|2 days 9 hours ago||That only works if you're||
That only works if you're developing future leaders from within. Michigan has failed at this too. They aren't really the leaders or the best. Or victors for that matter.
|2 days 9 hours ago||I think these are a lot of||
I think these are a lot of same "internal problems" we keep hearing about. Just general incompetence and shooting themselves in the foot despite all of the resources and advantages they have. Michigan appears to be broken from the inside and I really don't feel like they are competent enough to turn it around and become a premier program again. I think Nebraska is our ceiling when it comes to football. Which, considering they win 9-10 games a year, I'd take in a heartbeat right now.
|3 days 4 hours ago||Forgot one||
I also forgot to mention that he and the board also recently killed a sizeable donation that would have gotten UAB out of the red and into the black. Can't remember if that was tied to the stadium thing or not.
|3 days 6 hours ago||There's more to this than money||
There's a lot more to this than profitability. Bear Brynat's son Paul "Little Bear" Bryant has tried to run UAB into the ground for years. Intentionally. He sits on the UAB board of trustees and has made several moves over the year to hurt UAB. For instance, he blocked UAB from hiring Jimbo Fisher back in 2006 because he felt that would hurt Alabama's chances of hiring Saban.
Little Bear has held a grudge against AUB for a long time and wants Alabama to be the only program in the state. He turns 70 in Feb, and a state law won't allow him to be on the board beyond that. So dismantling the UAB program would be the fullfillment of a lifelong quest.
|4 days 5 hours ago||Should've been benched a long time ago||
I hope he goes. Not becuase he's going to get drafter high, but because he displays a piss poor attitude on the field. Hoke should have nailed his ass to the bench a long time ago. You play hard or you don't play at all. I think it'll be addition by subtraction for the WR corps next season.
|4 days 5 hours ago||CFL life||
He should put in some more effort or he's gonna be enjoying that CFL life -- Ford Tauruses, part time jobs, bills, and an uncertain financial future.
|5 days 8 hours ago||Seems to be missing context||
Yeah, seems like that's missing some context. Its probably as simple as regents: "have you found any candidates for the permanent AD post?"
Hackett (probably): "No. We're going to be forming a search committee in the coming weeks."
Regents (probably): "Ahh...cool. In the event this takes a long time, how long can you stay on as interim AD? A year? Two years?"
Hackett (probably): "I could do two years."
Article: HACKETT HASN'T FOUND ANYONE, PLANS TO STAY ON TWO YEARS!!
|5 days 21 hours ago||Yeah, I think everyone except||
Yeah, I think everyone except the defense has checked out on the season. If they get down early to Ohio State, that game could get real ugly.
|5 days 21 hours ago||At this point, a good combine||
At this point, a good combine showing isn't going to offset all of the film on Funchess. He gets pushed around by DBs, drops way too many passes, shows no ability to fight for the ball, and doesn't block. He'll have to have a combine for the ages, and then interview his ass off to offset all of that bad tape.
There were 5 WRs and one TE in the first round last year. Funchess is neither the top TE or a top 5 WR so I don't see the 1st round projections. In the top 50, there were 8 WRs and 3 TEs taken. I don't think Funchess falls in that group either. Just too many question marks for him to be one of the top 50'ish players in the draft.
|5 days 21 hours ago||Agree on Butt||
Watching that game I kept thinking, thank god we have this guy coming back on offense next season. Seems like our only weapon.
|5 days 21 hours ago||C'mon||
C'mon just about every route a WR runs doesn't end with a reception. And not every pass is going to hit you in the numbers. Your job as a WR is to get open and catch whatever is thrown in your direction. And if its not thrown to you, block your ass off. These WRs aren't doing any of that. Hecklinski has done an awful job with them.
|5 days 21 hours ago||That moment sealed for me.||
That moment sealed for me. Dude ain't ready for the NFL. If a tiny college corner is doing that to you, NFL corners, LBs, and safeties are going to eat his lunch.
Which will probably be on the ground because Funchess dropped it.
|5 days 21 hours ago||But that's what I'm saying...what ability?||
But that's what I'm saying...what ability? Those first round projections were based on potential and results from early in the year, but he's been really bad the last several weeks. NFL scouts won't overlook that. He's not a TE in the NFL because he's allergic to blocking, and he's not even one of the top 10 WRs in college so definitely not a 1st rounder. He's played himself down into the 3rd'ish round I would think.
|5 days 22 hours ago||Me either||
He's gone from 1st rounder to a guy I'm not even sure I would draft because I don't know what he brings to the table. He doesn't have elite speed, strength, hands, or desire. He's just tall and can jump which doesn't take you very far in the NFL.
|5 days 23 hours ago||Doubt it. Most of them will||
Doubt it. Most of them will be at the end of their career or out of college before Michigan is at an "I regret" level.
|5 days 23 hours ago||They are a long way from||
They are a long way from being at an MSU level and even further from being at a CFB playoff level. It's gonna take YEARS to rebuild this.
|1 week 9 hours ago||So what?||
In a four year span (2010-2013) Michigan signed 26, 19, 25, 27 -- that's 97 recruits. So acording to you, Michigan must be super evil at recruiting too.
There are plenty of good reasons to sign lots of full classes and they aren't all nefarious.
|1 week 9 hours ago||Greyshirts have to pay their own way||
For some kids, a greyshirt isn't an option since you have to pay your own way and basically just be a student until the school decides to pay your way for you. For someone out of state, that can be a pretty big bill. Around $25k for a year according to Miss St's site. And if that same school had offered to give you a full ride, and then changed their minds a month and change before you were set to enroll, would you really trust that they were going to give you a scholarship after you enrolled?
So yeah, that's a pretty big deal.
|1 week 2 days ago||I think its all the things||
I think its all the things Brian and Seth have alluded to over the last several months. Things like DeBord and Carr still being around in the program and having influence. Michigan has gotten very stale and resistent to change, and they very much need of some change. When you still have a lot of old guard in place with all of their loyalties and influence, it can make change very painful or impossible. Its tough to introduce change if you have a bunch of coworkers grumbling "that's not how we do it here" behind your back. Just ask Rich Rod.
And Schlissel may be on to this with his notion that hiring an outsider for the AD role could be what's best for the program. Hell, Brandon may have even been on to this to an extent when he cleared out a bunch of people and brought in workers loyal to him and not some ghost of the program past. Brandon just did a lot of other shit wrong so it didn't quite work.
|1 week 2 days ago||Hey, at least we're winning||
For as shitty as things have been, I would say that winning 3 out of 4 actually does qualify as things are looking up. Add in the fact that the much despised Brandon is gone, and they are definitely looking up.
I mean the end result is the same, but at least its a little sunny on the way to our destination now instead of the normal gloom and doom.
|1 week 3 days ago||I'm with ya there||
Totally agree is the SEC, Pac-12, Big 12, and then everyone else.
I'd love to see FSU left out, but unless Florida or someone beats them its not going to happen. I mean, you wanna talk about bad schedules and beating no one...take a look at FSU's schedule. Yeesh. And way to barely beat a three (now four) loss Miami team.
