and... i like them? I think I like them.
|16 hours 5 min ago||This all looks good...||
...and I agree 100%
But I still don't breathe a "sigh of relief" ONLY because I would've loved to redshirted 2 of the freshman.
Having J-Mo and even Horford had he stayed, would've be invaluable.
Max B is the wild card, if he can get good enough to truly earn significant minutes (not A LOT...I said significany, as in playing when it matters)...then this allows us to chose the better of Wilson and Doyle and the other can redshirt.
I don't think that is out of the relm of possibility, Max is certainly capable of that role.
|16 hours 8 min ago||If he's better than the late pickup...||
He certainly will be and Walton will move to that SG spot for some minutes.
|1 day 1 hour ago||You must not have read what I wrote...||
Because you said what I said...
|1 day 1 hour ago||You're right...||
I'm the moron.
Don't I feel sheeeeepish.
|1 day 2 hours ago||I'm not opposed to 40 bowls...||
...but they should play the bottom 20 bowls...now. I don't care if you've lost seniors and don't have freshman.
Play them now and give me something to watch this time of year.
I bet they'd get more viewers too...
Rather than play a spring game, but fill the bottom 20 bowls after the regular season and just play them in April.
Who cares about anything else, this is about what is best for ME.
I don't want to watch a shit bowl bowl in December, but I'll damn sure take it in April. Let's spread the wealth. You're more likely to have better weather too.
I watching Michigan/OSU '97 on ESPN Classic TWICE today. That's how bad I want college football. I didn't even know I still had ESPN Classic and saw that The Game was on and accidently turned to it twice and each time ended up watching the remainder of the game.
Make it happen NCAA.
|1 day 4 hours ago||Blueprint is better...||
I prefer Reasonable Doubt as well. The Black Album would be #3 in Jay-Z's catalog IMO.
|1 day 4 hours ago||+1 for "The Battleship"||
+1 Funny indeed.
|1 day 12 hours ago||All I'm saying is...||
...it's not everything.
You all keep saying "We have x amount of guys over 6'8...we're good."
That doesn't tell you the whole story.
OSU could've said that last year and added 2 guys to the 6'8+ list that don't even play in the post.
THAT is my point. The argument doesn't tell the entire story. It's short sided.
Give me a post that is 6'7 250 over a kid that is 6'9 200 any day if it's equal skill level.
|1 day 12 hours ago||I wasn't commenting on player style...||
I was just commenting on knowing how to take a player late and what to look for in whether he's going to be good/be able to contribute or not.
As for style...I've always said the ONE thing I wish Beilein would do more is go away from "his system" with 2 scholarship players on the team (not per year).
One long, athletic, pure driver, defender, "head down and go" type player on the wing...doesn't matter if he can't shoot 3's. And one big, wide, tough, rebounding, low post player.
Even if they're your 8th and 9th scholarship players...always have one of each on the team.
Because you need these guys in certain games. We had games last year where we flat out couldn't defend the perimeter...it would've been nice to have a guy who could match up with the Devyn Marble, Brandon Dawson, LaQuinton Ross and Lenzelle Smith types. You're not going to get a guy as good as those guys, but maybe you can find someone who can match up with them a little because the Robinson's and the Irvin's are just overmatched in those situations. Just like CJ Leslie 2 years ago.
Then, also have one guy down low who can just be tough, give you some decent minutes in a UK type game. We always have enough scoring on the perimeter...so having a guy like Jordan Morgan, even a sophomore year version is valuable in some of those games.
And maybe by their 4th or 5th year, like J-Mo, they develop into a pretty damn good player. If not, I don't think it's a waste because you weren't relying on them anyway.
Now of course if you can get a guy who can do EVERYTHING including these things, you take him, but I would just make sure natural toughness, length, rebounding is something always on the team. Not something you go into the season trying to create.
In the same way, I think Hoke always needs at least one smaller slot WR on the team. Not in every recruiting class, but just one Odoms, Dileo type guy.
But hey, that's just me. I just know if you trade Morgan for Smotrycz this year...we only maybe win the B1G and we don't get past the first weekend of the tournament...we'd just be too damn soft. J-Mo said it himself about not being punked, well, he was the only one on the team that had enough natural size, strength, and toughess to do that.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Wow.||
And we're his top school.
So looks like if he gets an offer, he's the commit. With the way we judge talent...I have no problem with this whatsoever...how could I or anyone?
Get him on campus, let him work out and see what he's got.
I hate the blind "I don't care who's on the team, I trust Beilen" comments. That's malarky.
However, in THESE situations, you absolutely trust Beilein and the staff, they know how to identify and develop talent.
So you can't just "trust" that they're going to make everyone better right away and we're always going to be good. It took Morgan 5 years to truly be a great basketball player. He played all 5 under Beilein.
However, you can trust that if they take a late commit after seeing him in person...the kid can play.
If they see him and he can't play...he goes to OSU and comes off the bench with crazy hair and then leaves for Europe.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Which isn't tradition...||
...but actually kind of cool.
Generally you're off and you have New Year's Day to recover or continue drinking. Games will be over by the time the NYE stuff really starts so I think it would be fun to watch meaningful football until 10pm and then start the traditional NYE stuff.
I really enjoyed the Texas A&M/Duke game last year with all my friends as we were getting going for the night. Having "bigger games" would actually be kind of cool.
Basically it's taking away those random BCS games on the 2nd, 3rd or 4th where it's just ONE game that night and you have to come home from work/school and watch and there is no atmosphere because you have to work/go to class the next day.
No one stayed up and watched UCF/Baylor this year not only because no one really wanted to watch that game anyway, but also because it ended after midnight on a work/school day (I believe). Move a game like that to NYE and everyone is watching during their party or at the bar or wherever.
I remember Stanford and Oklahoma St. played in the Fiesta Bowl a few years back and it was an AWESOME game, and I was fighting to stay awake because I had work in the morning. Would've loved to have had that game on NYE.
|2 days 1 hour ago||I know you're not saying that...||
...you wouldn't be so silly.
But I'm saying their games are COMPLETELY different. Irvin, to me, is A LOT more GRIII than Stauskas.
He's a guy that can do some of everything. But Stauskas was ELITE with the ball in his hands. Irvin is going to knock down some 3's, get some put backs, maybe he takes someone off the dribble every now and again, find a hole behind the defense for a dunk, play decent defense on a SF and struggle on a PF, likely be inconsistent.
That is like GRIII's career in a nutshell minus the highlight dunks.
Stauskas was a PG for us at times, the offense ran through him, he could create for himself and for others.
LeVert is more likely to be the next Stauskas, not Irvin. Even though, I'm not sure LeVert can do it either...he's got the skill set, but one of his strengths is playing out of a traditional rhythm --- it's hard to play off someone like that because they're a little unpredictable with the ball. He's going to pick up a lot of fouls because of it, but I think it's harder to be a great passer because of it too.
Anyway, if you're looking for plug and play...I think your best guess would be LeVert for Stauskas and Irvin for GRIII. McGary for Morgan. The question is...who becomes LeVert, do Albrecht and Walton play more together or does Donnal get those minutes...either way, THAT is where the team really changes. Either you have two PGs or you trade last year's LeVert for Donnal and become more post oriented.
|2 days 2 hours ago||STOP WITH THE HEIGHT!!!!||
Jordan Morgan just showed you ALL that height is overrated and you need SIZE. You need weight, shoulders, chest, strength to play the position.
I can find you 6'8 guys all over the country who play GUARD!
Height is NOT everything.
I'd much rather have a J-Mo than a 6'10, 200 kid who is just going to get pushed around.
Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Anderson, Rodney Hood, Cleanthony Early, TJ Warren, CJ Fair, LaQuinton Ross, Doug McDermott...
ALL OF THESE GUYS ARE 6'7+ AND NONE OF THEM ARE COLLEGE CENTERS!
Height does not mean everything...especially for guys who are skilled enough to play other positions. Saying Mark Donnal is 6'8 tells me NOTHING other than he's tall.
|2 days 2 hours ago||LOBSTERS!!||
How can you forget about Smotrycz!?
But you're right, he's not a C and people REALL need to stop trying to make themselves feel better by making him one.
He's not thick enough, it's not his game, and we'd get DESTROYED inside if he played C (just like we did when Smotrycz played the 5). McGary, Doyle and Max and his huge calves will have to hold down that spot.
Donnal is your 4. Which you need anyway because GRIII is leaving.
I can't even imagine playing a team like '14 UK with Donnal on the floor instead of Morgan. We got rolled on the boards WITH Morgan...it would be mansalughter if Donnal was our best big man option. That's just not his game.
And so what about his height...there are 6'9 SG's around. Wiggins is tall, he's not a C or PF. Dirk is tall, he's not a C. Hell Ralph Sampson was 7'4 and played PF for a lot of his career!
You need some girth.
Edit: Was beaten to the punch, but same point...Smotz was a stretch 4 who struggled HORRIBLY when he has to play the 5 and ultimate transferred because of it. He thought he was a 3/4 instead of a 4/5 who had to play 5 far too much. Not saying Donnal would leave, but he shouldn't be playing more than a couple minutes a the 5 spot and those should be late in the game when the other team is fouling.
|2 days 2 hours ago||Irvin is not plug and play for Stauskas...||
Irvin subbed for GRIII last year and really didn't even play the wing spot until late in the year.
That is a HUGE diss to Stauskas because Stauskas was maybe the best passer on the team. He facilitated much of our offense.
Irvin is WAY more plug and play for GRIII than Stauskas who created his own stuff. Irvin just chucked the ball at the rim (and made a lot) for 90% of last season. I can count on one hand how many times he touched the ball twice in one possession and didn't shoot.
|2 days 3 hours ago||He's trying to say...||
Those are all the reasons why we sucked...and once the end or get better, we won't suck anymore.
|2 days 3 hours ago||I thought the same thing...||
I thought the same thing this morning when I saw the article...I was like "oh shit!" I think he's your next head coach at Virginia Tech when Beamer retires...that would've been a career blow.
Then I saw that it was some kid that I recognized, but really didn't know anyway and I found something else to procrastinate and waste the day away with.
|2 days 3 hours ago||Going from an F to a D still isn't good enough.||
Remember, "THIS IS MICHIGAN." We're build on toughness, and we grow OL on trees, and we're OL University, and blah, blah, blah...
|2 days 3 hours ago||So wait...||
Because a coach had to learn how to do his job, players haven't learned the system, and everyone is hurt...I'm supposed to think we're going to be good?
"Hey, hey, ay-e-ay!"
|2 days 3 hours ago||Can someone tell me again why they say "North Texas"||
If you say "Dallas/Fort Worth" doesn't that include Arlington which is between then?
|2 days 4 hours ago||Also question...||
Can a bowl that hosted a Semifinal, bid---and win, the National Championship game too?
Also, interesting to note that when the Rose Bowl are NOT "hosting" they're both still New Year's Day games. So the more important playoff games would be New Year's Eve (the night before). Meanwhile the Fiesta and Orange Bowls have pretty much become NYE bowls.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Wait||
It's really called the Atlanta Bowl?
Why didn't they just go back to Peach Bowl if they didn't want a sponsor name to be part of it?
|2 days 4 hours ago||By the way...||
Saturday marks the 20th anniversary of illmatic.
*insert some guy telling me that this wasn't the best song on the cd*
*insert me explaining that I played the first song that came on youtube*
*insert it being ignored and someone providing a ranking of all of the songs on illmatic*
*insert someone else embedding One Time Time 4 Your Mind*
*insert a Raekwon or Wu-Tang reference*
*insert One Love embed*
*insert comment about Nas and Q-Tip on Fallon last week (or the week before)*
*insert a 50 Cent reference*
|2 days 5 hours ago||I love how everytime someone talks about music...||
Randoms come out with their opinion.
