...says Denzel Valentine of Big Ten Tourney favorite MSU, which is 5-7 in its last 12 games. Cumong, man.
|4 hours 11 min ago||No, it's because there's a||
No, it's because there's a segment of this fanbase that gets embarrassed when people act like children.
Juvenile crap like this makes it pretty clear we don't have a superior fanbase. I wouldn't have found this funny in middle school.
|5 weeks 21 hours ago||Yeah, man. We know absolutely||
Yeah, man. We know absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.
|5 weeks 21 hours ago||"Rape was not the proven||
"Rape was not the proven charge. In fact, the charges of rape were dropped. "
Except whether someone is charged isn't the measure of whether they actually committed the crime or not. There is good reason to believe Gibbons did what he is alleged to have done (at least the University thinks so), charged or not has little bearing on that.
"I'm not sure if you went to college"
Graduating from Michigan this May, thanks.
"It's not always as black-and-white as a big football player throwing a girl down and taking advantage of her."
No, you're right. Way more things than just that qualify as rape.
"You have no idea what happened"
I don't know to a certainty, no. But I'm not a judge, and standards for belief are not as rigid as certainty.
"Of course, you're not just ignorant, you're bigoted, since you are assuming someone is saying something just because this is the football team"
It's a pretty good guess, I think. Whether they admit it to themselves or not, the reason people (like you!) get so passionate about this is because they're football fans.
"I'm not... saying I don't think he should have been expelled"
Foote was, which is what this comment chain was discussing.
"I'm not going to call him a rapist unless he's been proven to have raped someone or I know he raped someone."
We're typically perfectly fine calling O.J. Simpson a murderer, though.
|5 weeks 22 hours ago||"He was found to have||
"He was found to have committed sexual misconduct as per the university policies."
What do you think that means, exactly? In what way did he violate the policy? My guess is that you say you don't know since you weren't there, but at a certain point you're just shutting down discussion under the guise of something like due process (even though this isn't a courtroom) because you don't like to think about it. Again, the only reason we're playing dumb here is because the football team is involved.
|5 weeks 23 hours ago||The University was more sure||
The University was more sure than not that Gibbons raped someone. It's silly to think the only standard the University should have is whether there were criminal charges or not. If he wasn't a football player this would be obvious to everyone, I think.
|5 weeks 23 hours ago||I'm surprised the comments||
I'm surprised the comments here are focusing almost exclusively on his opinions on admissions.
|5 weeks 23 hours ago||Larry Foote does not strike||
Larry Foote does not strike me as very bright, going by this article.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Clerk there made fun of me||
Clerk there made fun of me for buying milk on a Saturday night once.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||It feels like in every post I||
It feels like in every post I see from you you're (wrongly) accusing somone of being a troll.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Your username is fitting||
Your username is fitting considering your position.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||While I understand your||
While I understand your larger point about there being a difference between formal language and more relaxed language, "it begs the question" has a precise, technical meaning. Using it to mean "raises the question" is at best unclear (whereas my informal use of language was not).
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Bunch of savages in this||
Bunch of savages in this thread.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||The North Carolina state||
The North Carolina state constitution requires UNC's out of state proportion to be no higher than 18%. That's why it's so difficult to get in out-of-state. Michigan has no such policy. Your chances at Michigan are MUCH higher than they would be at UNC.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||3 Big Ten Championships 0||
3 Big Ten Championships
0 National titles
5 against OSU
7 against MSU
|6 weeks 5 days ago||There IS something ajar. They||
There IS something ajar. They still have yet to hire both a replacement OC and a replacement DC.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Amateurs.||
|7 weeks 19 hours ago||Good.||
|7 weeks 21 hours ago||WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. My||
My favorite topic on this board. Gift that keeps on giving.
I feel like, if my account ever gets banned, it will be in a fab five thread.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Never realized there was such||
Never realized there was such wisdom in nepotism.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Yep. Totally no connotation||
Yep. Totally no connotation about prior connection to the University at all. People in this thread are mentioning a completely unproven Mike Hart because he's a good man, not because he played here.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||I don't think basing a hiring||
I don't think basing a hiring decision on NOT having Michigan connections would make much sense. Just that a hiring decision that's blind to prior Michgian association should produce a non-Michigan Man hire from a numbers perspective.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||It's bullshitty, and I'm||
It's bullshitty, and I'm tired of it.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Please this. Actually would||
Please this. Actually would prefer it not be a "Michigan Man" so that ideology can die.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Want to catch redfish so||
Want to catch redfish so badly on a fly rod. Have the gear for it and everything. Only thing I'm lacking is a boat. Basically, I'm super jealous of you.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||How is that any different||
How is that any different from what we're being asked to do here?
|9 weeks 12 hours ago||16 and 17 year old kids are||
16 and 17 year old kids are probably told a bunch of things during their recruitment. If they believe everything they hear, I probably don't want them representing my University.
|9 weeks 16 hours ago||Nuance? I didn't hear the||
Nuance? I didn't hear the original comment, but the meaning seems quite clear in the OP. I don't think the possibility of someone misinterpreting the comment makes it offensive, it just makes the people who misunderstand wrong. And irresponsible? It's talk radio (I think? Not familiar with these names), their responsibility is to entertain their (presumably MSU fan) listeners.
|9 weeks 16 hours ago||That was not the implication.||
That was not the implication. At least that's not how I understood the comment as relayed here. The suggestion seems to instead be that that will be the excuse used by the AD to smooth over any PR issues.
|9 weeks 17 hours ago||Ok, how were they offensive||
Ok, how were they offensive and loathing?
|9 weeks 17 hours ago||I think it's silly to||
I think it's silly to speculate about something like that, but how exactly does it qualify as "disgusting?"
|9 weeks 1 day ago||Uh, no. I did write for the||
Uh, no. I did write for the Daily for a semester and a half while he was there, though!
|9 weeks 1 day ago||Nesbitt's a former Managing||
Nesbitt's a former Managing Editor for the Michigan Daily sports section. His years covering Michigan football were in that capacity.
