I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
|1 week 2 days ago||Aaaaand||
Right away the first comment is dickish. Look, either give some analysis or don't post.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||These comments||
Remind me of the ridiculous "we're turrrible" threads after the basketball team lost to Wisconsin in the B1G tourney. This coach should fired, that player has no discipline, the sky is falling, we'll be lucky to win one game in the NCAA tournament...
|13 weeks 5 days ago||thanks!||
So nothing more elaborate than that huh? The guy who posed the question, in a sort of "Quiz of the Day" kind of way, gave me the impression that it was something a bit less mundane.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Sort of a hijack... but...||
Keeping with the theme of history and education;
can anyone tell me why, up until 1957, only 6 of the annual MSU/UofM football games were played in East Lansing?
|14 weeks 16 hours ago||That was the allegation||
Yost knew better than to just come out and say that he hated catholics publicly, so he often accused Notre Dame of using "ringers" and felt that they got away with this because they didn't belong to a conference and therefore didn't have to comply with Big Ten rules against that sort of thing. The reality, according to most sources, though, is that Notre Dame didn't use ringers any more than most other programs, including Michigan.
What I find is that Notre Dame fans will cite that book ad nauseum when attempting to illustrate Yost's moral failings, but will deny that the book even exists when it comes to the part where a group of Michigan students essentially brought football to ND and "taught" them how to play.
|14 weeks 16 hours ago||1994 backfield||
I was the running backs manager that year. In addition to Wheatley and Tshimanga that backfield also had fresman Chris Howard and Chris Floyd as well as Jon Ritchie, Che Foster and "Steady" Eddie Davis.
That was my first glimpse into the mind of Coach Jackson. Coming into the building after two-a-days Coach Jackson told me that Biakabatuka had feet as fast as Barry Sanders' (which *could* be true) and that, if he had his choice he'd start Chris Howard over everyone because he was the quickest in the hole.
He then quipped "did you know Timmy speaks something like 4 languages? Did you know Jon Ritchie got like a 1550 on his SAT's? How am I supposed to coach those guys? They're all smarter than I am?!" I still have a picture of a 1 year old Jeremy Jackson hanging around with the players in the lockerroom somewhere.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||To me||
I'll cut a kid more slack if he comes from a rough/poor background and simply doesn't always have a solid grasp on "how to act" when thrust in the limelight... but when you're a guy who grew up with every advantage, supportive parents etc. and you still can't seem to "get it right" the sympathy fades a bit more quickly. He knows what to do, he just can't manage to do it because he has this sense of entitlement. At least that's how he comes across.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Not a douche at all?||
What news have you been following? Lets see, gets pissy on twitter over a ticket on his Mercedes, gets sent home from the Manning camp because he can't "wake up", shows up unannounced at a frat party on the campus of an arch rival and gets pissy when they boot him... And that's what? The last 3 months? You're right. Model citizen.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Lets see...||
Over privileged rich kid from Texas who happens to be good at football turns our to be a petulant douche with no concept of boundaries or consequences. Bit "on the nose" isn't it?
|18 weeks 6 days ago||The thing that bothers me||
The thing that bothers me is that I had the "rented" cushions a few years ago for free when they unceremoneously moved my season tickets from one end zone to the other to make more room for the students (who didn't show up until the second quarter anyway... but I digress). The rental cushions are terrible. It had rained the morning before the game and the cushions were soaked through at game time, but because we couldn't remove them we had no choice but to sit there and get our asses soaked for the entire game. Our friends brought their foam seat cushions to the game out of habit and ended up using those to buffer themselves from the saturated rental cushions.
Obviously, this made us decidedly uninterested in the permanent cushions as they were inferior to simply bringing your own DRY cushion to each game.
|19 weeks 1 hour ago||Question...||
So will the officially licensed seat cushions bearing the M logo come with a warning that said cushion should not be purchased with the intent of using it at M sporting events? Or is this just a caveat emptor kind of thing?
|19 weeks 5 days ago||LDS church||
the Mormons had a concentrated outreach to American Samoa, with many converts deciding to move to Utah over the past few decades.
EDIT: and Tongans and other Pacific Islanders.
|19 weeks 6 days ago||TIMMMMAAAY!!!||
|19 weeks 6 days ago||Agreed||
The main thrust of the article, about Meyer being a fake, gets completely undercut by the fact that he kept going back to the Hyde issue which is now, apparently, a non-issue.
What rubs me the wrong way about Urban Meyer is the same thing that rubed me the wrong way about Tressel... they both profess to be "doing it better" than everyone else despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary. Stop with the holier than though act and quit feeding us this notion that because you're vocal about your faith you're somehow a step above your peers. Both of them seem to subscribe to the notion that if they keep telling people how much integrity and decency they have eventually it'll just be accepted as the reality. They have this obsession with having full control of a narritive that, in reality, is largely shaped by the whims of 20 year old kids and the media who reports on their missteps.
|20 weeks 3 hours ago||DOH!||
Ya, I did kinda kill it there. *boo*
|20 weeks 3 hours ago||well, to be fair||
It's not like "Notre Dame," the institution spent the money. Addidas made that shirt, as I'm sure a handfull of other licensees did. It's not that much outlay for a few thousand shirts to sell right away and the profit margin makes it completely worth it if the team does win. How big of an underdog a particular team is doesn't factor into the equation. After all, significant under dogs DO occassionally pull off the miracle, plus, can you imagine the fall out if ND had won and all of their fans at the game immediately went clamoring to buy official gear only to find out that Addidas didn't have enough faith in their team to have shirts and hats printed up? *gulp*
Better to have them ready on the off chance you'll be able to sell a $3.00 shirt for $25.00 than NOT be prepared and face a disasterous PR problem.
|20 weeks 1 day ago||I'll never forget that voice||
"Goddamn it, let's go!! It's black bag day! This is a big goddamn game! Notre Dame! We're playing Notre Dame! Assholes! FUCK 'EM!! Let's go!! Black bags, lets GO!!!"
|21 weeks 5 days ago||okay sure||
so I'm of questionable character because a sick kid decided to equate my school with his brain cancer and I was honest about the fact that this struck me as a comparison I didn't care for. Right. Got it.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Okay, seriously||
This kid can do whatever he wants, no one is forbidding it and its not like I'm going to walk up to him and tell him his tactic for dealing with cancer offends me. I'm expressing my opinion to a bunch of Michigan bloggers here, I'm not ripping the kid on a billboard in his hometown. It is possible to fully support this child and still privately be of the opinion that equating his cancer with Michigan is kind of Buckeye-ish.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Easy dude||
Jesus, you think I'd actually SAY that to a kid with cancer?! what the fuck's wrong with YOU? Expressing my view that I think this is kind of shitty, on this blog, does not equate to walking up to a family dealing with cancer and telling them off. You need to turn it down from 11 there guy.
I said it was something that I thought, not something I'd say. I'd SAY "so sorry to hear that. If there's anything I can do..." And I would mean it, but a part of me would also not appreciate equating my school with this child's disease. I wouldn't say that to a family battling cancer, but I'd certainly THINK it as a secondary issue. Just being honest. But for purposes of having an open discussion about it on this blog, and for purposes of being HONEST about how that whole thing struck me; sorry but it struck me as kind of a Buckeye thing to do. It's the kind of thing that wouldn't even occur to me to suggest, and if it did come up I would suggest we pick something else to call the cancer because naming it after a rival school is just kind of Buckeye-ish.
I never said anything about being "enraged" by it, I never said he doesn't have "the right" to do it and I never, NEVER suggested that if, given the opportunity I would walk up to this kid or his parents and say any of this. I'm just merely expressing that I, like Brian, also found this a totally "Buckeye thing to do."
You're goddamn right he can name his cancer any goddamn thing he wants, but I'm goddamn well within my rights to think TO MYSELF that its kind of shitty and, when it comes up on the blog, express my view without YOU giving me life advice and making judgements about my character.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||I respect the other perspectives on this Michigan/Cancer thing||
but I'm sort of with Brian. As soon as I saw the whole "kid names his cancer 'Michigan' and then beats it" headline I said "Good for him for beating cancer!" ...and also thought "wow, what a totally Buckeye thing to do." Sorry. To me, the statement is more about the parents than the kid.
My school, my alma mater, a place I hold near and dear to my heart, a place that has devoted significant resources into becoming a world renowned children's hospital and cancer research center does not deserve to be the metaphorical stand-in for a child's horrible, life threatening disease. I wish the kid well, but that's, I don't know, gratuitous and kind of shitty. I mean, the kid has cancer, I get it, but why do you have to shit on my school about it. How does that make things better?
