|3 weeks 5 days ago||Dean||
First off, I feel for the kid. Either way here, he is the loser.
Second, I think people on either side of the debate should back off their soap boxes for the time being until Urban is asked about this. For those defending Urban, there is no way to say with certainty what this kid's medical status is. This applies to those attacking Urban, too. I know this is a convenient time to cry foul, but very few people know the actual state of this kid's knee. I've had friends tear everything in their knee and be able to return to a sport the next season. I've also had teammates who've been told to hang em up after one serious knee injury. Every athlete's body is different and only they and their families and doctors can say what is best for them.
No matter what, a kid's dream of playing football at OSU is over, either by injury or coach's call. No one should take any joy in this moment.
|4 weeks 1 hour ago||3 RBs||
It's honestly likely that all 3 will see the field at the same time. Think of it this way:
Walker = Elliott
Hill = Marshall
McCall = Wilson
In OSU's offense, all 3 of those plays can run the ball, but all 3 have slightly different positions. This is how the OSU staff views them.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Injuries||
Reeves did play in the Championship, but I don't know if he was injured again in any way during that game. They haven't announced anything specific yet, but I know the kid struggled with injury and missed multiple games this year because of it. So it's not like the kid was being forced to play week after week while the OSU staff knew he had an injury. When the medical staff cleared him to play, he played. When they didn't clear him, he didn't dress this season. Beyond that, no one besides Reeves, his family, and the program know when he was or wasn't injured or cleared. So to imply Meyer did anything "shady" in regards to Reeves is unfounded in fact.
I don't remember off the top of my head if Tanner played in the Championship. I know he was dinged all season and he may have worsened an injury at some point. You or I don't know the details, so it's pointless to say anything definitive.
Bogard's injuries are well known and discussed.
What is known, is that all three were contributers. Your statement , "if he didn't believe that someone else in that roster spot could contribute more?" doesn't make sense to me, because even if he thought someone coming on to the team could take their spot, it makes no sense to push them off them team over a 4th or 5th stringer. What your saying is that Meyer is willing to keep guys who can't even crack the rotation on special teams, but not the guys who earned game minutes? These are the three he is "cutting"? That's nonsense. Even if these guys lose their spot, they are more likely to contribute than many other guys on the team, especially if the guy who beat them gets injured. If Meyer was going to cut three players, it'd be three that never saw the field.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Meyer||
I haven't seen any cases yet where the player seemed to legitimately be pushed out. If Meyer was going to "push" someone out to make room, he has plenty of guys who have never even set foot on the field who he could use instead of 3 guys who have contributed. Tanner and Bogard are two of our best Special Teams players and Reeves was our starting nickel this year. No coach pushes out contributors. When you see it happen at Bama or wherever, it's 4th or 5th stringers who got "injured" in practice, not guys getting injured during key games like the Big Ten championship.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||Weber||
I really feel for the kid. It was obvious he was under a ton of pressure. It sounds like everyone around him was pushing him to go Michigan, but he had built a strong relationship with the OSU staff over time. Like has been said above, mind vs heart. It had to be the hardest thing he's ever done to announce in front of all the locals that he's leaving home, but I'm glad he made the decision for him.
I don't buy the excuse about Higdon at all, either. The RB room at OSU is stacked and Weber knows that as well as anyone. That was just a convenient reason he could give to take some heat off of him and I don't blame him one bit. I'm sure he's gotten hell the last two weeks and will probably keep getting it.
|17 weeks 20 hours ago||Nike v Adidas||
Let's be honest...is that extra few million $ going to really hurt Michigan? Speaking as someone who often coaches/works with teenagers, these kids view Nike as Ferrari and Adidas as Hyundai. It absolutely has an effect on recruiting and perception. After all, Nike just had one of the biggest on field commercials ever with the college football playoffs. 9 of the top 10 teams in the playoff rankings wore Nike this year, and kids notice.
Outside of that, fans/alumni do care. I'll be disgusted if OSU ever leaves Nike.
Does Michigan need the money that bad?
|17 weeks 2 days ago||Ed Warriner||
As long as OSU has Warinner coaching the OL, OSU's offense will never truly be shut down. Maybe slowed, but he is too good at molding O-Linemen. Recruits have noticed, too, and OSU's OL recruiting will only continue to be top notch while he's there.
|20 weeks 3 days ago||Coaching||
In my post, I addressed how the revisit made me really examine the differences in talent evaluation/development. Talent out of high school was probably a very small gap if any, but Urban's staff makes that talent mature and grow. Hoke's didn't. Talent can only go so far in sport like football.
|20 weeks 3 days ago||The Cold||
Honestly, your remark about the spread in November is curious since the OSU offense has put up 40+ against UM at the end of November the last two years. Also, the offense had no problem moving the ball against Minnesota in a 15 degree snow storm. I think you should re watch that game. The final score was much closer than the contest, mainly due to two Marshall turnovers. One, he fumbled while going into the end zone and the other, he muffed a punt on OSU's 12. Both were recovered by Minnesota. I also think that you must not have been watching the OSU offense much the last two years, as it has been more ManBall than UM's.
Also agree on the cyclical nature of college football. That's one of the best things about it, the roster completely turns over every few years. Michigan will have a stretch on top again.
|20 weeks 3 days ago||I don't really know how you||
I don't really know how you came to that conclusion, but I hope you have a great day.
|20 weeks 3 days ago||OSU Defense||
I don't disagree at all with you on the OSU defense. I think the coaching advantage of Mattison really shows in how he could make the unit much greater than the sum of its parts. Even so, the OSU D improced quite a bit from the year before with Ash calling things and a ton of underclassmen. I gotta think year two for him will have another jump.
Also agree in the speed at skill positions. While Meyer and Hoke have both been recruiting at a very high level as far as recruiting sites are concerned, Meyer was obviously recruiting very different types of players. Hoke was recruiting like it's 2001.
|20 weeks 3 days ago||The Game||
I think it's not hard to say that UM was the hungrier team the last two years coming into the game. They played with more motivation and fire than they did the rest of the year, easily. I aslo think that Hoke and his staff made it obvious that they were game-planning for Ohio State all year. UM always seemed more prepared against OSU than any other opponent. Hoke's greatest strength was that he got the rivalry, but it may have also been a huge weakness for him. His teams looked so bad against schools like Rutgers, but then came out and were ready to go against OSU.
|20 weeks 3 days ago||Comparison||
RB - I don't think you realize how good Elliott was this year. He averaged 6.5ypc and ran for 1400 yards. He also caught 26 passes for over 200 yards. To put that in perspective, he had more catches than Jake Butt. With 4 new O-Linemen.
Defense - So, you wouldn't take Michael Bennett (All-American), Doran Grant (All-Conference), Darron Lee (Strong-Side LB, 13.5 TFL, 5.5 sacks, 2 INT), Josh Perry (Weak-Side LB, 113 tackles, 1 INT, 8.5 TFL, 3 sacks) , or Vonn Bell over their counterparts at UM? Why?
|20 weeks 3 days ago||LB||
The LB for me was tougher, but at the end of the day, it came down to what would I rather have:
a corps that was solid against the run, gave up the occasional big play, but made a lot of sacks, TFL, INT, and fumbles
a corps that was very good against the run, was generally in positionon any given play, but made almost no game-changing plays.
The UM LB corps had one INT and 2 forced fumbles. They weren't getting sacks much either. They were obviously well-coached (Mattison>Fickell), but they never seemed to be the catalyst between winning/losing. They were just constantly plugging holes. Now, I'm not saying this is in anyway bad, but I'd just take the occasional long run given up to go along with the more frequent big plays they made.
|20 weeks 3 days ago||This||
So much this. I am completely shocked that he has done nothing.
|20 weeks 3 days ago||LB's||
I think most would agree that Hull was the best LB in the conference this year. Ryan was still great, but I don't think he ever made it fully back to his former self from the injury. That combined with eith position swap limited him some. He wasn't nearly as explosive to my eyes. Ross didn't do anything of note that I saw. OSU's LB's played young and undisciplined, but also made a ton of big plays - combined for 33 TFL and had as many INT as UM's team combined.
|20 weeks 3 days ago||Not trying to gloat, I just||
Not trying to gloat, I just enjoyed the discussion and analysis in my original thread. I'm really hoping to get thoughts on your roster's future.
|20 weeks 6 days ago||Academics||
I have no problem saying that UM is ahead of OSU academically. It is one of the finest public institutions in the world and I'm proud that I can say we strive to compete with the best. But let's be honest... there isn't a "bad" school in the Big Ten. Academics will always mean more to our conference than the rest of the power 5.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||I already said OSU shouldn't||
I already said OSU shouldn't be the #4 team. You're just proving my point that any team's struggles or losses can be explained away if you try. And rarely would anyone on MGoBlog ever "say what I want them to say". Most posters on here do comment rationally, though, present company excluded.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||See, the problem is that you||
See, the problem is that you can explain away any team's losses or struggles if you try. For example, OSU:
VT- second game for 4 new OL, RB (who played well), 2 WR, and RFr QB against a veteran coaching staff and defense who has since been hit hard by injuries.
