he grew a beard
|1 hour 45 min ago||Worst thread title in history.||
Worst thread title in history.
|20 hours 14 min ago||Jim Harbaugh needs to buy up||
Jim Harbaugh needs to buy up a few of those unused tickets so he can keep the 100,000 streak going into his first year as our coach.
|22 hours 25 sec ago||Nah. They were just angry||
Nah. They were just angry about Blimpy Burger.
|22 hours 3 min ago||Colorado School of Mimes||
You have to admit that his record is pretty impressive. I mean, you have to teach them without talking. And when they screw up, you can't even yell at them!
|22 hours 10 min ago||You missed a great game.||
You missed a great game.
|1 day 12 hours ago||You must be thinking of||
You must be thinking of Pustulus Maximus.
|1 day 15 hours ago||I'm afraid.||
|1 day 16 hours ago||There are a bunch of||
There are a bunch of Baltimore (MD) Gilman players expected to visit, too:
|1 day 16 hours ago||Yeah, it's Grant Perry.||
Yeah, it's Grant Perry.
|1 day 17 hours ago||Eh, I'm not very impressed. I||
Eh, I'm not very impressed. I mean, I'm not 100% up to speed with what level of talent Mississippi State normally recruits. Virgil isn't really "reading" defenses. He's doing some very simple option reads, or he knows where he's going with the ball pre-snap. He doesn't go through progressions. I also think he makes some really bad decisions that end up turning out well for him just because the high school safety or linebacker on the other team is bad at football. He makes some poor reads in the run game and the pass game.
Anyway, I think the kid is a 3-star for a reason. I would not argue for him being ranked any higher. Of course, that's no reason to yank his scholarship in late November. If you don't like his athletic abilities, you shouldn't offer him in the first place.
|1 day 17 hours ago||(No subject)|
|1 day 17 hours ago||In fairness to Michigan,||
In fairness to Michigan, though...that 2010 class was terribly unproductive. I think out of the 27 players they signed, only Tacopants's little brother, Burritoshorts, was left after two seasons. And nobody wants Burritoshorts.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Yes. That was the question I||
Yes. That was the question I was answering.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Jeremy Clark. And Brady||
And Brady Pallante.
Both of them agreed to grayshirt and ended up starting off with scholarships.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Don't forget Ty Issac. I saw||
Don't forget Ty Issac.
I saw a mod at one of the pay sites spell his name "Issac" the other day, so I now have even less respect for him.
|1 day 19 hours ago||It counts as a sack, too.||
It counts as a sack, too.
|1 day 19 hours ago||The snow/cold weather is cold||
The snow/cold weather is cold for about 10 minutes. After that I pretty much forget about it.
|1 day 20 hours ago||it's not Rolando McClain. Or is it?|
|1 day 20 hours ago||That's not true! I have||
That's not true! I have forbidden it!
|1 day 20 hours ago||Snowy games are the||
Snowy games are the second-best kinds of games.
The best football weather is about 50 degrees - not too hot, not too cold when you're running around.
|1 day 20 hours ago||this guy?||
|1 day 20 hours ago||Please don't say things like||
Please don't say things like "irregardless."
|2 days 15 hours ago||Well, it doesn't help that||
Well, it doesn't help that Michigan is missing its best two running backs (Derrick Green and Ty Isaac) and the quarterback can't pass the ball and the receivers can't get open.
|2 days 15 hours ago||"The UFR is not about what||
"The UFR is not about what Hoke thinks rather it is about what fans think. I can't imagine fans are seriously listening to Hoke to shape their opinions on the performance of the players and team...not at this point at least."
My point is that it would be interesting to see whether Hoke's statement would agree with the UFR. I don't even always agree with Brian, but it would at least be discussion-worthy.
|2 days 18 hours ago||On a serious note, Hoke did||
On a serious note, Hoke did say that he thought the Northwestern game was the offensive line's best game this year. So while we might think it was a crapfest overall, there might be some indications that the offensive line is getting better.
|2 days 19 hours ago||Where do you think all that||
Where do you think all that student ticket money went? David Brandon funneled it to MGoBlog to allow us all to keep reading for free. WOTS is that Jim Hackett is reducing the price of water but instituting membership fees for the right to read Darker Blue's complaints and get inside info from RDT.
|2 days 19 hours ago||I want my free content, and I||
I want my free content, and I want it NOW!!!
|3 days 15 hours ago||Kate Upton will visit your||
Kate Upton will visit your house wearing Michigan socks.
|3 days 15 hours ago||What you seem to be saying is||
What you seem to be saying is that Hart, Perry, Terrell, Walker, Thomas, etc. didn't have great athleticism. And yes, the speed of the game increases when you go from college to the NFL, because you're weeding out the vast majority of college players.
What I'm saying is that Michigan (Lloyd Carr) took a bunch of those guys who weren't big enough or fast enough to make it in the NFL and turned out some pretty awesome seasons. Lloyd Carr made guys like Perry and Terrell look enticing enough to the NFL to make them look like first round picks. When they got to the NFL, the coaches and general managers realized, "Hey, this guy isn't so great after all."
Some people don't seem to respect that Carr took a ton of sub-optimal athletes and made them look like 1st or 2nd round picks. There are places you can look (USC, Miami, Oregon, etc.) where every dude runs a 4.4 and can do a backflip over the crossbar. I don't think Michigan was ever that place. Sure, we've had the occasional Charles Woodson or Braylon Edwards or LaMarr Woodley (legitimately good all-around athletes), but Carr was not blessed with a ton of great athletes at any given time. Tai Streets? Mike Hart? Brian Griese? Nobody will be doing Sports Science segments on those guys, but they were heroes and/or all-timers at Michigan.
|3 days 15 hours ago||You're conflating numerous||
You're conflating numerous things.
First of all, Jake Ryan's stats this season come in 10 games, while his 2012 stats came in 13 games. He's on pace for 108 tackles and about 16 tackles for loss this season (if Michigan plays 12 games). Those TFL numbers are excellent for a middle linebacker.
Furthermore, you mention the TFL's at the end of your post. But SAM linebacker in an Under defense is much easier to make tackles for loss, because you're essentially a defensive end and setting the edge, not wading through offensive guards and centers and fullbacks to get in the backfield like he now has to do.
Going back to the stats, David Harris had 96 tackles, 15 tackles for loss, and 3 sacks in 2006. He had Alan Branch and LaMarr Woodley taking up blockers in front of him. while Jake Ryan has Ryan Glasgow and Frank Clark.
