cut these down.||
I agree. MODS please cut these down.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||That article on Harbaugh, Moeller and Bo||
Jim Harbaugh was Bo's third choice for a scholarship offer (in the pre-cap days). One guy chose Michigan State. The other guy chose Pitt. Michigan ended up with Harbaugh.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Soon||
|6 weeks 6 days ago||MODS: Delete this thread.||
MODS: Delete this thread. Many reasons, including I can click through to premium content on another site. That's a basic violation here.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Bad thread idea||
Bad thread idea
|6 weeks 6 days ago||If anything Michigan's recruits have been on par with OSU.||
If anything Michigan's recruits have been on par with OSU.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||He never said anything like||
He never said anything like that. You are just making things up. Is it possible? Maybe, but anything is possible if you want to start throwing out potential things that are not even close to being mentioned. I guess aversion to the color blue could be a factor as well. Maybe Michigan state income tax is a factor? Maybe the training table meals are too hearty for a health conscious coach. Maybe the lack of a loud home field advantage is a factor? I mean, what you are doing in looking into this comment is ridiculous. He gave his reason, fear of high expectations and Meyer in C-Bus. That's clearly on him and hypotheticals about other minor issues is irrelevant to the discussion.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Then how is Michigan getting||
Then how is Michigan getting in its own way? You have to be able to articulate what you are thinking.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||While questions can be raised||
While questions can be raised about most any fact, a discussion of the most rational reason for his comments leads to one conclusion: it's on this coach. He may be joking. But, if he is serious, this is a unique view not shared by high level coaches. Was Saban afraid of the expectations at Bama? How about Meyer at OSU? (Both coming off bad seasons). How about Sark at USC or Kelly at ND? I am sorry, but concern the job is too hard or your competition is too much is not something you want in your head football coach. Those guys should be brimming with confidence. I may not want that in my housekeeper or barista, but in the sports environment you are a dead man walking if you are fearful of failure.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||So you are saying this could||
So you are saying this could be a reflection of the potential candidate or of Michigan? Or a combo in some degree? But you have no idea or reason to know. The only "facts" are that the candidate is concerned about how good Meyer is AND the UM's has expectations to beat OSU. I think the first one is on the coach and not something that a worthy coach would say. The second one is on Michigan, but it doesn't seem like a flaw. Our standards are too high to expect a worthy coach? We need to have lower standards to get a better coach?
|6 weeks 6 days ago||What is your question?||
The "reasoning for [the coach's] concerns" are illuminating in what way? The OP says that the coach's concerns are based on competing with Meyer and the expectation to win a share of the games against him.
What does that have to do with "Michigan being Michigan's own problem"?
Are you saying our expcetations are too high, in that we expect to beat OSU more than once every five years? Michigan has a similar quality of player, support and facility. The main difference is the coaching. So, are you arguing we should LOWER expectations for our coaches in order to get a coach "worth having"?
That seems crazy.
I think the exact opposite, that coaches "worth having" by ANY school would not be afraid of a rival coach.
P.S. - I doubt any coach on w Plan B list at Michigan (i.e., quality coach) would say something like the OP recited unless it was tongue and cheek or taken out of context by the telephone game. No quality refuses a big promotion out of fear.
|7 weeks 20 hours ago||So....||
Does it look like Michigan has hired a PR firm to entice Harbaugh a little? Or maybe just an informal campaign of showing public support?
It is a good idea for all the high profile alums/former coaches/boosters to all come out and say they WANT Harbaugh. It kind of puts a little pressure on him without contacting him directly. Plus, it seems a bit dangerous. If everyone wants him, won't it undermine the next guy? Since there is a risk involved, I don't think UM would have gone on this campaign (if it is orchestrated) without a strong feeling that Harbaugh would be heading to Michigan.
|7 weeks 22 hours ago||That is one thing I don't||
That is one thing I don't think Hoke understood. It bothered me that he intitally said that "character wins in life and it wins on the football field." I think the second part of that is insanely inaccurate.
|7 weeks 23 hours ago||Yeah, non-Michigan types and||
Yeah, non-Michigan types and casual Michigan fans might see it as good. But, I think people who care more about the University (I.e. Alums and such) might see it as tarnishing one of the things that makes Michigan special, integrity.
|7 weeks 23 hours ago||I also think Miles is not a||
I also think Miles is not a good idea. It would be a desperation hire for a school like Michigan (I.e., proud of their character).
