|21 hours 24 min ago||Well you don't get a guy to||
Well you don't get a guy to "resign" on his own and walk away from millions simply because you don't like him.
|1 day 2 hours ago||Pistons have to overpay||
Pistons have to overpay though to get a star. And since overpaying with cap dollars isn't really an option anymore since everyone has cap money to spend....may as well get a good player this way.
|1 day 4 hours ago||It's still Alabama though.||
It's still Alabama though. Who they have as an OC is kinda irrelevant to their Death Star status. Saban is still going to want to run the same type of offense.
|1 day 7 hours ago||It's been so long since||
It's been so long since Michigan won a Big Ten title, I could give two shits about what happens after winning it.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Feel like I read somewhere in||
Feel like I read somewhere in one of Brian or Ace's updates that Onwenu is full time OL now.
|2 days 14 min ago||He's 29-10 in the last three.||
He's 29-10 in the last three. Which....I guess you're upset about?
|2 days 17 hours ago||Cool. So expectations for||
Cool. So expectations for Gary were for him to be a garbage time backup role player, that we were excited to "look active" in game twelve and get some "almost sacks." Got it.
For what its worth, in the season preview Brian predicted him to be a starter with double digit TFLs, and 6 sacks. Basically what Christian Wilkins and Ed Oliver wound up doing in their freshman seasons.
I mean....you do get that this entire thread is about evaluating Gary's season and whether or not people thought he lived up to the high preseason expectations? Right??
|2 days 19 hours ago||Ed Oliver, Christian Wilkins,||
Ed Oliver, Christian Wilkins, A'Shawn Robinson
|2 days 19 hours ago||Not at all||
No. Didn't say that at all.
Oliver was THE star on a relatively untalented Houston line, and they played against AAC competition. Swap the two players and maybe Gary has the same type of season. Maybe not.
I DO know, however, that just about everyone here was expecting more than 1 sack, 5 TFL, and to be lauded for simply "looking active" (as you put it) in his last regular season game.
|2 days 19 hours ago||Tough to evaluate him. Did he||
Tough to evaluate him. Did he live up to my lofty expectations? No. I doubt anyone here thought he would finish with 1 sack and 5 TFL for the season. Or if I said, who will have a better year: Gary or Gedeon, and offered 100:1 odds on Gedeon would anyone have picked him over Gary? I thought he would be more impactful even on heavily talented line.
|2 days 19 hours ago||Yay!||
|3 days 3 hours ago||You need a dictionary lesson||
You need a dictionary lesson (and perhaps a common sense) lesson, my man. The full definition of mediocre is "of only moderate quality; not very good." Another is "of moderate, or low quality, value, ability, or performance." It DOES NOT mean of the lowest quality. Magnus' three catergories of good, mediocre, and bad are completely fine.
|3 days 3 hours ago||I didn't "just uses that"||
I didn't "just uses that" because I was on my phone and didn't have quick access to it. And you don't need fancy stats to show the big difference between Michigan's performance against non-winning (aka 6-6 or less) and winning teams. Those are all from cfbstats which is a quick an handy site.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Same||
I'm kinda concerned about next year for all of the recruiting related reasons you said -- they just don't have the quality, depth, or eperience to give you hope. But going into 2018 and beyond they should be fine.
|3 days 18 hours ago||BONUS FACTS||
Oh, and here's some more facts since you liked to cite the 45 against Colorado (14 of which belonged to the special teams).
Scoring offense vs:
FBS winning: 29.6 (36th nationally)
FBS Non-winning: 49.1 (6th nationally)
Basically, Michigan played a lot of bad teams this season and beat the hell out of them. And in their five games against teams with a winning record, they went 3-2. Mostly because they couldn't run the ball when they needed to.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Here||
Like you said elsewhere, in the Big Ten Michigan was second overall in yards per carry at 4.98. But against FBS teams with a winning record, they were tied for 5th with Penn State at 3.83 ypc. The best rushing teams against FBS teams with a winning record were Ohio State (4.97), Wisconsin (4.3), Minnesota (4.05) and MSU (3.89). Most of Michigan's damage on the ground (5.72 ypc) was done in their 7 games against teams with a losing record.
Speaking of which, in the Big Ten only Indiana played more teams with a non-winning record than Michigan did this season. So for all of those times you though, hey, Michigan can't do anything offensively against this semi-decent team, that's why.
|3 days 18 hours ago||A lot of that was against||
A lot of that was against garbage teams, though. Michigan's split stats are 3.83 ypc and 12 TDs in their 5 (!!) games against teams with winning records and 5.72 ypc and 28 TDs in the 7 games against teams with losing records.
|3 days 23 hours ago||Hey, if some media outlet||
Hey, if some media outlet offered to make me a cool video to announce my commitment, I'd be all over that.
|4 days 21 hours ago||I take it back. He had a||
I take it back. He had a pretty awesome all around season in all three phases of the game, and it's not his fault they kept calling dumb QB keepers for him. Sure they are better individual defenders out there, but none than can impact the return game like he can, and none that could do what can do on offense. Dumb plays calls, be damned.
|4 days 21 hours ago||Good for Jabrill and it's||
Good for Jabrill and it's good PR and recruiting and all of that.....but it's a bit of a head scratcher that he's a Heisman finalist. Guess those 3 yards a carry really helped.
|4 days 21 hours ago||So are Donnel Pumphrey's.||
So are Donnel Pumphrey's.
|5 days 19 hours ago||Man, if Cole leaves I'm||
Man, if Cole leaves I'm ratcheting expectations for next season down another notch. The OL was going to be dicey *with* him coming back. Without him? Yeesh.
|5 days 23 hours ago||The OL||
The OL is a big concern. It'll be filled with Cole, Hoke recruits that just never developed like Dawson, Kugler JBB, and REALLY young guys. Kinda sounds like a recipe for disaster.
|5 days 23 hours ago||Maybe||
Maybe. But I also think if we had a 1000 yard back on the roster, Harbaugh would have given him the ball more.
Either way you cut, Michigan's rushing output was pretty meh this year.
|6 days 53 min ago||I think the frustration||
I think the frustration people may have had is tied to the fact that we know who we're losing on both sides of the ball, and because of Hoke's last two classes (if you don't remember how bad they were, go back and look) we don't have the players on the roster now to replace them. Harbaugh had a great class last year, and is putting together another great one, but you can't rely on true freshman and sophomores to take you very far.