You may not like a reliance on stats, but they're quantifiable. Forgive me, but I don't trust your "eyesight" more than mine.
Again, I'm not saying Jake Ryan is flawless. But the incessant watching/replaying/UFRing of Michigan's players means we're going to find flaws that we didn't find 10 years ago because of advances in technology, blogging, etc. If you go back and UFR those guys from the past, you'll find missed reads, poor technique, etc. Nobody can be perfect every down.
|3 days 19 hours ago||Every program offers kids||
Every program offers kids from around the country. Naturally, you strike out more often when you aim farther away.
|3 days 20 hours ago||"I trust what I see and what||
"I trust what I see and what that's saying, which for most of the season was that Ryan was still awesome once he diagnosed the play, but he misses chucks, gets out of his coverage often, and has a handful of plays per game when he's reading and gets blocked when he had somewhere to attack."
Frankly, this is where I believe the UFR stuff gets in the way of things. The UFR is not the end-all, be-all. Every time I read a UFR, I have numerous disagreements about the way it is graded and the things Brian says. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm always right, but I trust myself, too. The fact is that if you "UFR" any athlete or sporting event, you're going to come up with errors. Tom Brady would get negged. Peyton Manning would get negged. Ndamukong Suh would get negged. Ray Lewis would get negged. Miguel Cabrera would get negged. Mike Trout would get negged. Lebron James would get negged.
Jake Ryan makes mistakes. He's also won a couple Big Ten Defensive Player of the Week awards. You say that middle linebackers lead the league in tackles, but he's also #2 in the conference in tackles for loss among linebackers (#4 overall). Pretty much every team has three linebackers, so there are 42 linebackers and he's #2 in that category. You also say that Michigan hasn't played good offenses, but everyone has played their share of patsies by now. If you're going to knock Ryan, then you have to knock everyone else in the conference down a peg or two. Maybe Joey Bosa isn't a star, either, because he hasn't played a good offense except for MSU, either...
|4 days 14 hours ago||I look at it a different way.||
I look at it a different way. I don't have any statistics to back me up, but it seems to me that a lot of Michigan guys performed really well during college and then didn't do extremely well in the NFL. Obviously, there are guys like Tom Brady, David Harris, Steve Hutchinson, and Charles Woodson, who have continued their success at the next level. But Carr also had guys like Chris Perry, Anthony Thomas, Mike Hart, David Terrell, Marquis Walker, etc. who have done very little at the pro level. Some of these guys weren't world-dominating athletes whom Carr held back from being great. Some of them were just good athletes who peaked under Lloyd Carr and then fizzled out afterward.
Regardless, there aren't many "fluke" head coaches who win national championships. The vast majority of coaches who win national championships do so because they are very good coaches. Looking at our one NC coach in most of our lifetimes and saying "Eh, he was okay" just seems a little overboard to me.
Everyone has flaws (Nick Saban is an asshole and a liar and oversigns; Les Miles is a weirdo and makes strange in-game decisions; Jimbo Fisher is a slimeball). I just wish Michigan fans could sit back and realize how lucky we were to have a coach who brought us so many wins, happy moments, and a national championship. There are lots of college football fans who never get to see that moment. As a Lions fan, I've only seen one playoff victory and may never see them win a Super Bowl. That sucks. You've got to appreciate the good stuff when it happens.
|4 days 14 hours ago||Maybe he can get hired as||
Maybe he can get hired as Devin Funchess's personal tutor.
|4 days 14 hours ago||Your list of great coaches||
Your list of great coaches must be very short. There aren't many who both win AND innovate.
|4 days 14 hours ago||"Now, this year, he's doing||
"Now, this year, he's doing pretty well at middle linebacker (as our resident blind simpleton notes, he's having a very good statistical year!) facing off against...well, the best team we've played thus far is a two loss MSU and the defense got stomped."
Statistics are an easy way to quantify something that is otherwise difficult to explain. You can talk about a weakening of the schedule if you want, but Jake Ryan has done really well as the year has gone along. That indicates that there was a somewhat rough transition period for the first couple weeks, and then he improved. You mention that the whole defense got stomped, but that's the WHOLE defense. If the New England Patriots have an off night offensively, does that mean Tom Brady is a bad quarterback? No. It means that he had a bad night and/or so did his teammates. Ryan, in particular, had 12 tackles (second most this season) and 1 tackle for loss. Meanwhile, he's #7 in the conference in tackles and #4 in tackles for loss. Every team ends up playing a good team or two, a bad team or two, and a bunch of mediocre teams. All of the scheduling stuff evens out once you get about halfway through the season.
|4 days 15 hours ago||The reason people got annoyed||
The reason people got annoyed that you took Jake Ryan's star away (and I'm one of them) is that you gave Frank Clark one. Clark is/was a pretty good player, but he's not an All-American or a future first rounder. If Clark is where you set the bar for that particular achievement, then Ryan should get one, too.
|4 days 17 hours ago||I still don't get all the||
I still don't get all the bashing of Jake Ryan as a middle linebacker. Statistically, he's having his best season (90 tackles, 13 tackles for loss, 2 sacks) with two or three games to go. But hey, his first couple games this year were mediocre, so I guess the book has been written. Jim Harbaugh was 4-8 in his first season at Stanford, so he must not be a good coach.
|4 days 17 hours ago||I agree with this. You||
I agree with this. You generally get to be a head coach by being a good assistant, but good followers don't always turn out to be great leaders. Personally, I don't think that a head coach's job is to groom the next head coach or head coaches in general. A good head coach is supposed to win football games, and Carr did a lot of that. Whether Mike Debord turned out to be a good head coach or not is irrelevant to whether Carr was a good coach or not.
I've said this before, but in a world of more parity in college football, Lloyd Carr won a national championship (which Schembechler never did) and he raised Michigan's all-time winning percentage. Those are the on-field things that matter.
|4 days 19 hours ago||If you punch a woman in the||
If you punch a woman in the face and slam her head against the wall, I don't really care what method is used to inform you that you have been kicked off of a football team.
|6 days 6 hours ago||"Peterson's abilities simply||
"Peterson's abilities simply defy logic."
Such as his ability to beat children and avoid disciplinary meetings...
|6 days 12 hours ago||Curling.||
|6 days 17 hours ago||WTF? He didn't do anything||
WTF? He didn't do anything against Appalachian State...
...and he was a difference-maker against Northwestern, Penn State, etc.