Penn State- JT sprained his MCL before half when OSU was up 17-0. After the injury, the coaches went ultra conservative and still pulled out a win against a great defense in a tough environment.
Minnesota- played in a 15 degree snow storm on the road. OSU statistically dominated the game, but had 2 freak turnovers inside its own 20 and fumbled another while going into the end zone. All resulted in a score much closer than the game actually was.
Indiana- OSU got up 14-0 within 5 minutes and relaxed the week before playing Michigan. Had a WR fumble inside our 30 which gave Indiana life and then Tevin Coleman busted two long TD runs. Otherwise he was held to less than 3.5 yards a carry. OSU woke up in the 4th and ran away with the game.
Michigan- should need no explanation as to why OSU got a game from UM.
You can do this with any team in the country. I could even throw out the blanket statement that OSU's playmakers are predominately freshman and sophomores. At the end of the day, your arguments come off as biased and sour grapes, lacking reasoned thought. A lot of your fellow UM fans on here are saying the same.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Logic||
You've been very emotional, yes, but you haven't logically explained why Texas, WVU, OK State, etc. are good or statement wins.
ESNY's post above sums up my thoughts perfectly.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||OSU||
Ohio State is not a top 4 team with Jones at QB. They won't pass TCU and shouldn't. No team with their third string QB should.
Logically, though, why is TCU's schedule so much better than OSU's? K-State was an impressive win, but more impressive than MSU? They barely clipped Oklahoma at home who is a decent team. They also barely beat Kansas who is terrible. OK State is average. Beating Texas by a ton is commonplace these days. Look at what BYU did to them. The Minny game was a good win at home. From Jerry Kill's own mouth, Minny shot themselves in the foot that whole game. OSU went to Minny and won in a blizzard. Is that less impressive? Ohio State got more of a game from Michigan than Vegas expected. Why does that surprise a Wolverine fan? WVU was a decent win, I guess, but the only reason anyone has given them any credit is because they gave Bama a game. They didn't win, but they played well. Other than that, WVU has done a lot of meh.
|22 weeks 6 days ago||Almost every team since VT||
Almost every team since VT has tried the same game plan to some extent. OSU adjusted and it doesn't work anymore. In fact, OSU has torched the bear D every time it's been trotted it since.
|23 weeks 4 days ago||Not really...||
I'd say this has a lot more to do with being scared of Wisconsin or a potential playoff opponent than UM...
|24 weeks 13 hours ago||Clark||
Brian, my main question for you is would you feel this way for a player who beat his girlfriend/wife/whatever that didn't play for Michigan?
I feel no sympathy for anyone who chooses to assault another human being out of anger. It is never the least bit excusable. And while you aren't excusing the action, you are excusing the person who chose the action and I cannot agree. I won't say Clark is a terrible human, but it takes a certain kind of man to beat a (potentially) pregnant woman. Bad upbringing? Whatever, he still has a choice. My Dad grew up in an abusive children's home and didn't believe he'd live to see 15. He had plenty of violent urges, but never acted on them. He doesn't deserve a medal, but I can say he's a better man than Frank Clark.
Also, you'll call someone an asshole for calling a woman-beater a waste, but not the actual woman-beater? Noted.
|24 weeks 13 hours ago||Probably my favorite MGoBlog||
Probably my favorite MGoBlog comment ever.
|26 weeks 1 day ago||Look closer||
Out of those 3, one was in a year of the worst OSU team of my lifetime (which he lost to) and the next was because OSU and PSU were ineligible and he finished behind both in the division. It's not like he was lighting the Big 10 on fire.
|26 weeks 1 day ago||Yes, please||
Please, Lord, make this happen.
-signed, every Ohio State fan
|27 weeks 21 hours ago||Scut||
He had yellow eyes. YELLOW EYES!
|30 weeks 1 day ago||Food for Thought||
Shane Morris' completion percentage for his high school career. Never had a season higher than 54% and started all four years (IIRC). And yes I know he missed half of his senior year. Before he went out, he had 6 TDs and 6 INTs. He honestly was the most overrated QB in that class. Yes, mono and so on. But the kid really wasn't as good as his ranking.
|31 weeks 1 hour ago||Nuss||
I don't know why you would consider him an offensive guru. At Alabama, he had 5 stars at every position and they don't do anything fancy, they just line up and beat you. And Alabama didn't even try to stop him from leaving (assuming he wasn't told to leave), they opened the door for him and waved.
|31 weeks 1 hour ago||UM||
And so passeth a worthy opponent.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Minny||
You all will beat Minnesota next week. They are the best possible team for UM because of the match ups. They have no passing game and your D will own them. UM will win by multiple scores and some false hope will be injected.
|32 weeks 4 days ago||Spence||
I struggle saying if barring him from the team is the right thing to do or not. I don't really buy the "he's got a medical issue/addiction", but I do know that the way Urban handled it with Spence's family makes it seem like there's more going on. I also don't think Spence is out there repping with the first team. "Practicing" can mean a lot of different things and Urban certainly isn't going to waste reps on someone who most likely won't play this year. If I have to guess, Spence is scout teaming it or doing drill work.
I would honestly say the Hyde suspensions were harsher than the Mewhort/Stoneburner punishments. Hyde really lost out on some opportunities because of it and had to beat out multiple players to start again. He was never actually charged with anything, but Urban made him sit anyway.
|32 weeks 4 days ago||Tress||
Personally, Tress was much worse on discipline. He gave guys ridiulous amounts of chances.
Ramzy wrote a great piece on it:
|32 weeks 4 days ago||Agreed||
You're right, he's our coach and every fanbase is blindly supportive to a point.
Honestly, I know the man isn't a saint. He is as ruthless as they get when it comes to winning, which winning big in college requires. But I know that if we start getting the arrest record that Florida had, me and most of the fans I know will demand answers.
|32 weeks 4 days ago||NCAA Standards||
What you posted is actually the consequences for failing an NCAA drug test. Above the table in that link it clearly states:
Consequences of a Positive NCAA Drug Test:
Michigan's policy is much more lenient -
- The first offense results in a 10-percent forfeiture of one's season. The second is 33 percent of the year and the third means the player will miss the entire season.
10-percent of a football season is a game and half, so Spence's 3 games was much worse for his first offense.
|32 weeks 4 days ago||So...||
So when Urban suspends a player when the Big Ten wouldn't he's a liar and a douchebag and when the Big Ten suspends a player who fails their test, Urban is somehow a liar and a douchebag? And I don't blame OSU and the Spence family for challenging it, their kid said he was slipped something. Any parent/coach would stick up for the kid, especially when he's had no past issues.
It's no different than any other school who says they will handle punishment when all the facts are processed. The Big Ten and OSU will make a decision on Spence probably within the next few days, most likely ending his college career. Most Buckeye fans I know don't expect him to play another game at OSU.
|32 weeks 4 days ago||Link||
No worries, it's to be expected. I enjoy the conversation.
I have to say it, though - MGoBlog is better than Matt Hayes links.
But the article doesn't really confirm much for me other than what I already said. Meyer has improved his discipline and handle of the team at Ohio State. I haven't found an article yet that talks about him sweeping major NCAA violations under the rug with any kind of evidence. The Hayes article has a lot of he said/he said and states known facts like Florida's arrest record to try to make it seem more concrete, but very little meat. There are a lot of quotes labeled as being from "former players" or "sources".
Florida under Urban was obviously a problem. Too many arrests, too many problems handled "in-house". Ohio State under Urban has been quite different. Until he proves otherwise, I'm not going to call the man a "deal with the devil".
|32 weeks 4 days ago||Bare Minimum||
He was suspended for 3 games (Clemson and VT would've been 2 of the biggest games of his career and we lost both) for his first failure and his suspension is still up in the air for his second... how is that bare minimum?
|32 weeks 4 days ago||Stretch||
I would classify keeping your starting LT and TE away from the team until the season started as putting the team in danger of losing games. Especially since they had not played a single game in Urban's system yet.
As for your second paragraph, that's strictly opinion and since I don't personally know the man I can't counter it. And even if I could, I doubt it would change your mind.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||Wait and See||
It means he's waiting to see what the decision from OSU/Big Ten should be before he cuts the kid off.
And if you don't care about mild drug use, how does Spence practicing make competition unfair and unequal? If you're referring to the Mitch McGary suspension, that was from the NCAA and has nothing to do with Urban. Your gripe should be with the NCAA.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||Links?||
|32 weeks 5 days ago||Florida Discipline||
I agree that while at Florida he had a lot of off the field issues and wasn't as rigid on discipline as he should have been, but now going on 3 seasons at OSU, it hasn't been an issue. In fact, I think some OSU fans would say he's been too heavy-handed with most situations in an effort to stem any trends. The Mewhort and Stoneburner suspension surprised a lot of people for how hard he came down for peeing outside.
