Mike Lantry, 1972
|2 days 22 hours ago||Vincent Smith,||
Martavious Odoms, and Drew Dileo
|1 week 30 min ago||Oh c'mon||
How about Jordan Kovacs wasn't recruited because he was undersized, had average speed for his position, and already had a knee injury. How many college coaches ask HS players to fill out a Wonderlic?
If you take out DL, OL, and QB in your argument as well, that leaves you with LB, CB, S, RB, WR, and TE. Off the top of my head, you've got Kyle Berger, Michael Ferns, Ian Bunting, Nic Weishar in 2014 class alone between M, OSU, and ND. I'm sure there were plenty of others.
Looking at the NFL, there aren't as many white players at RB, S, CB, and WR. As recruiting rankings tend to rate NFL potential, it would make sense that many highly rated players at these positions would be non-white. Correlation =/= causation
|1 week 51 min ago||I think all programs do this||
Much like Alabama hands out 100+ offers a year.
You bring players and coaches in to show off your program and build relationships. Some kids you offer and pursue hard. Others you offer and don't. Others you offer preferred walk-on positions. It doesn't hurt them to bring in players, even if they don't offer them. I imagine sometimes they host a kid mainly to start building a relationship with a coach.
|1 week 5 days ago||That's right||
The 4th and 5th year guys are from the 2010 and 2011 classes right now. These were lost recruiting clases both on OL and for DT/NT. We're just young as all get out in the positions where you need 22-year-old grown men.
Best case scenario would have been all the 2012 recruits panning out after two years on campus, which is unrealistic and would still yield an incredibly young line.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Unrealistic expectations||
This assumes every player from the 2012 class pans out ASAP. How many teams bring in 4 lineman and have all 4 ready to start prior to their third season (i.e. two years later)? I'm going with few to none, even with an OC that keeps to one philosophy.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Double-A gap blitz||
Is what this says to me (besides the obvious get bigger against the run). We've watched MSU tear us and others apart with it for years.
A lot of teams ran quick 3-step drops. Not enough time to get around the edge on the quarterback. But send JMFR up the A-gap with Ross up the other. If that's what we're moving to, then we can also breathe easier because we'll be in more press coverage instead of being off 10 yards.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||That's not always how it works||
We learn early on by watching social interactions in school that the kids who react to the bullies are the ones the bully targets. Bullies want to get a rise out of the victim.
The best trick is to laugh along a little bit, act like it doesn't bother you, and get away. When you can't get away, you might try dishing it back a little bit to hope he respects you and finds another target.
Martin tried that trick, but it didn't work. I'm guessing at some point he told Incognito straight up to stop it, but that didn't seem to work either. Hence plan C: the media.
I research bullying for a living and am happy to point you to research to back up these points.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Hey, let's all bully||
Hey, let's bully the kid with Asperger's because other kids in his high school do! I mean, this happens in every high school, so maybe we just need to get over ourselves and get on with bullying kids with Aspergers! It'll toughen him right up!
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Awesome!||
Let's be cool with horrible behavior because other people do it.
It's one thing to tell a joke or to rib on a friend. It's a whole other thing to mistreat someone when you do it. If your friends kept ribbing on you for your height or sexual oritentation or whatever, you'd probably laugh along until you realized they were going overboard. Then you'd tell them to stop. If they don't listen and continue, then they're being assholes. Period. Full stop.
You might be able to just find new friends, which is the best solution. But on a team, especially when you're the younger player, there isn't much room to just get away. You're stuck.
I get the basic argument that people need to have thick skin because the world can be a bitch, but I don't think that argument should be used to normalize other people's shitty behavior.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Map's missing 5 UM recruits||
It's a nice map, but it's missing the following UM recruits:
Mason Cole (FL)
Michael Ferns (OH)
Bryan Mone (UT)
Wilton Speight (VA)
Maurice Ways (MI)
I'd post a comment to the page with the map but don't have an account.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Probably||
The recruitment's been bizarre, but he himself has stayed out of the limelight. Beyond that, all we've got is hearsay and his parent's opinions.
If the coaches think he's got or can be coached into the work ethic and the level of character they want, then I'd say we want him.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Co-sign||
|4 weeks 5 days ago||I agree with you||
I hate the assumption to that not choosing UM = bad person/hates school
What I was trying to convey is that it appears UM have a certain recruiting pitch: this is what is important to us.
That does not mean those things aren't important to Malik. I have no idea what is important to him. At the same time, he might be confident in his own ability to grow into a man, and want a school with more focus on something different. Or he may see that the style at MSU can grow him into the type of man he wants to be. Or he could just prefer partying--I don't know. From the information we have, he doesn't seem to want what we're offering.
With the second paragraph, I was trying to make an observation of our general recruiting style, and how it will appeal more to some students than others. There are athletes with certain mindsets that we might miss out on due to that stance.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Oh and on the parenting and life decisions dilemma||
In my experience, it is easier for the son to make a mistake, admit it, and ask for his parent's forgiveness than it is for a son to get over the resentment at his parents for being forced into a life decision he doesn't want.
I have no idea of all of this media whirlwind is true or what. But if what we've been reading is mostly factual, then I hope he makes his own decision and owns it.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||He'll be fine||
I think it is very important he makes his own choice. If its Sparty for partying, so be it. Things may change in a year or two. He may have enough of parties and focus on school and football at MSU. He may realize he wants something different and transfer. Or he may party himself out of football. Unfortunate, but so many other students do this and we don't pass judgment on them.