I for one, as a parent, would feel like a total douche walking around telling people that my kid has cancer and has decided to name it "Sparty." I would inherently know that my MSU aquaintances would immediately think "Jesus, sorry about your kid, but, seriously, fuck you. My school is not your kid's cancer and I don't appreciate the connotation." I wouldn't do that to others or encourage it out of my child. A Buckeye, apparently, would... hence it's a total Buckeye thing to do.
If it were my child I would suggest we call the cancer "Loki" or "Bane" or any other truly "bad guy" out there that they might want to defeat. If "Michigan" is the worst thing this kid can think of, making it his proxy for "brain cancer" then, again, we are dealing with a Buckeye mentality and this is a total Buckeye thing to do.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Oh ya...||
and the thing is... we knew it. The team experienced tough losses the prior year and bounced back to finish strong because we just knew we weren't putting it all together. The Colorado loss was completely different. There was no feeling of "we're going to be fine" it was a feeling of "we blew our shot, just play out the string."
For the rest of the season we beat the teams we were supposed to beat (had too much talent and too good of coaching for anything else) but we lacked something against Penn State that I would directly attribute to the Colorado loss. The coaches tried, they said and did all of the things that had worked the year before ("our goals are still in front of us!") but for the players... it was different. Maybe its a good example as to why we should always keep the talk centered on the Big Ten Championship. I dunno.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Kordell||
God that '94 Colorado loss was hard. MAN.
As a student manager I was directly across from Stewart when he heaved that ball, winding up Coach Carr's cords on the sideline. Lloyd and Coach Mattison were hugging, literally hugging each other as they set up for that final play. Coach Carr had handed me his headset and began walking up the field to get a view of the pass from deeper in the secondary. I was winding up the cord, at the Buffs' 30 yard line, when Kordell reared back and I yelled "keep dreaming my man! You ain't got that kinda arm!!" Turns out, he did. He threw that thing from his own 27 to our 3.
As the ball went up in the air a few players (all taller than me) stepped out in front of me and I lost my view. I just put my head down and kept winding the cord, smiling and waiting for the crowd to erupt. Instead, the stadium gasped and went dead. I mean DEAD. I looked up the sideline just as a fellow manager turned around and threw his hands up over his head in dispair. I yell out "what?!" and he blubbers "they fucking caught it!"
That game just felt HUGE at the time. We were coming off of 5 straight Big Ten titles (4 outright) from '88 to '92 and then the year before, my first year as a manager, we go 8-4. We had been 4-4 at one point in '93 (after that horrible Wisconsin game in Madison), but blasted through the rest of the season, beating down an OSU team that thought it was Rose Bowl bound and thrashing NC State in the Hall of Fame Bowl. We felt really good going into '94.
Before the Colorado game, the '94 team had *secret* talks of making a national championship run. Not just "Rose Bowl" talk as tradition dictates, but actual national championship talk. Coach Moeller wasn't even discouraging it. We had an experienced QB, Wheatley was back, a huge and talented O-line, Mercury and Amani, and a veteran defense. We beat Notre Dame in South Bend the week before and we figured we we're on our way. Then... Stewart to Westbrook and that damn SI cover. "THE CATCH!"
Then we ended up on the cover of SI again a month later after another heartbreaking loss, this time to Penn State. We lost to Wisconsin two weeks later (back to back losses to the Badgers was unheard of back then) and then dropped the final game in the 'Shoe to a pretty crappy OSU squad and watched them haul John friggin Cooper off the field on their shoulders like he'd just been fired for lying. This was the game where various pieces of equipment "came up missing" from our locker room inside OSU's stadium, including Wheatley's helmet and other rather essential items. A bowl win against Colorado State to end the season was of little solace (although San Diego was nice).
Jesus 1994 sucked. Even after all we've endured since; from the Season of Infinite Pain, the Horror on through the Rich Rod years, 1994 will continue to live in infamy.
|24 weeks 4 days ago||Ladies!||
"Hey there Ladies... Like to go for a spin in my sweet convertible? It's a Pontiac!"
|25 weeks 1 day ago||"necessary" or not||
"necessary" or not isn't the question. It's "who's paying for them." That's the question. Since it's 'Bama the answer is probably "rich booster," to which, whatever. *shrug*
|25 weeks 1 day ago||fine line||
It's a fine line between "trashing" a school's academics and praising their academic support. Kind of like the line between stupid and clever.
It's just that little turn...
|25 weeks 1 day ago||I think this is totally awesome||
good natured, no big deal, and funny. I wish stuff like this came to define the back and forth we have with our rivals more than the vitriol that's usually served up.
|26 weeks 5 days ago||To me||
It looks like something DC Comics would have come up with in the 70's for a superhero, some minor character named "Dyna-Star" or some such thing. It's got that "I bet the kids really thought that looked cool 30 years ago" vibe going on.
|31 weeks 4 days ago||all I can say is||
I love that "#winteriscoming" is in that pic.
|34 weeks 3 days ago||I was at both of those||
...miserable. But for my money, nothing was worse than Purdue1995.
|35 weeks 3 days ago||Poop.||
|35 weeks 3 days ago||Anyone actually WITNESS this?||
I'm not finding a single local news source corroborating this and, frankly, those pics and that video could be from anywhere. On Facebook they show a different pic and link the Daily, but all the Daily said was that it was a quiet, tame celebration. Might be wishful thinking, but could we be looking at a hoax?
|35 weeks 3 days ago||Fire Bielien!!||
We suck!!! Wait... What just happened? I haven't watched since the B1G tournament.
|36 weeks 4 days ago||Two encounters||
Two encounters is a pretty small sample size to draw sweeping conclusions about a "fan base" as a whole. Personally, I've had the exact opposite experience where the Buckeye contingent went out of their way to be jerks while the Spartans were good natured. Depends on the nature of the individuals at issue. I've run into jerks and nice people representing every rival fan base, as well as many Michigan fans who were complete assholes to visiting fans as well as other Michigan fans. In the end, I believe that all fan bases have pretty much equal proportions of all types with some perceived variation due to commonly held beliefs that are perpetuated by the media. You'll notice Nebraska fans being nicer because they have an established rep for it; same with Michigan fans being arrogant and Buckeye fans being a bit too "extreme." This corroborates what you've "heard" and you tend not to notice the other variations. We think MSU fans are classless, but that's not an opinion that the MSM has perpetuated, so it's not a universally held perception, just a regional one. They're status as always being in Michigan's shadow is well known, but that's nothing unique; see Texas/Texas A&M, Oklahoma/Oklahoma State, Alabama\Auburn... Personally, I have this perception that OSU fans are the absolute worst despite the fact that I grew up in Lansing and have seen much more atrocious Spartan behavior. It doesn't make much sense.
|37 weeks 3 days ago||Wait, wait, wait...||
I thought our coaching staff sucked at coaching defense?
I thought this team was just mediocre and not worth the time to watch?
I thought they were a collection of pathetic losers, chokers and quitters? "All of that talent and nothing to show for it."
I thought GRIII was a spoiled brat who could care less?
|38 weeks 4 days ago||We need 2 post game threads.||
This has probably been suggested before, but I'd really like to see TWO threads started after games, a RANT thread and a SERIOUS DISCUSSION thread. That way all of you DB's who are bagging on these kids now (but LOVED them all after the OSU and MSU wins) can have your own little place to be pathetic reactionists while the rest of us actually have a place to voice rational critique and discussion. This would allow the mods to simply direct RANTERS to the RANT thread when they take the time to post how they "don't have time to watch" losers, instead of handing out down votes and deleting comments and all that.
There are so many good questions and comments in these threads, but they get drowned out by the noise coming from the kiddie table. Let's give the kiddie table their own thread.
|40 weeks 5 days ago||The point is...||
Theses kids don't "owe" any of us a goddamn thing. They're not loafing on defense because they're lazy and think its fun to screw with fans, it's just that the college game is still moving pretty fast for them and they're clearly not fully understanding all of the concepts, assignments and switches being thrown at them on D, but their offense is coming along. Ripping them like they're an insult to the sport is as asinine as it is counter productive.
|41 weeks 18 min ago||I don't think we should be asking if this was a "flop"||
Describing this situation with the term "flop," to me, diminishes the nature of what were talking about here. Its one thing to try and draw a conventional charge call by initiating contact and then exagerating the impact to maximize effect. It could be debated that this is "part of the game" but is usually labelled "floping." If this Sheehey play is what it appears to be (from the circumstantial evidence) this isn't a flop; its way beyond that. Its flat dirty.
