it's a major award
|11 hours 13 min ago||That's very likely true.||
QBs commit early. Remember RR was only able to get Justin Feagin as a late pickup.
|15 hours 2 min ago||No||
There are first hand accounts of Peppers running drills before games and clearly not being ready to go.
|16 hours 34 min ago||I have one name for you, John Beilein.||
Basketball recruiting is generally considered dirtier than football and Michigan is an easier school to recruit for in football anyhow, We're already getting very highly ranked recruiting classes. We just need to pair them with a first rate coach.
Michigan isn't going to sacrifice its principles and it never should. The football program represents the school. It dosn't drive it.
|19 hours 34 min ago||I'd be happier if this lame duck staff||
stopped putting out any more offers. I don't see how that helps the next staff. They should focus on keeping wavering players in place until things settle out. Grant Perry will be there if the next coach wants him. If Hoke survives by some miracle, he'll be in a better position to recruit and finish the class than he is now.
|19 hours 41 min ago||Has it been shown that other students||
were sent there? If so, that would be an even bigger academic issue. It would also show involvement outside of the AD and AFAM departments.
|1 day 10 hours ago||I think Manning is the new Fred Jackson.||
Whoever comes in will likely find a place for him. Everyone else is very likely gone whoever gets the job, excepting John Harbaugh..
Jim Harbaugh took nobody but his coordinators with him from Stanford to the 49ers. He's not likely to bring a bunch of NFL guys here either. I don't think we have any clues as to who he might hire. A current college HC like Mullen would probably bring most of his current staff.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Meyer took full advantage of PSU's||
implosion after their scandal broke.
|2 days 8 hours ago||$5M isn't opening up the checkbook for Jim Harbaugh.||
It's an attempt to lowball him. He could likely pull down $7M in the NFL. John Harbaugh is already making that much.
|2 days 10 hours ago||Someone remind me of Hoke's title.||
We have a booster paying his salary and another one paying Nussmeier's. It's not unusual. Auburn has basically had boosters making hiring decisions because they were paying the salaries.
|2 days 17 hours ago||Going one step further, I doubt that they||
would be meeting on the coach's or AD's home turf. A flight to Misiissippi could be to meet Jeff Long. I don't think they're at the point to interview coaches anyway. The AD is going to come first.
|2 days 17 hours ago||Schlissel is not going to fire him for hiring Hoke.||
He's already made it clear what he's unhappy about.
|2 days 19 hours ago||Those strong NFL ties would be valuable||
if we could recruit players out of the league. Otherwise I don't get the point. Doesn't it just mean he'll be able to get a DC job with another team?
|2 days 19 hours ago||Yes, you're spot on about the apology.||
It's the most ridiculous statement I can remember a Michigan coach making. If he wants to apologize to Dantonio personally after the game, fine, but leave at that.
If Hoke's in a mood to make public apologies, I can think of many he could make. He should start with punting on 4th and 3 in the 4th Q. Giving up at that point has to demoralize the team.
|3 days 7 hours ago||Making the elite eight qualifies as a disaster?||
As I recall they were even the favorite to win it all after beating us in the BTT finals.
|3 days 11 hours ago||They talk about season ending injuries.||
Let's not get carried away.
|3 days 20 hours ago||Nussmeier wants to be a HC.||
This job was clearly supposed to be a short stop before he got that opportunity. I've never heard of a penalty for an assistant coach leaving for another job. I doubt it's done anywhere.
|3 days 22 hours ago||Fred Jackson is the better choice than Nuss||
for interim in every possible way. That's not sarcasm.
When was the last time Michigan hasn't kept the interim on a full time basis? Fisher, Ellerbe, Moeller, Carr. If the team plays better under Nussmeier there will be a real chance he keeps the job. In fact, I think he would become the odds on favorite if the Harbaughs don't jump at it right away. Frankly, I think the team will play better for any interim coach, so it won't show much.
While this scenario is better than we have right now, what isn't? Michigan needs a change in direction, not an easy way out of doing so. Name Jackson and it's not an audition for the job. He's a true interim, not someone where people are saying they want to see what he can do. He should have an easier time handling the extra responsibility than any first year coach. Jackson knows the people, he knows his way around the AD and he's comfortable with the media.
Nussmeier is a better HC candidate down the road. That has nothing to do with whether he would be better taking over tomorrow. He's still the OC and QB coach. I can't think of a single person in a worse position to take on extra duties right now.
|3 days 23 hours ago||Chip Kelly???||
So with Brandon around we may have to settle for someone like that? OK.
|3 days 23 hours ago||This is dead wrong.||
Getting the right coach is 100X more important than worrying about this recruiting class. Who's going to be available in mid-December? I'm not crossing any names off the list because we have to wait for their season to end. The coaching search might have started already, but we need to settle the AD position before we get too far.
I'm in favor of naming an interim too, but Nussmeier would be far down my list of choices. He has more than enough to worry about as it is. I hate the idea that we might settle for hiring the interim if the team shows some improvement. Fred Jackson. would be my first choice.
|4 days 11 hours ago||Why not end the season well?||
If anything, it should make the job a little more attractive. I'm only in favor of appointing an interim who would not be considered for the job next year, like Jackson or Hechlinski. Nussmeier has more than enough to do as it is.
|4 days 11 hours ago||damn doubles||
|4 days 11 hours ago||Just be glad that you didn't work hard to get a degree in||
the AFAM department. You might want to settle down and have some sympathy for those fellow alums of yours. Nobody really thinks your degree is fake.
|4 days 12 hours ago||Of course the faculty likes Hoke.||
He's a likeable guy and he lets them sit in on film sessions.
|4 days 13 hours ago||I think we stand to gain somehing||
by canning Hoke now. It's possible that whoever gets promoted to the interim job might actually do a decent job. There's also the possibility that some have tuned Hoke out and it no longer matters what he does. Sometimes a change only for the sake of change is warranted.
|4 days 13 hours ago||The rest of the staff would still be there.||
They have most of the contact with recruits. Their job will be easier if the team starts playing better. I'd take my chances of that happening with Hoke out of the picture.
The head coach's job is to be the closer. I don't see how he can credibly tell any parent that he's going to be there to care of their son. We don't need a closer right now. We need someone to keep kids from bolting before they see who the new coach is going to be.
|4 days 19 hours ago||What's the reasoning behind Hoke saving his job today?||
This would be a big upset only because he's run this team into the ground. The big picture is that his teams are going backwards year to year. Slowing the acceleraton of the decline over a few games would be nice. But that's all he would be doing and that's not nearly enough.
|6 days 18 hours ago||Morris is ready to play this week||
and is Gardner's backup, according to Hoke.
|6 days 20 hours ago||not likely Harris||
Yesterday Hoke said he was doing more at practice.
My guess is that two of the players aren't on the depth chart. We haven't heard about their injuries yet. I think there's only one obvious candidate among the group whose injuries are more or less known.
|6 days 22 hours ago||That's just not true regarding academics.||
Admissions has rejected a number of players who were fully qualified by NCAA standards. They don't often make it all the way to LOI day before that happens like it did with Adrian Witty. Sometimes late in the recruiting process UM has to drop someone they thought would get in like Anthony Standifer. Admissions was unhappy when RR brought in too many players close to NCAA's minimum standards.
There are always some recruits who are uncertain about meeting the NCAA standards. Part of the reason you see some big classes, (Miss St is currently at 30), is that they're padded with kids unlikely to be eligible. Michigan does not accept those players. If they did, Burbridge would probably be here now.
