to play football, not to play trumpet
|8 hours 25 min ago||Pretty boring interview||
Partly cuz he was cut short by being late.
|8 hours 58 min ago||Wow||
Didn't know so many hates Mike and Mike...
|2 days 3 hours ago||This pleases me.||
This pleases me.
|3 days 4 hours ago||What?||
I mean, we've known for awhile now that he's not announcing until NSD...so now that he's not annoucing until NSD he's not coming here?
|1 week 1 day ago||No, suspension-worthy||
I don't care who he hit. He still hit a guy clear in the back who had no flipping clue it was coming. And dangerously close to ramming them into the boards head-first too.
It's suspension-worthy even if he didn't intend to hit a linesman. You just cannot be that reckless.
|1 week 1 day ago||And||
And it's not like we give kids free reign to drive cars from a very young age and say to them "have at it, you know the risks". That would be silly.
|1 week 2 days ago||False dichotomy||
You can believe something enjoyable or entertaining is also too dangerous to do yourself (or to allow your child to do). I love watching some of the tricks in x-sports, it's crazy the things they can do in mid air. At the same time, I would never myself put my body through that risk. I think sky diving is really effing cool, but ain't no way in hell I do that. Some of teh shit they do in cirque du solei looks dangerous as hell...it's also really entertaining.
Not everyone who thinks football is a dangerous sport also thinks it needs to be outlawed. If you think it needs to be outlawed, yeah, you're then a very big hypocrit if you are a fan, root for your team and watch the sport.
But just because I don't want my child playing football due to the risks involved doesn't mean that I can't watch and enjoy the sport.
|1 week 2 days ago||More that can be done||
This is fine at the collegiate level and beyond, but I feel like there are still many more things that can be done for levels below college, i.e., you cannot play tackle football until a certain age.
|1 week 2 days ago||Mostly agreed||
With the subtle distinction that schools are the adults and the recruits are kids, so we expect more from the adults than the kids. Which is to say the "how" matters. Not that schools can't or shouldn't be able to back out...just that they need to make it abundantly clear from the beginning what the deal is with the term "commitment". This is where Harbaugh and staff maybe faltered a little bit...but when you look at how the recruits they let fall through the cracks are going to wind up with multiple full ride offers at other schools despite the "regrettable" timing, it's hard to really get worked up over it. Be better next time. And move on from it.
|1 week 3 days ago||What's the saying? Oh right.||
"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence"
What made me upset and uncomfortable with so many people clutching their pearls on teh board is that it seems like many were so quick to think harbaugh was purposefully screwing the kids over (i.e. malice). So that's why it always felt like a gross overreaction by many. Like a significant number of posters/fans/media was taking up the role of Helen Lovejoy shouting "Won'ts somebody PLEASE think of the children!!!"
It's important to remember that this is new to Harbaugh too...Michigan is a different beast from Stanford, it's easy for Harbaugh to maybe underestimate the leve of interest he could get for recruits to Michigan...and also it is key to note that he was an NFL guy for a few years too, so there's an adjustment to get back into the college recruiting game, he's only been in it for about a year now. And that might be the simplest explanation for teh sloppiness and incompetence of his staff to let a couple commits fall through the cracks, in a less than ideal fashion.
I believe it will get better. It has to. Because Harbaugh has got to know this shit looks bad to his program, and he of all people knows that sloppiness will not be tolerated
|1 week 3 days ago||Additionally||
There has to be SOME fault towards Weaver for not following through on his committment. Just like Swenson. If he wasn't contacted for a long time...did he TRY to contact anyone at Michigan? Surely he was wondering what his status was. Did he make any attempts to find out? Or was he afraid of what the answer might be?
If we find out that he tried to call and never got a response...yeah, that's not good. I don't know if we'll ever know the answer to that though.
And I'm NOT tryig to excuse Michigan for not communicating. But, like everything in recruiting, it's a two-way street.
And this also depends on his initial offer, like you said, if it was conditional. If it wasn't conditional, then I excuse Weaver a bit more for not following through during this cold shoulder period. If it was, that makes it even more his fault for not trying to follow through with the staff earlier.
|1 week 3 days ago||There is nothing binding about a verbal offer||
That has to be the case otherwise recruits wouldn't be able to back out of a verbal for no reason other than "they changed their minds" without repurcussions. If they do that after signing an LOI, hey have to sit out a year.
So there is nothing to "rescind". Obviously, the way you do that matters, but I'm seeing a lot of people making a lot of gross assumptions about the ethics of what Harbaugh did without really knowing how Harbuagh did it, which is precisely what is needed to judge ethics here. No I don't think giving a recruit the cold shoulder is some ethical violation necessarily, especially when it's clear Weaver knew in the fall (at least in November, if not well before that) that his spot was never guaranteed.
|1 week 3 days ago||Or||
Or perhaps the horse is too damn high for reality.
Did anyone have a moral outrage over Bo offering scholarships to kids who he KNEW damn well would likely never see the field, just to keep them away from other schools? You can say "but these kids stil got a scholarship!" all you want, and I would counter "So will Swenson and Weaver. Just not at Michigan."
|1 week 3 days ago||Exactly||
I also had this thought. Weaver may be upset that he didn't know until now definitively...but when else would he know for sure? The race to NSD has a lot of moving parts in the final moments. If he knew it was a 50-50 proposition teh whole time (which it sounds like from reports he should have known), perhaps it just comes down to a recruit taking a 50% bet on Michigan and winding up being wrong at the last minute. Like getting 4 powerball numbers but missing out on the 5th number to win the jackpot (well, not the best analogy since you prolly still win a bunch of money in that case, but you get the point). Sometimes you get unlucky at a bad time. That's not all Harbaugh's fault though. Especially if he was clear from the start what this "committment" meant.
And for the love of God, this cannot be stated enough...Weaver himself said "lay off Harbaugh, guys." He's frustrated by the process, but not SPECIFICALLY angry at Harbaugh. This is significant for those who want to automatically assume the worst of the coaching staff.
|1 week 3 days ago||And this is where the mistake lies||
It doesn't suddenly make us just like OSU or Bama, it doesn't make us like PSU, it doesn't make us suddenly lose who we want to be as a program that is above most when it comes to "doing things the right way", it doesnt;t mean we should have MORAL OUTRAGE at a level that some seem to suggest.
It is a bad look. It is not THAT bad. Even Weaver himself said "cool it on Harbaugh, guys". So maybe, just maybe, we should R-E-L-A-X. This isn't the most unethical thing a coach has ever done, not even in the same galaxy. Shoot, some (myself included) may think it's not unethical at all, especially if he knew in the fall his spot wasn't guaranteed. I do want Harbaugh to be better about the line of communication in the future, though. But that is minor.
|1 week 4 days ago||Actually I got one better||
Overheard a couple of people at a coffee shop who are attending MIchigan right now say they didn't understand the concept of "leaders and best". As in, why Michigan calls itself leaders and best.
