"Jim's a tough guy and you can see his personality is all over this football team," Fitzgerald said.
|4 hours 55 min ago||I'm not an economist so I||
I'm not an economist so I don't have very sophisticated views on this. I don't think it's such a foreign or controversial idea that sometimes what's most economically efficient isn't always what's best from a moral perspective, though. That's not emotional mish mash. Minimum wage might be an example of what I mean.
|5 hours 29 min ago||It only always comes down to||
It only always comes down to economics if you accept that the market price is automatically where the price ought to be.
|6 hours 48 min ago||I think it's pretty clear she||
I think it's pretty clear she isn't making an economic argument. Many in this thread are just sort of shouting past her.
|7 hours 24 sec ago||Anything wrong with that? If||
Anything wrong with that?
If I were a University chancellor, I would be cool with a second-rate football program too.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||I really don't like Varsity,||
I really don't like Varsity, personally.
|39 weeks 5 days ago||6 or 7 wins.||
6 or 7 wins.
|47 weeks 2 hours ago||I don't know what he donates.||
I don't know what he donates. But if I ever become a billionaire I know for certain 0% of it is going to Michigan.
Edit: what I mean to say is that you make it sound like he should be donating to Michigan if he's not, and I don't agree.
|47 weeks 7 hours ago||Ha, no. I think the problem||
Ha, no. I think the problem was that I was just very unclear.
What I meant to say was something like "this argument works just as well for the conclusion that we should get rid of the music school, that conclusion is kind of untenable plus it's not good when your premises just as easily support two contradictory conclusions, therefore we have good reason to think we should reexamine the argument."
|47 weeks 7 hours ago||Sorry, I should clarify. I||
Sorry, I should clarify. I don't think we should do away with the music school. I think there are important differences between the music school and athletics that make Brian's argument weak, though. He glosses over these differences, and I was trying to illustrate that in a colorful way.
|47 weeks 8 hours ago||Alternatively, this makes a||
Alternatively, this could just as well be a case for why Michigan should abandon the music school.
Sure, different people have different skills. That doesn't mean a University ought to cater to all of them, though.
|47 weeks 2 days ago||I doubt this this thread will||
I doubt this this thread will last very long. But accusing others (who are expressing their genuinely held beliefs) of concern trolling is a favorite pass time of many established posters here. You would think the current state of the football program would put an end to the hostility toward anything that isn't eternal optimism and positivity, but for the most part it hasn't outside of a few approved topics.
|47 weeks 2 days ago||That's much less pay||
That's much less pay than I would have guessed. Not that I'm complaining, though.
|47 weeks 6 days ago||Don't fool yourself about the||
Don't fool yourself about the muggles thing. I knew plenty of athletes and they absolutely meant it in a derogatory way when they said it. Keep in mind that our athletes tend not to be the most sophisticated students on campus, so I doubt his point was as nuanced as you want it to be.
|48 weeks 6 days ago||This is a pretty common||
This is a pretty common sentiment among Michigan athletes.
|49 weeks 2 days ago||Huh. That's a lower average||
Huh. That's a lower average SAT score than I would have guessed.
|49 weeks 2 days ago||"The issues are that Beilein||
"The issues are that Beilein runs a relatively clean program, is focused on grades and character, and doesn't pursue many one and done types."
|49 weeks 6 days ago||MSU has the #1 ranked nuclear||
MSU has the #1 ranked nuclear physics program.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||Michigan is not||
Michigan is not "unquestionably a better school than MSU in just about every respect." That's silly to say.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||The point is it's||
The point is it's hypocritical in their eyes to criticize MSU academics (on the basis that they are "worse" than Michigan's) if you yourself went to a school that is "worse" than MSU.
|49 weeks 6 days ago||"Walmart Wolverine" developed||
"Walmart Wolverine" developed as a response to CMU grads (and the like) denigrating MSU academics on the basis of their Michigan fan allegiance. Or at least that's always been the explanation I've seen from MSU fans on the internet. If you're not the sort of person to belittle their education when you yourself did not attend Michigan, then you're not who they mean (according to MSU fans I've actually seen using the term).
|49 weeks 6 days ago||The athletic department and||
The athletic department and the University are not the same thing. WD is a devoted sports fan, and I don't question that. But it's different.
And it's a difference of kind, not degree.
|50 weeks 1 day ago||Tutors for athletes at||
Tutors for athletes at Michigan can be VERY helpful sometimes...
And Michigan definitely doesn't have courses that athletes know are an easy blow off grade, that would never happen.
|1 year 1 week ago||Ha, I meant you. It was||
Ha, I meant you. It was sarcasm. Was trying to be gender neutral with "they" and I don't like "he/she."
|1 year 1 week ago||I wonder what law school they||
I wonder what law school they went to.
|1 year 1 week ago||Their qualifications go well||
Their qualifications go well being just having a JD or MD. Read their bios, these are not random ambulance chasers picked off the street.
