Mason NEEDS this, Pistons, after all you've put him through
|21 hours 51 min ago||Bread Bowl Pasta||
Don't forget, this is the dude that thought Bread Bowl Pasta was a solid idea. Marketing is clearly not is strong suit.
|21 hours 55 min ago||Ticket prices don't pay for that||
The money from tickets is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to what they rake in from the TV contracts. That money, plus large donation is what fuels the facility upgrades. Squeezing every dime you can out of your students (and future fanbase) does nothing to the bottom line but hurt it.
|22 hours 3 min ago||I would imagine the same or worse||
If they are pressuring students for tickets, things can't be going good with regular ticket holders. If things were going swimmingly outside of the student popluation, they'd probably be fine with a bunch of non-renewals. Just take those tickets and sell them to non-students.
But considering they are pressuring students to buy, I would guess that things are going worse for the non-student crowd. So they are now desperate for someone -- anyone -- to buy tickets.
|22 hours 8 min ago||$300 is a lot of money||
I could not disagree more with the "students who don't buy student tix are not fans" mantra. $300 is a lot of dough for a college kid. Its a good chunk of dough for non-college kids too. If I'm going to spend that kind of money, I better be getting something good in return. A night game against PSU and a collection of crappy home games is not worth that. And just because you don't blindly plunk down the money for tickets doesn't mean you're not a fan. Blinding buying season tickets regardless of what you're getting in return makes you a sucker.
If you're looking to spend $300 to be a "fan", I'd much rather do a roadtrip with a bunch of friends to NW or OSU or MSU. It would be a much better memory, more fun, and a better use of the money.
|23 hours 14 min ago||Hope a lot of students don't reup||
Hopefully a lot of students won't buy students tickets. The only way to let them know the product and slate of games are crap is by speaking with your wallet. Take the $295 and go buy a TV to watch on instead.
|1 day 17 hours ago||Not really||
A lot of the top QBs are off the board already. And the ones that are left don't have much interest in Michigan. With QBs committing really early in the process, changing OCs probably hurt us a bit on getting a commitment from a top QB. Michigan will most likely have to get lucky with a late rising prospect, or take a flier on a project QB.
|1 day 17 hours ago||Couldn't be more wrong||
You couldn't be more wrong about WolverineNation having even the slightest impact on their rankings. The two groups were completely independent and having more Michigan commits in their top 150/300 was a total non factor.
|1 day 17 hours ago||Max Browne||
Also, for being Rivals #1 QB, Max Browne still hasn't been able to grab the starting QB job at USC. They just named Cody Kessler their starter and he still has two years of eligibility left. If Ricky Town proves to be a star, then Browne might not get much PT at all there.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Yes, but...||
Yes but Livingston was a proven commodity. Dude was gonna be a star before he blew out his knee. Teams were taking a chance he would get back to what he was. Even 60-75% of what he was would be serviceable. Same goes for Oden on the Heat. And J. Howard on the Heat last season was also a proven commodity. The Heat could plug him in if they needed him and knew what they were getting.
|1 day 19 hours ago||The NBA is not a learning league||
I don't know why people keep thinking "oh, he can sit and learn how to play on team X". That's not how the NBA works. Either you can contribute in your first two years, or you are out of the league and replaced by the next young hyped guy (like D. Morris). Roster spots are at a premium, practice and teaching time is limited, and coaches don't have the time to teach some green kid how to play when they are worried about trying to win 50 games a season to save their own jobs.
This is why I don't think GR3 will make it. He needs to get a lot better at a lot of things, and the NBA isn't a place to do that. The jury is out on Mitch, but he's a big, and they'll give bigs more chances than athletic 3's.
|1 day 19 hours ago||The Heat offense||
The Heat offense is the way it is because they don't have any good bigs. Not because its some special offense that seeks to eliminate bigs from scoring. Mitch would fit perfect on that team (and many others). His energy and rebouding would make him an excellent off the bench big. And when Wade/LeBron/Chalmers drive the lane, Mitch would be one of their best options at cleaning up any mess.
|2 days 23 hours ago||But here's the problem with that||
People think Hoke and co can't close on top recruits late because other than Green, they really haven't been able to. With so much riding on this season for this recruiting class, if they want to reel in more top flight recruits to finish the class, they are going to have to be able to close.
So I don't think its that the perception has changed, or that we're spoiled, its that people are realistically looking at what will likely happen based on the past few years. It doesn't look like Michigan will have the majority of its class filled by the time the season starts, so that means they are going to have to close on kids late. And by the time the results are in on the season (November), a lot of these kids will have either committed elsewhere, or Michigan will have too much ground to make up.
So its pretty likely that they'll be in scramble mode at the end of the year and have to fill out this class with 3-stars instead of the 4 and 5-stars everyone would prefer.
|2 days 23 hours ago||Its a big wait and see season for most of them||
I think Michigan is going to have their work cut out for them with this class. Whether its realistic or not, you know other coaches are telling them Hoke could be gone after another lackluster season at Michigan. The rebuilding sales pitch doesn't work anymore, and now Hoke and co. can only sell results on the field.
So they either do well on the field and turn some of these maybes into commits, or they flounder again, and fill out the class with "leftoevers." Or they get fired, and someone else finishes the class.
|2 days 23 hours ago||Not so much 7-6 as it is 27 for 27||
Not so much 7-6 as it is 27 for 27. An inability to have any sort of rushing game is death for high profile RB recruiting.
|3 days 2 hours ago||Dare To Dream: Better Than Average||
Dare To Dream: Better Than Average
|6 days 16 hours ago||Better than we use ours||
Not to bring the cold hammer of truth down on your OSU put down, but have your seen our backs lately?
|1 week 1 day ago||Duke won the ACC Coastal, but lost conference||
You're kind of right. Duke won their division -- the ACC Coastal -- but wound up losing to FSU in the ACC title game.
But that still makes them better than Michigan as of late. In football anyways (basketball burn).
|1 week 1 day ago||Sounds logical||
I could definitely see him transfering to an ivy or a place like Stanford. Just not sure how easy it is to transfer to a place like that.
|1 week 1 day ago||Agreed -- except the never happy part||
I think Horford is a smart guy. He doesn't have an NBA future, and knows that he can get one year free to live in a place/environment of his choosing. So if he could go to someplace like UCLA or Stanford (just thinking of cool places I'd want to transfer to) why not do it? New environment, new experiences, why not?
|1 week 1 day ago||No it doens't||
This can only mean that Horford decided to move on. The two things aren't tied together.
|1 week 1 day ago||Staff has nothing to do with this||
I really doubt the staff has anything at all to do with this decision. Regardless of what may or may not be coming back, you don't tell a 5th year senior big man to kick rocks.
And on the sub 1% chance that they did tell him to kick rocks, why not just wait a few weeks until you know for sure whether or not GRIII and Mitch are coming back. This is all Horford's decision.
|1 week 1 day ago||Nothing to do with PT||
I don't think his move has anything to do with PT. As a guy whose future is not in the NBA, Horford is in search of something else. I mean, look at this quote: "As on all journeys, new paths must be taken and intuition must be trusted." Dude is looking for another growing and learning experience.
|1 week 2 days ago||That's what I think will happen too||
If there's no progress being made as a program for the fourth straight year, there's no reason to give it a shot in year five. Because realistically, what is the benchmark he needs to hit in year five for everyone to say "oh, Hoke's the guy for us"? It would have to be a Big Ten title, and in order to get there you need to sweep MSU and OSU. And that's a really tall task.