Let's not forget JuCos and transfers. It's very difficult to get them into Michigan. It's routine most places.
|1 week 12 hours ago||I'm not suggesting athletes' majors||
should mirror the entire student body's. Some majors present scheduling challenges that are hard to overcome, nursing is one example. I agree too, that their academic profile as a group is below the average, so we should expect fewer athletes in the most rigorous majors.
Guidance conselors could offer useful advice, but when most of the team shares a single major, I have to wonder why. Most of the answers won't reflect well on the school or the program. Players could have a lot of reasons to choose one field over another and could often do so after taking at least a couple of semesters. There should be a happy medium in there.
My idea of a legitimate education has little to do with the field of study. I'm concerned with whether the departments are run honestly or whether they're just designed to keep athletes eligible.
I didn't think you were suggesting that there needs to be an easy major for some athletes that can't keep up with the other students. I don't agree with that idea. That's just taking the easy way out when your mission is to educate your students.
|1 week 13 hours ago||Of all the coordinators,||
I find Pruitt the most intriguing. I'm looking for a detail oriented coach that's going to push his assistants. One question with coordinators is what kind of staff they will assemble. He could address the lack of recruiting connenctions in our region there. No matter who's coaching next year I expect to see Roy Manning on the staff. He's poised to take Fred Jackson's role.
I don't see Bud Foster geting a high major HC job. By this point you really have to wonder why no else has hired him. What AD is going to risk finding out the hard way?
|1 week 16 hours ago||Should we expect athletes to enroll in the same||
courses as non-athletes? Absolutely we should, without exception.
A legitimate college education is the most important and valuable reward most of them get for representing their schools. Cheating them out of that is inexcusable. That's not to say they have to take the most rigorous majors. Those that can handle them should, if they so desire. I'm uncormfortable with schools shepherding the bulk of their athletes into a single major. It's a common practice, even at Stanford. Done properly, those classes and majors are open to all students and the professors keep the same standards as every other department. It's hard to be confident that's what happens most places.
Michigan doesn't accept everyone that meets NCAA minimum qualifications. They're reluctant to accept JuCos and transfers. That drives some fans crazy, but the point is not to put athletes into academic situations they can't handle. Tutoring, superior time management and the right environment can help a lot of student athletes outperform their HS resumes.
Unfortunately, I think academic cheating is rampart in college sports. Maybe the depths that UNC sunk to will spur reform at some other campuses, but I'm not getting my hopes up. I have a lot of respect for Notre Dame's emphasis on academics. I'm afraid that more often it's the institutions cheating on grades rather than the players.
|1 week 21 hours ago||There have been conflicting reports.||
The people who could clarify them aren't going to. One is that DB thought Harbaugh was coming. Things changed when the SF job opened. No AD is going to say he hired his second or third or whatever choice if he doesn't have to. Another report is that DB wanted Hoke all along. He's going to say so, but who knows if that's true. One of them seems more likely to me.
|1 week 21 hours ago||I'd love to sit in on some film sessions too.||
Not only would they be interesting in themselves, but it would enhance my understanding of the games I watch. I certainly wouldn't be trying to tell the coaches how to do their jobs. I've assumed that Brandon is doing the same thing. He's enjoying the access he has. It's a bit of a leap to think he's also trying to act as a coach. Not saying, it's impossible, but some seem to take it as a given. Have we ever heard any indication from a player or coach that he makes coaching suggestions or otherwise meddles?
|1 week 1 day ago||I don't know.||
After the Rutgers game I thought it was clear that he thought Hoke was done. He's not the type to call for his head, but he didn't defend him at all.
|1 week 1 day ago||I don't know.||
After the Rutgers game I thought it was clear that he thought Hoke was done. He's not the type to call for his head, but he didn't defend him at all.
|1 week 1 day ago||We got TY Isaac instead.||
|1 week 1 day ago||Ha, Valenti occasionally calls things||
regarding Michigan as he sees them through his Sparty filter. He always puts things in a way to get people calling in, usually irate Michigan fans. Whether he's trying to be honest or not, I've never heard any evidence that he knows more about Michigan than the average MGoReader. .
|1 week 1 day ago||If the HC job was filled by Jim Harbaugh is our||
AD job less attractive? If I was an AD candidate I'd be very happy at the prospect of having a top-notch coach already in place. It certainly sounds better than having to fire the current guy, serve on a search committee, negotiate with all sides, deal with the inevitable infghting and not know who you're going to wind up with. If you don't want to work with the new hire, then you don't take the job. Do we want someone who wouldn't hire JH?
Whether it's plausible whether Brandon could hire either Harbaugh, I don't know about that.
|1 week 1 day ago||not likely||
It was his first season with a big contract. That was when Vick was suspended, so it wasn't a shock that the team struggled.
|1 week 1 day ago||If John Harbaugh quits,||
I doubt his contract will allow him to go to another NFL team next season. Would he leave Michigan to go back to the NFL? Possibly, but not right away. His new contract would certainly include a large buyout. It's not reason enough to make him an unattractive candidate.
I don't think we'll ever see a bidding war between Michigan and Stephen Ross. Neither side would be happy with that.
|1 week 1 day ago||a few things||
This program mostly makes polite comments about OSU in the week leading up to that game too. The same with Notre Dame until they decided to end the series. The same they do with everyone else.
Does it make sense that our approach is losing games to them now, when it worked so often in the past? We're losing to most every opponent as strong as MSU.
As far as the fans go, the level of hatred for MSU is not much below that for OSU. I don't know how you think it isn't there. It seems quite appropriate for our 2nd or 3rd biggest rival. It's just not felt as intensely by all of our fans from out of state. It'll never match MSU's level. Their being a team with no other rivals and very few out of state fans.
|1 week 1 day ago||Then the most plausible scenario is||
that Harbaugh would be willing to come back as an assistant, is it not?
|1 week 1 day ago||Brandon is keeping quiet,||
very unchacteristically so. That's a strong indication that something is in the works.
|1 week 1 day ago||Yes, I am.||
The president could easily fire the coach along with Brandon. I don't see that as any kind of a stumbling block. I would expect that interviews with AD candidates are going to involve discussions about Hoke's future. Suppose everyone says they think Hoke has to go? Schlissel would just be making the announcement, not the decision. It's also possible that the timing could help in the search for his replacement.
I don't like the idea of Schlissel firing coaches for their W-L records, but I would have had no problem if he had stepped in and fired Hoke for his handling of Shane Morris. While that might still be the AD's job, it's ultimately the president who's responsible for the conduct of university employees and the welfare of its students.
|1 week 1 day ago||You actually know Shaw? The other parties too?||
I don't, but frankly, every element of that scenario just sounds crazy. Shaw loves working under Harbaugh so much that he prefers that to being a very successful HC? So much so, that he won't mind his salary getting cut by at least 2/3? Or Stanford thinks it's a good idea to pay a coordinator $3M/year to accomodate an ex-coach who bolted for greener pastures?
I don't get why people think Harbaugh coming back to Michigan is out of the question. I seriously wonder if anyone but some Michigan fans feel that way. It's infintely more likely than some of the other possibilities being bandied about like hiring a Div-3 coach. We'll never know the complete truth abouth coaching searches, but I think there was a good chance Harbaugh was coming here last time unti the 49ers job opened up.
|1 week 1 day ago||I predict that if Long is hired,||
then Hoke gets fired first. It's a simple solution if that's a problem. for him
|1 week 2 days ago||Michigan hiring Tressel is one of the most ridiculous||
hypotheticals ever. He was very gracious in public and people that knew him mostly genuinely like the guy. He wrote books extolling the virtues of doing things the right way. He was also the embodiment of the win at all costs mentality. He didn't just cheat relentlessly, he was also involved in other incidents that brought his character into question. I very much doubt he ever coaches in college again. Imo, Michigan is more likely to follow the U of Chicago example than hire him.