I didn't know this required explanation.
|1 week 4 days ago||Whoosh||
|1 week 5 days ago||Irrelevant||
You can't hit a guy on the ground like that. You just can't. And besides, it amounted to about a 1-2 yard penalty, so it wasn't THAT big of a deal.
|1 week 5 days ago||Meh||
I can't keep track anymore.
The one thing I do know is we have a Harbaugh.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||One too many||
I discovered Evan Williams, a $12 liter of bourbon, was surprisingly acceptable to drink both on the rocks and neat. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Simple answer||
Because the offense has the inherent advantages of controlling the pace (when to snap the ball) and knowing what they're going to do before the ball is snapped.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Not completely true||
There was definitely a significant portion of luck involved in the Minnesota win (being down at the half yard line on the almost game-winning TD catch, plus their HC derping around and wasting valuable time), and maybe a little bit of luck in the Indiana win (because thank God we let Indiana score a TD and got the ball last in regulation, rather than them running the clock down and kicking a FG to win it).
But that was really it in terms of good luck. What happened against MSU more than makes up for that. Not to mention the endlessly terrible reffing that always seemed to go against us. And the complete lack of turnovers, specifically fumble recoveries (which is basically random.)
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Scored 109||
Lost by 24 points. Had GB not shat the bed against Arizona (their D got 34 points!) I might have won, then I'd be gloating about how my 5-8 fantasy team who scored the least amount of points this year in my league won it all as the 8 seed. Still 2nd place ain't too shabby considering my team was awful most of the year...lesson being never underestimate the value of the waiver wire (and plain dumb luck).
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Well||
Maybe they would have known who he was if you had done a profile of him.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah...it's not replays, it's commercials.||
I absolutely HATE the commercial-kickoff-commercial sequence. Like, gee thanks for showing that 20 seconds of a dude kicking a ball through the back of the endzone.
And actually, the NFL replay process is far less intrusive than for college football. I think they hit a nice sweet spot for when to review and when not to, with maybe a few minor exceptions.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||All I can tell you||
All I can tell you is keep Murray glued to the bench. I picked up Isaiah Crowell at RB in my desperation to start literally anyone over DeMarco Murray last week, and that move won me my playoff game last week as the 8-seed. This week he has a bad matchup so I picked up Branden Bolden to start. And Murray will stay on the bench.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||I know||
I know this is supposed to make me feel better but honestly it makes me more nervous. Too many soul dong punches in the last decade have me perpetually prepared for the worst.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Right||
Except he was never actually charged for assault and battery, and never sued either. In fact, he was the one doing the suing - for wrongful termination - and while he didn't technically legally "win", he did get a rather handsome $2.75 million settlement from USF for it to be over and done with, which certainly sounds like a win in layman's terms.
|8 weeks 3 hours ago||Yup.||
Dude was just so great at throwing that 4th down incompletion against MIchigan and handing the ball off over and over against Iowa and Ohio State. Just a #winner.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Yup||
And I couldn't help but feel just...off...the whole game. The refs were conspiring against michigan all day, MSU was hitting improbable plays, everything about the game felt wrong. And despite the fact that Lewis (I think? Or maybe it was Peppers.) came up with what should have been a game-sealing pass breakup on 4th down, and I made a celebratory scream as the tension of the whole game was release on that play...it still felt off. I knew we might have to punt again, and until we punted the game wasn't over. even though it basically was.
MSU did not earn that win. I will go to my grave thinking that. And you know what? IF MSU fans want to rub it in a bit, that's fine...that's what rivals do. That doesn;t bother me one bit. But, if any Sparty says "Dantonio coached his way to that victory" or that there wasn't just 99% complete flukey luck in it, just...no. Stop. You're wrong. Punter catches it and game over. Punter falls on botched snap and game is still probably game over. I know I know they win and lose as a team, and we can all point to dozens of plays that could have switched it to a win (that MSU FB touchdown pass comes to mind). But still, a game that is won 99.9% of the time on that play is about as certain as you'll ever get in life. But sometimes the seemingly impossible happens. It did to us. Just don't tell me you "earned" that BS.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||And||
And that's an incredibly rare exception, NOT something you should count on. How did Baylor do with its 3rd string QB? They just lost to a terrible Texas. OU lost Baker Mayfield for a half against TCU and they almost lost that game. TCU lost Boykin and they weren't the same either.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||This speaks to a general problem||
Of coaching hires in general. South Carolina was looking at Lincoln Riley (Oklahoma OC) in addition to Muschamp. Discussion on the Oklahoma radio was...in the event he gets offered, would he stay in Oklahoma through the end of the playoff run? And the consensus seemed to be no because Reilly was too young and didn't have the track record of someone like Smart to make that demand (Georgia must really want Smart, otherwise I can't imagine they would be too happy to allow this).
What's the solution? If you want an NFL coach, you have to wait for the NFL season to be over. But with college it's open season, and that's completely unfair to the kids. It's unfair to Georgia having to wait. It would be unfair to a team like Alabama or OKlahoma if that coordinator leaves before the playoffs are over. It's unfair to Michigan that Durkin had his mind on another job during the biggest week of the year. It's in general unfair to college players who can't leave for another school without sitting out a year, but college coahces can just up and leave whenever the hell they want to.
To me the solution is simple: no coaches can be contacted for job offers until the season is completely over (after the championship game). This causes recruiting issues I'm sure...but maybe that slows down the amount of coaching turnover, and maybe a simple solution is to push back LOI day by a month.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Have you actually watched them at all?||
They look exactly like the Bama teams of old. Exactly like them. With the exception of a slightly vulnerable secondary, I guess.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Why do some think Bama is the best matchup for MSU?||
To me their best matchup is Clemson.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I get that the refs screwed that call||
But what the hell is the NC coach doing wasting a timeout??? They could have gotten the ball back with about 50 seconds left on a Clemson 3 and out...now they'll be lucky to get 15 seconds.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Well||
This clearly proves that the SEC is better than the Big Ten, amirite guys???
|9 weeks 16 hours ago||Sorry, no||
Not this time. You don't have a right to complain about the refs when you concede a freaking 61 yard Hail Mary with barely ANY resistance. The refs didn't botch the Hail Mary. It's a non issue if the lions had any semblance of competency defending a damn Hail Mary. Not a single guy was in position to make a play on the ball. Not a one.