"But honestly your telling me if Brian was AD the last 5 years the department and football team wouldn't be in better shape?"
I believe the department would be worse off if Brian were AD, yes.
|1 year 1 week ago||"from a University||
"from a University perspective, wouldn't it be nice to have an "outsiders" point of view?"
|1 year 1 week ago||I have been called a troll on||
I have been called a troll on this blog before for predicting 7-5.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||I used to think that maybe I||
I used to think that maybe I got so annoyed when people complained about the student section because I was myself a student and felt like I was being attacked. Now that I've graduated I know that's not the case- complaints about the student section still annoy me, perhaps even more than they used to.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||Expect less. Undergrad is||
Expect less. Undergrad is really just not very much work for most people.
Edit: also, congratulations on the "first in my immediate family" thing.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Yessss. I feel so honored!||
Yessss. I feel so honored!
|1 year 8 weeks ago||If they hang on for years,||
If they hang on for years, perhaps they're just being genuine.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Hey guys! "You know what?||
"You know what? That was incredibly obvious and yet it still riled a bunch of people up. A+, nice work. "
|1 year 8 weeks ago||You know what? That was||
You know what? That was incredibly obvious and yet it still riled a bunch of people up. A+, nice work.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||These questions are so bad.||
These questions are so bad.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Michigan has a very||
Michigan has a very noticeable accent. It's true that General American English is located in the Midwest, but it doesn't cover the entire Midwest. It's found mostly in parts of Iowa and Nebraska, not Michigan.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Everyone? I bet most college||
Everyone? I bet most college students (even those that are basketball fans) can't name more than one or two members, if they even know who they were.
|1 year 28 weeks ago||We tend to drastically lower||
We tend to drastically lower our expectations for athletes here (on this blog). I don't know whether to attribute that to maize tinted glasses/ hero worship or to a wider tendency to lower standards for athletes in general. Either way it's not a trend I'm very fond of. There really wasn't anything remarkable about the content of this article. The writing was clunky and the message was a fairly standard one. Any yet (as you note) it made it to the Huffington Post.
I don't mean this as a criticism of Horford personally- plenty of people at this University have poor writing skills. I just mean to say that I find the reaction this is getting a bit out of place. We can and should expect better from what are supposed to be students at a well-respected institution (EDIT: better than we do, not necessarily better than this article).
|1 year 28 weeks ago||Writing is clear enough but||
Writing is clear enough but the style is unsophisticated and the central theme isn't particularly original or insightful. B-
|1 year 29 weeks ago||Trey Burke gets a higher||
Trey Burke gets a higher score than John Paul Stevens.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||No, it's because there's a||
No, it's because there's a segment of this fanbase that gets embarrassed when people act like children.
Juvenile crap like this makes it pretty clear we don't have a superior fanbase. I wouldn't have found this funny in middle school.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||Yeah, man. We know absolutely||
Yeah, man. We know absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||"Rape was not the proven||
"Rape was not the proven charge. In fact, the charges of rape were dropped. "
Except whether someone is charged isn't the measure of whether they actually committed the crime or not. There is good reason to believe Gibbons did what he is alleged to have done (at least the University thinks so), charged or not has little bearing on that.
"I'm not sure if you went to college"
Graduating from Michigan this May, thanks.
"It's not always as black-and-white as a big football player throwing a girl down and taking advantage of her."
No, you're right. Way more things than just that qualify as rape.
"You have no idea what happened"
I don't know to a certainty, no. But I'm not a judge, and standards for belief are not as rigid as certainty.
"Of course, you're not just ignorant, you're bigoted, since you are assuming someone is saying something just because this is the football team"
It's a pretty good guess, I think. Whether they admit it to themselves or not, the reason people (like you!) get so passionate about this is because they're football fans.
"I'm not... saying I don't think he should have been expelled"
Foote was, which is what this comment chain was discussing.
"I'm not going to call him a rapist unless he's been proven to have raped someone or I know he raped someone."
We're typically perfectly fine calling O.J. Simpson a murderer, though.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||"He was found to have||
"He was found to have committed sexual misconduct as per the university policies."
What do you think that means, exactly? In what way did he violate the policy? My guess is that you say you don't know since you weren't there, but at a certain point you're just shutting down discussion under the guise of something like due process (even though this isn't a courtroom) because you don't like to think about it. Again, the only reason we're playing dumb here is because the football team is involved.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||The University was more sure||
The University was more sure than not that Gibbons raped someone. It's silly to think the only standard the University should have is whether there were criminal charges or not. If he wasn't a football player this would be obvious to everyone, I think.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||I'm surprised the comments||
I'm surprised the comments here are focusing almost exclusively on his opinions on admissions.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||Larry Foote does not strike||
Larry Foote does not strike me as very bright, going by this article.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Clerk there made fun of me||
Clerk there made fun of me for buying milk on a Saturday night once.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||It feels like in every post I||
It feels like in every post I see from you you're (wrongly) accusing somone of being a troll.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Your username is fitting||
Your username is fitting considering your position.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||While I understand your||
While I understand your larger point about there being a difference between formal language and more relaxed language, "it begs the question" has a precise, technical meaning. Using it to mean "raises the question" is at best unclear (whereas my informal use of language was not).