If its another mediocre year, you may as well cut ties and let someone else inherit that roster to hit the ground running with.
|1 week 2 days ago||How many years is that anyone else's fault but Hoke's?||
Its year four, how many more years can you keep trotting out "oh...we're young." Get it done man. Any and all excuses at this point are all on Hoke.
|1 week 2 days ago||I'm not so sure||
If Michigan has another 8-4 or 7-5 type of season, do you really need a fifth year of Brady Hoke to come to a verdict on him as a head coach? I don't think you do. And with the way the roster and schedule is stacked for the 2015 season, that would give a new coach the boost he needs for success and momentum.
So it really comes down to do you think Hoke and the program can benefit (after three straight subpar seasons) from a good 2015 season, or would having a new coach create more of a benefit? If Hoke has enough momentum against him by the end of the 2014 season, and you can find a suitable replacement, it might be time for a switch.
|1 week 2 days ago||38 sounds about right||
When I clicked on the thread I thought "Hoke is probably about 40." A kind of good, not really sure what he brings to the table, would probably replace him if I could get someone better type of coach.
He's got one, maybe two seasons to prove other wise.
|1 week 2 days ago||My how quickly we forget||
I'm amazed by that too. How quickly we forget the terrible history of Lions QBs. Stafford is at least the second best QB in Lions history,and easily the best in the last 50 years. I mean, the pantheon of Lions QBs reads: Bobby Layne, Stafford, Greg Landry, Scott Mitchell.
|1 week 3 days ago||Broadcast cameras and sports||
Broadcast cameras and sports in general are harder to shoot.
|1 week 3 days ago||Brutal schedule||
That would make for a brutal schedule for Notre Dame. If they are gunning for king of SOS in the new playoff world, mission accomplished.
|1 week 3 days ago||They might have used some of them though||
Like I said above, due to the Tigers and Pistons playing the same day, pretty much all of your good sports camera guys and control room people would have been working that. Michigan spring game is #3 on that pecking order, and since spring games aren't big ratings draws they might have had a smaller budget which means they very well could have been scrambling for cheap/available labor.
|1 week 3 days ago||There was also a Pistons game||
There was also a Pistons game that day so now you're down to your third string camera guys, directors, ADs, etc.
|1 week 3 days ago||Here's what I bet happened||
Knowing how TV production works, I would bet that Michigan, being the typical media unfriendly people they are, gave a very loose and uninformative or possibly even incorrect rundown of what the practice was supposed to be. So its quiet possible that the reason it looked like the director had no idea what he was doing, was in fact because he had no idea what the schedule of events was outside of "drills followed by scrimmage".
And that's probably why they spent so much time locked down on the interviews. At least those were something they could count on. And as for cameras not pointing at the action, that's probably due to the fact there was a Tigers home game that day and any good cameramen in the area would have been working that.
So sometimes, its not all BTN's fault.
|1 week 3 days ago||No kidding||
Talk about counting your chickens before they are hatched. Plus, this news about Lindsay visting OU and L'Ville was out before Brian posted 27 tickets, which made the inclusion even more surprising.
Maybe we should add Max Wittek to our QB "controversy" too. I hear he's looking to transfer as well.
|1 week 3 days ago||Lewan was living off the previous year||
Lewan's stock was living off the previous season. If he came into his senior year without much hype, I don't know how many people would look to the Michigan OL for good draft prospects.
|1 week 4 days ago||Harris isn't coming here man||
Harris isn't coming here man. I'll eat a hot dog if that happens.
|1 week 4 days ago||They might get worse||
This is our concern dude. With Gores meddling, they might actually get worse.
|1 week 4 days ago||I can confirm that||
I'm just under 6' (5' 11.75") and I stood face to face with Peppers during the Under Armour game practices and we're the same height. He's definitely not 6' 1". Although he's 18 and still growing, so he may get there.
|1 week 5 days ago||Again, did you read the article?||
I still get the sense that you haven't read the article, because this is the portion where she gives the line, and there's plenty of context:
The Rutgers athletics director, in a wide-ranging discussion with the class, was talking about her own rocky introduction with the media in New Jersey when … well, here is the exchange:
“If they’re not writing headlines that are getting our attention, they’re not selling ads – and they die,” Hermann told the Media Ethics and Law class. “And the Ledger almost died in June, right?”
“They might die again next month,” a student said.
“That would be great,” she replied. “I’m going to do all I can to not give them a headline to keep them alive.”
|1 week 5 days ago||He is a she||
C'mon man...at least read the article first before spewing your bullshit. Rutgers AD is Julie Hermann. A woman. So its "her reason to say that" and "her position." Also the whole "well Nazi's had (insert moronic thing you're trying to compare here)" line of logic is lazy, moronic, and insensitive. Be better than that.
|1 week 6 days ago||OC's don't make you throw late or loft passes||
All of the OCs changes have nothing to do with what you're seeing on the field. Late throws, lofted passes, throwing ill-advised passes into coverage, that's all on Devin. And its the same things we've seen since he's been here.
|1 week 6 days ago||Devin is the least of our worries||
Worrying about the QB play is like worrying about water damage when putting out a house fire.
|1 week 6 days ago||That's what's concerning||
That first pass is what's concerning about Devin. Its the same thing we've always seen from him, and that's concerning for a fifth year senior. He shouldn't be making those throws anymore.
|1 week 6 days ago||Been this way for a few years||
I think its been this way for a few years. They haven't had the depth for an actual game in years.
|1 week 6 days ago||Lewis is good||
I remember Lewis looking really good at The Opening when he was a HS senior. He was super skinny and needed a couple sammiches to play college ball though. So if he was able to bulk up, I can definitely see that.
|1 week 6 days ago||At least do some 7on7||
Seeing them do some 7on7 would be fun. There's enough depth to pull that off I think.
|2 weeks 3 hours ago||It may already be too late||
If Hoke turns in another 7-6 or 8-5 type season, there will be a loud portion of the alumni calling for his head. It'll be three subpar seasons in a row, which is deemed unacceptable here. And from that point on the "Hoke can't get it done" mantra will be loud almost regardless of what they do in 2015. They pretty much have to win a Big Ten championship in 2015 or the "Hoke can't get it done" chant will grow even louder. Couple that with the fact his contract is up in 2016, you'll be facing a season with a lame duck coach.
So the program is going to have to take some serious steps forward this year or it may be best to cut tie with Hoke and give the next coach a boost with that 2015 roster going forward.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Make the game first||
The team needs to set a goal of making the Big Ten championship game first. Then worry about winning it once you're there. Since they haven't really come close to making that game in its existance (remember when we were all worried about a repeat of The Game?), might want to focus on winning your division in the Big Ten first, and then add extra goals on top of that.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Could go 1-4 on the road easy||
The only road game on our schedule (ND, Rutgers, MSU, NW, OSU) I see as winnable is Rutgers. And given what happened with UConn and Akron last year, I don't even feel good about that one.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||How is it overblown?||
How is it overblown? They were 2-4 last year, 2-4 the year before, and 3-2 the year before that. And in two of the losses last year, they needed miracles to win (UConn, N'Western). So you could really easily argue that they are getting worse on the road instead of better.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Agreed, skilled =/= leader||
Just because you're the best player (Lewan) or QB (Gardner) doesn't mean you're the best leader. And you don't have to look any further than our own bball team for that. With guys like Novak and Morgan being outstanding leaders on the team.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Believe they used to be friends||
I believe Whitlock and Hoke used to be friends. And back when we were looking for a coach post RR, he campaigned for Hoke over Harbuagh. So its not just a passing man crush. They were aquainted enough that Whitlock was familiar with entire Hoke family down to the nieces and nephews.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Auburn||
That's basically what Auburn does, except it might be less than 10-12 plays. They just run them very fast and from different formations.