This is not a regular, run-of-the-mill charge/blocking foul situation. This is about a rule that has been implemented for player safety which, if the implications are correct, was used to bail out a team in a "no hope" situation. Getting two shots and another possession was just about IU's only hope there, and the only way to accomplish that was to deliberately place a players face at elbow level of the opponent so that contact would be likely, resulting in a review and possible flagrant foul call. Furthermore, given the apptitude of some of these refs, its not exactly a shot in the dark.
The funny thing is that while I was watching the game, when this happened, everyone in the room exclaimed AT THE SAME TIME "did that dude just put his face into the guy's elbow on purpose?!?" It appeared incredibly purposeful, and the replay made it seem even more so. We were all skeptical but, I'm not going to accuse someone of something like that without more to go on.
Now you take into account the timing of the TO, the clip of what Crean appears to be doing during the TO, that this occured directly after the TO, Crean's immediate reaction to the incident (screaming for a review without a moment's hesitation) and the implications are pretty strong; not conclusive, but pretty strong.
Calling this a "flop" is a slap in the face to honest flop artists everywhere.
This is dirty, bushleague, "hurts the integrity of the game" type stuff. Again, if true...
|41 weeks 2 hours ago||Torn...||
While the Michigan fan part of me loves to see a rival fall flat with a hire, the SEC hater in me wishes MSU would've done something BOLD. This is somewhat analogous to Wisconsin losing Bielema to Arkansas.
From a conference perspective, MSU is one of those schools that has GOT to elevate itself if the conference is ever going to compete "top to bottom" with the SEC. The Big Ten needs it's "middle teir" teams, i.e. MSU, Iowa, (I can't believe I'm saying this... but) Northwestern, Illinois to get stronger if the league is ever going to develop the cache that brings consistent five stars to the top tier teams year in and year out. This notion that exists with many recruits now; that the SEC as whole is a higher level of competition week in and week out, and will therefore prepare you better (and more quickly) for the NFL, doesn't come solely from the success of Florida, Alabama and LSU. It's also largely a result of the (perceived?) success of South Carolina, Auburn, Georgia and Arkansas.
Arkansas needs an upgrade at HC so they go steal Wisconsin's coach. MSU needs an upgrade at OC and they hire... THIS GUY. I mean, not everyone can just go out and get an Urban Meyer or a Greg Mattison, but Jim Bollman?
|41 weeks 20 hours ago||ads blocking text...||
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|43 weeks 5 days ago||Gittleson||
Would have DESTROYED this kid. I'm not sure how the current staff "acts" about this kind of thing, but Gittleson would pound you into oblivion for simply wearing a red or green shirt in the building.
|45 weeks 2 hours ago||or...||
link to Patrick Stuart, who gave a rousing speech at the Big House at half time of the Indiana game on November 11, 2006 in which he commanded that we should go to Columbus and beat the Buckeyes and then proclaimed "make it so... NUMBER ONE!!" He then conducted the band.
...Then Bo died and we lost. But up till then it was awesome.
|45 weeks 2 hours ago||BAM.||
It all comes back to space. Bitches.
|45 weeks 2 hours ago||Still in all...||
I'm glad the guy isn't bitter and bashing Michigan and Rich Rod and everyone else... which he could be doing. Its nice to see that he isn't making excuses or pointing fingers and is just saying "it was a tough situation and I'm looking ahead." He's not being a Kiffin about it at least.
|45 weeks 2 days ago||Mike Elston||
Also would have been a dominant OLB in the mid-90's but a shoulder injury kept Jim out. He had all the tools. His injury and Scott Driesbach's are two that I wish I could just erase. Two great guys with great potential.
|45 weeks 2 days ago||Rasheed Simmons||
Guy was an absolute man/child specimen coming out of high school. His wingspan... My God... He would be sitting down with his hands on his knees and then stand up, and his hands were still on his knees. He was a prototype pass rusher who just couldn't put the mental aspects together. Kerwin Waldrop was another.
|45 weeks 2 days ago||Sort of reminds me||
Of Rawls run early last year. You're thinking "maybe this kid's got something," then... not so much...
|45 weeks 3 days ago||It wasn't Falk...||
It was just one of the usher type guys who is assigned to keep that area clear and credential people and what not. Falk is WAY too busy before games to be out greeting the other team. Besides, Jon Falk probably wouldn't be treated that way by any opposing coaches. He's well known throughout the country and is pretty much buddies with everyone (even though, or maybe because, he's the dirtiest, and funniest, old man you've ever met).
I've never met Dantonio myself, but the anecdotal evidence which supports his doucheholery is pretty substantial.
|46 weeks 3 days ago||Any open forum||
has it's share of overzealous posters and this one is no different. We overreact a ton around here, that's part of fandom. The percentage of "facepalm" comments here is certainly less than most places, and we have safeguards and a culture which usually prevents troll comments from turning into a flame war. That's what makes this site among the very few I go to. We're not MLive, or RCMB and that's a good thing. But we'll never stamp out people who live their life by the "ready, fire, aim" philosphy. And I'm glad we're a community that doesn't tolerate baseless accusations (things like "Hoke manages the roster specifically to force out certain players"). We don't stand for crap like that; not because you're being critical of a coach (god knows we're PERFECTLY FINE with that) but because its an asinine statement.
|46 weeks 3 days ago||This...||
...this just... it's like Swarbrick lost a bet with Barney Stinson or something.
|46 weeks 3 days ago||Not quite...||
I call it stretchgate because that's a generally accepted term for that incident. OSU's scandal is "Tattoo gate" and PSU's scandal is "The Jerry Sandusky thing." It's not a means of trivializing it, but, at least on this board, that's become one of the generally accepted monkers for it. I guess I could have said Freep Jihad, or "that thing where we got busted for practicing too much and not keeping very good records..." but I think "stretchgate" does the job.
Further, even the MSM thought that "stretchgate" was pretty trivial, and many thought that the OSU players exchanging trinkets for tattoos was "eh"... it was the Tressel lies that really caught everyone's attention. The point was that, in the world of "major college sports scandals" our incident was pretty tame by any objective standard, and yet the administration still expressed significant remorse and regret. OSU, in what was without a doubt a much bigger deal, stayed largely defiant until the criticizm was too much to overcome. Only THEN did they display any real contrition. ...and then, while the matter is still fresh on everyone's minds, Tressel gets invited back as a hero.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||I agree... to a degree...||
Watching the Bucks hoist Tressel up on their shoulders a few months ago, all I could think was "this would never happen at Michigan." Our culture is VASTLY different than theirs. We love winners, but we loathe embarrassment more.
Ohio State doesn't really seem to feel shame as keenly as we do. Just the way we reacted to stretch gate is evidence of that. OSU was defiant, and to this day cleary doesn't think that getting free services for memorabelia, or the head coach keeping mum about it, is that big of a deal. They merely point to Penn State and say "see! now THAT'S an issue. Our thing? Pft. That was nothing." Michigan could have done the same thing with the Freep Jihad. The athletic dept. could have gone all Allen Iverson and been like "We're talking about STRETCHING here guys!" But instead they immediately went to "a rule is a rule, we screwed up, we'll pay the price and learn from it." Two very different ways of doing things.
Now, I'm not making a judgement as to which position is "more correct" but there is certainly a difference. I mean, Gary Moeller had a few too many and got belligerant with the cops and we couldn't run him out of town fast enough; three straight Big Ten titles, a Heisman Trophy winner and a Rose Bowl win be damned. He was persona non grata for the better part of 15 years. Tressel was being HONORED AT HALF TIME within a year and a half.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||I'd frame the question differently...||
To me, the question isn't "are we sane?" it's "are we intellectually honest?" The answer, quite often, is "NO."
we say Bo never would have let Sandusky slide, but the same was thought of Paterno, which is why people defend him to this day. "The Joe I know would have never let Sandusky get away with that kind of thing if he knew about it!" That's what we think of Bo. Bo had the fortune of never having to face a sitution like this... so far as we know... so we really don't know with certainty what he would have done if something similar involving one of his most trusted assistants, say Moeller, or McCartney, or Hanlon, had occurred. He was a straight arrow, but he was also absolutely loyal.