But hey, I guess if the team isn't good, then everyone on it sucks, huh?
|6 days 19 hours ago||...except for Frank Clark. So||
...except for Frank Clark. So there goes 50% of your argument.
|6 days 19 hours ago||Based on the way Hoke has||
Based on the way Hoke has reacted in past criminal incidents (Glasgow, Toussaint, Furman, etc.), I don't think his reaction to this will be a black mark on Hoke's record.
|6 days 19 hours ago||Mario Ojemudia.||
|6 days 19 hours ago||I'm not using it to suggest||
I'm not using it to suggest the opposite. I'm using it to suggest that when he says Michigan doesn't recruit from "the hood," he's wrong.
|6 days 22 hours ago||I don't think Pellini works||
I don't think Pellini works at Nebraska.
Pelini, on the other hand...
|6 days 22 hours ago||You mean Ameer Abdullah, the||
You mean Ameer Abdullah, the guy averaging 6.5 yards/carry with 1,319 yards and 17 touchdowns, plus is coming off a knee injury he suffered two weeks ago? Yeah, what a putz...
|6 days 23 hours ago||Eat your heart out, Larry||
Eat your heart out, Larry Foote.
|1 week 9 hours ago||Not that it matters much, but||
Not that it matters much, but I'm sure Weber did not see Gordon's performance beforehand...
|1 week 11 hours ago||Do we really need to jump on||
Do we really need to jump on people who say stuff like "looks good to me"? Everybody has an opinion on everything - sports, music, movies, politics, food, etc. Message boards exist so opinions and information can be shared.
|1 week 12 hours ago||I didn't see this question||
I didn't see this question until now, but I posted my thoughts farther down in the thread.
|1 week 13 hours ago||You don't need to be much of||
You don't need to be much of an athlete to be a tight end. Look at A.J. Williams.
Seriously, there's no great way to project whether a QB can play another position other than running back, because the skills a QB displays do not relate to anything else. You don't see them catching the ball, blocking anybody, tackling anybody, etc. If you're a D-I athlete with the size to play tight end, you can probably play tight end.
|1 week 13 hours ago||"If they are going to be||
"If they are going to be back, they'll be in a much stronger position when that's confirmed."
I totally disagree. Even if they're given the go-ahead to return in 2015, Hoke will be on the hottest of hot seats after their performance this year.
|1 week 14 hours ago||I don't know. I've never seen||
I don't know. I've never seen him play TE. He's 6'4" or 6'5" and 210 lbs., so I guess the answer would be "yes" if he added weight.
|1 week 14 hours ago||This sounds like you're||
This sounds like you're making up excuses for not offering a guy that you, personally, just don't want.
Michigan has plenty of room in this class to take a QB if they want another one. There are no safeties graduating after this year, and we're bringing in Tyree Kinnel. Two corners (Raymon Taylor, Delonte Hollowell) are graduating, but we have a decent set of returnees (Countess, Stribling, Peppers) and several spots in the class.
Michigan's roster has been filled to the point where almost every spot is a luxury right now. You can afford to take the best available player at a lot of spots.
|1 week 14 hours ago||Personally, I'm not 100% sold||
Personally, I'm not 100% sold on Malzone, either. As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I think Michigan needs to get more competition at quarterback since nobody on the team has seized the backup role with any kind of promise. Michigan's backups (Morris, Bellomy) have 0 touchdowns and 9 interceptions in their combined careers.
As for Jackson himself, I've thought of him as an intriguing prospect for a while. Right now I think he's kind of a "system" guy who gets by on some very easy reads, a decently strong arm, and being a better athlete than most of the guys he plays against. He's not a dual-threat guy, in my opinion - he's a pocket quarterback. He's just a D-I athlete, and D-I athletes at quarterback often make non-college-level athletes look bad. I would say the majority of good pocket passers probably look like decent runners against high schoolers who will be going to community college, working at McDonald's, living in mom's basement, headed off to sit in lectures at WMU and work the desk in the dorm, etc.
If Jackson is going to play QB in college, I think he needs to go somewhere where they'll be running pistol/shotgun spread stuff. Teaching him to drop back from under center would be a huge developmental task.
|1 week 15 hours ago||(No subject)|
|1 week 15 hours ago||a) I don't know if I would||
a) I don't know if I would consider him "under the radar." He's been around, been scouted, and been offered by some schools.
b) I think people have a problem with your post because it was rather obvious that you were from the west side of Michigan (not that there's anything wrong with that), which means there might be some underlying bias. I also think people take offense because you're suggesting that he's better than "our guy" Malzone.
|1 week 15 hours ago||Personally, I think they||
Personally, I think they should continue throwing quarterbacks at the team until they find someone who can perform. Bellomy can't get it done (and might be gone by next year), Morris's performance has been highly questionable, and we have yet to see Speight or Malzone against college competition. You have to have options and create competition.
|1 week 15 hours ago||He's really not much of a||
He's really not much of a dual-threat guy. He's just not very fast. He's more of a pocket guy.
|1 week 15 hours ago||The coaching staff should||
The coaching staff should coach/act like they're going to be here for the long haul. If they think he's deserving of an offer, he should be offered. You can't just put everything off until everything is solidified. Michigan just offered a bunch of 2016 and a couple 2017 prospects, and that's what they should be doing.
If a new coaching staff is hired, it's their job to sort through the recruiting situation.
|1 week 18 hours ago||Note to self: every Twitter||
Note to self: every Twitter post by Brian, Ace, Seth, BiSB, or Adam deserves its own thread.
|1 week 1 day ago||Killing a deer with a car is||
Killing a deer with a car is the honorable way to go about it.
I don't go hiding in a blind or a tree or wearing camouflage or baiting my spot or anything. Nope. I drive in a big old thing with flashing lights that goes vroom vroom, and that's how I kill my deer.
|1 week 2 days ago||"In year one, they ended up||
"In year one, they ended up running the inverted veer wrong but got bailed out by Denard being Denard and OSU being down to a seriously injured freshman edition of Ryan Shazier."
It takes some gumption to say that a bunch of coaches getting paid a combined $4 million or so ran the inverted veer "wrong." There's more than one way to skin a cat. Did the play work? Yes, it did. So who's to say it was run incorrectly?
|1 week 2 days ago||FWIW, I disagree with a lot||
FWIW, I disagree with a lot of these minuses against defensive linemen. Mone (-2) on Tevin Coleman's 17-yarder when Bolden (-1) is the one whose gap gets attacked? Wormley (-1) for staying in his gap on a zone run, when it should be Ojemudia or perhaps Delano Hill filling the gap that's attacked?