So if Michigan can master a tiny handful of plays and then learn to run multiple plays out of multiple formations, they could and should be fairly succesful.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||That's what I was trying to get at||
Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. Maybe I didn't word it right.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||But that's kind of why we're sad||
I think fans like to think of Michigan as a national program with Big Ten and national title aspirations. But the reality is we're the third best team in our divison, and the gap between third and second isn't really that close.
So maybe sad isn't quite the right term. Most in denial might be better.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||That's a rival, we're awful against the rest||
Sure, we're good against ND lately, but abysmal against the other more important rivals.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I'm regretting coming to this thread||
Not only has this thread bummed me out, its distracted me from doing the work I need to be doing for the last 30 min. And now I need to stay an extra 30 min to finish.
Double dong punch.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Too much negativity||
For me anyways, I'm with you in that I've been angry/annoyed for, I don't know, 6-7 years now? But I'm tired. Being continually angry and annoyed takes work. And I just don't have the energy to deal with that anymore. And that's where the sadness comes in. When you're too apathetic to be angry, and just look at the program as a shell of its former self, that's just sad. And one BCS bowl win amidst a sea of 8-5/7-6 seasons isn't going to fix that. Its been almost a decade of cloudy days, with one random sunny day in the middle, and that's just depressing.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Sigh||
Now we're using perpetually underachieving Notre Dame as an example of how we're still OK? They used to be the team we laughed at. And now they're our statistical company? Hell, they haven't won one since 1988, but at least they played in a national championship game this century.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Eight years of various excuses||
Its been eight years of "yeah, but if it wasn't for excuse du jour..." I don't care anymore. I don't care if the OL is shit, if the QBs are round pegs in square holes, if the LBs are inexperienced, if the CBs ligaments are exploding, if the OC is stuck in 1985....I just do not give a shit anymore.
Win. On. The. Field.
Excuses are for losers. Do better. And until then, we are what we are. Mediocre. Trying to rationalize it any other way just clouds the obvious.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Ditto||
I feel the same. At least when it comes to football (basketball has delightfully been the polar opposite). I don't even really care about recruiting anymore. Old recruits, new recruits...whatever. Same results on the field. And I want to be positive about Nuss, but I'm just tired of almost a decade of "this year will be diferent!" Eventually optimism gives way to realism. And realistically, we are a middle of the pack Big Ten team and have been for quite a while.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Expectations aren't that high though||
The expectations aren't that high though. It used to be win the Big Ten. That's not even the highest goal in CFB and we haven't come close to doing that. Now? The goal is to what, beat our rivals? I think a good amount of people would be happy to just split vs MSU and OSU. And when you're happy to take just one win against your rivals (because hey, its better than what we've been doing in that department lately) that screams sad fan base to me.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||They went 10-4 last season||
Uh, USC went 10-4 last season, and its the fourth time they've done that since 2006. Michigan has one 10-win season since 2006. So recent history -- sanctions and all -- still favors USC.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Who's been sadder?||
OK, I'll bite. Who has been sadder?
|2 weeks 4 days ago||That James Franklin is so hot||
That James Franklin is so hot right now.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Part of the reason the NBA has gotten bad||
I agree that the NBA scouts value potential above almost anything else. And that's why the NBA has gotten worse over the years. They keep drafting players that have "potential" instead of people that can actually play. Except, the NBA isn't a place that talent develops. Coaches play with the guys that can play, and don't have the time or patience to spend developing someone that might pay off in 2-3 years. Because if they don't win in their current season, they might not be around in 2-3 years.
Couple that with the fact that NBA rosters are so small, and these project players routinely get dumped in 2-3 years. You need to have at least one above average skill or trait to make it in the NBA. And since everyone is super athletic, athleticism doesn't count. Nik is a fantastic shooter and can live off of that. McGary (back willing) has hustle and energy to spare, and given his height can make it as a solid bench player at the very least. GRIII? He doesn't have much of a standout skill. Good in college, but that's about it. Reminds me a lot of Darius Morris when he came out. Needed to improve some of his skills, but chose to make the leap. And we all know how that turned out -- dumped in 2-3 years and currently in the no-man's land of 10-day contracts.
|3 weeks 21 hours ago||But he's a 2015 recruit||
By the time we have a 10-win season, Harris will already be enrolled somewhere else because this team ain't winning 10 games this season.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Not even 30 years ago||
Its not even 30 years ago. If you go back just 10-15 years ago, they had revenue of like 25% or less of what they do now. I'd bet that the 1997 team had revenue that's about 20% of what the 2014 team will have.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Pickles and mustard baby!||
I think pickles and mustard is the common ground in the burger vs hot dogs debate. Both work wonderfully on each.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||But that doesn't pay the bills||
Now that I think about it, I actually asked a boss of mine for a raise once. The company had never been doing better, we were cranking out a ton of extra work for no extra money, so the time was ripe to ask for a job. Very similar to what college athletes are going through now. You know what my boss told me? "These are the halcyon days, and you should just enjoy, and be happy to be a part of the organization. Plenty of people would kill to be in your spot."
Well, halcyon days don't pay the rent. And that was the end of the line for me. I had a new job in under a year. Most (like 98%) of these college athletes don't have that option. They aren't good enough to go pro, so they are stuck going to school, potentially in a major they'd rather not be in, while still having to "work" 40-50+ hours a week on football.
Just because you're doing something that lots of other people would like to do, doens't mean you shouldn't be rewarded accordingly. The scale has shifted in college sports, and the rewards are out of balance.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Who says they'd go D-II?||
There's been talk for a while now of the top 60-70 teams or so from the power conferences breaking away and creating their own "Super D-I" or something like that. Since they already have an unfair advantage in terms of resources, infrastructure, cash flow, etc it makes sense. Why should your Michigan and Ohio States of the CFB world base their decisions off of what is in Toledo's best interest.
So with that in mind, you'd basically have a semi-pro level D-I division, and then your "normal" D-I division. Since all of these sub-power D-I schools did just fine before the college sports boom, they should be able to continue to exist and give out 85 scholarships or close to it.
Basically, your MAC schools get stuck financially in like 2000, while the power conferences continue to expand and grow.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||This is what almost no one is talking about||
Yes this is money discussion in the no money thread, but whatev...
If student-athletes get reclassified as employees, then the real issue is going to be over what's considered income. And the NCAA will push for as much as they can because they know having to pay taxes on all of that will be a big hinderance for the athletes. Currently (at least I don't think so), they don't have to pay taxes on any of the benefits they get. If all of that tution, etc gets classified as income, they are all going to have big time taxes to pay. That might make a lot of them think twice about being considered employees.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Give me a break||
The other athletes are already on the short end of the stick. Nothing will change that. And the athletes already get "paid" through a variety of stipends and benefits. Having them get more benefits won't change a single thing. People will still love their university, will still cheer for their teams and players, and life will largely continue as normal.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||C'mon...there's a way to make it happen||
The money comes from the skyrocketing TV deals.
Look, no one said it would be easy. Doesn't mean it shouldn't happen though. Because don't forget, all of these schools and teams were doing just fine prior to the skyrocketing TV contracts and the extra money coming in from brand new networks.
For instance, a decade ago Michigan football was making around $20-25M a year, it made $46.8M in 2010-2011 and in 2011-12, they made $85M. That's astronomical growth and They will certainly be over $100M a year within a few years if they aren't there already. So there is plenty of money to go around. Maybe instead of growing support staffs and $250M renovations to buildings that don't really need to be renovated we give some of that to players.