This was a JOKE and all of the songs fit the ridiculous picture. It makes it even more funny because all of those songs are old and I could totally picture Mattison or any other old guy playing those songs thinking he's "up with the latest."
I don't think anyone was trying to make a "best of" playlist...
The only thing I'm shocked is that there aren't already 3-4 Wu-Tang or Tribe references in this thread. Blog lovers two "I know real hip hip more than you" favorite groups.
|2 days 5 hours ago||I disagree||
Not in this offense...I think he's in the GRIII, Irvin mold (both of whom played 4) and I don't think he has the shot of either.
IMO he's a 3/4 in Beilein's offense and a 2/3 in most every other offense.
If GRIII came back I think he would've been almost exclusively a 3 (although he still would play SOME 4), but with him gone...Irvin's minutes go up and Chatman has to learn to play WITH Irvin some.
|2 days 5 hours ago||Sucked it up?||
You're a moron.
He was a VERY good player playing the 4. He may have been a better 3, I'll give you that. But "sucked it up."
Even if you're exaggerating that implies that he was bad. If that's the case, how is he now headed early to the NBA?
Some of you are ridiculous...he may not have reached his potential, he may have been frustrating at times...but sucked it up is overkill for even someone who going overkill.
|2 days 5 hours ago||Thank you sir.||
This is good stuff, really appreciate it!
|2 days 5 hours ago||I think...||
...we're happy to make the tournament and even happier to win a game.
However, I think McGary stays...
|2 days 5 hours ago||This was has been a given....||
I wish him the best of luck.
And for anyone thinking he's coming back. If he was doing so, I think they would've all done it together.
I think both Nik and Glenn are gone, McGary stays.
|2 days 5 hours ago||Not the biggest fan of the font on the front....||
...but really like everything else.
|2 days 5 hours ago||No impact.||
I said a couple times in the other thread...(and exaggerating a little, just to get the metaphor and/or point across)
Last year, Glenn was Mitch's only "best friend" it was a lot harder to stay without your boy and your only boy.
People around the program will tell you that he really bonded with the "Bench Mob" guys this year and he's really good friends with them as well.
That's NOT saying Glenn isn't still his friend or his BEST friend, it's just saying he's got other friends to hangout with and be a college student with. He didn't have that as much last year.
So last year he was losing 1 of 1 best friend, now he may be losing 1 of 4, 5, or 6 best friends.
Personally, I think he stays because of this. He wasn't going to play on the same team with GRIII anyway, but more importantly, he's got other really good friends still on the team and in Ann Arbor. This time last year would've felt more "alone" where as this time it feels like you lose a member of the wolfpack.
Again, I'm exaggerating to some extent and I'm not acting like I know every detail of McGary's friendship scale, but I do believe if you take the exaggeration out that this does make sense. I think he stays.
|2 days 9 hours ago||Understand and agree...||
But if we lose out on guys like Cornell early, but come out playing well and we have a great season...
#1 Oh well...
|2 days 9 hours ago||Agreed sir.||
I will take it a step further.
Don't go off of what you see as the starting lineup even for the first game!
Many times coaches (ESPECIALLY coaches like Hoke) punish guys who come back to fall camp overweight or out of shape or they use it as a motivational tool of some kind.
Remember a few years back when Brandon Herron was our starting SLB for the first 2-3 games? Or Mike Jones or Brandin Hawthorne getting early PT...then by the time the 3rd or 4th game rolled around they were buried on the depth chart never to be seen again.
|2 days 9 hours ago||Based on what?||
Oh, the Spring Scrimmage starting lineups...that's right.
Welp, I guess we can take that scholarship from Graham Glasgow since he's the 3rd string RT and give it to his brother who was the 1st string DT.
|2 days 9 hours ago||7 games?||
Jeez...Of COURSE he has to win 7 games. I think he's got to win 9 games to be honest.
10 if you count the B1G Championship Game and/or a Bowl game.
But that's not good enough in 2015. In 2015, I think we should be an ELITE team. Not a solid Georgia/Nebraska Capital One Bowl level team.
And I didn't define anything...I just said I wanna see improvement, of course there are some standards and benchmarks, but I don't think they're set in stone. I think anyone (like you) who does that is setting themself up for failure.
People say, "he better be 2 of the 3 rivals." Okay, what if he loses to 2, wins the B1G and makes the CFB Playoff with 2 losses? You gonna fire him?
We can sit here and throw out bullshit benchmarks all we want, but you have to wait and see the context and everything else that happens.
|2 days 9 hours ago||You can make that argument...||
...but I'll ask, then who would you hire?
And don't say Harbaugh or Miles.
Realistically, who was coming to Michigan at the time?
I keep saying it, we just picked an AWFUL year, we got unlucky. Look at this year. Charlie Strong, James Franklin...there were some solid coaches out there.
I'll give you this to think about.
We got our 2nd or 3rd choice and ended up with Brady Hoke.
TEXAS got it's 8th or 9th choice and ended up with Charlie Strong.
That's crazy if you think about it!
Once we missed on Harbaugh, it was really Hoke/Ferentz/Edsell/Schiano level guys after that. And I don't think Harbaugh was coming for less than $6 million a year, if that, I think it was well known he wanted to stay out in California with his kids.
Personally, I think we have a better shot with Harbaugh NOW than we did then. But that's just me.
|2 days 9 hours ago||Because he's performing so well at the 4...||
And McGary was basically the tournament MVP at the 5.
Just saying, those are pretty good reasons.
|2 days 9 hours ago||Can I use your crystal ball?||
Because it must tell you that those guys were guaranteed to be better players and higher picks had they stayed.
What if Glenn stayed and didn't get any better, just a year older? He's still be a solid player for us, but his draft stock would've been hurt for the 2015 draft.
I know he was likely to get better, same with Morris and Harris, but we don't know that for sure. And if any of those guys just "stay the same" then it's a negative for them draft wise.
|2 days 9 hours ago||I didn't say that wasn't true...||
I said he now has other really good friends on the team.
So last year if Glenn was his only best friend (for lack of better words) he was losing 1 of 1.
Now with the other guys he would be losing 1 of 4 or 1 of 5 or 1 of 6.
It's a lot easier to stick around and be comfortable when you have 4, 5, 6 other best friends (again for lack of better words) that are still there with you.
I never discounted his friendship with GR3 one time. It's just simple math and if you talk to people around the program they'll agree that he's more comfortable with more guys on the team. Which, I mean, DUH, everyone has more friends in college their sophomore year vs. their freshman year when they hang around people they knew in high school more.
It's not a hard concept to fathom to be honest...no one is even saying he wouldn't be losing his very BEST friend, the best man in his future wedding. I'm just saying he's got 3, 4, 5, 6 other guys that he loves to be around and he's more comfortbale with GRIII not being around now than he was this time last year.
|2 days 10 hours ago||Huh?||
Where did I say that McGary leaving would make him feel better?
Not trying to be a dick, just confused...
|2 days 10 hours ago||Now...||
...is not the place to be sarcastic.
|2 days 10 hours ago||Link?||
Where do you see that? Link?
Because I think McGary IS coming back. People close to the program will tell you that the friendship thing with GRIII is overblown this year. Last year, abolutely, but McGary bonded with the "bench mob" this year and he's just as close to those guys (now) than he is to GRIII.
Where do you see McGary isn't coming back?
Or are you just making shit up to make yourself feel better like when Horford left and everyone said McGary WAS coming back so Horford left?
|2 days 10 hours ago||Actually no...||
Last year, absolutely it would've had an impact.
However, McGary is a lot closer with Spike, Dakich and the bench mob than many people realize.
And if they both were pro, they weren't playing together anyway.
If this was last year, I think McGary leaves because at the time he didn't have "best/best/BEST" friends that compared to his relationship with GRIII.
That isn't the case now. I think McGary stays and it has nothing to do with GRIII leaving/staying.
|2 days 10 hours ago||Welp, there's that. Hope Donnal is ready.||
Looks like next year's lineup is set without knowing what the freshman are going to do.
PG: Walton (30) / Albrecht (10)
That lineup is WAY too thin a C/PF (not that GRIII really changes much), and I'm not sure McGary can play 35mpg with the way he plays, that's a lot of minutes for a post player that relies a lot on energy and effort.
With that said, I think all three freshman end up playing 4 or 5 in this offense. I think Chatman will be a 4, Wilson a 4/5 guy and Doyle a 5.
So really it could come down to whether Irvin is ready to play big minutes. If he's not, I think you see more Albrecht/Walton/LeVert than people are anticipating.
|3 days 7 hours ago||I don't even know who the 2015 guys are...||
...now we're on to 2016.
Jeez, I'm getting old.
Hey Magnus. Help. Please.
Can you give me the 10-15, maybe even 20 guys I should be following right now (for 2015)?
I'm not saying the guys MOST likely to come to Michigan, just the guys with offers that we have a legit shot at.
For example, and a bad one because he's a Cass kid, but Damon Webb, we all knew him and followed his recruitment. Treadwell, McDowell, the Illinois TEs from last year.
The guys who were on our radar early, not guys like Green and Hand that kind of came out of nowhere over the summer.
You have a list of names? Even a link to a specific TTB page?
|3 days 7 hours ago||Charlton?||
I don't think too many people expect him to start over Clark or Beyer.
|3 days 7 hours ago||Clearly...||
Judging off your Ben Braden "joke" below...it is YOU that is believing all of the hype.
So it's YOU that thinks Braden was going to be the next Jake Long and Lewis is about to be Charles Woodson.
Good luck with that.
|3 days 8 hours ago||And way to have selective memory on Marlin Jackson...||
I can play that game too...
Remember when they moved Stevie Brown to LB and he had the BEST season of his career?
Remember when they moved Funchess to WR and was the most dominant WR in the league for 3-4 weeks before his own teammate took that crown back vs. IU?
Remember when Craig Roh to DL? Cam Gordon to LB? Dymonte Thomas to S? Heitzman to TE? Campbell to OL?
Position moves happen every year...sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.
This wasn't really even a position move, he's still a LB, they're changing the base defense to allow Ryan to be in the middle of the action vs. a step and a half late because the other team got an 8 yard head start.
|3 days 8 hours ago||They also switched the defensive scheme...||
You completely left that part out.
So now rather than Jake Ryan left out covering slot WR's he's in the action with two big guys in front of him (hopefully) keeping him "clean" by keeping the interior OL off him.
They're trying to put him in a BETTER position to succeed and do the things you're talking about.
Teams were just spreading us out and he was forced to play 8-10 yards off the LOS over a WR while they ran the ball down our throats.
How do you completely leave all of this out and assume the move is negative?
|3 days 8 hours ago||Actually I do, lol||
Not only was it reported on this very site...it was something told specifically to me. So yes, I'm no expect, I'm no coach, I'm no genius...but I DO know what I'm talking about when it comes to that.
Again, I'm not saying Darboh will get the spot back, I'm saying you're crazy for acting like he has no shot.
|3 days 8 hours ago||I agree...||
But he's acting like she's crazy for suggesting that it's even possible.
Like it's Chesson vs. Yeezus the message board poster for the starting WR spot opposite Funchess.
|3 days 8 hours ago||You're right.||
The coaches were purposely keeping the second coming of Dallas Clark on defense until they just couldn't take it anymore.
Bring out the 2 TE sets. Butt and Clark 2.0 should be a dangerous duo.
|3 days 8 hours ago||Especially now...||
They've pumped so much into the Polaris and Easton areas and now the Short North which used to be "the ghetto."