I still like the idea of conf champs facing each other if its a close call between teams. And I think head-to-head should matter. So since I too think FSU isn't even a top 10 team let alone a top 4 team (seriously would you take them against any top 10 team right now?), I'd go with Oregon, Alabama, Baylor, and Ohio State. Those would be some fun semifinal matcups.
|1 week 3 days ago||More free time||
More free time
|1 week 3 days ago||I don't think the committee cares||
I don't think the committee cares or is going to buy in to all of that. At some point it becomes a "we only lose because we play each other and everyone is good" echo chamber effect. And if they have to choose between Mississippi State, Baylor, TCU, and Ohio State for the fourth slot, I think they'll lean towards the team that actually won their conference. I think Baylor and TCU will cancel each other out, Mississippi State loses points because their schedule is kinda weak and they didn't win their division or conference, and that leaves the door open for Ohio State.
For as good as OSU has looked lately, its pretty hard to argue that they don't deserve a shot. And frankly, I'd like to see the committee place some extra signifigance on actually winning your conference. You have four spots for 5 conf champs. It would be kinda shitty to have two champs sitting out in year one. If all things are equal for the fourth spot, give the nod to the team that won their conference.
|1 week 3 days ago||Assuming they beat Arkansas||
That's assuming Ole Miss beats Arkansas this weekend. They are only a 3pt favorite, Arkansas has been close to beating a lot of good teams this season, and finally notching a good win over LSU might give them the confidence boost to knock off Ole Miss at home.
A win over a three loss free-falling Ole Miss team wouldn't be as impressive. And winning their conference would probably give Ohio State the edge over Miss St for the fourth spot.
|1 week 3 days ago||LSU just got shutout by Arkansas||
I don't know how updated the Sagarin rankings are, but LSU just got shutout by Arkansas for their first SEC win in two years. So I (and likely the committee) would take that with a fairly large grain of salt.
|1 week 3 days ago||Quality wins||
Take a look at MSST's schedule. They get credit for beating a lot of teams that looked good at the time. They beat #8 LSU who is now 7-4, #6 TAMU who is now 7-4, and #2 Auburn who is now 7-3. Auburn is the only ranked team they've beaten and everyone else on their schedule has been terrible.
Compare that to Ohio State, who if they win the Big Ten championship game, will have wins over a ranked Michigan State and Wisconsin team. The committee has said they will take injuries into account and losing to Va Tech in Barrett's second game certainly fits the bill for that.
You may hate Ohio State just because they are Ohio State, but when you really look at the schedules and quality wins they aren't THAT different.
|1 week 3 days ago||He works for Yahoo||
Forde works for Yahoo. But let that bias shine through anyways.
|1 week 4 days ago||C'mon don't downplay it like it was a Diet Coke||
C'mon man...don't write off stealing a laptop like he stole someone's can of Diet Coke from the fridge. He went into a dorm room, and stole a laptop. There's no downplaying that. If it was a 50" LED TV would you downplay that too? Costs the same as a laptop.
|1 week 4 days ago||But that's why I asked what||
But that's why I asked what other details could make what happened OK. You have the visual evidence the cops saw, the statements from the witnesses in the room, and statements from the other guests in adjoining rooms. What story from Clark could possibly counteract all of that?
|1 week 4 days ago||It was the biggest news story||
It was the biggest news story out there for a long time. It was on ESPN, Fox, morning shows, nightly news shows....everywhere. Take off your tinfoil hat and quit blaming ESPN for every goddamn perceived ill in the world.
|1 week 4 days ago||He was a mid to late round||
He was a mid to late round pick before this. Now? He'll be lucky to be drafted. You can't introduce a draft pick who was arrested for beating his pregnant girlfriend.
|1 week 4 days ago||But that's where the||
But that's where the indefinite suspension works best. Indefinite can wind up being 4 hours or forever. Clearly he did something that warrants being removed from team activities until further notice.
|1 week 4 days ago||What other details would make||
What other details would make it OK? She had a spider on her face and in the midst of him trying to punch it off her, it jumped onto his nose and she tried to bite it off?
|1 week 4 days ago||With her younger brother in||
With her younger brother in the shower? GTFO man.
|1 week 4 days ago||At a minimum he should be||
At a minimum he should be suspended indefinitely immediately. Really bad look to leave his status unchanged.
|1 week 5 days ago||Get a tablet instead||
If you're only using it for surfing the web and email, get a tablet and a bluetooth keyboard instead. Probably cheaper, faster, and better.
|1 week 5 days ago||Indirectly, yes||
For instance, Alabama boosters paid off Nick Saban's house. If someone wants to hand you a bunch of money for no good reason at all, there's not much anyone can do about it.
|2 weeks 3 min ago||Fantasy?||
Who said he'd be living out his fantasy? And what does that have to do with anything?
Michigan's situation is pretty equivalent to Texas (who just hired a guy for $5M a year), so $4-5M is the minimum of what it's going to take to hire a top flight coach. Factor in that their top candidate is currently making $5M/yr and the program isn't in a position where they can afford miss on their third straight hire, that means opening up the bank.
|2 weeks 35 min ago||Right, and if you want to||
Right, and if you want to lure someone away from their current job, or from a higher level of their profession, you aren't going to do it by matching or going below their current salary. If Michigan is serious about trying to poach Harbaugh from the NFL, they need to go strong with an offer in the $5-7M range, not the $4-5M range.
Nothing says we really want you like a Brinks truck full of money.
|2 weeks 1 hour ago||I'm sorry but $4-5M isn't||
I'm sorry but $4-5M isn't getting a Harbaugh type guy.
|2 weeks 7 hours ago||Why would Barrett concede?||
Miller won't even be throwing until some time in the summer, so the Buckeyes will go through spring practice with Barrett as the QB too. With shoulder issues a big question mark for his potential NFL future, I could see Braxton going the Denard route and working out as a WR for the 2015 for the Buckeyes.
As good as he was, its going to be really hard to beat a red hot Barrett after sitting out an entire season. Not to mention Barrett will have an entire offseason to get even better than he was.
|2 weeks 8 hours ago||Agreed||
I took that to mean constantly having to talk about ADs and football and coaches is taking up a lot more of his time than it reasonably should. And only because its all a mess right now and he's the only adult left to deal with it, not because he doesn't like athletics.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Was thinking the same||
Especially with the way that some of the other top WRs have looked over the last couple of weeks. I know the media scouts still have him ranked high, but I wonder how much they've really looked at the film lately. Funchess has looked a lot more like a guy you take a flier on later in the draft than a first rounder.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||No kidding||
A stronger coach would have benched him a while ago. Funchess has been giving minimal effort for weeks. Sit his ass down and send a message to the rest of the team. Not like the team has anything to lose anyways. And I'm sure we have plenty of other people can not block people or drop passes.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Funchess has been out if it for weeks||
Funchess has looked off for weeks. And not in a way that has anything to do with injuries. It just looks like he genuinely does not give the slightest of shits. Dropped passes, no blocking, not fighting for the ball, and mental mistakes like this. Wonder how much he's killing his draft stock, because scouts will surely notice.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Nuss wasn't staying at||
Nuss wasn't staying at Alabama so I don't know if I'd really say he left there willingly to come to Michigan. Alabama was bringing in Kiffin no matter what. My guess is they let a few in the coaching community know Nuss was available to be poached without a fight.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||That would work in Jameis' favor too||
Having his attorney disbarred would work in having the trial delayed too. Would need some time for the new atty to take over the case.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Sometimes it's just best to||
Sometimes it's just best to move on. When the hot girl your dating suddenly develops a tail and there's 10 other equally as hot girls that want you, maybe just move on instead of waiting to see if that tail situation gets straightened out.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Why? They created this mess||
Why? They created this mess so why have sympathy for them?