So, people (myself included) can see the rebuild and step back ahead next season and its just a little frustrating because the success we all want was SO close this season and it'll be at least 2018 before we can get back to that level again.
|6 days 59 min ago||They are average||
Look, I don't want to knock the guys on the team, but the entire WR corp is composed of 100% average Big Ten WRs. Darboh had the best year of the two of them, and while his 826 yards and 7 TDs are almost exactly the same as Curtis Samuel's production as a WR (Samuel also had 700 yds and 8 TDs as a rusher), it was also on par with WRs from Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, and Michigan State. And if you can't guess who any of those four WRs are, then that should probably tell you about how good Darboh is within the Big Ten. He's just a guy. Love him as a Wolverine, but he's no better than what anyone else has.
|6 days 1 hour ago||I did forget just how good||
I did forget just how good Gallon was. Had a monster season in 2013 -- 89 rec., 1373 yards and 9 TDs. The yardage was 8th nationally.
|6 days 1 hour ago||For running backs, I'd saying||
For running backs, I'd saying anything over 1k yards was a pretty good back, and anything over 1300 yards was approaching elite. In the Big Ten this year there were 7 RBs with over 1k yards, and three over 1300. Mike Hart was the last Michigan RB to rush for over 1300 yards in 2007. We've had one RB go over 1000 yards since then (Toussaint in 2011).
One. That's abysmal for a program like Michigan.
For WRs, its a little harder but something like 1000 yards and 10 TD is probably a fairly safe elite benchmark. Manningham did that in 2007, Gallon had 1373 and 9 TDs in 2013, and that's been it.
|6 days 1 hour ago||Zero playmakers on offense||
The only playmaker Michigan has had on offense in like the last ten years has been Denard. No running backs, no WRs, nothing. Second best player is maybe Jake Butt.
Tired of seeing schools like Northwestern, PSU, Wisconsin, shit even Pitt, consistently have better skill players than Michigan.
|6 days 6 hours ago||They should both be in.||
They should both be in.
|6 days 6 hours ago||Because there are a good||
Because there are a good amount of Michigan fans that are 100% delusional.
|6 days 8 hours ago||The delusion is strong.||
The delusion is strong.
|6 days 15 hours ago||Strength of schedule||
But that's where strength of schedule comes in. Washington played NOBODY out of conference. Penn State played Pitt and Temple, and had a 3 point loss on the road to Pitt and beat the eventual AAC champ in Temple. Plus, they won in the toughest division and conference. I think that nullifies a 1-loss vs. 2-loss debate. If it doesn't, then Western should be in the playoff since they have zero losses.
|6 days 15 hours ago||You're right||
You're right on that. My bad. It would be Washington-Michigan. Which would still be fun.
|6 days 15 hours ago||It comes down to having to||
It comes down to having to compare Penn State and Washington. And if you look at the two seasons side-by-side, I don't know how you pick Washington over Penn State.
And for the "how can they put them over Michigan" crowd, the committee uses four criteria. Conf champs, head-to-head, common opponents, and strength of schedule. Michigan gets the H2H, but on common opponents, PSU beat pretty handily teams Michigan either struggled with, or lost to down the stretch. SOS might go to Michigan, but its not overwhelming enough that I think it makes up for the other things.
|6 days 16 hours ago||1. Bama2. Ohio State3.||
2. Ohio State
4. Penn State
Think the debate tonight for the committee comes down to PSU vs. Washington and Penn State has better wins, and a better overall schedule. Penn State's out of conference schedule also got a little better tonight when Temple won the AAC.
And yes, Michigan beat PSU handily, but Penn State was down like 6 LBs in that game which counts for something, and Washington also got beaten pretty good by USC. The narrow Pitt loss and Washington's OT win vs. Arizona cancel each other out. Everything after that leans towards PSU.
And, that would likely mean a Rose Bowl for Michigan vs. USC. Which, yes please.
|6 days 16 hours ago||Michigan would probably get a||
Michigan would probably get a Rose Bowl bid if the committee takes both PSU and OSU. Which isn't out of the realm of possibility.
|6 days 16 hours ago||I think there's still a||
I think there's still a chance if the commitee puts in PSU and OSU. In that scenario, its up to the Rose who they want, and since USC will be the likely Pac-12 rep, that opens the door for Michigan since they will be higher rated than Wisconsin and it won't be a rematch.
If PSU doesn't make the playoff, they are an autobid to the Rose Bowl as the Big Ten champ.
|6 days 17 hours ago||Sorry for stating the obvious||
Sorry for stating the obvious and factual. Forgot we are living in a post-factual world.
|6 days 18 hours ago||Get ready for lots of Fox||
Get ready for lots of Fox next season. They have priority over ESPN now in the B1G contract. The Mich-OSU game was the last one that's going to be on ESPN for a long time.
|6 days 19 hours ago||Like the way they scemed||
Like the way they scemed their way to 5 yards in the fourth quarter vs. Ohio State?
|6 days 19 hours ago||The last couple of weeks have||
The last couple of weeks have made me realize how truly delusional some of Michigan's fans are.
|6 days 19 hours ago||And if you watch Michigan||
And if you watch Michigan closely, you'll see Michigan throws a ton of inaccurate passes.
Also, Michigan's receivers are nothing special nationally. Or even in the Big Ten really.
|6 days 20 hours ago||Have you watched Michigan's||
Have you watched Michigan's offense in the month of November? Or have you watched Alabama's defense and offense?
To beat them, you're going to need to score 30+ because their offense is very good. Their defense is everything Michigan's is, and more. Michigan *might* have the defense to keep it competitive, but they don't have anywhere close to the offense to hang with them. Only teams that do are Washington and maybe Clemson on a good Clemson day.
|6 days 20 hours ago||?????????||
You are fucking high if you think Michigan can beat Alabama.
Like, you've seen who our OL has struggled with this season, right?
|1 week 24 min ago||Michigan's "top 10 win" in||
Michigan's "top 10 win" in the non conference just got smoked so badly they're going to fall below USC in the rankings and lose out on the Rose Bowl. So that's not that great of a win anymore.
|1 week 27 min ago||Not likely. A win for PSU or||
Not likely. A win for PSU or WI is probably enough to jump Michigan and get in. A conference championship, a 7/9-game winning streak, and a win over the No. 6/7 team is a pretty good last minute resume boost.
|1 week 33 min ago||Pssst....Michigan has been||
Pssst....Michigan has been down and out for a decade. Not a whole lot different than Washington.
|1 week 35 min ago||I like that you have Alabama||
I like that you have Alabama as some sort of underdog in the playoff where you hope they can beat Washington and go toe to toe with Ohio State. Alabama will be favored by a TD or more vs. all of the playoff teams. And with their offense, Washington is probably the only one capable of beating the Tide. Alabama's defensive line will absolutely murder Ohio State.
|1 week 47 min ago||Exactly. Not sure what OP was||
Exactly. Not sure what OP was expecting him to say there. I actually interpreted his "they looked very impressive" as more of a sign that they will either be in or stay ahead of Michigan.
|1 week 2 hours ago||ACC team||
Pretty sure an ACC team gets an autobid to the Orange Bowl, and then the second spot is at-large.