German Village, Arena District, Columbus sucks because it's OSU, but it's actually a great place to live. It's like Charlotte of the midwest IMO.
I've always hated that argument, people act like Ann Arbor/Detroit is widely considered a great place to live by many people from many different walks of life. I was born in Detroit, lived there until I was 7, family still lives there, moved to Ann Arbor, lived their until I was 15 and spent 3 years in Columbus before going to college and coming back "home" over the summers back to Columbus.
I can see why people would want to live in all 3 cities, but they're all completely different. Especially today.
I'll tell you this, if Columbus wasn't home to OSU...I wouldn't mind living in a city like that, it's got enough "city" for people like the city and plenty in the suburbs and surrounding area where if that's your speed you never have to go in the city.
I love Charlotte and hate Columbus, and it's only because Columbus is in Ohio and home to OSU.
|3 days 11 hours ago||With ND leaving the schedule...||
I have no problem with us playing one non-conference night game a year vs. a big name, but "meh" team and getting all "untraditional" with it.
Wear the all-maize uniforms, play your RAWK, (don't touch the helmet), and make it very teen/young adult friendly.
For every other game during the year, it should be traditional Michigan.
But give them their night...no problem with that. Play mid-level big names like UNC, Ole Miss, Washington, Cal, UVA, etc.
You say "why not play a major/top ranked/powerhouse school?" Because I don't think Michigan should be playing the Texas/Alabama/Florida/FSU/etc.'s with alternate/funky uniforms. Be MICHIGAN on those days...
But give the young folks one night and one game. I think it would be fun...rock out in the all Maize and go play a team people know, but aren't going to get upset over if they miss the game because they don't wanna be part of the younger atmosphere.
|3 days 11 hours ago||Well...||
That's what happens when you hire a coach that completely dismantles the style your program has been built on for years and then you fire him 4 years later and hire a guy to put it all back together.
Hoke for me gets one more pass this year, but I expect growth. I expect us to develop and get better with every game and by the time we play Ohio, I expect us to WIN.
Next year? No excuses. I've said this over and over and I won't post the potential depth chart (again) for 2015...but we need to win and win BIG. The schedule is in our favor and the roster is too. 2015 is a year where if someone says "undefeated" at least until the CFB Playoff, I'm not talking down the expectations.
And I said this yesterday, if Hoke isn't back next season, whoever comes in will have a roster built to win NOW. Just like Urban did when he took over.
And if that coach wins for 3 years and slowly fades, everyone will be talking about how he won with Hoke's players.
I also said this yesterday, some of you are embarassing. You're the type that would've fired Beilein after his 3rd year (he was 15-17) if you actually gave a shit about basketball at the time...which you didn't, because we weren't winning (but you care now...so, welcome back).
Hoke got a foundation that was almost as bad as what Carr left Rich Rod. Look at Hoke's first 2-3 recruiting classes, weren't they all like 23, 26, 21 players or something? I'm making those numbers up but I know at least the first 2 were HUGE. This was the first year Hoke didn't have big numbers in recruiting...that tells me we're finally getting older.
Yesterday I counted 48-52 guys (which makes sense when you talk about the 2 big recruiting years now that I think about it) that will be considered "experienced" after this season. That's crazy. That's an insane about of guys who will finally be in at least SOME reasonable role to help the team. A bunch of RS Freshman and RS Sophomore's.
These guys are finally going to play and get experience and this time next year you're going to look at the roster and see guys who've actually played football at Michigan. This time next year you'll not only know Smith vs. Green and Darboh vs. Chesson, but you'll know about Ben Braden, Matt Godin, Henry Poggi, Hurst, Strobel, Taco, RJS, Gant, Thomas, Hill, Clark, etc. Too many to name.
So yes, we're rebuilding...because Rich Rod had to tear everything down to get his style and then Hoke had to do the same for his. Urban Meyer didn't have to do that...he got Braxton Miller and Carlos Hyde from Day 1.
|3 days 11 hours ago||Or it'll be...||
Just like the fun Izzo is having in your profile picture...
|3 days 12 hours ago||You really do not have ANY idea what you're talking about, lol||
Have you ever seen Darboh block?
Have you even ever seen him play? Honest question.
Darboh was head and shoulders ahead of Chesson last year when the season began and he got hurt. He was the #2 guy behind Gallon. That is fact. Chesson was battling with Joe Reynolds to get PT (and he won).
She could easily be going off what she saw last year and thinking that Darboh has an entire summer/fall to get his spot back.
I'm not saying I agree, but you talk all big on here like it's a certainty. Meanwhile you have likely never even seen Amara play football.
|3 days 12 hours ago||How are LB shifts a negative?||
Do you know how this is going to turn out?
It certainly may not work...but you can't know that now. Especially when you have 5-6 guys who are pretty damn good and it's one of our deepest positions on the entire team.
It could be just fine. We actually have a legit 2 deep for once, same with CB.
Your statement is like me saying "CB is going to struggle because Roy Manning is their position coach." Ugh, how would I know that? CB is as good as it's been since Leon Hall and Marlin Jackson were on the same team. How do I know that the move to put Manning there is going to be a negative. I don't, thus I would never say such foolishness in April.
|3 days 12 hours ago||You're reading waay too much into the Spring Game||
I love how everyone is so selective in who they choose as a starter...
RJS is a starter because he started the spring game, but Ryan Glasgow is not.
How do we decide which Spring Game starters are "real" and which we dismiss?
|3 days 12 hours ago||It was the SPRING SCRIMMAGE...||
Again...copied and pasted.
I love how everyone is so selective in who they choose as a starter...
RJS is a starter because he started the spring game, but Ryan Glasgow is not.
How do we decide which Spring Game starters are "real" and which we dismiss?
|3 days 12 hours ago||He didn't start over him||
#1 It was the Spring Game...I supposed last year you thought Tom Strobel was a starting DL and Ryan Glasgow is this year.
#2 Countess was the starting Nickel, the 3 of them were on the field together much of the time. Countess moved to nickel LAST year a bunch of times when Stribling and Lewis came on.
|3 days 12 hours ago||lol...||
You REALLY think McGary would play PF and Donnal would be play C?
|3 days 12 hours ago||I was going to say that...||
...but I've been a HUGE Darboh fan from day 1. And I know for a fact that he was CLEARLY ahead of Chesson before he got hurt. I think Angelique probably knew that too and assumes he'll get his spot back.
|3 days 12 hours ago||Indeed.||
I believe he did the same with the safety spot too...
However, I was under the impression this was changing this year.
|3 days 12 hours ago||Regardless...||
He shouldn't be on the field over a 3rd WR anyway. I don't care what his weight is...he's just not good enough to warrant the snaps he gets just because he's the 1st or 2nd TE.
Outside of Jake Butt, NONE of our TEs (or FBs) warrant that.
Again, we (at least say we try to) put the 5 best OL on the field...we have Denard and we tailor an offense to him. But with everyone else it's like just give me the top guys at this position and we're going to roll with them. Who cares if the entire position isn't very good.
I think 1. Funchess, 2. Darboh/Chesson, 3. Canteen, 4. Norfleet is a more effective offense than 1. Funchess, 2. Darboh/Chesson/Canteen, 3. Heitzman, 4. Williams
When Butt returns I think...1. Funchess, 2. Darboh/Chesson, 3. Canteen/Norfleet, 4. Butt/Norfleet is a more effective offense than 1. Funchess, 2. Darboh/Chesson/Canteen, 3. Butt, 4. Heitzman/Williams
|3 days 12 hours ago||I think...||
...we're agreeing. lol
|3 days 13 hours ago||RJS||
What has he shown to start over Ross who was getting blown up by HUGE OL all last year because the DL couldn't keep the OL from reaching the 2nd level with ease...
|3 days 13 hours ago||....||
I won't say it, but same page. RB and TE/Special teams haven't been too great either.
|3 days 13 hours ago||Size isn't a factor at all||
Because he should be on the wide side of the field with Countess anyway. Taylor and Stribling should be your short side guys that you need in run support. They're plenty big.
Even without Peppers and when we go to nickel, Countess moves inside and Lewis stays on the outside.
I'm not worried about tackling for Lewis, I'm worried about him going up against big WRs on the outside...he held up just fine against Funchess so I'm really not worried about that either.
We're fine at CB. We should be worried about finding a safety combo that can attack in run support and not get beat deep.
IMO the defense will be just find if we can find 2 solid safeties...and I think we will. We have 4 guys for 2 spots and an entire summer and fall to get better and lock down those positions.
Hell we could have 5 or 6 guys if we move one 1-2 of the CBs to FS. It wouldn't shock me at all if Peppers came in and was the real deal that we move Countess to FS. If Peppers is legit, you have him at nickel, Lewis and Taylor as your starting CBs and Stribling as your first CB off the bench. Then Countess at FS and a bunch of other guys fighting for that SS spot. Not saying that happens, just saying I wouldn't be shocked. It was all depend on Peppers and the Lewis hype being true.
|3 days 13 hours ago||They're not...||
Morgan is playing WLB, Ryan is playing MLB and Ross is playing SLB.
Bolden and Gedeon play WLB and MLB and RJS, McCray and Gant play SLB.
|3 days 13 hours ago||Based off of what.||
One spring practice? A Bowl game?
Just curious what makes you say that since Countess has played so much more than Lewis who hasn't played enough to even formulate an opinion.
|3 days 13 hours ago||Mone too...||
He'll definitely have a say in the middle for us this year.
|3 days 13 hours ago||Illinois is getting new uniforms as well...||
...they're rebanding the entire University right now. I believe they're going back to the "traditional" style for everything. (No, not the logo...just the look in the jerseys).
I expect them to do something like Northwestern, simple, yet unique.
|3 days 13 hours ago||If they're tied...||
I got with Taylor, he has the experience. Lewis will still get plenty of snaps, Stribling should get a decent amount too.
If it were me personally, I'd just say Lewis backs up Countess on the wide side, Stribling backs up Taylor on the near side, Peppers is all time nickelback and only plays in that particular package until he masters it.
Assuming Peppers lives up to the hype, that's 5 guys I trust playing CB...if anyone is having an off day, we can put in a replacement with no drop off.
FINALLY our CB position is a bright spot besides just ONE guy.
|3 days 13 hours ago||Personally...||
I don't see why either would get significant minutes.
I'd prefer another WR on the field to either guy.
IMO, we should almost always be in 3 WR and 1 TE (or FB) sets.
Certainly there are times where you have to go big or empty it out, but that should be the majority of our personnel if you asked me. Guys like Canteen and Norfleet should be on the field over a FB or 2nd TE. Then you have Funchess, Chesson and Darboh rotating the majority of the snaps for the 2 outside WR spots.
It's always bothered me that Hoke always says he wants to get his best 5 OL on the field, but he doesn't do the same for the entire offense. Sure he may have his best FB on the field, but that FB may not be as good as your 3rd best WR.
I also wonder if we'll ever see Smith and Green in together at all.
|3 days 13 hours ago||They may not be at the same "position..."||
Lewis could be the 3rd CB and Peppers could be the "starting" NB...
Your 3rd CB doesn't always have to be your Nickel.
Mattison talked about how he thought moving Thomas around to 3 positions last year hurt his development. I wouldn't be shocked if the coaches just said "Peppers, you're the nickel, and that's it...period. If Countess or Taylor need to come out on the outside, Lewis is the first up, Stribling is the next guy after that."
|4 days 2 hours ago||I counted...||
48-52 guys off this lineup that will be considered "experienced" AFTER they get a full year in this year.
That is RIDICULOUS.