As to Malik and UM. It's obvious we're not the fit. It's unfortunate that our "family, school, football, and grow into an upstanding man" recruiting style isn't for all 17 year olds. Such is the decision Hoke and company have made for recruiting. It will cost is kids like Malik, but it can pay dividends in team cohesiveness, work ethic, etc. (time will tell how successful it will be, though I do prefer Hoke's approach compared to Saban's/Kiffin's/Meyer's).
I have no problem with us not getting him. The fit doesn't appear to be right for either side at this stage in Malik's life. Next.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Millenium||
hand and shrimp
|5 weeks 2 days ago||I worked in a Top 25 University UG Admissions Office (Not UM)||
My two cents:
Your being in the top 10% of your high school class (which, I'm guesing with 8APs and a 4.0uw, you are), is your biggest asset. Second is your 8 AP classes. So long as you have done decently on a few of the AP tests (a few 4s or 5s), that is very strong as well.
The commenters are right, getting that 29 up to a 31 makes you a much easier acceptance. If that's a 31 and your essay shows interest in academics, I'd guess you'd be above 50% chance.
What people don't get is the letters of rec and extracurriculars mean very little. Unless your extracurricular is something you've really self-started (e.g., starting and running a non-profit), or something academically focused (e.g., president of engineering club and you've held an engineering internship), it doesn't really matter. Having that one intense academic interest that you've cultuvated already shows you'll contribute academically/intellectually to UM.
Admissions offices all talk about wanting well rounded students, but they mean they want students well-rounded academically. Like wanting to double major in Classics and Biology or something like that. Not "I was all-state and captain of my HS soccer team". As impressive as that is to most people (me included), there's just a lot of state champions out there across the country at team sports. Admissions Offices aren't focused on improving the level of intramural soccer.
Hope this helps
|5 weeks 3 days ago||The view in my admissions office||
Was that taking it 2-3 times showed persistence (well, and the financial ability to do so), whereas taking it 7 times showed obsession/desparation. Also, you have to figure out how to view a superscore across 7 attempts.
A superscored ACT/SAT across 7 attempts took advantage of variance, and was therefore highly likely to be inflated. A superscore across 2 attempts was viewed as more of a: "here's about what the student will do on an above-average day"
|5 weeks 6 days ago||At first I was thinking glass houses||
Because we had three students (Ash, Furman, and Rawls) all announce transfers, and I was thinking: the fact that we just do it less is no argument that we're any better.
But then I remembered that Ash, Furman, and Rawls will all graduate, so we honored the 4 year (3-year in Rawls' case) scholarship. I imagine they would rather go elsewhere to see more playing time, but it is also possible they received a firm handshake. However, I see UM as having held up its end of the bargain: 4-year scholarship and/or graduation, with graduation being the more important.
Shaky moral high-ground: still ours
|7 weeks 1 day ago||I imagine you're just messing around||
but for clarity, I'm not calling 11-year-olds teenagers.
I'm saying they're early adolescents by 11. So, for Damien Harris (age ~16), I'm not expecting you to use the developmental nomenclature of "adolescent", but at least go with teenager over child.
Child is both incorrect and can be demeaning. I'll let the amateur linguist Chad Ochocinco enlighten you on the intricacies of "child, please".
|7 weeks 1 day ago||You're kidding me right?||
Impressive generalities here. Child, really? Child, please. By 11 they are early adolescents, so at least go with teenager.
Children can be fickle. Teenagers can be fickle. Adults can be fickle. Of all things to call an athlete who is making a life decision based on a continuously fluid situation, fickle is not the one I'd use. There is nothing fickle about considering other schools because the coach you built a relationship has been let go. I'd go with smart or mature instead fickle.
If he starts talking about wanting to go to a school based on their local candy store, and then changes to say he prefers another school because they have a good fire department, then you can start slinging around fickle.
I do agree with your conclusion, however. Also: Fickle is Einhorn.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||I'll take a shot at next year's line||
I'm admittedly on the Kugler hype train, so here's where that leads me:
LT - Magnusson
LG - Glasgow/Bosch
C - Kugler
RG - Kalis
RT - Glasgow/Braden
I think the coaches continue with the best five strategy, and I believe Kugler will be in the best five. Since he's really only a fit for center, it let's us move Glasgow to whichever position is weaker, either LG or RT. I think they'd probably rather keep Glasgow inside with the importance of the IZ, but if Bosch grows well and no better option at RT, Glasgow could bring some stability to the tackle positions.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Why not||
LT - Magnusson
LG - Bosch
C - Kugler
RG - Kalis
RT - Glasgow
Glasgow is going to start. The question is where. I think Kugler starts, as he is a more natural center, and aparently has the head for it. I think Glasgow does too, but get the best five out there. I think Bosch will continue to improve, and Kalis will spend the off-season learning. Bryant may find a way back in, but health, man. Health.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Datbull||
Wait, Datbull (4 lyfe!) was announcing the game today? I couldn't hear in between all the praise being lavished upon Maxx Liedner
|22 weeks 6 days ago||Perception||
He was four star across the board to all three services. For our 2009, that was the definition of blue chip.