I'll add that I couldn't disagree more with those who want Michigan to adopt a win at all costs mentality. I have to wonder if there isn't a division between those who attended the school and those who adopted it as fans.
|1 week 2 days ago||The oline is one of the few||
position groups that's performing at my preseason expectations.
|1 week 2 days ago||Narduzzi vs Herman||
Narduzzi might be the better candidate, but I don't see him as suitable for Michigan. It might be okay to snag a coach from a rival. I'm just very uncomfortable with hiring someone whose dream job is to coach at our rival. It leaves us in a vulnerable position. I could see Narduzzi bolting whenever the MSU job opened up,.They already look at him as Dantonio's successor. The dynamics with Herman are different. My main concern would be whether he's qualified for the job.
|1 week 3 days ago||MSU gave up 3 big runs in the first half for 170 yards.||
Those are some pretty big breakdowns when the QB isn't much of a threat. Other than those 3 big runs IU gained 50 total yards. Once MSU cleaned up its act it was a complete rout.
It's hard to see how there was a serious decline in the QB's play during the game. He threw for 11 yards and 0 INT.
|1 week 3 days ago||I always loved beating them when their||
sole goal was to ruin our season. I don't like being on this side of things, but a win Saturday would be the first step on the way back. I wouldn't mind seeing their playoff hopes dashed either. Go Blue!
|1 week 3 days ago||There's a third option.||
People are making posts about coaches that have a snowball's chance of even being considered for our job.
|1 week 3 days ago||I don't think this was calculated,||
at least not to become a D-1 HC. He's 50 and coaching at a level that no D-1 school hires from. He's making about what a MAC position coach gets.
He wasn't a listed assistant coach at Nebraska, must have been a QC job. He was a GA at Wisconsin too. Since working in Lincoln, he's twice dropped to lower levels of competition, skipping the FCS altogether. At some point one would think he'd move up if he had the ambition or capability for a bigger job.
|1 week 3 days ago||Delusional is in the eye of the beholder.||
|1 week 3 days ago||Good post, but I have a couple of quibbles.||
I don't think his Michigan ties grade goes from low to an A based on his boss. One of the main reasons to want Michigan ties is their value in recruiting.
Along the same lines, I don't see it as a big plus if Bates is his AD here. I'm sure there's some upside to it, but it's going to make it harder to sell him to the Michigan community. It would remind me of Hoke or RR bringing along their assistants because they're familiar with them, not because they were searching for the best candidates. That's standard for assistants, but we've also seen the criticism it engenders when the team struggles.
|1 week 5 days ago||We've scrimmaged against Kent St more than once.||
I think Beilein's had one every season. It's incorrect to say we could have a closed scrimmage or exhibition games. We do both.
|1 week 5 days ago||agree and disagree||
I don't see the new AD taking a chance on a small name hire either. I agree that the Harbaughs will be the top targets. The question is what will they do if that's not happening.
Perhaps it matters who the new AD is. For example, I don't see Jeff Long as someone who is going to be timid. The new AD is going to be given a mandate to change some things. High on that list will be the direction of the football program. I expect to see them make a big push to get someone whose stature fits the job, regardless of style of play. It'll be his job to sell the new coach to the Michigan community. They have to know they can do a far better job of that than we saw from Bill Martin.
Is the pool described in your last sentence any deeper than Les Miles? I guess we could add Hoke and Ferentz, but Miles is the only plausible name I see.
|1 week 5 days ago||don't think so||
It makes little sense to sacrifice competitiveness in order to make a statement. The message will be muddled with the idea that you're simply being cheap, while still taking in a ton of tv revenue.
Schlissel is clearly unhappy with Brandon's marketing and pricing. That's where he's making changes to lessen the commercialization of our sports. He's not a fool. He knows about our football tradition and he surely knows it's a lot easier to fund the AD when the football team is winning.
I don't think he'll be in favor of throwing around $15M/year to lure Saban or Jim Harbaugh here. I think that's little more than a fantasy of a few fans anyway, no matter who was in charge. There's a middle ground between offering record contracts and opting out of paying competitive salaries. I expect our top choices will be names that command big contracts and that's what we'll offer.
|1 week 6 days ago||I can believe it.||
The punch went right over Izzo's head.
|1 week 6 days ago||I don't get this comment.||
Who's hell bent on running a particular offense? Some former players and a portion of the fanbase? I'd guess there's a bigger portion of the fanbase that's resigned to this philosophy than there is in favor of it, especially after the last couple of seasons.
In all likelihood a new AD is going to be making this call. It'll be his biggest and most scrutinized decision for years. Whoever it is, I'm sure he has his own ideas about the direction of CFB. Maybe he'll be willing to severely limit the possible candidates in order to avoid having a more modern offense. Maybe he'll say Hoke was on the right path, he just needed to execute better. I expect him to be more open minded and I'll be surprised if the next hire is a low profile coach who plays manball.
|1 week 6 days ago||Neither side||
would want any part of that.
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||I don't think Brandon wants to get fired and fight||
for his full buyout. It's a black mark on his resume and he may still harbor political aspirations. A termination with cause would be messy for everyone involved. I would bet both sides have already been negotiating the terms of his departure. Ultimately I expect he'll be allowed to resign and get a partial buyout.
There is nowhere to move Brandon. Are they going to make him the interim coach? He's too high up for that to be a viable option.
|2 weeks 17 hours ago||I think that's right.||
This is a lot different than 2007. People were optimistic about the direction of the program back then. Our program and our fanbase have been humbled this season. The arrogance may still be there, but it's mostly been put on a back burner. I think there's going to be less tolerance for those who make petty complaints about the new coach and his staff. Complaints about a lack of loyalty are another matter.
I'm assuming Graham gets hired only after it's clear we can't land one of the big names on our list. There would probably be a negative reaction to anyone not named Harbaugh if it looked like we didn't bother to try for one of them.
|2 weeks 17 hours ago||An option would be to fire Hoke||
before Long takes the job. If a stated reason for letting Brandon go is the shoddy safety procedures exposed by the handling of Shane Morris, it's not a stretch to can them both at once. I would assume that every candidate will be asked how they would deal with Hoke. It could be that they would all prefer their first major action to be hiring a new coach rather than firing the old one.
|2 weeks 18 hours ago||He was able to hire two coaches||
that few would think he had a chance of landing. I like that he is willing to aim high rather than settle for someone certain to take the job. Petrino might be a mercenary who would leave when a better job beckoned, but he's a proven winner. Not many places can do better than that. I have to wonder when was the last time we did.
|2 weeks 18 hours ago||Zero chance of the regents||
making an official recommendation to fire Brandon and the president keeping him on. They already know where he stands on the matter. No way they would be taking a disagreement public in that manner. That would just be terrible PR for all concerned.
|2 weeks 20 hours ago||We were preseason top 10 last year.||
That's shows a lot of repect for Beilein when he's replacing the player of the year with a freshman. Michigan is looking at six freshmen in the rotation this year and a recruiting class that no one considers elite. I dare say we're only ranked this high because of Beilein.
|2 weeks 20 hours ago||I'm skeptical||
that he started researching academics so late in the game. The football reasons are actually compelling. USC's season imploded and a slew of recruits decommitted around the same time as Redfield. Among the remaining commits were two 5* safeties.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||A different interpretation of Brandon's twiiter silence||
is that's he's been told to stay quiet while his departure is negotiated. That's something that both sides could have agreed on.