I don't see the "deal with the devil" as Meyer has not had a history with major NCAA issues and has obviously handled discipline well for 3 years. I was a little worried when he was first hired, but I don't think Meyer will suddenly change his stance on it either just to "win at all costs". For example, he could have cleared the Hyde suspension after no charges came down, but he didn't, and it may have cost Hyde the Heisman.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||Honest Question...||
I know the big thing on here is "Urban is a douchebag who lets his players get away with everything!", but I don't see how his stance on discipline has been less than anything Hoke has done. Spence sat his three games and then it came out that he failed another test. OSU/the Big Ten haven't announced anything yet on next steps, so Urban is in wait-and-see mode. How is this different than what Hoke did with Toussaint? He let him practice with the team before suspending him from the Alabama game:
|32 weeks 5 days ago||Clarification||
OSU was in no way trying to score. It was 4th down and rather than punt with 6 seconds left on the clock, Urban told Cardale to kill time with his legs and then heave it out of bounds. Cardale has a cannon and by the time the ball came down, the clock had run out. The announcers discussed this strategy before the play and the cameras even caught Urban talking to Jones about it before the snap. The ball landed 5 yards out of bounds, so it was not exactly an attempt for a score.
OSU could have scored 100 easily in this game if they wanted to, but they spent the entire second half running up the middle on almost every down. They also started putting back ups in during the third series.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||PSU Fans||
Now if you can get your fans to be as civil as other fans are to you:
Penn State fans are the worst I've encountered in 30+ road games in the Big Ten.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||Context||
This takes the quote out of context. Here's the full quote:
|33 weeks 5 days ago||Trolls||
I try to post reasonably and civilly and generally only do from time to time when I am interested in a specific discussion. As a visitor, which I will always consider myself, I find trolls here almost as annoying as I would at 11W. I am here for the discussion and true trolls ruin it.
Although, there are some here who probably consider me a troll.
|34 weeks 2 hours ago||Competition||
Whatever coach came would be facing a dug-in Franklin, Dantonio, and Meyer in the West. Not to mention revamped recruiting competition from Kelly at ND. He'd also be inheriting Hoke's worst recruiting class since his first. You already lost your top two commits and Chris Clark has said he will start taking visits. The cubbard is not much more stocked now talent-wise than it was when Hoke got there, although everyone wants to believe it is. Year 4 and that 'talent' isn't making a dent.
|34 weeks 2 hours ago||PSU||
I don't think PSU is a "better" job, but it was more attractive. Franklin and O'Brien had a free pass to build their teams slowly no matter their records because 1) the sanctions and 2) Penn State doesn't hold the cache of Michigan. Penn State fans may think it does, but the rest of college football doesn't put them in the same category historically. Also, Penn State is in a better state for recruiting with no in-state rival and more D1 players. PSU also historically has good access to recruits in Virginia, New Jersey, and Maryland. They can also pay just as much as Michigan. Finally, they don't HAVE to beat ND, MSU, and OSU for their season to be considered a success, at least not for the near future.
Any coach brought in by Michigan will have national attention constantly and be expected to win and soon. If Hoke is fired and Michigan's next coach can't return the team to prominence within the first few years, Michigan will have had roughly a 15 year stretch of mediocrity. No recruits will remember UM's glory years and the program will have faded into the background, maybe permanently. What coach wants that pressure with an uphill battle in recruiting, academics, and competition? Sure someone will, but not a top 10 guy. Michigan is not more attractive than Texas A&M, South Carolina, Florida, UCLA, Auburn, etc.
|34 weeks 5 hours ago||Tough Spot||
Hoke is in no tougher a spot than any other multimillionaire coach of a big time program.
|34 weeks 5 hours ago||Bravo to you, sir||
This is one of the best MGoBlog comments I've ever read.
|34 weeks 21 hours ago||Beating OSU||
Not being a homer, but I find it curious that any UM fan expects Hoke to win big road games at this point.
|34 weeks 21 hours ago||Hoke||
It's obvious to pretty much every non-UM fan I know that Brady Hoke will never win a National Title. That should tell UM fans all they need to know about whether to keep him or not.
Can Brady go 9-3 or 8-4 this year? Sure. Is that good enough for Michigan in year 4 of a coach's tenure?
|34 weeks 1 day ago||Question...||
First a note: I will get negged to oblivion for this, but I'm not trolling or trying to be a dick.
Is Michigan still a destination job? I'm hoping for unbiased, thought out answers. I think it is no longer a top-level destination. The last 7 years have done a lot of harm to Michigan's perception nationally. Obviously, money is not an issue in a coaching search, but Michigan has a lot of factors stacked against it: The Big Ten blows, Dave Brandon, uphill batlle against its 3 biggest rivals who are all ahead roster-wise, not known as a recruiting hotbed, high school kids now weren't alive when Michigan last won a title...
I don't see a Miles, Harbaugh, or Sumlin level coach coming to UM unless they throw out highest-in-America money.
|35 weeks 4 days ago||OSU Secondary||
Never said they'd be fine, just that if they aren't, it's not for lack of talent.
I do expect a better secondary this year, though, if for no other reason than that it can't get much worse. I don't think Ash is a cure-all, but I do think there were obvious scheme/coaching issues last year. Clemson and Michigan screened us to death and the D coaches couldn't seem to figure it out. I expect OSU to make a fair amount of improvement against the pass, but they certainly won't be dominant like some fans are expecting. If nothing else, the D-Line will be one year older and more experienced so I expect them to cause even more havoc.
In regards to last year's highly rated, highly panned players, I think it's fair to say that Pitt Brown is worse than Von Bell (who started over him as a true freshman in the Orange Bowl) and Cam Burrows because he couldn't even sniff heavy minutes until he was a red-shirt senior. Even then, it was only due to injuries in front of him. Both of these guys are true sophomores battling for starting spots in a secondary with not much less depth than what Brown had to compete against. That convinces me these guys are getting it sooner than Brown ever did.
|35 weeks 4 days ago||Webb||
Webb is a true freshman and the coaches want him to get stronger. They've been impressed with his coverage skills, though.
|35 weeks 4 days ago||Safeties are young, but loaded||
Safeties are young, but loaded. Tyvis Powell (game-clinching INT in last year's Game) is starting at one spot and Vonn Bell and Cam Burrows are competing for the other. They are all large, fast guys. Bell and Burrows were both top 30-type players and got playing time last year. Their backups are senior Ron Tanner, who has been serviceable, and Erick Smith, true freshman out of Glenville who has really impressed the coaches with his coverage and willingness to bring the wood.
If OSU has a repeat of last year's secondary, it won't be for lack of talent.
|35 weeks 4 days ago||Not untrue||
But I believe it has more to do with their talent. Urban is a fan of both. Afterall, they're both large, athletic, highly rated CBs. 5 and 4 star respectively. Competing against each other appears to have brought out the best in each.
|38 weeks 1 day ago||Green, Kalis, Thomas||
John Cooper wasn't the best coach ever, but he was a great talent evaluator. This quote by him applies:
"If a dog's gonna bite, he's gonna bite as a pup"
From watching Michigan last year, Smith was the better runner compared to Green, so I'm not surprised there. But it's head scratching that Kalis and Thomas aren't performing. I thought Thomas would be a game changer for you guys.
|40 weeks 1 hour ago||Enough||
Enough to go 12-2.
|40 weeks 23 hours ago||O-Line||
From my perspective, the view on UM's season comes down to the OL and nothing else. If they don't improve, any offensive talent won't matter. And UM's D is not overpowering enough to win 10+ games on their own. Also, replacing what UM lost on the OL is going to be difficult.
|45 weeks 4 days ago||This pic is hillarious. Gotta||
This pic is hillarious. Gotta admit that the Ohio mascot kid had balls.
But I have to throw in, this was his second attempt. On the first attempt, this happened:
|50 weeks 1 day ago||This is, frankly, strange. A||
This is, frankly, strange. A Michigan State alum I work with joined via the groupon just so he can mock Michigan fans who've always lauded the benefits of the Michigan network to him. If this was Ohio State, I'd be upset.
|50 weeks 5 days ago||Gardner||
I absolutely agree that Gardner could thrive in OSU's system. The play calling would be different and it would be interesting to see if the OSU WRs would be up to the task because you have to think more passing plays and less read option would be called.
On the flip side, I don't think any QB was going to thrive for Borges last year. End of the day, I like Braxton better for our system. He brings an X-Factor that opposing defenses have to account for that I don't think Gardner can bring. We'll never know.
|50 weeks 5 days ago||This||
I've done a lot of work in wealth management and can say that doctors and lawyers seem to have a higher percentage of financial idiots than other professions. I've had a number that made in the mil a year range and had less than 10k in savings.
|50 weeks 5 days ago||This is exactly the kind of post||
This is exactly the kind of post I was hoping for. I had forgotten about all of UM's LBs and the production from Countess and Taylor. Alright, you've convinced me, I'll call both of those for UM and edit my OP.