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Goddamn people, if you're||
Goddamn people, if you're going to keep saying I'm wrong, please tell how I'm wrong.
EDIT: You know what? Don't tell me how I'm wrong. I'm so goddamn tired of explaining how redshirts work to people I really don't care anymore. Believe whatever the hell you want. Infinite eligibility for everyone.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||My bad on that part then||
You're right. For some reason I thought he redshirted his freshman year.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Isn't that what I said?||
Not sure what you guys are getting out of what I wrote, but that's the same as what I said. Medical redshirts/medical hardships don't matter at all until you've exhausted all of your other eligibility. We went through this with Devin Gardner when there were questions on whether or not his medical hardship had been granted. DG had redshirted one season before he got hurt and they went after a medical hardship for him. But that would only kick in once he exhausted all of his other eligibility.
Maybe you're getting caught up on the whole philosophical thing. My point with that is that before the medical hardship, Peppers had 4 years left to play 3 seasons. Meaning he still could take a normal redshirt season. But Peppers isn't going to redshirt because he's too damn good. So Michigan was really only looking at the possibility of having him for a max of three more seasons of playing time.
With the medical hardship now a factor, that restores a full season of play for Peppers, meaning Michigan can now get a max of four more years out of Jabrill. And because he won't be taking a normal redshirt season, philosophically this medical hardship waiver will make Jabrill -- if he's still here at that point -- the same as a fifth year senior that redshirted the normal route.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||How am I wrong?||
What part of what I said is wrong? You get five years to play four seasons in college. If you play any part of any game, that counts as a season. Because Peppers played this season, he still had four years left to play three seasons. But, because they are going to go after a medical hardship/redshirt for him, that restores a season for him. So instead of four years to play three seasons, he's back to having five to play four. He's essentially a member of the 2015 recruiting class now.
And again, none of this really matters because he'll likely never be around that long to make use of the extra years.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Philosophically he's kind of right||
Medical redshirts really only come into play for granting a sixth year of elligibility. You get your normal 4 to play 5, and a medical redshirt can grant a sixth year. So technically, its a medical redshirt, but in all likelihood if it ever comes up it'll philosophically be more like a redshirt/5th year.
But in reality none of it really matters since Peppers probably won't be here four years let alone five or six.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Along with teaching speed,||
Along with teaching speed, Michigan coaches probably also think they can teach their players to be competent.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||John L and Long||
I don't know why people give Long shit for hiring John L Smith. Your options for hiring someone midseason are slim to non exisitent. What was Long really supposed to do after firing Petrino? The season was shot, and if you don't have any qualified assistants on staff, you need to bring in someone from the outside. Smith was about the only option available.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Reminds me of the Tigers||
It all reminds me of when the Tigers were terrible in the early 2000s, and wanted to make a move towards being good. No one wanted to play for them because they were terrible. So the only way to get better was to pay way over market rate for guys like Pudge Rodriguez. That changed the culture and perception of the Tigers and eventually allowed them to sign and recruit players for a more reasonable rate.
The Big Ten and Michigan are in Detroit Tiger's 2004 territory. If they want to bring in a guy like Harbaugh, they need to offer in the $6-8M a year range and make him say no. Make the money outweigh the benefits the SEC and warmer climates can offer.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||True, but who brings in the food for all of those mouths?||
True, but who brings in the food for all of those mouths? If you don't invest in your breadwinners, then people are eventually going to go hungry. Trying to go cheap over $1-2M so you can spend a little extra on gymnastics, tennis, and field hockey doesn't make a lot of sense.
If you were in charge of a big company would you pay top dollar for a great sales staff? Or would you go cheap on sales so Jan in accounting and Pete down in the mail room can get a good raise?
Feed your breadwinners to keep the machine running and everyone stays happy.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Strong was definitely STRONG||
Even though it was L'ville, the Charlie Strong hire was definitely STRONG by Texas. Charlie was the hottest poachable coach out there last season, and had done a great job at L'Ville. That wasn't an average hire at all.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Seriously?||
C'mon if Hoke and Michigan won out there would be a ton of people calling for him to return. At that point the storyline would be that after another crushing loss to MSU, Hoke and Michigan dug deep, addressed the issues with the team, and FINALLY figure out how to turn Michigan into a winner.
It would be the worst case scenario in my opinion because there would be a lot of people calling for him to return, and people that still wanted him to go. And regardless of what happened you'd once again have a fractured fan base.
Then you complicate all of that by the fact that unless they extended him, it would be impossible to recruit due to the fact 2015 is the last year of Hoke's deal. There's no way he can recruit as a lame duck head coach.
If Hoke is coming back next season, he's back for the forseeable future because he's getting a contract extension. You can't bring back a lame duck head coach.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Meh||
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to openly lament what he's done to this football team and wish for his tenure to come to a swift end, but also be all HAVE A GREAT BDAY BUDDY!!!
You guys do what you want, but I'm not going to be emotionally bipolar when it comes to Hoke.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Maybe he'll get some new||
Maybe he'll get some new luggage and packing tape for his birthday.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Offensively he would kill it||
Offensively, he would kill it. But he'd have to be willing to upgrade his defensive staff to actually compete in the SEC. And I'm not sure if he's willing to go that route.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||You can find out tomorrow||
ESPN has a story and video coming out on Orgeron tomorrow that details what he's been up to.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||FSU fans are batshit insane||
The fact that FSU fans (including the author of this article) still think that there is some sort of jihad against Jameis is insane.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||For what it's worth this was||
For what it's worth this was written by an FSU grad. The wrath and lunacy of #FSUTwitter extends to print media as well.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||The reporter tweeter earlier||
The reporter tweeter earlier today they sent in FOIA requests three weeks ago. Michigan, being complete dicks when it comes to FOIA requests hasn't complied yet.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||It should be quick||
Deleting emails to get around FOIA is a big deal -- at least to journalists. And for as many high level journalists that Michigan has pissed off with their FOIA nonsense, you can bet every one of them is going to be trying their hardest to prove this. Schlissel can't afford to have Brandon in office when that story drops since it'll be a (another) national story. So its in the university's best interest to get this done quickly since the outrage will be far less if the story comes out and Branon has already been fired.