Just a little side info if anyone cares...
|9 weeks 3 days ago||I bet you a nickle it's||
I bet you a nickle it's greater at those schools because of their caliber, actually.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||You can't be a Michigan fan||
You can't be a Michigan fan unless you have unreasonable/ delusional expectations?
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Uhh... no. There are plenty||
Uhh... no. There are plenty of athletes here in non-revenue sports that don't care about the education at all. Sorry, only evidence I have to appeal to here is (extensive) personal experience.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Stanford and NWestern do not||
Stanford and NWestern do not do that, no.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||But standards for students||
But standards for students vary greatly by school, I fail to see how it could be equal at all.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||We would not win many||
We would not win many football games, then.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||I will take you up on your||
I will take you up on your offer to have the last word, thanks!
A few things: the use of the word "should" that's relevant to this discussion is the one dealing with what one morally ought to do, not probability.
Second, the dictionary simply isn't the authority on what is and isn't reality, and it is absolutely not the authority on philosophical discourse.
Third, the links I threw at you were directly related to what we were talking about and from a highly credible source. No need to throw a hissy fit because your post wasn't as clever and decisive as you had hoped.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||It's not a matter of||
It's not a matter of agreement or not. It is controversial, which is a fact. I haven't given an opinion at all.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Um, you walk away because||
Um, you walk away because you're not a child on a playground and haven't been for a long time.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Well, actually, there is good||
Well, actually, there is good reason to believe that "should" IS grounded in reality. It's pretty controversial to say it isn't.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||"That implies that all MSU||
"That implies that all MSU fans attended"
It does not imply that, no.
"Some of the "we" actually attended Michigan, some 500,000 in fact."
This simply isn't relevant to what I wrote. It's also something I understand, given that I'm a current student.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||See, this thread raises an||
See, this thread raises an important question for me. Every time I've worn my 2011 student football shirt, we've won. Realizing this, I've decided to use it sparingly so as not to dilute its magic. I wore it for this year's OSU game, though. Does our unexpectedly good performance mean the magic's still there, or is the fact that we lost enough to mean it's gone?
|11 weeks 6 days ago||The status of non-alum fans||
The status of non-alum fans aside, Michigan is practically a private institution at this point by necessity. If ownership of the University were vested in tax payers, Michigan would be in a lot of trouble.
Also, the reason MSU fans feel a need to ask if Michigan fans went to Michigan is because we keep belittling their education, something that's super hypocritical if you went to GVSU (for example).
|12 weeks 19 hours ago||"looks like a real woman||
"looks like a real woman "
Rolling my eyes so hard at you right now.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||This blog is going to be so||
This blog is going to be so insufferable about his freshman year. Either he gets significant playing time and people complain about the coaches when he doesn't live up to impossible expectations, or he doesn't and people complain about the coaches for not playing a true freshman more.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Oh jeez, those emails got||
Oh jeez, those emails got sent to spam for me. Thanks a bunch for the reminder.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||MSU is a team we will be||
MSU is a team we will be playing every year for the foreseeable future. The means that our offense will play their defense once a year. Given that this is the case, why is it unreasonable to discuss their defense?
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Penguin Pineapple is back!?||
Penguin Pineapple is back!? Yay!
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Huh. Weird to think about.||
Huh. Weird to think about. I'm graduating this year, and will be moving to a different state immediately after. Spring game brings to mind a future for Michigan football where I won't be able to attend for the first time in years.
Might not be the most coherent of questions, but... how does that go? I know I'll still be able to watch on television, but I won't feel near as connected to the program, I'm sure.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||That 30 for 30 was pretty||
That 30 for 30 was pretty interesting, if anyone watched it. That series is one of the few things ESPN does well.
|13 weeks 29 min ago||I don't think we were as good||
I don't think we were as good last year as the NCG run suggests. Certainly didn't look near as good in the regular season. Even so, the contributions of the 2 that didn't return can't be stressed enough.
|13 weeks 43 min ago||The point is that it isn't||
The point is that it isn't particularly clear that they ARE underachieving. I've received a lot of push back for this, but I'm not convinced that this team/ program is in the top tier of the conference yet.
|13 weeks 59 min ago||Just a short time ago this||
Just a short time ago this would have been a blowout loss. It's like some of you are Michigan fans in a bubble, where the only context you have is last year's tournament.
|13 weeks 2 days ago||Solid hire. Kind of sucks for||
Solid hire. Kind of sucks for Ark State that they can't keep a coach for longer than a year, though.
|13 weeks 2 days ago||Yeah? Well you sucks!||
Yeah? Well you sucks!
|13 weeks 2 days ago||I know it doesn't sound like||
I know it doesn't sound like it to people from Michigan, but it does sound A LOT like 'black' to me when you say 'block.' Not exactly, but very close. It's like when Canadians insist that none of them say aboot (I think it sounds more like a-boat, but whatever) when they clearly do.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||It's all varying degrees of||
It's all varying degrees of Rick Snyder's accent. His is the best example I can think of.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||Nope. Not even from that||
Nope. Not even from that region.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||Michigan is a pretty good||
Michigan is a pretty good school with a strong football tradition, but the cult that surrounds us with things like "this is Michigan!" and "Harvard of the West" is way over the top.
