|3 weeks 6 days ago||I don't know, pad level could||
I don't know, pad level could be an issue there.
|5 weeks 11 hours ago||OL Performance||
This isn't a criticism of your work and is possibly not even relevant to your writeup, but it seems to me that the best way to look at OL performance is not to look at averages across the 5 starters. Instead, the performance/quality of the either the worst or perhaps the second worst player on the line (in case you can scheme around one poorly performing lineman) seems most relevant. The old adage that a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link seems to apply.
This approach makes more sense to me - if more difficult to implement. Many people thought we should have been better last year because we had two NFL ready tackles, but their great performances were often completely wasted because our lower performing lineman were collapsing much of the game. That's why averages doesn't seem to work to me because if you average our OL ability from last year, you'd probably wind up with something close to an average college football line and we know that wasn't the case.
This is also why I am at least a little optimistic about the OL this year, because while our tackles will be worse, our interior should be better and now there should not be as much of a collapse as there was last year. I guess we'll see how it goes.
|42 weeks 19 hours ago||Remove cupcakes?||
It might be worth considering removing cupcakes. My rationale there is that theoretically at least, we would/should be a much better team than their conference schedule opponents. That we do better than their average is no surprise and should be expected. I think it is fair to keep all Big Ten opponents and ND. Granted, taking this approach is a bit subjective, but the cupcakes are increasing our scores on the left of the charts.
|45 weeks 1 day ago||I feel bad for the guy for||
I feel bad for the guy for staying too, but that is not an excuse. He should sit for a full game.
|45 weeks 2 days ago||Agree with this. In fact, I||
Agree with this. In fact, I much, much prefer a Final Four appearance over a conference championship. Indiana won the conference and Ohio State won the Big Ten tournament. Would anyone trade either of those results for ours last year? I certainly wouldn't.
|47 weeks 5 days ago||A regular person did||
A regular person did something like this and gave the investors some voting rights over what actions he should take with his life. It was a pretty interesting read.
|48 weeks 6 hours ago||Panama, what are you thinking||
Panama, what are you thinking going forward with so many men in extra time when you have the lead? You absolutely must have 10 men back in that situation.
|48 weeks 8 hours ago||I hate the Mexican soccer||
I hate the Mexican soccer team. Let's just say I wouldn't be too upset if we lost this game since it is meaningless to us.
|1 year 5 days ago||Simple but brilliant!||
Simple but brilliant!
|1 year 12 weeks ago||The difference between him||
The difference between him and a lot of other guys that switch is that his home country desperately needed his services and he decided to play for someone else. Totally his right to do so and I don't think anyone would dispute that, but it shows a lack of committment to your home country. That's over-stating it a bit, but in my mind, I think of him more as an Italian than an American for that reason.
For most (not all) other guys who play for different countries, it usually is because they were not good enough for their home team. That feels less 'traitor-ish' to me.
Other guys have home teams that are so bad that they will never make the world cup. That feels more neutral to me, but I can see how someone might lump that in with the first situation.
Lastly, and this is not addressed to you specifically: We as fans, do not have to be consistent. We can cheer for the players who choose to play for our country and can dislike players who choose otherwise - regardless of reason. We do not have to be accepting of all switchers or deride all switchers.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||If you are seriously||
If you are seriously considering marketing, Michigan is the better choice for that. I'm in consumer packaged goods marketing and I've never even met a person from Columbia in my field. I would imagine that they exist, I just never met anyone. Full disclosure, I work in Chicago, but I did intern at J&J in New Jersey and I don't remember any Columbia people from when I was there. Harvard, Wharton, NYU yes, but not Columbia.
Tech marketing may be slightly different, but I kind of doubt that the trend would flip. I do know of a bunch of people that went into tech marketing from Michigan - primarily West Coast.