|1 week 4 hours ago||Colorado was touch and go for a while too.||
Colorado was touch and go for a while too.
|1 week 14 hours ago||Ahhh...on the road. You||
Ahhh...on the road. You edited it after I replied. The Florida one still stands, but yeah....they've been ass on the road for a good long while.
|1 week 14 hours ago||"Michigan has not beaten a||
"Michigan has not beaten a team that finished the regular season at 9-3 or better since 2007 (over 9-3 Illinois) and 8-4 or better since 2010. That's sad."
|1 week 14 hours ago||I do think Colorado losing||
I do think Colorado losing badly improved Michigan shot at the Rose Bowl. But they would need PSU/Wi to be in the playoff and USC to be in the Rose. If that happens I think that's a pretty easy choice since it's a huge win for TV.
|1 week 14 hours ago||You linked to the thread for predictions on the 2015 season.||
You linked to the thread for predictions on the 2015 season.
|1 week 15 hours ago||It's one of four criteria for||
It's one of four criteria for the committee. Conference championships is another. So while it's nice that Michigan beat both head-to-head both PSU and WI can cancel that out with a conf title. Throw in closing out the season strong vs. Michigan's 2 out of 3 losses and I think it's easy to give the nod to the B1G winner over Michigan. Especially if you're already including one non conference winner in Ohio State.
|1 week 15 hours ago||Michigan's schedule isn't||
Michigan's schedule isn't great either. And having one of their best wins get their face punched in didn't help.
|1 week 15 hours ago||Don't call me guy, buddy.||
Don't call me guy, buddy.
|1 week 15 hours ago||Yup. Plus in the PSU||
Yup. Plus in the PSU scenario, they'll have won 9 straight including wins over a playoff team in OSU and a win over Wisconsin (which is much better than anything Michigan did over that stretch). On top of that, they beat Iowa 41-14 and played Michigan severely depleted on defense. That makes the Michigan game pretty easy to dismiss for the committee, I think.
|1 week 16 hours ago||Helps a tiny bit but not enough||
It helps a tiny bit, but not enough. If Michigan hadn't lost to Iowa its a different story, but they did. And for all the strength of schedule people out there, Michigan played three games out of state and lost two of them. And its not like Rutgers is some big selling point, either. That doesn't look good to the comittee either.
So while its nice that they beat PSU and WI, they lost the games that actually mattered. The committee can put in OSU and the B1G winner and just say tough luck Michigan, should've won your important games.
|1 week 16 hours ago||Well your fucking opinion is||
Well your fucking opinion is wrong. Hate to break it to you.
|1 week 16 hours ago||CFP rankings don't work that way||
The CFP rankings don't work like that. Its not a simple someone ahead of you loses, so everyone else moves up thing. Conference championships are a big data point for them, and they don't factor it in at all until after someone wins one. That's what saw TCU drop from 3 to 6 in 2014 (despite winning big in their last game) and OSU move from 5 to 4.
So while you may use that example as "hey, OSU moved from 5 to 4 and got in" they also won big in their conf. champ game to do so. Michigan has nothing to further wow the committee whereas PSU and WI does.
|1 week 16 hours ago||Keep dreaming.||
The Mich-WI-PSU trio is 5-6-7 in the last rankings. If you think a conference championship and a win over the No. 6/7 team in the country isn't enough to leapfrog a team that's lost 2 of 3, sat at home this week, and saw one of their big wins of the season get absolutely destroyed, then I don't know what to tell you.
|1 week 16 hours ago||Because the WI-PSU winner||
Because the WI-PSU winner will jump Michigan. If you think playing and winning the Big Ten championship game is completely irrelevant to the committee...then I think you are delusional.
|1 week 16 hours ago||Mich needed both to lose||
As of now, Alabama is in, Ohio State is in, and Washington is in. That leaves Clemson, the B1G champ game teams, and Michigan to fight over the #4 spot. If Clemson loses, I think the commitee will take the B1G champ game winner -- regardless of who it is -- over Michigan.
|1 week 16 hours ago||You're delusional.||
|1 week 22 hours ago||Maybe. Michigan couldn't move||
Maybe. Michigan couldn't move the ball anyways so it still probably ends in a FG.
|1 week 1 day ago||Took me a few seconds to||
Took me a few seconds to realize Clash of Royal Strike is a fictional game.
|1 week 1 day ago||Iowa played noooooobody||
Last year is another good example because Iowa played absolutely no one and kept skating their way through undefeated. The one good team they played, MSU, beat them. And then the second good team they played, Stanford, kicked the shit out of them so bad the game was over in the first quarter.
MSU I'm fine with, because even though the two key wins were kinda flukey, they still won. But I don't think its a stretch to say they were the third best team in the Big Ten and the Big Ten probably has a different champion if they are playing OSU or Michigan in the championship game. Ohio State was clearly the best team in the conference, but didn't get a chance to play because of dumb divisions.
|1 week 1 day ago||One of these days, a player||
One of these days, a player is going to turn around and punch him in the face for that. And that man will be a hero worthy of a parade.
Also, this is why I wish hockey's love of fighting would transfer to other spots. Try and cheap shot people in hockey? Someone is going to pound you for it, the refs will let you fight, tell you to go sit in a corner for a bit, and then everyone carries on.
|1 week 1 day ago||The gimmick offense that's won 3 national titles.||
The gimmick offense that's won 3 national titles.
|1 week 1 day ago||Super constructive feedback.||
Super constructive feedback.
|1 week 1 day ago||Comparable in 2 years is the||
Comparable in 2 years is the tough pill to swallow. Very true, but tough to swallow. Can't see them winning against OSU until like 2018...maybe.
|1 week 1 day ago||Little too late. Ohio State is already an Alabama type team.||
Little too late. Ohio State is already an Alabama type team.
|1 week 1 day ago||Gonna be tough to beat them.||
Gonna be tough to beat them. Michigan loses a ton of talent this year while almost all of Ohio State's will return which will make a win in 2017 tough. In 2018, Michigan will still be young and still recovering from Hoke's last terrible class while Ohio State's insane class from this year is rounding into form.
|1 week 1 day ago||Because none of our recruits||
Because none of our recruits are old enough to know who the fuck Alan Branch is (they were like maybe 8 years old).
|1 week 1 day ago||Legit don't know how Michigan||
Legit don't know how Michigan catches up. Ohio State is gonna have a big ol' talent gap for the next few seasons. Michigan is going to have to work wonders with finding diamonds in the rough and development.
|1 week 1 day ago||Might not develop them for||
Might not develop them for the NFL, but they are pretty much all great CFB QBs. Barrett's kicked our ass 2 years in a row and is coming back for round three.
|1 week 1 day ago||There has to be some better||
There has to be some better way of scheduling teams than geography. Wisconsin shouldn't have any easy path to the conference championship and the playoff every year just because they are west of Chicago or Grand Rapids or whatever the magic line is.
|1 week 1 day ago||I used to be in that camp,||
I used to be in that camp, but I think I've changed my mind now. In theory it makes sense, but the way the conferences themselves determine their own champions is flawed. And if it's the committee's job to pick the four best teams then they should be able to see past that.
|1 week 1 day ago||Doesn't fix the Big Ten though||
That's fine for national titles, but it doesn't fix the Big Ten's problem. Divisions worked well enough when they were 5 teams, OK when it was 6, but with 7 teams in each division its just not a good way of figuring out the two best and determining a champion. Especially when the divisions get imbalanced. Has the Big Ten had either of its top two teams in its championship the last two seasons?