Not saying your version is impossible, but his following someone's advice seems less likely, especially given his famous arrogance. I can't imagine it being an order from Schlissel. How could he entrust a department with a nine figure budget and a lot of PR responsibilty to someone he can't trust to send a tweet?
I think if Schlissel was truly circling the wagons, he would have taken DB to practice with him. It would have been a friendly audience.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I think that's kind of silly.||
If Long is incapable of firing a friend, then he won't take the job, He's not an idiot.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I agree that they have had enough time to decide||
whether DB stays. I'd be surprised if that decision hasn't already been made. Negotiating the terms of his departure and planning the transition takes some time. If he is fired, a lot of work will have been done before the announcement.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I have to wonder what you're reading.||
If you are on the field or the court for a single play you can't get a normal redshirt. I suspect if you did a little research you would be hard pressed to find any other answer. If you sustain a season ending injury, then it matters how deep into the season you played to be eligible for a medical RS.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||OL development is down across the country.||
Defenses now completely dominate the game. Witness all the low scoring games every week. Sure a handfu ofl teams like Baylor, OSU and Arizona still put up a lot of points, but they're running up tempo spread offenses. That's tantamount to cheating.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||What conclusions should we have come to?||
You said he had your hardest hitter take a free shot at the guy across from him and that he would SMASH him. And the coaches found that hiarious afterwards.
We understand the gamesmanship involved with taking the penalties. That's not an issue. Teaching players to deliberately take cheap shots when they have the opportunity is another matter. You might be able to justifiy one, but I'm still unclear on what lesson he was teaching his players. Winning is all that matters?
I feel confident in saying that my personal softness isn't permeating our program. I expect our coaches and players to be tough, but I never thought of teaching or taking cheap shots as a sign of toughness. In any case, the younger the players involved, the more unacceptable I find it.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I was just about to check if it was their bye week.||
They're 3-4 and their only blowout loss was to Baylor. EMU continues to be a job killer for football coaches.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||yeah, classic||
Your coach sounds like a very classy guy. Just the type we want to help develop the character of the young men in his charge..
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I don't know.||
What's harder, turning around Rutgers in the Big East or Miss St in the SEC? They're both impressive, but I'd pick the one with the tougher competition. Rutgers is in a better spot for recruiting; good in-state talent, no other in-state school, almost no regional powers to contend with.
What's worse? Is it having your DC send those "you're a baller" recruiting letters? Or Schiano accepting, backing out and then again trying to accept our job offer in 2007?
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Pryor||
I think he had no shot at getting Pryor. I always felt Pryor knew where he was going for a long time. He just dragged out his recruitment for the attention. He couldn't just wait though. He had to talk about another school to keep the media interested. We were the perfect candidate for that.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||What self-respecting coach wouldn't expect||
to get fired when year four is a train wreck following a steady decline in the previous two seasons? That will get you fired anywhere, not just at places that pay top ten salaries.
The QB comment stands out. If Gardner doesn't fit Hoke's system, then what excuse is there for only taking Bellomy in his first two recruiting classes? Rather than an excuse, that sounds a very strong reason to fire him.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Put a lot of thought into that comment?||
They can ask a lot of useful questions. The qualities that are needed to be successful coaches don't vary that much by sport. They should be able to spot BS better than most too.
They can ask how they structure practices and what responsibilites they give their assistants to judge their organizational skills.
They can ask how their football philosophy has evolved during their career, How or whether they've adjusted to the skill sets of their players. They won't be able to judge all the technical parts of those answers, but they're going to see how flexible, innovative and thoughtful the candidates are.
They can ask what they look for in the players they recruit and in the assistants they hire. They could also ask how they would deal with some of the specific challenges in recruiting and working at Michigan.
Asking the right questions is important. They won't be the only ones judging the answers. They won't be making any final decisions, but they have useful expertise that no one else on the committee is likely to match.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||It would be interesting having them on a committee.||
I bet Beilein and Hutch know a lot of the right questions to ask. It's not as if the search committtee is going to be made up entirely (or even partially) of great football minds.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Change for change's sake implies||
that we are advocating hiring coaches of the same level we already have. That's an interesting question. Would we prefer Mike DeBord or Ron English just to make a change? Nobody wants that, but we might be better off.
Fortunately there's a third option, aim much higher. Getting someone who looks like a sideways hire seems like it's nearly a worst case scenario. I'm in favor of taking that chance.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||A big part of a HC's job||
is to get the most out of his assistants. Just like with the players, it's not all about talent. It's about getting everyone working together, constantly striving to get better and paying attention to details. If you don't take care of those things, you can't fix problems by replacing people. I get the feeling that Hoke is most comfortable coaching his position group, not being the boss. It would be interesting to see what Saban or Harbaugh could make of the same staff.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Sorry, but that's a lot of nonsense.||
MSU's offense struggled early last year because their QB was terrible. They got better when they finally found the right QB in Connor Cook.
Our offense is still terrible. Any improvement during the season has been marginal. There's no reasonable explanation for why bringing in Nussmeier should result in a painful transition. He's not using a whole new system. He's simplifying the one we already had. It supposedly fits our roster. The offense has gone backwards from last year's low mark, despite having less than a nomal amount of roster turnover. That's not the expected cost of replacing a coordinator. Is it going to happen again when Nussmeier leaves?
I don't need to wait and see how things play out to evaluate whether Hoke should be retained. He's been here 3 and 1/2 years +. The team has gotten steadily worse, dramatically so this year. If they finish strong this season, great. I'll give Hoke and staff credit for holding the team together. He's put a lot of talent on the roster. I'll give him credit for that too. He's not the worst coach ever. He should be able to win some games with this team.
The problem is that he's allowed this team to sink to depths no one could have anticipated. Multiple blowout losses to so-so teams in year 4 with no reasonable explanation. This is easily the worst season in my memory relative to expectations. Hoke's performance has done a great deal of damage to the program. Winning a few games at the end of the year only lessens the magnitude of his failure. Instead of epically bad, perhaps we could just say it was bad and that we expect a lot more from our coaches.
It would be nice to finish the season on a high note and have a little less sense of dread going into next season. It's too late to transfer that into confidence in Hoke's ability to build a really good team. I don't see how our expectations for a coach can be anything less.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Fans can and do tell other fans||
what they should and shouldn't say all the time. That's part of the disagreements fans naturally have with each other. They can't actually stop them from saying anything though, no matter how thoughtless it might be.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Rather than that kind of arrogance,||
most of what I've seen here is a lot of doom and gloom about our chances of getting anyone good.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||He never said there was no cost.||
There was no reason to assume he was talking about cutting scholarships rather than allocating an extra one for QBs. That's just not a fair inference to make. Overweighting one position group to address a weakness is something coaches have to deal with all the time. There's a bit of leeway to do so without cutting players.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||The problem is clear, but I'm afraid||
some of your solutions were not practical. Recruiting JUCO QBs is a complete waste of time if you can't get them into the school. Grad transfers aren't so easy to get in either. Apparently that was an issue with the center from Bama. Beyond that, there are very few grad transfers available. You can be lucky and have one come up at a position of need, but no credible QB was going to come here to be a backup to Devin. They're transferring because they want to start in their final season. We should be looking in that direction for 2015.