Human beings are horribly flawed when it comes to logic and reason. Even now those who hate ND or just love to celebrate someone's downfall are digging in their heels about the fact that Te'o was in on the hoax from the get go. But if you look at the evidence that's coming out, it really is starting to look like Te'o was duped. Even my theories, that he was duped but played up the relationship way too much, seem to be off the mark.. and I'll admit that. Based upon what's coming out from Tuiasosopo, his acquaintances, and from Te'o himself, it does sound like Te'o thought she was real, cared deeply for her, embellished some things to cover up the "on line" nature of the relationship but, overall, really did get played. Never-the-less, those that hate "all things ND" will never give him the benefit of the doubt; just like Domers were behind him 100% even when the whole thing was looking very bad for him.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||but||
there's another, more plausible angle to that. He didn't visit her, EVER, on her deathbed or otherwise, not because he knew she didn't really exist, but because they really weren't that close. She was an internet friend/flirtation. They probably had some deep exchanges about life and god and religion on occassion, but he never visited her because she wasn't THAT important to him. She only became important when the "Star ND Player's Girlfriend Dies" story started increasing his visibility.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||*cough* *Cough*||
Manti: Seriously baby? Should I come out there? I mean, you don't sound so good.
Lennay: *cough* No, I'm fine, that's just the effects of the chemo and the fact that I'm in and out of a coma. And I'm still recovering from the car accident. *cough*
Manti: Ya. Okay. Damn, I wish I could have visited you back in the summer when the accident happened.
Lennay: No! No honey. *cough* It's okay, you were busy with, you know, all the stuff that's going on in South Bend in the summer and stuff. *cough* It's alright.
Manti: Okay, well, I gotta get to practice so that I can honor you by playing really good.
Lennay: Good. Now, you promise me Manti, if anything happens to me, you just keep playing your sport. *cough* Don't even think about coming here to try and lift my spirits or, if the worst should happen, coming to my funeral to pay your last respects to our undying love. I don't want you to miss any football practice on account of our devotion toward each other. I LOVE YOU!
Manti: You're the love of my life honey. I wouldn't dream of missing practice to be with you, since, you know, that's kind of your dying wish and all. I mean, I have to honor a dying wish, right?
Lennay: Right. God bless you Manti. You're a saint for not coming here to be with me. *cough*
Manti: Right. Well, off to practice!
|46 weeks 4 days ago||this||
only lends more credence to the theory that he was "playing up" the Lennay angle after the death, but wasn't really involved in some elaborate hoax that was, apparently, a year or more in the making. She went from "this chic I'm tight with on line" to "love of my life" after she "died" and the media ran with it.
If he wanted to perpetrate a hoax that he had this longstanding, deep, spiritual, meaningful relationship for months and months with some online girl, he wouldn't have been all over campus with various co-eds. "Lennay" didn't become important until she died, he dramatized its effect on him, and this caught the attention of the MSM. He then perpetuated it. Again, THEORY.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||People keep saying||
that he needs to justify "going on line" to get a woman... I think that's misplaced. He didn't meet this chick on the Mormon equivalent of J-date or E-harmony or something. The story is that they basically met over social media via mutual acquaintances and kept up with each other via twitter and what not. That's not the same as resorting to some kind of online dating service to "meet". The relationship was "online" in the sense that this is how they primarily communicated given the distance and her supposed medical situations, but this isn't the same as saying he "went" on line to meet women. Most of the under 25 set these days have a social circle comprised of "face to face" acquaintances and people they know in a strictly cyber context. That, in and of itself, isn't strange to me. Now, star athlete claiming an undying devotion to an online chick and not one of the flesh and blood girls that are throwing themselves at him on a daily basis? Yes, that I find less plausible. I think we'd all gravitate towards the flesh and blood co-ed you can actually spoon over some cyber hottie that apparently only has three pictures of herself.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Not sure how you can be so certain||
without having some personal involvement. The "information" we have can be be interpreted a few ways.
Now me, I have my own theories, but I'm not positive about anything at this point. If Tuiasosopo comes out and fully admits to everything, says everything Manti is claiming is true, that he did fully dupe him, that they did have an intimate cyber relationship all under the guise that he was a girl, that they did exchange words of love and devotion and committment, then, I'm sorry but Te'o walks away fairly clean in my book. I'm not going to start screaming "coersion!" without proof of it just because it doesn't comport with what I may WANT the story to be.
Now, I don't see it happening quite this cleanly, of course, but I remain open to the possibility. It seems clear, right now at least, that Te'o is guilty of embelishing the relationship and perhaps exploiting the situation... but I'm not absolutely "convinced" of any one answer. Most of the evidence that people are pointing to to claim that he was "in on" the hoax is actually just evidence that he was exaggerating the depth of the relationship. Those are not one in the same (although they may be equally bad).
|46 weeks 4 days ago||It's not pointless...||
It adds to the narrative and has to be considered in light of everything else we know. You don't just discount the uncle and the friend because it doesn't fit into the story you're already convinced of.
We don't know the truth, but things are coming out from all sorts of places. Te'o and Tuiasosopo are the main people everyone wants to hear from, but the key players are usually last to talk, they have the most at stake and their heads are probably spinning.
I have my theories, but I'm also willing to accept that the truth could run the gammut, from he's totally neive and was completely in love with this fictitious person and was completely duped, to he was in on it from the beginning and it was all a publicity scam. I have enough life experience to know, however, that the truth most likely is between those extremes. Regardless, the story coming from Tuiasosopo's acquaintance shouldn't be summarily dismissed... not at this stage. Now, the guy in Az. who said he'd actually met Lennay, yeah... I think we can file that away in the "you're clueless" bin.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Because||
way too many people who know him have said he's not. He's social, he likes attention, he has no problem with drawing the attention of women and paying attention to them. In his interviews he doesn't come accros as socially awkward or shy at all. He's reserved in an interview, but there is nothing out there that leads us to the conclusion that, when it comes to socializing with peers, he isn't at least on par with the average mega watt star college athlete. It's exceedingly rare for high profile athletes who are at the top of their game to not have the ego and confidence to match. It happens on occassion (say Ricky Williams) but he freely gave a ton of interviews about his life and spoke freely at a hundred awards shows. He's not a social introvert.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||TRUTH?!||
Thy name is Dilithium.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||It just adds up so nicely...||
doesn't it? It's the scenario that makes the most senes at this point. She was one of probably several flirtations Te'o had, some in-person, some cyber. Given Tuiasosopo's apparent religious background he (playing Lenaay) and Manti probably had a ton of "God is great" talks, and bonded over that. He probably considered her a confidant and good friend and someone he'd love to eventually explore something more with if they could get their schedules to work and, you know, she doesn't DIE. Then, low and behold, she dies. Now, this upsets him, maybe he plays it up, word gets out, he likes the attention, he "tweaks" a few facts here and there to make it more compelling and less embarrasing (it was only an online relationship after all), then ND makes a run at the national championship and his harmless story has taken on a life of its own. He's convinced it'll die down until it turns out the whole thing was a hoax and some reporters from deadspin are poking around. OH CRAP. Someone got more than they bargained for.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Yes||
The questions for Te'o are only beginning. He acted as though he and this Lenaay bonded over hours and hours of communication. It's not plausible to me that Tuiasosopo spent HOURS perpetrating this hoax to the point that he had somehow gotten Te'o to fall in love with this girl he created. NO WAY. Teammates have already said the same thing; that this girl was hardly anything until she died, THEN all of the sudden she was this big thing to him. Clearly, most of what made this story compelling, beyond the death itself, were fabrications by Manti.
People keep making the comparison to the Catfish documentary but there are a lot of distinctions there. The guy in Catfish was certainly becoming very "interested" in the girl duping him, but he started putting the truth together long before he fell in love with her. He also wasn't a high profile athlete with any number of women at his beck and call. I just don't buy that a guy in Manti Te'o's position in life falls head over heals in love with a girl he's never met in person. Regular schmos might "fall in love" with any chic who looks that good and pays attention to them on-line, but Te'o is no regular schmo. I'm sure he cared for Lenaay on some level, but the reality is that he mostly exploited her story and it backfired on him.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||I take door number two||
Three isn't plausible to me because, if he knew Lenaay was fake well before she died he wouldn't have carried on with the Twitter flirts with a DUDE for another year, and wouldn't have let the dead girlfriend narrative get out of control like he did. It's one thing to make up interractions to the media that occurred with a girl who is dead and therefore cannot verify them; its another to make shit up about a girl who was invented by a guy, who you know, and who could bust you at any time. I don't buy that. I think he exploited what he thought was a real death, and THEN found out she wasn't real.