All he needs to do this afternoon is launch in internal investigation into the deleting of the emails. Start with the secretary and offer her protection in the event its true, since she's unlikely to find another 100k/yr secretary job. If its true, then fire him ASAP.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||double post||
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I don't think they will||
I don't think ESPN will because with a story like this, they need to be able to confirm it on their own. Same goes for the local Detroit news outlets. Their lawyers won't let them report this as news unless they can verify the news as legit. Its why ESPN has their own FOIA requests in. The thing you may seem them do something on in the future is Brandon's systemic purging of email history. That's a big story if you can prove it, and for as shitty as Michigan has been about FOIA requests, you can bet there are a lot of national journalists that will look into this to try and get the "fuck you" story.
But its doubtful any of that happens quickly since Michigan drags out the FOIA process as long as possible. If Schlissel has any doubt that he should fire Brandon, it would be in his best interest to do it before the journalists can prove something like this. Kill the scandal before it has a chance to reach the light of day. A story on Brandon being shady isn't as big of a story if he's already fired.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I don't like your comments,||
I don't like your comments, but I enjoy your avatar. So conflicted....
|4 weeks 3 days ago||No John||
No John. He has too many letters in his first name. We're sticking to three letters or less for the next coach, and ideally two letters. Gary, Lloyd, Rich, and Brady -- TOO MANY LETTERS. Bo just needed two letters in his name. Real Michigan Men don't fuck around with extra letters.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||They need to overpay||
Remember back when the Tigers were awful and they had to really overpay guys like Pudge to come here? That's just about where Michigan is at these days. If they want Harbaugh -- a guy that has a track record of turning things around at a similar school -- then just open up the checkbook, appeal to his ego, and agree to overpay him and make him the highest paid coach in CFB. Saban makes $7.3M. Offer Harbaugh $7.31.
At the end of the day, its only $2m/yr difference and if the team gets rolling again, that will more than pay for itself.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Its almost like...||
Its almost like Monterrey is a really nice part of the country where rich people with private jets like to go.
Or you know, HARBAUGH BABY!!!
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Preach on Daddy Warbucks!!||
Preach on Daddy Warbucks!!
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Really doubtful||
No recruit in their right mind is sticking with Michigan because of Hoke. The guys that are going to stick are ones that committed because its Michigan and not because of a coach.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Still plenty of time||
There's still plenty of time for things to play out. By the time Michigan fires Brandon, they should already have a short list for replacements. So if they do operation clean sweep and fire Brandon and Hoke Dec 1, that gives you about 2 weeks to name the placement, and gives the replacement 2-3 weeks to put together a list and get someone hired the first week of January.
Because keep in mind, hiring a sitting AD is going to be hard to do mid football season. If you want someone like Jeff Long you're not going to get him until after he's done with the College Football Playoff on Dec 8th. And if you want a Mullen or Harbaugh, they won't be available until January. Possibly even mid January. Penn State hired Bill O'Brien Jan 7th.
tl;dr -- Firing everyone after the season leaves plenty of time to hire a new AD and new coach by early Jan.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||FOIA||
FOIA isn't really a concern because we have the most draconian FOIA process in the country. You can't FOIA shit at Michigan without a massive hassle or budget for requests. If Michigan hires a top notch coach, what editorial department is really going to open the budget for a bunch of wild goose chase FOIA requests that at the end of the day may or may not reveal what every coaching search in the world does -- there were some back channel negotiations.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Kind of refreshing and encouraging||
Its actually kind of refreshing and encouraging in a way. If the younger guys on the roster want to stand up and do something like this to fire their teammates up, then more power to them. Its encouraging for the future leadership of the team, and speaks volumes about the current void.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||I wonder if they haven't broken the players though||
I agree that there is talent on the roster, but I'm wondering how much of that talent is still untapped, and how much is just broken or infected with poor coaching. I'm hopefull for the underclassmen on the roster, but for the junior and seniors, I think they are what they are at this point. Best case you probably get them to 75% of what their potential was entering the program.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Luke Del Rio||
They have Luke Del Rio as their backup QB. He was in the same class as Shane Morris and was always one of those guys that looked really good at camps despite being an unheralded recruit. He'll be a redshirt sophmore next season, and will be at least as good as our starting QB.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||This whole program is such a||
This whole program is such a steaming pile of shit right now, it makes me wonder how deep the problem runs, and if a new coach is even going to be able to fix it. The entire thing needs to be operation clean sweap. Just remove every one and anyone connected to the football team from the AD down to the water boy.
I mean the whole thing is so bad, that Sparty can kick us in the dick, talk shit about us after the game, and then we say "sorry" and I just shrug my shoulders at the whole thing. Its the same reaction as if I passed a stranger on the street and they told me they had a turkey sandwich for lunch. Cool story bro. None of it really phases me anymore, and the sad and worrying thing is that once you stop caring about something, its really hard to give a shit again. That worries me for 2015 and beyond.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||And maybe the captain of the||
And maybe the captain of the Titanic should be in charge of an entire fleet of ships. If Hoke goes, everyone goes. House cleaning time.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Doesn't matter if they have||
Doesn't matter if they have an iron curtain defense or not, we have a completely disfunctional wet paper towel of an offense. And we're well past the point of having nothing to lose. These guys have been playing with nothing to lose for weeks and have looked just as bad as they did before.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||You have Michigan scoring||
You have Michigan scoring more than 20 in every game. That's extremely unlikely since we've only score north of 20 three times this season - against Rutgers, App St, and Miami of Ohio. Indiana is the only team I see us scoring more than 20. Maybe Maryland at home.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Nice to se Hoke plays "just||
Nice to se Hoke plays "just the tip" with mental awareness.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||That's what I'm wondering.||
That's what I'm wondering. Unless you're Florida State where the fuck do you get a spear throw on the field? And they had to bring that from AA too.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Maybe they can do like they||
Maybe they can do like they did with the infamous halo. Fire the AD, remove it, and then pretend it never happened.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Would at least be a nice way||
Would at least be a nice way to politely remove them. Just honor the former players with their names on the luxury boxes or something.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||If you're going by recent||
If you're going by recent teams that have been good battles and challenging foes that provide good wins, then Northwestern has been our biggest rival the better part of the last decade. MSU and OSU are just teams that kick the shit out of us on the reg.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||I think $280. It's a 37.5%||
I think $280. It's a 37.5% drop which is unheard of.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||But that was at home||
Ohio State was at home though. If MSU was a home game, I'd buy into the anything can happen thing a little more since those kinds of flukey wins (BTW...I love that we're to the point where a win over MSU is considered a fluke) tend to happen at home.
And we still lost to Ohio State, so the anything that can happen in that game turned out to be the most probable thing that could happen -- a loss.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Institutional arrogance||
Due to the built in institutional arrogance, I wonder if Michigan can even play the underdog card. The whole "this is Michigan fergodsakes" and "leaders and best" doesn't really work with a "no one believe in us" mindset.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||No weapons for max protect||
Michigan doesn't have the weapons to go max protect and expect to do anything. If they cram 9 guys back there to protect Gardner and leave Funchess and someone else on the outside, MSU has the secondary to shut those guys down. So you'd wind up with Gardner looking around, finding nothing, and either forcing a throw that probably gets picked, or he gets sacked.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||That mantra should be dead after last year||
The "anything can happen" rivalry game mantra should be dead after last season.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Home v Road||
Factoring in the road game aspect is huge. Would be curious to see how we've done at home and on the road vs. comparable defenses over the last few years. Like how much worse have then been when facing a level 30'ish defense at home vs on the road.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Grammar mistake on my part||
Didn't mean to imply I thought things were moving in the right direction on defense, because we definitely weren't. Meant that as a program we were getting better every year.