|9 weeks 17 hours ago||Facemask call was bad||
But don't even give the ref that chance. Especially when you are tackling the preciouses (gotta protect those moneymaking QBs ya know).
|9 weeks 1 day ago||Screw history||
Would BO view that fondly? I sincerely doubt it.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||Oh and by the way||
You don't know shit either, so I don't know what your point is. We all don't know what's going on really, but to say that nothing could possibly be wrong is as much of a jump to conclusion as saying something does not seem right here.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||And||
And do you think Harbaugh was HAPPY after the game? I would die for some insidery bits right now, because I'm guessing Harbaugh ain't too pleased with Durkin after that game and how he left the program like 2 seconds later.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||Yup||
And had they tried, they probably would have scored on their last possession before half too. I was worried at half because the D was starting to get gashed, hoped there would be some adjustments, SOMeTHING to throw OSU off balance. Instead it felt like they just laid over and died in the 3rd quarter. We may have been scorched in years past, but never have I felt like the team (from coach to players) just did not care at all. There's a reason why the Wisconsin game came to mind...when you are referencing a defensive performance from one of the two worst ever defense's in Michigan history, defense's that had way less talent and experience than we did this year.,.well, that doesn't look very good, does it? Especially for a D that had the talent for most of the year to be solidly in the top ten across college football.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||That||
Plus the D was Gerg-level awful against OSU, which is amazing given the amount of talent and experience (even minus the 3 starters on DL) he had to work with.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah||
Yeah I'm kinda getting that vibe.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||Irrationally upset here...||
Goddamnit MSU can keep Narduzzi well beyond the point they should have yet we get one year (minus the bowl game, to boot) with Durkin? And he's bolting to be a head coach in the same fucking division as Michigan??? And of course THIS had to be the year in which elevnty billion coaching jobs are open around the country.
At least Mattison is still around to help with continuity (and I'm guessing he'll be temporary DC if Harbaugh can't get a guy before the bowl game)...
...but what the fuck, man?
|9 weeks 2 days ago||We are not losing to UCF||
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Honestly I really don't see what the big deal is||
You have to trust your seniors, and this is a great showing of trust from the coach. Plus we have no idea what said violation is.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||And apparently||
And apparently some people lurking around here (not saying you) WOULD HAVE PREFERRED THIS.
Those people are fucking insane.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||The last thing they need||
Is more coaching changes. They need CONSISTENCY. Unless Harbaugh identifies a coach not up to snuff -and there's no way for any of us to know that - then there's no need to irrationally change everything after one bad loss.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||We were 4-1 this year in road games...||
...yet it's hard to see us winning a road game?
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Anyone feels bad today||
Just think...where would we be today with Hoke? And spare me the "at least Hoke played OSU close" shit. Hoke still was 1-3 against them. And I guarantee that not only does he lose today, but this team under Hoke would be lucky to be bowl eligible. 7-5 at best. This team would be Penn State.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||This is a 9-3 team.||
This is a 9-3 team that got insanely unlucky in one game and fairly lucky in two other games. They are what their record says they are. If you call Minnesota s should-have-lost, then you have to call MSU a should-have-won. And then at worst we're one 4th down play away from 8-4 against Indiana.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Those are two plays over the whole year||
And the first one doesn't even matter if your punter just fricking catches the damn ball.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Not too shabby||
Two things killed them: (1) the utter lack of a run game (a perfect combo of poor blocking and terrible RB vision), (2) not converting TDs in the redzone twice. If those are both TDs, we're tied at halftime and actually stay in the game despite the defense's ineptness (would have been 28-21 rather than 28-13).
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Everyone worried about losing the LBs...||
Quite frankly the LB Corp needs turnover. Too slow and unathletic...glaring weakness against teams like OSU and IU, exposed because of the injuries to DL.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||I don't get the Baxter hate, quite frankly||
This is the best STs we've had since...I have no idea...and you want to fire the guy? Talk about a hot take.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||The fucking MSU game||
Good god man.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||In case you hadn't noticed...||
We have a coach in his first year, with a QB who had only been on the team since a few months ago, and coming off a 5-7 year.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Lol||
Come on refs. Seriously, just let it go.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Let me clarify||
It shouldn't be. Lewis should be entitled to his space. It's not his fault the ball was thrown so far from the receiver that he had to attempt to catch it through Lewis. It's the shit PI that Brian always talks about. The only "interfering" Lewis did was standing in the way of Thomas...and I mean, come on.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Haha flag||
That's not PI. Whatever.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||I'm going to say it now||
Today was an utter fucking failure by the coaches. I mean, I'll eventually be ok with 9-3, but right now I'm fuming at how terrible the coaching has been today.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Just a train wreck on defense||
What the fuck, man. Atrocious.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Wasn't offsides||
We all know OSU doesn't ever commit penalties. Duh.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Oh totally||
Only Michigan holds.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||It's not a late hit||
If the QB isn't even down yet all the way. It was a bang bang play too.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||On these hits it's hard to say||
When a QB is going down already and the defender is in motion for the hit, it's hard to assess whether his intent was to hit his head or not (and in most cases I would say it wasn't). But it's a grey area for sure...you have to also look at how much time before the defender hits him (I.e. Did he have an opportunity to let up?)
|10 weeks 3 days ago||I like Spielman||
For every other game but this one.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Incredibly sad.||
It's incomprehensible to imagine being a parent and losing a child to fucking cancer at the age of 5. One of the cruelest things on this earth is childhood cancer. Fuck cancer.
Cannot say that enough. Fuck. Cancer.
RIP, Chad. Condolences to the Carr family.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||My take||
The good fortune of Minnesota wiped away the bad fortune of MSU.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Do not want.||
Yes I got that it was sarcasm.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Lol||
Wow that's....that's something.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||And it's not a luck thing that they're at 9-2||
The close calls/lucky good (Minnesota, Indiana) and bad (MSU) are basically a wash this year. Michigan has earned all of its wins, and are basically where they should be record-wise based on their play. It's amazing to me that we went from a 5-7 year, losing Funchess and Gardner, to a 9-2 year with at least two chances to get to 10 (or more!) wins.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||I'm willing to allow it...||
...if they're consistent in calling holds like that all game on both sides. They were not. Therefore that call looks far worse that it probably is in isolation. Which is even more galling given its rarity. They call THAT but obvious OL holds are completely ignored all game long? I mean...cumong man.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Given||
Their propensity to NEVER call holding on the OL...yeah, I call bullshit on the Henry holding. Even if it could technically be called...holy hell I saw at least a handful of obvious holds by PSU guys and...nothing.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah...||
That was borderline. Got away with one.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||WHERES THE FLAG REFS??||
Something good happened! Surely it was illegal!