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Bunch of savages in this||
Bunch of savages in this thread.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||The North Carolina state||
The North Carolina state constitution requires UNC's out of state proportion to be no higher than 18%. That's why it's so difficult to get in out-of-state. Michigan has no such policy. Your chances at Michigan are MUCH higher than they would be at UNC.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||3 Big Ten Championships 0||
3 Big Ten Championships
0 National titles
5 against OSU
7 against MSU
|1 year 36 weeks ago||There IS something ajar. They||
There IS something ajar. They still have yet to hire both a replacement OC and a replacement DC.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Amateurs.||
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Good.||
|1 year 36 weeks ago||WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. My||
My favorite topic on this board. Gift that keeps on giving.
I feel like, if my account ever gets banned, it will be in a fab five thread.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Never realized there was such||
Never realized there was such wisdom in nepotism.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Yep. Totally no connotation||
Yep. Totally no connotation about prior connection to the University at all. People in this thread are mentioning a completely unproven Mike Hart because he's a good man, not because he played here.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||I don't think basing a hiring||
I don't think basing a hiring decision on NOT having Michigan connections would make much sense. Just that a hiring decision that's blind to prior Michgian association should produce a non-Michigan Man hire from a numbers perspective.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||It's bullshitty, and I'm||
It's bullshitty, and I'm tired of it.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Please this. Actually would||
Please this. Actually would prefer it not be a "Michigan Man" so that ideology can die.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Want to catch redfish so||
Want to catch redfish so badly on a fly rod. Have the gear for it and everything. Only thing I'm lacking is a boat. Basically, I'm super jealous of you.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||How is that any different||
How is that any different from what we're being asked to do here?
|1 year 38 weeks ago||16 and 17 year old kids are||
16 and 17 year old kids are probably told a bunch of things during their recruitment. If they believe everything they hear, I probably don't want them representing my University.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Nuance? I didn't hear the||
Nuance? I didn't hear the original comment, but the meaning seems quite clear in the OP. I don't think the possibility of someone misinterpreting the comment makes it offensive, it just makes the people who misunderstand wrong. And irresponsible? It's talk radio (I think? Not familiar with these names), their responsibility is to entertain their (presumably MSU fan) listeners.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||That was not the implication.||
That was not the implication. At least that's not how I understood the comment as relayed here. The suggestion seems to instead be that that will be the excuse used by the AD to smooth over any PR issues.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Ok, how were they offensive||
Ok, how were they offensive and loathing?
|1 year 38 weeks ago||I think it's silly to||
I think it's silly to speculate about something like that, but how exactly does it qualify as "disgusting?"
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Uh, no. I did write for the||
Uh, no. I did write for the Daily for a semester and a half while he was there, though!
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Nesbitt's a former Managing||
Nesbitt's a former Managing Editor for the Michigan Daily sports section. His years covering Michigan football were in that capacity.
Just a little side info if anyone cares...
|1 year 39 weeks ago||I bet you a nickle it's||
I bet you a nickle it's greater at those schools because of their caliber, actually.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||You can't be a Michigan fan||
You can't be a Michigan fan unless you have unreasonable/ delusional expectations?
|1 year 39 weeks ago||Uhh... no. There are plenty||
Uhh... no. There are plenty of athletes here in non-revenue sports that don't care about the education at all. Sorry, only evidence I have to appeal to here is (extensive) personal experience.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||Stanford and NWestern do not||
Stanford and NWestern do not do that, no.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||But standards for students||
But standards for students vary greatly by school, I fail to see how it could be equal at all.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||We would not win many||
We would not win many football games, then.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||I will take you up on your||
I will take you up on your offer to have the last word, thanks!
A few things: the use of the word "should" that's relevant to this discussion is the one dealing with what one morally ought to do, not probability.
Second, the dictionary simply isn't the authority on what is and isn't reality, and it is absolutely not the authority on philosophical discourse.
Third, the links I threw at you were directly related to what we were talking about and from a highly credible source. No need to throw a hissy fit because your post wasn't as clever and decisive as you had hoped.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||It's not a matter of||
It's not a matter of agreement or not. It is controversial, which is a fact. I haven't given an opinion at all.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Um, you walk away because||
Um, you walk away because you're not a child on a playground and haven't been for a long time.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Well, actually, there is good||
Well, actually, there is good reason to believe that "should" IS grounded in reality. It's pretty controversial to say it isn't.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||"That implies that all MSU||
"That implies that all MSU fans attended"
It does not imply that, no.