Your #1 job as a defensive linemen is to maintain your gap. These guys are doing that, and they're being negged for it.
|1 week 3 days ago||Unfortunately, it seems like||
Unfortunately, it seems like a run of bad luck might be part of that. The top two recruits still on the team are both injured (Jabrill Peppers, Derrick Green), then there's Kyle Kalis, followed by Ondre Pipkins (coming off a torn ACL) and Drake Harris (hamstring issues). So four of Michigan's top 28 recruits over the last dozen years or so are currently on the shelf due to injury.
|1 week 3 days ago||Thanks!||
|1 week 3 days ago||Your mother wears combat||
Your mother wears combat boots.
|1 week 3 days ago||at different positions, yeah||
I like Wheatley, Jr. more as a defensive end, and I like Clark more as a tight end.
|1 week 3 days ago||Oh, cool. Thanks!||
Oh, cool. Thanks!
|1 week 3 days ago||Gruden? Shanahan? Mariucci?||
Gruden? Shanahan? Mariucci?
|1 week 3 days ago||A win is a win. I'm sorry,||
A win is a win. I'm sorry, but Michigan's defense dominated Northwestern for about three quarters of that game. And when Michigan needed a stop on the two-point conversion, they got it - Siemian was either going to get crushed, or he was going to throw back to the tight end, who was covered by Delano Hill.
|1 week 3 days ago||a medal?||
It is his job, after all...
|1 week 3 days ago||these things are not the same||
In the world of sports today, a coach in the final year of his contract is a disaster waiting to happen. And comparing Hoke to Carr is a little bit ridiculous, don't you think? Carr won a national championship in his third season, raised our all-time-best winning percentage, and had zero scandals during his time at Michigan. Of course someone like that could get by without signing long-term extensions. Hoke has had worse and worse performances every year of his coaching tenure and has 1 win only against Ohio State and Michigan State.
|1 week 4 days ago||Then what are we talking||
Then what are we talking about?
Foote's point is that we don't recruit from the hood. Hoke recruited from the "hood" and got Frank Clark. Clark is good at football.
Regardless of who recruited Jake Ryan, Jake Ryan is not from the hood. Ryan is good at football.
Two people. From two different regimes. Who are playing for the current coach. One is from the hood. One is not. Both are good.
Are they products of their childhood environment? Or are they products of their current coaching situation? Or is it a little of both?
I'd say it's a little of both, and that goes back to my original point: Teams are made up of all kinds of people.
|1 week 4 days ago||You know Devin Gardner is a||
You know Devin Gardner is a trust-fund baby, since he came from Inkster and everything... If there's any school known for the wealth of its students, it's Inkster. They're rolling in the dough.
|1 week 4 days ago||Yeah, we play soft (at||
Yeah, we play soft (at times). There are also teams who play soft with lots of recruits from "the hood." UNC recruits all kinds of players who apparently don't give a s*** about academics; they're currently #124 in total defense, giving up 510 yards/game, and they're 4-5.
By the way, I'm not going to get into saying which players are "from the hood" or not. I used Clark as an example because of that recent story about him growing up in L.A., being sent across the country alone, etc. But there are others, and it doesn't take much to figure out who they are.
|1 week 4 days ago||Jake Ryan is just as good or||
Jake Ryan is just as good or better than Clark. Is Jake Ryan from the hood?
|1 week 4 days ago||Michigan - and just about||
Michigan - and just about every football program - has consistently had players from a mix of backgrounds. Perhaps if Larry Foote comes back for a game, he can be introduced to Frank Clark.
|1 week 4 days ago||Perhaps, but you are||
Perhaps, but you are certainly whining about your right to "freedom of speech" on somebody else's blog being violated.
|1 week 4 days ago||Stop whining.||
|1 week 4 days ago||Thank you for discussing||
Thank you for discussing actual football!
|1 week 5 days ago||Shane Morris is awful. I hate||
Shane Morris is awful. I hate to say it, but he is. Maybe another year with some more experience and a full offseason of running with the ones will help. In the meantime, we have to ride or die with Gardner.
It's not that Gardner is good. It's that Gardner is the best we have.
|1 week 5 days ago||It's hard to tell. From what||
It's hard to tell. From what I remember, it looked like Gardner was giving a verbal snap count. But it is possible that they were going on a silent count, meaning that once Gardner gave the signal, the choice of when to snap that ball would have been Miller's.
Anyway, I have a hunch that some of the blame lies on Gardner, but Funchess surely bears some of the blame, too. My guess is that Jack Miller was a bit of an innocent bystander in that situation.
|1 week 5 days ago||So, in other words,||
So, in other words, Michigan's coaches and players were better prepared than Northwestern's. Ergo, Northwestern (Pat Fitzgerald) was outcoached by Michigan (Brady Hoke).
|1 week 5 days ago||I guess I should have been||
I guess I should have been more specific and pointed to the offensive line, not the offense in general. Last year we had pretty good skill players and no offensive line. Now we have a mediocre offensive line, but our skill players are depleted, injured, or ineffective. We just can't seem to put it all together.
|1 week 5 days ago||"I think we can both call for||
"I think we can both call for Hoke's dismissal as HC while simultaneously congratulating the defensive successes."
That's not really the point, though. The point is that Hoke is either in charge or he's not.
In my opinion, Hoke is in charge of the defense that is playing well. He's also in charge of the offense that is playing poorly. Mattison and Nussmeier also have large roles in that. Call for Hoke's head if you want, but that doesn't mean every part of his coaching tenure has been a failure.
I said the same thing during the Rodriguez tenure. Ultimately, he failed as a coach at Michigan, but he still recruited some good players, installed an offense that could be exciting at times, etc. Rodriguez was responsible for Scott Shafer's failure, Greg Robinson's failure, etc., but he was also at least partly responsible for Denard Robinson, David Molk, Taylor Lewan, etc.
|1 week 5 days ago||I really do believe that Hoke||
I really do believe that Hoke is essentially "hands off" when it comes to offense. He was a linebacker in college, and he has been a defensive line coach. He has said that he leaves the offense to his coordinators.
Yes, there is a general philosophy that he likes to use (big formations, big running backs, etc.), but the play calling and such are left to Nussmeier.
|1 week 5 days ago||They had 11. There was an||
They had 11. There was an incorrect message board post that suggest there were only 9.