Roh, Stokes, Robinson, BWC, Forcier, and Lewan were the headliners.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Wish I were in AA||
I would drop by to say hi and pick up a shirt and a hoodie. Good luck!
|27 weeks 6 days ago||Ojemudia||
As mentioned previously, Clark (and to some degree Taco) have gotten the lions share of hype. Ojemudia was already a good slicing rusher last year. I see him coming in every time it is 3rd and long, as well as against passing teams to spell Clark. It fits with his skillset of quick rushing from the DT spot in high school.
|30 weeks 2 days ago||I like it||
Well done in terms of picking 10 or so of the most iconic moments and wrapping it into a concise production on a theme.
|31 weeks 3 days ago||Not to mention||
the guy they drafted right before him is a damn good punt returner. I love Denard, but I'd pick Ace to return punts this year, too. Two years from now--we'll see.
|32 weeks 1 day ago||Depends on how you count 'em||
We got 2 5* in 2012 (Pipkins to Rivals and Kalis to Scout)
We got 4 5* in 2013 (D. Thomas, Morris, Kugler, and D. Green to Scout)
I'm guessing you mean consensus five stars: D. Green, Peppers, and now Campbell.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Doesn't bother me at all||
You can always see after games which players on opposing sides find each other either to just say good game or to say hey because they're friends. One of my favorite parts of watching college football--after we win, that is.
|32 weeks 3 days ago||Unfortunate||
but I still believe he is seriously interested. I can't imagine having so much attention on me whether or not I took a plane flight a certain weekend.
|33 weeks 10 hours ago||If you build it||
If you build it [bad ass OL],
They [bad ass RBs] will come
|34 weeks 1 day ago||This is worthwhile for about the top 10 teams or so||
but when you have Alabama ranked behind Purdue and Duke, you have extended your metric beyond its useful purpose.
|34 weeks 3 days ago||I take it||
you haven't seen Peyton's SNL skit then
|35 weeks 4 days ago||Thank you for making this thread worth my time||
Thank you for making this thread worth my time.
Sidenote: my little brother went to this high school. The soundtrack is perfect for the rich white-boy MBA. Yes, I know Blake Bars went here, but it is definitely Momma's Boys Academy
|35 weeks 5 days ago||Certainly didn't start from the top||
Kid went to Inkster. IIRC, Inkster doesn't have a stadium, so they played an 8-game away schedule every year.
The list of Inkster's FBS talent certainly isn't long. He didn't go transferring to another school, though. The bottom is relative, but it's not like he was playing for FHH, EGR, Cass Tech, or even an OLSM or similar.
Stuck through being behind Denard. I'm not a fan of the song, but I'll take the underlying message: Not only is he here, but so is his whole team.
|36 weeks 4 days ago||Don't mind the devils advocate||
but I'd argue that Hoke would be (or is) very supportive of this decision. Not because EE vs. football camps, but because Mr. Harris is putting his schoolwork first. Any time one turns down a fun free ride to take care of responsibilities (even self-chosen ones like this one), I think Hoke smiles.
|37 weeks 1 day ago||I'd rather go with the Alabama style||
and take 4 top backs a year. Granted, we don't want to play the oversigning/St. Saban's Hospital game, but I think we can afford to take multiple a year, especially at the level of quality we're talking about.
|37 weeks 1 day ago||He should look at OSU||
Whether he's a die-hard UM fan or a casual UM fan, it is in his best interest to look at all schools which might fit him, much like Kyle Kalis did.
He seems to like a lot of what we have to offer, but there is no reason not to see what is going on in Columbus. As much as Meyer is a spread guy, he does like physical running backs. While we rightfully see a lot of the negatives in Meyer and his staff (Vrabel for the win!), dude has national championships and just went 12-0 (regardless of difficulty of schedule) in his first season.
As a die-hard UM fan, if I were being recruited, I would at least check out what OSU has to offer. Doubt I'd be swayed by Meyer and his trust tree, but to each his own.
|37 weeks 2 days ago||I'll call BS||
on your claim of working at an Ivy admissions office.
Having talked to multiple admissions officers at Ivy League schools, they (specifically those at the top few) mention they have enough quality applicants to fill three or four identical classes. Most create a metric "score" for a student to attempt to quantify the academics, but there are so many extra factors that students who go into Ivys have, like running their own software start-up, growing up in Kazakhstan and speaking six languages, etc., having Bruce Springsteen for a father, that make for a well-rounded incoming freshman class that it is impossible to quantify.
"Hmm, he gets six points because he speaks four languages, but we'll deduct .25 because he was born in Switzerland, where about everyone learns four languages." Not realistic. Top schools admissions offices also will not create a class of solely the top scores, as these classes would not be well rounded.
The metric scores, as I was told for Ivys and how they were used in our office, were used mainly such that, after we had put together a draft of our class, we could:
a) double check the students with really high academic scores, to make sure we didn't accidently wait-list or reject a seemingly strong academic candidate, and
b) double check the students we are accepting for really low academic scores, to make sure we know exactly what reason we are accepting the student.
|37 weeks 3 days ago||Wrong and/or misinformed||
Having worked for an admissions department for a BCS school, I experienced things differently.
Class difficulty was a major factor--students who took the most difficult classes offered scored highly compared to those who didn't. GPA didn't matter at all, because schools vary so much with GPA. Class rank (even private schools that don't rank will give you some way to figure out where the student falls relative to his/her class) is the metric most commonly used, not GPA.
Otherwise, what would admissions do for home school students if not for attempting to understand the rigor of classes? Oh, your GPA is a 5.6 because you took all APs and your Mom gave you all A's?
With athletes, so long as they meet NCAA Clearinghouse, admissons can accept them. However, schools like UM, although willing to accept some athletes who barely scrape by Clearinghouse, will not take a whole recruiting class full of them, and are wary of schools like this.