"Some of the "we" actually attended Michigan, some 500,000 in fact."
This simply isn't relevant to what I wrote. It's also something I understand, given that I'm a current student.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||See, this thread raises an||
See, this thread raises an important question for me. Every time I've worn my 2011 student football shirt, we've won. Realizing this, I've decided to use it sparingly so as not to dilute its magic. I wore it for this year's OSU game, though. Does our unexpectedly good performance mean the magic's still there, or is the fact that we lost enough to mean it's gone?
|1 year 41 weeks ago||The status of non-alum fans||
The status of non-alum fans aside, Michigan is practically a private institution at this point by necessity. If ownership of the University were vested in tax payers, Michigan would be in a lot of trouble.
Also, the reason MSU fans feel a need to ask if Michigan fans went to Michigan is because we keep belittling their education, something that's super hypocritical if you went to GVSU (for example).
|1 year 41 weeks ago||"looks like a real woman||
"looks like a real woman "
Rolling my eyes so hard at you right now.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||This blog is going to be so||
This blog is going to be so insufferable about his freshman year. Either he gets significant playing time and people complain about the coaches when he doesn't live up to impossible expectations, or he doesn't and people complain about the coaches for not playing a true freshman more.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Oh jeez, those emails got||
Oh jeez, those emails got sent to spam for me. Thanks a bunch for the reminder.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||MSU is a team we will be||
MSU is a team we will be playing every year for the foreseeable future. The means that our offense will play their defense once a year. Given that this is the case, why is it unreasonable to discuss their defense?
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Penguin Pineapple is back!?||
Penguin Pineapple is back!? Yay!
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Huh. Weird to think about.||
Huh. Weird to think about. I'm graduating this year, and will be moving to a different state immediately after. Spring game brings to mind a future for Michigan football where I won't be able to attend for the first time in years.
Might not be the most coherent of questions, but... how does that go? I know I'll still be able to watch on television, but I won't feel near as connected to the program, I'm sure.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||That 30 for 30 was pretty||
That 30 for 30 was pretty interesting, if anyone watched it. That series is one of the few things ESPN does well.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||I don't think we were as good||
I don't think we were as good last year as the NCG run suggests. Certainly didn't look near as good in the regular season. Even so, the contributions of the 2 that didn't return can't be stressed enough.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||The point is that it isn't||
The point is that it isn't particularly clear that they ARE underachieving. I've received a lot of push back for this, but I'm not convinced that this team/ program is in the top tier of the conference yet.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Just a short time ago this||
Just a short time ago this would have been a blowout loss. It's like some of you are Michigan fans in a bubble, where the only context you have is last year's tournament.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Solid hire. Kind of sucks for||
Solid hire. Kind of sucks for Ark State that they can't keep a coach for longer than a year, though.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Yeah? Well you sucks!||
Yeah? Well you sucks!
|1 year 43 weeks ago||I know it doesn't sound like||
I know it doesn't sound like it to people from Michigan, but it does sound A LOT like 'black' to me when you say 'block.' Not exactly, but very close. It's like when Canadians insist that none of them say aboot (I think it sounds more like a-boat, but whatever) when they clearly do.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||It's all varying degrees of||
It's all varying degrees of Rick Snyder's accent. His is the best example I can think of.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Nope. Not even from that||
Nope. Not even from that region.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Michigan is a pretty good||
Michigan is a pretty good school with a strong football tradition, but the cult that surrounds us with things like "this is Michigan!" and "Harvard of the West" is way over the top.
The state of Michigan kind of sucks. Lots of outdoor activities to be had, but my ability to utilize those are limited because Ann Arbor's lack of parking means I can't have a car.
Michiganders DO have an accent that differs from Standard American and it fucking grates at my sanity.
I have a billion of these.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||What if I told you I knew who||
What if I told you I knew who did it and that they're Michigan students? Because both of those are true.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Wait, when did Michigan hire||
Wait, when did Michigan hire Tressel?
|1 year 43 weeks ago||There is an elitist narrative||
There is an elitist narrative in many Michigan football circles, my guess is that's where it stems from. Violence against opposing fans isn't something Michigan's innocent of, though, the narrative is irrelevant.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Sure, those sort of behaviors||
Sure, those sort of behaviors are unfortunate. But realize that they're only ever exhibited toward opposing fans. Michigan fans could be worse with the sort of behavior you describe for all you know, but you never would know because you're a Michigan fan.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Huh. I have OSU fans in the||
Huh. I have OSU fans in the family, but they havn't done any of those things yet. Thanks for the warning, I'll have to make sure to watch out.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||"Unnacceptable" is the wrong||
"Unacceptable" is the wrong word, but I'd hope we're bowl eligible.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||What makes a fanbase||
What makes a fanbase obnoxious? Obviously the fanbases in question are pretty large, so it'd be pretty ridiculous to think there isn't significant diversity within each. Necessarily then, when you try to characterize fanbases, you're only commenting on certain segments within it. Well, what sort of qualities must this segment have for the fanbase as a whole to rightfully be called "obnoxious?" How large must this segment be?
