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There is a pretty simple and rational way to settle this, let the neutral party decide.  If Gholston plays against Wisconsin then the nothing he did during the game was "dirty."  If Lewan plays against Purdue then nothing he did during the game was "dirty."  If neither play then obviously the big ten has an issue with their play in this game.  At the end of the day this conversation is irrelevant, the games over and the better team won.  Good game, move on or don't, up to you.

I find it funny that you find it useful to occasionally confirm your beliefs that there is nothing special about UM fans.  Your right of course, we are all flawed and human, but if you really do feel like you need it confirmed then you may want to do some soul searching because that need probably says more about you than about us.

Says the white guy?

Thats probably a matter of perspective, I doubt a young student-athlete can differentiate between coach who recruited him and school he attends to that degree.

News flash, your fanaticism doesn't matter, but mine does.... just ask my parents, they tell me everything I do matters because I'm special.

At this point I could care less what happens either way, but there are so many ways that this could go bad that I'm almost expecting the worst. The good news, imho, is that unlike this board I don't think Dave Brandon will make a reactionary or emotionally based decision. Hopefully that careful planning and execution will allow DB to guard against an even bigger mess going forward.

"If we put the quarterback who didn't practice all week  in the game,  MacFarve is stinking up the joint and we are probably down by a lot."

In a word its a matter of agression.   The players can either have it, through a combination of individual skill, confidence in themselves and the system or it can be generated by scheme.  Our issue with the first is that generally that means taking players who are skilled individually and getting them to play fast and as a unit.  It's been stated repeatedly that we lack enough of those types of players for the first to apply.  The second option is to scheme aggression, a la Rex Ryan and the Jets, the problem with that is you need to have a back line guy or two that you can trust without fail to limit big plays.  Cameron Gordon may be that guy at some point, but certainly not yet.  See Jones and Rudolph TD's in the ND game.  That leaves us with the reverse of the Jets situation, in our case, we try and limit the major mistakes on defense in order to keep the offense in the game.  Even if GERG's scheme/players allowed for more aggression, the potential tradeoff, an extra sack or two vs. an extra TD or two allowed, isn't worth it.  They are so far behind our offense at this point that we play to that strength and hope for the best. 

I'm guessing I'm going to take a lot of heat for this but here it goes...  If this was going to happen it couldn't have happened at a better time.  At least we are early in the summer practices and we have time to get the potential replacements some significant PT with the ones.  We knew that in all likelihood we were going to need to outscore the better teams in the conference to win, that has not changed.  Someone will step in and while they most likely can't replace Woolfolk by themselves the defense will find a way to do it collectively.  What choice do the have?  This team is not as bad as there record the last 2 years, if we can limit turnovers, avoid 3 and outs, and perform at a reasonable level in the red zone this team can win games.  I'm starting to sound preachy so I'm going to STFU.   Thanks... Bye...

I went to the game in '08 my experience was a very good one as I went with 2 PSU grads, but I will say this, there isn't much to do other than tailgate, drink and go to the game.  In spite of that, or more likely because of it, the best game day experience I've ever had, the fans make more noise during tv timeouts at BS than we do for touchdowns at MS.  I also dealt with a little harassment but it was just some friendly ribbing and then an offer to by me a beer.  As long as you don't act like a jackass neither will they.

That sums it up, the focus needs to be on the 2010 season and the team. At the end of the day the impact these penalties have on the product on the field will be minute. We will not have a good or bad season because the NCAA finds fault with our ability to follow these particular rules. I really think the frustration being expressed is a result of all the build-up to the findings, i.e. the negative slant to the media coverage, rather than the findings themselves. We are a community very used to success so this has been a very humbling time for us all, but ultimately we will be better for having gone through this adversity and if we aren't then that's on us and no one else.

At 17-18 years old it's a pretty fine line between confidence and cockiness isn't it? I think only time will tell which is more accurate. Besides, couldn't we use a little swagger on this team as long as he backs it up on the field?

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Sheer speculation on my part but last time he did a presser during halftime of a BB game I believe RR mentioned 26 exactly. I wonder if the 26-28 range means he has a couple silent commits in his back pocket that we will find out about 2/3/10. One can only hope he closes with his usual wizard hat and snake oil style.

No luck there but worth a shot, thanks.

All I can say is wow, religious beliefs aside. I hope his "dream" was the real deal and not some fabrication. If it wasn't I wouldn't want to be him when Karma comes calling.

Every one of these kids from the P we bring in is a win/win. We get excellent players and they get a great education. Given all I've read/heard about life in Pahokee I can't help but pull a little harder for these guys. Welcome to the family RA.

If Witty is fully recovered from the injury he suffered his senior year in high school and he demonstrates an ability to make plays, I don't think it matters. At this point given the state of the defense we've got to field the best 11. If any of the current or incoming players demonstrates the ability to be one of those 11 at any position then we put them out there and see what happens.

Pete Carroll didn't cause the defensive issues at Notre Dame although the question did sound like a bit of a fishing expedition on the reporters part.