I mean, look at the championship game matchups this weekend. Four of the teams in the game are one of the top two teams? That's dumb.
|1 week 1 day ago||I'm just mostly annoyed the||
I'm just mostly annoyed the two reps for the Big Ten champ game are a combined 1-3 vs the clear top two teams in the conference. On top of that, the clear best team in the conference the last three years (our dear Buckeye friends) have played in just one conference championship game. That's dumb.
|1 week 2 days ago||Shit, WD probably wasn't even||
Shit, WD probably wasn't even born in '96.
And now I feel old.
|1 week 2 days ago||Les made $4.3M at LSU. While||
Les made $4.3M at LSU. While there are plenty of $4M+ coaches out there, most of those schools don't have openings and Les isn't exactly an attractive option these days. I'd say his market value is somewhere around $3-3.5M. And yes, Houston can afford that.
|1 week 2 days ago||I miss LSUFreak. His GIFs were awesome.||
I miss LSUFreak. His GIFs were awesome.
|1 week 2 days ago||Sounds like he was watching||
Sounds like he was watching it to know they left things unattended but then just randomly grabbed something from the back and it happened to be a bucket of gold worth $1.6M
|1 week 2 days ago||I'm most impressed by a 5'5",||
I'm most impressed by a 5'5", 150lb guy just snatching an 85lb bucket and running with it like it's nothing. Adrenaline hard at work.
|1 week 3 days ago||Psssst....even from other||
Psssst....even from other Michigan fans, you sound like crybabies.
|1 week 3 days ago||Raekwon McMillan for one, and||
Raekwon McMillan for one, and Indiana has a couple of good ones too I think. But it's Indiana so no one knows about them.
|1 week 3 days ago||Did you read the article or||
Did you read the article or you just providing a snappy response?
|1 week 3 days ago||Voters don't put anywhere||
Voters don't put anywhere close to that much thought into these things. It's much closer to a "what do I need from the grocery store" type of list.
|1 week 3 days ago||No, I think most voters spend||
No, I think most voters spend a grand total of 90s on these lists they have to vote on and generally go "oh...Peppers! He's good, I'll vote for him."
|1 week 3 days ago||No. Doesn't have anywhere||
No. Doesn't have anywhere close to the stats for LB of the year or DPOY. Most of these awards are based on name recognition instead of any sort of insight or deep thinking.
|1 week 3 days ago||Love Peppers but no way in||
Love Peppers but no way in hell is he the Big Ten linebacker of the year or the defensive player of the year... Several more deserving at LB and he's probably not even the best defender on the team. I'd give it to Taco or Lewis first.
|1 week 4 days ago||Go read a book man. Talk a||
Go read a book man. Talk a walk. Y'all are FAR past the embarassing point now.
Some bad things happened, move on.
|1 week 5 days ago||Oh, they never change? Yeah,||
Oh, they never change? Yeah, that's what the people behind this conspiracy WANT you to believe.
|1 week 5 days ago||Good Lord, move on man. It||
Good Lord, move on man. It was a good game, Michigan shit the bed in the 4th quarter, there were some bad calls that didn't go their way, and they lost.
|1 week 5 days ago||I too look forward to reading||
I too look forward to reading it come August.
|1 week 5 days ago||It was before the whistle||
You can hear the whistle blow right after that. While it looks bad, it was still a live ball scenario and Watson was fair game. The play is no different than a QB or punter getting blown up on a return when they aren't paying attention.
While there are things to complain about with the refs this game, this wasn't one of them.
|1 week 5 days ago||The 1st INT||
The 1st INT Speight threw was 100% on execution. Deveon completely missed his blocking assignment and allowed McMillan a clear lane to Speight, who hit his arm as he was throwing. That's what caused the INT. If Speight gets that off clean, I think they actually have a pretty big play because he has Darboh running 20-30 yards down the sideline 1 on 1.
And in most of the 4th quarter, the OL couldn't make a block to save their lives. So you can certainly get into some Brady Hoke "they just didn't execute" territory here. Would have been nice to see some new ideas over the last month. Its like they came up with The Train, and called it a day.
|1 week 5 days ago||Bad for a month||
The offense has been below average for a month. Michigan went from 6.32 to 6.44 to 5.35 yards per play over the course of the last three months. In November, their 363 yards per game is 7th best in the Big Ten. And those poor November numbers include the Maryland game when they had 660 yards of offense.
Similar to last season, the team looks like it peaked too early. Just on the other side of the ball this time. No idea what happened to the play calling in the last month, but its been pretty bad.
|1 week 6 days ago||Partially agree||
I don't think they were that explosive as a trio. Comparitively, they feel just kinda normal. Not going to waste the time doing it, but if you went through a lot of teams across the country, a 750-550-400, 12 TD breakdown for your top 3 WRs is probably pretty normal. Maybe a little below normal for top offenses. For shits and giggles I looked up MSU's top 3: 715-420-324, 13 TDs. And for more shits and giggle's here's Wisconsin's: 535-421-417, 7 TDs....so yeah. Michigan's is pretty normal, unless you think super highly of MSU or Wisconsin's offense.
Also, Darboh was pretty far and away the most dominant of the three. He has almost half (45%) of the trio's yards and exactly half of the TDs.
Where I do agree through is that since there's no Dede Westbrook level top WR to replace, plugging in some new WRs and TEs should be pretty doable, won't be much of a step back, and won't make the offense any less explosive.
Also agree that OL is the top issue. Especially with the way Michigan wants to run the ball.
|1 week 6 days ago||Outside of hope, no||
Outside of just hoping they get better, no. They will be need to land a couple of these blue chip OL players they are in on. They'll also need some of those guys like Dawson and Kugler from the vaunted 2013 OL class to finally shine in their final season. Newsome coming back from injury would be a plus too.
Whole lot of "Ifs" there.