Management consulting probably doesn't matter either way other than location as noted by another poster.
|1 year 31 weeks ago||How about this?||
Which of these are not like the others:
OSU, Michigan, Bama, LSU, ND, Texas A&M, Ole Miss & Florida?
|1 year 33 weeks ago||I'm surprised that I haven't||
I'm surprised that I haven't seen any mention of how after Harbaugh made his comments about Michigan academics that was later found that Stanford kept printed lists of 'easy classes' for their student athletes to take. That makes Harbaugh a hypocrite as well.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||So...Denard is Mistborn -||
So...Denard is Mistborn - this explains a lot.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Exactly||
|1 year 50 weeks ago||Yes. This is another reason||
Yes. This is another reason why having OSU in the opposite division sucks.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||That's true, but last year||
That's true, but last year had the whole trash tornado thing going on. I think we should be able to score 20+ and that could easily be enough - given the new QB & receivers vs our defensive backfield.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||Anyone else think that at||
Anyone else think that at least a few teams might try to put more air under the ball and have it land just outside the goal line? That would give the coverage team more time to get down the field due to the 5 yard head start and more hang time. That might allow some teams to do better than average giving up the ball on the 25 yard line.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Well, in more practical||
Well, in more practical classes (read: using the material after college), this kind of thing matters. I went to grad school for engineering at top 50 school (better than MSU) and TA'd classes that I took as an undergrad at a top 20 school (almost as good as Michigan).
There was a shocking difference in difficulty and hand-holding. In the top 20 school, you were required to figure things out on your own with very little help. If you couldn't figure it out during a lab, then you fail, so you better understand what you are doing prior to showing up for the lab and be prepared to do what you had to do. As a TA, at the top 50 school, I was 'required' to answer any question that students had, so labs became a long series of 'what do I do next' requiring no preparation or thought by the students.
Let's just say that one place teaches you to think for yourself and the other teaches you how to do what other people tell you to do and leave it at that.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Nice to see my undergrad alma||
Nice to see my undergrad alma mater get some love. RPI games were fun in the early 90's...
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Those guys are not exactly||
Those guys are not exactly subjective. Some of them think our game next year at Minny is a toss-up. Sure, we could lose, but there is no way that is a 50-50 game.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Need MOAR Ender's Game||
Need MOAR Ender's Game references!
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Sad and it will definitely||
Sad and it will definitely hurt us next year, but probably time to move on.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Additionally, part of that is||
Additionally, part of that is on the defender who gambled when he went for the ball rather than playing the man and trying to knock the ball loose. That happens a lot. When it does, it usually means the receiver is running free past the DB.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Seriously. How about the no||
Seriously. How about the no call block in the face on our DB on that 4th and 11 play that Logan ran for? He almost knocked our guy's helmet off. That would have saved the TD.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Wow, who would have thought||
Wow, who would have thought going into this year that we would win a BCS game in OT on a FG. Amazing!
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Ugh, that was Georgia-esque.||
Ugh, that was Georgia-esque. Not cool.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Hoke and Borges, do not be||
Hoke and Borges, do not be like Georgia last night!
|2 years 36 weeks ago||No way that is a catch.||
No way that is a catch. Let's see if we get screwed.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Even if he had possesion||
Even if he had possesion (which he didn't), he landed out of bounds.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Win or lose, it's going to be||
Win or lose, it's going to be tough tomorrow at work. We looked like absolute shit tonight and there is no way of arguing against that.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Might have to give Countess||
Might have to give Countess some help. He is getting destroyed tonight.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Well, we are really fortunate||
Well, we are really fortunate to be tied. Let's see if we can steal one.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||I was thinking that we should||
I was thinking that we should have used our time outs once they got in FG range. We absolutely should have.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Getting tired of this crazy||
Getting tired of this crazy generous spots as well.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||The defense has been||
The defense has been embarassing the last two games. We still have a lot more work to do. Also, the Big Ten obviously wasn't very good this year.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Borges: We are averaging||
Borges: We are averaging less than 2 yards per carry when running the ball. Please call more pass plays. Thanks.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||The defense is spent. This||
The defense is spent. This is not going to end well for us.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Damn it! Another 3rd and||
Damn it! Another 3rd and long given up
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Yeah, the run game has been||
Yeah, the run game has been non-existent. Time for something else.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||The bend but don't break is||
The bend but don't break is back. Seems to be working so far.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Woo! Return of good Denard||
Woo! Return of good Denard on that pass!