The state of Michigan kind of sucks. Lots of outdoor activities to be had, but my ability to utilize those are limited because Ann Arbor's lack of parking means I can't have a car.
Michiganders DO have an accent that differs from Standard American and it fucking grates at my sanity.
I have a billion of these.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||What if I told you I knew who||
What if I told you I knew who did it and that they're Michigan students? Because both of those are true.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Wait, when did Michigan hire||
Wait, when did Michigan hire Tressel?
|13 weeks 6 days ago||There is an elitist narrative||
There is an elitist narrative in many Michigan football circles, my guess is that's where it stems from. Violence against opposing fans isn't something Michigan's innocent of, though, the narrative is irrelevant.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Sure, those sort of behaviors||
Sure, those sort of behaviors are unfortunate. But realize that they're only ever exhibited toward opposing fans. Michigan fans could be worse with the sort of behavior you describe for all you know, but you never would know because you're a Michigan fan.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Huh. I have OSU fans in the||
Huh. I have OSU fans in the family, but they havn't done any of those things yet. Thanks for the warning, I'll have to make sure to watch out.
|14 weeks 1 min ago||"Unnacceptable" is the wrong||
"Unacceptable" is the wrong word, but I'd hope we're bowl eligible.
|14 weeks 5 min ago||What makes a fanbase||
What makes a fanbase obnoxious? Obviously the fanbases in question are pretty large, so it'd be pretty ridiculous to think there isn't significant diversity within each. Necessarily then, when you try to characterize fanbases, you're only commenting on certain segments within it. Well, what sort of qualities must this segment have for the fanbase as a whole to rightfully be called "obnoxious?" How large must this segment be?
Answer all these questions, and then ask if your answers don't also apply to our fanbase. If your answer to this question is no, then I would suggest you're either willfully blind to that segment because you want to feel superior, or you're part of it.
|14 weeks 7 min ago||That represents a ton of||
That represents a ton of redneck Michigan fans, then. If your argument is that OSU's fanbase is obnoxious, and that it is obnoxious because it has a ton of rednecks, don't you also have to concede that we have good reason to think our fanbase is probably obnoxious too?
|14 weeks 26 min ago||I'll try to approach the||
I'll try to approach the question a different way. Who do you think all the toothless rednecks in the state of Michigan are fans of?
|14 weeks 44 min ago||When OSU has non affiliated||
When OSU has non affiliated fans they're "toothless rednecks." When people try to say the same thing about our fanbase ("Walmart Wolverines"), we jump down their throats (on this blog at least). What the hell is the difference, though?
|14 weeks 1 day ago||As much as I've thoroughly||
As much as I've thoroughly enjoyed going to hockey games the past few years, this right here has always been my main issue with college hockey. It isn't televised like football or basketball, so how are you able to get a firm grasp on how good Michigan is vs. the rest of the country until late into the season? Look at stat sheets?
I've always kind of felt lost following Michigan hockey, or like I'm experiencing it in a bubble.
|14 weeks 2 days ago||I can think of several||
I can think of several reasons to not want to be singled out like that.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||The truth is just too much||
The truth is just too much for some people to bear, it seems.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||Uh, if mods delete this||
Uh, if mods delete this thread I will be extremely disappointed. This is exactly the sort of hard hitting issue this blog should make its business to investigate.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||Excellent.||
Excellent. Perfectly executed.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||You seem to be missing the||
You seem to be missing the point. Yes, they are pushed in certain directions. I know that happens at Michigan all the time, even in non revenue sports. They don't take your scholarship away if you fail to comply, though. You get benched. Again, it's a trade off. They want to play though, so they decide it's in their best interest to take the easier major. Who cares if you disagree with them on that point?
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Yep, that's exactly how I'm||
Yep, that's exactly how I'm sure it goes. Word for word. So, uh.... explain how we've had engineers and business majors on the team before? How we've had athletes do pre med? The strongest argument you can make is that they're pushed in one direction or another and that they might lose playing time if they don't submit. But that's a reasonable trade off, I think.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Tried to drag his arms down.||
Tried to drag his arms down. Eventually trapped them in a bear hug going up the tunnel.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Les Miles just lost his||
Les Miles just lost his appetite.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||I feel the same way about the||
I feel the same way about the Midwest.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Well, I'm a student and I||
Well, I'm a student and I don't like it. We're a pretty big group, actually. Probably a safe bet that there's some diversity of opinion.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||What an interesting and||
What an interesting and unique perspective on the student section you have ben of providing with us presently. Needed to create you a bit of observation to be able to thank you so much yet again for your gorgeous thoughts you have documented at this time.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Kind of have to believe||
Kind of have to believe that's a lifetime achievement pick. Pretty lame.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Y'all're right. Deliverance||
Y'all're right. Deliverance is basically a documentary of my daily life. Clearly inferior to the midwest. Guess y'all're just more evolved than we are. Yep. Don't mind my hick self, just gonna go throw in some chewin' tobaccah and then impregnate my cousin.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||No, the ACC was accounted||
No, the ACC was accounted for.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||He threw one today, actually.||
He threw one today, actually.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||See? This is what I mean.||
See? This is what I mean. Bando is one of the few worthwhile posters here, as far as I'm concerned.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||But is that really what||
But is that really what Brian's advocating here? He's the one being accused of gratuitous negativity.