And then he went "DOH!"
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Bunk||
Te'o himself, via Swarbrick, has already said it was exclusively an internet relationship and they never actually met in person...
...which contradicts things he said before, yes... which leads me to believe he was exagerating before about the relationship when he thought Lenaay had been a real girl, and is trying to back off those statement now that it turns out she was an invention of some guy he knows.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Te'o isn't off the hook at all||
Once Tuiaososopo takes "the fall" he's going to start talking and we'll find out that he was duping a few people, Te'o among them, but that there were no 8 hour phone calls, and, frankly, nothing really all that "intimate" between his Lenaay persona and Te'o at all. He'll probably end up saying that he knew he would eventually have to end the charade, so he invented the lukemia angle and, eventually, killed her off, thinking that would be the end of it. He'll say he was just as shocked as anyone when, all of the sudden, Te'o started saying that this invented internet girl was the love his life, and started talking about a bunch of things that obviously never happened. But what was Tuiasosopo supposed to do? Come clean and admit what he'd been doing and embarrass his friend and the poster boy for ND football? So he stayed quiet... then ND makes the championship game, the narrative is WAY out of control, and HE somehow gets word to Te'o that it was all a put on, trying to get him to shut up about it, not knowing that Deadspin was already all over it.
If it goes down like this, Te'o will have some serious 'splanin to do.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||exactly||
I think my theory has a pretty good chance of being close to the reality... but I'd rather he was just in on it from the beginning too. Makes the whole thing more simple and more delicious.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||Well...||
it does lend some credibility to the fact that this Tuiasosopo is the guy behind it all and Te'o didn't know. Again, to me, there needs to be more focus on the idea that Te'o overplayed this relationship and allowed it to blow up. If he basically exploited the memory of (what he thought was) a dead girl for publicity and sympathy, that seems to me to be worse then the whole thing being a sham to begin with.
In my opinion, that's the ultimate cummupance. You exagerated the death of a girl you were barely acquainted with into some kind of "ultimate personal tragedy" and it turns out she was F'n fake!! WOW. That's poetry.
|46 weeks 4 days ago||I think...||
this is just a case where the AD and a few other "higher ups" knew that the Te'o girlfriend thing was a hoax, but they were keeping it under wraps and the PR arm wasn't aware. These days, major colleges have PR guys that have a lot of discretion in terms of drumming up press, so the fact that the PR people might not have said anything to Swarbrick might not be that strange. It might be a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand knows. 20 years ago this probably wouldn't have happened because the AD would probably clear a PR trip to New York and would have put the kibosh on it. Now a days, this may not be something they even run by the AD. Just a guess...
|46 weeks 4 days ago||at this point...||
I think its very possible he wasn't "in on it" but was guilty of taking what he knew to be a small Twitter flirtation and playing it up 1000 fold. As I posted in one of the other threads, its entirely possible that he didn't know he was being duped but when the girl "died" he over dramatized it to those around him, not realizing that the media would become tipped off and start asking about "the girlfriend that died." At that point he elected to not come clean, and played the matter up, figuring he'd get some milage out of it from the MSM before it fell off the radar. As unexpected momentum built, he did so many interviews about the topic that he had to come up with "new material," so he invented late night phone calls that never happened, a "first meeting" in Palo Alto that never happened, visits to Hawaii that he told his family about (who then relayed them to the media) that never happened and so on... I'm sure the "shocking" Dec. 6 phone call from "the perpetrator" never happened either. There was no girl, just Tuiasosopo, some picks of a hot girl he obtained and some Tweets/messaging. The whole Dec. 6 call "from a girl I thought was dead" is another fabrication; it was Te'o's way of trying to come clean with the least amount of egg on his face.
At some point he must have figured out he was being messed with, and may have even heard whispers that journalists were investigating this "girl friend" of his. In a panic he took the matter to the school and together they went into damage control (which apparently means do nothing until forced to, then have the AD cry). Notre Dame administrators know he was embelishing, so part of damage control is to try and keep the focus on the fact that he had been tricked and draw attention away from the fact that this only happened because Te'o took a benign Twitter flirtation and tried to spin it into Love Story.
Now he's stuck: he's being accused of being "in on" the hoax, but the only way to prove he wasn't would be to admit that he embellished everything to begin with which, frankly, might be just as bad.
("Love means never having to say you're sorry!")
|46 weeks 5 days ago||I think it was||
"These refs suck!" "These refs suck!"
|46 weeks 6 days ago||wow||
some of you are coming to the party late.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Man...||
First the Fat Boys break up, now this.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||and yes...||
his draft stock will plumet... but no one in the NFL will say its because of the "gay thing," they'll claim that its simply "character issues."
|46 weeks 6 days ago||If he cracks...||
under the pressure though, it won't matter. Sure he'd probably rather perpetuate the narrative that he's just a "regular" straight dude who got duped by an on-line pretty face, but all of the holes in this story line are being pointed out ad nauseum. If he cracks, he won't have a choice but to come out and then the MSM will flip the script for him, making him the victim. It'll just happen.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Otherwise...||
It's a story that none of us can buy. If he's straight, and has the same thoughts and urges as the rest of us "red blooded straight dudes", but with the access to basically any hot co-ed of his choosing, there is simply NO WAY he instead chooses to go for the Weird Science "nah, I got a girl in Canada man!" line. But, having said that:
I'll concede that it's PLAUSIBLE (but hard to believe) that he was keeping up an on-line relationship with some girl on the internet while also nailing the occassional co-ed, with no reason to suspect he was being duped by his on-line girl (who isn't much of a thing at this point anyhow), and then the perpetrator hits him with the cancer thing (to have an out because the ruse is getting too hard to keep up).
This tugs at Te'o's heart strings and he begins to think of the on-line girl as more than just a "casual chat" thing... then the "death," then the media picks up on this "wonderful story of heartbreak and perseverance," and now he feels like a chump because they really weren't THAT close, but, whatever, the added attention is coming at just the right time, and he DOES feel bad, plus he did just lose his grandma too. He starts adding some back story, because at this point he still believes she was real but feels kind of dumb that it really wasn't as big of a relationship as the media clearly expects; maybe tells people he talked to her on the phone when he never really did, comes up with a nice "first meeting" story... etc. At some point he tells his family some things about her which they re-quote to the media, more of his surrounding group embellish a few other details to make the story even more sweet and heartbreaking (no real harm intended)... and Voila! The story takes on a life of its own, the MSM runs off the cliff with it. Then, WORST NIGHTMARE TIME; it was all a hoax perpetrated by some acquaintance who is secretly in love with you.
That's about the only plausible "non-gay" explanation that would make me go... "okay, well, I get it I guess. He wasn't 'in on' the hoax and is sort of a victim of the perpetrator, plus the MSM, plus expectations and he allowed a few little lies to spin out of control."
Otherwise, SCREW THIS GUY.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Here's how it goes down...||
IF, and I stress "IF", the whole "cover up for being gay" thing is the truth, it's the only card he's got left to play. Eventually, as the evidence mounts and the questions are asked, he'll crack and come out of the closet and the narrative will become "homophobia among athletes and religous upbringing forced Te'o to perpetuate hoax that spiralled out of control." He'll get to play the part of a desperate victim of homophobia and circumstance that led him to make what he initially thought was an innocent "cover up" but spiraled into a nightmare.
|48 weeks 4 hours ago||Mike Tyson.||
"Oblivion" becoming "Bolivia" is courtesy of Mike Tyson. ...and his pidgeons.
|50 weeks 2 days ago||Jesus you guys...||
It was a thread title that was too vague, otherwise the content was fine. Just help the guy out by informing him that his thread titles need to be more specific and move on.
|51 weeks 4 days ago||It matters little...||
Norlfeet looks like a career returner to me, not much more. They can switch him to Nose Guard for all I care, he's going to be behind many others at RB, Corner, Receiver, Safety... He was a flier as a recruit whose worked out well in a special teams role. He's a good little returner, but I never saw him playing meaningful minutes on O or D anyway. RB makes the most sense as his "position" given his skills and the team's depth there, but honestly, which group he practices with every day is of minimal concern to me.
|1 year 4 days ago||They already do this:||
Every sport does. Waivers are meaningless in situations involving gross negligence or failure to release information or failure to take reasonable steps to avoid unnecessary injury. The rub is: where is the line for "negligence?" What are "reasonable and necessary" steps? It's not as simple as "have them sign a waiver." You can't waive your right to be "reasonably" protected from harm.