But Speight/Peters should be better, the RBs should be better, the TEs could be fun matchup nightmares, and the WRs will probably be about the same.
|1 week 6 days ago||I legit hate seeing Peppers||
I legit hate seeing Peppers anytime he's back taking a snap. All that formation has done for the last 4-5 weeks is gain 2 yards per play. Which is fine if its 2nd or 3rd and 2. But when they keep calling it on 1st and 10 or 2nd and long, it just kills drives. No idea why they haven't done anything different at all with that formation all season.
|1 week 6 days ago||I don't think splitting 1700||
I don't think splitting 1700 yards and 12TDs between a few players is that hard to replace. And with the way all three were dropping passes the last half of the season I don't think any are sure handed threats that are going to be hard to replace.
|1 week 6 days ago||Pick six||
To me, that pick six was way more on Smith than Speight. Smith totally blew the block that allowed whoever it was to plow into Speight as he was throwing. And the only reason that pass is off is because Speight's arm is hit as he is throwing. Don't remember which receiver it was, but I think he had someone open on the sideline for a big play there if his arm doesn't get hit. Tough to fault a guy for getting blindsided as he's throwing.
Now the fumble and the other pick? Yeah, those were totally on Speight. But he's a redshirt sophomore with plently of upside. It'll either be a more experienced Speight or Peters ready to go. I like our QB chances for next season.
|1 week 6 days ago||Man, I HATED that Bursley||
Man, I HATED that Bursley Baits bus. Missed tons of classes due to a lack of desire to get on that thing.
I'm hoping for Rose too. Don't quite understand why the people making bowl projections have Michigan in the Citrus instead of the Rose. If the CFP is taking Penn State and Ohio State, why would they take a 3-loss Wisconsin over a 2-loss Michigan? Its the Rose Bowl's choice.
|1 week 6 days ago||Stribling and Lewis||
I will say that we'll miss Stribling and Lewis. And some of the DL depth. Because you're right, its a good game if your CBs look invisible.
Peppers I'm not worried about as a returner because we likely have some other players that pick up 75-80% of his slack at that position.
And I agree that this is still a 10-win team next season. Think the offense takes a step forawrd and the defense takes a small one back. It'll still come down to the same three teams in the East next season. (Sorry Sparty).
|1 week 6 days ago||What will you miss?||
OK then, what will you miss most about Butt, Chesson, or Darboh? Going into next season, what's at the top of your "how are we going to replace that" attribute list?
|1 week 6 days ago||Butt had a bad one this game||
Butt had a bad dropped pass this game too. He's had a few bad ones this season. And while he's had a fantastic career at Michigan, with the way he performed this season and with the way they used him, I'm not sure how big of a loss that actually is. Again, its 460 yards and 4 TDs, half of which he picked up in three games against Maryland, UCF, and Colorado. Michigan has a lot of guys that can do 4 catches for 40 yards a game.
|1 week 6 days ago||OL kinda killed us||
Same for me. DPJ is kind of a must get, but WR is a position where guys step up all the time. Its not like we're replacing a 1200yd and 10 TD receiver.
OL kinda killed us in the 4th quarter the last three games when we just needed to grind out a solid 8min scoring drive to ice the game and they couldn't come close. Given how young some of the guys on the OL are, and the young depth behind them, I'm hoping they are at least equal to this season's team, if not better. Will likely be 2018 before they turn into a Stanford or Alabama level road grater crew.
|1 week 6 days ago||Not that huge||
It might feel like it, but its honestly not that big of a loss. Especially if Michigan lands some of the talent they are recruiting. Between those three guys, its 1700 yards and 12 TDs. That's really not that hard to split up amongst some new players. Butt I'm the least worried about replacing considering the talent on the roster. I actually think we might be even better next season at TE with an older Asiasi and Wheatley.
And like I said, given the amount of drops those three have had lately its not like we're losing sure-handed possession receivers or solid red zone threats.
|1 week 6 days ago||That's what I'm saying. The||
That's what I'm saying. The players behind Butt, Chesson, and Darboh will be just fine. For a good example of "HOW WILL WE EVER REPLACE PLAYER X" look at Alabama, Ohio State, or Clemson. Last few year people have said that about the players they have lost, and they've all been just fine. If you can recruit and coach at the level they do (and Michigan does) then you'll be just fine.
Butt, Chesson, and Darboh have had nice careers here, but we're talking about two players in Butt and Chesson have have under 500 yds receiving each, and a total of 6 TDs between them. That's very replaceable. Darboh is the best of the three, but we'll have better or equal players in the next few seasons.
|1 week 6 days ago||But this year looked much||
But this year looked much more like "the year" than next season considering we lose so much talent. Although like I said next year, considering how some of that talent has played the last few weeks maybe it won't be such a big deal.
|1 week 6 days ago||Three pass catchers that drop||
Three pass catchers that drop an AWFUL lot of passes? I think he will be fine. Gotta remember that Speight will only be a junior next season. LOTS of upside still.
|1 week 6 days ago||Maybe that's the key||
Maybe making the refs feel threatened is the key. Bring back the marshmallows.
|1 week 6 days ago||Honestly||
With regards to the players that will be leaving after his season, outside of Taco, I honestly don't recall anyone on either side of the ball having a real impact game. Peppers was kind of invisibile, Lewis was kind of invisible, McCray probably played the game of his life but he is replaceable. That left me encouraged for next season.
The skill players on offense were awful -- both this game and the last few. Just way too many drops out of the WRs and Butt. None of the Chesson-Darboh-Butt trio looks like a huge loss. Any player that's going to drop catchable balls can be replaced. Because honestly, with them all gone next year, what will you miss most about any of the three? We will fine with the WR and TE depth that we have.
So whereas I was discouraged heading into this game thinking this was Michigan's best shot for the next few years against OSU due to their roster departures and OSU's very young roster. I think they might be OK next season. QB should be good, OL should be OK, RB will be fine (although no where near nation's best like OP suggests), and WR and TE can't get any worse. Defense will likely take a step back, but if the offense can take one forward that should even out.
|1 week 6 days ago||It's almost nonexistent and||
It's almost nonexistent and not even worth talking about. You'd have better luck planning for what to do with your lotto winnings.
|1 week 6 days ago||Remember watching the replay||
Remember watching the replay to that and seeing Peppers got burned HARD.
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|2 weeks 1 day ago||Like completing passes?||
After the last two weeks, I would take the exciting development of completing passes on offense.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||The annoying part||
The annoying part is about all of those players leaving is that Michigan should be taking a step back next season talent wise, while the Buckeyes will be getting better since their team is so young. Like, they might have their entire damn team back including JT Barrett. Gonna take a few more seasons of high level recruiting and development to close the gap with them.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||2000||
Last win in Columbus was 2000, when Michigan won 38-26.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||24-13, the bad guys. Can't see how we score this game.||
24-13, the bad guys. Can't see how we score this game.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I bought a 4-pack of Playdoh||
I bought a 4-pack of Playdoh for $2 at Toys R Us. Normally it's $4. So that was pretty sweet.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||You do know it's difficult||
You do know it's difficult for the OL to do their job when the offense becomes entirely 1-dimensional, right?