The QB spot, I'm still in disagreement. I think UM fans underate Braxton as a passer. He isn't Manning or Brady, but he's made huge strides since his freshman year. Sure part of that is because his running ability opens up opportunites, but that's part of his overall package. And I can't penalize him for having a better RB and OL than Gardner. Everything people say about Gardner is somewhat a "what if?" because with his OL we haven't been able to see him really put it together. That doesn't mean I'm going to assume he would be the outright best QB in the Big Ten, though.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Thanks||
I 'preciate it.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Hypothetical||
I have to ask the question, based on your last sentence... how long does Hoke have before being fired and what is the breaking point? Is it two more years without a Big Ten title or something more along the lines of 2 more years of 7-5 or worse? Really, what does Michigan's record need to be for him to keep the job.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Arvada BW3||
There's a Bdubs in Arvada that is owned by a Buckeye alum. He sections off a chunk of the place for OSU fans on game days and offers discounts. The servers all wear OSU (they know how to get tips) on game day and there is Buckeye memorabilia everywhere. Plus, he opens the place at 9:00am on gamedays when OSU kicks at 12:00EST. Other fans are always welcome, too...we've had fans from 30-40 other schools in with us and it's perfectly fine. Even UM fans.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||I do||
Absolutely agreed. That's the main reason I posted this here instead of 11W. You guys know the UM players and the trends from spring better than I do.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||DL Depth||
Most expect OSU to go 8-10 deep on the DL easily. The wave after the starters is:
DE - Jamal Marcus/Tyquan Lewis
DT - Tommy Schutt
DT - Michael Hill/Joel Hale
DE - Steve Miller
Hill and Lewis do not have game time yet (redshirts), but both had awesome springs and will play. Marcus is a beast athlete who most fans don't consider a big dropoff from Noah Spence. He and Tommy Schutt have starting experience. Miller has played a lot of snaps the last two years. He is good at either DE position and had 3 sacks off the bench last year.
A note on Hale is that he may be switching to OL. He played a good amount of spring there, but has starting experience on the DL and will probably switch back if he doesn't crack the 2-deep on OL. He's a true hole plugger at DT.
All in all, this is probably the deepest and most talented DL at OSU in my lifetime.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Congrats||
Hope everyone is happy and healthy
|50 weeks 6 days ago||LB/CB||
I'll gladly concede the LB comparison once I see that Ryan is back to being able to play 100mph. He's the most proven LB between the two teams, easily.
The CB group at Michigan is solid, but not great. I don't think they frighten any other teams. Peppers, if he plays CB, has the talent to be an early All-American. Same if he plays S. I just didn't know where he will play, plus I have a harder time attributing that much to someone who isn't on campus yet. I didn't factor any OSU recruits in either.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Analysis||
It's not, it's completely subjective. A big part of comparing UM and OSU's underperforming units is that I think OSU can fix the secondary sooner/easier than UM can fix the OL.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Limited Options||
To his credit, he only lived in Alabama until he was 5. Ironically, he lived in Detroit for the next 20 years.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Fanbases||
I agree with what you say about opposite fanbases mostly. I took the Nebraska fans thoughts more seriously because he is in-conference and has seen our teams the last few years. Other fanbases are less biased tham I am, though, so that's why I wanted any feedback I could get.
As far as the RBs go, half of my choice to give OSU the edge is from going on what I saw. I watched every UM game last year and none of the RBs impressed me much. I liked Deveon Smith the best and thought he needed more carries. But between him and Rod Smith, who has seen game time against Big Ten teams, and Deveon and EE, I'd take the OSU backs on potential. Unfortunately, both teams have inexperienced RBs so it's not as easy as comparing Hyde and Fitz would have been. So just on sight alone, that was my feel.
Slightly related, is Green going to be in better shape this year?
|50 weeks 6 days ago||This||
This is a great post. I completely crapped the bed and forgot TE. I agree with your assessment there.
Your last paragraph is pretty spot on, too. This is a hard analysis to do because of the youth and coaching aspects.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||RDT||
If I remember right, didn't a lot of people like RDT at first? And I don't think I post enough for that.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Both||
I agree with you. I don't like devolving it down to recruting stars as we all know they aren't the be all end all. I tried to use a mixture of performance, perceived talent (read: recruit stars), and perceived athleticism. 2 of those are completely subjective. I know it makes my post weaker, but I mainly wanted to get feedback and discussion and to learn about what UM fans think of your roster.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Subjective||
My entire post is completely opinion. To try to cut down on the homerism, I got feedback from three coworkers (Oregon, Nebraska, and Alabama fans) before posting and they thought I was spot on.
Honestly, I don't think there is a fanbase in America besides UM that would say Gardner and Miller are a wash.
Here are the RB comparisons:
Every Ohio State back has a better average than every UM back. Yes we had a better line, but our 3rd stringer has better stats than your starters. And UM is all about the Pro, Manball game
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Braxton||
I think Gardner has slightly better passing talent, but makes worse decisions. His interception numbers show that. Running-wise, Braxton has a much bigger gap in talent. He is one of the most dangerous open field runners in college football. I do agree with you that Gardner may be a better pro prospect, though, as Braxton is more talented for the college game, but doesn't translate as well to the NFL.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Urban||
I believe the original heart attack scare he had because my grandfather had the exact same situation happen. He was having heart attack symptoms and when we took him to the hospital he was given the same answer that Urban was given. The following year, when he stepped down for good, I don't know. Whether it was truly for health, or maybe family reasons, or maybe the grind of the SEC, I would believe any or all of them. Something had obviously taken a toll on him because he looked like he'd aged ten years in two. I know some people throw out the "Urban was having an affair" rumor and I honestly would believe that, too. I have a buddy with some insight into the program and he says there is a definite difference between Urban at Florida and Urban now at Ohio State. That he's looser/happier. Whatever it was, Urban needed a change and we were on the winning end of it.
|50 weeks 6 days ago||Defense||
I don't disagree at all. I think it's a strong indictment of OSU's defensive coaching last year. The secondary was never in sync with the rest of the D and they rarely adjusted. The Orange Bowl proved this perfectly. Just looking at talent alone, there was no way UM should have been a better D than OSU last year. We had two first rounders fergodsakes.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Hypothetical||
If my kid had an offer from UM and wanted to go, I wouldn't try to dissuade him. UM is a great school academically and he would have great opportunities after. That would be my first priority. If he asked me what I thought about Hoke, I'd express concern that he may not be there, but I wouldn't worry about it as much because he'd still get a great education at UM no matter who the coach is.
And OSU will never keep every kid from leaving. OSU will keep most of the ones they want, but there will always be the occasional kid who wants to do something different.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||3....||
3. I get the opinion that Hoke can't close from here. Seems like everyone here complains that Hole never fills those last few spots with the big names he's targeting and posters say he doesn't close.
4. The expectation wasn't for 2 championships because we weren't eligible for the post season Urban's first year. He exceeded expectations by going undefeated, though. And Hoke is a good coach, but no matter what he won't have as long a leash with recruits as Urban. Urban's got proven national success.
I agree with you overall, I wasn't trying to imply Hoke won't recruit well. But I do want Michigan fans' opinions on it. Do you think Hoke is kept on if they go 7-6 again?
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Honest Question...||
Do you all think the gig is up on Hoke and recruiting? In the past, he has landed the meat of his classes early, including the top guys. He has not showed himself as a closer. Do you think the last two seasons have caught up to him with recruits?
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Of course.||
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Wimbush||
Ohio State seems to be pushing hardest for 5* Torrance Gibson now. I'd have to say he is our #1 choice. After that, Wimbush and Lorenzo Nunez out of GA are OSU's other main pursuits. It also seems OSU is looking to take 2 QB's this year.
Wimbush is an awesome kid and a great prospect. Would love for him to be in scarlet and gray.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Hoke||
I guess I shouldn't assume you would consider it a major issue. I know our fanbase would consider it a big problem if a player is facing a university investigation and Urban didn't know. As you stated, Gibbons had games left in his career that he would miss. And while the University is being tight-lipped to the public, what reason would they have to not keep his coach in the loop? It's a major issue to me because if Hoke didn't know, it means there isn't communication between the administration and the coaching staff about players.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Your Comment||
I don't disagree. But there's a time for everything and I just don't think now is the time for that retort. Many in other fanbases would look at your comment as a sour grapes, "Hey they do it too" sentiment. I apologize for the confusion, that's why I phrased it as not being the time for "anything that resembles" that type of comment.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Hoke||
I mean this in the politest way possible; if Hoke didn't know that Gibbons was being considered for expulsion, that's a major issue. Also, calling an expulsion by the school due to sexual assault a "family issue" is a shame. An that's exactly what Hoke did for the bowl game. Yes, I suppose it is an issue for Gibbons' family, but as many others on here have stated, it could have been more accurately described as a violation of program rules or something similar. Also, your assuming Hoke held him out of the Ohio State game for an unrelated matter. I'll allow that there is a chance something else held Gibbons out of the game, but that seems unlikely (and I think most Michigan fans will agree). So if Hoke knew Gibbons was being considered for expulsion and called it an injury issue, he lied. If he didn't know the status of his player within the university, there are some internal issues. No matter what, that's a lose-lose for Michigan.