The biggest problem is that there was no good solution for this season, probably not since that Nebraska debacle. The mistakes were made too long ago, they had to be addressed much sooner. Not taking a QB in 2012 was the biggest culprit. Taking two QBs in 2014 might have helped for next season and beyond, but was a tough call with such a small class.
Agree that it is an indictment of Hoke's coaching. QB is obviously the most important position and multiple roster mistakes there has been a major failing.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Brandon will not get fired because||
he sucks at every aspect of his job. Should we also hope that the basketball and hockey teams struggle? It's really stupid to hope for failures just to get a change you want. Brandon will get fired because he's brought a culture that's turned too many people off. It's made people intolerant of the big mistakes he's made. That's enough. We should want the next AD to carry on with the positive things Brandon has done and learn from his mistakes. The more he has to work with, the better.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||If it's your job to make the call and you're in perfect||
position to see it you should make it. That's your job. Start adding in subjective stuff and that's when refereeing drives me crazy.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||An autograph on a slip of paper, no.||
I collect books and would absolutely pay extra for some that were signed by the author or the subject.
These autographs are on items some people collect, so I can imagine them feeling the same way.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||He wanted Casteel who was set to come.||
WVU gave him a better offer, a little more money and a two year deal. We're not talking big money for a DC, but we didn't match it.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||It's a good list.||
So many names and the only one misspelt is Griese. For shame.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||That's hardly fair.||
Even though this is primarily a football site, Amaker's gotten some praise here for his accomplishments at Harvard. If, at the same time, our basketball team was floundering and Beilein was obviously on the way out the mood here would be much different. Beillein's first NCAA appearance would get credited to Amaker's players and people would be following his career a lot more closely.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||That extortion claim has been discussed here before.||
It's a very dubious one, only made by Winston's lawyer. It's another he said, she said, except this time the parties are the lawyers.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||except they might not||
This is the text of the NCAA HIPAA waiver.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I'm missing the point. Was it?||
1. Mo blamed an injury to a 5th year Sr QB on his HS coaches.
2. Bo started a QB who didn't throw a pass all week in practice based solely on the QB's word.
3. Bo admitted #2 was a mistake.
4. Bo misled the press before the game and admitted it afterwards.
I love Bo and Mo, but this was by no means their finest hour. If Hoke had done #1 or #2, we'd have excoriated him for it. #3 was fine, but if anything, this strikes me as a good example of why it's better not to talk about injuries.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||We had 5 in the class with Stacey and Josh Garnett||
chose Stanford over us near signing day. We were in the mix for Kozan at the end too. Recruiting is always a bit of a gamble or guessing game. Do you take a sure commitment from a lesser prospect instead of saving a spot for a 5* like Garnett? There's no way to be right every time. I disagree about taking 7 OL in a class. Not only did we have a lot of other needs to address, but I would never assume OL recruits want to be part of a 7 player class. As a practical matter it may just not be feasible. The 2013 group had a little revolt when they thought our long snapper was going to be the 6th OL in the class.
Wasn't that RR class of 6 put together right after Elliott Mealer had just suffered a serious injury? At the time his playing future was in doubt.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||It says a lot about someone's character,||
when lying to make a point comes naturally to them. It was completely unnecessary. This wasn't making up a little story to motivate someone. While whether he viewed the video may not be too important, the circumstances of the video were extremely so. It's probably the most serious issue that had come up in his coaching career. His role in the aftermath of the charges was surely going to be examined and might well have some importance in the legal process. If he was lyng then, when is he telling the truth?
|2 weeks 6 days ago||I said when Penn State hired him,||
that it was a move born out of desperation. Whatever comes out of this, he seems sleazy. I wonder if he's going to have to testify in his former players' trials. That could be interesting.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||This narrative about our coaching changes is convenient,||
but not at all accurate. Michigan wasn't looking for a different kind of coach when they hired Mo. He was Bo's hand picked successor. In a similar vein, Carr was promoted because he was the interim and was basically just the next guy in line. He was criticized for being too predictable throughout his tenure. Michigan wasn't looking for a major change in philosphy when they had to replace Carr. They offered Schiano the job before RR. Ferentz might well have been their first choice. He was probably the most Carr-like coach in the country. RR was a hot coach and they accepted the change in style, perhaps only grudgingly, when he fell into their lap.
You're obviously right about the Hoke hire. I suspect you're also going to be right about his replacement. Rather than look for someone equally likeable, we'll focus on competence.
Your narrative about the ADs is spot on. It will be interesting to see how much of a change in direction they will want in Brandon's replacement. DB with a complete personality makeover wouldn't be in danger of losing his job.
|3 weeks 29 min ago||As I recall, Moeller was not summarily fired.||
It happened after he refused to admit he had a problem and get treatment for it. Maybe he was right and the incident was completely out of character for him. I've never heard anyone but the OP call him a lush.
|3 weeks 44 min ago||2015 would not be my main worry||
if we're talking about a coach that needs particular types of players to run his system. I'd be much more concerned about how long that transition would take. 2015 might be tough for any coach coming in. Patterson's first real class would be 2016. How long would it take before he would be able to effectively install his system? We don't have anything to go on since he's never had to do it.
|3 weeks 1 hour ago||Ah yes, just like that smooth transition in 2008.||
Fun times. Keeping the former coach around wouldn't be part of my formula for a transition unless the new coach was his protege.
|3 weeks 1 hour ago||There's one huge difference between us fans||
and the commits. We have no real choice but to wait and see what happens with the coaching situation. They have the choice to explore other options that are available to them now, some of which won't be available if they wait.
|3 weeks 1 hour ago||nice job of putting yourself in his place||
I'm being sarcastic, just in case you can't tell.
If his priority is winning, why on Earth would he come here? This team is bad and the recruiting class is crumbling around him. Who is going to convince him they're going to turn things around? This unknown savior may not even want him, may run a system ill-suited to him, etc.
Granted, things don't look good if Hoke stays, but at least there is someone to sell him on the future. There could also be a sense of loyalty to the coaches and the future classmates he's helped recruit. I think that's something most of us do value in our players.
|3 weeks 9 hours ago||Who is supposed to make it clear to any||
recruit how important they are to the class? The fans? A lame duck coaching staff? Recruits are going to decide whether to be patient and see who's hired, stay because their dream of playing for Michigan is more important, or choose a place they're comforfable with. Options elsewhere close faster for QBs than most others.
|3 weeks 12 hours ago||Yes, that article doesn't distinguish||
how many employees are coaches, support staff or administrators. We've added four varsity sports in that time frame, so there were bound to be more employees.
|3 weeks 12 hours ago||Youre right that we don't know much about||
Schlissel's way of making changes. I think we can agree that he chooses his words carefully. Cultural change is a strong term, probably the strongest he could have used. It's hard to see it effected by the main architect of the current culture. Not only do I see this boding ill for Brandon, but for some of his staff. It sounds like the next AD is going to have the green light to clean house.
|3 weeks 13 hours ago||Countless studies?||
I'm only aware of one involving the NFL. I'd be reluctant to draw too many conclusions from it. NFL running QBs are good at protecting themselves and run OOB or slide a pretty high percentage of the time. I'd say they're better at that than Devin. They're doing things RBs aren't allowed to do because losing your QB to an injury is a big deal. That's certainly true for us right now.