And I bet that to a man, if you asked the players on the football team "would you rather have an extra $3k a month or a renovated practice facility" they would all choose the $3k.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||What's for dinner topic||
No discussion of food.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Would this logic fly at your job?||
If you boss came to you and said "Hey ChuckWood, profits are up 40% the past 5 years, but for the fifth year in a row, we just can't give you a raise. But fear not, more people are buying our product so its for the betterment of the business." I really doubt you'd be cool with that logic.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||That's already happening||
There's already a quickly growing divide between the power conferences and the MAC level conferences. Regardless of whether we start paying athletes, that chasm isn't going away. So they are already living on borrowed time. But they won't drop football or anything like that. D-II and D-III schools do just fine. They'll just have to stop trying to complete on a Big Ten/SEC playing field and live within their means so to speak.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Hasn't been a need for a table||
Up until now, there hasn't been a need for a table. Guess someone will have to go get one...
And no one is really arguing that they are getting a raw deal. They are getting a disproportionate deal. What's wrong with them wanting more? Money in college sports has skyrocketed. So its crazy that they want a little bit more?
And give me a break on the "landing a job at the good ol boy network." Thousands of athletes graduate or leave every year. There's only a couple dozen analyst jobs and only a couple new ones open a year.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||That's not the core issue||
I'm not sure if them being taken advantage of is what the core issue here is. They definitely already get a good amount of benefits. No one is debating that. All they are asking for is more because their slice of the pie hasn't changed as revenues have skyrocketed.
It would be like starting out with a small company that pulls in $50M a year in profits and you make $50k a year in salary. Initially, you're happy with this. But say after 10 years, your company is now making $5B a year in profits and minus some small raises, you're basically still making $50k a year. I think all of us would be in full on WTF mode and be demanding a slice of those profits.
That's what's happened in college sports. The athletes are already getting paid and getting benefits. They just want more. And to argue against it because "college football might change" is silly. It changed a long time ago. At least let the athletes we all cheer for benefit from some of that change.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Just because its hard doesn't mean it shouldnt happen||
That's what they have to figure out. And just because it might be hard and complicated doesn't mean they shouldn't do it or at least look into it. I think a system where the athletes get a slice of jersey sales or whatever would be a fair way to reward the stars. Personally, I would feel a lot better if I bought a Derrick Green jersey if I knew Derrick was getting like 2% of the profits from that. It would be a whole new way to support the athletes.
And there is already disparity between the sports. Tennis doesn't have the same facilities and resources the football team does. So giving your football or basketball players a larger slice of the pie wouldn't change much there at all.
All a union does is raise the possibility the NCAA may have to negotiate with the athletes. Prior to that, there was zero chance of that ever happening.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||In a nutshell||
In a nutshell, the NCAA and schools make billions and billions a year. A number that continues to rise at a steep rate. College athletes get a stipend and recurring 1-year scholarships (in most cases). What they get remains largely unchanged from year to year. They would like a bigger slice of the pie in the form of a larger stipend, to be able to get a percentage of sales from people profiting on their likeness, or some other TBD benefit (like maybe a deferred scholarship). Up until now, they've had zero leverage against the NCAA and schools. Now they have the potential for a tiny bit of leverage.
In an even smaller nutshell: revenue pouring in to college sports has changed dramtically in the last 10-20 years or so. What the athletes get has remained largely unchanged. Athletes would like to see what they get out of the arrangement change so they can benefit as well.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Oh please....||
Spare me the "athletic departments are barely breaking even" mantra. Athletic departments spend all the money they have available every year because they have to. They aren't in it to make a profit. Its only after that that they cry broke.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||So what?||
So if they are already paying them, what's wrong with paying them more? If they are getting $1200/month, what's wrong with bumping that up to $2000/month? Or even $5000/month?
|3 weeks 2 days ago||They don't get that though||
They don't get a 4 year ride. They get recurring 1-year scholarships. Some schools do offer 4-year scholarships, but the majority don't and they're all still contingent on a variety of things. And their scholarship isn't the same as a general student body scholarship because you flat out don't have the time to try and do the same things as a normal student.
Plus with all of the madatory and "voluntary" hours they have to put in, it leaves little to no time for actual education. A system where they got deferred scholarships would be better. Spend a year on the team, get a year of tuition to use when you're ready. Or if you want to do both at the same time, you can do that too. That way, for all the athletes that think they're going pro, but ultimately fail, they could still get their education when their pro careers flame out, and they're more willing and serious about getting an education.
And they should absolutely be getting a slice of jersey sales and TV revenue. There is more than enough to go around.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Good||
Yeah, its "stupid" that the athletes will finally be able to band together and have a tiny bit of leverage against the NCAA. Hopefully the athletes can use this to get a better education or a slice of the billions upon billions the NCAA brings in. Change needed to happen and was/is inevitable.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||The drought is over!||
First 2015 commit in like half a year! Good times.
|4 weeks 2 hours ago||The simplicity of entertainment||
Sometimes, the simplicity of entertainment amazes me.
|4 weeks 20 hours ago||Maybe the sight of red gave||
Maybe the sight of red gave him flashbacks and he drove away too fast.
|4 weeks 20 hours ago||Seniors vs Freshman and Soph||
Seniors vs. freshman and sophomores man. Makes all the difference in the world.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Switch them||
Haven't read the article but I bet if you switched white for black in this article it would come across as incredibly racist.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Great news for UCLA||
Getting Rosen to pull the trigger that early should pay off huge for UCLA. They're going to have a small class, but should be able to real in a lot of talent to play with Rosen.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||All three charges are misdemeanors||
All three charges are misdemeanors according to the AA News. He has two charges of assualt and battery that are punishible by 93 days in jail or a fine up to $500. And he has one charge of aggravated assualt which can be punishable by 1 year in jail and/or a fine of $1,000.
With no priors, he probably won't get much in the way of punishment. He can afford a good lawyer now, so probably just a fine and some community service/anger management or something like that.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Everyone knew about it||
Everyone knew about it, he was asked about it multiple times in interviews with teams, and his answers were all widely reported. I'm just saying there's a difference between knowing about it, asking him about it and getting his explanation, and then having the police actually charge him with something. Up until then, its all something that might just go away with no charges filed. Now, its something else and teams are left to wonder whether or not Lewan is lying to them (and everyone else), or if there's actually something to the charges and incident.
Teams will take this info along with the rumors around the Gibbons case, and they might (and probably will) think twice about drafting him.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Why?||
Why? You don't think Lewan getting arrainged on three charges a month before the draft won't have an impact on teams thinking of drafting him? Its one thing to tell teams you had nothing to do with it and were just breaking up a fight and another to have the police charge you with three misdemeanors.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Yes.||
From the article:
The charges stem from a confrontation that took place about 12:30 a.m. Dec. 1 in the 1200 block of South University Avenue. The incident took place after Ohio State University defeated U-M, and two Buckeyes fans reported being assaulted.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Welp||
@Kyle_Feldscher: Taylor Lewan faces a charge of aggravated assault and two charges of assault and battery. Arraignment on 4/8
One month to the day before the NFL Draft.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Definitely||
I think that's part of the apathy. As someone else said, recruiting is largely a momentum game. You get one guy and then it's "who's next?" It's been six months of "who's next." Tough to keep up the enthusiasm and desire to follow all of these kids in that scenario.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||I'm becoming increasingly||
I'm becoming increasingly apathetic about this class. Although I suppose one commit in 6-7 months will have that impact. And it looks like it'll be the opposite of the typical Hoke class (in terms of when kids commit). Not much in the early part of the cycle leaving lots of all or nothing at the end.