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Not to go all Debbie Downer||
Not to go all Debbie Downer here, but they did or tried all of that against Indiana and it failed spectacularly. They can only call plays O'Korn is capable of executing and he appears incapable of doing anything at all. Those run backwards for 20 yards and then throw or wild inaccurate throws into the secondary will get turned into pick six's by the Buckeyes.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||You're both right||
You're both right. Forgot Lewis and Taco were both out for that game. They are kinda good. Might have made a difference.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I know Michigan settled in,||
I know Michigan settled in, but that also largely happened after Liufau got banged up. He played for a while hurt, and was then eventually knocked out from the game and that was all she wrote for CU's offense.
And either way you slice it, that was the best offense Michigan has faced and they took it to the Wolverine's defense pretty good early on. Michigan doesn't have the offense these days to come back from a 21-point hole (I'm aware one of those TDs was a defensive one) early on while their defense settles in and figures things out.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||They've given up 42 a game||
They've given up 42 a game the last three in a row, and have held them under 30 once since 2009. So I would hope we're due for a good defensive showing. To have any shot of winning, they'll need to hold them to under 30.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||This defense hasn't looked||
This defense hasn't looked like the top defense in the country for a few weeks now. Still top 5'ish, but not the best. That's clearly Alabama. With the way bad offenses have been able to move the ball on them (albeit sporadically), they've got their work cut out for them on Saturday. Ohio State the is best offense they have faced since Colorado, and Colorado was punching Michigan's defense squarely in the face until Sefo got hurt.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Its rare||
INTs for elite linebackers are rare. In fact, INTs for any linebacker are pretty rare. Rueben Foster and Raekwon McMillan, two of the top LBs in the upcoming draft don't have a single INT. In fact, there isn't a LB on Alabama's roster that has an INT. The only LB on Ohio State's roster (their 17 INTs are fifth most in the country) that has one is Jerome Baker.
So I wouldn't worry too much about a lack of INTs.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||61 receptions||
His 61 receptions are second in the Big Ten and he has the 4th most receiving yards in the Big Ten. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Exactly||
Do what Michigan did with Woodson back in the day. Have him run some patterns. Regardless of whether or not he's getting the ball, he'll likely draw a couple of players to him in coverage. Put him in at slot, or tailback. Pair him up with another shifty guy like Evans. Peppers taking the snap has become one of the most predictable plays we run.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Noah Brown||
Noah Brown has been one of the biggest mysteries of the season. After the way he started and broke out vs. Oklahoma, to how he's finished the season has been baffling. He had 134 yds and 5 TDs over his first three games, and has had 211 yds, and 2 TDs in the eight games since then.
Curtis Samuel on the other hand is very good. Don't kid yourself.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Peppers the running back||
Peppers the running back makes me sad lately. He's at 3.5ypc over the last four games. I almost dread the Peppers package these days. Almost. Still holding out hope they have some good wrinkles saved for Ohio State.
Peppers the spacebacker and Peppers the punt returner, however, continue to make me very, very happy. Here's hoping all three click in Columbus and deliver a win and cement his place in NYC.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Issue with the app||
Not sure what happened here. I replied on the app to "The Fan in Fargo" (who must be banned) who was saying I was way off on QB being an x-factor and I must not even watch football. So it looked like I was replying to Hops instead of some troll.
So if I was a little snarky, that's why.
And I totally agree with Hops that TOC is hot garbage and that was still good enough for MSU to be a 2-pt away from beating OSU.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||So you think we're totally||
So you think we're totally fine at QB? We've struggled to hit 20 points in our last two games and that's because of the QB. We'll be facing the best defense (or the second best of you like Wisconsin better) and the best offense we've played all season and we'll need to score more than 20 to win, but yeah....QB is not the biggest X-factor.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||It's our QB by a loooooong||
It's our QB by a loooooong shot. If we can't move the ball through the air, it doesn't matter what we do on defense.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Thanks for the internet pep||
Thanks for the internet pep talk, tough guy.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Now THAT's something to worry||
Now THAT's something to worry about
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Same team||
Michigan and Ohio State are basically the same team. Both have excellent defenses, both offenses have struggled against good defenses, both have excellent coaches...only difference is Michigan lost their starting QB and the game is on the road. Michigan is going to need a small handful of things to go their way to win this game.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Probably the same way||
Probably the same way Harbaugh will get our own QB to not turf it. In case you missed it, windy snowstorms aren't the best conditions for throwing a football.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Neutral field with Speight,||
Neutral field with Speight, it's probably 50-50. On the road with (probably) no Speight....ehhh...1/3.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Same||
I feel like they have around a 1/3 shot of winning. Like, play the game three times and Ohio State probably wins two of them. But hey, just need to win that one time.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Yup||
Line opened up at Ohio State -6.5 and I really can't decide if that's good or bad. Michigan hasn't looked great on the road, their offense will grind to a halt if O'Korn/Speight can't bounce back on the road.....its the type of game where they're going to need some defensive TOs or a special teams TD.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||And...||
And outside of the Rutgers game, Michigan has looked rough on the road. All two of those games (outside of Rutgers).
Ohio State has a defense with a pulse, an offense with a pulse, and its on the road where Michigan hasn't looked that great.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Have you watched USC?||
Have you watched USC recently? Outside of Alabama, I can't think of a team I'd rather play less. They are ROLLING.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Its actually pretty simple||
If the Big Ten champ is in the CFP, then the Rose Bowl picks the replacement. And since it is their choice, they can pick whoever the hell they want within reason. So in a scenario where Michigan isn't in the CFP, the Rose Bowl will be picking between 2-loss Big Ten teams, and they will pick Michigan 100/100 times.
So to answer the OP's question...yes, if Michigan isn't in the CFP they are in the Rose Bowl.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||When someone is saying that a||
When someone is saying that a guy who was anywhere from a 1/30 to a 1/50 odds favorite, and literally the worst bets you can make in Vegas (a $100 bet wins you $2 at 1/50 odds), is now out of the race because of one bad game that's not a viewpoint I can take serious. And frankly it's asinine enough that it deserves to be laughed at.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||LOL, he's not out of the race||
LOL, he's not out of the race because of one bad game. He's still the front runner by a good margin even after that mess. But instead of the wild 1/30 odds to win it'll be a lot closer (Peppers is 12/1 to give you an idea of just how big Jackson's lead is). And it opens the door for someone like Jabrill or Watson or Hurts if they have a couple of huge games.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||If we had beaten Iowa, yes,||
If we had beaten Iowa, yes, but not now. It's really as simple as beat Ohio State and win the Big Ten and you're in. Lose to Ohio State and it's NY6 bowl time. Really no other options.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Fixed||
While the rest of yall are bitching about formatting, I'm out here solving problems.