|1 year 4 days ago||Yes.||
And when you play Detroit you should be facing 11 REAL Lions, and be wrapped in bacon. We'd finally win a Super Bowl!
|1 year 4 days ago||The change will come||
Like it or not, it will happen. If the league doesn't take proactive steps now it will be forced on them. At the current rate it is only a matter of time before a player dies on the field... Flat out, on national TV, dies. It'll be some type of Daydrion Taylor/Bob Stevenson kind of thing, only they'll both weigh 255 and run 4.5 40's and collide head to head and one of them will die after going into gruesome convulsions; while millions watch. A public debate will occur, all the mainstream news organizations will join in, congress will feel compelled to threaten involvement and the game will be forced into some major changes to survive. So, make gradual controlled modifications now or risk drastic overhauls later by an outside force after the unthinkable (inevitable?) happens.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||If I had a nickel||
For every time an announcer proclaims that a State player just committed a "boneheaded" play that is "contrary to the way Coach Dantonio coaches the game"... At some point it becomes indicative of the coach, doesn't it?
|1 year 10 weeks ago||AGAIN...||
You either participate in an understood, equal game tape swap or you don't. It's that simple. Virtually every team willingly swaps tape, and the various leagues encourage it because football is a much more entertaining game when you've got good scouting; and nothing beats the team's own GAME tapes. You're not giving them your PRACTICE tapes, just your GAME tapes.
If OSU unveiled a new wrinkle today against MSU that was not in any of the games they agreed to swap, then yes, there is no complaint there. But you can't deliberately edit out plays/sequences from the GAME tapes that you agreed to share. If MSU gave them two views of every play of every game they've played so far this year while OSU deliberately edited out all of their zone reads, or whatever, that's an issue. Game tape swaping is important but it works on an honor system, obvsly, if that starts to erode on a large scale the entertainment value of the games erode with it.
I don't understand why people are having such a hard time with this. If a team doesn't want to share game tape that's their perrogative (it happens only rarely though, pretty much every coach agrees that full disclosure from both sides is better than no disclosure from either) but once you agree on an exchange you can't mess with shit.. well, you "can" but there may be a price to pay if you get caught... it would be akin to tapping into the other teams head phones and listening in on their playcalls. If you get away with it fine, but if you get caught...
|1 year 10 weeks ago||Not the same...||
If you read the UFR's you know that Brian makes this complaint all the time, the networks are terrible at giving you the whole picture. They zoom up too close, come back from commercial break too late, follow the running back when the quarter back kept the ball... all kinds of things. The network feeds are terrible for breaking down an opponent. These double view wide angles are ideal. I wish Brian could get his hands on these tapes, a whole new UFR world would open up to us. He'd be able to evaluate our corner's on run plays, see how good our receivers block on the opposite side of the play, all kinds of things. DVRing the ABC broadcast is worth less than half of the game footage you swap with your opponent. That's why virtually every team gives it and gets it very openly and freely.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||he might have...||
who knows... he may have said something to OSU bofore hand and nothing happened, they may have some explanation, maybe it's only just now making it's way to the press. A coach is not going to hold a press conference BEFORE the game to announce that the oppenent is playing fast and loose with game tape, but after the game, and after a loss, sure, he'll mention it then... plus, that's kind of Dantonio's style. "I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'." Hoke probably would let it go and deal with it coach to coach with no mention of it to the press. Dantonio, as we know, has "his own way" of dealing with things.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||yes||
if you're "practicing" things only, and haven't pulled it out for a game, then it's something you're holding back and there wouldn't be any disclosure of it, but that's different than GAME footage. If you've used it in a game and you've agreed to provide an opponent with your footage of that game, you can't edit out certain things. It's an all or nothing deal... and it's dumb to even try. GA's will review the TV footage too, along with the tape the oppenent sends. They'll notice when they're missing things.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||tape exchange||
Here's the deal... every team records all of their games from the end zone and press box,high, wide, whole field views. They then edit every play together so that you see each play twice, once from each angle. The general understanding is that a week or so ahead of time the opponents will swap specific, COMPLETE game footage with each other. You can negotiate it a bit too, they might agree to swap just the last game, or maybe the last three games, the whole season, etc...
This really is kind of a big deal; you're not supposed to mess around with these tapes. The product on the field improves tremendously with scouting, for both teams, but you'll have a real problem if teams start messing with their footage to gain an advantage. It will lead to never being able to trust what you're getting and retaliation stuff ("oh, well they didn't give us shifts and motions last year, so we're not going to show them any of our zone blitz schemes this year!" "well then we're not giving you ANY tape!" "well then we'll get tape of you from Penn State!" "if Penn State gives you our tape we won't exchange tape with them!" on and on) which is, frankly bad for the on-field product. This is something MSU can and SHOULD complain about to the league, IF it actually happened.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||If Hoke handles it||
If Hoke handles it the way Carr did, walk-ons will be offered walk-on spots after they reach out to the program and express an interest. Their film will be evaluated and then, if "they've got something" they might be extended a walk-on invite. Some times the program would reach out to certain kids to fill walk on spots, usually for kickers and long-snappers and the like, but for the most part the player initiated the contact and then the coaches decided based upon what they saw.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||He could throw 110 mph!!||
He could throw 110 mph!!
|1 year 13 weeks ago||I have 4 seats in the front row of Section 12||
Which is right where the pole for the field goal net is, south endzone "ROW A". For my money, these are the best Non-PSL seats in the house. You're 6 feet above the playing field, so people standing around the perimeter of the field don't block your view, you get a better perspective of the game from behind the lines (as opposed to the side-on TV view) and plays in that end zone are "right there." When the action heads to the other side it gets a little less compelling, but the nice new score boards alleviate that somewhat.
What makes up for it is the fact that we we're front and center for Tate's TD run against ND, Roundtree's catch last year, Denard's fumble pick up and run in (which my wife got a GREAT shot of with just her iPhone), Manningham's catch against Penn State, Chris Perry's TD in OT... AWESOME. OTOH, Braylonfest basically took place on the entire opposite end from us.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||This is excellent news...||
Glad to hear that he'll get time to get everything back up to speed.
On a side note: why does it look like that newscast was recorded in a trailer park rental office?
|1 year 14 weeks ago||edit. two different||
edit. two different assaults.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||I don't know...||
you can never really get inside the collective "heads" of the people who answer these polls, but from a certain perspective the results make sense. Tressel did a lot to ingratiate himself with Buckeye fans, and that wasn't all washed away by the stuff that went down (which is an understatement given the lengths people went to defend him). By the same token, while they may maintain a more "favorable" opinion of him overal versus Meyer, given what happened I can see where they would say that, at this point, they'd rather have Meyer coaching the team. These seem like somewhat incongruous results at first glance, but its not totally out of whack.
|1 year 16 weeks ago||Along these lines||
there's a notable article on Urban at the WWL:
mostly anecdotal nonsense about how coaches who have won NC's at one school usually don't duplicate the effort at another (exception, Saban)... but the more interesting part is Meyer's basic admission that he wasn't able to compile the coaching staff he may have otherwise preferred, including Coach Mattison. Must be a real vote of confidence for Fickell and Withers to know that the D-coordinator at the arch rival would have been the head man's first choice.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||therein lies the point...||
the point isn't that my hypothetical is perfect... or akin to what happened at PSU. The point is that now that they've opened this box they're going to have a hell of a time closing it. Don't like the hypothetical I gave? Fine, use a different one. The point is that there are going to be a lot of gray moral matters and schools screaming "where's the NCAA now?!" And those calls will be lead by Penn State.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||no doubt!||
...but by changing the hypothetical you're making the judgement call easier. The point is to illustrate the less obvious calls. With this decision, the NCAA has opened themselves up to criticism everytime a "moral" situation arises. 10 years of drunk driving and killing people is easy, most scenarious won't be.
Take the Patrino situation... should the NCAA have stepped in there? Head coach having an affair with an employee and lying about it, then attempting to cover it up? Can you hold the school responsible for what JUST the head coach does? What's the minimum on how many people have to be involved before you can hold the entire institution responsible? In the PSU situation it was four; factoring in their relative positions within the institution itself. If I'm the NCAA I don't even open this door.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||They're using a general catchall here||
The problem I have is that any organization can throw in a "rule" or "policy" regarding carrying yourself with integrity, maintaing an ethical environment and it means nothing without precedent. The link to this being a "competative advantage" is tenuous, which is why they didn't go with that I'm sure. To assert that by hiding the situation they avoided the damage which would have come by exposing it and therefore gained a competative advantage is turning the notion of competative advantage on its head. Hiding the matter maintained the status quo, it didn't enhance their ability to compete vis a vis other schools. One could argue the point, but that's a stretch.