And we agree that both coaches need to go. They are both failures in different/opposite ways.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Intangibles don't outweigh facts||
The intangibles here don't outweigh the facts that this has been a really poor team on the road and that they've failed in numerous back-to-the-wall situations. They have had their backs to the wall so many times over the last couple of seasons, that its just the norm for them. So there's no extra boost by being in a "no one believes in us" situation because no one has believed in them for a couple of seasons.
And I don't even know if you can say Michigan has talent on the roster. They have players that used to be thought of as talented, but expecting both sides of the ball to suddenly emerge as competent, let alone look like they are talented, is crazy.
Michigan's defense is vulnerable to smart and balanced offenses. MSU has that. Langford and Lippett will tear them up. And while MSU's defense isn't the force they were last season, they are still really good. And Michigan doesn't have the offensive firepower or competence to match them score for score.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||We're definitely worse||
We're definitely worse off now than before. The defense was a mess under RIch Rod, but at least things were moving in a good direction. Under Hoke the program is steadily moving backwards.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Defensively, yes. Recruiting, eh maybe||
Michigan is definitely better defensively, but I don't know about recruiting. Sure they land high in the recruiting rankings, but the players they recruit don't seem to amount to much. Which leads you to wonder if they are recruiting the right players. You can really only say you're doing well at recruiting when you're recruiting players that turn into good college players.
For instance, if the head of your HR department was hiring employees with good pedigrees out of college and they all wound up being in over their heads once they got into the office, would you say the HR person is doing a good job recruiting talent?
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Amazingly our offense isn't||
Amazingly our offense isn't what it was the last two years either
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Same here brother. And I||
Same here brother. And I still have no idea why I clicked on the thread since I was expecting lame whining either way.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Man, that's the saddest damn||
Man, that's the saddest damn thing I've read in a while. I used to live on South U and Backroom pizza was the best damn drunk food.
Does Pizza House still deliver at like 3am? I was so proud of myself the day I figured out that we could call in our order from the bar at closing time, and then the food would be getting delivered by the time we stumbled home.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Brandon did stay quiet on it||
It was the student body president that leaked the news at the regents meeting. And its actually a smart move on his part because he said he and Brandon had verbally agreed to lower prices for next season. Having the news out there now makes it damn near impossible to not lower prices even though it was only a verbal agreement. And hell, it may not have even been verbally agreed on. It could have been a convo like:
Student pres: "Will you lower ticket prices next season?"
Brandon: "Sure, that's something that we'll consider."
For all we know, he could have just backed Brandon into a corner that he can't get out of on prices.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah I don't really remember||
Yeah I don't really remember the last time I saw a Michigan RB carry a pile of tacklers, or you know, not go down on first contact.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||The other thing I've noticed||
The other thing I've noticed is that other teams players just look bigger than ours. I know a lot of our guys are young, but other teams' RBs legs always look like tree trunks compared to our guys' legs, their linebackers look bigger, and their OL and DL look bigger too. I mean if you watch some of the SEC teams and compare their players to ours, it looks like high school kids vs grown men.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||I disagree with those players||
I mentioned Lewis, but pretty much all of those players look about the same this year as they did last year. Stribling doens't even play this year, McCray and Gedeon barely see the field, and Taco is still just flashing the talent he has instead of harnessing it. Which granted is what a second year DE should be doing, but I'm not seeing improvement like you're apparently seeing from him.
Lewis is the only one that's made any sort of leap.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Combine star||
I think he could be a combine star. For as shitty as Michigan has been, he's probably flying under the national radar a bit. With his size and abilities, I could see him having a really good combine and shooting up the draft boards.
I just hope we don't break his body before then.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Pedigree maybe?||
Michigan State has started to develop a bit of a reputation for picking out and developing quarterbacks that can have success in the NFL. Cousins, Hoyer, and Stanton have all looked good this season. They even recruited Nick Foles (although he transfered after a year). So Cook would just be another in a long line of good QBs to come out of MSU lately.
Like it or not, MSU is basically Michigan in the late 90s at this point.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||What team are you watching?||
Seriously, what team are you watching? And do you watch other games in college football? This is a team that's headed for 4 or 5 wins at best and a third straight year with a declining win/loss record. That's not improvement no matter how many pairs of rose colored glasses you have on.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||By year 6??||
C'mon man...by year six? If you are a good coach and are good at developing talent, you should start to see players getting better in year two and three of their playing time. We're not seeing much of any of that with the players on the roster. Off the top of my head, I've got Lewis, Glasow (DL) and Henry as guys that have gotten noticeably better since they started playing. And that's about it.
Plenty of other teams see improvement and don't hide behind the "oh...if I only had 6 years..." excuse. You're either developing talent or you're not.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||No, but its not "as revealed to ESPN"||
It doesn't change the information, but it does change that Illitich "revealed this to ESPN." Outside of the McMurphy thing, there's no reporting here. Just repeating what was said elsewhere.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||This is what pisses me off||
This is what pisses me off most about Hoke. He talks and treats the fans and media like they are dumb. Like we'll just nod our head and say "oh...OK" at whatever nonsense he's selling because we're incapable of coming to some conclusions on our own. And to use the man's words against him, this is Michigan for god's sake. We're all pretty fucking smart. It ain't Buckhill Community College. We can read between the lines and see past your bullshit.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||So essentially other teams||
So essentially other teams are better at adapting and playing to their strengths than we are and that's not fair. Good job coach. Good job.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||And funny how that issue only||
And funny how that issue only seems to hurt our team.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Redshirts and medical redshirts are different||
But redshirts and medical redshirts are two different things. You have 5 years to play four seasons. Playing a snap of any season counts as one season. You can apply for a medical redshirt season, but that only takes place as a 5th or 6th year of eligibility after all other eligibility has expired.
Which in Peppers case, is probably moot.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Have you seen our 3rd quarters||
"Bad things don't usually happen at halftime." Uh...Michigan's performance in the third quarters of games would tend to disagree with you.
Although this was the first game since the Nebraska game in November of last year that we scored in the third quarter against a power 5 team. So...yay?
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Would be the same or worse.||
Would be the same or worse. Hole only has next year left on his contract. So if they don't fire him and bring him back without an extension then you'll have an entire year of recruiting with a hot seat coach who doesn't even know himself if he'll for sure be back in 2016. Almost impossible to recruit under those circumstances.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||No we do know. He's not being||
No we do know. He's not being sat out to teach him a lesson because that's fucking stupid. I swear the more games we lose the crazier and dumber our fan base gets.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||What the fuck people. He's||
What the fuck people. He's injured. Hoke doesn't disclose injury information unless they are out for the season. There's no conspiracy here. Put your tinfoil hats away.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||Pretty much. Dude has had a||
Pretty much. Dude has had a lot of kickoffs to return the last few years. Wonder where he ranks on an average return basis?