As to whether Hoke ran this all by admissions, I imagine he usually does and has a procedure, but it is always possible they offer to respect the best athletes (especially at a camp) and tell them it is pending being admitted. If the admissions dept. says no, it is not likely the recruits mention this publicly, as it gives other schools' admissions departments less ground to stand on to accept them, so it just turns out they find another school.
|44 weeks 2 days ago||I wouldn't put Northwestern at a maybe||
Northwestern returns everyone from a team that beat us until the last 25 seconds on our home field.
|44 weeks 3 days ago||I'm impressed||
This is one of the few grammar nazish replies I've seen that doesn't come off arrogant.
|44 weeks 3 days ago||School sounds nice||
What is your plan for enrolling students? What students are you planning to serve?
Will you attempt to mirror the school district or neighborhood you are set in in terms of student race/ethnicity, SES, and parental education? What is the race/ethnicity, SES, and parental education for the community you are planning to serve?
What is your mission statement?
|45 weeks 4 days ago||I hear ya||
but I take it as a good thing. Usually only really devisive posts rack up a lot of hits. Well, that or commitments. I think at this point, we're so used to seeing Martavious and Vincent do good things that we read it and don't feel compelled to compliment/comment because it's almost expected at this point that they're doing good things.
|45 weeks 4 days ago||Couldn't be more proud||
To support our young men. We chant Leaders and Best often--Martavious and Vincent are out living it.
Keep up the good work, gentlemen.
|46 weeks 2 days ago||1.||
4. Manny Harris
5. Chris Webber
|46 weeks 6 days ago||This is not so unusual||
It shows the recruit a solidarity of the whole university behind his success. UM commits have mentioned thier getting to talk to the head of the __(insert blank)__ academic department during their visits.
However, I don't think MSC needs to start recruiting. That is, unless she wants to send a few specific recruits inspiring "you're a baller" sharpee-notes.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||In time, yes||
I'm all about second chances. However, usually the person wanting the second chance needs time to go through the hit rock bottom-reflect-work your way back process. Let him go through anger management and soul-searching and apply to coach NEXT year.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||It's in the power dynamic||
Whether it is a 18-22-year old player whose playing time you own (not to mention you're the one giving him a recommendation for future jobs) or a 12-year-old girl you are physically stronger than, the power dynamic is the same: you're the one in charge. If he abuses it with those more likely able to stand up to him, he'll likely abuse it with those less able to do so.
If true, this is absolutely absurd.
|47 weeks 5 hours ago||Tell me we offer him the #2 jersey||
For a kid who wants to win the Heisman as a freshman DB, it only makes sense.
|47 weeks 5 hours ago||Whether or not Jabrill picks UM||
He appears to be driven by different goals than Treadwell.
|1 year 4 days ago||Anything but this|
|1 year 1 week ago||Just check the beer can||
Three stars, gentleman
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Speight is Kiwi (New Zealand) for beer||
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Unbelievable work.||
Unbelievable work. Tremendous!
This was worth the time made to create it. Thanks for the laughs
|1 year 5 weeks ago||Keep up the good work!||
You're doing great. Looking forward to seeing the progress on the garden.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||He may very well stay||
His family is not in dire need of the money. They chose a program with a coach who focuses on development of players instead of cashing in on one-and-dones. He may very well stay around for another one.
|1 year 9 weeks ago||Jeremy Gallon||
Between his play on the field and his introspective and humble demeanor off it, I feel good about the torch being passed to the next year. I also think we have our #21 for next year. His double moves are going to put up some points next year once Gardner has an off-season to get the offense down.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||The mere fact||
The mere fact that we're having this conversation speaks volumes about how good Lewan is.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Pro-tip||
Pro-tip: avoid derogatory nicknames like Urban Liar, Dicktonio, etc.
The more you know...
|1 year 15 weeks ago||I'm pretty sure this is a joke from yesterday||
but the OCD in me requires me to: prima donna
|1 year 15 weeks ago||It means he's||
It means he's going to going to write a 4000 word blogpost dissing Jerry Kill
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Yep||
When your two best wins are 12-10 home against MSU and 28-25 home against Air Force, you just don't have much ground to stand on
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Might not work||
Usually you'll want to drive the stake through the head of the zombie
|1 year 18 weeks ago||Co-sign||
This game would've been really shaky without Devin
|1 year 19 weeks ago||M 20-14||
|1 year 19 weeks ago||The THREAT||
I'm not sure who this Gibbons is whom you refer to. However, I heard that the THREAT was named B1G player of the week
|1 year 21 weeks ago||I'll take Dymonte Thomas||
for $100, Alex.
Not literally, of course. If he wanted to get paid, he'd be headed to Ohio and asking Cardale Jones how to get out of taking classes.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Michigan football addiction||
Could you leave these pages and your website for two weeks? I'm not nearly the mgo-follower you are, and I have a hell of a time making it more than 10 days without mgoblog, your site, or aquaman's site.
|1 year 24 weeks ago||It's the||
least we could do. Keep on shining for Pahokee and Michigan!
|1 year 26 weeks ago||NORTHFEET||
Call him Northfeet for the way he gets his feet moving north-south in a hurry.
Also, I love that he didn't try to do too much fancy dancin' even though that stuff surely worked in HS. Seems to be transitioning well.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||If only||
If only he hadn't outkicked our coverage team as well...