"If you are surprised that I am emotional and moody at this point you are too stupid to care about."
|14 weeks 6 days ago||It's funny, whenever the||
It's funny, whenever the decline of this blog's community is brought up, everyone seems to have someone else in mind for what kind of poster is to blame.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||That's what you get for||
That's what you get for having such a creepy avatar picture.
|16 weeks 18 min ago||So many people on this blog||
So many people on this blog just flat out refuse to acknowledge MSU as anything more than a MAC caliber team outside of the week after we lose to them.
|16 weeks 23 min ago||I have been watching other||
I have been watching other conferences. I would say we're around PAC 12 level.
|16 weeks 25 min ago||Your definition of nationally||
Your definition of nationally relevant must be so narrow that only about 4 teams fit it at the moment. How many Big Teams can you expect at once, then?
|16 weeks 39 min ago||I was not, no.||
I was not, no.
|16 weeks 46 min ago||The conference is actually||
The conference is actually pretty strong. I think the bigger problem is that it's boring.
|16 weeks 16 hours ago||Would you say you...||
Would you say you... appreciate him?
|16 weeks 22 hours ago||Kind of masturbatory, isn't||
Kind of masturbatory, isn't it?
|16 weeks 2 days ago||I've lost track of how many||
I've lost track of how many times this particular horse has been beat. I'm just really impressed with your ability to battle it out on this topic every single time it comes up. I got worn out several threads ago.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Hey, thanks man. I really||
Hey, thanks man. I really appreciate the support.
|16 weeks 5 days ago||Are we really that upset||
Are we really that upset about the "Fuck McGary" chant? What, you think it hurt his feelings? I'm sure he'll recover.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||I really think some of y'all||
I really think some of y'all are counting chickens waaay before they hatch with our basketball program. Almost everyone seems to disagree with me on that, but I really do think we're getting ahead of ourselves with the "national power" talk.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||One way of interpreting your||
One way of interpreting your post is as a continuance of the dialogue that SC initiated with his diary. I might be mistaken, but I think that's sort of what you had in mind.
Another way to interpret it is you getting really defensive and throwing a fit because you got challenged by someone on your blog. I suspect a lot of people will end up seeing it this way because you mention the guy by name throughout, and especially because of your writing style.
When this post gets a really negative reaction, it will be because people interpreted your tone differently from what I suspect you intended.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Because ultimately, having||
Because ultimately, having watched the team last season, I feel like the tournament run was probably an anomaly. Was the team pretty good? Absolutely. Probably not as good as those three teams, though. I view our program as roughly in line with where Wisconsin has been recently. I think it takes more than one really good tournament run.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Well, if we're talking about||
Well, if we're talking about the Big Ten then I'd have MSU and OSU ahead of us.
Edit: also Indiana. Oops.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||The team made it to the final||
The team made it to the final four. Great, really cool. If I'm a high school recruit right now though, I still don't view Michigan as an elite option.
|17 weeks 5 days ago||Come on, let's be fair now.||
Come on, let's be fair now. Many of our run plays get blown up so fast it's difficult to tell what direction they were intended to go.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||It's a little bit off putting||
It's a little bit off putting when people qualify their opinions with things like "maybe it's just because I'm too old," or something of that nature. Not only does it make it easier for people to discard your opinion, it makes me feel marginalized as a 20 year old who more often than not agrees (with the old guy sentiment). Like there's something anomalous about me, when I don't think there is.
Piped in music makes things feel sterile, pre packaged, like I'm at an NFL game. I don't think disagreement about that is generational at all.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Fucking shut down this entire||
Fucking shut down this entire blog. Just nuke this shit.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||He was talking about his own||
He was talking about his own team. Did you hear his comments post game? He absolutely meant his own team.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||I don't know man. I'm from||
I don't know man. I'm from the South, and I can pretty much confirm that every time we play an SEC team it's all I can do to stop myself from putting on some jorts and letting out a rebel yell or two. My family was NOT pleased when I CLANGA CLANGA'D all through the 2011 Gator Bowl.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||While you might have a||
While you might have a legitimate point that I probably agree with, it's kind of lame to make it right after a loss to a rival.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||I'd be ok with this entire||
I'd be ok with this entire blog just being devoted to content like this from now on.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Good. I also hope someone||
Good. I also hope someone builds a bigger stadium than ours.
|22 weeks 5 days ago||Apparently our power plays||
Apparently our power plays are now "powered by Toyota." Prius jokes aside, that's unforgivable. Like we're a minor league baseball team.
|23 weeks 2 days ago||Unless you honestly think Penn||
Unless you honestly think Penn State is a better school than Brown, or that MSU is a better school than Vanderbilt, this list is terrible and should be disregarded.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||Wish that I was on ole Rocky||
Wish that I was on ole Rocky Top...
|24 weeks 22 hours ago||You make me uncomfortable,||
You make me uncomfortable, because you remind me of my attitude towards women when I was in middle school. Stop reminding me of that.
|24 weeks 1 day ago||Edit: please ignore me.||
Edit: please ignore me.
|24 weeks 1 day ago||Your record book? Since you||
Your record book? Since you copy pasted it, and based off another of your comments in this thread, I'm guessing you mean that you compiled?