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Ridiculous pick!||
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Not a good read there. The||
Not a good read there. The DB was clearly in his line of sight and had position. Wasn't a pick though.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||I think he is the long||
I think he is the long snapper, so you are almost certainly right.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Awesome. Long snapper catchs||
Awesome. Long snapper catchs a pass. How often does that happen?
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Feeling incredibly lucky to||
Feeling incredibly lucky to be leading this game. It is thievery.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Crazy-good heads up play||
Crazy-good heads up play there by Dileo to just chuck it up there.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Thank you VT for going for||
Thank you VT for going for the interception when you should have played the man there. It would have done you no good to pick the ball on 3rd and 17 that deep with that little clock left.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Thankfully, VT hasn't been||
Thankfully, VT hasn't been smart enough to continuously go after us via the pass. Clearly we can't stop them with any consistency. I'd like to thank VT for going all MANBALL on us.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Monster, monster stop! Let's||
Monster, monster stop! Let's hope that fires up the offense!
|2 years 36 weeks ago||If Kovacs can't make open||
If Kovacs can't make open field tackles, what hope do the rest of our guys have?
|2 years 36 weeks ago||This is going to be rough on||
This is going to be rough on the D tonight. Too many plays on defense already they are going to be wiped out in the 4th quarter unless we can we can get something going on offense.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||So much for the shaky kicker||
So much for the shaky kicker situation
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Three 3rd and 10+ conversions||
Three 3rd and 10+ conversions in a quarter. This defensive reversion to last year after the defensive let downs in the OSU game is maddening.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Fair enough, he'll make a||
Fair enough, he'll make a nice backup somewhere.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Should have been another pick||
Should have been another pick there. Gruden, Cousins as an NFL QB is almost laughable.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Both of these teams look like||
Both of these teams look like crap in OT. This is not good football.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Knee was down. How is the||
Knee was down. How is the receiver so wide open?
|2 years 36 weeks ago||WTH is Georgia doing?||
WTH is Georgia doing?
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Georgia playing not to lose.||
Georgia playing not to lose. Didn't work out so well.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||Amazing. It's like no one on||
Amazing. It's like no one on OSU has any understanding of clock management. No interest in getting out of bounds.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||OSU Record in Bowls against SEC||
So, it looks like OSU is pushing for that 0-10 record against the SEC in bowl games. Good luck with that fellas.
|2 years 37 weeks ago||Not just Michigan, any out of||
Not just Michigan, any out of state recruit. It's a negative recruiting advantage for all opposing coaches as long as they didn't do the same thing. Would be pretty effective on parents, I would think.
|2 years 40 weeks ago||Babylon 5 References!||
It's been a while since I saw a Babylon 5 reference, nice work!
|2 years 42 weeks ago||I disagree. Sure, he takes a||
I disagree. Sure, he takes a couple of shots here and there, but that's to be expected - he is a buckeye and he does have an audience to write to. Besides that though, he is usally pretty balanced. This week's writeup, however, was not up to recent standard. Take that in a good way, he can see what is coming and is a little bitter about it. I would be too if the situation was reversed.
|2 years 49 weeks ago||Indeed. Posey got paid $1050||
Indeed. Posey got paid $1050 for 'alleged work' of 21.5 hours. He really had no idea that that was fishy? Also, what about paying taxes? It doesn't explicity state it anywhere, but it kind of sounds like they didn't pay taxes on this income either.
Lastly, since it was a union shop, I doubt the jobs they allegedly had were available to the general public. You could easily argue that they only got these jobs in the first place because they were student-atheletes. I think that would be a violation as well.
I call shenanigans.
|2 years 49 weeks ago||Yeah, that would make sense.||
Yeah, that would make sense. I expect that someone is just trying to sound more sophisticated rather than being telegraphic with the terminology.
|2 years 49 weeks ago||As a brand marketer for a||
As a brand marketer for a major consumer package goods company with a Michigan MBA, I feel compelled to chime in.