|10 weeks 6 days ago||These refs.,.||
I'm seething with rage, man.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Eh||
When more than half of your first downs come on penalty, the refs surely have something to do with it. But I get what you're saying...missing too many chances to put them away.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Lol overturned||
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Targeting, will get overturned||
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Does Penn State not commit penalties?||
I'm so sick of one-sided officiating against us.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||You can't just fully abandon the run game||
You can't just fully abandon the run game, tho. Last week M was 62% pass. Making that number go higher I think has diminishing returns, and might make things worse. Plus Smith has had a few positive runs. So it's not anything like the 27 for 27 game a couple years ago.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah I agree||
Gotta find a run game somehow. Im not sure they can tho...at this point it is what it is, I guess. Thankfully Rudock has blossomed into the guy we hoped he would when we got him, and our receivers have really grown too.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Michigan is clearly the better team||
But they can never seem to get out of their own way. Too many plays left on the field. Peppers should have knocked that pass down. Lewis trips over himself. Punt gets blocked. Dumb offsides and false starts.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||I must be the only one||
I'm surprisingly unconcerned about this game...I mean, PSU could totally win, but the only way they do it is if their D can completely shut down our offense. And I think Rudock has turned a corner...sure, the offense will struggle at times, but I think Rudock is going to make some nice throws and that will be the difference.
LAST week was my irrational fear week. And I watched that game like I knew it would happen too...fortunately, they found a way to win. But it had set up perfectly against Michigan...losing Glasgow and not knowing how the team would adjust to it, an Indiana team that is suddenly healthy and has played pretty much EVERYONE tough even when they didn't have Sudfield and/or Howard healthy, the "law of averages" and irrational "of course this would happen to Michigan" effect of "hey at some point Indiana is going to win one of these games, you guys", plus a Michigan team with road struggles last few years, and oh yeah it was a 3:30 game so the 2nd half is basically night-game voodoo shenanigans...there was a lot to worry about last week.
This week...the worries are not as strong. Which has me a bit worried. I mean, should I be more worried? Gah! I don't know!
I think the D is going to look much improved compared to last week, but both matchups feel like a sludgefartian wash. And honestly? I feel like the difference in the game will come down to coaching. The one area Michigan has a very obvious advantage. (I mean,really, lest we forget....Franklin out-Hoked Hoke last year.)
We got the weird voodoo games out of the way (MSU, Minnesota), and the obvious ITS A TRAP game last week.
I'm feeling ok about this one though. Not going to be easy of course, but I'm liking Michigan's odds.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||He didn't even hit the shot...||
I'm so confused by this "highlight".
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Leaving an undefeated power 5 out||
Would cause an uproar that may instantly expand the playoff to 8 and/or dissolve the committee approach altogether. Not to mention the Big 12 would disband immediately (in which case..,hey, OU, we have a spot for you in the Big Ten West if you're interested!) or be forced to add teams right now (BYU is one, no idea who the other should be tho)
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Yes they do||
Otherwise you're leaving it in the hands of the committee, who could very well pick Stanford over Michigan in the situation where they win out. Now, I find that unlikely, but then again Stanford is still a spot ahead despite losing to Oregon and the committee's general love for Stanford leaves reasonable doubt. It's a slam dunk if Stanford loses to USC in their championship tho.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||That's fair...but||
That's fair, but they're not getting a pass imo. OSU isn't #1, for one, and for two, they returned a lot of guys from last year and 10 games in are still 10-0. It sure hasn't been pretty, but their spot in the top 4 isn't even In question at this point, much the same as FSU last year. And ND doesn't have either of those things (not undefeated, not defending champs), plus no marquee win...and they should be in the top 4? That's hogwash. Okie State and Oklahoma have better overall resumes than ND right now...well, Oklahoma at least has a very strong argument over ND even despite losing to Texas (somehow).
|11 weeks 2 days ago||OSU hasn't lost yet||
Plus they're still the defending champs -and until they lose, that still means something.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah I agree||
Not to mention the way they came out in the 3rd quarter felt like a vintage Hoke team, unprepared to play.
I think sometimes we do have to remind ourselves it's year 1 for Harbaugh, and they still have a lot of that Hoke-like mentality in them. I'm happy the D was able to turn it up at the last moment to win the game, but man, between this game and the Minnesota game you can really tell that this team still has a long way to go to shake off the Hokian road game woes. Which is a bit worrisome for this weekend vs. PSU...we'll see if the tough wins @Minnesota and @Indiana, despite not playing their best, has sufficiently "steeled their spine" for the next one.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Great writeup, as usual.||
Here's my narrative. Indiana was the classic trap game scenario, and it was exasperated by how the now injury-depleted DL played right into Indiana's hands. I mentioned this in another thread, but literally everyone in the top 25 has at least one of these games at some point in the year. Championship-caliber programs find ways to win these games that they should probably lose. The way our D was getting gashed at the end, and with how we couldn't get any run game going against a bad D and kept shooting ourselves in the foot with false starts - yeah, Michigan probably deserved to lose. But, a funny thing happened...Jake MF Rudock. And Chesson and Darboh played like they were legit #1 and #2 receivers rather than #2 and #3 receivers lacking a real #1. And Jake Butt was Jake MF Butt.
And like i said, go down the list of the top 25, you find these games everywhere, where the better team almost or actually does lose to a clearly inferior opponent. Alabama won a 5 point game against Tennessee and actually DID lose to Ole Miss at home (yes, it was an anomoly...but they still lost and it's not like that miracle TD Ole Miss had was the only reason they won). Ohio State had close games against Indiana and fricking Northern Illinois. Clemson beat Lousiville by 3 whole points and Syracuse by 10. Notre Dame almost lost to Virginia earlier in the year, and played Temple close (now, Temple is pretty good, but I still think any top 10 team should be able to handle them without too much trouble). Okie State almost lost to Texas, Kansas State, and most recently Iowa State. Iowa had a tough game at home against Indiana (gee, notice a pattern with them?), plus a 3 point win over Pitt and a recent 5 point win over Minnesota. Oklahoma actually DID lose to Texas, and honestly they look like the second best team in the country behind only Alabama in my opinion. Florida almost lost to fricking VANDERBILT, for crying out loud. MSU...we all know their struggles with inferior opponents. They didn't exactly look all that great against Maryland either. Baylor may be an exception...but they also still don't have a win against ANY team with a winning record. TCU barely escaped with a win at Texas Tech (on a lucky ass touchdown at the end) and beat by far the worst power 5 team in the country, a team they were favored by like 45 points, by 7. (Sure they lost Boykin...that's not a good enough excuse for that game to me, though...)