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Makes sense||
I'm glad you appreciate him, too, and I get your point that I underplayed his usefulness as a weapon beyond making blitzing linebackers enjoy a newfound appreciation for the ground.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Forest for the trees||
If you want to appreciate him for a hat trick and 9th all time receiving yards as an RB, that's cool. I didn't even know those stats. You're original response was a really indirect way of saying it.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Nice try||
But this thread doesn't read: "snarky sarcasm appreciation thread". Also, Rudy was ignorant of fingerguns.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||Legend Status||
Legend Status: Confirmed
|1 year 30 weeks ago||Guys who registered||
in 2009 and only have 86 points don't post for attention. I buy it. It also makes sense -- this coaching staff is aggressive with their decision-making.
|1 year 30 weeks ago||I be like dang||
This analysis: I be like dang!
|1 year 31 weeks ago||Page-views||
Shoot, both teams are so close it wouldn't make sense to switch them if FL had been 2 and we were 3. I'd put money this has more to do with page-views than either recruiting class being superior to the other. Page-views dolla bill, ya'll
|1 year 33 weeks ago||Take a look at Molk at 2:09||
Love that Molk blocks one DT with his hands and another with his knee at 2:09. I'm not usually a fan of the close up NFL highlights, but it let me see some details I would've missed otherwise.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Co-sign the OP||
My 2 cents: My main mgoblog usage is to laugh at the funny, learn about football, and learn about the players and recruits. I'm not especially prone to pulling my hair out over recruits, although I did walk around goofy the day we pulled 8 (or 4 pairs, if you will) in the weekend that Ace's fingertips bled.
That being said, I asked myself back in the Jordan Diamond and Josh Garnett days, is following every twitter step something that is adding or decreasing my enjoyment of life and mgoblog? The answer was "yea, veritly it is decreasing my enjoyment, except when I see Shane photobombing Ohio."
I still click on the threads titled "David Dawson" knowing I'll get some twitter info, but when I find out he's wearing a florida bracelet or whatever, I shrug my shoulders even though I want him to play for UM. I was 17 once and I did basically whatever my friends/TV/darth vader/eminem convinced me was cool or not cool, whichever was cooler at the time.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||My 2 cents||
He isn't coming. He's had plenty of time and a little bit of pressure (time/commit number-wise) and hasnt' committed. This is fine -- I don't blame the kid. It seems, though, for right or wrong that our coaches prefer kids who jump at the offer. It doesn't seem to matter the reason, but they recruit a kid for awhile, and if he isn't sold after a few months, they seem to understand he isn't likely to be sold.
I could always be wrong -- he may just keep oscillating around and realizing nothing is better than M, but ultimately, he seems to be looking for a place better and will likely find his fit. Fair enough, but I'm happy to move on despite his talent level. I'd rather that he committed to us, but I like that recruiting is set before the season.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||No offense||
No offense to the kid or you, but the original poster is right -- 10.8 isn't super impressive. He's also right, that the 200 time is pretty dang good.
How fast his 10.8 is comes down to perspective. I came in third in state in the 3200 meter, but I was in A/AA Tennessee. I wouldn't have made a regional finals in CA, TX, FL, or higher divisions in most states.
Good for the kid, but your "Wow!" over his 10.8 time is tough when we as a fanbase, maybe unfairly, compare it to Denard's or Devon Allen's. Perspective.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||I'd add Steve "Air/All-Terrain" McNair||
to the list of almost got you there candidates
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Fair||
But it's a risk/reward scenario. You're betting the house that RGIII reaches that a yet-unforeseen level of QB awesomeness. It would be awesome, and in most years, probably worth it the risk just because the reward would be so high.
However, in years when you have a Peyton Manning or a Andrew Luck, you take the sure thing. You can win a Super Bowl with Andrew Luck as QB. There's a small chance that RGIII can win you one on his awesomeness alone, but there's a greater chance he ends up in the Vick-Young range of QBs that will win you some games but lose you others and that you can't win Super Bowls with
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Quibble as well||
I'd argue Steve "all-terrain" McNair would fit the truly dual-threat label. He wasn't going 80 yards to the house like Denard or RGIII, but he was going to Tebow out 15 yard chunks of yardage whenever he scrambled. His passing, decision-making, etc., were all-pro level. 1999 Co-NFL MVP with Peyton Manning.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||FSU lost to Wake Forest||
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Agree||
Wake me up when FSU starts beating Wake Forest consistently again.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Maybe our players||
can wear eyeblack with MV and #7 written on them, too.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Signed||
Wait a minute, why don't we start a better one and sign it. We're only giving up 1k signatures on a quest for 400k This dude is whacked a little bit.
|1 year 46 weeks ago||Agree||
All that really needed to be said was: "the team, the team, the team"
|1 year 48 weeks ago||He just keeps||
roleing roleing roleing, WHAT
|1 year 48 weeks ago||Well played||
I thought it was you posting, but I thought you were just sucking up/being too nice. Well played.
|1 year 49 weeks ago||Your math||
befuddles me. You're saying total inflation has gone up 50% in the last twenty years? I call shenanigans.
Gas 20 years ago < $1
Gas now ~ $4
Milk 20 years ago < $1/gal
Milk now ~$3/gal
Bag of Doritos 20 years ago <$1
Bag of Doritos now ~$4
Small sample size, I know, but I'm pretty sure you'll find that inflation has gone up nearly 2x since 20 years ago. Don't buy the 3% a year (with a rotating "basket" of goods that can be manipulated to come out 3% at all times) that the fed reports.
|1 year 49 weeks ago||Barnum is hauling ass||
in that pull play where he springs Denard for 6. Color me impressed.
|1 year 49 weeks ago||Except||
Except for that Woodson interception. Miracle doesn't really do it justice.
|1 year 49 weeks ago||I can agree with this||
It's in how high you set the bar for a grit point/"miracle" -- if a decent catch counts as one, then this would fall apart.