As far as the third possibility, the woman obviously thinks she was raped. I don't really know what else to say in regards to what is and isn't sexual assault. No matter what, no one wins.
|1 year 13 weeks ago||Let me preface this by saying||
Let me preface this by saying that I have not read this entire thread yet and that I do not want an argument.
This is not the time to say anything resembling "Yeah, but they do it too!"
First, as a human being, I take no joy in this situation. There are two main scenarios here: a rape happened and the victim received little to no help from the justice system and had to wait years for her university to do the least amount that it could. OR, a rape didn't happen and a man is now having his life negatively impacted because of years old accusations. Either way, this situation is full of lose for everyone.
Second, as an Ohio State fan who reveres the rivalry and its history, this makes me angry. I do not want this shenanigans happening at our great and worthy opponent. Michigan is above this. Hoke does not need to lie about this situation because Michigan is supposed to already have the moral highground and be able to be honest about its issues. And because he lied, the already suspicious three year process will cause even more doubt about the program's actions and intent over the course of the case. By itself, the years long delay would've caused a lot of questions, but Hoke threw gasoline on that fire.
On Hoke in particular, the outsider's (me and other fans) view is now going to be that he is not an honest man. He seems to obfuscate at every turn, from the mundane (post-game pressers and reporter questions) to the serious (lying about Gibbons). Call it what you will, but he is rarely completely forthcoming about anything. I know I will probably get a few "but Urban Liar!!!" statements, but I'll take Urban's answers about the team or player issues over Hoke's any day. He has been nothing but straight forward on team discipline and even evaluating the team's play since he has been our coach.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Not sure if serious...||
...but if you are, how do you figure?
This is a completely honest question.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Deion||
One of the best things I saw in the Under Armour practices was Sanders leading a tackling drill. Really?
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Green||
Honestly, Hoke didn't have a huge amount of top level schools to beat out. By that point, most of the big time offers Green had at the beginning weren't really chasing him any more. Bama, Oklahoma, and OSU already had filled up at RB. Green waited too long. Not trying to discount him as a player, but his field of sutiors had dropped off considerably by December last year.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||Agreed.||
Everytime I watched Michigan, I was underwhelmed by Kalis.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||Both||
Both. Raekwon has been semi expected so his spot has nothing to do with Smith or Shon. Plays a different position as well.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||7 in a row||
7 in a row is fantastic. But the two best coaches in the country account for 5 of those, not the conference as a whole.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||This.||
My ideal scenario is that the Buckeyes win Saturday and then MSU does not make a BCS bowl. This would flatten out the pecking order in the bowls so that it would be more even. Getting all those years of 2 BCS teams has hurt the conference image because our 4 or 5 team ended up playing another conference's 2 or 3 team. The media never acknowledges this.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Yes||
My favorite comment in this thread
|1 year 21 weeks ago||New Rules||
I'm a big fan of this. The SEC is the worst offender of using feeder JUCOs on high school kids who don't qualify. Just stick em in a JUCO where they take bowling for two years and then bring em over. Ohio State has taken the odd JUCO here and there, but it seems to be from all over the country. I don't worry about any Big Ten schools seeing this as a big obstacle.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Cook||
The coaches saw Cook's W-L record and that was that. If they made it past that stat, they then saw his low INT number and happily wrote him down.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Gallon||
From a non-Michigan fan point of view, I can see both sides. Gallon was as valuable as any WR in the league. In my mind, he was every bit as good as Abbrederis. But in this case, I think the Indiana game actually hurt him with non-Michigan based viewers. I've seen a lot of people reference his production, but then add in an "of course, a chunk of that came against Indiana who is terrible". Obviously, this is an illogical stance to take because a player who explodes like that and then has very good games the rest of the season shouldn't be penalized. But I think between that and Abbrederis coming in with more preseason hype you get your second team answer.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Roby||
Other than the Wisconsin game, Roby played very well. He didn't morph into the defensive black hole that the preseason hype exploded to (which was ridiculous and admittedly, we Buckeye fans added to), but I didn't see any corners who were truly better in the Big Ten. He is certainly the best CB against the run and on the blitz in the league.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||Gallon||
Rewatching it now, and the only reason Gallon looks like he's coming open is because his man sees Gardner throw to Dileo.
Also, Gardner gets plowed a second later.
|1 year 21 weeks ago||2 Point||
I can't say from my end, I just know what Powell and the team stated:
|1 year 21 weeks ago||2 Point Play||
For what it's worth, Tyvis Powell said that they knew what play was coming on the 2 point try and that allowed him to be in the perfect spot.
Also, Gallon, Gardner, and Funchess are all grown-ass men.
|1 year 22 weeks ago||The Spread||
I've gotta say, OSU's spread is a lot more manball with Hyde than anything UM could even hope for this year in their wildest wet dreams.
|1 year 22 weeks ago||Urban||
Every coach does this. They'd be failing to do their job if they didn't. It's a win-win for any coach because there are two outcomes:
1. It forces the original school to spend time and resources on continual recruiting of a kid who is already committed to them. So even if the kid doesn't jump, the opposing staff is spending extra time on a commit that they are now not spending on uncommitted players.
2. The kid jumps.
|1 year 22 weeks ago||This||
As an outsider, there's no way Hand chose Alabama over UM for any academic reason unless he's not very bright. In which case, it may be better for him academically to go to Alabama.
|1 year 22 weeks ago||UM||
From a Buckeye point of view, UM over the last few years is facinating. I was born in 85 so my formative fan years were the 90's. Michigan was the big bad wolf. I hated, but respected UM because you guys were elite in my eyes. Obviously, when Tress came it was like we hit the jackpot every November. That feeling lasted (and still does to a point) for years.
Now, though, after RR and Hoke, I feel like I've lost a friend. I don't know how else to explain it. Michigan, whether we like it or not, has always been the team most like OSU in the Big Ten. No other fanbase understands the expectations and big-time stage that OSU has like Michigan fans. All other conference schools know where they stand in the pantheon of Big Ten football and it's below UM and OSU. Our Game is more important to the fabric of college football than in any game they will likely ever play. We hate Michigan yet know you are above the rest of our conference foes, even to the point that I used to sort of defend UM to other Big Ten fans (example - "What has your school done compared to UM?") Now, it's like we've lost some of our kinship, because UM isn't on our level. Beating you guys will never get old, but our Game is no longer as nationally relevant because UM has let us down. What happened to our great and worthy opponent?
|1 year 23 weeks ago||Cheerleaders||
Now there's an interesting list... Most iconic cheerleading uniforms (college only).
|1 year 23 weeks ago||Iconic||
For me, "Iconic" means that when you see that team on TV, you know immediately who it is without seeing the team listed or the announcers saying who it is.
I can't really put it in order, but here are the top schools IMO:
I've confused Bama and Oklahoma at a glance before. Same for Florida and Boise. When you see players in a burnt orange jersey, winged helmet, purple and gold, or a helmet covered in Buckeye leaves, you know what school that is instantly.
|1 year 24 weeks ago||Hoke||
I care about the rivalry so I gotta say...
There is no way this coaching staff would survive the season if they were at Ohio State. None. It would be a foregone conclusion at this point and we'd already be talking about who the new head coach would be. Not just the OC, the entire coaching staff.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Yes it is.||
OU would beat UM by 14+. UM lost to Penn State and almost lost to Akron and UConn. Whatever OU is, they aren't that down.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Harbaugh||
I completely agree. Stanford is what Hoke wants to be. But I don't think he'll get there.
As for Harbuagh, his teams showed yearly progress, though. I remember watching those teams steadily improve. I don't think Hoke's teams have showed any progress, rather regress. His first year was all RR players. Each year after, more of his own are on the team, and the team looks worse. The young excuses don't float for Blue Bloods like Michigan or Ohio State, in my mind. Braxton was a true sophomore in year one of a new system last year and we went undefeated behind him. Our whole team was in a new system. Bama was the same way when Saban arrived, and by year two he had them up and running. Same for Sumlin at A&M, Stoops at Oklahoma, Pete Carroll at USC, Tress at OSU, Malzahn at Auburn, Miles at LSU, Urban at Florida (and Utah), etc. By year 3, new sytem/young excuses run out. They did for RR who had a record that improved every year.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||UM||
UM is a great school, but it is not similar to Stanford academically. Stanford is top 5. Michigan is top 30. And they are generally pickier with recruits.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Thomas||
I'm sorry, but Thomas is not as good as Cravens. If he was, he'd be playing. Mattison is not stupid.
Also, they were not equally rated. Cravens was the composite #1 Safety and Thomas was the #9. No one considered Thomas to be in Cravens class.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Just saying...||
The majority of predictions on this board were a Michigan win...