And on and on and on...
So it's important to not overreact to what happened on Saturday. It was a bad game and it's a bit frightening to think of weaknesses that were exposed. But, this is why we all think coaches are worth the money they're paid. Let's see how Michigan schemes around a sudden weakness in the middle of their DL. Plus let's not lose perspective...Michigan sits at 8-2, already 3 games better than last year with still at least 3 games comign up to get more wins. Many I think would have been satisfied with 8 wins prior to the season starting in year 1. We're already there, and still have an actual shot to win the Big Ten. I don't know if they can do it, I'm skeptical, but thank God for Harbaugh and company.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Right||
Notre Dame almost lost to Virginia. TCU almost lost to Texas Tech, and played like crap against Kansas (I know Boykin went down...but still, Kansas might be worse than every single opponent Michigan has played this year). Okie State almost lost to Iowa State, Texas, and Kansas State. Alabama almost lost to Tennessee. Florida almost lost to lowly Vanderbilt...VANDERBILT! Oklahoma DID lose to Texas. Clemson only beat Louisville by 3, and Syracuse by 10. Ohio State almost lost to Northern Illinois, in addition to a close game with Indiana. Baylor still hasn't beaten a team with a winning record. Sparty has Purdue and Indiana and Rutgers. Iowa only won by 5 against Minny, in addition to a close game with Indiana.
So yeah, I think people are overreacting to one game. Everyone has games like that against overmatched opponents. Everyone. There's a reason why the term "survive and advance" exists in sports. Because while we all hope our team plays its absolute best each week, it NEVER works out that way. Being human and all that.
I think Indiana was the perfect storm for the defense. They had employed the two-safety against previous spread teams to great effect. It was a huge vulnerability against Indiana partially because INdiana was better equipped to exploit the weakness, but also because Glasgow went down and our DL is suddenly lacking depth. But...they came out of it with a win. And that's all that matters!
|11 weeks 4 days ago||No way||
I hope everyone learned their lesson from the Bama-LSU rematch snoozefest. Nobody wants a rematch except the fans of the team that lost. I want to see the best teams from around the country play each other. Teams who generally haven't played each other yet. And I hope the committee has this mindset too...But since ND feels the need to be speshul, they are getting speshul treatment. And I think it's bullshit.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||The refs weren't noticably terrible||
They weren't great, but, I wasn't ever truly outraged at something in the game. Yeah, the lack of holding calls was annoying as fuck, but Michigan definitely benefitted from some questionable penalties against IU as well.
But yeah, the holding man. What does it take to call it? There was one play where Brock the color guy said "Harbaugh's yelling for holding but in my opinion there wasn't much there", and once again I rolled my eyes. Because it was a play with a CLEAR hold on an edge defender that helped the RB get to the edge. No call. I guess we just have to accept that's the way it is. As long as they're consistent - and at least they were fairly consistent with their standard yesterday. That's all I ask.
On a tangential note, it's especially annoying that holding is never called in college because in the NFL the standard is completely different. Holding is called frequently, and often on plays that aren't even close to holding. Now, I don't want that in college. But...when one team is gaining huge chunks of yards with assisstance by holding, it's not too much to ask for a flag or two once in awhile.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||This is a really interesting question||
I've questioned this too. You need ten yards anyway from the ten, but if you were at the 11-20 yard line you have more opportunities to take a shot at the Endzone, since you can still get a 1st down without a TD. Plus 1st and goal from less than ten is preferable to 1st and goal from the ten.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Oh hell yes.||
They clearly were rooting for Indiana, which I guess isn't surprising. And yeah, incredibly annoying.
But...things like on that 3rd and goal at the end of regulation, when M tried a toss play to the left that, well, did not work. And the PBP said somethign like "if Michigan loses, they're going to be talking about and questioning THAT play call for a looooooong time". I rolled my eyes. Hyperbole, much?
|11 weeks 5 days ago||And against fucking RUTGERS too||
On a ho hum play.
Goddamnit why can't we ever fucking have nice things.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||I'm not liking the vibe of this game right now...||
Way too many costly mistakes being made.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||They||
They are the very definition of a team that plays up or down to its opponent's level. This is nowhere near the same MSU we had to play. Also, refs.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||So...||
Did MSU just give up running the ball? They don't really look much better than Maryland, and Maryland has been TERRIBLE in this game so far.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Maryland now has 32 turnovers this year...||
...I'm just.....HOW? How is that even possible????
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Holy wow that was terrible||
Maryland is sooooooooo bad. That was a gawdawful pick 6.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||And...,||
Three and out. Lol.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah||
Maryland is absolutely begging MSU to score on them. Third straight drive MSU starts in Maryland territory.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Maryland sucks||
Yet getting 0 points after the other team shanks two punts in a row seems worse.
|12 weeks 6 hours ago||Don't care, got Harbaugh||
My initial response to this Hoke story was to shake my head and chuckle, but there's nothing in it that demonstrates why Hoke was or was not a good coach. I mean, inevitably some will look at is as "welp, no wonder he was a bad coach", but to me that's just lazy (and incorrect) analysis.
It's just a funny story. The end.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Pavel||
Pavel isn't going to be around here for 7 more years. He's just not. So that may be a good reason to sign him short-term, but it's no reason to go for 7 years with the guy.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||I agree with you||
Kenny, I understand it's hard to find a power forward who can put up 20+ in a year. But he's done it ONCE. You know who else had a 20-goal season once? Kris Draper (who was one of my favorite Wings, but he was definitively not a top 6 guy). I have no problem giving Abby a chance to demonstrate he can maintain that goal production with top line minutes, but 7 years is way over the top.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||That's exactly what makes it so crazy||
Abbie is not going to be in the top 6 for longer than 3 years, tops. Power forwards simply do not last long, the ones that do are few and far between. And Abbie had just barely established himself as a top 6 guy, but I'm extremely skeptical he has what it takes to keep up the pace from last year. A 3-year contract would be teh ideal length, I might even accept 4...but 7 is cray.
So, assuming we can get 3 good years of top 6 value from him (which is a big assumption), then for four more years, he's going to be an overpaid 3rd-4th line grinder, even when considering cap increases during that time.
It's just...ugh. Sometimes it's OK to move on from a guy who was good for you up until now. Kenny seems to have forgotten that. Far too much loyalty lately...
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Smaller stickers||
It's such an easy solution it's stupid. I'm not against the use of helmet stickers, but I really hate the current size of the stickers.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Obviously correct||
At what point is it not correct? That's imo what Harbaugh is arguing. How long does Butt have to wait before he can line up? He doesn't HAVE to huddle up...nobody does! Is it a matter of not lining up outside the numbers? Again, nothing in the rules specifically is against that.