Your username is no lie.
|24 weeks 1 day ago||I don't understand the||
I don't understand the motivation behind leaving off Penn State if the purpose of this thread is to review how bye weeks affect team performance.
|24 weeks 3 days ago||I feel like all I do on this||
I feel like all I do on this blog is complain about/at other people. That probably isn't a good use of my time. I should try to stop doing that.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||College football is for the||
College football is for the football players? What? Are movies for the actors that perform in them?
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Nope. Student section. Stand||
Nope. Student section. Stand all game. Nice try, though.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Wait, let me get this||
Wait, let me get this straight. People are generally bad at assessing how busy they are (tending to overestimate). So our perceptions about how busy we are are unreliable. Therefore, we should rely on the perceptions of older-us about how busy they are ? What makes older-us better at assessing how busy they are? Perhaps hindsight makes us better evaluators, but only about things in the past! So of course you'd think you were busier in the present compared to the past.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Bahahahaha, you're||
Bahahahaha, you're ridiculous.
Wait a second, the football team represents North Carolina? I didn't know this! Somone notify McCrory! This changes everything!
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Um, I have shown up the past||
Um, I have shown up the past few years, thanks.
Also, you have completely missed the point. To an embarrassing extent.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||"For me, no matter how much I||
"For me, no matter how much I disagree with the AD, it's all about cheering for the team."
So this is an interesting thought that I think might get at the heart of some disagreement. Do you go to football games to cheer the team, or because you want to be entertained watching a football game? For me it's 100% the latter, which is why I don't really feel bad about people missing games.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||I agree. Let's stop||
I agree. Let's stop subsidizing these inferior in-state-students so the school can finally reach its potential.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Ok, what's especially wrong||
Ok, what's especially wrong about it? Consumers shouldn't get to decide how they use what they purchase?
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Looking at his comment, I||
Looking at his comment, I don't read it that way at all.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||I do not feel embarrased||
I do not feel embarrassed about that. It's their decision. Obviously I don't agree because I made a different decision, but that's a separate issue. I don't see why I'd ever be embarrassed about that.
So you're saying that now that things are more expensive for you, you're going to act super bitter towards people who are now enjoying what you once did?
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Uhhh.... he's an AD employee?||
Uhhh.... he's an AD employee? I remain skeptical.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||I honestly don't think it's||
I honestly don't think it's that bad either, I mostly don't like the rhetoric here.
Do you really think these measures are because the AD is worried about homefield advantage, or because they want to maintain appearances?
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Please don't comment on the||
Please don't comment on the students unless you know what you're talking about. From your posts, it doesn't sound like you do.
Also, why did you feel the need to clarify that you graduated college? Especially the bit about "could have gone to Michigan?"
|24 weeks 4 days ago||At least from my perspective||
At least from my perspective as a current student, because it comes off as really hostile. It's like the University and its students are viewed as a burden to the AD, who'd much rather operate as an independent corporate entity. When you say things that basically amount to "the AD is doing you a favor by giving you lower prices, stop complaining," I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to view myself in relation to our athletic programs. Is the AD there for its own sake or for the University?
|24 weeks 4 days ago||That seems perfectly||
That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Tickets are expensive, not sure why you'd buy them if you're not going to use them. That's their decision though, and I'm not understanding how we jump from "some students are making poor decisions" to "it's our job to decide what students do with what they've paid for." That's seriously demeaning to me at least, and I'm showing up.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||I'm not questioning your||
I'm not questioning your loyalty, but your apparent disdain for the students. I have no idea where you're getting the idea that the student body is full of spoiled trust fund kids. That hasn't been what I've seen here at all.
Also, please don't conflate loyalty to the athletic program and loyalty to the school.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||It's like some people here||
It's like some people here would be perfectly happy if only there wasn't some pesky University interfering with their favorite semi-pro football team.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Ok... I know this question is||
Ok... I know this question is usually frowned upon here, but... did you actually go to Michigan?
|24 weeks 4 days ago||And that's why we'll never be||
And that's why we'll never be able to have a reasonable discussion about this.
"Excuses" implies that students have done something wrong they need to account for. I just disagree with that. I'm not one of your high school students, and I don't need to answer to you. I enjoy going to Football and Hockey games, so I go to them. I really don't feel obligated to go to them though.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Do you use this reasoning for||
Do you use this reasoning for everything you consume?
Even if I grant what you're saying, that still doesn't justify the level of vitriol this topic inspires in some people. So at most I'll grant that there's a week 'should' involved, but not anywhere near strong enough to warrant words like "disgusting" and "disgraceful."
|24 weeks 4 days ago||"Students who actually show||
"Students who actually show up have nothing to fear. The "I bought season tickets just to see MSU" crowd, well, they're out of luck."
You're completely missing the point. If that behavior wasn't ok, they should have been warned beforehand. If you don't make the conditions explicit from the beginning, you shouldn't get to dictate how people use what they paid for.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||No, it isn't. But that's not||
No, it isn't. But that's not exactly all that's involved.
For example, I'm not in a frat, but I'd imagine it could get difficult dealing with gameday logistics under GA for big groups like that.
For an example that does apply to me, instead of arriving an hour early like I did every year prior to this, I now have to play roulette with a few thousand other students in order to get into my preferred spot in section 26 or 27, row 50-70 or so.
I'm not about to write some overly dramatic manifesto like the linked guy did, but it does seem a bit unnecessary to me.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Hey. Keep in mind that "at||
Hey. Keep in mind that "at least one hour before kickoff" would be late for ND (and I'm anticipating for Neb and OSU) this year depending on what seats you're expecting/ wanting.