While it may well be true that running QBs don't suffer more injuries overall, it flies in the face of common sense to assert that simply handing off the ball is as dangerous as running with it. In the same vein, calling for a lot of deep passes or slow developing patterns is riskier than relying on quick throws. I don't think a study is needed to show that.
They can keep calling a few plays for Gardner to hopefully keep defenses honest. He's still a threat, even if not running 15 times a game. Whatever problems we've had on offense under Hoke would be hard to attribute to defenses not having to worry about QB runs.
|3 weeks 18 hours ago||Aside from the cheaty things,||
Tressel already had a ton of connections in the state. He was able to lock down Ohio in recruiting like no one else could. He was a perfect fit in a talent rich state and there's not going to be an equivalent candidate for us.
|3 weeks 18 hours ago||I see the similarities to Beilein,||
but they're closest to the Beilein that got hired by Richmond. I like the idea of getting a coach with Beilein's profile, someone with a lot of success as a HC at lower levels, but without making a huge leap to this job.
|3 weeks 19 hours ago||a few reasons||
Keep in mind that I don't pretend to know you, but I see some of myself in your conduct in this thread. While I might still spend too much time in internet debates, investing emotional energy arguing with people I don't know is something I strive to avoid. It's easy to fall into that trap, but for me at least, I think's it's unhealthy. I don't wish to nitpick your comments. I'll just mention that you somehow misread Mr Yost's comment and thought he worked at our AD. It was a careless mistake and would have bothered me greatly if I had made it. That's when I would have stepped aside.
You're taking this issue much too seriously.
You're talking about something that has zero effect on whether I think Dave Brandon should keep his job. I think that's also true for you and everyone you're arguing with. The debate is whether it's an insignificant, but annoying event or a complete non-issue. To me, whether Dave Brandon keeps his job isn't even the big issue. More important is the direction the new president and the board want to take regarding athletics. They're still in charge of that no matter who they hire as AD.
You're taking criticism too personally.
Subjective, I know, but when I start to respond that way I step back and think it's time for a break.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||OP, I think the mods would be doing you a huge favor||
if they banned you for awhile. In the absence of that, you should consider stepping away. Note that I'm not accusing you of doing anything ban-worthy. I just think it would be in your best interests.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||If you hire the wrong guy, he will leave.||
That's why you don't hire someone who's being groomed for a job with your rivals. You can't buy loyalty. Michigan is not going to put themselves in position to be a stepping stone. That's why it won't happen..
|3 weeks 1 day ago||So what if we hired him and 6 months later||
find that article was not at all reliable? A lot of his current staff are holdovers from the previous one. He'd probably bring some of them along. We would be utterly screwed, not to mention a laughingstock.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Schiano already accepted the job (twice).||
Maybe that's insignificant, but I still find it offputting in someone we would be counting on to be a leader.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||If we hired Narduzzi, Dantonio would retire in 1-2 years.||
MSU would make him the AD and he'd lure Narduzzi back. That's nearly a worst case scenario for our next coach. The rumors of it would come every year until it happened, too.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||I'd prefer a HC that we don't need to make excuses for||
before he's even offered the job.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||With Belini's personality,||
he's never far from the hot seat.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Would he leave?||
It's hard to imagine he would stay for a fraction of the salary and a fraction of the responsibility.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Seems way too risky right now.||
If Freeze gets caught up in the violations we could be screwed. Given the speed at which the NCAA moves that could come at the worst possible time. His recruiting success has raised a few eyebrows too.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Really?||
Rather than insulting you, I'll simply ask how your timeline works. You accused Carr of having an affair with someone while Miles was on the staff. Someone he had been married to for many years by then.
My answer was not a story, by the way. They're facts you can look up. You might try that rather than spreading your stories..
|3 weeks 5 days ago||To expand on the idiocy of this story.||
McCartney and Carr are both from Riverview, MI. McCartney was the DC when Lloyd was hired to work under him. Think that happens if there was that kind of heat between them?
|3 weeks 5 days ago||The reason you never heard it is that it's total BS.||
Carr married her when Miles was in junior high school. Why someone would believe that story is beyond me, passing it along as fact is inexcusable.
Their son was on the team when Lloyd and Les were assistants together.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||total BS||
He publicly supported RR before and after he was fired.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||LOL that he wants to stick it to OSU.||
I'd bet everything I own he'd much rather stick it to Michigan.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Bobby Knight's game management was||
pretty questionable too. His teams won because they were always well prepared and he developed his players. Picking out a few mistakes doesn't keep someone from being a top notch coach.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||I have zero doubt that Miles will be able||
to recruit very well at Michigan. He won't bring in the same players, but he's won a lot of recruiting battles against a slew of big time programs. That kind of success should translate just fine here. He'll be able to sell both his record and his obvious love for Michigan if he comes here.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||I wasn't talking about Oregon specifically,||
nor did I think was the poster to which I replied.
To answer your points, I think all of the QBs Oregon was recruiting committed already. Poaching their commitment strikes me as unethical. It's not easy to pull kids from the west coast either. Might we possibly get someone good to switch their commitment? Sure, but it's not something I have confidence in and I don't feel great about going for a late add with Malzone already committed.
Shane is a decent runner as a scrambler or an occasional call to keep the defense off balance, not sure how he would fare as a featured runner. I'll admit to not being an expert on Oregon's offense. If Wilton is a good fit for it then I know even less than I thought. Would it even be fair to him to try to plug him into that kind of a system? It may not be hopeless, but none of this makes me comfortable about our QB situation if we hired Helfrich.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah, no one, not even you,||
could keep track of that many posts. I thought your last incarnation had been quite restrained.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||I agree with your prediction,||
but not your reasoning. I don't think the president gives any weight at all to the results of the upcoming games. As far as the time frame for his replacement, I'd guess the clock is already ticking. They should at least be vetting potential hires.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||I think desperation is warranted if we're||
talking about winning games this season. It's silly in terms of finding a new coach. People are greatly overplaying how unattractive our job is. It's going to be top ten in pay, with outstanding resources and facilities. Those things outweigh a lot of negatives. PSU had similar positives and infinitely greater disadvantages a few years ago. They did okay even without having to overpay.
Not only are Frost's credentials skimpy, I dislike the idea of hiring anyone whose dream job is another team in our conference. Calvin McGee would be a better candidate. Not that I think he should be on anyone's lists either.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||That's not a comforting thought.||
QBs usually commit early. The top 30+ prospects are spoken for months before we get a new coach. How many grad transfer QBs pop up? One or two a season. Our roster should be able to accomodate various coaching styles. The QB as a featured ball carrier won't be one of them.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Kelly didn't walk off to the NFL....||
LOL, he was one step ahead of the NCAA.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||He has to sit out.||
He could play right away if he was transferring in the opposite direction.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||The next coach will obviously hire his own DC.||
I think it's an interesting question whether Miles would want Mattison. Chavis might well be in line to replace Les if he came here.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||I think you are missing a relevant point.||
The only top level coaches with possible serious interest in Michigan are those from the school. It's not a question of looking at Harbaugh or Miles and ignoring similar candidates because they lack a connection to Michigan. It's a question of getting one of those or looking at a lower level of candidate. No one seriously talked about in the next tier of candidates is a Michigan man, so you're wrong in thinking of that as a big deal to this board.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||No, they were wrong'||
Just like Vegas was wrong not to make Arizona the favorite.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||An additional problem is with the selection||
of medical personnel. This isn't directed towards Michigan, but I think the independence of the medical staff is an issue in sports, perhaps even more so at the pro level. Are making decisions more in line with what the coach wants factors in getting or keeping jobs as trainers? How are the doctors chosen? Are they fans who may subconciously let that factor into their judgement?