These details matter. You say it was obviously called correctly, and I somewhat agree, but Harbaugh's point is the rule is ridiculously vague and he wants clarity on what would have been acceptable in that situation. That's all.
Football is a giant game of deceiving your opponent. So it seems rather arbitrary to punish a team that, yes, was trying to deceive, but at least was making an attempt to do it within the confines of the game (which is why Butt specifically waited for the guys substituting to mostly clear the field before making his jog).
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Option 3 all day||
It feels like stealing to get a one-in-four chance to win it all right now, with 6 wins and a lot of uncontrollable chaos needed to get there. Especially since the list of wins would not only include PSU, OSU, and Iowa, but also two very very good teams like Alabama and Clemson. Even in a hypothetical year where Michigan is 9-0 right now, getting 25% odds to win it all would be astronomically high at this juncture.
The only way I'd trade that with option 1 is if you gave me 90% odds to win the Rose Bowl.
And option 3 >>> option 2 because if you assign coinflip odds of winning the two playoff games once you get there, that essential 25% chance of winning it all times the 50% chance you're giving me in option 2 is equal to 12.5% odds, and in option 3 you are giving me DOUBLE that chance to win it all right now.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||I also wonder about this||
At first when targeting became a new rule the 15 yard penalty was always enforced even if the suspension got overturned. That made no sense.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Mostly meh||
The OL has done ok...they're creating some creases, but they don't seem to hold blocks very long, and are pretty inconsistent in general. The RBs are partially to blame for yards left on the field too.
However, I also think recent opponents have geared up specifically to stop the run and dare Rudock to beat them through the air. It worked to a certain extent for Minnesota, and definitely for MSU, so it's no wonder that Rutgers basically tried the same thing. It's still a bit disappointing that we couldn't do much on the ground against fricking Rutgers despite this.
On the other hand, OL has been great in pass protection.
So yeah, our success against the last few opponents' defenses seems to hinge on the passing game. I don't necessarily think we have to hit a "deep pass" to win, to me that problem is overstated. But if we can hit a few well-executed screens and consistently hit midrange downfield passes, that can soften up the D to get more yards on the ground. Maybe take a shot or two to Chesson deep, and if they hit it's a bonus at this point. Harbaugh has demonstrated the ability to have decent success with his offense even without a viable over-the-top threat.
|12 weeks 4 days ago||At least they got a statement.||
Still waiting for the Big Ten to say something about the atrocity of a targeting call on Bolden...
|12 weeks 5 days ago||I know it's just one spot difference||
Still, NW has done surprisingly well with a tough schedule, they deserve more credit than that.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Why in the world is Wisconsin ahead of NW?||
Who have they beaten this year? Their best win is literally at Nebraska.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Amazing how Nebraska||
Amazing how Nebraska still almost found a way to fuck that up...WTF was with that kickoff anyway? They basically gave MSU a chance to get into FG range when there was no reason to.
But no matter...about time Sparty got some bad juju its way, after all the rainbows shitting out of their ass this year. Karma's a bitch, Sparty.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Amazing how Nebraska||
Amazing how Nebraska still almost found a way to fuck that up...WTF was with that kickoff anyway? They basically gave MSU a chance to get into FG range when there was no reason to.
But no matter...about time Sparty got some bad juju its way. Karma's a bitch, Sparty.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||LOL||
I guess Gary Danielson is an open Alabama homer. He says "NOPE" when the LSU receiver very clearly - and I mean, really, not even close - caught the ball on a key 3rd and long from their own 2. No idea what the hell he was watching, but it was an incredible pass and catch play at a key moment by LSU, and the play deserved better announcing than that.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Here's my snowflake||
But I mean seriously, what's it going to take for a targeting call - good or bad (lord knows most of the upheld ones are bad calls anyway) - to actually go in Michigan's favor for once???
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Yup||
A totally horrific drive on which they gave up 0 points. Just horrific.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Honestly||
It feels like many of the yards they're getting is because of blatant holds that go uncalled. Not all, of course. But many.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||"Good protection"||
Guy was held like crazy. Yeah. great protection.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Clearly that pass to Butt||
was intent to deceive.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||I'm sorry||
I"m so fucking mad at the officiating. It's so blatantly one-sided. That was a blindside hit to the head...if it's not targeting it's at the very least still a penalty. Add that to the "attempt to deceive" bullshit THAT IS JUST FUCKING CALLED FOOTBALL, multiple phantom PI calls, and oh yeah a few blatant holds that go uncalled on Rutgers...and seriously, what the flying fuck is going on? Like, I'm totally ready to start believing conspiracy theories. It's beyond a fucking joke. It completely takes the joy out of watching the game.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Can SOMEONE explain to me||
How in the flying FUCK that's NOT targeting? The only every time I've EVER seen them pick up a targeting flag this year has been against Michigan. What the FUCK is going it?
|12 weeks 6 days ago||UNfuckingbelievable.||
I just...I can't. I can't.
FUCK EVERY FUCKING THING.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||OH hey look...a flag||
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME WITH THAT CALL???? ATTEMPT TO DECEIVE??? ITS FUCKING FOOTBALL GODDAMNIT.
Refs....I'm done with them.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||LOL||
Seriously jobbed by the refs. Here's a rant dedicated to LSA....FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCKING REFS WHAT THE FLYING FUCK.
Oh hey! An INT! FUCKING WOOO!
AND they called a hold on Rutgers! FUCKING WOO TIMES TWOO
|12 weeks 6 days ago||Refs determined to keep Rutgers in the game||
I mean seriously. WTF.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||Oh they called a hold, finally!||
Oh wait...on the defense. On a nothing hold, that had nothing to do with the play.
Fuck you, refs.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||OK I wasn't going crazy||
That was a terrible spot by the refs.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||Eh||
I'd be more concerned about ST, but everyone has an off day. I'd rather it happen against Rutgers than anyone else. The offense has been clicking on all cylinders and the D has been good except for one busted 54-yard run.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||That penalty was atrocious (the hit on Hack)||
But NW has nobody but itself to blame. Why the hell are you even going after that punt and risking a roughing the kicker? You're up 13 and have no reason to take that risk, with how your O and D have been playing.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||Yup||
And that's just the 1st quarter.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||Lol||
NW is getting hosed by the refs. Obvious PI goes uncalled.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||Targeting?||
Continue not to understand the penalty...dude took a direct hard helmet-to-helmet contact. So...who the hell knows what targeting is anymore.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||Logged in||
Just to say how awful that unnecessary roughness penalty call was. It was only unnecessary because the ref hadn't blown the fricking whistle yet.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||...hmmm||
Could Jim Harbaugh be the NFL's new version of Jon Gruden? Certainly loooks that way.
|13 weeks 2 days ago||Oh geez.||
I mean, you're comparing a guy who has already won a superbowl and was two yards away from another to a guy who would be lucky to get looked at at all by the NFL.