"Where is the damn effort."
Just curious, why do you think attending a recreational event should require effort?
|24 weeks 4 days ago||I read the title of the||
I read the title of the article and then no more, a bit dramatic for my tastes. Here's my take though which I've posted here once before: I will NEVER understand those of you that think going to a football/ basketball game is some kind of moral imperative. Actively deceiving consumers is something that I think is clearly wrong, though.
|25 weeks 1 hour ago||I understand what you're||
I understand what you're trying to get at, but what you've actually identified is that the original argument (if Q then P) is inadequate. Notice that the comparison is NOT D1 football players to 1Ls/ med students. It's one instance of not allowing people to earn money and another instance of not allowing people to make money. They might only be analogous insofar as they're not allowed to make money, but that's as far as they need to be (since if not-P and Q, then it's not the case that if Q then P).
That there are a bunch of disanalogies between 1Ls and what we want to say about football players is certainly relevant if you want to extrapolate from WolvinLA2's response that we therefore don't have ANY reason to pay football players, but I don't think anyone's trying to do that.
|25 weeks 18 hours ago||So, basically what you've||
So, basically what you've done is make clear that you're not really interested in having a reasonable discussion about this.
First poster: If Q, then P.
Second: But here is an instance of Q but not-P!
You: Oh yeah? 7!
|25 weeks 20 hours ago||But they get free food and||
But they get free food and water. Plus a bunch of other free stuff.
|25 weeks 22 hours ago||Point taken. I guess what||
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that they get a great deal as it is. If the argument is that they're not being adequately compensated then it makes sense to figure out what they ARE being compensated. At that point I think the argument falls through. I obviously don't expect it to convince anyone who disagrees, but it'd be nice to have a ball park.
|25 weeks 22 hours ago||Before we can even begin to||
Before we can even begin to have the paying players conversation in a meaningful way, we need to know how much per year a football player gets when you add up out of state tuition, food, academic help, access to facilities, stipends, rent money, free clothing, etc.
Is there a good place to find this information?
|25 weeks 22 hours ago||Woah... in Ann Arbor? What on||
Woah... in Ann Arbor? What on earth was your rent? What year was this?
|25 weeks 3 days ago||I have no problems with||
I have no problems with constructive criticism, I do have personal trouble with things like encouragement, compliments, things like that.
Also, I recognize that my reaction isn't a good one. I'm not saying that others should have that reaction. I'm not saying that that's what Manziel intended. I'm not saying that's the reaction I want to have.
I made a stupid comment on the internet about my personal, unhealthy reaction.
|25 weeks 3 days ago||My comment had absolutely||
My comment had absolutely nothing to do with it being Manziel, I have nothing against him. I also wouldn't have sent that reply, and would have known intellectually that he was just trying to be nice.
|25 weeks 3 days ago||I think he was absolutely||
I think he was absolutely just trying to be nice. I wasn't commenting on his actual motives.
|25 weeks 3 days ago||Woah, that got a lot of||
Woah, that got a lot of responses! I have nothing against Manziel. Honestly I think most college athletes are like him, he's just been really bad about hiding it from the press (who have turned it into an unfair narrative).
I didn't mean to suggest that I think that's how Manziel's text should be received, or how Gardner should have reacted. I just mean that's how I would have felt about it personally (which I acknowledged is much different from how most people would have felt about it, probably to their benefit).
|25 weeks 3 days ago||Not usually, no.||
Not usually, no.
|25 weeks 3 days ago||I know (suspect?) that most||
I know (suspect?) that most people aren't like this, but I'd be a little upset if I were in Gardner's position and received that text.
I know I did poorly, I don't need you to affirm that for me in a text that carries that implicit suggestion. Also, who the hell are you to be handing out advice? GTFO with your patronizing bullshit.
|25 weeks 5 days ago||I will never understand some||
I will never understand some of y'all that think going to a football game is some moral imperative.
|26 weeks 1 day ago||There are recruiting visits||
There are recruiting visits for certain teams where the recruit stays overnight with a current player as host. Those visits are..... well let's just say that at Michigan at least for some teams, those visits get a bit wild. At least from what I've witnessed personally. And I have a reasonably large sample size.
|26 weeks 6 days ago||Hour and a half early. Really||
Hour and a half early. Really fast getting into the stadium (scanning tickets), but going from there to your seat required wading through an enormous log jam that I had never experienced before at Michigan Stadium. Difficult to tell where the line for one section ended and another began, so much line cutting that the lines past a certain point weren't moving. Not really sure (again, because tough to tell where the lines were), but I think I probably cut about half of the line to get into section 27. Ended up just about as high up as possible, but all I care about is getting into section 26 or 27 (so I was happy). Took a LONG time to clear room for emergency vehicles because of the crowd in the way, feel like that was kind of dangerous.
|30 weeks 2 days ago||I'm pretty sure this is||
I'm pretty sure this is MLive, actually. I used to believe otherwise but more and more I'm starting to doubt myself.
|30 weeks 2 days ago||Ok, this is a bit much.||
Ok, this is a bit much.
|30 weeks 4 days ago||"So I would like to see read||
"So I would like to see read option looks from Michigan with the proviso that Gardner rarely keeps it."