Answer all these questions, and then ask if your answers don't also apply to our fanbase. If your answer to this question is no, then I would suggest you're either willfully blind to that segment because you want to feel superior, or you're part of it.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||That represents a ton of||
That represents a ton of redneck Michigan fans, then. If your argument is that OSU's fanbase is obnoxious, and that it is obnoxious because it has a ton of rednecks, don't you also have to concede that we have good reason to think our fanbase is probably obnoxious too?
|1 year 43 weeks ago||I'll try to approach the||
I'll try to approach the question a different way. Who do you think all the toothless rednecks in the state of Michigan are fans of?
|1 year 43 weeks ago||When OSU has non affiliated||
When OSU has non affiliated fans they're "toothless rednecks." When people try to say the same thing about our fanbase ("Walmart Wolverines"), we jump down their throats (on this blog at least). What the hell is the difference, though?
|1 year 43 weeks ago||As much as I've thoroughly||
As much as I've thoroughly enjoyed going to hockey games the past few years, this right here has always been my main issue with college hockey. It isn't televised like football or basketball, so how are you able to get a firm grasp on how good Michigan is vs. the rest of the country until late into the season? Look at stat sheets?
I've always kind of felt lost following Michigan hockey, or like I'm experiencing it in a bubble.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||I can think of several||
I can think of several reasons to not want to be singled out like that.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||The truth is just too much||
The truth is just too much for some people to bear, it seems.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Uh, if mods delete this||
Uh, if mods delete this thread I will be extremely disappointed. This is exactly the sort of hard hitting issue this blog should make its business to investigate.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Excellent.||
Excellent. Perfectly executed.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||You seem to be missing the||
You seem to be missing the point. Yes, they are pushed in certain directions. I know that happens at Michigan all the time, even in non revenue sports. They don't take your scholarship away if you fail to comply, though. You get benched. Again, it's a trade off. They want to play though, so they decide it's in their best interest to take the easier major. Who cares if you disagree with them on that point?
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Yep, that's exactly how I'm||
Yep, that's exactly how I'm sure it goes. Word for word. So, uh.... explain how we've had engineers and business majors on the team before? How we've had athletes do pre med? The strongest argument you can make is that they're pushed in one direction or another and that they might lose playing time if they don't submit. But that's a reasonable trade off, I think.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Tried to drag his arms down.||
Tried to drag his arms down. Eventually trapped them in a bear hug going up the tunnel.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Les Miles just lost his||
Les Miles just lost his appetite.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||I feel the same way about the||
I feel the same way about the Midwest.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Well, I'm a student and I||
Well, I'm a student and I don't like it. We're a pretty big group, actually. Probably a safe bet that there's some diversity of opinion.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||What an interesting and||
What an interesting and unique perspective on the student section you have ben of providing with us presently. Needed to create you a bit of observation to be able to thank you so much yet again for your gorgeous thoughts you have documented at this time.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Kind of have to believe||
Kind of have to believe that's a lifetime achievement pick. Pretty lame.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Y'all're right. Deliverance||
Y'all're right. Deliverance is basically a documentary of my daily life. Clearly inferior to the midwest. Guess y'all're just more evolved than we are. Yep. Don't mind my hick self, just gonna go throw in some chewin' tobaccah and then impregnate my cousin.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||No, the ACC was accounted||
No, the ACC was accounted for.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||He threw one today, actually.||
He threw one today, actually.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||See? This is what I mean.||
See? This is what I mean. Bando is one of the few worthwhile posters here, as far as I'm concerned.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||But is that really what||
But is that really what Brian's advocating here? He's the one being accused of gratuitous negativity.
"If you are surprised that I am emotional and moody at this point you are too stupid to care about."
|1 year 44 weeks ago||It's funny, whenever the||
It's funny, whenever the decline of this blog's community is brought up, everyone seems to have someone else in mind for what kind of poster is to blame.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||That's what you get for||
That's what you get for having such a creepy avatar picture.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||So many people on this blog||
So many people on this blog just flat out refuse to acknowledge MSU as anything more than a MAC caliber team outside of the week after we lose to them.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||I have been watching other||
I have been watching other conferences. I would say we're around PAC 12 level.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Your definition of nationally||
Your definition of nationally relevant must be so narrow that only about 4 teams fit it at the moment. How many Big Teams can you expect at once, then?
|1 year 45 weeks ago||I was not, no.||
I was not, no.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||The conference is actually||
The conference is actually pretty strong. I think the bigger problem is that it's boring.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Would you say you...||
Would you say you... appreciate him?