|7 weeks 1 day ago||More||
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah, these 60 year old men||
Yeah, these 60 year old men know only the last 5 years matter. We suck. Utah is a top job now.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||That's right. We have to||
That's right. We have to accept a moral loser! We have become a non-historic power with no money to spend on a coach. We barely have any top recruits, attention or resources to attract anyone really good. That seven years ago we got the top name who turned down Bama (RichRod) might as well have been a hundred years ago.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Narduzzi||
He seems to be a very good coordinator, who was great when Max Bullough was his "quarterback" on the field. On the other hand, Herman lost his ACTUAL quarterback, twice, and still did great. Overall, though, I hope it is neither.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||That's just incentives for one year.||
That's just incentives for one year.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||I am sure Hackett is||
I am sure Hackett is accustomed to that angle from hiring executives.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Impatience||
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Being there longer doesn't||
Being there longer doesn't mean he is better. Tom is a bit of a hack. Sam works harder and has better info to show for it. Tom should hang it up.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Maybe||
It is a smoke screen to pull Harbaugh out of Baltimore.
Maybe that person is JAY Harbaugh:
Is that how we do this?
|7 weeks 3 days ago||But how much will they try||
But how much will they try versus moving in a direction they want to head? Who is going to fall for their bluff?
|7 weeks 3 days ago||This all assumes SF wants to||
This all assumes SF wants to keep him. If they want him gone, which appears to be the case, then teams can't fight over Jim. It is all up to Jim. He can choose what he wants to do. The only time someone would have to pay SF for his rights would be if SF wanted him back. They aren't going to keep him on next year just because they don't get. High enough offer for him. It seems pretty clear they want something else.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Could be pride. If he goes||
Could be pride. If he goes to college though, there are a lot of reasons for hm to do it before the end of the season. In fact, if it is college and SF knows that, then they may want to get it over asap too. They can starting grooming a new HC or get prepare for the style of the new guy. Nobody wins from sitting around when there are no playoffs on the line and both parties clearly intend to go another direction. That is just wasting time starting in the new direction....
|7 weeks 3 days ago||What?||
If he gets fired, then SF may still owe him money. Right? But, there is nothing to "buy out." That money would go to him from SF. There is nothing for the new employer to negotiate. However, I don't know if SF is still required to pay that IF he accepts a new position.
If he resigns, he foregoes that contract money for next year, but SF is WAY happier b/c they don't have to pay it to him. I am not sure what numbers are involved, but I hear Michigan is willing to offer him a good salary that would probably make up for any money he lost from next year (over time).
Regardless, SF is not going to fire him. They will want to get something in a trade. None of those trade involve UM. UM could only pay SF to get them to fire him (or pay for JH's last year and allow him to resign). So, JH would really just be waiting to quit to force UM to pay him millions more..... would he do that? Wouldn't UM rather pay those millions NOW and just get him recruiting, rather than pay the same millions later after risking losing out on other candidates?
So, JH would have to resign at the end of the season anyway. Why not now?
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Resign? Why wouldn't Jim just||
Resign? Why wouldn't Jim just resign with SF? If he does not want to come back there and..IMPORTANTLY... he knows where he wants to be, then why wait? Once the team is eliminated from the playoffs (next week) and, presuming he has enough time to decide about the UM job, then wouldn't he just leave?
In fact, if he is still considering Michigan heavily and wants to hold out until he sees what kind of NFL offfers roll in, then that would make me concerned that he would always have one ear open to the NFL. I would understand that if he didn't have weeks to consider the Michigan job, but he has. At some point, he needs to decide what he wants to do.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Obviously this happens ALL||
Obviously this happens ALL THE TIME. It just feels more intense because it is your team and you are checking the news and reading rumors a lot. How closely did you follow Any other search? Fans are intense. The idea that the desire for Harbaugh to UM is unique is an extremely myopic view of the world.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||No||
|7 weeks 3 days ago||People don't need to stop anymore than you do.||
People don't need to stop anymore than you do.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Have you not seem all the||
Have you not seem all the other candidates circulated on the board.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Exactly.||
|7 weeks 4 days ago||He says Ross in behalf of||
He says Ross in behalf of Miami might be Oakland's biggest competition in getting Harbaugh. That just doesn't sound too informed of an opinion.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||It's obvious we care a lot||
It's obvious we care a lot more about the coaches than the recruiting. The new coach may not want him. He may not want the new coach. The thing is that Michigan will always recruit as well or better than MSU, Wisco, Iowa, etc. (except the bump Sparty got during RR - 2009). Chances are extremely good the new coaching staff (and the optimism they bring + Michigan's brand) will get him or someone as good as him. No sweat at all.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Usually money follow info though.||
Usually money follow info though.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Ha. I love what happened to||
Ha. I love what happened to this thread: Jim Harbaugh 2015 Coaching odds suspended after a stream of bets on Michigan moved them from 8-1 to 2-1 yesterday afternoon