Perhaps I've misunderstood, but is this even possible? Doesn't the defense pretty much decide whether the QB keeps or not?
|30 weeks 6 days ago||Obviously, any and all||
Obviously, any and all dissenting opinion may only come from OSU fans. We are all of like mind here, and if you don't like it you can get out. Whatever you do, don't break the circlejerk!
|31 weeks 2 days ago||The only thing I care about||
The only thing I care about is that now the boxes around comments are a lighter shade of blue. I don't like that at all. It's surprising how much it bothers me.
Edit: or is it? I can't exactly tell. Something visual is different, that's all I know.
|31 weeks 6 days ago||If there were a blog||
If there were a blog dedicated to my work, I don't think I would read it. I thought the internet was for getting away from your responsibilities?
|33 weeks 4 days ago||No.||
|34 weeks 6 days ago||Where's our running game?||
Where's our running game? Provisionally under until I see how we perform against ND.
|35 weeks 3 days ago||Hypocricy= intellectual||
Hypocrisy= a kind of intellectual dishonesty, to my mind. That's what I meant, not that he was wrong about Burbidge/ misrepresented his belief. Is that an idiomatic use of "dishonesty?" It isn't in my field of study, my apologies if it is elsewhere.
I think it might not be petty if Nick Saban were the target, but is petty if Ron English is. Up to you where you think Dantonio is on this spectrum.
|35 weeks 3 days ago||I disagree that he's clearly||
I disagree that he's clearly taking shots at Michigan.
Look at the transcript for the "top player in the state of Michigan" quote and Ctrl- F the word "top." He uses that word in the description of a couple other recruits as well. I think he's just trying to talk up his class, which is understandable. It's just because Michigan has traditionally been the biggest football power in the state that the quote gets perceived as a dig at us.
Also, try be charitable when interpreting quotes from media interviews. Questions are often intentionally phrased in a way to get a specific response. Often, articles are written beforehand and the quotes fill in blanks, so really reporters are fishing for quotes to fit their narrative. When there's an in-state rivalry concerned, us vs. them is an easy narrative.
|35 weeks 3 days ago||I understood Brian's||
I understood Brian's criticism, thanks. Yes, Dantonio does seem to have contradicted himself. My point is so what? Given his position it doesn't bother me so much, and devoting a front page post to it on a blog with such a large readership as this is kind of petty.
|35 weeks 3 days ago||I feel like this is low||
I feel like this is low hanging fruit at this point. He coaches at a school that really struggles with recruiting, of course he's going to look for any positive way to spin things. Is it a bit dishonest of him? Yes. But recruiting and public relations are both inherently dishonest activities.
|37 weeks 2 days ago||Yes.||
|37 weeks 4 days ago||Our QB just guarenteed a win||
Our QB just guaranteed a win over the strongest team in the Big Ten and our toughest rival, and OSU is the overconfident one?
|38 weeks 3 days ago||I was initially prepared to||
I was initially prepared to say the same thing. I have 12, and didn't purchase 13 because I couldn't tell much of a difference. I'm pleased by what I've seen so far this year, though. The visuals and presentation are recycled, but I don't care much about that. The blocking appears to be improved, the playbooks are much more varied (I basically have Oregon's '12 playbook memorized. It did not have shovel options, midline reads, inverted veers, or a bunch more spread option stuff), you can now make proper cuts while running, and the defensive AI isn't near as dumb while defending option pitches. There are still a bunch of problems that I've seen, and I probably won't end up buying it, but 14 is much improved from 12.
|38 weeks 3 days ago||From what i understand,||
From what I understand, REALLY difficult (as far as blocking AI is concerned).
|39 weeks 1 day ago||Did you just admit to being||
Did you just admit to being in school as recently as 2007/2008?
|39 weeks 3 days ago||"Maybe it's time to get||
"Maybe it's time to get academia out of the clouds and into the REAL world..."
It's frightening to me because people who express sentiments like this are often committed to a particular view on the purpose of undergraduate education that is openly hostile and dangerous to my view (a view that I feel very strongly about). While the people who say things like this typically mean to say something like "we really ought to bring down the cost of education," my point (without getting too involved with the politics of things) is that there are other positions about academia that usually accompany that (very reasonable) position. Also, Michigan is way too high profile an institution to bother risking someone unproven changing fields.
There are many reasons why it would frighten me (too many to list here), but those are the ones that your specific questions/comments bring to mind for me.
|39 weeks 3 days ago||Hopefully it won't be counted||
Hopefully it won't be counted as too presumptuous of me if I make an observation, but I would argue that you're the one that's changed, not the mods (well, technically they HAVE changed as some have retired, but I mean policy wise). For a long time you seemed to be a pretty innocuous poster who was just REALLY enthusiastic about Michigan sports. Then out of seemingly nowhere you would occasionally post offensive jokes about Mexicans, feminism, and homosexuality (I think I remember this, maybe it was someone else). I remember being really taken aback when this started, because I hadn't expected it.
|39 weeks 3 days ago||I tried to edit my comment||
I tried to edit my comment before you posted, didn't get it in on time. I didn't finish my post before I hit save. Basically, I'm asking (as an out of state student, so as someone who didn't get to witness the fallout first hand when he first made his comments) why what he said was such a terrible thing.
|39 weeks 3 days ago||The things Harbaugh||
The things Harbaugh complained about do happen at Michigan. At least, if the athletes I know are to be trusted. And I'm talking about for certain non revenue sports/ athletes.