This thread should probably be deleted so no incorrect rumors are spread further.
|1 week 5 days ago||Well, that's great, but I||
Well, that's great, but I don't think a lot of people want to hear that the offense is coming together. Because, frankly, the offense is the problem. If people see progress on offense, they're more likely to say "Well, the defense has been pretty good, so if the offense is improving, then why make a change?" I see what you're saying, but I also see a lot of evidence that people want this regime to crash and burn so there's no hope for Hoke to return.
|1 week 5 days ago||They're linked/quoted toward||
They're linked/quoted toward the bottom of the OP.
|1 week 5 days ago||no no no||
You can't have it both ways.
Either the head coach is responsible, or he's not. You can't give Mattison credit for the defensive play calling, but then blame Hoke for the offensive play calling. The fact is that he doesn't actually call any of the plays offensively or defensively.
So which is it going to be? Did Hoke's defensive coaching stop Northwestern? Or was it Doug Nussmeier's offense that allowed Northwestern to hang around?
|1 week 5 days ago||I put a poll up at TTB. 50%||
I put a poll up at TTB. 50% of respondents want Hoke fired at the end of the year. 20% want him fired right now. 4% want him fired if he loses one more time this year. 24% of them want Hoke to be given another year.
So when 70% of people (at least those who visit my site) think his fate should already be sealed, I don't think it's a stretch to say "Michigan fans think _________."
|1 week 5 days ago||Yep. If I'm watching him this||
Yep. If I'm watching him this season with an eye toward the draft, I'm telling him to a) step up his game over the last few weeks or b) stick around for another year. I don't think there's any way you can draft him in the first round with the way he's been playing over the past five games or so.
|1 week 5 days ago||Yep. Generally, when a guy||
Generally, when a guy does not realize he's supposed to go in motion, you might as well call a timeout. Because that means he doesn't know the play. When I saw Gardner trying to get Funchess to go in motion, I knew the play was doomed.
|1 week 5 days ago||Quick! Somebody get the Kate||
Quick! Somebody get the Kate Upton-flavored smelling salts!
|1 week 6 days ago||I'd rather have Hoke than||
I'd rather have Hoke than Kelly.
|2 weeks 9 hours ago||I wouldn't call Pat||
I wouldn't call Pat Fitzgerald an awful coach. He had Northwestern humming there for a while. Last year was rough, and this year they've had some bad luck with injuries, transfers, etc.
|2 weeks 14 hours ago||This is stupid.||
This is stupid.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||I'd like to see what someone||
I'd like to see what someone like Jourdan Lewis could do as a punt returner. Otherwise, I don't really think we have anyone who can do damage.
As a kick returner, I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Drake Johnson back deep. He has the straight-line speed and decisiveness to possibly make something happen on kick returns.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||I agree on Chesson as gunner||
I agree on Chesson as gunner when he's healthy, but he hasn't been playing as much the past couple weeks and seems to be banged up. Early in the season he was a nightmare for opponents to try to block.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||The other punt returner has||
The other punt returner has been Amara Darboh. He is basically Greg Mathews.
|2 weeks 19 hours ago||Alcohol? No way. The OP is||
Alcohol? No way. The OP is only 14 years old.
Oh, wait. He used to go to high school with Alex Malzone, and he's also participating in No Shave November.
So he's definitely older than 14.
But he claims to be 14.
|2 weeks 19 hours ago||Also, there's no need for so||
Also, there's no need for so many f-ing posbangs. We've had 3 of them in the last 36 hours or so.
|2 weeks 19 hours ago||Yep. He's a troll.||
Yep. He's a troll.
|2 weeks 19 hours ago||He HAS been around. He's not||
He HAS been around. He's not the 14-year-old he claims to be.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Jake Ryan is tied for 13th in||
Jake Ryan is tied for 13th in tackles for loss with 12.5 (2nd in the Big Ten). He didn't rack those up against Appalachian State and Miami, either. He has 6.5 in the last three weeks against Big Ten competition. He is also tied for 36th in total tackles with 79 (5th in the Big Ten).
Justin Jackson deserves a star, apparently, but he's #45 in rushing yardage, #39 in rushing yards/game, and not even in the top 100 with his 4.59 yards/carry.
This is absolutely confirmation bias. Somebody was expecting Jake Ryan to be a world-destroying star with 110 tackles, 20 tackles for loss, and 8 sacks by now. And since he "underperformed" for the first couple weeks while adjusting to a new position, some people think he's just a Joe Schmoe.
FWIW, I agree that Justin Jackson deserves a star. He's a pretty good running back, and I think he's probably the best player on their offense. But Jake Ryan is having a pretty darn good year and is statistically superior. Just because Brian says his pass drops need work doesn't mean he's an average, run-of-the-mill player. Mike Hart didn't have top-end speed. Would he not be worthy of a star? Denard Robinson was inaccurate and turned the ball over too much. Would he not be worthy of a star?
|2 weeks 1 day ago||So you "lied" about your age||
So you "lied" about your age earlier this week, but now you want us to believe you when you tell us your age?
|2 weeks 1 day ago||thanks||
That's on the docket for next week, since it's a bye week. Unfortunately, I'm usually too busy during football season to do much other than my standard posts (a game recap, awards, ex-Wolverine updates, recruiting update, visitors list, game preview).
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah... He has said that||
Yeah... He has said that Malzone goes to his former high school, which would be tough if WolverinePatron is only 14. He also says that he's not shaving for "No Shave November," which is again a stretch for a 14-year-old. I'm not saying 14-year-olds can't change schools or can't grow facial hair, but...
|2 weeks 1 day ago||No...it's just "one of these||
No...it's just "one of these things is not like the other." All the other guys are recruits. Meanwhile, Stonum played here when you were in elementary school and got kicked off the team a few years ago.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I don't get it, either, and I||
I don't get it, either, and I don't expect Michigan to win out.
However, losing to Utah is not that big of a knock. They're currently #17 in the playoff rankings, and they have also beaten UCLA and USC. Their two losses are by a combined 4 points (to WSU and #14 ASU, the latter in overtime).
Personally, I think Hoke is gone, regardless of what happens. The only way I think he could keep his job is if Michigan turned into a juggernaut and obliterated the next three opponents, because then they could claim they're making progress. But this offense is incapable of obliterating anyone except the dregs of college football.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Darryl Stonum?||
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Yes. So it wouldn't||
Yes. So it wouldn't necessarily be the end of the world. You can still get some decent players at that point. You just have to choose carefully so you don't have a class full of Chris Barnetts and Tamani Carters.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Jabrill Peppers hasn't||
Jabrill Peppers hasn't transferred!