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Cooper||
Cooper was less open than Meyer, but more so than Tress. In bad losses, though, he seemed to be willing to take blame, whether it be in game decisions or game plan. He would cite the team's lack of preparedness. Obviously, the biggest factor in his eventual release was his record against Michigan. He failed in every scenario possible against you guys. But he at least took the responsibility for it and admitted when the game plan was wrong or he could have made better calls.
And I completely agree with you, winning solves all. It also comes down to patterns and adjustments. When OSU loses a game, Meyer's bluntness on what caused the loss will be appreciated. Until the issues keep occuring, at which point fans will be upset that problems are identified, yet not solved.
At the end of the day, though, I think fans would much rather have a coach be specific and open about issues/successes, winning or losing. It at least builds confidence that the coach can diagnose what is/isn't working, whereas it sometimes seems like Hoke doesn't necessarily know or want to come to grips with it.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Hoke||
Outsider's view on the above:
He didn't say a single thing of substance and I actually came away angry that Michigan's coach is coming across as mediocre. How did we come to this?
Seriously, when Tress gave these kind of non-answers to the press it was accepted because we were mostly winning championships. We all (Buckeye fans) love that Urban and his staff are bluntly honest and have no problem calling out coaching, position groups, or players. It seems to motivate the coaches and players to do better. The above seems to show that there is no accountability on the coaching staff. Hoke does not seem to feel accountable to fans, alumni, doners, or the school for open, thought out answers or review of the performance from him or his staff.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||UM - MSU||
As an outsider who has watched both teams multiple times, I think the Sparty D will be too much. Gardner will have a few turnovers that puts the UM D in bad spots and Sparty finds a way to score enough.
MSU - 20
UM - 10
The UM OL has not been consistent enough to give me any hope they can keep Sparty out of the backfield. Even if they max-protect the whole game, Sparty still gets pressure. And I don't think Gallon/Funchess can beat that D by themselves. I think Fitz ends up with >50 yards. Gardner will have some good scrambles, though, and scores UM's TD. The UM D has a good day, but too many short fields are the difference. Also, Gardner throws a pick-six.
|1 year 28 weeks ago||Deflected Questions||
Say what you want about Urban, but he is so much more clear and open in his answers. And he isn't afraid to call out coaches, players, or whole position groups by name.
|1 year 31 weeks ago||Cano||
Hey, why not? He should absolutely try to get as much money as he can for himself, just as we should. If someone is dumb enough to pay that, props to him.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||Ginter||
Edit: sorry, double posted
|1 year 34 weeks ago||Ginter||
That post is just Johnny. His post is more intended for laughs than heavy analysis and he accomplished that. Honestly, I thought he handled the, "I hate you, but am jealous of your game 1 performance, so I'm going to snark this" angle very well.
At the end of the day, knowledgeable OSU fans know that Michigan showed very well despite the holes UM has (Gardner's occasional bad decisions, new OL interior, missing Ryan, etc.). And we know UM will only gel and improve as the season goes on.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Win||
Had to log in to rec this. This is high quality mockery from my rival.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Win||
Edit: strange, it saved this in the wrong spot.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Circle Drill||
One of the big teaching points about circle drill is proper technique. In fact, you can hear Fickell saying in the second matchup (of the circle drill video link above), "Eyes up! Eyes up!". Contact is going to happen and circle drill reinforces how to engage properly.
I do agree with the OP about the letter, too. The tone in the writing undoes anything he is trying to accomplish, IMO.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Fun Thread||
Glad to see that our fans aren't the only ones getting irritable while waiting for football to finally happen.
That Mone cat is the bee's knees.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||YUP||
Ohio State fans will melt down if he heads north. If he were to choose somewhere else, they'd be upset, but not freak out. Michigan, though, and it will be ragnarok.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Wisconsin||
Wisconsin got there and promptly lost all three times. Developed players or not, they were the less talented team on the field, IMO, and it showed. That's recruiting. There are a lot of very good coaches out there who can teach and develop players, but that's not enough to win big on a national level as Wisconsin proved three years in a row.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Green||
Having met Green in person, I can definitely say that he is thicker in the mid-section (unless that camera played some tricks). He was really proud of his core and how thinned out he was in the middle. Said it made him feel more balanced and fluid moving laterally.
And yes, I had a conversation with Green about his battle with weight. I told him I was very impressed with how hard he had worked and he appreciated the encouragement. We talked about his battle for about ten minutes and he lit up like a little kid at Christmas.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Iowa||
This is just a pure reflection of the recruiting in the Big Ten for every school not named Michigan or Ohio State. It's getting pathetic. The seperation between our two programs and the rest is going to be Grand Canyon-esque in the next few years. Recruiting wins championships.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||While he's very good, Green||
While he's very good, Green =/= Yeldon. Yeldon was the best looking freshman back since AP, IMO.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Crawford||
Crawford will be a good pickup. I don't think any OSU fan doubts that he's going to Michigan. Athletic and from a good program.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Trolling||
I am obviously trolling with my above statement.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Gardner||
Honestly can't really say otherwise until more comes out about Gardner. Although, if what I'm hearing is true, one hasn't been charged with anything and the other was arrested and charged. That makes a difference to any coach.
Edit: no one seems to have the full story on Gardner. Also saw that he was charged with obstruction of justice, but that can be a lot of things.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Gardner||
I believe it was DUI, driving with open container, and obviously underage drinking as he is a freshman. I don't have that confirmed, though.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Hyde||
Hyde hasn't been arrested or charged with anything yet, so I'd say Meyer suspending him is more than most coaches would do. From Hyde's point of view, it's like he's being treated as guilty until proven innocent as he will have no place in workouts, practices, film sessions, or any team related activities. And if he is found guilty, I guarantee he will be permanently off the team.
How would you guys have Hoke treat a player that hasn't been arrested or charged?
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Roberts||
Great kid, I wish him all the best. And because Harvard is FCS, he doesn't have to sit out a year. He gets a Harvard education and (probably) more playing time.
Honestly, would you guys blame a third string UM player for transferring to Harvard?
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Bama||
Winning three out of the last four MNCs will do that.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||PSU-UM||
As someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight, I personally expect Michigan to beat some ass in State College. PSU will be coming off a potentially tricky road game at Indiana where if they look ahead to Michigan at all, Indiana can easily beat them. Also, I expect the Michigan D to have things pretty well figured out by game 6 and freshman QB-who-doesn't-have-wildcard-athleticism vs. Mattison = mismatch so big it's stupid. PSU won't be as cray a road environment as normal and Hoke will be up for this game.
I'm calling 35-14, UM.
Unless PSU comes in undefeated, treats the game like their super bowl, and has some kind Remember-the-Titans-overcoming-adversity karma going for them. Then all bets are off.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||"We"||
It was completely on purpose, cause if the OL recruiting didn't improve, we the fans were going to have a major meltdown.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||"I think next year's running||
"I think next year's running game will be a poor man's version of the Alabama running game, with Fitz/Green being akin to Lacy/Yeldon."
-If they even approached Yeldon and Lacy's production, you guys should go undefeated. I agree with you that Hoke will try to have a similar feel as the Bama run game, but it's hard to do without Bama's OL.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Playing time||
We are losing 4 starters this year so he'll have a lot of opportunity to play.
Plus, MSU has Jim Bollman.
|1 year 44 weeks ago||Jones||
Not gonna lie, we needed him. With us losing 4 OL starters after this year and UM cleaning up in OL recruiting, this is nice.
|2 years 3 weeks ago||Won't argue it. The team last||
Won't argue it. The team last year had to gut out quite a few games over average teams. At the end of November, we were starting to look decent, but weren't elite. Urban himself said that we weren't in the same category as Alabama. 2012 OSU won with heart more than superior play quite a bit.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||It was a brief, but torrid||
It was a brief, but torrid affair.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Marshall||
I believe UM will get a DE who is as talented as Marshall. Webb, on the other hand, would be harder to replace. Top 5 CBs are hard to come by. You guys are in on a couple, though, so it's just a wait and see.
I won't be shocked if Marshall ends up considering a flip as well. If OSU stays in it for a few of the top GA kids and UM puts the pressure on (which I assume Hoke will if you guys miss on Hand), I expect him to give them a real shot.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||I think both UM and OSU had ridiculous classes.||
It's hard to think about direct comparisons overall because the teams have different philosophies. We pulled in more playmakers, but you guys have the most ridiculous OL pull in America. Shane Morris is a better fit for your offense while JT is what we need. Derrick Green fits Borges, EzE fits Urban. I think our defensive haul is better top to bottom than any team in the country. The only real arguments one can make are on a few individual comparisons. Would you rather have:
Dymonte Thomas or Vonn Bell?
Eli Apple or Jourdan Lewis?
Mike McCray or Mike Mitchell?
Marcus Baugh or Jake Butt?