For all you bitching about firing Hoke. I'll tell you this, whoever coaches this team in 2015 is going to have a SQUAD! There is going to be some old experience and young experience, some very solid pieces on offense and defense.
If Hoke is fired in 2015...whoever is hired is walking into a OSU like situation that Meyer walked into.
This year we're still going to have growing pains, but in 2015, I don't care who the coach is...we should be ELITE.
Just because so many of your are fair weather fans, I hope Hoke wins at least 10 games this year with wins over his MSU and OSU and holds on to his job to coach this 2015 team...and I hope they do reach that ELITE status and you all eat your words.
IMO, this year's team is Michigan basketball in Burke's freshman year. Next year is when we should make that jump to the past 2 years of Michigan basketball. The elite level.
Half you guys would've fired Beilein after his 3rd year...(he was 15-17 that year) or even his 4th year (1st, don't call it 2nd round loss to Ohio). Now Beilein is a god.
He needed time to build his system. The Novak's and Douglas' had to grow up and better talent had to be added. Let Hoke get the Ross' and Bolden's to grow up and add better talent (Green/Smith/Peppers/Mone, etc.)...should be a ridiculous combination in 2015. If it's not and Hoke is the coach, he should resign himself.
|4 days 2 hours ago||What are you talking about?||
Green was starting at the end of the year...
The OL was bad for Fitz, Green and Smith. Who did you want back there a freshman Mike Hart? Sorry, it's not happening.
|4 days 2 hours ago||Isn't that what he's done?||
Other than take transfers...how has Hoke not done exactly this?
Keep crying though.
|4 days 2 hours ago||How could Michigan have Les Miles?||
Please share this inside information that apparently only you have.
|4 days 2 hours ago||It's pretty well understood that Harbaugh wasn't coming....||
It's pretty well understood that Harbaugh wasn't coming to Michigan. At least not for less than 6 million a year.
He wasn't leaving California.
The Miles arguement is also bullshit because there is NO guarantee he was coming.
You two are talking like you know exactly what happened...like you guys were in the room with Brandon.
Les Miles never said he was coming to Michigan.
In truth, we just picked a horrible coaching year when we hired Hoke. The choices were limited, we got unlucky.
But who's to say Hoke isn't going to have significant success at Michigan.
It's fans you two that would've run Beilein out too early.
Rich Rod left Michigan with some seniors and NOTHING else. He didn't lineman!
Rich Rod left Michigan in just as bad of shape as Carr left the program for Rich Rod.
We had to start all over from scratch unless we were going to run Rich Rod's offense, and even that wasn't going to work with no OL.
You guys have no idea what you're talking about...you can't expect a coach with 8 scholarship OL to do anything right away.
Then you look at what Meyer got at OSU, he got a QB HE WOULD'VE recruited ANYWAY! He got a experienced OL and a good defense. Hoke got Denard, Gallon, Lewan, Martin, RVB, Ryan, Demens and Kovacs. That's it. Maybe you can toss Schofield and Omameh and guys like that (Roh) on this list. Still that's nothing when you're completely changing the system.
The easiest way to judge Michigan in the Hoke era. What NFL players did he have to worth with? How much NFL talent were on these teams. Not much. Now look at what Meyer got - doesn't compare.
|4 days 2 hours ago||Many people say it's a Michigan/OSU battle||
So not a surprise if he ends up at Ohio.
|4 days 2 hours ago||Is it double speed?||
The video seems like it's sped up to me...
|4 days 2 hours ago||I love these write-ups...||
...but when you get to the bottom and the "vibe" is a 1, it's like...so who cares? He's got an offer and remote interest in Michigan.
I wish we had more content on guys that we have better shots at...I feel like at the point we generally have 10-15 guys that everyone is following (on top of the guys like this) no matter if they end up at Michigan or not.
There's no "focus" or "direction" this year...as fans, we almost never follow EVERY kid who has an offer. Rather, there are always a certain number of guys who we give more attention than the rest. Who are those guys in this class that we're pursuing the hardest?
|4 days 7 hours ago||Meet The Parents...||
|4 days 7 hours ago||No the don't...||
Put together 2 teams like I just did...I guarantee you'll see the GLARING holes.
Hell, just do the offensive line.
Defensively we were fine this year...offensively we were close. But we don't have 10 scholarship OL that are even healthy. WTF are you talking about?
What's the point of playing a spring game if you haver starters that are walk-ons that will never play? You may as well toss the managers out there too for some added depth.
People like you want to make acccusations and then you have NOTHING to back up your claim.
So, prove it. Please show me where we could've had a spring game full of scholarship players. Then show me any amount of significant experience.
We could've done 7v7 drills and been fine, we've always been fine at the skill positions (in terms of the depth, not quality)...but on the lines we've been horrid. At CB we've been HORRID, which is why this year is so amazing that we FINALLY have CB depth.
Was there even a TE on the team when Rich Rod left? Did Hoke get Koger for a year? Because we didn't have depth there either.
I call bullshit on anyone who thinks we could've had a legitimate spring game under Hoke - I call on them to make the teams as well. Then see what they're left with...you simply can't do it. You have to start putting walk-ons in key positions and that's not the same as what you all are watching on TV. They're not putting walk-ons to start the spring game. Either that or its a bunch of RS Fr who've never played and probably won't play this year either.
Again, if we don't get one next year...have at it, I just made a team and proved that we have enough depth to have a legit spring game next year. Especially when you take into account that many of those young guys (on the team I posted) are guaranteed to get significant experience THIS year. But I couldn't have done that the past 3 years.
|4 days 7 hours ago||I agree...||
But Furbush and/or Winovich may end up at WDE. I don't know if that is "impact," but it's certainly more than what you see above.
LB was pretty tough to forecast because truthfully you don't know where guys are going to play and how they're going to grow over the next year. I just put them at MLB because I had them at SLB before we switched the defense and I consider them Jake Ryan types who may grow into Beyer/Roh types.
|4 days 7 hours ago||Then don't go...||
It's a spring game, scrimmage or practice...I don't think anyone cares if you're there or anyone else.
I wouldn't say that for a regular season game, but I have no issues with people who don't want to go to a spring practice or scrimmage. If we're talking about a real game, then I wouldn't say that at ALL.
But why suffer through that shit we watched this year? I almost turned it off and I was watching from my couch. I can't blame anyone who did turn it off.
I just give Hoke the benefit of the doubt for these 3 years. IMO you need at least 13, preferably 15 scholarship OL to really have a spring game, a TRUE game. You don't have that and you're watching the equivalent of the Duke/UNC managers game before the real teams play the next night.
Now Hoke may not play next year, I'm not sure what his thoughts are on having a game when he has a full (experienced) team.
But if he doesn't I have no problem with anyone who bitches either.
Again, go back and look at the teams I put together, then think about how many of those guys will get KEY experience this season. After this year the majority of those guys will have played significant minutes. You can't say that today. They're all RS FR and SOs...but next year they will have real game experience.
Next year they will be RETURNING starters...not battling for a starting spot or significant snaps.
|4 days 7 hours ago||Let's look at what the OL whould've been THIS year...||
...how in the WORLD are Green and Smith supposd to run behind THOSE offensive lines in a real game?
Come on people, are we being serious? You want to sit around and watch a real game in which we have a new OC, and watch our RBs run behind, THIS?
Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather they just practice and get better.
Now if they would've went 1v1, 2v2, 1v1, 3v3, 1v1, 2v2, 1v1, 2v2, 1v1, 3v3....etc. then maybe, but then who is your 3rd team?
IMO, they should've practiced for the first "half" and then played 1v1, 2v2 and alternate for a real "game" but only play the 2nd half (in terms of minutes). I think that's the best compromise. But it's not a real game that is going to get us on ESPN.
|4 days 7 hours ago||Which were all better than this crap we had this year...||
Plenty of schools still do that weird scoring shit and don't have "real" games.
But at least it's a "real" scrimmage and it's two teams that were drafted or they go 1v1, 2v2, 1v1, 3v3, 1v1, 2v2, 1v1, 3v3...with the series, which is still better. They have first downs and move the ball down the field. They punt and everything.
We just ran 5-7 plays from one spot (most of the time) and then moved the spot. It was awful.
I think people are more upset at THAT then the formatting of the scrimmage/game/whatever.
|4 days 8 hours ago||2010||
Even if Michigan put together something like we did under Rich Rod I don't think there would be nearly as much complaining...
|4 days 8 hours ago||Yes we have...||
It may not be a full game like others, but we've had years that were more than just a practice like we've done under Hoke.
Especially when Mott got involved. It was certainly a game format even though no one knew how it was scored.
|4 days 9 hours ago||Because they're all young...||
Dymonte Thomas, Delano Hill, Brandon Watson...
Not even Jeremy Clark and Jarrod Wilson are seasoned vets...OSU and MSU have had 4th and 5th year players at the safety spot forever. If it's a 3rd year player, he's a 2 year starter.
Kovacs was a 4th and 5th year player when he was the Kovacs we grew to know and love.
|4 days 9 hours ago||2015 Spring Game (Maize vs. Blue)||
Obviously walk-ons would add depth to both teams...
Note: I used an old 2015 depth chart so some positions/years may be off...this still had Chris Bryant on it so it wasn't up-to-date, but I did the best I could. The potential early enrollees are added as well.
QB - Maize
QB - Blue
RB - Maize
RB - Blue
FB/H-Back - Maize
FB/H-Back - Blue
WR - Maize
WR - Blue
TE - Maize
TE - Blue
LT - Maize
LT - Blue
LG - Maize
LG - Blue
C - Maize
C - Blue
RG - Maize
RG - Blue
RT - Maize
RT - Blue
WDE - Maize
WDE - Blue
DT - Maize
DT - Blue
SDE - Maize
SDE - Blue
WLB - Maize
WLB - Blue
MLB - Maize
MLB - Blue
SLB - Maize
SLB - Blue
CB - Maize
CB - Blue
FS - Maize
FS - Blue
SS - Maize
SS - Blue
|4 days 9 hours ago||Harris...||
...looks a lot like Derrick Walton in the picture in that article...weird.
|4 days 9 hours ago||Stop the bitching...||
Michigan has not had enough depth to host a spring game...
...this is stupid to keep bitching about.
This year we FINALLY had enough depth on defense, but we didn't on offense.
Next year we will FINALLY have enough on both sides of the ball to have a REAL game. If we don't have a REAL game next year...feel free. I can look at next years roster and give you a decent 2-team format right now. Something you can't do this year because we have no OL.
|4 days 10 hours ago||Because||
I was suggesting that he should challenge the rule...
Not that hard to comprehend...but then again, in your case. Maybe it is. Good luck with that.
|4 days 10 hours ago||Brandon||
Who are the 5-10 guys that we should be paying the closest attention to because they could be making a decision in the next month or so?
|4 days 14 hours ago||Beat Everyone.||
Michigan never lose again - in anything (except the Ohio kid with cancer...keep losing at that every day).
|5 days 1 hour ago||Nice sample size...||
A game where Max B's size clearly helped him over Horford's length.
What about the first 2/3's of the year when you couldn't tell Horford and J-Mo apart?
When Horford was starting because Morgan was picking up his 1st foul too quickly. What about then?
A lot more of those games than the one we played versus a bunch of bulldogs down low that just lowered their shoulders and tried to run everything over like the Hulk.
Morgan and Max B were both build much better for that game, even before it was played.
But the B1G has more Cody Zeller's than it does Julius Randle or Jarnell Stokes...
Look at those guys from Wisconsin, look at MSU, look at pretty much everyone in the league. That's part of the reason J-Mo was so effective, there weren't too many guys like him.
|5 days 1 hour ago||Not nearly as athletic...||
And not nearly the post player of Morgan.