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Chris Clark has been "about||
Chris Clark has been "about gone" since he "committed."
|2 weeks 1 day ago||1. Yes, I think a new coach's||
1. Yes, I think a new coach's #1 goal would be to keep the current commits intact. It's a small class, but it's tough to rebuild from scratch. I've never seen a team literally get down to zero recruits upon a coaching change. At least a few of these guys are bound to stick with the program.
2. I think a new coaching staff - unless it's an absolute, slam-dunk hire - would have to settle for getting some low-rated prospects (Purdue commits, MAC commits, uncommitted guys, etc.) to sign. Harbaugh might be able to bring in some highly rated guys, or keep several of the current commits in the fold. Stitt would probably have a lot of work to do.
3. I hate the idea of banking scholarships. Ideally (for football competition's sake), you want to either a) oversign and kick kids off the team or b) have a bunch of small class, which means you're retaining your players, redshirting freshmen, etc. Since option A is stupid and classless, we should be trying for option B.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||None? I mean, I have Chris||
I mean, I have Chris Clark rated the highest, but I've never trusted his commitment, anyway. Brian Cole and Grant Newsome are the next highest rated.
I think losing Malzone would probably be the most concerning, because he's a leader and we definitely need a quarterback. At this point in the cycle, it would be tough to pull in a high-quality QB because most of them have already committed somewhere. We would probably have to flip someone who's committed to a lower-tier Big Ten school, a MAC school, etc.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||That's an odd question from||
That's an odd question from someone named "mgovegas."
|2 weeks 1 day ago||She's staring right into my||
She's staring right into my soul.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Five players had already||
Five players had already decommitted in this class. A sixth is not really a huge leap. I could understand your point if Kirkland were the first, but he was immediately preceded by Garrett Taylor...who was immediately preceded by Darian Roseboro...and so on.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Nuh-uh!||
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I'm not just saying this||
I'm not just saying this because he decommitted - I was actually never that high on Kirkland, anyway. I had him rated as a 69 out of 100. It's not a huge loss, in my opinion.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Even if Hoke isn't gone after||
Even if Hoke isn't gone after this year, you'd be playing for a coach whose seat is very, very, VERY hot in your freshman year. Then there would be a good chance that you're playing for a new coach as a sophomore/redshirt freshman in 2016.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Jake Fisher was honorable||
Jake Fisher was honorable mention All-Pac 10 as a true sophomore and a true junior. Right now he's in his third year of starting at Oregon. I'd say he's done pretty well.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Jake Fisher was in the class||
Jake Fisher was in the class of 2011.
Beaver and Newsome were both in the class of 2009, and they were replaced by Tate Forcier and Denard Robinson. I'd say that worked out pretty well for Michigan.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||On a note unrelated to||
On a note unrelated to injury, I always thought Lattimore was overrated as a college player. He didn't have great numbers (career 4.8 yards/carry), only reached 1,000 yards one time (as a freshman), and never looked explosive to me, even before that injury. I rooted for him to come back from that nasty leg injury, but I don't know that he would have been a quality NFL player even if he had remained healthy.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I read this "From the film||
I read this "From the film room" piece from Doug Skene on The Wolverine, and I guess I just don't see the same things he does. Some of our takeaways are similar, but Skene seems to think Harding's athleticism is a plus and reminds him of the small, quick Larry Foote. That comparison doesn't fit my opinion at all.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||It doesn't suck that he's||
It doesn't suck that he's getting a medical redshirt. What sucks is that the 5-star, top-3 player in the country (or so) has missed most of this season.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Expected. But it sucks.||
Expected. But it sucks.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Mealer also got a lot of||
Mealer also got a lot of support from the administration and coaches during his time here. Particularly in the form of help for his brother, Brock. So while I see your point, I think Michigan's athletic department employees did more for him and his family than the fans did. It's somewhat understandable that he would be a little bitter.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||I don't think David Brandon's||
I don't think David Brandon's presence had anything to do with the loss last week vs. the win this week. So yes, it's a coincidence.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Well, duh. Coaches consult||
Well, duh. Coaches consult each other all the time - head coaches with offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators with defensive line coaches, etc. Regardless, it's ultimately Hoke's decision. Jackson will put the guys on the field that Hoke wants out there.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||"The RB coach DOES determine||
"The RB coach DOES determine the RB depth chart. That is his job."
False. The head coach determines the depth chart. The running backs coach coaches the running backs.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Several players probably||
Several players probably could have had a good day. Indiana is roughly almost 80th in the nation against the run.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||He was the #2 back going into||
He was the #2 back going into the 2013 season.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Your post is a joke. a) I'm||
Your post is a joke.
a) I'm pretty sure you're not a better running backs coach than Fred Jackson.
b) The running backs coach is not the one who determines the depth chart.
|3 weeks 16 hours ago||You're welcome.||
|3 weeks 23 hours ago||Here are my thoughts on||
Here are my thoughts on Harding:
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Who are you supposed to be?||
Who are you supposed to be?
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Here are my thoughts on Dele'||
Here are my thoughts on Dele' Harding:
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Everyone's a Muggle that goes||
Everyone's a Muggle that goes to the basement of the Union.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||You probably can't, though.||
You probably can't, though.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||I agree on Hayes. I have||
I agree on Hayes. I have never been particularly impressed with Smith, who can run through some tackles but won't give you many explosive or chunk plays. Smith is a short-yardage guy. Hayes is the best option we have right now. I wish Green were healthy, even though he's not perfect, either.
Unrelated to this season, I think Ty Isaac might take the starting job next year.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||That's kids' stuff. I only||
That's kids' stuff. I only drink wine. From a box.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||I'll take 40, please.||
I'll take 40, please.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Logistically, I suppose it's||
Logistically, I suppose it's possible. I don't know why you would publicize it, though.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||No thanks.||
|3 weeks 2 days ago||First of all, I think all the||
First of all, I think all the pink stuff is stupid. Instead of buying pink stuff, Michigan ought to be just donating the same amount of money to cancer research.
HOWEVER, who really cares whether we wear pink stuff on Nov. 1 or Oct. 31? It's one day away, and it's not like people are going to tune in and say "Hey, they're wearing pink in November? This certainly doesn't have anything to do with breast cancer awareness. Michigan must have changed their school colors!"
|3 weeks 4 days ago||They're in the SEC. And||
They're in the SEC.