What bothers me is the same thing that Brian has touched upon; this was largely a LEGAL situation which the law stepped in and handled. The NCAA, to me, is supposed to regulate things that cannot (necessarily) be governed by laws, competative advantage issues first and foremost. There is no "law" against getting free tatoos, therefore the NCAA enforces a rule about extra benefits. The precedent here, though, may open up a can of worms the NCAA does not want to tackle. You can envision an infinite number of "morality" scenarios that begin to creep towards being near the level of "the Penn State issue" and there will be a lot of chain rattling about this decision.
For instance... an assistant coach gets nailed for DUI but the press doesn't pick up on it. He confesses to the head coach he has a bit of a drinking problem, but the head coach, not wanting to embarrass the coach (or the program) simply tells the guy to get some help and make sure nothing like this happens again. It's forgotten until a year later when, drunk, the assistant coach kills a family of 4 on the road. Then it comes about about the prior DUI, but that the coach wasn't disciplined, that the school essentially "covered it up" and there was no follow up regarding the coach seeking treatment. Prior to the Penn State incident I would have never believed that this would be a situation where the NCAA would feel the need to step in. Now? Who knows. In that instance you better believe Penn State would be there demanding a pound of flesh (much like USC did when OSU was on the hotseat). This is just one hypothetical along the "gray area" spectrum that you can envision. Under this broad guise of comporting the program with "integrity" and all that, how does the NCAA draw the line. We now have the PSU situation as the one extreme (hopefully!), and we can envision the other extreme. But it seems to me there is a lot of unknown in the middle.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Seems like||
Seems like the quote from the ISU folks only cements the fact that the UM team is the benchmark they're striving for. There's a hint of "smack" there but also a srong acknowledgement that when you're "neck and neck" with Michigan you're really accomplishing something that "getting noticed by Michigan" is a great thing. At least that's how I read it...
|1 year 21 weeks ago||yes he did...||
I just watched the whole game, Brent Musburger definitely was the play by play guy for this '99 game... but there was nothing about Brandon Short, his dad or being tough because of a dad with no legs, so I don't know what I'm remembering.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||ya...||
you know, at first I was going to disagree with you, that this game in 1999 has nothing to do with the Freeh report and all of that, but I'm sitting here watching the game and seeing the signs for Sandusky (it was his last home game):
"THANKS JERRY, YOU ARE PENN STATE"
"WE WILL MISS YOU COACH SANDUSKY"
and hearing the announcers discuss how he's leaving the profession to concentrate on his Second-Mile charity "that he's so fond of..." and, ya, I am starting to get queasy.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||My most vivid memory from this game...||
may not have even happened. I can never seem to find it when I review the game tape but I remember Musberger talking a lot about Brandon Short and how his father was a double amputee and how hard his childhood was... and then at one point, I SWEAR, he busted out with "That's Brandon Short. He's a tough guy. Of course, you'd be tough too if you grew up with a dad who had no legs."
Maybe I just assumed Musberger would say something like that...
|1 year 23 weeks ago||Since when||
did the Flint Tropics become a baseball team?
|1 year 23 weeks ago||I'm always amazed to see Big Johnny Falk||
I'm always amazed to see Big Johnny Falk in these interview type things, he acts so... NORMAL. In "real life" This guy is CRAZY! Like wildly inappropriate, hillariously, certifiably crazy. His "character" around the football building and when interacting with staff and players is almost indescribably nuts. Ahhhh.... I miss Big Johnny. What a riot.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||ugh.||
Man. Tough to see the last of the earliest "legends" of my childhood fade away. Circle of life kind of thing.
Growing up in the 80's the "old timers" did nothing but talk about the likes of Kramer and Heston and Chappuis, the Wisterts and Elroy Hirsch; while my dad went on and on about guys like Reggie Mckenzie, Dan Dierdorf and Jim Mandich. Now I relate stories of Harbaugh, Jamie Morris, Desmond and Erick Anderson. My kids will tell their kids about Denard and Shane Morris... and on it goes. BLUE.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||There is a difference||
between saying "he was home schooled because he couldn't handle acadmics" and "people are home schooled because they can't handle academics." Don't create a controversy where there isn't one.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Sci-fi readings||
I remember my last semeseter of my senior year, '96, taking a sci-fi works exploration type class... may have been Professor Rabkin... had to read a book a week and write a few "insightful" pages on it. LOVED that class. Martin Chronicles, Left Hand of Darkness, War with the Newts, A Canticle for Leibowitz, Frankenstein, The Futurological Congress, on and on. Cemented my love for the origins of science fiction and for authors like Ray Bradbury. Sad day.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Kills me||
Kills me how a guy can inherit a 2-0 lead, blow it, get bailed out by his Offense and HE gets the win over the guy that pitched 8 scoreless innings of 2 hit ball. Can't really score it any other way, but MAN does that not pass the smell test...
|1 year 36 weeks ago||both guys||
Buck i Guy and Big Nuts sat one section over from me at last year's Ohio game. Frankly, they were nice guys. Said only positive things about their team, not obnoxious (other than the way they are dressed) and gladly posed for several pictures with Michigan fans. They add "flavor" to the rivalry, and I was relieved to find them personable and respectful of Michigan. They were definitely the most "positive" Buckeyes around us that day.
|1 year 39 weeks ago||Reviewing the past...||
Man, we sure changed our tune on this whole thing once the Milano got to tell his side of the story.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||That's tough.||
If they get on the surgery and rehab now, hopefully he's back for a significant portion of next year. MSU has all kinds of depth though, they'll always be alright. Tough for the kid though. Instead of a summer of working on your game, you get a summer of rehab... or, as some say, working on the "mental" aspects of the game.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Well, apparently it is "that FUCKING hard"||
Don't be a turd...
Read the article... better yet, read the published report from the UM team.
The Election WAS web based and used far more sophisticated protections then just 128-bit encryption, and it was still a piece of cake for these guys. It didn't work... not because "the gomment" is a bunch of morons, it didn't work because it really CAN'T work. That's the message.
They make the point that while it is easy to detect money and other e-commerce issues quickly and effectively respond to them, it's a much different story with a one time event, like an election where ballots are simply cast and tabulated. There is no "trail" of currency moving through accounts to track and no effective manner of monitoring unusual occurrances to trace. That's the problem. e-commerce to e-voting is apples and oranges.
These are clearly very skilled engineers and their whole POINT was that it IS nearly impossible to do secure electronic voting. It doesn't matter if it's "the fucking government" who is running it or not; according to these people secure e-voting is DECADES away, if it's ever truly possible.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||info||
I do know that Antonio got his degree, got a "great job" in Baltimore and is living out there. He'll be back this year for his brother's graduation. I guess his brother plays a little football as well.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||For those wondering about Antonio Bass||
Through a mutual friend I know that Antonio is doing quite well, working out in Baltimore. Has a younger brother garduating from Lumen Christi this year.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Heaven forbid...||
anyone use a sports message board on a sports blog in order to pass away the time in the off season by shooting the breeze about "what ifs" and whatnot.
You're all taking up valuable bandwidth with this pointless rehashing.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||all I know...||
is that if Brewster was saying this stuff aboult Molk, the entire board would be calling him an ass and telling him to keep his mouth shut.
Those other guys have tangibles they could point to as reasons why they should be drafted higher than Molk, but if they started pointing that out, and talking about how the Rimington doesn't mean shit, we'd all be like "WHATEVA! WHATEVA!! You're just jealous!! (I do what I want!)"
We're biased, fine, given; but a little intellectual honesty wouldn't hurt us.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||"Schanski was NOT to be denied..."||
Awesome to see my boy Tate get that last score. Go Perry Ramblers!
|1 year 41 weeks ago||"Old barns"||
I got into it with some old bitty at Yost last year about that. She was sitting behind me making all kinds of comments about how she'd heard so much about the "atmosphere" at Yost but was completely unimpressed. I ignored her after the first three or four comments, but then had to turn around and politely explain to her that the students were on break and the band was from Howell High School and they were being kind enough to fill in. She then started musing about how, with "Michigan being Michigan" we should rip the place down and build something new and grand. I said that "Michigan being Michigan" meant that we'd probably like to hang on to things that are unique and that this was a special old style hockey venue. The lady then says "this is nothing compared to the Kohl Center!" At which point my wife and I stood up, turned around and said "Ya! If you like watching hockey in a fucking basketball arena!"