Much better outside shooter, but we don't need anymore of that.
Morgan at Max B's "age" showed flashes of what he brought this year, but he also missed a million layups and had hands of stone.
I'm not sure Max B has ever even dunked in a game since he's been at Michigan.
|5 days 1 hour ago||JuCo...||
He'll be the next Janoris Jenkins...he'll still be a 2nd round pick. Just wish he could get his shit together, he's a great WR.
Mizzou now loses both he and Washington. That's 13 feet of WR in 2 guys.
|5 days 1 hour ago||I understand that...||
...which is why I said he is ready...right now.
He can't go, but physically he should be allowed because he's definitely ready and someone would spend a 3rd round pick on him easily.
|5 days 1 hour ago||I know...||
Which is why I said...he is ready...right now.
|5 days 6 hours ago||It's in the Geneva Convention!||
Ha, love it.
|5 days 6 hours ago||Really?||
Zak and Irvin is WAAAY better.
|5 days 6 hours ago||I thought he played pretty well for 2/3 of the year...||
Game just went to shit in the last few regular season games and continues through most of the tourney run.
|5 days 6 hours ago||Supplemental Draft?||
He's NFL ready (physically)...right now.
|5 days 8 hours ago||My prediction...||
Horford to UCF to play for Al's old coach Donnie Jones.
Donnie knows Michigan as their best player Isaiah Sykes is from Detroit and was named after Isiah Thomas. UCF is about 2 hours from Gainesville I believe. UCF is the 2nd largest school in the country so they'll have no problem finding him a major.
Jones took Tom Herzog from MSU a few years back and he had a solid year.
UCF runs Horford's style of offense...and most importantly. UCF has plenty of PT to offer.
In my random prediction based off of nothing other than what I've put together...Horford to UCF. Book it.
|5 days 8 hours ago||My prediction...||
Horford to UCF to play for Al's old coach Donnie Jones.
Donnie knows Michigan as their best player Isaiah Sykes is from Detroit and was named after Isiah Thomas. UCF is about 2 hours from Gainesville I believe. UCF is the 2nd largest school in the country so they'll have no problem finding him a major.
Jones took Tom Herzog from MSU a few years back and he had a solid year.
UCF runs Horford's style of offense...and most importantly. UCF has plenty of PT to offer.
In my random prediction based off of nothing other than what I've put together...Horford to UCF. Book it.
|5 days 9 hours ago||IMO||
I wouldn't be relying on him to play too much more than last year. I think he can give us a consistent 5 mpg, but I don't think he gives us what Horford would've given us.
Hopefully we can find a 5th year guy who can come give us 10mpg (and REAL minutes, not BS minutes) and he, McGary, Donnal, and Max B can give us a solid post. Then GRIII, Irvin and one of the two freshman can give us solid PF play (with all of those guys playing some SF as well).
|5 days 9 hours ago||Frank Clark is only 6'2...||
...but in the words of J-Mo, he ain't gon get punked by nobody.
|5 days 9 hours ago||No.||
They were important in a sense because they were against KENTUCKY in the ELITE 8 and we weren't up or down by more than 10 points.
He had to play because our bigs were in foul trouble.
They were very important minutes.
It's not just because it was the tournament or because it was the Elite 8.
I'm sure he played the same amount or even MORE minutes vs. Florida last year in the Elite 8...those were not important minutes. We were up 20 points...it was completely different.
So I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
|5 days 9 hours ago||NYC does have traffic||
...I've lived there for 2 years. You don't drive BECAUSE of all the traffic. It may be cabs, public and private transportation...but it is traffic.
Lived in DC for 3 years, so I know they have traffic as well. LA, I have not lived in...but you just confirmed that, so 3 for 3.
|5 days 9 hours ago||Donnal playing the 5...||
Is like Smotrycz playing the 5...and we al see how that worked out. (I'm not complaining, because I thought the kid was a little full of himself...but I mean on the floor. It was a huge mismatch).
|5 days 9 hours ago||I can read just fine...||
...and I can read that he played 13.8 minutes a game this year and you're nostradamous and know he'll only play maybe 10 next year.
You also know that Donnal and Doyle are better than he is even though Donnal doesn't play his position and Doyle isn't even on campus. Max B is the only other player on the roster that plays the post besides he and McGary.
McGary-Horford-Doyle-Max B...those are your 4 guys that can play C. You start putting Donnal at C and he's off at some school like Maryland just like Smotrycz and complaining that he's out of position. He's a stretch 4.
So Doyle and Max B are going to take all these minutes from Horford? Come on.
You're assuming things. You would've had to assume the exact same thing about Morgan last year and you would've been 100% totally wrong. Which you are now.
|5 days 9 hours ago||StudentU would've been 10 times better||
At least they could've given some insight on guys who weren't football legends or returning starters.
|5 days 9 hours ago||He cited his reasons...||
...but wasn't J-Mo pretty successful this year in this offense?
If we beat L'ville McGary is tournament MVP in this offense - he was putting up numbers bigs across the country would KILL for.
I don't think TWO traditional bigs can be successful on the floor at the same time (for an entire season)...but one sure can. And even if Mitch comes back. Horford could easily get 17-20 minutes a game in this offense and perform quite well.
Hell JON HORFORD was performing exceptionally well in this offense. Remember MORFORD?
Every single game people would put up their combined stats vs. McGary and they were better. Horford was playing OUTSTANDING basketball.
So he cited his reasons, but I just disagree with them. I don't disagree with the transfer, do what's best for you. But I don't think his reasoning is valid because there is factual information to dispute it...and HE was part of that information until his game struggled at the end of the year.
|5 days 9 hours ago||Oh I completely understand...||
...especially when for 4 years they're telling you that your coach isn't using you correctly and you're a better player.
I understand and I wish him the best. I think the minutes and the offense argument are a little bogus, but that's just me.
I think GRIII has to sacrifice his game more than Horford does/would. But hopefully he gets a shot to play somewhere and play his game like he wants to. Maybe a school like UCF, Donnie Jones coaches his brother at Florida I believe and they're a growing program.
|5 days 10 hours ago||I don't see why he can complain about minutes...||
...he was playing like shit at the end of the year.
He wasn't complaining last year when he was starting over Mitch AND McGary. Or the bigging of this year when he and J-Mo were playing 20 minutes a game each.
What did everyone call them? "Morford?"
So clearly he was getting the time when he was playing well. His game went south, it happens, and unfortunately it was when we couldn't afford to wait for him to get it back...just like J-Mo last year.
Maybe if he struggled in the beginning of the year like Walton or in the middle of the year like Stauskas we could've stuck with him. Not during tournament time. Lose and you're done. You don't have time to "work things out" while getting blown out @ Iowa like we did for Nik.
I have no doubt he worked his ass off, Dan Dakich RAVES about how he always puts in the extra work.
If he does that for a summer, in this offense which is a DREAM for ONE post player (not two)...he could've been playing many minutes AND significant minutes.
I think he could've started next to McGary, but even if he didn't...McGary can't play ALL the minutes. He would've gotten his 16-17 minutes a game that he's referring to. Easily.
|5 days 10 hours ago||Good sign that he knows Mitch's decision||
Pissed that he was benched at the end of last year...
...he should've talked to J-Mo before making his decision, but whatever. Best of luck.
|5 days 10 hours ago||Then you probably shouldn't go to a Michigan blog...||
That's like me saying I'm tired of traffic jams, but I chose to live in NYC, DC or LA.
If you chose to visit a Michigan blog, you have to understand there are going to be things that the general fanbase is extremely happy and unhappy about.
If you visit MGoBlog you're going to have to hear about the history of the university, Woodson, uniforms and helmets. You're also going to have to hear about Al Borges, Rich Rod, and and our shitty offensive line.
If any of those things bother you, good or bad...maybe you should stop visiting.
|5 days 15 hours ago||You didn't read...||
I purposely didn't say "a lot" of minutes.
I said "important."
It's completely different.
|5 days 15 hours ago||Maybe 10 minutes a game?||
Based on what information can you make that statement?
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. He played 14 minutes a game this year...what can you show me that says he was going to play LESS next year?
Gosh, people like you are completely ridiculous. They just make shit up and think because they put it on the internet, it's true...because everything on the internet is true.
|5 days 15 hours ago||I have no problem being a dick in a case like that...||
I won't dispute you one bit. I was being a dick...I'm not usually a dick, but in this instance. ABSOLUTELY.
Because you made a COMPLETELY baseless comment and judged someone off of absolutely NOTHING. Especially the ONE player on the ENTIRE TEAM that EVERYONE knows isn't out there throwing an ego around.
That's like me saying "Jon Horford is transferring because he doesn't want to be around a bunch of thugs."
I mean, have you SEEN Michigan? Where are the thugs? That would be equally as false.
|5 days 15 hours ago||So what's the problem?||
If every other kid on campus can take a big loan...why shouldn't a D1 basketball player?
It says against future earnings if you read it. I take that as someone has to evaluate your worth. for someone like Nik Stauskas or Taylor Lewan...they're going to ge the full $50,000 and they'll be able to pay it back with ease.
For someone like Eso Akunne or Jack Miller, they're not going get approved for as big of a loan.
And why is that your problem? College debt is something the majority of kids in the country deal with...if a student-athlete wants to join them, so be it. It's not like you have to pay for it.
And why are they mutally exclusive...why can't you be 25 and washed up and have a degree from Michigan and a GREAT future in the "regular world?" Do you really think Stu Douglas and Zack Novak are going to play ball forever? No. What about a guy like Jordan Morgan...he may go play overseas for a few years, but when he's 25 and done...he's got a couple of degrees to slap you straight across the face with. He'll be A-ok.
|5 days 15 hours ago||Height doesn't mean shit...||
There are 6'9 guys that play SG...how tall is Wiggins? He's not a C, is he?
Donnal doesn't have the weight, muscle, or girth to play C. Where Morgan and even Horford to some extent could hold their own...Donnal is a CLASSIC Beilein stretch 4.
|5 days 15 hours ago||Not it's not...||
It's the old guys vs. their replacements...who I think are much better.
|6 days 5 hours ago||I actually...||
Have no problem with any of these...good for him for actually thinking about it. More than most can say on such a hot-button topic.
|6 days 5 hours ago||I'm so tired of someone always downplaying everything...||
You can't worry about ANYTHING on this site without someone chiming in telling you how silly you are for thinking "uh oh."
Devin looks like shit..."don't worry, he never does well in the spring."
Michigan football looks like shit..."don't worry, it was a young offensive line."
Horford transfers..."don't worry we have a sweet RS Freshman who redshirted this year."
Donnal has played like 2 minutes as a D1 player...I'm not going to rely on someone like that to play 30 all of a sudden. If he was that good, he would've shook the RS like LeVert did last year because if you didn't notice...we were VERY thin in the post this season. Max B was playing important minutes in the tournament!
Regardless if Donnal is great or not...having just he and McGary...assuming McGary returns is still thin.
Also, you lose the senior leadership. J-Mo brought that this year and EVERYONE saw how it helped this team. He was our glue.
Jon isn't that type of personality, but still, his experience is going to bring SOMETHING that Mark Donnal just doesn't have yet.
It is perfectly okay for anyone to worry...unless someone on this site right now can tell me Donnal is ready to play 20 minutes a game at the C position at an All-B1G level.
|6 days 5 hours ago||What is that exactly?||
A slow down game with 2 post players?
He would've stepped right into a solid role with plenty of minutes and plenty of oppotunities to play "his game."
|6 days 5 hours ago||An ego thing for Jon Horford?||
You're an idiot.