And they're better than us.
And Mark Stoops is a big name.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||It's okay to capitalize the||
It's okay to capitalize the "D" in "DeWeaver." I don't know why we're allergic to capitalizing the first letter of his last name.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||It doesn't seem mean-spirited||
It doesn't seem mean-spirited at all. It seems honest.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||If Rex Ryan were hired as||
If Rex Ryan were hired as Michigan's coach, I seriously might switch my allegiance to a school like Northwestern until he's fired. That guy is a buffoon.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Moeller has some health||
Moeller has some health issues. Basically, he's too old. I have read that he was actually considered during the coaching "search" in 2011, but he was ruled out because of those health problems.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Wait a minute...do you mean||
Wait a minute...do you mean that teams average fewer points against good teams, and more points against bad teams?!?!?!?!
|4 weeks 5 days ago||I disagree about the FSU||
I disagree about the FSU cornerback. Contact off the line of scrimmage is allowed.
They may not have been trying to do the right thing, but penalties in football are not based on the playbook. If a defensive end with C-gap responsibilities dips into the B-gap, that doesn't mean he can't be illegally held or chop-blocked. The rules still apply, whether defenders are doing the right thing or not.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||If you watch Fuller (#7), he||
If you watch Fuller (#7), he clearly has every intention of "blocking" the cornerback and zero intentions of running an actual pass route.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Yes - I wish he was playing||
Yes - I wish he was playing running back or maybe slot receiver at Michigan right now.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||"Notre Dame deserved to win||
"Notre Dame deserved to win that game, despite Jameis throwing darts the entire second half."
Except they didn't deserve to win the game. If they did, they wouldn't have committed a penalty to cost them the game.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Are you perfect at your job?||
Are you perfect at your job? If you work at McDonald's, have you ever forgotten to put ketchup on a cheeseburger? If you work at a bank, have you ever forgotten to have someone authorize a check? If you work as a camp counselor, have you ever forgotten the mosquito spray when you went out for a hike?
Since you forgot the ketchup that one time, I guess McDonald's should just forget the ketchup for the rest of the day.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||I've seen it called numerous||
I've seen it called numerous times before. I don't think we should get on the officials' case for paying too much attention to the game/rules.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||The first rule of MGoPoints||
The first rule of MGoPoints is do not talk about MGoPoints.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Take away Indiana. They're||
Take away Indiana. They're still averaging 45.5 points/game.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||I disagree. There were signs||
I disagree. There were signs of problems even when Rodriguez was there, but his offense alleviated some of the issues. The NFL didn't even want to give him a shot at quarterback, and even when Hoke/Borges used him "appropriately" in college, he was often ineffective.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||I wasn't the one who brought||
I wasn't the one who brought it up.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||I don't think I've said that||
I don't think I've said that he was "bad."
I see what you're saying, but the context that you provide can also be extended to numerous other players. We talk about the running backs struggling, but perhaps they would have been better with more of a passing threat under center. We talk about Devin Gardner and the running backs being bad, but the OL the past two seasons has been worse than it was in 2010 with Robinson.
Is it impressive? Some of it is, yeah. Some of it isn't.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||It's his third start this||
It's his third start this year.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Well, there are lots of||
Well, there are lots of things that could happen. Assuming there are no further "scandals" like the Gibbons case, the Morris incident, Stretchgate, etc., I think his return should be dependent on the rest of the year.
I think an 8-4 season (winning out) is definitely worth bringing him back. If he goes 7-5 but beats MSU and OSU, I think he should come back. If he goes 7-5 and beats OSU or MSU (but not both), then that's a gray area. Losses to both rivals would be a death knell.
I'm not ready for him to be fired yet. There are some signs of improvement. But they have to improve significantly in these last five games.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Well, MSU is averaging 47||
Well, MSU is averaging 47 points/game (#3) and giving up 21.6 points/game (#35). Overrated or not, they're winning by almost 4 touchdowns a game.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Hoke said that he expects||
Hoke said that he expects Gardner to be their QB against MSU.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||None were as highly ranked,||
None were as highly ranked, but like I said, you're also giving Denard a couple games against patsies to pad his stats a bit. Gardner had no such advantage. UMass was perhaps the worst team in the country that year, so that should average out pretty well with the game against Alabama. I think South Carolina (Devin's opponent) and Michigan State (Denard's opponent) were pretty similarly ranked, defensively.
EDIT: We're never going to get an apples-to-apples comparison. They didn't play the same opponents at the same time of year, etc. But the point remains that Gardner played the QB position better than Denard in 2012. I honestly can't even believe I have to make that argument. I thought that was pretty well understood. The 2013 and 2014 seasons obviously have not reflected well on Gardner, but the distinction in 2012 is pretty obvious.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||"The problem is that everyone||
"The problem is that everyone bitching about Denard as a QB fails to acknowledge everything positive he brought at the QB position."
That's hyperbole, and you know it. Everyone acknowledges that Denard was a great runner and had a great attitude.
"I know you're all about statistics in a vacuum, but context matters."
Denard played 3/8 games against ranked teams. Devin played 3/5 games against ranked teams. No, Gardner didn't play against Alabama or Michigan State, but he played some pretty solid teams. He also didn't have the advantage of playing against patsies like Air Force and UMass.
Regardless, Gardner had a better completion percentage (by 6%), a higher YPA (by 1.8 yards), more touchdowns (on 41 fewer attempts), and a higher PER (by 35 points).
|4 weeks 6 days ago||I am happy for him. Where did||
I am happy for him. Where did I say I wasn't?
|4 weeks 6 days ago||"I really don't get the||
"I really don't get the constant harping on Denard not being a good enough QB during his time here. He was, inarguably, exponentially better than every other QB on the roster from 2010 through 2012 (as Gardner's inconsistencies in the last two years have confirmed)."
I don't really know what your point is. Assuming he was the best QB on the roster, that doesn't change the fact that he was inconsistent. Jack Miller is the best center we have right now. Is he above reproach simply because there's nobody on the roster? Is everyone on Miami-OH's roster free from criticism simply because they're playing the best guys they have, despite being 1-7?