Basically, as you think about customers and how you want to grow your business, typically you either try to grow household penetration (i.e. get more people to buy your products) or increase buy rate (i.e. get existing customers to buy more). When put into this context, fans are clearly the customers as they are the only people buying anything. The players are your employees that you use to improve your product and your brand. Obviously, in this case the employee compensation and work contracts are non-traditional in that student-atheletes get an education, a potential shot at the NFL, and other non-material things in exchange for a somewhat binding work contract. We are in competition with other companies (schools) for labor talent (players). Obviously, the school does not want to refer to student-atheletes as employees which might be why they are trying to call them the customers even though they are clearly not.
Mgobloggers and other rabid fans are part of the super-loyal or super-heavy subset of consumers. They probably already 'buy' as much
This, by the way, explains why you see some of the things that they are doing. They think about adding a mascot because they want to increase penetration (young kids). This is sometimes referred to as an entry point strategy. You want to get new buyers at the point that they are making a brand choice that will often last for life. From a marketing perspective, that is why it’s not as insane as it sounds. Obviously, this is horrifying to the super-loyals, but will they really go away because of it?
They need to do the quantitative market research to understand if the benefits outweigh the negative. I use the word quantitative here on purpose – several, one-off anecdotes aren’t that helpful. Is a mascot really all that motivating to young kids? Will adding a mascot deteriorate the brand such that
|2 years 49 weeks ago||Hopelessness and bitterness||
Hopelessness and bitterness too. I can't even begin to describe how happy I am that OSU fans are getting a taste of that.
They are in serious danger of having a losing season this year.
|2 years 49 weeks ago||Just 10,000+?||
I'd go so far as to say he deserves eleventy billion mgopoints. This is ridiculously awesome (and by awesome, I mean tremendous, of course)
|2 years 50 weeks ago||This is how ratings work||
They are always more based on record and scores than things like how teams actually look, especially early. If we're not that good (and we probably aren't), then it will show later. For now, enjoy the #11 spot and the effect it may have on new recruits. Hopefully a certain RB from Ohio takes notice.
|2 years 50 weeks ago||Could even be as high as #11||
|2 years 50 weeks ago||Could even be as high as #11||
Wouldn't be totally shocking to leapfrog Arkansas. Probably not justified, but 58-0 might sway some voters given how close their game was and we aren't very far behind in votes as it is. Somewhere between 11-13 is probably right. I would be surprised with 14 or lower.
|2 years 50 weeks ago||I recognize that the line is||
I recognize that the line is not the same thing as our chances to win, but setting that aside for a moment, it's hard to believe that our toughest game is at Michigan State. I like our chances to win that game a lot more than I do to beat Nebraska - at least as things stand right now.
|3 years 13 weeks ago||It is irrelevant whether they are friends or not||
When I tutored student atheletes at Pitt back in the day, I sometimes tutored the same kids for long enough that we were friends. I wasn't allowed to give them a ride across campus - even if I happened to be going to the same place. Also, if I brought a pizza for dinner (mmmm, cheap pizza) to the tutoring session, I couldn't give them the left-overs after I finished eating. I had to throw it away. Those were the rules in the late '90s, anyway.
|3 years 15 weeks ago||According to Zillow.com, that||
According to Zillow.com, that house is worth $51,500.
|3 years 16 weeks ago||I have to admit, I wouldn't||
I have to admit, I wouldn't have guessed that OSU was this high on the list. It just goes to show how you can become biased by rivalries.
|3 years 17 weeks ago||Great Diary!||
One thing to add:
Differing abilities across levels of the secondary could account for some of the variation in the data. So, for example, our secondary was terrible last year - lots of painful 3rd and 10+ yard conversions. That wasted any good play by our defensive line. A really bad line could have the same effect on a good secondary by never getting to the QB.
So, imbalanced ability across levels of the defense could cause underperformance while a perfectly balanced defense would result in better than average performance.