Three may be a better number, though.
|1 year 50 weeks ago||I don't know much about Bivin||
but I hope McGovern does well. I was impressed that he visited even after we were full. I hope we end up with room for a sixth. If not, I hope we destroy the other four men on NDs line.
|1 year 51 weeks ago||Wow||
I was hoping Terrance Robinson would get another year -- especially as we have scholarships to give -- as he was doing really well on special teams.
Good luck to them all!
|2 years 1 week ago||@enlightenedbum||
I think we agree on RVB being worthy, but disagree on reasons. My 3:
1. Sugar Bowl domination on 1.25 ankles
3. Indiana backfield explosion 2009
|2 years 1 week ago||Not with an attitude like that he's not||
Not with an attitude like that he's not
|2 years 1 week ago||I love Molk||
and would love to see him get drafted in the second round -- I think he's earned it.
However, I wouldn't want my team to take him the second round, because I think he'll be available still in round 4. Trade down or pick up another player.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Two things||
1. Ace: love the interview questions -- it seems like you're really comfortable talking with Jaron and letting the situation and responses dictate the follow-up questions.
2. Is Jaron mature or what? He shows love to Cam Burrows, and his response to the question about fans supporting him/not supporting him sounds like something Hoke and Mattison would say. This kid will be a winner on the field or off it. Likely both.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Eh||
I'd rather him wait until he's comfortable, even if it takes awhile. It's unfortunate for us, because last recruiting cycle we "lost" a lot of guys who waited until the last minute, but I'd rather him be sure of his choice than commit early, regret it, and flip on signing day.
|2 years 3 weeks ago||could be a crackhead||
got hold to the wrong stuff
|2 years 3 weeks ago||Man, we've been over this||
Don't disturb the tao of the vision quest.
|2 years 3 weeks ago||Thanks||
Thanks -- fixed
|2 years 3 weeks ago||Grit?||
If there is one guy in the incoming class that will challenge to join the grit pantheon (2011 members: Molk, Van Bergen, Odoms, V. Smith, Kovacs, and Robinson), it is Norfleet.
I wish I had the link, but his play in the MaxPreps 7on7 at IMG in Florida where he smacks face first on concrete at full speed and bounces up 2 seconds later and plays the next play is one up there with Denard patting Gholston on the butt after Gholston tried to break Denard's neck.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Your boss is the pizza delivery boy||
Your boss is the pizza delivery boy?
|2 years 5 weeks ago||Backup: kinda||
Third down back is like a quasi starter. I wish Vincent hadn't had his ACL tear his freshman year -- he just hasn't seen quite the same.
I've been really excited about Norfleet and just glad that the staff isn't tied to an ideal instead of grabbing and working with great talent
|2 years 5 weeks ago||I agree||
but then again, we all thought Frank Clark would be redshirting...
|2 years 8 weeks ago||If it were that easy||
there'd be very few problems in the world. It's one thing to have an opportunity, but it is a whole other thing to have a support system in place to help you make the most of an opportunity.
I agree with the basic premise, but the sentiment usually inherent in these statments tends to overlook the systemic, systematic, and social detriments of poverty.
|2 years 9 weeks ago||If there's one position I understand leaving early||
it's the RB. One less year of pounding on his body may add up when he's 45 years old. I wish him luck.
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Nice find! Slippery Rock > USC. Garnett oh noes!||
BTW -- Slippery Rock is better than USC by transitive property. Chart?
I guess Garnett is really considering Slippery Rock
|2 years 10 weeks ago||An ambush?||
Hoke may profess to not know much about Xs and Os, but he knows a little something about how to ambush the ambushers.
(Hint: it's in the double point)
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Poor Justin Myer||
is now stuck in his room while his teammates have fun.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||What?||
What makes you say this?
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Winning?||
Are we recruiting Charlie Sheen?
|2 years 10 weeks ago||We will ask T-Rob back||
Actually, I have no inside information, so the title should read: we should ask Terrance Robinson back. Having a special teams all-star is always useful. He's not Steve Tasker yet, but getting there.
Cox, on the other hand, maybe not. Given his HS background, he shouldn't need the fifth year to graduate either.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Your avatar, dude||
It says a lot. What it says, I don't know. But it says it loudly
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Double post||
Cell phone Dunn got me
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Rule #1||
Well, more like rule 1a - don't talk about moderation
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Kovacs Highlight Reel||
It felt like a Kovacs highlight reel, with RVB as the supporting actor, and cameos by just about everyone else on the team.
Has anyone else noticed how our D-Line (both interior and ends) uses a shoulder dip move to get by the blockers? I just don't remember seeing this last year. Some of the close up plays have Roh and Heininger getting by their guys by keeping their inside shoulder low and balancing their way by the o-line.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Hoke's response||
"I had no business winning it. Ten wins is a disappointment. This is MICHIGAN fergodsakes!"
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Gundy or||
Gundy or T Boone Picken's wallet put OSU into the NC discussion?
All respect, though, Gundy had my vote
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Gotta make paper||
mgopaper that is. Stack em up.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Good||
safety measure, but why are we buckled up? Chesson?
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Two thoughts stand out||
1. Ace, your questions have more personal touches (non-Sandusky), are more informative, and are all around more enjoyable to read. Keep up the good work -- you're getting there!