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Kind of masturbatory, isn't||
Kind of masturbatory, isn't it?
|1 year 46 weeks ago||I've lost track of how many||
I've lost track of how many times this particular horse has been beat. I'm just really impressed with your ability to battle it out on this topic every single time it comes up. I got worn out several threads ago.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Hey, thanks man. I really||
Hey, thanks man. I really appreciate the support.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Are we really that upset||
Are we really that upset about the "Fuck McGary" chant? What, you think it hurt his feelings? I'm sure he'll recover.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||I really think some of y'all||
I really think some of y'all are counting chickens waaay before they hatch with our basketball program. Almost everyone seems to disagree with me on that, but I really do think we're getting ahead of ourselves with the "national power" talk.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||One way of interpreting your||
One way of interpreting your post is as a continuance of the dialogue that SC initiated with his diary. I might be mistaken, but I think that's sort of what you had in mind.
Another way to interpret it is you getting really defensive and throwing a fit because you got challenged by someone on your blog. I suspect a lot of people will end up seeing it this way because you mention the guy by name throughout, and especially because of your writing style.
When this post gets a really negative reaction, it will be because people interpreted your tone differently from what I suspect you intended.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Because ultimately, having||
Because ultimately, having watched the team last season, I feel like the tournament run was probably an anomaly. Was the team pretty good? Absolutely. Probably not as good as those three teams, though. I view our program as roughly in line with where Wisconsin has been recently. I think it takes more than one really good tournament run.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Well, if we're talking about||
Well, if we're talking about the Big Ten then I'd have MSU and OSU ahead of us.
Edit: also Indiana. Oops.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||The team made it to the final||
The team made it to the final four. Great, really cool. If I'm a high school recruit right now though, I still don't view Michigan as an elite option.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Come on, let's be fair now.||
Come on, let's be fair now. Many of our run plays get blown up so fast it's difficult to tell what direction they were intended to go.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||It's a little bit off putting||
It's a little bit off putting when people qualify their opinions with things like "maybe it's just because I'm too old," or something of that nature. Not only does it make it easier for people to discard your opinion, it makes me feel marginalized as a 20 year old who more often than not agrees (with the old guy sentiment). Like there's something anomalous about me, when I don't think there is.
Piped in music makes things feel sterile, pre packaged, like I'm at an NFL game. I don't think disagreement about that is generational at all.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Fucking shut down this entire||
Fucking shut down this entire blog. Just nuke this shit.
|1 year 48 weeks ago||He was talking about his own||
He was talking about his own team. Did you hear his comments post game? He absolutely meant his own team.
|1 year 48 weeks ago||I don't know man. I'm from||
I don't know man. I'm from the South, and I can pretty much confirm that every time we play an SEC team it's all I can do to stop myself from putting on some jorts and letting out a rebel yell or two. My family was NOT pleased when I CLANGA CLANGA'D all through the 2011 Gator Bowl.
|1 year 48 weeks ago||While you might have a||
While you might have a legitimate point that I probably agree with, it's kind of lame to make it right after a loss to a rival.
|1 year 51 weeks ago||I'd be ok with this entire||
I'd be ok with this entire blog just being devoted to content like this from now on.
|1 year 52 weeks ago||Good. I also hope someone||
Good. I also hope someone builds a bigger stadium than ours.
|2 years 2 days ago||Apparently our power plays||
Apparently our power plays are now "powered by Toyota." Prius jokes aside, that's unforgivable. Like we're a minor league baseball team.
|2 years 6 days ago||Unless you honestly think Penn||
Unless you honestly think Penn State is a better school than Brown, or that MSU is a better school than Vanderbilt, this list is terrible and should be disregarded.
|2 years 1 week ago||Wish that I was on ole Rocky||
Wish that I was on ole Rocky Top...
|2 years 1 week ago||You make me uncomfortable,||
You make me uncomfortable, because you remind me of my attitude towards women when I was in middle school. Stop reminding me of that.
|2 years 1 week ago||Edit: please ignore me.||
Edit: please ignore me.
|2 years 1 week ago||Your record book? Since you||
Your record book? Since you copy pasted it, and based off another of your comments in this thread, I'm guessing you mean that you compiled?
Your username is no lie.
|2 years 1 week ago||I don't understand the||
I don't understand the motivation behind leaving off Penn State if the purpose of this thread is to review how bye weeks affect team performance.
|2 years 1 week ago||I feel like all I do on this||
I feel like all I do on this blog is complain about/at other people. That probably isn't a good use of my time. I should try to stop doing that.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||College football is for the||
College football is for the football players? What? Are movies for the actors that perform in them?