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Don't know if I'd consider||
Don't know if I'd consider anyone outside of Runyan solid. Most of our recruits are going to look around.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Need a new conductor first.||
Need a new conductor first.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||He may be insane||
I beleive Einstein said it best: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
The fact that we keep doing the same stupid shit every week and hear the same stupid quote every week drives me nuts. At some point, you have to have the self reflection to say, hey if the players are doing the same things every week, maybe its not them. Maybe its me.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Don't know if that was laughing||
Des looked like the kid on the playground that was tired of getting picked on. It was more of a "if I laugh, I won't cry" type of deal. And he's right. There's no logical college football based reason to talk about Michigan from a national perspective. The only reason they get talked about at all is that anything Michigan related is a huge source of ratings and buzz. Which...yay?
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah he's looks and sounds||
Yeah he's looks and sounds like a guy that doesn't even believe what he's saying anymore. Its why if they lose today I wouldn't be surprised to see him canned in the next few days. When you've lost the ability to believe what you're saying and convince others, then you're done as a leader.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||A lot of the self-inflicted||
A lot of the self-inflicted damage honestly doesn't make me hopeful for the future. While I think this is about as low as things go, I don't think there's a ton of upside to the program until the old guard (Lloyd Carr and his cronies) are gone or removed from power and influence. And that actually may be one of good things Brandon has done. Turning over a lot of the AD staff may have been a painful but necessary step to take. The fewer old guard we have lurking around the AD, the further away we can get from our inbred Michigan Man thinking.
Brandon just needs to finish the job and quit fucking up other things along the way. And honestly, his fuck ups aren't viewed in such a negative light if Hoke wasn't such a disaster (which granted is also partially one of his fuckups -- but who knows what influence Carr had on that hire). If Michigan was winning 9-10 games a season, most of Brandon's moves would be seen as trying to move an aging program into modern times.
All that said, I still think you clean Hoke and Brandon out and bring in someone else to usher the program into the modern era. Leave the stink of failure and growing pains on Brandon and start fresh.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||I've wondered the same things.||
I've wondered the same things.
I tend to think its #4. I just can't see how he keeps seeing these good practices and then the team plays so badly on Saturday. And I don't think its an act because he had that "I know you don't believe me" line about the practices in a presser a few weeks ago. So it makes me think he's lost sight of what a good practice actually is because there is no way you can have great practices and then fail at simple fundamental things on game day.
And I've also wondered about the family atmostphere thing too. That's great for selling a recruit on a program, but you never hear a guy mention a family atmosphere shaping him into a solid player. Its always along the lines of what Arizona DE Reggie Gilbert said about his position coach in that article on ESPN "I couldn't stand him. I'd never had a coach drill me that hard. Now I consider him the best coach I've ever played for."
I just don't get the sense that the coaches are really pushing the players.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Pretty much. Except we're||
Pretty much. Except we're shittier than Tiger and didn't get to dominate our sport or run loose on a bunch of strange.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||The sad day will come when||
The sad day will come when ESPN doesn't talk about us at all anymore. But that probably won't happen anytime soon. Yay giant alumni base that likes to hear about their team even when they are shitty.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||That's what I worry about most||
This is what I worry about most when it comes to bringing in a new coach. Whoever it is, is going to have to be able to teach players how to win because after this senior class leaves the majority of the roster -- especially the freshman and sophomores -- will have lost more than they won in their time here.
The underdog thing will only go so far this time around. They will need a coach that can bring in a culture of winning and teach these kids what it takes to be winners.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Here's how I see it||
I look at it as they looked at what Denard and co. was good at when they took over and decided that they clearly couldn't be a standard ground and pound style offense, so they found things that were working before and that they felt comfortable calling and just went with it.
I think starting with the practices leading up to the Sugar Bowl, they started to try and transition to the type of offense they would like to run instead of the one they had to run. And they've continued down that path to disasterous results ever since.
And a lot of it just goes back to bad coaching. Rich Rod's players were all very well coached on the finer points of offensive execution. As we've moved further away from those teachings, we're left where we are now -- wondering what (if anything) the offensive coaches are actually teaching the players because none of them look like they are learning or getting better and most look as clueless as the day they arrived on campus.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Its like being on the Titanic||
Its like being on the Titanic and getting worried about wet clothes.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah you have to wonder if||
Yeah you have to wonder if going to a bowl game is even a good thing. It would be another month of bad PR and bad coaching. There's very little positive in going to whatever bowl a 6-6 record would get you.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||They couldn't fire him after||
They couldn't fire him after last week because Hoke would have pretty good grounds for a wrongful termination lawsuit.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||People keep saying they're||
People keep saying they're fighting hard but I don't buy it. They look listless and just going through the motions out there. I mean how else do you explain all of the terrible third quarters? If they were really fighting hard they would come out with some fire and passion in the third quarter. Instead they just get their teeth kicked in.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||It removes the cloud from the||
It removes the cloud from the program. And a month is a long time of negative headlines when you're moving into peak recruiting season. Plus that loss to Ohio State won't come across as bad if there an interim around.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||You don't need a viable mid||
You don't need a viable mid season replacement. Sometimes it's just better to remove the limb and carry on without. Michigan is at that point with Hoke.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||I don't think so. If Michigan||
I don't think so. If Michigan is sitting at 2-6 or 2-7 you have to can him. It'll be obvious to anyone he's done, the team will be a mess and there will be no point to keeping him around. Clear him out, hope someone can provide a spark and get things moving in the right direction for 2015.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||My God...what have I done?!?||
My God...what have I done?!?
|8 weeks 6 hours ago||This team and coach is very||
This team and coach is very good at talking a good game, and poor at playing one. Tough to have faith in them -- even in an obvious "no one believes in us" situation.
And I don't even know if this is one of those "bet on the other team and feel good either way" games. Like if Michigan wins, I think I might be more bummed out that my bet loss.