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Sanctions||
What sanctions are you referring to? I wasn't aware they had scholarship reductions. Link?
|2 years 12 weeks ago||5-6 years||
Almost everyone I know is expecting 5ish years. And we are fine with that.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Honestly...||
Same way Michigan is at 27.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||This.||
What Magnus said. I can't remember any instances where a kid said that and then actually shocked anyone. I don't know any OSU fans that think he's going anywhere but UM.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||O'Connor||
If it is O'Connor, he was injured this year and had to red shirt. News about him has been scarce all season, so who knows. I'm not incredibly concerned about losing him (if it is him) as he hasn't proven to be a vital backup even. The 2 deep for next year is mostly set as well. The 2014 season is when the impact may be felt the most. I'd honestly like to poach a few of your OL recruits, but will be content if we finish strong in the next couple weeks. I expect us to to do pretty well in 2014 on the OL with 4, possibly 5 taken. I imagine you guys will be pretty light on the OL recruiting next year. What's the MGoBlog guess on your 2014 OL numbers?
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Hm||
Asked an honest question about a comment directed at MSU and was then called pitiful for my fan base liking a former coach. Sorry, didn't realize I had stumbled into MLive instead of MGoBlog.
And the reason I started with "Not trying to troll" is because many users here see my username and neg me before reading all of my comment. Seems to be the best way to show that I'm trying to have legit conversation and not get attacked.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Dantonio||
You guys needed a last second field goal to beat them at home in a down year for them when they had no QB.
And Tress broke rules. It's not okay, but I appreciate him for the things he did right while he was at OSU. You guys celebrate Woodson like the second coming and he probably shouldn't have been eligible. In my mind, both are fine. They've both done more good than almost anyone. And honestly, throwing the "OSU celebrates a cheater" thing out doesn't change his record against UM. At this point, just accept it and move on.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Dantonio||
Not trying to troll, but doesn't this fact make you guys worry more? Cause even without good recruiting, he's been ridiculously good against you guys.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Observations||
Two things I want to throw out:
First, Jake Ryan is a beast. The one Michigan player that I wish we had. Can you imagine him and Ryan Shazier in the same LB corps? We definitely missed out on him.
Second, my wife (who has a VERY casual knowledge of football) pointed out every time Denard was in the backfield and said, "It's going to be a run." Not trying to rub it in, but to illustrate the point many of you have made.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||UM Bowl||
Actually, I think you end up against a pissed off Georgia. They will probably lose to Bama and then Florida will get the second SEC BCS spot. So they'll fall to the Capital One against you guys. Assuming Nebraska beats Wisconsin, that is.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||UM Coaches||
Mattison had a monster game in my mind. The Ohio State offense was in Michigan territory the entire second half and was held to two field goals. Borges, did not have a good game, but I don't know if it was as terrible as it looked. Ohio State's D made some adjustments and really stepped up. An athletic D played well at home in a rivalry game. It happens. Either way, I expect Michigan to be very good next year. Gardner is obviously your go forward QB and he will only get better. The D will be good with Mattison. The future is bright in Ann Arbor and Columbus. Congrats on a good game.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||Nike||
You do realize this is made by Nike, not the University, right? This is also completely common practice. Just as I'm sure there are already "Michigan: 2012 Legends Division Champs" shirts made just in case.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Skill||
Takes skill to pull off.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||OSU Offense||
I wouldn't call us an offensive juggernaut, but we can explode for 30 points in a single quarter pretty easily. I would argue that at this point in the year, OSU is the best offense UM has seen. Obviously, I don't think OSU overall is better than Bama, but we certainly score more efficiently than Bama. And way more efficiently than ND. Also, we played MSU on the road and still scored more against them than UM did. And moved the ball well most of the day. We had two turnovers in there territory that really kept it close, one on a Brax fumble where he hurt his knee and then lost the ball. The second on a play where Brax threw a pick at their 20 when he didn't see the safety. So it isn't like MSU's D dominated us. You mentioned Indiana and Cal; we scored 35 against Cal and 52 against Indiana.
And to your point about UM being the best we've seen, I'd say that's very arguable. UM has not dominated the Big Ten by any stretch this year and is a good, but not great team.
To your final point, Ryan would start for us, but Demens would not. Fickell plays his three best LBs and Demens is not better than Shazier or Sabino. They would probably stick Ryan at MLB and tell him to just be himself. And who would Roh start over? Simon? Williams? Those are the DE starters and you won't find an OSU fan anywhere who would take Roh over either guy. I don't think you'd find many coaches either.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||To a degree.||
I think Braxton has seen a number of different looks this year, but no defenses have been as fundamentally sound as Michigan's. Cal had some good athletes and definitely threw some curve balls as far as scheme, but Braxton ran all over them. When teams have thrown a new scheme at Brax, we've started very slow, but made adjustments and took off. The key against a player like Brax or Denard is that no matter what the scheme is, every defender has to be assignment/gap sound. If one player makes the wrong decision, either of those guys can exploit it for 80 yards. Michigan has a good chance at slowing Brax because of their fundamentals. Also, Hyde is the first key for Michigan to me. If the D keys too much on Brax then they will pound you all day with Hyde. But if the D keeps Hyde bottled up, Brax has to run more and takes more hits.
One thing I want to throw out is that I'm interested to see how Michigan blitzes Brax. UM loves to bring overload and zone blitzes, but IMO that's playing with fire. Brax makes the first guy miss 95% of the time. If that player doesn't get him, he will have 150 yards against you guys in a hurry.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Completely don't disagree with this.||
Our schedule has had some decent teams, but no one amazing, that's for sure. I'm very interested to see how the team reacts the next two weeks. I do know that Braxton can have a big game against any team in the country, though. Same for Hyde.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||OSU WRs||
I'd say Devin Smith is one of the better deep threats in the Big Ten. And Philly Brown is as good as any WR Michigan has. Also, Braxton has become adept at spreading the ball around. Vannett, Stoneburner, Spencer, Heuerman, and Fields have all made big plays in the passing game this year. And that doesn't include the RBs who are receiving threats. Smith and Hyde both have receiving TDs this year. You have to remember that we have not had to pass much to beat teams at all. No one has stopped our running game.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Agree with many above||
I agree on the consensus that the big story will be OSU D vs UM O. I want to help clarify some of the Pass D struggles our guys have had, though. Teams had success early in the year with two main strategies: first, by throwing multiple screen pass variations at us. The Linebackers weren't diagnosing quickly enough and got blocked out of the play way too often. Second, they would target the short middle zone normally manned by a linebacker. Curtis Grant and then Storm Klein both proved unequal to the task of pass coverage. Since Boren moved to MLB and the coaching staff made some scheme tweaks, the D has been quite sound against these plays. Penn State had little success consistently moving the ball despite McMoxie's passing yards. He had to throw 46 times to get those yards also, and if Denard or Devin end up throwing 40+ times against us, I'd like our chances to win.
The bottom line of my view point is that if Michigan can't establish a run game, OSU wins. Neither Devin or Denard is an accurate or savvy enough passer to pick us apart with intermediate throws. Roby and Howard are good at getting their hands on the ball, so I don't expect Michigan to be able to hit a ton of deep throws. Also, the Michigan WRs don't frighten any D and I don't expect them to flat out beat our DBs that often. Swing plays to Gallon may provide a couple good plays, but our speed at LB will help. If Denard, Devin, Rawls or Fitz don't have huge running games, I don't see many ways Michigan wins. Unless Braxton has multiple costly turnovers.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Mark||
The thing about Mark is that he is deceptive with his speed. Defenders seem to misjudge his acceleration quite a bit. In a way it's like how Pryor always wreaked havoc with defender angles because he was moving much faster than his stride showed. (Obviously they are very different athletes, I'm just comparing the similarities in the deception.) Mark isn't Demps fast, but he's got enough speed to take it to the house after defenders take a couple bad angles.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Huh?||
Michigan has a fantastic recruiting class. Yes, the strength of it is on the lines, but that isn't a bad thing. I'd love to have a couple of your OL recruits go to OSU. If you're referencing the Marshall, Elliott, Burrows, or Woodard type guys that OSU has, well you guys do have Thomas, McCray, and Gedeon. I don't think you guys are going to see the Marshall or Elliott types as much under Hoke. They just don't fit what Hoke is looking for in RBs or WRs. Get used to big power backs and tall, powerful WRs. In the right system, though, they can be elite.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Not Really.||
For it to work correctly, you need to compare Sophomore Miller to Sophomore Robinson as that was the first full year of starting for both. Braxton has a higher ceiling. He has better passing mechanics and a stronger arm than sophomore Denard and is a different runner. He has about 25-30 pounds on Denard as well as a couple inches which allow him to power through tackles a little more. Denard is faster, but Braxton is shiftier. Braxton also turns the ball over less as a sophomore than senior Denard does. From watching both, I'd take Braxton and it's not because I'm biased. Braxton is just a better run/pass combo.
And their careers won't be looked at just for numbers. Otherwise, Graham Harrell would be considered one of the greatest college QBs in history.