|40 weeks 2 days ago||There are waaaayyy more MSU||
There are waaaayyy more MSU threads than OSU or ND threads on this site. MSU is our biggest rival in 2 out of our 3 revenue sports. MSU recently won our game 4 years in a row, and the game this past season was very, very close. The ND series is coming to an end soon. Many of you try to make the distinction that you respect OSU but not MSU, so that OSU is a rivalry but MSU is just an annoyance. But presence of respect is NOT a prerequisite to a rivalry. I hope those of you that make comments about MSU not being a rivalry are just joking, because otherwise you're being ridiculous.
|40 weeks 5 days ago||It's not that I don't recall||
It's not that I don't recall it, it's that I don't think it's relevant/ he's not an academic. Worse, he comes from a business background. While fundraising is a significant part of the job, a University president is NOT a CEO.
|40 weeks 5 days ago||Hey, what a coincidence! So||
Hey, what a coincidence! So is ours apparently!
|40 weeks 5 days ago||We've also got a legit shot||
We've also got a legit shot if we score more points than the other teams. It's one of those annoying things fans say that really just don't have any substance. Individually it's not a big deal, but when it gets parroted over and over again it gets pretty aggravating. For other offenses in this category, see "the better team won" and the majority of comments about academic prestige.
|40 weeks 5 days ago||"[Brandon's] not a bad||
"[Brandon's] not a bad choice"
It frightens me that there are people out there with this opinion.
|43 weeks 1 day ago||To be fair, the student||
To be fair, the student government deserves to be mocked on any and all available opportunity.
|43 weeks 6 days ago||"I then emailed him back and||
"I then emailed him back and asked him about us (WH, goblue16, Thorin and myself) who post highlight videos, if we would be able to continue to do it."
I think this is the offending bit, in OMG Shirtless' eyes. Notice that OMG Shirtless didn't speculate about your motives, by the way.
And yeah, OMG Shirtless! You'd better be nicer to this guy. Otherwise he'll stop doing something he started doing voluntarily, that you never asked him to do, and that likely will have zero impact on you whatsoever.
*Edit: Aaaannnd I'm late. Now I look sillier than I would otherwise have for posting with a winnie the pooh character for an avatar/profile picture thing.
|44 weeks 3 days ago||Ok, clearly you've ruled out||
Ok, clearly you've ruled out the possibility of anyone not wanting to play Arizona's football team. After all, you either liked Rich Rod or you didn't. As you observe, it's obvious that both factions want to play him.
But wait, if that's the case, how come I don't want Michigan to play him? How come the poster you responded to doesn't want to play him? What kind of aberrant anomalies must we be?
|46 weeks 18 hours ago||Reading the letter, it||
Reading the letter, it doesn't sound like she really objects to the logo in itself so much as she objects to the logo in what she perceives as its context. From her perspective, male violence against women is a systemic issue with UConn athletics that has gone unacknowledged by the school administration. Rebranding in the midst of this is a bit of a white washing, is what she seems to be arguing. I think her comments about the logo being aggressive and emblematic of male athletic peer culture are just rhetorical devices to try to get her point across. She wanted to discuss violence against women at UConn, and the imagery of the logo happened to provide a convenient way of doing that. At least that's how I interpret her letter.
I think there are good reasons to disagree with her, but I think some of you are being uncharitable to her position.
|46 weeks 3 days ago||This is an interesting idea||
This is an interesting idea that I hadn't thought of. I really appreciate the response. I have some concerns with this approach, though.
What happens when the estimate is too small? Does this mean that the size of the section would have to be the same for OSU and directional MI (leading to there still being a bunch of empty seats for poor quality games)?
I wonder if there are any legal issues with over selling like this.
|46 weeks 3 days ago||I have a question for the||
I have a question for the "shrink the student section!" contingent on this blog. How do you differentiate between a ticket order from a student that will show up and one from a student that won't? If the purpose of shrinking the student section is to reduce no-shows, how do you ensure that the seats you eliminate are the seats of people that wouldn't have shown up?
|46 weeks 4 days ago||I'll have to wait and see how||
I'll have to wait and see how long the lines are for the ND game before I pass judgment. This will be my last year, so I would have had pretty decent seats I'd have to imagine. As long as I don't have to sit in the endzone I guess I'll survive.
|46 weeks 5 days ago||"Someone once told me||
"Someone once told me [Brandon] is THE second most powerful person at the University above any Dean, Provost, or Vice President."
This is a problem. I would like to see the next president seriously attempt to rein this in.
|47 weeks 2 hours ago||I see NDNation and||
I see NDNation and "delusional" in the same comment, but you don't seem to be using one to refer to the other. NDNation is worse than the RCMB, except that everything there is covered in a veneer of smug elitism.
|47 weeks 1 day ago||No, no, didn't you see his||
No, no, didn't you see his disclaimer? "Guaranteed to offend." You are all just waaaayy too sensitive, you overly PC pansies. Dude is clearly a badass, and you just can't handle how real he keeps it.
|47 weeks 1 day ago||Can someone knowledgable on||
Can someone knowledgeable on the subject elaborate a bit on Chechen-American relations? I would have thought there'd be some enemy of my enemy sentiment on the part of Chechnya, but so much for that.
|48 weeks 2 days ago||ex-NBA players go bankrupt||
ex-NBA players go bankrupt all the time. Might be nice to be able to fall back on a degree in that situation, is all I mean. I'm not saying he should stay, or that I'll judge him harshly if he doesn't. All I mean to say is that saying that there is literally nothing to gain from staying in school might be false.
|48 weeks 2 days ago||Except for a degree, that is.||
Except for a degree, that is.