She didn't come back after the first intermission.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||reminds me...||
of the Vomit Comet rides back to North Campus.
|1 year 41 weeks ago||Only one answer||
M/OSU in football is a national cultural event. Nothing we have with any other school, in any other sport, transends that. Very few sports teams, college or pro, have a rivalry that has reached yearly "event" status. Yankees/Red Sox, Texas/Oklahoma, Duke/North Carolina, Habs/Leafs... there aren't that many. Once an organization has one of these (and most don't), that's it. From a national perception perspective, that rivalry outstrips anything else.
Nothing MSU ever does against Michigan, in any sport, will ever eclipse M/OSU football... especially not in today's landscape with divisions, championship games, tournaments and the like. M/OSU football was built on decades of "the winner of this game goes to the Rose Bowl." M/MSU can't face each other in the B1G championship game (in football) and there is too much parity these days to expect it. The window for cementing a "transending cultural event" type rivalry may have closed.
Plus, there is simply no reason to believe it could occur with MSU given that there is no history of sustained "elite" success for MSU. They're on a good 15 year run right now in basketball, but I don't see them being mentioned in the same breath as Kentucky 20 years from now. And their "sustained success" has to conincide with "sustained success" on our end. Had we kept up our end in the court post Fab-Five, who knows? We could have a great B-ball rivalry going then... but it still wouldn't be "The Game."
|1 year 42 weeks ago||My hope for the future||
I just hope we keep days like yesterday in mind when we hit our first "bump" in the road; and this being life, there will be a bump in the road. My hope is that should we, for example, get beat soundly by Alabama and win only 8 games next year, the "smart" fans will still outnumber the bandwaggoners and we'll all keep the faith. Eventually we'll need to draw on great days like this to keep positive about Hoke and crew when we have our next "ARRRRGH! What was that call Borgess?!??!" day.
As beyond awesome as yesterday was, I just know the boards are going to light up with negativity at the first sign of trouble. Hopefully the level headed, more intellectually honest types on the board will remember this day and remind the masses that we have to take the bad with the good and remain confident that the latter will outnumber the former. M Football is on an upward trajectory, but dips are going to happen as we trend upwards.
I've been on a recent kick of reading old Mgo posts, and I'm currently looking at our honeymoon phase with the RR hire when we were all enamored with how "awesome" his philosophies were and how "amazingly open" he and his staff was, and all I kept thinking was "man how quickly it can all change" when the wins and losses don't meet expectations.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Love this. Good stuff. I||
Love this. Good stuff.
I think you meant "...having Denard Robinson (and Forcier before him)..." not "Feagin." That threw me off for a sec... I was all like "wha?" then I was like "no..." then I was like "oh...".
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Sweet is starting?||
That must be tough on Blanchard.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||BK as M coach...||
Actually, after Coach Carr stepped down, when it appeared as though the "Les Miles to Michigan" train had been derailed for the second (or maybe third) time, several on this blog, including Brian Cook himself, were advocating that Kelly get more consideration for the job. Many posters were baffled that names like Ferentz and Shiano and *gasp* Brady Hoke were being bandied about while BK, fresh off of revitalizing CMU and restoring the glory at Cincy was getting no love.
Brian (Cook) mentioned at one point that he'd heard through sources that BK wasn't being considered because many within the AD's office thought he was a hothead and a jerk. the Mgoblog community, by and large, dismissed the talk, noting that Bo was a hothead too and turned out to be, well, everything we want in a coach.
Now, of course, we've all learned what the administration apparently already knew five years ago; Brian Kelly is an assbag.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||When making a color comparison...||
we also need to keep in mind how misleading photos are. I recall someone showing two different pictures of Jim Harbaugh in action a while back, both from the same game; in one he looked like a Michigan player, in the other he looked like he was wearing a Delaware uniform with shades of West Virginia.
The Maize has "drifted" a bit though, but not as bad as Sparty's green! I had the pleasure of taking in the B1G championship game and I swear to god you couldn't find two MSU fans sporting the same shade of green in the entire venue.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||My how things change...||
Brian's comments at the time he wrote them were dead on. Now we're basking in the glow of an 11 win season and a BCS win with... BRADY HOKE?!? at the helm. Time, you are a fickle mistress...
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Ha...||
his coach is a Buckeye but his last name is Blue. Serves him right.
|1 year 49 weeks ago||I recall a time...||
when mgoblog had as much Pistons content and as any blog out there. Back when Brian started this thing he discussed the Pistons almost as much as he lamented the Jim Hermann defense and punting on 4th and 4 from the 38.
Seems like only yesterday... *reminisce*...
|1 year 51 weeks ago||Loeffler and Hoke...||
would have first crossed paths when Loeffler was a player on the team. Scott then became a GA when Brady became the full D-Line coach in '98. Loeffler came back to Michigan in 2002 as QB coach when Hoke was promoted to associate head coach. So yes, they would be familiar with each other.
|1 year 51 weeks ago||booing happens||
Every team gets boo'd from time to time. In Michigan Stadium, 90% of the time, its because the offense didn't try to scoreright at the end of the half. Everyone has their own justifications for joining in on it. I think most would say they're booing certain play calls or coaching decisions (if not the coaches themselves) or they're booing what would appear to be a lack of effort (which is rare). Other times you hear the boo birds is when we have several things go wrong in quick succession; like a bad 3 and out, followed by a crap punt, followed by our D giving up a TD in one play, followed by muffing the kick-off... THAT type of thing can bring out enough boos that soon, many fans join in, but the sense (at least for me) is that they're booing the apparent lack of focus not insinuating that the players don't care or don't work hard enough.
I don't recall a time where I sat in the stands, personally felt like the kids we're playing their tails off, and were STILL getting boo'd. At least not recently. Some boos were of the "this is UMass! They have no business being IN this game! What the hell Dick Rod!?!" variety.
As an example, the one time I recall hearing some "WTF?!" booing was the 1992 Illinois game. That Michigan team was a juggernaut and the Illini we're "meh." Should have been destroying them, but the conditions were miserable and our backs couldn't hang on to the ball to save their life. The team, up to that point, had been crushing most everyone they played, so the fans were dismayed at the apparent ineptitude all-of-the-sudden. I just remember thinking "these guys have been busting their ASSES this year, they're undefeated (with one tie to ND) and you're booing them at the half in the middle of a rain storm?" I don't recall THIS kind of thing during the RR tenure, myself.
|1 year 52 weeks ago||My only thing was||
I couldn't figure out why he was bagging on"Cherry" Coke so much. That stuff's stood the test of time sells just fine. Then I realized he meant "New" Coke... then the analogy hit me. I didn't pay attention much after that, kept wondering how he could use that comparison as the main thrust of his analogy and not realize that he wasn't even referring to the right product.
|1 year 52 weeks ago||That O line...||
That O-line just MAULED defensive fronts. May have been the best stable of backs Michigan ever had at one time; Jesse Johnson, Ricky Powers, Ed Davis, plus a young Wheatley. Legette was outstanding too. And HELLO! Cornflakes Brown!!!
|2 years 1 week ago||They weren't the most "informed" bunch||
notice when they were taling about the hockey team she said they'd been a force "in the Big Ten" for decades... and during the football game he mentioned "117,000" fans, or something to that effect. Not all that galling or anything, just makes you go "uhhhh... NO." The ESPNU crew was better, and they had NIKI NOTO!!!
|2 years 34 weeks ago||Early 90's Angry OLB Hating God||
the rumor going around with Trevor Pryce had something to do with "finding" someone else's cell phone (back when they were expensive to use) and racking up quite a bill on it, or perhaps a credit card which was used to pay for a bunch of calls. Something to that effect. Violation of team rules, quasi illegal kind of thing. That was the RUMOR. I never personally confirmed it.
That, coupled with the fact that he was an arrogant SOB made him less than a favorite on the team. He was one of a number of physical specimens at Outside Linebacker we lost during the '93-'95 time frame (Coached by Bobby Morrison): Kerwin Waldroup, Shawn Collins, Rasheed Simmons, Mike Elston, David Bowens... all had great potential but either got injured or transferred for various reasons.