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Your own comment shows up in the middle||
of his letter. You may want to fix that.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Kind of the reverse of MSU-Oregon?||
I heard somewhere that MSU would win all the rematches.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||inconceivable||
Maybe they overlooked Arizona last season after beating them 49-0 in 2012. Overlooking an opponent after getting smoked the last time, their worst loss in years, would reflect a level of arrogance beyond what ND and Michigan are accused of having. A more likely explanation is that Oregon can't figure out how to stop RR's offense.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I'd agree more if it were somewhere else.||
I don't like having to count on prying him away from his alma mater.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I'm hoping Butler has a good season||
and their interim coach does a very solid job.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||The whole question is a red herring.||
There's something seriously wrong with this team which we see primarily with the offense. Slightly improving the playcalling would barely scratch the surface of a solution. I'm afraid the problems go well beyond Nussmeier's ability to solve, at least in one season.
I don't buy the argument that Brandon and Hoke are tying his hands, either. This is unlike Frost's situation in Oregon, where he was promoted to keep a high powered offense humming. Nussmeier was a high profile OC brought in to fix a struggling unit. It's supposed to be his last stop before becoming a head coach. It's clearly a job that requires a lot of freedom. There's no way he would have agreed to come here to be micromanaged by a defensive coach. He had enough of that at his last job. Brandon's meddling might be annoying, but it makes no sense that he's capable of dictating the offensive gameplans. If Nussmeier allows that, I blame him even more than Brandon.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I would argue that's just what we did in 2007.||
We got his boss, too. Given the state of our defense, literally no one was advocating for such a move in 2011.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Said like someone||
who's been doing research on the topic.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Michigan isn't going to change who they are||
as an institution. Not for a football coach. I'm not talking about style of play. That's driven by their football side, former coaches or players. Given that last couple of years, that resistance should have weakened considerably.
You're right, quotes like the one you cited would make the administration cringe. He's not a good fit here. He's not a good fit at most institutions. There's a reason he's in Pullman. It's far from any major media market, probably the most remote of any power conference school.
Of course there's zero chance Michigan's next coach comes with his own high profile concussion controversy.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||LOL, wrong team.||
This is not bad news for him.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Lost in all of this||
We now know it wasn't Hoke that called for Morris to be sent back out on the field. He allowed it to happen, but people that were interacting more closely with Shane made that call. Was that the trainer or somebody else?
|3 weeks 6 days ago||He was visibly limping after that play.||
Much more so than before.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||completely irrelevant||
The only way Gardner doesn't sit a play is if Michigan takes a timeout. They couldn't put him back after a penalty.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I don't think that's it.||
Remember, the head ref did overrule and say he could get the timeout. Admittedly, no explanation makes complete sense.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||If he had gotten an injury timeout,||
by rule Gardner would still have had to sit out a play.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||My sentiments exactly.||
He doesn't want to keep putting out fires in the AD. I think he wants someone responsible and reliable, not someone who's pushing limits and sparking controversy. Michigan athletics doesn't need an innovator to pull them out of a financial hole. They're in fundamentally good shape and need a serious person with experience running a large AD.
I could see Schlissel wanting guidance about who to hire. The only names mentioned so far naturally have Michigan ties. He may want to gauge the perceived importance of hiring a "Michigan man" when it comes to athletics. He's smart enough to know that emotion comes more into play than on the academic side.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Your first paragraph makes a lot of sense,||
even though I'm not sure it's fair. People that support Brandon are going to speak out in response to the rally, they don't need any prompting from him. If he is suddenly showing up at practices counter to his usual practice, then it's unseemly. If that's routine for him, it's not.
Your second paragraph doesn't make sense. Dominos' primary stakeholders are the franchise owners and their customers, not hourly workers.
|4 weeks 9 hours ago||Wow!||
You have an extraordinally high opinion of Brian. I'm not sure anyone could live up to those expectations.
|4 weeks 11 hours ago||Prevent? Not really||
Make it more complicated or move expensive? Yes. We're tossing around a lot of names here of coaches that are under contract next year.
|4 weeks 14 hours ago||The worst case scenarios||
are particularly bad with Narduzzi. He might jump back to MSU as soon as Dantonio steps down, perhaps right in the middle of another transition. Dantonio might retire early just out of spite or to become their AD. Only slightly joking about the spite. We could well be leaving our coaching situation in MSU's hands. If he happens to fail, the fact that we reached for an MSU guy will only add to the pain.
Rather than a coordinator, I'd rather see a Beilein type hire. An innovative coach with a lot of HC experience who has proven he knows how to run a program. I'd value that over experience at a power conference.
|4 weeks 17 hours ago||With all due respect,||
I don't think you've been paying attention, AD Swarbrick announced in mid August that four players were being held out of practice, but were not suspended. Kelly and the assistant AD announced on August 29 that the school's investigation was complete and the players would have hearings very soon.
Subsequently, Kelly has publicly complained about a lack of communication from the school. So have Daniels and his family. It's been nearly six weeks since their investigation was supposedly completed and the players are still suspended without the hearings to which they are entitled.
|4 weeks 17 hours ago||Notre Dame has consistently had||
trouble getting that top choices. They're hardly alone. RR was a home run hire in 2007. He wasn't talked about much before the move since no one thought he was on the market. Look no further to see that home run hires don't always work out. I think you're relying on hindsight to reach your conclusions.
|4 weeks 19 hours ago||I mostly agree with your analysis Don. But||
there are some university politics involved and Brandon is in a weakened position. The fireworks issue was a minor one, but a public rebuke is an indication that his support isn't what it was with the regents. He can't have any political capital with the new president. This isn't the first problem with Brandon since he's arrived. The easiest way for Schlissel to deal with this PR nightmare is to clean house. Given his statements upon taking the job, I don't think he appreciates having to take an active role in solving problems in the AD. I'll be surprised if he doesn't push to have someone he trusts more in that regard.
|4 weeks 19 hours ago||Hoke might well go undefeated the rest of the season.||
It depends on how many games he gets to coach. I'm setting the o/u at 0.5. I think the only reason he is still here is that it takes more than couple of days to handle his dismissal properly. Time will tell who's right.
|4 weeks 19 hours ago||I can't see that scenario.||
They don't need a new AD in place to fire Hoke, just to hire his replacement. They can't do much PR damage control as long as Hoke is out there giving press conferences. There aren't any benefits to keeping him, are there?
|4 weeks 20 hours ago||What's the need for a petition for those||
not associated with the University? Why should the president and regents react to one when they are hearing from all these groups connected to the school? Their job isn't to keep fans happy.
|4 weeks 21 hours ago||another prediction||
This thread will end very soon.
|4 weeks 22 hours ago||When you get right down to it,||
none of the varsity sports are neccessary. Yes, football is needed to fund other sports. If we don't have non-revenue sports do we really need football at all? It's at best tangential to the educational mission.