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Nope. Student section. Stand||
Nope. Student section. Stand all game. Nice try, though.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Wait, let me get this||
Wait, let me get this straight. People are generally bad at assessing how busy they are (tending to overestimate). So our perceptions about how busy we are are unreliable. Therefore, we should rely on the perceptions of older-us about how busy they are ? What makes older-us better at assessing how busy they are? Perhaps hindsight makes us better evaluators, but only about things in the past! So of course you'd think you were busier in the present compared to the past.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Bahahahaha, you're||
Bahahahaha, you're ridiculous.
Wait a second, the football team represents North Carolina? I didn't know this! Somone notify McCrory! This changes everything!
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Um, I have shown up the past||
Um, I have shown up the past few years, thanks.
Also, you have completely missed the point. To an embarrassing extent.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||"For me, no matter how much I||
"For me, no matter how much I disagree with the AD, it's all about cheering for the team."
So this is an interesting thought that I think might get at the heart of some disagreement. Do you go to football games to cheer the team, or because you want to be entertained watching a football game? For me it's 100% the latter, which is why I don't really feel bad about people missing games.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||I agree. Let's stop||
I agree. Let's stop subsidizing these inferior in-state-students so the school can finally reach its potential.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Ok, what's especially wrong||
Ok, what's especially wrong about it? Consumers shouldn't get to decide how they use what they purchase?
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Looking at his comment, I||
Looking at his comment, I don't read it that way at all.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||I do not feel embarrased||
I do not feel embarrassed about that. It's their decision. Obviously I don't agree because I made a different decision, but that's a separate issue. I don't see why I'd ever be embarrassed about that.
So you're saying that now that things are more expensive for you, you're going to act super bitter towards people who are now enjoying what you once did?
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Uhhh.... he's an AD employee?||
Uhhh.... he's an AD employee? I remain skeptical.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||I honestly don't think it's||
I honestly don't think it's that bad either, I mostly don't like the rhetoric here.
Do you really think these measures are because the AD is worried about homefield advantage, or because they want to maintain appearances?
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Please don't comment on the||
Please don't comment on the students unless you know what you're talking about. From your posts, it doesn't sound like you do.
Also, why did you feel the need to clarify that you graduated college? Especially the bit about "could have gone to Michigan?"
|2 years 2 weeks ago||At least from my perspective||
At least from my perspective as a current student, because it comes off as really hostile. It's like the University and its students are viewed as a burden to the AD, who'd much rather operate as an independent corporate entity. When you say things that basically amount to "the AD is doing you a favor by giving you lower prices, stop complaining," I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to view myself in relation to our athletic programs. Is the AD there for its own sake or for the University?
|2 years 2 weeks ago||That seems perfectly||
That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Tickets are expensive, not sure why you'd buy them if you're not going to use them. That's their decision though, and I'm not understanding how we jump from "some students are making poor decisions" to "it's our job to decide what students do with what they've paid for." That's seriously demeaning to me at least, and I'm showing up.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||I'm not questioning your||
I'm not questioning your loyalty, but your apparent disdain for the students. I have no idea where you're getting the idea that the student body is full of spoiled trust fund kids. That hasn't been what I've seen here at all.
Also, please don't conflate loyalty to the athletic program and loyalty to the school.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||It's like some people here||
It's like some people here would be perfectly happy if only there wasn't some pesky University interfering with their favorite semi-pro football team.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Ok... I know this question is||
Ok... I know this question is usually frowned upon here, but... did you actually go to Michigan?
|2 years 2 weeks ago||And that's why we'll never be||
And that's why we'll never be able to have a reasonable discussion about this.
"Excuses" implies that students have done something wrong they need to account for. I just disagree with that. I'm not one of your high school students, and I don't need to answer to you. I enjoy going to Football and Hockey games, so I go to them. I really don't feel obligated to go to them though.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Do you use this reasoning for||
Do you use this reasoning for everything you consume?
Even if I grant what you're saying, that still doesn't justify the level of vitriol this topic inspires in some people. So at most I'll grant that there's a week 'should' involved, but not anywhere near strong enough to warrant words like "disgusting" and "disgraceful."
|2 years 2 weeks ago||"Students who actually show||
"Students who actually show up have nothing to fear. The "I bought season tickets just to see MSU" crowd, well, they're out of luck."
You're completely missing the point. If that behavior wasn't ok, they should have been warned beforehand. If you don't make the conditions explicit from the beginning, you shouldn't get to dictate how people use what they paid for.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||No, it isn't. But that's not||
No, it isn't. But that's not exactly all that's involved.
For example, I'm not in a frat, but I'd imagine it could get difficult dealing with gameday logistics under GA for big groups like that.
For an example that does apply to me, instead of arriving an hour early like I did every year prior to this, I now have to play roulette with a few thousand other students in order to get into my preferred spot in section 26 or 27, row 50-70 or so.