2. I really like this kid. He sounds very well-spoke and humble. I don't mind the Tennessee statement. It just sounds honest. I get the feeling he'd get along great with Coach Hoke.
ok, ok, a 3rd thought: The Wake Forest offer stands out to me. They do a tremendous job of CB recruiting (snagged a Pahokee kid, Merrill Noel from FSU 2 years ago), and have put at least three DBs in the pros over the last 5 years. Their CBs tend to have confidence in spades.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||I've been reading the daily Dunn updates for awhile now||
and no one seems to have mentioned that Borges was OC at Auburn when they had both Carnell (Cadillac) Williams and Ronnie Brown in the same backfield. Cadillac went for 1,165 yds and Ronnie went for 900+
Of anything, this would sell me
|2 years 13 weeks ago||They're saving the bubble screen||
for Alabama next year. Book it!
|2 years 13 weeks ago||So what you're saying is...||
...buckle up (in two weeks)?
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Kudos!||
I laughed so hard I choked.
Also, I heard it from his doctor that he sprained it getting up from his couch.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Dyson Blades||
I forget if Dyson Blades transferred high schools, but if he's still around Michigan, I'm sure he and his brother will get offers. I hear they're a combo package.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||This "not qualify for Michigan" meme needs to die||
ANY athlete who passes NCAA clearinghouse that a coach really wants will get into Michigan.
It may simply be that he's close enough to not passing clearinghouse and not being eligible for any DI school, and that the coaches aren't willing to risk holding the spot.
Another possibility is that Hoke has a different approach and wants kids who are academically succeeding well about NCAA clearinghouse levels, but the admissions office will not prevent a student from attending who has no crime record and who has passed clearinghouse without a bunch of fishy online classes.
The difference between UM and Alabama when it comes to admissions is that UM might take 5-10 football players who are near clearinghouse minimums (or at least, nowhere near standard, non-athlete admits), while Alabama would be willing to take 28 (though they do attract some kids who do decently in the classroom as well).
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Brilliant!||
I didn't even realize there was a background. Mace Windu, 80's style
|2 years 15 weeks ago||RR as||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||molk and lewan||
as george and the other weasley brother who were the beaters
|2 years 15 weeks ago||ryan van bergen||
as ron weasley
|2 years 15 weeks ago||denard robinson||
as harry potter
|2 years 15 weeks ago||the Free Press||
as Rita Skeeter
|2 years 15 weeks ago||starring mattison||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||and brady hoke||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||all of the||
lights are belong to us
|2 years 15 weeks ago||20 more points||
on point day
|2 years 15 weeks ago||i just want to post||
about Michigan and the Order of the Phoenix
|2 years 15 weeks ago||It will||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||fairy||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||veggie||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||tale of||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||city light||
street light, people
|2 years 15 weeks ago||shark||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||tooth||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||australia vs.||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||tiger vs.||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||rampage||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||dino||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||vegemite||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||queen||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||marriage||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||carnival||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||schoolhouse||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||THE rock||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||this is||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||old||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||reply||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||reply||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||reply||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||mo pts||
i needs them
|2 years 15 weeks ago||this is annoying||
better only need 100
|2 years 15 weeks ago||pts||
|2 years 15 weeks ago||need pts to post||
used to have them
|2 years 18 weeks ago||V Smith is paying tribute to his favorite childhood band--||
|2 years 19 weeks ago||This ^^^||
makes the sense.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Why oh why||
could MSU not have played Wisconsin before they played us?
|2 years 19 weeks ago||All day W!||
How are they going to hurt Wilson if they don't get a hit on him?
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Karma police active in the W-MSU game||
With Lewis getting hurt on the first play after saying they were going to hurt Rusell Wilson.
Honestly, I feel a bit bad for the kid. He's following a rotten leader.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||A few||
Q. With which hand did Charles Woodson intercept Todd Schultz when Schultz was attempting to throw the ball out of bounds in 1997?
A. Right hand
We all know the answer to this one, but, I mean, you gotta ask it:
Q. Which Michigan player's comments about MSU being "little brother" prompted Coach Dantonio to lose his cool and take personal shots at a press conference about his height?
A. Mike Hart
|2 years 23 weeks ago||The vacuum||
is a Dyson Blades, I believe. IIRC, it's a 3* vacuum. Undersized, but with 4.33 speed. Anyone know why we haven't extended an offer?
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Incorrect||
This is the most frustrating meme I see: that MSU takes athletes that wouldn't make it into UofM.
Quick disclaimer: I worked at a Top 25 University Admissions office with a BCS football team.
If you're talking legal trouble, you might be right in some cases, as each school handles these differently. But when it comes to academics, both UM and MSU have the same basic standards for athletes. If a student passes the NCAA Clearinghouse (combination of SAT and GPA), they will play for any team (including Stanford). The only difference is that UM might only take 8 to 10 of those players who barely pass the NCAA Clearinghouse per year. Then they'd want another 10 or so to be within a reasonable range of the average non-athlete's SAT/GPA. Then they'd want about 3-5 who actually would get in on academic merit alone. Having not worked for UM, these numbers could be a bit different, but they probably serve a decent guideline. You want to have a team with a core of academic competancy so that they can help each other and keep the standard higher.
MSU, on the other hand, might be happy with all 20-25 being barely able to pass Clearinghouse, but I doubt that is the case. Alabama and Auburn, however, are perfectly happy with that and any JUCO who can spell and finds a way to pass Clearinghouse.