Hey look! Dave Brandon has gotten me to care about money more than the team! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED everyone!!!
|8 weeks 9 hours ago||Its kind of interesting||
Its kind of interesting to look at this after a summer full of the court room drama over what constitutes being a student and whether or not student athletes are actually students. As much as the NCAA and others would like to argue that athletes are just like other students, its pretty easy to see when things like this pop up, that they are most certainly not like the rest of the students.
|8 weeks 11 hours ago||That's a lot better than Hoke so far||
Those 11 guys are a lot better than the list you could make for the Hoke all-stars. So far you've got:
Desmond Morgan (2011 - 3*)
Frank Clark (2011 - 3*)
Raymon Taylor (2011 - 3*)
Devin Funchess (2012 - 3*)
Willie Henry (2012 - 3*)
Jourdan Lewis (2013 - 4*)
Jake Butt (2013 - 4*)
Jabrill Peppers (2014 - 5*)
Mason Cole (2014 - 4*)
And that's about it in four recruiting classes. To go beyond that, you really have to stretch to find players that would be contributers on good teams. The jury is still very much out on everyone else.
|8 weeks 11 hours ago||Agreed, but||
I would agree with that. Just saying though that if it comes down to choosing between support for the med school or the athletic program, the university will choose med school almost every single time. They are much more vital to the school than the sports teams.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||For not doing the concussion||
For not doing the concussion test they deserve blame, I'll give you that. But Shane was playing very hobbled before the concussion and played 1 snap after the hit. That part isn't the trainers fault.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Can the trainers call time out?||
Injured players need to be on the sidelines to get checked out. And it should be up to the coach to see that he has a player that's showing signs of being hurt and to get him out of the game. The mere notion that a trainer should have to walk up to the head coach and implore him to take a timeout to remove a player from the game is laughable. Because if you need to do that (and it would appear that we're there) then you clearly have the wrong person in charge of a team. It doesn't take a trained doctor to notice someone walking with a limp or struggling to stand up.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Don't attack the golden goose||
Perhaps even more so than the law school and engineering school, the one sacred cow on this University is the medical school. The fact that Brandon thought it would be a good idea to absolve himself and the coaching staff of any blame and instead direct it towards the medical staff and question their decision making and responsiveness should get him fired immediately. The athletic department is small potatoes to what the med school does for this University.
If anything prompts Schlissel to fire him, it'll be this. Know your place Dave. Don't attack the golden goose.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||President would value med over AD too||
It would count for a lot if they did since the University will hang its hat on the medical school any day of the week compared to the athletic department. In the grand scheme of things, this is a fishing boat taking on a destroyer. The Med School has revenue of $1.4B. The minute someone starts questioning our doctors should be a major red flag to Schlissel.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Throwing the trainers under the bus||
If I were a trainer, I would be so incredibly pissed at getting thrown under the bus for this. During the next several games, I would pull players off constantly at the slightly hint of injury.
I mean seriously, fuck these clowns. They make me so angry.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Channel 4 was promoting theirs||
WDIV was promoting their interview with Brandon earlier today. All stations would have had the same "don't promote it" conditions, so since WDIV was promoting theirs, WXYZ decided to throw some shade at them and let people know they had an interview too.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Outrage is about the ankle too||
Plently of people were saying Hoke needed to take Morris out well before the helmet shot. On the radio they were pretty much aghast that he was still in there hobbling around. And then he got clocked.
Its the whole reason "I'd never play a player injured" line from Hoke rings mighty hollow.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Its mostly women's bball violations||
I know this is going to upset the masses and its kind of dumb that no one has mentioned it yet, but its mostly women's basketball violations that they are under investigation for. And of the things the football team is being investigated for, they are all minor things and things from over 3 years ago.
Of course all of this in the article, but I know we can't be bothered by reading.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Because he's old as fuck and||
Because he's old as fuck and the game has passed him by, that's why.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||You're wrong||
The nightly news show and morning shows went big on this before ESPN started covering it like they are now where its been a topic on just about every single show the last day and a half. And you're just really delusional if you think TV and print people are reading MGoBlog and saying, oh well they are talking about it here, so I guess I'll right a story on it or devote a segment of my show to it. When its referenced at all its usually just a simple line of the story -- basically the fans perspective in all of this. And the reference a lot of other things besides MGoBlog.
Long story short, your perceived influence of MGoBlog and its actual influence are two very, very different things.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||A recruiting tool?||
The streak doesn't mean shit to a 16 or 17 year old kid. Being able to potentially play in front of a bunch of people does though and the Big House hasn't been packed lately for quite a while.
And the thing that means most to recruits is winning. Tiebreakers don't go to "oh, well that school's stadium hold 12k more than this other school." They go to the team that's winning.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Magnus, you're living in a pipe dream||
C'mon...it will amplify the calls for his head? How can things be amplified any more than they already are? Every national outlet from the Today Show to ABC World News Tonight, to every single program on ESPN is talking about this and Hoke's job status. And you think MGoBlog is going to have more of an impact? Get real man.
Michigan's streak of 100k is already over. Last game there was clealy under a 100k. It will end officially when the AD stops fudging the number.
And your cries of "the team, etc" here are out of place. Blinding supporting something regardless of what's happening is foolish. The only way to influence the situation is by voicing yourself through your wallet and presense. You can support the players, but you don't have to also support the athletic department at the same time.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Peppers was injured||
Peppers was pretty injured earlier in the week from what I heard. Nothing to the mouthing off at practice stuff.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Hoke as the Big Lebowski||
This scene seems relevant these days.
http://youtu.be/bbJ-4vuffhI?t=8s (link because I suck at embedding)
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Hey, looks like I was||
Hey, looks like I was right...unfortunately. Glad to see some part of the Michigan family has morals and ethics.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Clearly you've never tried to||
Clearly you've never tried to do that. Moving around quickly in a stadium from press to field level is tricky. It's at least a 5-10min process.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Plus they already announced||
Plus they already announced he has an ankle injury. There's no difference between announcing that and if he does or does not have a concussion, or sprained knee, or broken jaw.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Why not? What's the||
Why not? What's the difference between saying he has a high ankle sprain and he does or does not have a concussion? Athletes are announced that they have concussions all the time.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah I really can't think of||
Yeah I really can't think of another reason there would be a delay. As far as HIPAA concerns go they don't have to release medical records. All they have to say is he was or was not given a concussion test. That type of info is released all the time in sports. Really no different that saying Shane has an injured ankle.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Consider this: what if the||
Consider this: what if the athletic department told the medical staff to put out a release saying Morris is fine and didn't show any signs of concussion. But the medical staff, being actual doctors with morals and standards balked at that idea, and here we are waiting for a press release that's probably never coming. Plausible, right?
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Everyone know that Shane has||
Everyone know that Shane has an abnormally large chest that extends up into his neck and chin. The man is all torso and pecs.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||But we all know how terrible||
But we all know how terrible that turned out. Hopefully those in charged have learned that waiting to save $1M can cost you an entire recruiting class which winds up really hurting in year four.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||But random internet poster||
But random internet poster seemed so sure he knew what Hoke's contract meant with regards to his future here...
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Yes. Yes he will.||
Yes. Yes he will.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah the stay bonus is just||
Yeah the stay bonus is just something written into the original contract where if he's still the coach on day X, then he gets a bonus. It has zero to do with performance and is basically the same as roster bonuses in the NFL. If you're on the roster you get a bonus.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Gardner vs Ohio State||
Hoke left Gardner in vs Ohio State with a broken foot.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||SIS can kill you||
Second Impact Syndrome is a very big deal. There have been high school football players that have died from it. The two hits don't even have to come close together. Even if they are a week apart, it can still kill you.