I'm not about to write some overly dramatic manifesto like the linked guy did, but it does seem a bit unnecessary to me.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Hey. Keep in mind that "at||
Hey. Keep in mind that "at least one hour before kickoff" would be late for ND (and I'm anticipating for Neb and OSU) this year depending on what seats you're expecting/ wanting.
"Where is the damn effort."
Just curious, why do you think attending a recreational event should require effort?
|2 years 2 weeks ago||I read the title of the||
I read the title of the article and then no more, a bit dramatic for my tastes. Here's my take though which I've posted here once before: I will NEVER understand those of you that think going to a football/ basketball game is some kind of moral imperative. Actively deceiving consumers is something that I think is clearly wrong, though.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||I understand what you're||
I understand what you're trying to get at, but what you've actually identified is that the original argument (if Q then P) is inadequate. Notice that the comparison is NOT D1 football players to 1Ls/ med students. It's one instance of not allowing people to earn money and another instance of not allowing people to make money. They might only be analogous insofar as they're not allowed to make money, but that's as far as they need to be (since if not-P and Q, then it's not the case that if Q then P).
That there are a bunch of disanalogies between 1Ls and what we want to say about football players is certainly relevant if you want to extrapolate from WolvinLA2's response that we therefore don't have ANY reason to pay football players, but I don't think anyone's trying to do that.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||So, basically what you've||
So, basically what you've done is make clear that you're not really interested in having a reasonable discussion about this.
First poster: If Q, then P.
Second: But here is an instance of Q but not-P!
You: Oh yeah? 7!
|2 years 2 weeks ago||But they get free food and||
But they get free food and water. Plus a bunch of other free stuff.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Point taken. I guess what||
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that they get a great deal as it is. If the argument is that they're not being adequately compensated then it makes sense to figure out what they ARE being compensated. At that point I think the argument falls through. I obviously don't expect it to convince anyone who disagrees, but it'd be nice to have a ball park.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Before we can even begin to||
Before we can even begin to have the paying players conversation in a meaningful way, we need to know how much per year a football player gets when you add up out of state tuition, food, academic help, access to facilities, stipends, rent money, free clothing, etc.
Is there a good place to find this information?
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Woah... in Ann Arbor? What on||
Woah... in Ann Arbor? What on earth was your rent? What year was this?
|2 years 2 weeks ago||I have no problems with||
I have no problems with constructive criticism, I do have personal trouble with things like encouragement, compliments, things like that.
Also, I recognize that my reaction isn't a good one. I'm not saying that others should have that reaction. I'm not saying that that's what Manziel intended. I'm not saying that's the reaction I want to have.
I made a stupid comment on the internet about my personal, unhealthy reaction.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||My comment had absolutely||
My comment had absolutely nothing to do with it being Manziel, I have nothing against him. I also wouldn't have sent that reply, and would have known intellectually that he was just trying to be nice.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||I think he was absolutely||
I think he was absolutely just trying to be nice. I wasn't commenting on his actual motives.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Woah, that got a lot of||
Woah, that got a lot of responses! I have nothing against Manziel. Honestly I think most college athletes are like him, he's just been really bad about hiding it from the press (who have turned it into an unfair narrative).
I didn't mean to suggest that I think that's how Manziel's text should be received, or how Gardner should have reacted. I just mean that's how I would have felt about it personally (which I acknowledged is much different from how most people would have felt about it, probably to their benefit).
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Not usually, no.||
Not usually, no.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||I know (suspect?) that most||
I know (suspect?) that most people aren't like this, but I'd be a little upset if I were in Gardner's position and received that text.
I know I did poorly, I don't need you to affirm that for me in a text that carries that implicit suggestion. Also, who the hell are you to be handing out advice? GTFO with your patronizing bullshit.
|2 years 3 weeks ago||I will never understand some||
I will never understand some of y'all that think going to a football game is some moral imperative.
|2 years 3 weeks ago||There are recruiting visits||
There are recruiting visits for certain teams where the recruit stays overnight with a current player as host. Those visits are..... well let's just say that at Michigan at least for some teams, those visits get a bit wild. At least from what I've witnessed personally. And I have a reasonably large sample size.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Hour and a half early. Really||
Hour and a half early. Really fast getting into the stadium (scanning tickets), but going from there to your seat required wading through an enormous log jam that I had never experienced before at Michigan Stadium. Difficult to tell where the line for one section ended and another began, so much line cutting that the lines past a certain point weren't moving. Not really sure (again, because tough to tell where the lines were), but I think I probably cut about half of the line to get into section 27. Ended up just about as high up as possible, but all I care about is getting into section 26 or 27 (so I was happy). Took a LONG time to clear room for emergency vehicles because of the crowd in the way, feel like that was kind of dangerous.