And I mean that so sincrely.
It has NOTHING to do with ego. You think Blake McLimans was ego too? C'mon. The guy may want a different vibe or scene. Maybe he didn't want to be the J-Mo of the team. Maybe he was tired of all the silly/goofy shit from McGary and Dakich, maybe it was one of literally a million different things...
|6 days 5 hours ago||Didn't he announce like a month ago...||
That he was returning?
|6 days 9 hours ago||Everytime I see Jon Horford||
...I think of this
|6 days 9 hours ago||That Horford picture...||
Needs to be MGoCaptioned...repeatedly.
|6 days 9 hours ago||3 for 3...then you mentioned Conan.||
|6 days 9 hours ago||Wow Late Night just got a HUGE upgrade||
Fallon and Colbert >>>>>> Leno and Letterman
|6 days 12 hours ago||Mine isn't cheerful.||
They're E! and TMZ with a sports slant.
Literally I could walk into their headquarters in Bristol and say "LeBron James is retiring after this year to focus on acting"
ESPN would break into coverage of the Master's and everything else with breaking news from this "source."
"Sources say" is bullshit...anyone can say anything and everyone on earth is a source.
Sources say doesn't make the source correct. But because it's a story like this, where it's VERY likely to end up being true...they get away with it.
DOUBLE BIRDS ESPN! DOUBLE BIRDS...AND some MGoSpluge all over you.
|6 days 12 hours ago||Sources Tell Me||
ESPN is whoring for even more attention.
|1 week 2 hours ago||Not even the people who panic about everything...||
Not even the people who panic about everything...have panicked about this.
J-Mo had a better chance of mysteriously returning for a 6th year than these guys not putting their names into the committee. Doesn't mean anything. Somewhat surprised Caris didn't too just so he could see where he was and what he needed to work on.
|1 week 2 hours ago||(No subject)||
|1 week 2 hours ago||When did he say that?||
After the UK loss?
|1 week 2 hours ago||Beat me to it..||
Seems like a match made in...well, a perfect match.
|1 week 7 hours ago||I don't hate that it's news...||
...I just hate that it's BIGGER news because of the media.
I see why it's a story, but at the same time...for someone like myself that has NO issues with it - it's like, okay, now let's just go play ball.
Then you have all these questions once it's given all this attention...Are we going to do this for every sport? Is there a line? Who makes that line? When is it not news anymore? Is someone keeping a tally? At this point should I care if I have no issues or opinions with it?
If people want to discuss...by all means, discuss. But for those who've discussed enough, are they now "bigots" or "ignorant" because it's no longer a big deal or any deal to them?
I guess that's where I am, I applaud the young man...all he did was tweet about it. He didn't ask for anything else. But now do we have to go through the pioneering storyline yet again?
For me, that's what bothers me. It's like rather than REAL discussion (like on here)...it's ESPN making it breaking news all day for 2 days. Then they'll recap the breaking news and compare it to the others who've done the same thing. Then they'll give the hisotrical perspective on OTL during the weekend. And then just when you think it's over...they'll ask LeBron James what he thinks about the situation.
At that point I'm like, OKAY, ENOUGH! I didn't feel any kind of way from the beginning, now I'm pissed just because I have to watch this shit for a week. Now you've brought all of these opinions out and someone has said something ignorant because they too are pissed about all of the coverage and didn't know how to handle it and now we have another uprising when everyone was cool at the beginning.
Reminds me of the Will Farrell/Old School scene "OKAY! EVERYONE! WE HAVE TO STAY CALM! NO ONE FREAK OUT! WE'VE GOT TO KEEP OUR COMPOSURE!!" and ESPN is Will Farrell and we are everyone else in the locker room, like "dude, okay, chill...we weren't all that hyped up to begin with."
|1 week 8 hours ago||On days like today...||
I'm even prouder to call myself a Michigan Wolverine. I'm proud to be a MICHIGAN fan. Because that means I get to call Michigan State a rival and I am HONORED to have MSU as a rival, I'm honored to have a closer connection with MSU than any other fan base outside of MSU can have.
Don't get me wrong for a second, I hate Michigan State. But that's the beauty in it, because I LOVE this rivalry, and I acknowledge that without them...there obviously is no rivalry. So at the end of the day. I can respect the rivalry, what it stands for, what it means to the people involved.
And on days like today I can put down the sword, stand a clap for my rival.
Same with OSU who has the young man that beat "Michigan." I have NO problem with that. I hope he beats Michigan every single day of his long, healthy life. If the rivalry gives him 1% more strength to fight, fight on my man. Fight on.
What I also love about this rivalry is that just as much as it's about sports and about the universities themselves, it's even more about the people affected. So as much as today is about Michigan State and even Michigan to some extent...it's not about either school at all. It's about a beautiful little girl who touched so many lives and made this world a better place.
May little Lacey rest in peace, may her family find peace and happiness knowing that she did more in 8 years than some people could do in 8 lifetimes. She was an inspiration to so many of us and I salute my rival for bringing her story to the forefront, because there are far too many Lacey's in this world...but without Payne, Dawson and MSU, I may never have learned of THIS one.
I'm blessed and better for it. Thanks Lacey - thank you, forever.
|1 week 1 day ago||Then give it right back to us...||
Because we lost McGary and we beat UK with McGary, without question.
The answer is...
1. Michigan - CLEARLY (win the conference by 3 games, runner up in the tournament, Elite 8)
|1 week 1 day ago||I hope someone from BTN reads this...||
...because I thought it was exactly THIS bad.
I seriously feel like BTN should've issued an apology when it was over.
Also, I didn't know Marcus Ray was on the field, that explains why he was COMPLETELY out of breath for a 2-3 minute stretch, he could barely talk - but he kept talking.
|1 week 1 day ago||...and Jackson...and Ferrigno||
|1 week 1 day ago||This love affair with Gardner is getting ridiculous...||
His INT was his WR's fault, Morris' was his own. Morris was hardly better.
Again. NO ONE is comparing the two except Brian and Coach Hoke.
And why does Gardner get an excuse on literally EVERY single thing he does? It's the OL fault. It's his WR fault. It's never Devin's fault.
Brian saw that ND game last year and the Ohio game and that IS Devin Gardner, anything else, anything bad...that is someone else in Devin's body or that's the fault of someone else around Devin.
Come ON. Give it a rest. Fact. He's NOT a great QB, he can play that way at times, but he can play awful at times too. That is what we have right now. That's not saying he's going to always be this will decribe his play next season...but up until today, THAT is Devin Gardner.
The excuses and obsession with the Hokespeak of a QB competition is out of control.
The justification of Gardner playing bad that he was in a boot for months and just now got out on the field and started working with a brand new OC is WAAAAY better than "it's the other guys fault and oh by the way...he's better than the guy everyone is comparing him to, without question, so stop talking about it, wait I'm the only one talking about it?"
Is it even possible to bring Gardner up without bringing up Morris? I think so. But then again, I also think that he's wildly inconsistent and his play thus far is average once you take all the good and all the bad. But that's just me.
|1 week 1 day ago||That's not what I said...||
I said it's part of his job. Plain and simple.
Don't twist my words so you can cry some more.
|1 week 1 day ago||Sweet||
But we're talking about the University of Alabama and Chad LINDSAY.
|1 week 1 day ago||I love Caris||
But I don't see it...I just don't think he's going to get significantly better than he already is. Which isn't a bad thing, but I think we've seen a good amount of what he can do. Unlike Robinson, who I think will continue to get better. I think Caris and even Nik have shown just about everything they're going to show. It doesn't mean they're not GREAT...Stauskas is a top 15-20 draft pick, that's pretty damn good. But I think most of us agree he's not going to get THAT much better.
I see Caris in the same light, I think he obviously needs to return to have a main role, to get bigger and to get experience. But talent wise I don't see him going to some crazy level...I just see him refining his skills and raising his draft stock in other areas (notably, experience in a leading role and size).
|1 week 1 day ago||Brian...||
I think you talk QB controversy more than anyone on this board...I think we all agree with you. Hoke gon Hoke, it's okay man.
Now that doesn't mean we believe Devin is any better than last year, Morris didn't get better this offseason or Devin can't be replaced (unlike last year until the injury). But Devin is and will be the starter until he starts filling the W/L column, that's a given.
|1 week 1 day ago||I have more important news||
My dog...yes my dog. Finished in the 99th percentile on ESPN.com Tournament Challenge.
I believe he may be the only bracket to pick the Mercer upset and the UConn national champion.
|1 week 1 day ago||Happens to me every now and again...||
After the 3rd or 4th time, I wanted to throw my computer out of the window so now whenever I type anything long, I may sure to select all and copy it. That way if it happens I can paste it right back.
|1 week 1 day ago||Why are some of you guys so nostalgic?||
Sure he was a great player and he brought the Pistons the 2004 title, but he's been a failure at his job since then.
He's gotten paid A LOT of money and this is part of the job. It's not like he didn't get a fair shot. It's not like he can't feed his family. It's not like he's all of a sudden Will Smith from Pursuit of Happiness.
Why should ANYONE shed a tear for Dumars? Why should fans not be allowed to celebrate the change?
This is a grown man who was GM of a major sports team in America. This wasn't some 3rd grade teacher getting paid 25k a year. This wasn't me or you who aren't even close to a position, and likely a salary like Dumars had.
It's part of his position. It's part of the game. He knew when he signed up, he was going to make millions of dollars, have a shit ton of responsibility and be judged on the performance of the team he put on the floor.
Did he not get enough time? Was he not compensated fairly? What is so unjust that people can't rejoice in the change? Joe Dumars losing his job is not the same as everyone else losing their job.
It may be in poor taste, but is that REEEALLY the most distasteful thing in sports or on MGoBlog? No. Doing a Tuesday morning happy dance to this news is not. It comes with the territory - especially in sports - especially in professional sports.
|1 week 2 days ago||I hope J-Mo become the MGoBlog banner||
And we change that ugly font.
|1 week 2 days ago||Would love to know how that conversation went...||
Here's to hoping Peppers create his own legacy that rivals Chuck.
|1 week 2 days ago||Why would you bring in Avant?||
Other than locker room precence?
With the Rookie Contract scale you can get the same WR, who is young and for half the price.
The Lions don't have a boat load of cap room, there is no point in getting another FA WR.
|1 week 2 days ago||I don't know what this thread is about...||
...I rarely skip the OP, but this is one of those times.
I'll just say this. These guys from UK are AWESOME.
BUT! There will never be another Fab Five.
Culturally it is literally impossible for UK or any other group in the future to even be compared to THE Fab Five.
On the court, sure...go for it. But don't call them the Fab Five because the Fab Five were more than just basketball. They changed SO much in college sports and culture period. So much about the Fab Five has NOTHING to do with sports. In the same way you can look at Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods' legacy off the playing surface and see an impact (just not to that degree, obviously).
|1 week 2 days ago||I know I made the observations thread...||
...but THIS is something that COMPLETELY doesn't matter until the fall.
Wait til everyone is healthy and they all go through the summer workouts and fall camp. This will look completely different.
And this is coming from the guy that LOOOOOVES depth charts. And you all know that.
I don't see how someone could tell me Canteen is the #1 outside WR when he lined up in the slot during the spring scrimmage and Devin Funchess was clearly outside and Gardner's #1 target all day.Chesson was the other outside WR and Canteen was entrinched as the #1 slot. All 3 were on the field together a ton.
Anyway, I'm not going to worry about the depth chart until at least halfway through camp. And even then, unfortunately because Hoke doesn't release anything...you still won't know.