|5 weeks 19 hours ago||Zero||
It's already a small class, so no reason to take two QBs. That second scholarship could be used elsewhere.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||ESPN3||
It's an ESPN game so it's on ESPN3.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Draft is really deep at WR||
The draft is really deep at WR. The Lions should grab best available defender or OL in the first round, and then take a WR in round two or three if they need one.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Its Fowler||
Fowler just reupped with ESPN through 2023. He'll pull double duty on Gameday and the primetime game just like Herbstreit.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Think he's free either way||
I think Reece moves up regardless. He either gets the prime time gig, or more likely Fowler takes the prime time slot and Reece does College Gameday. Not sure who gets stuck with Holtz and May.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Same reason BTN is a big deal||
It's the exact same reason BTN is a big deal. You may piss on an Ole Miss Vandy matchup, but it's really no different than a Wisconsin Northwestern matchup. Plenty of people will still watch it.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||BTN is owned by FOX, SEC by ESPN||
There's a big difference between the SECN and BTN. BTN is owner by Fox who up until recently barely did any college football. The SEC Network is owned by ESPN who has announcers, reporters, and analysts galore to spare. Plus, they've been doing CFB for decades. So the SECN should be very polished right out of the gate.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Nope||
No more Primetime game and he won't do any of the big bowls or playoff games.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Fowler or Reece||
It'll be either Fowler or Reece Davis. Probably Fowler teamed up with Herbstreit. If Fowler does the Primetime game, Reece may take over College Gameday.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||It is||
ESPN owns the SEC Network and Brent wasn't poached, he was demoted.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Could still draft him||
The Lions can still draft Gallon in like the fourth or sixth round. Take the proven guy when you can and then go for the project or iffy guy later.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||They would absolutely take him||
Don't kid yourselves, the coaches would take him no matter how "blue" he was. He's a major talent on the DLine, and we need all the help we can get there.
Not every kid that commits to a school is 100% convinced that's the school for them. A lot of them have a ton of good options and are probably only 60% or so convinced that's the school that's for them. For some, its probably even lower. But you gotta pick some place, so you go with the one you're most comfortable you're with.
Get the kid in the program, and then make him 100% blue.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Because that would be dumb||
It would be stupid to enroll at one school, and then transfer to another. He'd be buring two years of eligibility by doing that assuming Michigan would even grant him a direct transfer to Michigan State. Because don't forget, a lot of schools are colossal assholes about letting kids transfer to the school of their choice. So he'd likely have to go the Juco route to wind up at MSU.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Ohio is south of Michigan||
Ohio is south of Michigan. #Geography
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Bonus points||
I would agree that getting some bonus points based on class, or seasons attended, or even both would be nice. It could be small and still be worth it. Three points for a senior, two for junior, and one for sophomore.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||That's only for 2014 though||
The hybrid system is only for 2014 though. 2015 will be a strict points system based off of 2014 attendance and class standing will count for nothing. You get three points for going to a game, and three more points for showing up 30min before kickoff. With six 2014 home games, you get a maximum of 36 points for a season. My understanding of it is that if you're a junior and your senior and sophomore friends all have 36 points, you'll all have equivalent seating. No "bonus points" for being a senior.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Outstanding Freudian slip.||
Outstanding Freudian slip.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||The guy I was talking to||
The guy I was talking to mentioned this. He was saying that its pretty easy to nail down around 63 or so of the 68 teams in the tournament. The last 4 or 5 are the really hard ones that take the most time.
Most of the information and tools that the committee uses is also available to the public. So your Joe Lunardi and Jerry Palm's of the world are using a lot of the same tools.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Bingo||
Yup. Turns out the committee doesn't wake up Sunday morning and say HOLY SHIT, WE'VE GOT TO FILL OUT THE BRACKET!! QUICK, WHO'S GOOD THIS SEASON?!?
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Football committee||
This is what will make the football playoff committee interesting. Since its a much, much smaller pool of results and matchups to look at, things like margain of victory will have to be looked at. And not just that. Say two teams beat Team X 42-21. But the first team pulled their starters midway through the second quarter, but the second team left theirs in until the start of the fourth. Team A's victory becomes more impressive.
But what if team A was playing at the start of the season, and Team X had some players that really came on during the season and became major players during the latter part of the season when they played Team B. Is Team A's win still more impressive since they were possibly playing a weaker version of Team X?
The football committee debates will be really interesting. Football is a much harder sport to try and pick a playoff from using a selection committee.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Actually spent the weekend talking to a member||
I actually spent the weekend talking to a committee member. Super nice guy. His big point of emphasis was that it really comes down to who you play, who you beat, and where you played them. Conferences and all of that other crap don't matter. Its all on a team by team basis.
So to answer your question, yes things like this do matter. If it comes down to it (and it might since they are 21-10/10-8 and 20-10/9-9), they will put up Utah's resume next to Arkansas's resume and compare the two. They will ask, OK, why did Arkansas get beat so badly in those games? Or why/how did Utah play their top teams close? And then they'd probably throw in a third team like say Iowa (also in that 20-11/9-9 range) or one of the three 20-11/10-8 Big East teams and compare their results. And then they'd vote on which of those teams they will continue to consider, and which ones get left behind.
The committee memebers watch a TON of basketball, have a ton of data at their disposal, and are all very well informed. Each member is assigned a main conference (like ACC, SEC, Big Ten, etc) and then a couple of smaller conferences to be the "expert" on. So when "hey, how did Utah play these games close" gets asked, they'll turn to the person that's been monitoring the Pac-12 for some insight.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||No way||
No just wants to leave an $800K a year job.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||He needs one good skill||
I agree with the guy above, a 3pt shot is the last of GRIII's worries. He needs to develop one great to excellent skill to survive in the NBA. Currently he has none. Given his outstanding athleticism, focusing on defense and/or rebounding would be a good place to start.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||This might be my favorite mgoblog comment of all time.||
This might be my favorite mgoblog comment of all time.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Probably right||
You're probably right. Just wondering why break things up if you didn't have to. Just seems odd to me. Just push the spring game back a week or two and then everything will be fine.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||I'd disagree||
Anytime you're learning new stuff, its best to keep repeating it and building on it. By having a long break in between, you're going to have to spend a lot of practice three and four reteaching what you did the first two days.
Think about your own spring breaks. It takes a little bit to remember what the hell was going on before you left. And having grown up around teachers, I know that they always complained that the days before a break were a waste because the kids don't remember what you were teaching them when they come back from break.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Cool idea Dave Brandon||
Maybe we can put a giant noodle outside too, and then fly a plane over IU's campus dragging a banner that says "Suck It Losers #GoBlue #NotRed #LOLOLOL"
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Why break it up like that?||
What's the point in breaking up practice like that? Seems like a waste of two days of practice.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Pennsylvania is gonna be tough now||
Recruiting kids out of Pennsylvania is going to be pretty tough with Franklin there now.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||I think recruits will start to question him||
Given the last two years, I think recruits will start to question signing up to play for Cal. The teams have underperformed and I don't know if any of the players have gotten much better. Out of 2013's supposed "best recruiting class ever" only three of the five are projected first rounders, and only one is lottery bound. If you're a one and done player, that's not exactly the results you're looking for.
|7 weeks 21 hours ago||Oh man, the quotes||
Read the front page after doing this, and the Devin Gardner "quote" from today is priceless:
"Practices is straight-up fast, we git a shitload of reps. This was probably tha fastest practice I've eva been a part of ... I feel like, up in dis biatch, there be a a shitload of juice up in practice. I be aiiight wit dat shit. ... Coach Nuss definitely pushes tempo, make shizzle we git ta tha bizzle fast, git tha calls out, do every last muthafuckin thang you need ta do n' then git tha bizzle hiked. Y'all KNOW dat shit, muthafucka! Dat punk pushin dat all muthafuckin day. It make me wanna hollar playa! And sometimes our laid-back asses just go hurry-up ta git mo' reps."