RB Najee Harris: Last CB to UM this week
WR D People-jones: Last 19 CBs to UM, 2 this month
WR Nico Collins: Nothing new since Sep.
WR Oliver Martin: Last 4 to UM in October
OL Chuck Filiaga: Last 7 to UM in October
OL Tederral Slaton: Last prediction was Ace for Miami (YTM)
OL Isaiah Wilson: Last 6 to UM, 5 in past month
DT Jay Tufele: OSU insider predicted UM in Oct, national writer picked OSU last week
DT Aubrey Solomon: Last 2 "foggy". Ain't that the truth.
DE Deron Irvin Bey: nothing new in past 6 weeks
LB Drew Singleton: last 2 CBs to Clemson.
LB Willie Gay: 4 Cbs to Miss St this week, including one from Wiltfong
LB Jordan Anthony: last 6 to UM, including Lorenz last week
CB Darnay Holmes: last 12 to UCLA.
CB Ambry Thomas: Last 24 to UM, one this month
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Ed Oliver||
Man, Ed Oliver is a BEAST. Easily the top freshman in CFB.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||It was before the safety||
I think he tightened up the minute he had to throw from his own endzone. That 1&10 from the 2 was the beginning of the end. Not only was the throw to a covered Butt bad and off, he had a WIDE open Chesson just behind Butt for at least a 15 yard gain.
And I don't put much if any of the blame on the WRs for not hauling in some of the passes. Speights throws were WAY off making some of those catches damn near impossibilities. Like the INT at the end of the game. They didn't show a great angle of it on TV, but on the melt footage I've seen that ball was thrown so far behind Chesson that the DB hits him as the ball is getting there and he has his arm between Chesson's hands. I don't think there's any way Chesson can catch that.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||The visit isn't this weekend.||
The visit isn't this weekend. It'll be sometime in December. Although that date isn't set yet either and he's an early enrollee so I'll believe it when he's on campus.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Doubt it||
The visit isn't going to be this weekend. Originally it was, but he has quarterfinals now and can't make it. So now it'll be sometime in December.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||It'll still be a NY6 bowl.||
It'll still be a NY6 bowl. Might not be the Rose, but it'll be NY6.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||You go to hell! And while||
You go to hell! And while you're there, get me a juicebox!!
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Hope these guys go out on top||
Hope these guys go out on top in their last game at Michigan, because man oh man...have they seen some SHIT in their time here.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Its the same reason||
Its the same reason Louisville isn't going to make the playoff. Clemson will be in the ACC Championship game and will likely be playing Virginia Tech. If they win, they are in and L'Ville is out because you're not going to put them in ahead of Ohio State or whoever wins the Pac-12. Because they would'nt have beaten anyone to justify that.
Now if they lose to Va. Tech...then it gets interesting. You might see the ACC left out altogether in that scenario. Their "best" team would be L'Ville who would have a terrible resume compared to other 1-loss teams and even 2-loss teams.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Same goes for USC. People||
Same goes for USC. People were talking about Helton getting fired midseason, players walking out of practice, players punching him in the face....and now? Outside of Alabama, USC might be the team in CFB I'd least want to face. They've been outstanding the last 5 weeks or so.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah that makes no sense to||
Yeah that makes no sense to me. They've only beaten 2 teams with a winning record and Clemson has five wins like that AND Louisville is one of them.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||That's where the committee||
That's where the committee steps in. One of the things they are supposed to do is avoid rematches, so you wouldn't get a Colorado-Michigan Rose Bowl rematch. Someone (likely the Rose's choice) would get bumped to another NY6 bowl.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Only because I just edited a||
Only because I just edited a video on this, the committee has four criteria for picking the four best teams:
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Sure we would. We'd be a||
Sure we would. We'd be a 2-loss top ten team, and Michigan would get picked over a variety of other 2-loss teams for ratings.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||It's the Rose Bowl's choice||
It's the Rose Bowl's choice and they would take Ohio State 10 out of 10 times.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah, pretty sure Michigan||
Yeah, pretty sure Michigan winds up in a NY6 bowl regardless of what happens against Ohio State. Provided they beat Indiana, of course....
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Look at Louisville schedule.||
Look at Louisville schedule. It's trash and they have no marque games left -- especially compared to Clemson's. They ain't making the playoff.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||There is zero chance a Penn||
There is zero chance a Penn State team that wins the Big Ten gets left out in favor of Ohio State. ZERO. Two of the four criteria for the selection committee are championships won and head to head.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Probably why ESPN and others||
Probably why ESPN and others reported it as "likely out for this Saturday."
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Just wrap some bacon on it,||
Just wrap some bacon on it, and you'll be good to go.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Feels like he's already worn down||
He's had less of an impact on the field the last couple of weeks. Against Iowa he was almost invisible. Starting to wonder if he's worn down. Would rather have 100% demon terror Peppers on defense than 75% of Peppers on defense and offense. They have similar weapons on offense (Evans) but not on defense.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Heisman package||
Think it was during the MSU game that I started calling it Michigan's Heisman package. Honestly all it feels like these days. Just a way to get Peppers run some on offense to boost his Heisman campaign. Would honestly rather see more carries go to Chris Evans. Statistically, they are equal but Evans has triple the runs.
Evans -- 65 carries, 7.8 yards/play, 3 TD
Peppers - 21 carries, 7.7 yards/play, 3 TD
I mean, if you're going to put Peppers in the game, why not go Peppers at QB, Evans at RB, Smith at FB, and leave O'Korn on the sideline? Do some freaky triple option type thing. Although that would require the OL to hold the edge, which has been dicey as hell lately.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Exactly!!||
The Peppers' wildcat package hasn't been very effective the last several weeks. Its so well defended and predictable now that I almost wonder why they still do it. It sprung the big flea flicker play against Maryland, but that was almost botched, and also it was against Maryland. So take that with a grain of salt. Aginst real defenses with actual well coached and talented players on it, its been ineffective.
If Michigan wants to beat Ohio State, they are going to need all they can get from Peppers on defense and O'Korn to shine on his own on offense.
Also, any wrinkles they could add to it now -- like Peppers passing -- are so blindingly obvious I can't see a defense like Ohio State falling for them.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Michigan has helped though||
Michigan has helped neutralize him on offense. Almost all of the playcalls when he's in the game are predictable and easy to defend. Outside of the flea flicker play in the Maryland game, its tough to remember a play where he was a big plus or upgrade over another running back when he was on offense. Would like to see some plays with him, Evans, and Smith in the backfield. Hell, throw in McDoom too, although his play calls are super obvious now as well.