I'll put up a diary about admissions at some point when I've got some time.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||The team||
The team has to have ridiculous confidence in Hoke right now. Love how he kept it simple on the sidelines and kept the team relaxed (well, as much as you can).
Robinson/Kovacs 2012! I'd vote
|2 years 25 weeks ago||And this game||
This game does to my sight what prism does to light.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Criticism or Backhanded Compliment?||
I actually find this to be a compliment. If Rivals believes 69% and 3 TDS of 5 drives and 5+ YPC to be "disappointing", it's just because Denard is that explosive and feared that anything less than a 60+ yard ESPN highlight run is "not cool, man".
Don't let Rivals piss in your coffee. This is a compliment.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||Great writing, Misopogon||
Man of many talents. Writing is captivating. Like Brian's, but with a tad less Terry Pratchett and a tad more of whomever the Lloyd Carr of storytellers is.
|2 years 37 weeks ago||"Koolaid drinking slappies"||
I am replying so that I can archive this phrase for myself so that, sometime in the future when I want to use it, I can remember where to find it. This should be a surpreme complement, and such.
|2 years 48 weeks ago||Thank you, Tom||
I have always respected how you've balanced providing information with respecting the confidentiality and requests of the recruits. I, too, am really interested in your recent comments, and look forward to hearing more when you're able to tell us.
Until then, I'll just dream about every recruit I want being part of a unified group before they even reach campus. If that's the case, I'm more excited than getting a class of disunified 5 stars.
|2 years 49 weeks ago||Love to have a kid||
that the coaches want and who wants to be here. If the rumors are true about his mad at tOSU, then all the better for his motivation and work ethic. Either way, I hope things go well in April.
|3 years 10 weeks ago||I worked in an admissions office||
at a top-50 nationally ranked university with an FBS football team. The answer to your question is both yes and no.
The way it works is that various universities have a certain number of spots for what they will allow for what they consider non-standard admits. This definition varies at different schools. What it meant at the school that I worked for is students with a class ranking below 50% in their high school. (Caveat: I know a lot of high schools say they "do not rank their students" but 98% of schools will give either a decile ranking (i.e. 2nd decile = 10-20%) or give a grade distribution chart that makes it pretty easy to figure out where the student placed in their class when you look at their transcript). UM would have fewer spots for non-standard athletes than, say, Alabama, who likely can take whomever they want for all 85 scholarships. At the same time, it is likely that they have more spots than say a Stanford, Duke, or Wake Forest.
This way, UM can take athletes who barely scrape by NCAA Clearinghouse just as Stanford will as well. The difference is in the percentage of the team that the UM admissions office allows to be non-standard.
Of the athletes who are considered "standard" admits, many still will fall below the test scores/GPA's/Class Ranking of the "standard" UM freshman. They will, however, fall within the range of what UM will consider for a standard student. So while most of UM's freshman may have been in the top 10% of their HS classes and have an average SAT of say 1200, they admissions department would be happy to accept a Sudanese immigrant who works two jobs and managed to scrape his way into the top 30% of his HS class and did not do well on the SAT because that immigrant will bring a lot of diversity to the incoming class. The football players who are considered "standard" often get the same kind of treatment. There will still be a few athletes like Craig Roh who would likely get admitted on academics alone, but not usually very many among the scholarship athletes.
If I had to guess, the average UM recruiting class would breakdown something like this:
Out of 20 recruits:
1-2 Would get admitted to UM even if they didn't know a football from a doorknob
8-10 "Standard" Admits
10 "Non-Standard" Admits
|3 years 17 weeks ago||Great thread||
thanks to all. Most informative piece I've read in a while. Great question bml.
|3 years 20 weeks ago||Glad to hear it||
bring on more defense! That or TE. I like the Webb and Koger are still finding roles in the offense.
|3 years 25 weeks ago||Mike Martin||
is the reason. When you run a 3-3-5 and you have an all-B10 performer/David Banner in front of you, you're likely to sit a lot. I imagine, like umlinks said, that he'll get more time against the B10 teams when we have to get a meatier line and have more 4 down linemen sets.
|3 years 25 weeks ago||Tate's baby's got a secret||
and Madonna's the mom.
|3 years 26 weeks ago||I agree wholeheartedly with #3||
Similarly to WMU last year, we were able to win pretty easily with vanilla, so we kept it vanilla. I'm interested to see how much of the playbook D-Rob has under his belt. Loved the pump-fake on the bubble screen and then hit the downfield slant to T-Rob.
|3 years 26 weeks ago||Great use of 'adroitly'||
I used recalcitrant today and felt good about it. Thought I'd share
|3 years 34 weeks ago||I'm excited||
to get more hardworking LA players to A2. Now when is Dyson Blades' commit date set for?
|3 years 39 weeks ago||Wow||
so you're discounting the skills of Mouton, Fitzgerald, Ezeh, Demens, Bell, Jones, Herron, et al. due to Leach, Ryan, and this guy?
Nonetheless, I hope he enjoys his visit
|3 years 39 weeks ago||This is correct||
in my experience
|3 years 39 weeks ago||This is most likely the case||
From my admissions experience (BCS school, top 50 academically), this is most likely the case. It is also likely that someone high up in admissions will want to talk to him personally about his prior brush with the law, to get a feel for how he has matured and grown and will not pose a threat to UM's students and reputation.
If I'm jamiemac, I'd bet $ he gets in.
|3 years 39 weeks ago||Lining up in a "go for it" package||
3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB. If you send a punt rush, you've got either the option pitch or a wide open TE or WR.