Nick Saban and Brett Bielema are definitely not a fan of makin shizzle ya git ta tha bizzle fast..
|7 weeks 2 days ago||OMG!!!||
HE'S GAINED TWO LBS IN TWO WEEKS!! IS HE GOING TO BE 250 BY FALL?? WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?!?
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Still impressive though||
Say what you will about his motivations, what he's been able to do takes a whole hell of a lot more dedication than most people put into things. He's been grinding on this for a long time, and for one dude has made a good amount of progress. That's what I find impressive. Most people when going up against large entities usually acquiesce.
Side note, Arrogant Bastard beer is delicious.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Championship team recruiting||
Good post. The only thing I'd disagree with is Michigan not taking players that can contribute to a championship team. Michigan needs to take any and all players that can contribute to any sort of team. If that means you take some three stars you can coach up instead of swinging and missing on 5-stars do it.
They need to focus on winning their division first, and then they can worry about winning conference championships. Doing anything else is being tone deaf to their own situation. Don't set a goal of being president of the company when you're a mid-level manager. Maybe aim for being head of your department first.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Supposedly came from Hoke though||
It sounds dumb as you and many others have suggested (and I would agree), but Harris was apparently told by the coaches that they are only taking one RB in this class. And since he's holding out until signing day to make a decision now, if Michigan wants Harris, they either have to tell him something different about their RB situation, or wait for an all or nothing situation with him.
I don't think they can afford to wait. You absolutely need one RB in this class. At least. So if Weber or someone else good wants to commit, then you have to take that commitment and hope you can convince Harris to be part of a two RB class.
The whole just clarifies what an absolute fuck up the last six months of recruiting have been for Michigan.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||That's what I'm wondering||
That's what I'm wondering too. How does Title IX factor into something like this? The only thing I can figure is that maybe it has something to do with this part:
(3) subjecting any person to separate or different rules of behavior, sanctions, or treatment, including rules pertaining to appearance;
If Gibbons got different treatment and punishment because he was a football player, then you do have a Title IX argument.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Doubtful||
Given the way the NCAA punishes people (like Penn State and Miami) it would be the current staff. And since Gibbons played three of his four years under Hoke, if (big IF here by the way) they find evidence that there was some sort of discouragement it very well could have come from the Hoke era football dept. But again, big, big IF there.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Its Doug Smith (Washtenaw Watch Dog)||
Doug Smith is out for blood. Both of the complaints that the feds are investigating were made by him. Gotta give the dude some credit. He's gone full V for vendetta on Michigan here. Kudos for having the balls to go up against a massive instituion.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Maybe?||
Depends on what they find. They are basically looking into whether or not Michigan properly responded to the original allegation and why the hell it took four years to do something about it. If they find that Michigan didn't respond in a timely fashion, and then can find evidence that the reason they didn't was because of pressure from the football program, then things could be very, very bad.
But, that's a lot of ifs.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Title IX||
Looks like it has to do with Title IX. Not really sure how that factors into something like this, but there was a Title IX complaint that prompted the feds looking into things.
Jim Bradshaw, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Education, confirmed Tuesday morning that the Office for Civil Rights is investigating a Title IX complaint involving U-M.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140225/SCHOOLS/302250059#ixzz2uM2bwJaS
|7 weeks 3 days ago||It's been six long months||
Its been six long months since Michigan got a 2014 or 2015 commitment (2016 OL Swenson committed 11/25). That's an eternity in recruiting. And the lack of a backup plan to either Hand or McDowell (two very hard to read recruits) was just naive by the staff.
Supposedly they've told Damien Harris that they are taking only one back in this class, and since he's not announcing until signing day, it could be another all or nothing year at a crucial position.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||No camping until its sponsored||
Camping out will not be allowed until it is sponsored. Your "Cabela's Pregame Campout, brought to you by Kingsford Charcoal."
Only then will you be allowed to campout ahead of time.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||No kidding||
I remember getting up for those noon football games was a serious chore some weekends. Especially after a late Friday night. If I had to wake up at nine or hell, even 10 to go stand in a line for a couple of hours, I'd say fuck that. BBQ on the deck with some beers and College Gameday sounds like a much better alternative.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Um....sports?||
Never been to a meeting or anything, but I would imagine a group dedicated to watching basketball probably spends a fair amount of time at their meeting talking about the team. Which to my old, married, kid-raising, job-having ass sounds like a pretty solid way to spend an hour a week.
And frankly, its smart that a group of fans has taken the time to organize themselves. By doing so, they create an advantage of numbers; they can create a plan of action and ensure they get the majority of the best seats.
Strength in numbers is smart. Maybe dickish, but smart.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Procedure is clear||
The procedure is clear, but when you have an arbitrary time to line up (like 7) and you and a bunch of other people get there at say 6:30 waiting in some sort of line to get in the official line, you're going to have problems. And there's no good way around it without someone getting screwed.
Its very similar to waiting for a bus or subway at a crowded stop. There's no official line until the bus/train shows up. And then its a mad scramble. You basically have to guess where the line is going to be and hope you're right.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||No good way to lineup for arbitrary line up times||
You're never going to get around situations like this. If you tell people to line up at 7am, you're going to have a group of people there's ahead of time (in a line) waiting to get in line. Then when it's officially time to line up, you're going to have a bullrush situation. You probably need to institute your own line up/armband situation.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||Greg Robinson||
Greg Robinson from Auburn ran a 4.92 at 322 lbs and Trai Turner from LSU ran a 4.93. Robinson will most likely be the top OT taken.
|8 weeks 1 hour ago||Doubtful||
If Michigan fails next season it will most likely be because the offense couldn't get it together. So it would be odd to promote the OC to head coach. If you're going to go through the trouble of firing your head coach, its best to go with the clean slate and can everyone.
|8 weeks 1 hour ago||Pretty realistic, but...||
8-5 or 9-4 is pretty realistic for next season. 8-4 means that we missed a bowl game somehow. So yeah, I'd probably complain about that.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||You better believe that's a paddlin'||
"Talking out of turn? That's a paddlin'. Lookin' out the window? That's a paddlin'. Staring at my sandals? That's a paddlin'. Paddlin' the school canoe? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'."
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Its hard to be worse||
Considering they were one of the worst OLs in all of CFB, there's really no where to go but up. But in all likelihood, they will simply go from being abysmal to just bad.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||No freshman good enough to play either||
Michigan also doesn't have any freshman in this class good enough to play as true freshman.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Game experience||
Is game experience really a benefit to the OL? It was all awful experience. The kind that should give them nightmares. If you're a young MMA fighter that's gotten beaten to within an inch of his life in a few outings in the ring, does that experience make you any better than someone that's never been in the ring? Or say you were an "experienced" architect that's had 4 of his 12 buildings collapse. If anything, I would think that experience would make you worse since your confidence would be super low and you'd be expecting bad things to happen.
Developing/rebuilding some sort of confidence is going to be job #1 for this OL in the offseason.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||No RBs last class was dumb||
No RBs last class was dumb.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Well...||
Now we can all say Brady Hoke is well endowed.
(I'll see myself out)
|9 weeks 20 hours ago||Lawyers would back them up||
You don't publish a national article writing the phrase "alleged rape" without going through several layers of lawyers and having them sign off on that phrasing. Otherwise SI opens themselves up to a big ol' lawsuit.
|9 weeks 20 hours ago||Completely agree||
Its not just a PR issue. But the way they handled it has turned what may well be a simple issue (the factrs of the story, not the sexual assualt) into something that looks like they are covering something up. And that is what's prompting people like SI (and most likely HBO, Yahoo, or ESPN's invesitagtive units) to look into it.