On defense, whoever the annoucer was in the Michigan State game pointed out MSU's game plan of just running at Peppers. Since we don't have any another good LB options, going manball and just running at him is a pretty good option since we can't hide him and it exploits the weak linebackers. Defensively, I don't know what else you're supposed to do there. He's good LB/S to have for spread teams, but probably a liability vs manball teams like Iowa and MSU.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||If they are the #2 defense...||
My basic point was regarding calling the defense overrated. If I came in here last week saying Michigan was just a top 5 defense or Alabama's was the best, people would lose their minds, point to various fancy stats, and this and that and say that this is clearly the best defense in college football and one of Michigan's best defenses EVER.
Now, here we are after that Iowa game saying they are *just* a top 5 defense or the second best defense behind Alabama. That's my point. We thought this was the best defense in CFB or a historically great defense and its not. Its still a pretty fucking outstanding defense, just not as good as we maybe thought. Hence, its overrated.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Had the same thought||
I had the same thought watching that. The throwaway was pretty quick, and then the way they stayed on the field and went right back to the same exact formation made that one feel like they had seen something on tape that they wanted to exploit. It was like the third down was a test to see if Michigan had changed anything strategy wise prior to the game. Kinda like throwing a hand in poker to figure out someone's tell.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||That was kinda my point.||
That was kinda my point. They played like a top 25 defense, not a top 1 or 2 defense. On the season, Iowa averages 153 yards a game on the ground, and Iowa outperformed that.
If you're going to be a "historically great" defense, you should be suffocating teams. Which is where we get into the whole overrated thing. If you're going to be the best defense in college football or even a historically great defense (which is what some people were calling them) then that shouldn't happen.
Take Alabama going into Death Valley and shutting that shit down against LSU. Now THAT is a great defense.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||It can be both||
You can have both problems. You can have bad play calling, but if the lines are killing it, it can overcome the bad play calling -- and vice versa.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I also drank from my lucky||
I also drank from my lucky Michigan coffee cup that morning too. I did my part.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I don't know how you can||
I don't know how you can watch Michigan's last two road games, watch Ohio State at home, and say that you think Michigan is the better team. All of the problems Michigan had against MSU and Iowa they will have to face against Ohio State, but in a more hostile environment and against much better athletes. Plus, Weber isn't the issue -- its Curtis Samuel. A guy perfectly able to exploit all of the bad things you've seen the Michigan defense give up the last couple of weeks.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I'd say the defense and||
I'd say the defense and offense were both overrated. If you're a top 2 defense you don't struggle like that - even in the road. And if you're a top 5 or even top 10 offense, you shouldn't struggle that badly either. Both sides of the ball were overrated from playing against weak competition.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I've also been drinking and||
I've also been drinking and changed my mind when I did the top 10 but forgot to change the top part of the post. Gonna be tough to punish Michigan with 3 top 10 wins. I mean hell, tell me why they aren't #2?
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I think we'll be behind both||
I think we'll be behind both Louisville and Clemson. Something like
1. Bama (10-0)
2. Ohio State (9-1)
3. Clemson (9-1)
4. Michigan (9-1)
5. Louisville (9-1)
6. Washington (9-1)
7. Wisconsin (8-2)
8. Penn State (8-2)
9. Oklahoma (8-2)
10. Colorado (8-2)
Although I think 4/5 is a coin flip. And that top 10 gives Michigan three top 10 wins which is better than anyone else, so....who the fuck knows. Maybe Michigan moves up with a loss, LOL.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Ohio State||
Last two years Ohio State has started murdering people after their first loss. Hopefully Michigan finds the same motivation.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Didn't catch that during the||
Didn't catch that during the game since I had to watch portions on mute. But that seems like it would be on Speight and the coaches. Speight for going for it repeatedly and then on the coaches for not telling him to take what the defense was giving him and/or for not calling some shorter confidence boosting plays.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Game changed on the safety drive||
Speight was never the same after that safety drive. Before they made him throw on 1st and 10 from his own 2 yard line, Speight was night and day. Starting on that drive with that throw, Michigan's offense went:
FG (12 plays, 60yds)
INT (9 plays, 22 yds)
Before that, they had three drives that went for 6/22, 10/23 FG, and 9/72 TD. Speight was 6/11 for 68 yards. Not good, but not bad. After that, he finished 5/15, 35 yards, and an INT.
And given all of that, on the most important play of the game, 3rd and 8 they had Speight go long to Darboh. Just dumb play calling. Yeah, maybe Darboh could have caught it, but the throw was short and behind Darboh.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Facemask||
Honestly don't think that facemask call changes anything. Michigan couldn't stop Iowa at all on that final drive, so another 15 yards doens't change a whole lot. Iowa likely picks that up anyways since they ran out the clock at the end to kick the FG.
Outside of that? Bullshit calls flowed both ways. Only reason Michigan was in a position to win was becasue of a bullshit running over the snapper call.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Agreed...sort of||
Agreed on not needing help. They still need to beat Ohio State (which now looks like a tall task considering the last two road performances) and win the Big Ten and then they'd make the playoff with ease.
Don't agree on Speight being the issue, though. The play calling this game was straight ass. Speight was 0-ball game on long passes and they still kept calling them. Right up until the end. When they saw him struggling, they should have started calling short passes, screens, etc to build up a rhythm. Instead we got long bombs, and "Hey Peppers, is in the game, wonder what the play will be" or "Hey, McDoom is in the game, wonder what they'll do."
Those funny videos of Penn State calling out what Iowa was going to do last week? Yeah, that was us this week.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||This one was on the coaches.||
This one was on the coaches. I have no idea what their plan was on offense. They got cute at inopportune times and just killed drives with the play calling.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Clemson's DL is no joke too.||
Clemson's DL is no joke too. If Bama is the varsity squad, Clemson is the JV.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||The teams line up nicely for them||
If they are going to make a title run, the three teams they need to beat line up nicely and help Michigan prepare for each. Provided they beat Ohio State and win the Big Ten champ game, they'd likely face Clemson, which is a better version of Ohio State, and then likely face Alabama, which is a better version of Clemson.
To do it, they are going to have to tame their dual-threat QB bugaboo from years past. But at least they will play teams that prepare them for that from one challenge to the next.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Penn State||
Penn State remains one of the most confusing parts of the season for me. Michigan absolutely owned them. Granted they were down to the waterboy at MLB, but they still owned them. And then PSU beats Ohio State and genuinely looks like a pretty decent/good team.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||3rd downs||
Was just looking at stats for Big Ten teams and Iowa was dead last in the Big Ten at converting third downs against FBS winning teams. Just 25%. Nationally, that ranks 117th. Michigan is second in allowing a third down vs. winning FBS teams behind Va. Tech.
This game is going to be a murderfest.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I still feel like both||
I still feel like both Clemson and Louisville are being propped up by the notion that FSU is good and if you've watched them....they are a mess. Bad defense and no OL.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I mean, we have to beat OSU||
I mean, we have to beat OSU to get in the playoff regardless so a lot of this bitching regarding Michigan's ranking is kinda meaningless....yet it's still super annoying.