Then factor in that early non-conference games are when guys get benched for doing something dumb over the summer, coming to fall camp fat/out of shape or not playing to their abilities...and you STILL don't really get a lineup from a Hoke coached team until like Game 3.
|1 week 2 days ago||I love that one||
Especially when they all go crazy right before he says "then they better stay down!"
|1 week 2 days ago||I don't blame her...||
One guy at the paper...their Drew Sharp, has been after her job since the day she arrived. It's pathetic.
So yeah, she probably does want them to fold. I don't blame her. She can't get caught saying it, but it doesn't mean she shouldn't feel that way.
|1 week 2 days ago||The smile on Beilein's face||
I believe it was after the Kansas game...but it gets me every time.
And then when Woodson slides into the picture and J-Mo isn't paying attention until the last second and he points at him like "OH SHIT! THAT'S CHARLES WOODSON!" and then poses again with everyone else. I always get a kick out of that. Especially with Morgan being from Detroit and knowing exactly who it is.
|1 week 3 days ago||This is one of the best video I've ever seen||
I always complain that clips don't make sense or the they don't match the music...you did both beautifully. Random clips or random ordering can completely ruin a video no matter how good it is. This was incredible.
This sums up the past two years of (tournament) Michigan Basketball perfectly with smiles and tears. I love both of those teams, I don't expect us always to get to the Elite 8...but I hope we always have a great group of guys, who play hard, get the most out of their abilities, represent the University well, and have fun.
Watching Michigan Basketball the past two years has been like watching your all-time favorite TV show. Even though you know how it ends...part of you wants to go back and start it all over and do it again. I know I would. It was just SO much fun.
It's GREAT. To BE. A MICHIGAN WOOOLVERINE!
Thanks again man, this was special. Hope you get some credit or recognition for the job you did.
|1 week 3 days ago||What if he loves college?||
I don't know anything about his gf...but what if he doesn't want to leave her until she graduates?
What if he REALLY wants what could be his best shot to win an NCAA title?
What if this is REALLY the best time of his life?
He should make the best decision for him...but it's not always about draft stock and money for everyone. Especially someone from Nik's background...if you've watched those youtube videos, his family is doing just fine.
Florida had a bunch of guys return and they won a national championship. Noah was going to be the #1 overall pick and he came back. UNC had a bunch of guys return too...and they too won a national championship. IMO, if everyone comes back for one more year at Michigan. We've got to be one of your 2-3 teams most likely to win the whole thing next year.
|1 week 3 days ago||Please stay!|
|1 week 3 days ago||I dislike||
The guys who get all sensitive because people may complain about something.
Why can't there ever be a middle ground? Is the world coming to an end? No. We won 7 games last year with a young team and we're probably better.
Is this a great team? No. We were awful last year by our own standards and we haven't done or shown anything other than hire a new OC to give us hope on the future.
We don't have to sit around like "we suck." But we also don't have to act like everyone is just fine either.
Neither is true. But we can point our our flaws and discuss how to get better. And if that's what people chose to focus on rather than pointing out our bright spots and stroking each other...so be it.
Our Head Coach is the one who said "THIS IS MICHIGAN." And until we're back at that national "BCS" level year in and year out...I don't see anything wrong with fans discussing the things that need to be fixed.
Look at basketball. They've had success and people don't do that nearly as much...and when people do, it's either blantantly obvious (like we don't play defense or rebound) or 10 people jump all over that 1 person and tells him/her to STFU (like when someone complains about turnovers for a team that typically never turns the ball over).
After basketball games I don't even think they had "snowflake" threads anymore...it was just posbang and 3-4 silly appreciation threads. And it's not like we played perfect, but people enjoyed watching Michigan Basketball and appreciated guys giving their all. Even after losses people were more "tame" than they are here.
Difference is here, we have a coach that set a standard...one we agree with because, well, This Is Michigan. We have some great recruits, solid talent and potential. And all across the country we see exceptions to our issues and wonder why we can't "have what they have" (for lack of a better term).
So I completely understand why people are unhappy. Michigan football hasn't been anything special since 2006 except for Hoke's first year and Carr's last game. Meanwhile MSU or OSU have had things to cheer for, particularly wins over Michigan.
So if people want to sit around and discuss what is wrong, go for it, that's the point of a message board. And right now there is more wrong with football than right with football. So it's going to be more negative. That's to be expected.
But I suppose we could all put on our maize and blue glasses, hold hands, and talk about all the wins, championships, and history and just forget about the present team until it's elite again.
|1 week 3 days ago||Yet clearly you can't say anything bad about them...||
...because Ray played at Michigan.
If he had no ties to Michigan and was just another BTN analyst, people wouldn't be so bent out of shape. But because he is Marcus Ray, he was great.
It was almost unbearable, they had no idea what they were talking about at times. One sequence made me laugh...Ray was trying to list off all of the WRs and he forgot Darboh, the other guy chimed in and reminded him and he goes "oh yea" and lists off the WRs again and forgets Darboh again and names either Chesson or Canteen twice.
But I'm not even referring to that, just moreso that knowledge of the guys on the field. I don't think you can expect the average announcer to know. That is why I think bringing in a Brian, TomVH or Sam really helps because they do it for a living and know every player on the roster and can give you more than just the fluff.
Plus I think it would be cool to have a BTN announcer and a "local" guy for all of these spring game deals. Not permanently, just one time a year when it's ONLY that team. At least they know how to pronounce the names correctly and they can give some insight on the younger guys. Guys like Hurst and Poggi or Dukes and York. I'm not even sure those kinds of guys were ever even mentioned.
|1 week 3 days ago||Watch with the volume down...||
The commentating is awful.
|1 week 3 days ago||*Dakich||
There is no t.
|1 week 3 days ago||Lighten up...||
You know this isn't a real thing...right?
You know the national player of the year is, umm, white...right?
|1 week 3 days ago||One more thought...||
I know it's Marcus Ray...
But the announcers were AWFUL! I think for these types of things where you're getting so deep into the depth chart that they should recruit guys like Brian, Ace, TomVH and Sam. At least they know what they're talking about and they can speak to the younger guys and the guys who are currently running with the 3's.
It was brutal listening to the guys, but I couldn't turn them off because the camera angles were so tough at times I needed them to call out the names or numbers on a few plays.
|1 week 3 days ago||Relative term.||
I, too, saw improvement...I even said that many times 4 guys were doing what they needed to be doing, but it would be just ONE mistake by ONE guy that would ruin everything.
That is an improvement from last year which often had multiple guys screwing up.
Last year's line was a D...what I saw today was a D+, maaaybe a C-. Not enough plays to really call it anyway.
Still, that's not good enough. A Michigan line should NEVER, EVER be worse than a "B-." We never have "an average OL." Our down years should be "good, solid."
So yea, I don't know about 3-5 yard gains, but I saw plays that would've be -2 last year turned into +2.
A 4 yard swing is a big deal...but in this case it's awful to simply bad.
|1 week 3 days ago||It'll be reaired tonight||
I believe at 8:30pm on BTN.
|1 week 3 days ago||I don't know why I'm responding to this...but I will. I'm bored.||
1. Because we still don't have the depth. I think we will next year because we'll have 2 QBs, 2 experienced RBs, enough WRs and most importantly...enough scholarship OL. Next year we should be deep enough to finally have a full game. You can't blame Hoke on this...blame Rich Rod who didn't recruit OL enough. Defensively we could've played a full game THIS year.
2. Because if you can't have a full game, you still need the practice. Especially with a 1st year OC. Isn't this the same question as #1? If they're not going to play a game, what do you expect them to do? Knit? A play? An organized dance?
3. You clearly weren't watching yesterday because they did dominant...that is why everyone is saying basically "I know they played well, but I'm not going to give them any credit because the offense (or OL) is terrible." You do know that they can't hit the QB...right?
4. Because that's what he does...it's not going to change. No need to bitch about it. Water is wet and Hoke doesn't share internal thoughts. Next!
5. Jeez, let's get through this season first! 2015 is truly the make on break year if you sat and broke down the team and the schedule. If we don't win in 2015, Hoke should be gone. Now he's got to make it to 2015 and 7-6 ain't gonna do it. But 2015 is the year. But if he doesn't...no Hoke will have left the team in GREAT shape unless we hired someone who wants to run the QB 30 times a game. We'll have depth, quality recruiting classes, and senior leadership...assuming they all stay.
When Carr left, Rich Rod had nothing to work with, when Rich Rod left, he only left 1 years worth of talent for Hoke (some of whom, Carr recruited)...regardless of the coach next year (2015) we will be upperclassmen heavy with some highly recruited talent waiting in the wings.
|1 week 3 days ago||Ah, didn't know that...||
He's a Spike Albrecht.
Nonetheless, he looked solid for his classification in college.
|1 week 3 days ago||If I was smart enough to find, cut and embed the video I would||
I specifically watched HIM on numerous plays.
I saw a lot of him just slap fighting with his man. He got no push, the RB (Green) would run into the both of them and the 3 of them would fall down for a yard or two.
I saw him slide down on the line when he was supposed to be sealing and he just grazed 2-3 guys on the DL and didn't make any impact.
We ran the same play when it was 2's vs 2's (or 3's) and the RG in Kalis' position BURIED the DL and Smith cut back for a NICE 9-10 yard run. Exact same play. Kalis did the basketball end of game hi-five line...the other RG (I believe Bars) sealed everyone off. Granted, against lesser competition - but he did was he was supposed to do.
For a 5* guy with personal training from NFL guys and all the hype in the world...I just don't see it. I'm not ready to close the book on the kid, he's a RS Sophomore in his 2nd year. But I haven't seen anything to date that says "give him one more summer and he's going to be All-B1G."
I'd like to see him be more physical, I'd like to see some push, I'd like to see him at least control his man so when Green run's behind him...he can get BY him and it's just not a circle of big bodies slamming into each other. Even if he doesn't get a push, control your guy and seal him so Green can get a hole. If Derrick just runs into you at that point, that's his fault. But right now there is no hole to the left or right of Kalis because it's just two guys hugging each other.
|1 week 3 days ago||That's my point.||
Even though he's a 5th year senior, he's not THAT experienced. You'd expect him to continue improving (unlike other 5th year guys who've maxed out their potential).
I would expect him to improve just as much as I'd expect Morris to improve. I used a made up rating analogy that if you thought DG was a 7 last year and Morris was a 5. DG is still a 7 and Morris is a 6 or 6.5.
I expected Gardner to be an 8-8.5 this spring...at LEAST.
Again, I think a shotgun oriented offense is going to be best for him. Allow him to see the field and make the easy through. Also get him away from the OL which isn't up to par. Some quick and medium throws and then try to hit Funchess or Chesson deep to stretch the field.
That said, you need a summer to build timing...AND you have to catch the ball. Funchess can't be dropping those slants because 2nd and 5 becomes 2nd & 10 too easily.
Just wish we had (at least) the QB to protect the OL woes or an OL to protect the QB woes.
This team is clearly going to have to rely on defense...so all I want is an offense that can sustain a drive and not turn the ball over. But Gardner doesn't make the best decisions and our offensive doesn't get a push...so 0 for 2 on that #WishfulThinking.
Even with that, there is no expectation for the offense to carry the team. Just protect the ball, score when you can, punts aren't bad, win like OSU used to under... *gulp* Tressel.
|1 week 3 days ago||What a shitty excuse.||
#1 He didn't even play under his 1st OC
#2 He's a 5th year senior...some of the mistakes he makes has nothing to do with the OC. His accuracy is also wildly inconsistent.