Any competent PR outfit would have realized this was an issue, gotten in front of the story, and ended it right then and there. Instead, due to a combination of arrogance and incompetence...here we are.
Personally, I hope this results in some sweeping changes on the PR side of things for Michigan.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||You people drive me nuts||
A) Writers don't make headlines. Editors do. So the headlines on Chantel or any writers's stories aren't their doing. So stop blaming them for them. B) Every single news outlet writes and creates headlines aimed at trying to get you read that content. It's the whole point of news coverage. ESPN, Fox, CNN, The New York Times, etc, etc. They all do it. This is even more so the case online when there are millions of things for you to look at and read.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||It's what's all journalists do||
It's what all journalists do. At least the ones that like having jobs and making money. The whole point of writing is to get people to read it. Headlines are what drive people to the stories.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||Its a tough decision. Disagree on development||
Its a tough choice. Look at McGary. Was probably a lottery pick last season, and this season he's maybe a second rounder. Maybe. Considering his age and back issues, its doubtful he returns to the lottery range.
But the thing people get wrong is that if you aren't 7 feet tall, the NBA is definitely not a development league. And you have to have at least one skill to start with so that you can improve enough make it on the roster in year two. There's only 390 active roster spots in the NBA, and every year at least 7% of the league is out of a job due to 30 new 1st rounders with their guaranteed contracts coming in.
So if you come in needing a lot of work, you'd better hope you can improve enough to avoid getting cut in year two or three. Darius Morris is a good example of this. Like GRIII he was projected as a fringe first rounder, a guy that needed some work, and a guy that should probably go back for another year. Now he's in the "signed to a 10 day contract" limbo range of the NBA, and will probably be out of the league for good next season.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||Redick was phenomenal in college||
Time clouds the memory, but JJ Redick was on another level in college. Especially his senior year. Dude averaged almost 27 ppg with every team gunning for him. So I respectfully disagree that Nik has a better offensive game. And their NBA ceilings are pretty much the same -- designated 3pt guy.
And to the original point, Nik would be better served to spend another year in college working on his game. He's disappeared at times when teams have turned up the defense. Another year would do him good. It worked for Redick.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||Jason Richardson||
Jason Richardson was a pretty solid pro. Twelve seasons averaging 17 ppg and 5 rpg is nothing to sneeze at. If Harris can do better than that, God bless him. And as someone else mentioned, Zach Randolph has been really good too -- 17ppg and 9rpg for his career.
But I get your point. Both of those guys played 12 years ago in college, and its been slim pickings for Spartan NBA talent since then.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||Are you kidding???||
No way in hell man. I mean it may just be a poor example of a rebounder, or you may have forgotten just how good Rodman was, but GRIII is and never will be anywhere close to Rodman. Rodman was an absolute freak rebounder, and I doubt we ever see anyone like him again in the NBA. GRIII is currently averaging 1 rebound for every 7 minutes he plays. That's fourth best on the team behind McGary, Horford, and Morgan. LeVert is slightly worse at one rebound every 7.5 minutes.
For his NBA career, Rodman grabbed one board every 2.4 minutes. At his best, it was one per 2.1 minutes. Not even your best 7 footers in the NBA come close to that. DeAndre Jordan is having one of the better rebounding seasons in a while, and is only pulling them down at a 2.5 RPM rate. Dwight Howard is at 2.8 RPM for his career.
In college, Rodman averaged 15 boards a game -- GRIII is around 5 a game for his career. So no offense, but taking GRIII where he's at now and expecting even a poor man's version of Rodman is absurd.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||Kwame and Bynum were 7 footers||
Kwame and Bynum were 7 footers and coordinated. That's a valubale commodity in the NBA. Those types of people don't grow on trees and will always be given second, third, and fourth chances in the NBA and will therefore have a chance to earn a ton of money.
6' 6" tweeners are a dime a dozen and get one shot before NBA teams move on to someone else.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||He needs a go to skill||
I've said this before, but GRIII needs to develop some sort of go to skill. Guys like Stauskas have elite level shooting, Burke has excellent PG skills, Mitch has hustle and good hands. Glenn has...good dunks. Athleticism doesn't get you anywhere in the NBA because everyone is a freak athlete. He needs to develop a shot, some rebouding, elite defending...anything really.
The NBA isn't a place where you develop skills. Either you have something from the get go and get better at it, or you're buried on the bench and replaced by the next freak athlete in 1-2 seasons.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||You need at least one skill to survive||
You need at least one go to skill to survive in the NBA. Shooting, rebounding, passing, defense, hustle, etc. Something that when all else fails, you can fall back on. GRIII has none of those. He's got the athleticism and build to make scouts drool, but that's about it.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||It's the same thing.||
Oh please yourself. An open head wound is a cut.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Had an open head wound||
The guard had an open head wound and something else I can't remember. A concussion maybe? The article I read said he's still recovering, so it sounds like he was injured good enough.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Tried as an adult||
He's being tried as an adult. Do that whole youth thing (on my phone and can't remember what you called it) still work for something like this?
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Doubt it||
Doubt he's going to college. Jail, yes. College, no. Even if he goes to jail for 6 months, no college will touch him.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Don't know what you've got till its gone?||
Maybe it was a case of don't know what you've got until its gone. Maybe the NHL got a lot of "man...I miss hockey" votes that year.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||Don't forget||
Don't forget the subject "my thoughts" as well.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||Dude....||
Dude, it's February. This has been rehashed a million times both during and after the season. Football season is a long ways a way and things aren't going to change. The offensive line will be somewhere between awful and maybe not so terrible. Adapt and deal with it.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||But why is it wrong?||
Here's what I want to know, and no one has been able to answer so far: why do we have this "pact" where its OK for fans to verbally assault players, and they can NEVER cross into the stands and defend themselves do to some imaginary taboo boundary?
You say its "never OK for a player to cross the line into the stands." Why? Smart was already in the stands because that's where the play took him. And if a fan is shouting racist things at him two feet from his face (hell, it doens't even have to be racist it could be any unacceptable insult), he can't do anything about it....why? Why? Why is it forbidden?
And personally, that fan -- not Smart -- is lucky things didn't get out of hand.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||What video did you watch?||
What video did you watch? He was about a foot from the old white guy's face and looking directly at him.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Exactly||
Exactly. Everyone will be wringing their hands over how deplorable Smart's actions were, but probably nothing will happen to the fan. And he'll go to another game and continue to yell things at the athletes/teenage kids. And considering that he's down on the baseline, you know there's security down there, and they probably have a very good idea of what this guy says.
So I'm with you. Ban this guy from campus. There has to be a limit to what fans can say and do, and when they cross that limit, there needs to be consequences.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||My favorite part of the brawl||
My favorite part of the brawl was seeing all of those cocky fans run on to the court looking for a fight, and then seeing the look of terror when they realized just now big an NBA player is. On the court, a 6-5, 260 lb guy can look small by comparison. But next to your average 5' 9" loud mouth? Huge. And not the kind of person you want to be getting into a fight with.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Why?||
Why is it unacceptable to retaliate? Why do we have this mindset where athletes are somehow not allowed to stand up for themselves in the face of some loud mouthed asshole in the stands? Just because you bought a ticket, that doesn't mean you have rights to act like a fool with out consequence.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Would it?||
Honestly, I think sports would be much better if fans had the same common sense and respect for people in the arena that they do on the streets or in the office. In the real world if you talk shit to someone there's a very real chance that there's going to be repercussions. Somehow we've gotten to the point as a society where just because you paid $75 for a ticket that gives you the right to say the most vile stuff about someone you don't even know without any sort of consequence.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Not really||
Mallett was more of a mutual parting of ways than a homesickness issue. Michigan was going to a spread system under Rich Rod and as a tall statue QB, he didn't fit in that offense.