Also, Devin Gardner was a better quarterback than Denard Robinson was in 2012. That's what my own eyes tell me, and the numbers agree.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Well, I'm probably one of the||
Well, I'm probably one of the more vocal critics of Robinson's quarterback play. I feel your original comment was (directly or indirectly) aimed at me or people like me. I certainly miss Denard for several reasons, but I don't miss his quarterback play.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Brian often makes the point||
Brian often makes the point that Michigan's offense performed poorly in 2011. I think he's a little too harsh on Borges, but Michigan got a huge boost from its defense and running game. Fitzgerald Toussaint averaged 5.6 yards/carry and went over 1,100 yards that year. Denard threw 20 touchdowns and 15 picks. That's way too many turnovers. Michigan was #103 in interceptions thrown (16 total, 1 coming from Gardner). Denard had several good games, but any QB with 20 TD's/15 INT's is questionable.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||What you are saying here||
What you are saying here doesn't really seem relevant to me. I'm not questioning your affinity for Denard. He is/was an exciting player, broke lots of records, had a great attitude, etc.
It's absolutely, 100% fair to criticize his play at the quarterback position. You're right that Michigan wasn't just one player away from having a good team. Put him at running back (instead of, say, Vincent Smith), and you would still need to find another QB, perhaps some WR talent, a whole host of defensive talent, and some better coaches.
I love Dairy Queen. But I can also recognize that it's not the best place to get a post-workout snack. Those are two separate things.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||You can love him all you||
You can love him all you want. That's your prerogative.
It was a response to the person above who questioned whether people recognize his talent. It's not that simple. He was unquestionably talented, but it's also rational to think that his quarterback play left something to be desired.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Denard Robinson was a very||
Denard Robinson was a very good football player at Michigan, but he did not play the quarterback position well. He couldn't read defenses, was generally inaccurate as a passer, and he turned the ball over too much. We can say what we want about whether he was used properly or whatever - which is a separate discussion, in my opinion - but the bottom line is that he was asked to be a QB in a couple different systems, and only one of his four seasons reflected solid quarterback play (2010).
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Denard started last week||
Denard started last week (against Tennessee) and a few weeks ago (against San Diego).
|4 weeks 6 days ago||IIRC, he also started last||
IIRC, he also started last week.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||"Reading between the lines,||
"Reading between the lines, the players didn't have a lot of good to say about the RR defensive braintrust either."
When things go so poorly, you have to question the leadership. Michigan was not exceedingly talented at the time, but they did have some decent parts. Unfortunately, the coaches couldn't figure out a way to find success for the unit on the field. Considering that Scott Shafer has had pretty decent success everywhere else he's been, it looks dumber and dumber that Rodriguez neutered him and went with the 3-3-5 in the second half of 2008.
|5 weeks 11 hours ago||Hoke.||
|5 weeks 11 hours ago||Michigan fans: fretting about||
Michigan fans: fretting about the backup defensive coordinator since 2011.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Also, it wasn't the team that||
Also, it wasn't the team that Rich Rodriguez built that went 11-2. It was the team that Carr AND Rodriguez AND Hoke built that went 11-2. There were several key components that committed to Carr. There were several key components that committed to Rodriguez. And there was a small chunk that committed to Hoke. Regardless of who committed to whom, it was a completely new defense that Michigan installed, going from a 3-3-5 to a 4-3 Under. And the offense was significantly altered.
I don't know if you're anti-Hoke or pro-Rodriguez, but something is skewing your view.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||That's just flat-out false.||
That's just flat-out false. Martin did not decommit from Michigan. He was exploring others options. That would be the same as saying Darrin Kirkland has decommitted from Michigan at this time. It's simply not true.
And saying "you might as well credit Bo for blah blah blah," that's just utter bulls***. You lost any credibility in that conversation when you said that. Did Bo Schembechler offer Mike Martin a scholarship? Did he identify the talent and develop a relationship with Martin? Did he convince Mike Martin and his family that Michigan was the right place for him, athletically and academically? Martin was recruited by Lloyd Carr's Michigan football program, and he committed to the school. He remained committed through the regime change, despite exploring other options. If you don't think there's any boost provided by having him already committed in the class, then you're not thinking straight.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Unfortunately, that's not||
Unfortunately, that's not entirely accurate. Off the top of my head, Kenny Demens and Mike Martin both committed to Michigan during the Lloyd Carr era. Those are two key parts of that team.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Fine. But many of those||
Fine. But many of those statistics are dependent on the one statistic - carries. I also disagree that staying healthy is a talent. Part of staying healthy is simply genetics, body build, etc.
I'm not really sure what this argument is about, so I'm going to stop here. I think some people are good/great. You disagree. There's not much more that needs to be said.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||It's all semantics. I||
It's all semantics. I disagree with you about categorizing a couple of those players. But really, it just depends on my own personal interpretation of what the word "great" or "good" means.
All I'm doing is comparing statistics, and Minor compares favorably with Hart. I wouldn't say that Minor is a superior back to Hart because obviously Minor had health issues, and he wasn't the same type of leader. But if we're talking about pure ability to run the football, I would say that Minor is at least as good as Hart, if not better.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||That was sarcasm.||
That was sarcasm.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||I'm not sure what that means.||
I'm not sure what that means. This year is going forward from last year. Is Gedeon better than Jake Ryan? Better than James Ross?
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Fixed! Thanks.||
|5 weeks 1 day ago||We've got Brennen Beyer. He's||
We've got Brennen Beyer. He's got 4 sacks. What more do you want?
|5 weeks 1 day ago||That's a good choice. Safety||
That's a good choice. Safety is fun, too. Quarterback is sort of the glory position, but it also requires a lot of responsibility.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||By the way, the great Mike||
By the way, the great Mike Hart averaged 5.0 yards/carry with a better offensive line. And he scored 41 rushing touchdowns, twice as many as Minor but on three times as many carries.
If you project Minor's rushing stats onto Hart's 1,015 carries, you get Minor as the all-time leading rusher (tied with Hart, since they have the same YPC) and with about 62 career touchdowns. I know that's not a perfect comparison because of health, offensive lines, offense, etc., but it's something to consider.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Too pointy. Would not bang.||
Too pointy. Would not bang.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||With a patchwork offensive||
With a patchwork offensive line and crappy passing games, Minor averaged 5.0 yards/carry for his career and scored 20 touchdowns. Both numbers would have been better if he could have stayed healthy and/or had better talent surrounding him.
Toussaint averaged 5.6 yards/carry and had a lot of big plays in 2011.
Carlos Brown put up good numbers and had some impressive games. You could argue that he was a good running back (the offense's limitations were the same as Minor's).
If you think Brown was less than mediocre, then I think your standards are a wee bit high.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||So Fred Jackson gets zero||
So Fred Jackson gets zero credit for Mike Hart? That makes sense...