There's juuuuuuust a bit of a talent gap there.
And I love Rudock and feel like he gets way too much crap from people here. I, too, wish our QB situation was better. But it's not. We have to accept it.
I mean, what did we want out of Rudock? A game-manager type QB. Just don't lose us the game, guy. Hit a big play every now and then.
What have we got? Well, early-season INTs were a bit alarming, but he's calmed down significantly in the turnover department (neither turnover against Minnesota was that alarming, though the shovel pass was definitely an ill-advised risk). As for the long balls? yeah, it's upsetting he hasn't hit one...but he's still leading an offense that's putting up points. He led the offense to 21 through 3 quarters...I don't give a shit how many yards he does or doesn't have, I just want the points. How many points did we put up against Minnesota last year? 14, total. And 7 of those was from a 4-play 47-yard drive of exclusively runs. Morris and Gardner threw for a combined...wait for it.....88 yards. Total. Super terrible no good Rudock threw for 140 in roughly 2 1/2 quarters of action before injured.
I mean, it's like people forget how turrible we were last year, and that was an offense with a 5th year QB (who was inexplicably benched in hindsight), a clear #1 receiving threat, and basically the same running back corps we are using now. He wasn't going to come in and magically fix all our problems. Perhaps we were a bit arrogant to think he would be significantly better than this. I mean, he basically led the offense to do just enough against MSU to actually win the game before they didn't on the gift 6. And that was with a barely extant run attack in the game, if you could even say that.
I get the criticism, I don't get the constant need to bash and downplay a guy who, despite all his faults to this point, is very clearly an important leader to this team and the coaches, and is still very clearly the #1 guy.
|13 weeks 2 days ago||It's too early||
It will sort itself out...Bama and LSU will take care of itself, TCU-Baylor-OkieState will take care of itself (and will get ranked higher when they actually finally play real opponents - each other, plus OU). MSU can feel disrespek, but they still have a game against #3 and should they win that, a game against a possibly undefeated Iowa in Indy. There's no doubt an undefeated Big Ten team gets in, so really I don't want to hear any whiny Spartans at this point.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||It's a hell of a lot better than the NFL||
Just on Sunday, I was happily entertained by the arena-league Saints vs. Giants game, and was excited to see how it finished. And with about 10 minutes left in teh 4th quarter, by "NFL rules", they had to jump over to the beginning of the Dallas-Seattle game. Laaaame.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Great writeup||
Your summary basically mimics my own, and yeah, it's probably a bit overstated, bit it's hard not to notice.
To me, Michigan exorcised many many demons on Saturday. Ugly as it was, this win may prove to be the first real turning point in the Harbaugh era. Because every single demon converged on the Wolverines in this game, and while it was clearly having a negative effect on their play (I mean seriously, the D is better than that), they still found a way in the end.
Let us count those demons that had to be overcome:
|13 weeks 4 days ago||OK||
This is a perfect time to remind everyone that Minnesota gave TCU a good, close game. The same TCU that is undefeated and may very well wind up in the CoFoPo (especially now that Baylor lost its starting QB).
So, I think it's OK to give Minnesota a little bit of credit. The hypothetical Minnesota-Tennessee matchup might be closer than you think.
We sure love to downplay all non-MSU and OSU oppenents around these parts.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||This||
This is why I'm so livid with the rule and the 3 incidents against Rudock that went uncalled/overturned. Because both hits on Rudock were far more closer to targeting than this actually upheld targeting call where the TT defender actually wraps his arms on the tackle and never actually targets the Okie State player's head, even though technically their face masks collided on the hit.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Also||
Each was way more targeting than two separate targeting calls that got upheld in other games I watched.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah||
However, his end of half and game time management was cringeworthy. He had about 25 seconds to get a TD at half...but rather than taking a couple shots he settles way too early for a FG.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Nope. No way.||
I've seen targeting applied on WAY less. And until they get it right on all calls, I will be upset on this one. It actually resulted in an injury. If ever there was a time to apply the targeting rul, especially with how liberal they have been doing it across ALL college football all year long (and how many have been horribly called), this was it.
I don't think it's homerism. I think M fans are quite understandably bitter about how this horrible rule has been consistently wrongly applied to them, especially given how it's been applied in other games.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Rudock||
Rudock led 3 drives to 21 points, including an important long drive to start the 3rd quarter and regain a lead right after Minnnesota had taken all momentum in the locker room.
Speight led one short drive to 8 points, though he made a couple of gutsy improv-type throws to get that done.
Maybe we should give credit to both? Crazy thought, I know.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||So far today||
I've seen two really bad targeting calls, one against Texas Tech and one against ND just a few minutes ago. And one very clear targeting that wasn't against Rudock. That was actually targeting, as defined in teh rule book...he launched at Rudock's chin, and Rudock was standing straight up. THATS what is actual supposed to be called targeting.
But very rarely do they ever get it right it seems. The rule is stupid...just get rid of it.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Bye bye redshirt||
Can we ever get a fucking break. I hope Rudock is ok.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Dude||
Fuck off with this attitude. Seriously.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||To me||
Here's the deal...the D has been pretty inconsistent. They've also been incredibly unlucky. Yet we still held them 3 out of 4 times to just a field goal, bad luck and all. Honestly Minny should have at least 4-8 more points than they do now, since two of the stops were on the goalline. And our offense has been bad most the half. Quite frankly we're lucky to be down by only 2.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Ok||
What in the actual fuck.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||WOOOO WE CAN HAZ NICE THINGS||
But seriously, I'm glad he sees the value in education. I mean, he'll make a ton of money in the NFL, but oftentimes athletes are very short-sighted in that regard...most careers in the NFL are short and fleeting. You could call it a risk because the potential of injury next year might damage draft stock or worse, but to me there's also significant risk to NOT complete your education especially from a place like Michigan, and that never really gets discussed as part of the risk equation.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||As an NHL fan||
As an NHL fan, ESPN lost me a long time ago. I get that the NHL isn't as popular...but they feel the need to openly ridicule and mock a sport I have loved since a kid, and basically ignore that it exists. And then they still somehow show two seconds of highlights once a day, and it's incredibly painful to watch one of the anchors just completely and utterly fail at describing the action. And also they employ Barry Melrose.