As a fan, I enjoy following our teams. But we when only assign them value based on their bottom lines, what are we saying about the purpose of college athletics?
|4 weeks 23 hours ago||Sorry to say,||
but it's much better than yours.
|4 weeks 23 hours ago||Why would they say anything about Hoke?||
Brandon actually has something to do with their sports. They are speaking as student athletes, not as fans of other sports.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||All good points, although I don't think the last one||
takes much time. I'll throw out one more possibility. Hoke isn't waiting to get fired and is negotiating his resignation.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||The Texas A&M offer was for a lot less than that.||
My memory was that it was $250K, but wiki only says it was a little less than $3M over ten years.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||If Hoke gets fired, no chance of Mattison walking out.||
That's extremely unprofessional and a disservice to his players. He may not want to be the interim coach out of respect for Hoke, but I can't imagine Hoke would want his assistants to walk away.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||I've said in another thread why I don't like||
naming Nussmeier as the interim coach. Cliff notes version: he doesn't need the extra responsibility at this point, we're going to keep him if meets a very low bar for showing improvement rather than at least trying for a home run. The more I think about it, the more it seems my football based objections are moot. While Hoke deserves most of the blame for the handling of Shane Morris, Nuss is next in line. Given the firestorm going on, the interim is not going to be someone directly involved. That would only extend the controversy and that's the last thing Michigan will be looking for.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||That's a fair interpretation||
regarding Brandon. Another one is that this was Brandon's responsibilty, but he's had to step in and make sure it's done properly. Not exactly a vote of confidence. Since it was a top priority the option of waiting or bypassing Brandon wasn't viable.
 If Schlissel wanted to show public support for Brandon, I don't think we would need to read between the lines to find it.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Pretty sure that athletic department funds||
pay all of the salaries for people that work there with the exception of the compliance office. I would think they would also be responsible for buyouts of those salaries.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||a little perspective||
Michigan took in over $350 million last year in donations. They have announced a campaign to raise $3.2 billion more. The regents care about that. I can only imagine what their fundraisers are hearing. Buyouts are very small potatoes relative to the bad publicity.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Not a single word of support||
for Brandon or Hoke and condemnation for the procedures they had in place. Schissel is addressing the most important issue first, that the school needs to do a better job of protecting its players. I notice that he's taking the responsibility for doing something that would generally be the AD's job.
I'm not seeing anything to suggest jobs are safe or that anything is getting swept under the rug. It takes a little longer to follow the proper procedures for dismissing people. I don't expect it to take long.
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just to inform us of that pertinent fact. Much appreciated.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||He's the co-chair of the brain injury caucus,||
not some random politician looking for cheap publicity. He's not calling for a congressional investigation, but asking the Big Ten to do a better job enforcing good safety protocols. I find it hard to find any fault with that.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||In what possible way could this be a political move?||
They're going to have a public meeting when they're ready to act. A few hours after Brandon's statement is too soon for that. There are surely a lot of discussions going on in private.They'll reach a consensus behind the scenes rather than risk a messy argument at an open meeting.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Nuss didn't have to run out on the field.||
All he had to do was not send in the next play. Morris would have no option but to call a TO.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||I really don't want to see Nussmeier as the interim HC.||
I don't want anyone auditioning for the HC job. The problem is that even a very mediocre finish to the season can be seen as promising, considering where we're headed now. The players are almost always in the coach's corner and we'll keep him without a search.
While I don't pretend to know how a coaching search will turn out, I don't think we're risking very much at least trying for a home run hire. We're risking more by not trying. If Nuss turns the offense around, he'll get a look anyway. His chances of doing so are probably better without giving him additional responsibilities.
Whoever the interim is will be expected to give the coordinators free rein to do their jobs. Jackson and Hecklinski have experience at assistant HC, fwiw. I'd rather see one of them or Mattison and everyone knowing they are simply finishing out this season.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||This is a terrible idea for a thread.||
I hope the mods agree.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||very good points||
I am reminded of the Declan Sullivan tragedy at ND. There was a lot of blame to go around for the staff on the ground, but it was the AD's responsibilty to set safety guidlines that would have prevented it from happening.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||That's an interesting point about who||
can call timeouts. Nussmeier could have certainly gotten Shane to call one by not sending in a play.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Well done, OP.||
This thread was overdue. Shane deserves our respect and appreciation and he certainly has mine. I'll be rooting for him to bounce back from this experience and look forward to seeing him back on the field next season.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Ross said something on Friday.||
That was a very long time ago.
Since then, we've suffered a humiliating loss at home. Our prospects going forward have dropped like a rock. Much worse is that Michigan has found itself the target of the most negative publicity in the school's history. If someone wants to argue the Ed Martin scandal, you might be right and this is number two. I'm not saying it's the worst thing that's ever happened here, but the school is taking a ton of heat. The people most responsible were already on shaky ground, hence Ross' statement of support. The chances of a house cleaning taking place and soon have shot up. A new president with no loyaly to anyone involved is only the icing on the cake.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||another interpretation||
He wanted Shane to go to the ground to get an injury timeout. That's it. If he wanted Shane to get medical attention, he could have called a timeout to make sure he got it. What were his priorities? We can at least question whether Hoke noticed the injury at the time. Nussmeier noticed it and did nothing to help him.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||It's interesting that you mention Penn State.||
My guess is that he's removed before the next home game at the latest. This week seems more likely. Even if the decision has already made it could take a little time before they're ready to announce it.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Midwest recruiting ties||
You seem confused about my comments. At the least you misinterpreted them. In any case, your reply doesn't make sense to me.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||The best answer to your question||
is obviously the OP's title. We may not need patience to cut ties with Hoke, but we're going to need some moving forward.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Brandon's backing is buying Hoke a few days.||
I'd be very surprised if it were any more than that. The new president may not care that much about football, but he and the regents care a lot about protecting the school's reputation. Michigan is making a lot of press and it's all bad. They were even attacked on NPR this morning. I can only imagine the kind of feedback he and the regents are getting. I sure wouldn't want to be a university fundraiser today either.
The chances that they would defer to Brandon under these circumstances seem very remote. Whatever clout he once had is mostly gone anyway.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Agree 100% that the interim i already on staff.||
Mattison is the obvious choice. If he doesn't want it the next one up is less obvious. Jackson or Hecklinski would be my choices. I think Nussmeier would be an unwise choice. Having an interim coach who's auditioning for the job will complicate the coaching search. We've had a history of keeping the interims: Fisher, Ellerbe, Carr. Instead of a real coaching search we could end up with a decision based on whether he did enough to keep the job. He might not be a terrible hire, but that's not the process I want to see.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||I don't think that's true.||
Not unless he has a season ending injury. Of course we don't know the details of his injury, but if it's a broken bone he should be able to return soon.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||I'll go a step further.||
I don't think what's best for the team is the driving factor anymore. It's what's best for the school. Having Hoke isn't just bad for the team now. It's bringing a lot of negative attention to the university. The situation isn't all that similar, but I'm reminded of Petrino at Arkansas. He didn't get canned because that would help the team.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||I love this content.||
Having said that, I'm going to disagree about the significance of not having any midwest connections. That was one of the major perceived problems with RR. It wasn't just the Michigan man crap. He didn't have, and had trouble developing good local recruiting ties. Even with the changing demographics, they're very important. It's hard to draw consistently good classes without a strong base. I'm not saying that it can't be overcome, but so soon after RR, Michigan is going to give it weight.
Your solution of telling someone like Hudspeth how to assemble his staff is unrealistic. Do we really want the AD meddling like that? If you poach a coach from a school like LA-Lafayette, you're going to get most of his existing staff. You're going to be tripling their salaries. Maybe one or two are offered promotions to stay behind, but expect the rest of his staff to follow. I don't think there's any way around this.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||That decision is perhaps DB's to make today.||
I don't think it will be for long. I expect his bosses are going to step in very soon.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Exactly. Weis could make a good coordinator,||
but has proven that's all he's qualified to do.