I mean, we have a world class medical facility. The fact that we don't have some of the best medical care for these players on the sidelines is infuriating. There should have been a doctor on Shane ASAP after he came out, and he should have immediately been given a concussion test. How the fuck does a school like Michigan not have their act together in that regard??
|8 weeks 5 days ago||That's the fireable part to me||
That's the part of this that's fireable to me. Everyone on that field -- including the refs -- sees that the game should be stopped and Shane should come out. And Hoke is just like, fuck it, let's go. How Hoke and none of his coaches can see any of that, blows my mind.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I was listening too||
They didn't mention much about the hit being helmet to helmet, but just that he was shaken up and looking really gimpy. And they expressed the same concerns and disbelief that Shane was still in there. When I heard about them trying to get Shane to come out, my impression of it at the time was that Shane was being insubordinate by refusing to come out of the game. They clearly said Nuss was trying to get him out, but Shane wouldn't go out.
And at that point, my thought was why in the hell don't you take a time out and get him out of the game? I mean, who's in charge here, the players or the coaches? If I tell you to come out, you come out.
The whole thing was shitty.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Alabama's Reuben Foster and||
Alabama's Reuben Foster and his giant Auburn tattoo would disagree with you.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||That's kind of the best time||
That's kind of the best time to use a double stanndard, right?
|8 weeks 5 days ago||He has to go mid year now.||
He has to go mid year now. This team might only win 1-2 games the rest of the season. You need a mid year replacement to save face and sell recruits, boosters, and the media that things are headed in the right direction. You can't just let it circle the drain every week because you need to give your next coach some shot at success next season.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Won't happen. If Brandon||
Won't happen. If Brandon makes a supporting statement he's as good as gone. It's obvious to all Hoke needs to go at this point. If Brandon supports Hoke they are tied together and go down together.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||That's the part where I||
That's the part where I didn't understand why they didn't call time out. When the coaches are telling you to go down and come out of the game and the player waves them off, you call a time out and tell Shane to get the F off the field.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||And if you're going the John||
And if you're going the John L route, I think you have to go with Carr. If it means saving the program he might do it and he's probably the best temp option out there.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I don't think Mattison would||
I don't think Mattison would take it. If those two are as buddy buddy as they claim to be if Hoke is fired it actually wouldn't surprise me to see Mattison resign. They might have to pull an Arkansas and find their John L Smith to take the reigns for the season.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Hoke's not a fan just hanging||
Hoke's not a fan just hanging out down there. It's his job to watch the team on the field. The fact he didn't see his QB get battered or at least have an assistant that saw it who could tell him, is inexcusable. Hell, not having a headset on so someone in the booth could tell you is inexcusable. That's why people wear headsets.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Hey just because you've||
Hey just because you've arrived at rock bottom doesn't mean you can't set up camp and hang out there for a while.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||This ain't rock bottom||
Rock bottom is next week when we lose to Rutgers. Then we'll be at the bottom.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||But if we've been bad for||
But if we've been bad for three years straight are people really going to want to see Michigan get beat again next season? I think the fan base is to the point where even if it's MSU or OSU they are going to stay away because watching your team get beat is just depressing and a waste of $$$$. Just look at how many OSU fans have been in Michigan Stadium the last few times they've been here. People are staying away no matter the opponent.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||I would rather have seen||
I would rather have seen another stop or two between San Diego St and Michigan. IMO Michigan is a school that should be poaching from Power 5 conferences. Not a guy that's coached in 8 years in the MAC and whatever Conf SDSU is in. Show me you can get it done on the big stage. Michigan appears to have gambled and lost poorly.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||It's tough to get a read on||
It's tough to get a read on any of his coaching stops. He has a 9 win team, 10 win team, and an 11 win team. But the rest are all extremely middle of the road. I'd rather see sustained success, and Hoke only has sustained mediocrity.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah I'm starting to think he||
Yeah I'm starting to think he doesn't really know what a good week of practice looks like. And if they are actually consistently good, isn't that even more of a damning indictment of the coaching staff for not being able to come up with a good game plan on Saturdays?
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Two stops isn't really rising||
Two stops isn't really rising up the ranks. He was a mediocre coach at two schools before this. I don't think I'd really call that rising up the ranks.
|9 weeks 10 hours ago||Meh. Whatever...||
Don't think this one necesitates a meltdown. If he sticks, great. If not, best wishes. This team and program have a lot bigger issues than a DL that probably won't contribute much until 2-3 years from now.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||I read this in Tom Selleck's voice.||
I read this in Tom Selleck's voice. Which made it seem even more official.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||I'm with ya||
Was just providing some other examples of successful "old" coaches. If Michigan is going to go out on to the coaching search tree branch again, they need to make sure they find someone who has bonafide success and a proven track record. Regardless of age. The way I see it, they really only have one more shot at this before the program completely detaches from its legacy.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Bill Snyder is 74 and Spurrier is 69||
Bill Snyder is 74 and Spurrier is 69. You can coach for a while if you love it and are good enough. Les could go for 10 years in Ann Arbor if everything worked out.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||That's passing the buck||
Sure its the job of the punter to count players. Its also the job of the QB to watch the playclock, but you see coaches call timeout all the time because the clock is about to run out. So in the same way a coach is watching the clock, someone should be making sure we have all of the people on the field that need to be there.
That's why you have coaches. If it was just up to the players, there would be no need for a coach. In fact, constantly saying "we need to execute better" is also bullshit. If the players can't execute what you want them to do, find something that they are capable of doing. Its your job as a coach to put your players in the best position to win.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||I like that as a fan base||
I like that as a fan base we're to the "hey, we probably shouldn't be making fun of others because we really suck" phase.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Worked out that way for Hoke||
It worked out that way for Hoke. That 2011 schedule was set up nicely for either RichRod or Hoke. Same thing might be in place for whoever is coaching in 2015, although starting the season at Utah, and then games against Oregon State and BYU look quite a bit more intimidating now.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Firing midseason might be a positive||
I hoenstly don't think there would be much of a difference between a Hoke coached team this season and an interim coached team. Say you tag Mattison as interim. The defense is still the best part of the team and will play lights out for him. So that part doesn't change.
And given a little more freedom and some fire under their ass, maybe the offense gets it together. A firing would mitigate some of the remaining loses, and if they win it would give some positive momentum heading into next season.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Dammit||
Its 1:20pm and I'm at work, and your comment makes me want to go sit in a dark room and have a stiff drink. Its like thinking back on a good friend that's passed on.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||I stopped watching halfway through||
I had the opportunity to go to our city fair on Saturday. On any other Saturday in years past, I never would have done this. Michigan games were something you built your weekend around. But things are bad enough that I paused the game on Tivo after the punt return TD and left to go to the fair. The game was still very much up in the air at that point. I figured best case scenario, I come back and watch the win on Tivo, but if they lost, no biggie.
Didn't even realize what a departure from years past that was until now. And this Saturday won't be any different.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||I tend to agree||
I would tend to (hope) and agree. I think Shane rushes things too much and gets too anxious to make a play. I think (and hope) that if he gets some more game time, he'll learn to slow down and avoid careless mistakes.
But on the other hand, I saw him a good dozen times at camps when he was a recruit and he's still making a lot of the same mistakes. So who knows...
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Its all about toughness||
"Well, its all about toughness. Playing special teams with 11 players is what weak teams do. This team is about toughness. And making plays. If we put 10 men out there, they need to be able to execute our plan."