And no, Braxton and Devin are not twins. If Devin was as good as Braxton he would never have been moved to WR. He had plenty of opportunity to show the coaches that he is a QB.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||UM vs OSU||
This is honestly a fun comparison because the strengths and weaknesses of both teams are completely evident. OSU is great at stopping the run (via RB or running QB), but struggles with spread QB's who deliver accurate passes in the intermediate game. When teams have not been able to make OSU pay for this weakness, OSU has won by multiple scores (See Miami, Nebraska). So the question comes down to Denard, as it should. Because as good as Michigan's D has been, I don't think they will completely stop Miller, Hyde, the Smiths, Philly Brown, and Stoneburner. OSU will score in this game. First, will Denard be healthy enough to be full go in The Game? And if he is, will he be accurate enough to exploit OSU's weakness? I don't think Denard goes on the road and runs for 200. Meyer will make Denard's injured arm beat OSU. I don't see it happening this year for Michigan simply because Denard has never proven he could go on the road for a big game and beat someone through the air even when healthy.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||ND-2002 OSU||
The only similarities I see in these teams are the D-Line and LB. Ohio State had legit game changers at all 4 DL positions, probably 2 of 3 LB positions, CB, and an all-decade player at S. We also had a first rounder at WR, a should-have-been all-time great at RB, and a QB who minimized mistakes and always had a knack for the big play. Our kicker was the best the Big Ten has seen in the last two decades. Also don't forget that we had Dantonio as our DC. Love him or hate him, you have to admit he is one of the best defensive coaches out there. That team didn't win big half of the time, but I'd put that D up against any offense of the past 20 years. The O just had to do enough to win and they certainly were capable of that.
|2 years 32 weeks ago||Woodson||
Woodson is definitely a top 20 DB, but I don't know that he is even the best in his generation. Teams had/have to gameplan around Prime Time, Ed Reed, and Polamalu. These players were/are feared by opposing Offensive Coordinators and QB's alike. I don't know if Woodson has had that impact from start to finish in his career.
|2 years 35 weeks ago||Michigan W-L||
You guys are a hard one to peg this year. I can honestly see you guys going anywhere from 12-2 to 7-6. The only loss I feel I can absolutely peg is Alabama. I really have no clue how your D will be and if your OL will be as good as last year. Denard will have a good season no matter what, but if he has the same amount of interceptions as he did a year ago, I see your record dropping a couple games.
|2 years 35 weeks ago||Thank you for proving my||
Thank you for proving my point by negging my comment.
|2 years 35 weeks ago||Shirt||
You guys do realize that this isn't a fan-created shirt, right? It's a company using a template for a large number of schools. It's not OSU sanctioned, doesn't have the logo, and I can't find a single place that is selling it. So I don't really get all of the "Columbus is so tasteless", "That fanbase will do anything" comments. Can anyone here post a link to where this is sold?
I get the rivalry bashing, hate, etc., but do your homework before you start calling an entire fanbase out as people mocking child abuse victims.
|2 years 37 weeks ago||Booker||
Booker named OSU his leader:
|2 years 37 weeks ago||Draft||
I don't really disagree about the RBs or QBs, but the OL and WRs I definitely do not agree with you on. Urban has placed multiple WRs in the draft as well as more than one first round OL. He's also placed 2 QBs in the first round. Kids look at the coach's success in the draft more than pro vs spread system.
|2 years 37 weeks ago||Fan Treatment||
I've been to three OSU-UM games in CBus and two in AA. While in AA I got some good natured ribbing, but mostly respect from all but two fans. The first dumped a beer on my now wife and I and the second (in a different year) got in my wife's face and spat chewed fries on her. Now, I know every fan base has its idiots so I don't stereotype the whole UM fan base because of those two. In CBus I only saw one incident of stupid OSU fandom where a guy squirted a water bottle on a couple UM guys while screaming obscenities. To both fanbase's credit, in both instances the home fans immediately rebuked the offenders. I honestly just carried on after all three situations. When you have thousands of people in one space with alcohol, there's gonna be stupidity.
PSU fans are the worst ever. I've been to Happy Valley three times and was honestly worried about my safety each time.
|2 years 38 weeks ago||Ferns||
Whatever the reason, he already stated that he likes Michigan better. I don't think he'll get as much grief as you think because a) he lives in a town that is half WVU fans and b) OSU fans have known for a whole that he was not considering OSU. He's been straightforward from early on that he just didn't have any interest on the Buckeyes which I think shows he's a mature kid. He's been straight up and hasn't played any games the whole process. Definitely has his head on straight.
|2 years 38 weeks ago||Correct, about 5,000 people||
Correct, about 5,000 people on the border of OH and WV.
|2 years 38 weeks ago||Ferns||
Any OSU fan who says he didn't have an offer is lying. Urban definitely liked Ferns. He's got too high a ceiling not to get an offer. At the same time, the kid was honestly fourth at best on the OSU LB board. McMillan, Booker, and Garrett are all considered higher priorities. It's not a knock on Ferns, it's just how OSU seems to be targeting them. UM isn't really in on those three guys and obviously Hoke and Urban don't always rank guys the same. Butt and Taco are prime examples.
|2 years 38 weeks ago||Ferns||
Great get. Make no mistake, he definitely had an offer from us. He's a good athlete and a good pickup. Kid said that the city atmosphere at Ohio State wasn't for him and chose what he thought was his best fit so I can't really fault him. OSU won't always fit every talented Ohio kid.
|2 years 38 weeks ago||And this is why Nike is||
And this is why Nike is better.
|2 years 39 weeks ago||Josh||
Maybe Big Ten fans should stop feeding Josh's ego and just say, "Okay, we'll see tomorrow."
|2 years 40 weeks ago||He's only narrowed his list||
He's only narrowed his list to 13.
|2 years 40 weeks ago||Green||
As a few of you have said, tempering expectations with Green is the best move. I've followed his recruitment for over a year an he never fails to rave about schools to their fan blogs. At various points Bama, UM, OSU, Clemson, Oklahoma, Auburn, Va Tech and I think one or two more have been believed to be leaders. I'm not saying you guys won't get him, but he's playing the recruiting game more than almost anyone this year. Also, I can't be 100% positive, but some of his comments are that of a mad teenager who's childhood favorite school just told him they are going in a different direction.
|2 years 40 weeks ago||McQuay||
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't McQuay drop you guys after Douglas committed?
|2 years 40 weeks ago||Spin||
How is it spin when we turned him away? Was it spin when Hoke turned Anzalone away?
|2 years 40 weeks ago||Space||
We are expected to take 4-5 more. And with you guys having only 20-21 current openings, but possibly 25 in a class, I wouldn't say OSU has done anything different with roster "oversigning".
|2 years 40 weeks ago||Answer||
A lot of it has to do with space and current depth chart. Similar to when you guys told Anzalone you were full at LB. We have a number of power backs on the roster already and only about 4-5 spaces left in the class at most. We still are targeting 1-2 LBs, 1-2 WRs, OT, and probably a safety (hopefully Vonn Bell). A lot of Buckeye fans are hoping we wrap up with some combo of the following:
S Vonn Bell
OT Dennis Finley
LB Mike Mitchell
LB/DE Tyquan Lewis
WR James Quick
WR Shelton Gibson
WR Devon Allen
(I'm not going to throw Foster in here as I just don't think it's happening)
ATH Chris Worley
There are a couple other WRs that I think may end up being in, but the three I listed are the most talked about. A lot of fans are hoping that if OT Dorian Johnson decommits from PSU, we'll get a shot at him. With all of these players still on the board, there just isn't a need or spot for Green.
|2 years 40 weeks ago||Strange||
I'm on there all day and the general consensus is that we've always been in it, but that he's been playing the recruiting game too much to be sure. The one thing people did hang on as a good sign was that he told an 11W writer that he was trying to get looks for his teammates. No matter what, though, the kid grew up an OSU fan while idolizing Eddie George, so I'm sure he was bummed.
|2 years 40 weeks ago||Helmets||
Call me a homer if you like, but Ohio State is the only school that pulls off the sticker look.
|2 years 40 weeks ago||Green||
I think most Buckeyes are hesitant to say he's our to lose now. Last summer, yes, but since then he's talked up just about every school. Plus, the lack of need for a power back leads most to believe the staff isn't hard after him. In fact, there are a few posters at 11W who think he will end up at Michigan.
|2 years 40 weeks ago||Buckeye Perspective||
The maize seems to be more true to the old school maize. Obviously, I have never liked your uniforms, but this is definitely worse than your standard road kit. The maize stripe is the main culprit. Honestly, though, the main reason I'm posting is because I'm shocked at how many different jerseys you guys have worn in the past year. The once a year alternate is not a bad change up, but you guys have had 5-6 now, right? Dave Brandon is releasing uniforms the way he would've released pizza promos.
|2 years 40 weeks ago||Douglas||
Good pick up. I was hoping he'd make his way into our class before he committed to PSU. FWIW, he's also a good offensive player. Good at making people miss and finding extra yards.