Sure he's going to have some growing pains under a new OC, the entire offense will. On one play we would've gotten a clear delay of game because a WR wasn't lined up correctly and the officials allowed him to run around until the coach put him in the right spot. On another play Canteen moved on and off the LOS like 3 times and even widened his split. One another play our QB turned one way and the RB went another.
THOSE are issues with a new OC (and freshman).
For a QB, if it was just some timing issues or new routes and concepts...no problem. That comes with time. But the OC has nothing to do with Gardner throwing EXTREMELY late to the outside 3 times in one very short scrimmage.
I don't think anyone that is disturbed or complaining or whatever about DG is worried about new OC growing pains. I think they're all worried about pure fundamentals of a QB that haven't gotten any better. I think they're all worried that Devin hasn't really improved a ton like you'd expect someone that is still somewhat new to the position. It's not like he's AJ McCarron out there and he's just not going to get better because he's as good as he's going to get. He's basically a Junior out there, this is generally where guys take "the next step."
Hopefully that comes over the summer, but I would've liked to have seen a few signs that say "progression." I saw that with Morris, Green and Smith, I saw that with F. Clark, Henry, Lewis and Stribling. I even saw it with guys like Chesson, Godin and Strobel. I did not see any "flashes" from Gardner that say "okay...give him a summer and a fall camp and he's going to be on another level."
Just my opinion.
|1 week 3 days ago||Blogger Darker Blue||
Blogger Darker Blue needs to stop talking in the overused 2011 cat meme/childspeak "blog language."
You should've inserted the fist pumping baby or the Willy Wonka smirk...then I would've known you were joking.
|1 week 3 days ago||That is about reps...||
Hoke and Mattison are notorious for sitting out guys that "they already know what they give us." So they move them down in the spring scrimmage to give other guys reps. Remember last year how much Strobel and Taco played?
They especially do this on defense because we rotate so many more bodies than we do on offense. This gives guys a chance to go against our 1's on offense.
Offensively, you have to leave guys out there to build a chemistry. So it's harder to just pull a piece out.
I never look at the depth chart on defense, I just look at who's playing and more importanly, who they're playing against.
For example, Lewis had at NICE pass breakup...and it was against Funchess. That's big time.
Willie Henry got in the backfield Clowney style and looked like a Suh...but it was against a 3rd or 4th team walk-on LG. So "meh."
Henry also made 2-3 other big plays vs. better competition, but I was using those two plays as an example.
|1 week 3 days ago||No. It's not. Not even close.||
It's me understanding why there is talk of a competition.
A conclusion would be "Morris is the better quarterback" or "our offensive line sucks again."
THAT is a conclusion. I didn't say either of those.
I also see why there is hype around Mason Cole. I didn't say that would make him the starter or make a prediction like he's the next Jake Long.
I know that it is April as well. You can be a dick about it if you want, on MGoBlog, the bigger dick often is viewed as correct. This is not one of those cases. We ALL should wait until the fall to make conclusions, hell, we should probably wait until the non-conference is over.
That doesn't mean you can't state your observations for what you see thus far. That doesn't mean what you see now can't potentially provide indicators on what you'll see in the future.
It's not like EVERY guy on the team is a true freshman or 1st/2nd year player. Some guys, we've seen them play like the way they're playing for 3 years...we have data to say "okay, this is the player we have and it's likely not going to change." You can sit around and think that everyone is going to vastly change or improve, but often that's not the case. Often guys like Josh Furman just aren't very good...you can wait and wait and wait. Taylor Lewan is never going to stop committing dumb penalties...I had 3 years of proof, but you're always "waiting until the fall" or "waiting until next year." They are what they are sometimes. Call a spade, a spade. And it doesn't always have to be negative, but those of course are the easiest examples.
So no. That was NOT a conclusion. Not even close.
|1 week 4 days ago||Hmmm....||
You missed UTL2? Or the OSU game last year?
Gardner has played EXTREMELY well in spots. But again, I don't think anyone is asking for him to be that for a full season or even a full game.
As I just said below...I just want him to limit mistakes, take care of the ball, and score when he can. We don't have to be explosive on offense. If we win like OSU used to under the coach with the sweatervest...whatever, that's fine by me.
But give the D some rest and some green behind them to work with.
|1 week 4 days ago||I agree.||
And a couple other times he could/would've pulled it.
But even some of his clean throws were completely off. Twice he had Funchess on a slant and the first time Funch went low to catch the ball and Devin overshot him and the second time Funchess stayed up and shielded the CB and Devin threw it at his feet.
That's a timing route so I'm not AS concerned.
But the INT was bad. And there were 4-5 other throws in there that were very 2013.
|1 week 4 days ago||Exactly.||
If this was 5th year senior Taylor Martinez with that funky delivery...I'd just be like "okay, this is our QB...let's live with it for one more year and put the best players we can around him. He's not going to change."
Martinez wasn't getting any better. Period.
Gardner has shown a 1st round NFL Draft talent at QB. And he's also shown a guy that should be moved to WR.
It's so frustrating because the potenital is there. And as much as I want to see him be that 1st round NFL guy, I'll just settle for a talented kid who doesn't make mistakes, learns and gets better, and makes plays. I'll settle for Dennis Dixon. A guy who was damn good in college, got better throughout his career, but ended up being a 5th round pick and a career backup in the NFL.
He looked like literally the exact same QB today. He made some nice throws and he made some of the worst throws you've seen since the Sheridan years. He didn't look to comfortable and he couldn't really pinpoint the ball like he needed to.
Again, we have big guys that don't get a ton of seperation. You can't throw low when they need it high or vice versa.
I just hope his decision making and accuracy improve this summer/fall. If this was all just chemistry, I'd be more more positive because that'll come over the summer. But this was his decision making and accuracy...it didn't matter if it was a freshman or Jeremy Gallon. No one was catching some of those balls he threw.
|1 week 4 days ago||Agreed...||
...but the defense is supposed to be ahead of the offense. Or at least that's what "they" say.
Even with that said, the defense looked improved in a bunch of areas no matter who was on the other side of the ball. The aggressiveness was better, a lot better. I HATED watching our defense last year. We played so damn soft and he just waited for the other team to make a mistake.
We seem to be looking to force plays now. I'm a fan of that.
I'm also a fan of Frank Clark running around like a mad man. A LB group that may be the best since the early/mid 00s. And CB depth...FINALLY!
I also like that we seem to have some TALENT instead of just bodies. We may have some NFL guys out there...some first half of the draft guys.
It's way to early to tell, but this defense could be pretty damn special. Not '97 special, but certainly the best I remember in quite some time. They've got to continue to improve over the summer/fall though, but they're getting there. After last season, I'm not sure I could've asked for more.
Just wish I could say the same about the offense.
|1 week 4 days ago||I'm not drawing any conclusions...||
I'm making observations and some predictions.
I'm usually the voice of reason after the spring practices and spring game...but some things are pretty obvious.
I mean Gardner's first pass was very similar to the panic passes he threw last year.
I watched with my own eyes Mason Cole get driven back into the QB, but manage to stay on his feet and between the QB and the DE (Frank Clark).
I noticed Green's burst that he didn't have last year.
I noticed Heitzman rumbling down field on a pass play not even looking to catch the ball, just for someone to hit...and he ran into a LB and a S. I laughed.
I didn't notice anything from the FB or H-Back position...and I mentioned that.
It was observations and thoughts. No one is saying "this is how it is going to be because this is what I saw."
|1 week 4 days ago||No one is panicking||
That's such an overused message board meme whenever someone makes an observation that isn't all roses.
It's clealy limited data...I'm not drawing any conclusions, but based on what I've seen, read, heard...those are my observations.
Do you have any for the good of the cause?
|1 week 4 days ago||And name these contradictions...||
Because I think that comment was full of shit.
|1 week 4 days ago||I agree...||
But I wasn't saying who's game I liked better.
I just said Caris isn't going to increase his stock that much and be a top 5 or 10 draft pick. You all act like being #20 is something to be mad at.
You all also fail to realize that A LOT of guys including our very own THJ LAST YEAR get passed over and outplay guys taken ahead of them.
LeVert could be that same player. But I don't think he's a lottery pick even if he has a better career than half of the guys taken ahead of him.
|1 week 4 days ago||I said that's his game.||
I didn't say he was as good as either of those guys.
Reading comprehension is key on a message board or blog. Use it.
People compare Doug McDermott's game to Larry Bird...no one has ever said he was as good as Larry Legend.
Read. Think. UNDERSTAND.
|1 week 4 days ago||You can disagree||
But I'm telling you right now Caris isn't going to get THAT much better.
Not NBA top 10 better. I'm already calling him a pick around #20, so that's a pretty damn good basketball player.
But there is nothing that says "oh yea...he's going to get significantly better and be a top 5 NBA player." Just like Stauskas right now if he came back.
Can both guys improve? Sure. But neither is going to turn himself into a top 5 pick.
|1 week 4 days ago||Welcome to 2014.||
|1 week 4 days ago||I'm a sucker for his excitement...||
But he's so full of himself...it's all about HIM.
He even picks the jersey combinations every game and has to have a say in their design.
|1 week 4 days ago||Exactly.||
I've been using both of these examples for 6-7 months now.
IMO, it's simple. He should go UNLESS THIS (the teams that you both spoke of) is what he's hoping to acheive.
All that other stuff is obvious and clear as day.
At the end of the day Stauskas should leave and go to the NBA unless he truly loves college and desires to have the best shot at an NCAA championship anyone is ever going to have (preseason). This of course assumes GRIII and McGary come back too.
|1 week 5 days ago||I think it meant||
It was a Hoke suggestion for this year...but you're right, poor wording.
I'm not as worried about it. Both are great coaches IMO, I expect our secondary to be extremely well coached this season.
I'm not as worried about the defense except for the DL unless Hoke and Mattison are still helping out. Coach Smith has something to prove IMO.
Offensively, obviously Funk has a lot to prove, I think Ferrigno does just as much because our special teams are below average in the return game and our TEs can't block to save their lives. Jackson is the other one, love him as a coach and a man, but I just think it's time to get some youth at that spot to energize the offense the way Manning does the defense.
If we fail to meet expectations again this year...I'm looking at these four position coaches and the Hoke is next. Hopefully we have a great year and everyone looks like a HOF coach.
|1 week 5 days ago||Well...||
When you think about it...Hoke always put an emphasis on captains and on the seniors...
Our defensive captain wasn't a senior and missed half the year. Q is improving his speech by the day, but doesn't talk. Black was never the overly vocal type. Everyone else in the back 7 returns except Thomas Gordon...and he wasn't vocal. He also wasn't on the field at the end of the year.
So when you put so much emphasis on guys who aren't leaders, comfortable leading, vocal leaders or in positions to lead...this is what you get.
Now look at the team. On the DL you have Clark who is the clear leader of the DL. Also probably the best player.
You have Ryan who is the clear leader of the LB. Also your best player.
You have Countess who is the clear leader of the DBs. Also your best player.
Hoke also mentioned he is taking some of the emphasis off of the senior class. Which I always thought was funny..."seniors are our leaders...but we're inexperience and young and we're going to play youth."
It's a different sport...but if you're going to have a senior leader that isn't one of your best players. He better be Jordan Morgan or Zack Novak. Anyone remember who was the captain of the Fab Five team? Freddie Hunter. You really think ol Freddy was the leader of that team over a freshman Jalen Rose? Not a shot in hell. Difference is, that's a different sport where it really doesn't matter and those were 5 of the best basketball players in the history of Michigan basketball...even as freshman. Can't say that about Taco Charlton, Ben Gedeon and Channing Stribling...as freshman (or even sophomores).
|1 week 5 days ago||Bad contract.||
Totally not worth it.
|1 week 5 days ago||Fuck.||