Obviously, this would tremendously complicate the analysis and I'm not expecting anyone to run it, but I thought I would mention it anyway.
|3 years 19 weeks ago||I hope it works out for him,||
I hope it works out for him, but this feels likely to be Donovan Warren 2.0
|3 years 20 weeks ago||No doubt. I was a little||
No doubt. I was a little nervous when Howland left and they gave the job to Dixon, but that might have been the greatest move in recent Pitt b-ball history.
|3 years 20 weeks ago||I can't wait to get back to||
I can't wait to get back to having defenses like that! I am starting to forget that a defense can actually stop other teams for no gains or have guys in the secondary bat away passes. Bring on Western!
|3 years 20 weeks ago||Another Pitt/Mich Alum here||
Agree with the above. The other bonus that Pitt would bring is a great b-ball program. They'd have to change their recruiting base as it would be tough for them to retain their NYC pipeline without the Big East tournament in MSG, but they should be able to do that.
|3 years 20 weeks ago||That would be extremely||
That would be extremely aggravating if that's all that happens to OSU/Tressel. After the nonsense we got with stretching-gate, they deserve to get hit with a much bigger hammer.
Still, I wouldn't be shocked if they managed to find a way to get much less than what they have coming to them. It's pretty clear that integrity is not their first concern here...
|3 years 20 weeks ago||Sadly, Only IE available at work||
Draconian 'security procedures' prevent me from using anything else (I had to complain just to get IE7!!!), so I guess I'm stuck with the Colors of Evil for now...
|3 years 21 weeks ago||I agree. More simply put :||
More simply put : TOP is correlative to winning, not causative.
These two things are not the same.
Edit: Beaten to it. I should have read further down before commenting.
|3 years 34 weeks ago||The only problem is that||
The only problem is that someone will need to convince Denard to scramble/take off more often. He really doesn't do that all that often. Feels like an easy thing to learn though.
|3 years 34 weeks ago||No, that is not true. Mallet||
No, that is not true. Mallet was already talking about transferring before RR came on board. It appears that he never really wanted to be here in the first place. RR talked to him on three separate occassions and tried to reassure him, but it just wasn't happening. You can not pin losing Mallet on RR being inflexible.
There is no way anyone would have preferred Threet/Sheridan to Mallet - regardless of the system that they run. Neither of those could run either and at the very least, Mallet was a way, way better passer (obviously).
|3 years 34 weeks ago||I wonder if we get||
I wonder if we get exclusivity on that for a while.
Also, love the Judge Dredd avatar.
|3 years 34 weeks ago||Perhaps Hoke thinks that WR||
Perhaps Hoke thinks that WR isn't a position of need for us. If that is the case, then it may indicate the usage of less WRs than under RR. Hopefully this doesn't mean a whole bunch of 2 WR sets.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||The kid wants to be a QB and||
The kid wants to be a QB and he has proven that he can be. His throwing game was light years better than the previous year. Let's not give up on him improving again yet.
Besides, if they tell him that he can't be a QB here and has to become a slot ninja/wildcat guy, he probably will transfer. He can go just about anywhere he wants now - spread-friendly places, anyway.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||Completely agree. It's||
Completely agree. It's especially concerning when you consider that Michigan is a great research university that continually pumps out new ideas, research, and inventions. Shouldn't our football program incorporate new ideas as we more forward?
This hire feels like: "Well, we tried the new way and it didn't work. Let's rush back to the old way because that was better than the new way. Also, let's forget that the old way appeared to be very unlikely to get us to the ultimate goals that we strive for."
Our CEO/AD should know that failure to innovate in the long term = failure/death. Let's hope that Hoke brings enough innovative thinking with him to push us forward to where we all want to get to.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||Kind of doesn't matter any more but...||
...an easier schedule and something like 20 returning starters - including not having to play freshmen all over the place in the secondary, especially at corner.