McGuffie (if I remember right) was more medical related than anything. He had a ton of concussion problems at Michigan, and I think that played a role in his transfer as well.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Texas. Gonna be hard to pull him||
He's from Texas. Its going to be really hard to pull him from the state of Texas. His brother is currently a student at A&M. He's visiting there this weekend, and also has interest in Texas Tech. And I'm sure Baylor and Texas will be after him hard too.
Its nice to make the top ten, but this is a real long shot.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||I hope he goes pro||
I hope he goes pro. He's one of the most lackadaisical players I've ever seen. I'd take someone -- anyone -- with an ounce of heart over him any day of the week.
|10 weeks 16 hours ago||In need of some grammar and English lessons||
In need of some grammar and English lessons. Oh wait, that's just you. Not the basketball team.
|10 weeks 17 hours ago||Nuss was being encouraged to look around||
Nuss was being encouraged to look around at Alabama since Saban wanted to bring in Kiffin. That rumor was going around a few days before the Nussmeier hire. Michigan wound up being a perfect landing spot for him. If he turns around Michigan's offense and Michigan starts winning 10+ games a season, then he's as hot as of a head coaching candidate as there is.
And if things go awry at Michigan and he and the rest of the staff are out of a job in a year or two, he'd still be able to land a good OC position elsewhere as the failures at Michigan would be seen as Hoke's fault and not his.
|10 weeks 18 hours ago||This year = make it or break it||
That's why this year is a make it or break it year for Hoke. The young roster thing is the only excuse left, and that goes away this season. If he can't get it done this season, then its doubtful he gets it done anytime.
|10 weeks 18 hours ago||Brandon/MSC have control over the info||
Brandon and MSC have control over the information and how that gets relayed to the public. They have absolutely botched this entire thing from a PR standpoint. That part isn't Hoke's fault. But with the way they've handled it and left it up to Hoke to try and deliver half-truths about what's going on, its painted him in a bad light.
This whole Gibbons thing is an absolute fuckup from the university and athletic department's standpoint. They've taken a simple thing and turned it into a PR disaster, and as head of the football program, Hoke has become the fall guy for it.
|10 weeks 18 hours ago||Jeff Jones||
Jeff Jones is a good example of this. They dropped him because he hadn't qualified yet. But what's the harm in taking a commitment from him, and if he qualifies at a later date, then all is well. And if not, then he and the university move on. And most likely, there's still room at a Minnesota or wherever.
|10 weeks 21 hours ago||Amen||
To me this is the entire issue with the Gibbons thing. That Michigan is so completely inept at dealing with the public and relating what is actually going on is mind blowing. The Gibbons thing probably isn't much of anything shady but Michigan keeps fucking up the message so badly it looks as if something shady is happening. They are essentially a multi billion dollar company and they have the PR acumen of a garage band. It defies explanation.
|10 weeks 23 hours ago||FSU didn't bungle the PR though||
Oh plently of people cared about Winston. That was a major story. But FSU was upfront about it the entire time, and didn't completely botch the PR side of their sexual assualt issue like Michigan has. They appear to have actual adults working in their PR department.
And unfortunately, it looks like its tough cookies for both victims here. College sports y'all.
|10 weeks 23 hours ago||NBC is showing...Days of Our Lives||
NBC is showing Days of Our Lives. Because god forbid someone misses that instead of the Olympic Opening Ceremony.
|10 weeks 23 hours ago||Brames Branklin||
I believe the coach in question's name rhymes with Brames Branklin. If you remember right, Peppers was considering Penn State at one point in time.
Unfortunately for Michigan, this Gibbons thing isn't going to die and go away quietly.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Written statements are worthless||
Written statements are worthless. Its a cop out way of dealing with something. For grown up issues, and grown up responses, you need to ask people questions in person. Only cowards release statements and then try and hide behind them.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Michigan is colossally stupid when it comes to PR||
Michigan is colossally stupid when it comes to PR. They honestly need to fire everyone associated with public relations in that athletic department and hire people that know how to operate in the 21st century.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||All recruits under 21 need a parent to sign||
Unless the language of the NLI has changed in the last few years, all recruits under 21 have to have a parent/guardian sign.
You can see a copy of the 2010-11 NLI: HERE
|10 weeks 4 days ago||The NLI is just odd||
The NLI as a whole is just odd. You're not required to sign it, yet nearly everyone does. In theory, its supposed to act as a contract. You agree to play for a school, and they agree to give you a scholarship as long as you stay out of jail, keep your grades up, etc before enrolling.
Yet, there's been many cases where a recruit has signed an NLI, but then been refused admission even though they kept up their end of the bargain. LSU did this to a recruit a few years ago. Technically, the kid could sue the school for breaking the contract. But, by doing so they'd also be forfeiting the majority of their athletic career, not to mention spend a couple of years without a college education while the case dragged out in court. So they (like the kid from LSU), just scramble and find another school that will give them a scholarship.
So basically, all of these kids voluntarily sign one-way contracts that the school can break without repercussion at anytime. It, like the majority of college athletics, is a crock.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||UCLA||
I'm always kind of amazed that UCLA doesn't pull in more top recruits. That's such an awesome campus, and the SoCal girls ain't half bad either.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||They are easily influenced||
As young impressionable kids, they are easily influenced. So just because they grew up liking one thing, it doesn't mean they'll go with that in the end. And often, the thing they grew up liking was the only thing they really knew. The recruiting process opens up their mind to newer possibilities.
I grew up a huge Michigan fan, and wound up going to Michigan. But if I was a highly recruited athlete and had the chance to go to some other places like UCLA (awesome campus), Texas (great town), or pretty much any southern school (the women) there's a really good chance I'd have gone elsewhere.
You can always visit home and enjoy the things you loved as a kid. But you can't always go someplace new and different.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||I think nine is doable||
I think 9 wins is a realistic goal. 10 is stretching it. But for a program that's only had two double digit wins seasons in the last decade, 10 or more wins would be REALLY welcome. Mediocrity is becoming rather routine and depressing.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||No||
No. This is akin to can you have too much money.
|11 weeks 19 hours ago||And you're a fool||
And you're a damn fool if you don't think that every reporter there isn't going to pepper Hoke with question after question about it. None of those reporters care about signing day. The class has been set for six months. But this Gibbons story? That's something new and juicy. Now does Hoke have to answer their questions? No. But if he refuses or if they ask him enough and he gets feisty about and channels his inner Lloyd Carr and snaps at them, that's going to make things worse.
Hoke and Michigan's best play here is to offer a statement about it and hope that kills the story then and there. Refusing to answer is only going to add fuel to the fire that they are covering something up.
|11 weeks 19 hours ago||Sometimes, "no comment" is news||
Sometimes though, "no comment" is still news. Or in the words of Drew Rosenhaus "NEXT QUESTION" Regardless of what everyone on here thinks, this is a juicy story waiting to be cracked open. There will be several questions about it, and the story isn't going away anytime soon because you'd better believe the FOIA requests have already started.
|11 weeks 19 hours ago||That's fundamental news though||
It has nothing to do with clicks. Its fundamental news coverage. You cover and report on issues and topics that people are going to care about. The fact that people click/read/watch the story means you're covering what people want to know more about.
Not everything is some insane media conspiracy.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Well||
Well, Rich no longer has a job at Michigan, so there's that. And Gibbons played for three years under Hoke including at least one game after he was notified he was being invested again for assault.
Also, its never the actual crime that causes media focus, but the coverup. Michigan's actions appear to show that they were trying to cover up what was really happening behind the scenes.