Seriously, we're set up to do well next year as long as the offense doesn't fall apart. And before anyone freaks out, I'm not saying that it will, but it could - particularly if Denard takes his talents elsewhere.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||School Choice||
I remember getting a lot of these as well. It likely is a positive sign based solely on GMAT scores, but that is only one part, of your profile. In any case, I strongly suggest ignoring them, especially if you are a career switcher going full time. Go to a top 10 school like Ross if you can get in. The education probably isn't that much different, but the doors that are open to you are much better and more plentiful - companies come to you rather than you having to go to them which is way harder to get in.
Also, the cost differences might seem like a big deal now, but it really won't afterwards.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||Also a Pitt/Michigan alum||
One likely problem that we'll have (that probably benefits Michigan) is that the Wannstache was a remarkably good recruiter. Pitt routinely pulled some skill guys at WR and RB that they really had no business getting. I think the game management will be a lot better better with Graham but it might be with less talent in the short-term - especially with the defections to the NFL. The Pitt athletic department has really gotten its act in gear with the b-ball team. Now it's time to get the football team going.
Also, I can't even express how happy I was that Pitt didn't move to the Big Ten. The last thing I wanted was a yearly matchups between Pitt and Michigan.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||Good luck!||
I really enjoyed my time at the B-school and met some great, life-long friends. I graduated in '05 and feel like the $100k I borrowed to go full time was some of the best money I ever spent.
|3 years 36 weeks ago||Probably true, but I rather||
Probably true, but I rather doubt he'd have a shot at Michigan after this fiasco.
|3 years 36 weeks ago||Well, he did come up with||
Well, he did come up with $100MM for the business school a few years ago so it wouldn't be a stretch to say that he does actually donate about that every once in a while.
|3 years 37 weeks ago||True, however...||
Assuming Michigan is anything like Pitt where I went to grad school and tutored student-athletes, they get all the help they could possibly use. Any kid in an athletic program has free access to all the tutoring that they could want. That includes help with homework and such - much of which is graded.
For the record, I really didn't like tutoring most of the kids in football and men's and women's b-ball. Many (but not all) of those kids didn't care about academics and took ridiculous classes like Pre-Algebra, the start of which was addition of three digit numbers. Things like: 324 + 797 = ?. Seriously? How is 7th/8th grade math a college math class?
Pitt isn't as good of a school as Michigan, but they aren't that far apart either. I bring all of this up because it really isn't all that difficult to get a 2.0 GPA when you are taking classes like these - even if you are practicing and working out as much as these kids do.
|3 years 37 weeks ago||Not as bad as it could have been||
I have been thinking about this too. I think it is relevant to DB's decision and might be a small part of why DB is waiting and what he will factor in.
It is completely reasonable to expect losses against the #5, #6, and #9 teams given the state of the program this year. We went 3-2 against other similar teams (UConn, Illinois, ND, Penn State, Iowa) and 4-0 against the rest.
Sure, we'd obviously like to do better, but with our secondary issues (Warren leaving early, Woolfolk's injury, some key didn't-make-its like Cissoko/Turner/Dorsey), a banged up Mike Martin, and a shank-tastic kicking game it's really not as bad as it could have been.
|3 years 38 weeks ago||Very little, if anything.||
Very little, if anything. UConn is brought up with some regularity this year in order to compare with Michigan, but everyone forgets (or doesn't mention) that this was the first time anyone saw this year's version of Denard. UConn got destroyed by Denard. Every other team had the benefit of scouting and could gameplan a bit against Denard.
For this reason, it is also troubling that many people here seem to think 'we would have gone undeated in the Big East' this year. I don' t think that would have been the case. The Big East is worse than usual this year, but the Big East has a surprisingly good record in bowl games in the BCS era (36-23).
But enough about the Big East. Let's Go Blue!
|3 years 39 weeks ago||I disagree. I would prefer||
I disagree. I would prefer the 5 star because once they get in the school they will become more invested in it. I understand the point you are trying to make, but generally speaking the kid will come to love the school (assuming he is playing, no extra troubles, etc.)
Reasonable people could disagree of course, especially given the mass defections when RR came on board, but I think most of those were because the new system put them at a disadvantage in terms of playing time or that they had to work harder than they did under Lloyd.