But if we have some offseason baseball news, or Lebron opens his mouth, or some BALLS were ZOMG UNDERINFLATED by the CHEATING CHEATERS OF NEW CHEATERLAND, then WATCH OUT.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Let's do what Brian said||
Let's just....stop talking about it. It happened. It was a horrible act of the football gods. It sucked. It's never going to happen again. The end.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Holy fuck||
These announcers are insufferable Sparty homers. That was close to a late hit, but it wasn't as obvious as they made it out to be. Good God.
|15 weeks 7 hours ago||Funny||
How we can look at a historically improbable play that stats tell us was a 1 in 500 occurrence and feelingsball tells us it was lower than that, and conclude the guy that happened to got somehow outcoacjef, as if Dantonio's mad skills caused Blake to drop that punt, just like they drew it up.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||He didn't need to win big!||
He needed to look like he was BUILDING something, for fucks sake! Going from 11 to 8 to 7 to 5, is the opposite. And if that's not enough...the wins last year were even awful. They weren't pretty.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||Yup||
Like RR's disastrous 2010 defense, when you're young at key position groups and as a whole unit, we don't expect the world, but we do expect something better than "historically awful".
|15 weeks 2 days ago||Yup||
The only reasonable alternative on that play is to snap the ball to the QB, have him roll out and buy some time, then chuck it as far and high down teh field out of bounds as possible. But...first of all, do we relaly trust our OL against the DL in that situation more than we trust the special teams and punter? Secondly, with 10 seconds left, will the play actually run out the clock, or will state be left with a Hail mary with 1 second left? If the clock was at 5 seconds, yeah, maybe you just try to run the clock out with an offensive snap. But not 10 seconds. Small but significnat difference.
And I mean, really, Hoke is being dishonest. He would do exactly what Harbaugh did in that situation...and every other effing coach in the country too. Maybe now it gives coaches something to think about when punting with that muhc time left near midfield...but...I mean, there's absolutely no criticism to be had on the decision to go for it, and anyone who says otherwise is, frankly, dumb. So congrats, Brady Hoke! You know how the coaching intelligence of Mark May.
|15 weeks 2 days ago||To be fair||
The number of improbable events that had to occur at exactly the right times to even have a shot at landing Harbaugh was pretty damn awesome. The universe definitely aligned for us at the absolute perfect moment, otherwise this program would be staring into the abyss of endless mediocrity. We had basically reached the event horizon...one more non-Harbaugh coach surely would have plummeted us that way. Instead we got our man, and half a season in we're nationally relevant again. If there's an added cost of a historically flukey/bad loss - fine. That's just one bump in the road to greatness.
|15 weeks 2 days ago||Great attitude||
It looks like he doesn't care...but that's not true. The truth is he's moved on. And I think everyone, MSU &Um fans and media, would do well to follow. Perspective is needed. It's not the end of the world. It's just one game. With a bad ending for us. But...that's life. Bad things happen every now and then, for no reason at all sometimes. Let's stop trying to over analyze and overreact to it, and make it out to be something much more than it was. Yes, It sucked. But It's over. It's just one game. Time to move on.
|15 weeks 3 days ago||Oh I think it's far more than that.||
To me the majority of targeting I've seen this were were on hits that were nowhere near "forcible" and sometimes were unavoidable and the defender appears to be letting up at the end.
|15 weeks 3 days ago||Two days removed from the game....||
Shocking we'd still be talking about it, I know.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||But that's an incomplete view||
If you add special teams yards to offensive yards - and really you should - then the game was essentially 50-50. We get away with only comparing offensive yards most of the time because there's usually not much discrepancy in ST yards. On Saturday, there was. This yards count too.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||On yards.||
Philip Rivers had 503 yards passing and he lost yesterday. Yards don't mean shit anymore in football. I mean, obviously yards > no yards, but if we're talking about who "should" be winning? No, I don't care who had more yards. Michigan had more yards than ND last year....anyone think we "should" have been the one winning that game? I didn't think so .
|15 weeks 4 days ago||Exactly||
He was perfect in addressing the officiating. He clearly wanted to say more, but purposefully restrained himself to avoid going overboard and inciting potential punishment. He said just as much as needed to be said to demonstrate that, yeah, he was quite upset with the refs yesterday. Without directly saying it.
Drew Sharp is a fucking moron.
That is all.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Bortles or Mariota?||
Seems like a crapshoot but Ive got Mariota starting at the moment.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||I watched a QB||
That completed 62% of his passes and no interceptions. He made a few nice downfield throws in 3rd and long situations...tho he did miss Chesson in the 4th quarter. But Plays scared? Please. He played well enough to win, with this defense. That's all we can ask for really, isn't it?
|15 weeks 5 days ago||I just now saw that||
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Someone explain the situation||
Where MSU loses to OSU and we beat OSU...that would leave a 3-way tie for the East division, right? What's the tiebreak in that situation? Not saying it will happen, but I haven't heard anyone talk about this scenario...just curious.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Do feel for Blake||
Kid will obviously not be able to sleep tonight.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Rudock is consistently underrated||
He is what he is, but you're still not giving him enough credit. His run game was practically nonexistent. He made a few really nice downfield throws. Helped his team put up 23 points. 62% completions. Zero turnovers. Against MSU, with our D? That should be enough. It pretty much was anyway. At some point we have to accept Rudock for who he is..,we have to STOP blaming him for things that we should not be expecting him to do! He could have been better, sure. But he was good enough today. That's all we can really ask for this year.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||I agree||
I do actually think the coaches have some significant culpability here.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Second||
Yeah they're overachieving. No shit. I'll eventually come around to being optimistic again. Right now tho? Still barely 2 hours removed from the end of...THAT? No way, man. We had them. We fucking HAD them.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Well I mean||
Yeah there are improvements to be made. Obviously. Was disappointed in the defense for some stretches of the game, and the offense in others.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||And seriously||
Anyone saying this loss is on Rudock - fuck you. Honestly, you are the worst kind of fan. They won the fucking game! Until the punter dropped it. That's not on Rudock. Stop blaming everything on Rudock damnit. It's infuriating.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Fuck this.||
No. He. Fucking. Didn't.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Just watched another replay||
After wanting to throw up again, realized that had he just fallen on it Michigan still wins most likely. They're out of FG range but they could have attempted an improbable Hail Mary.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Yup||
And he was also the ONLY reason we lost.
|15 weeks 6 days ago||Please tell me||
That somebody printed out that picture of Dantonio talking to Cook with Pringles on their shoulders.
|16 weeks 3 hours ago||Point well taken||
Point well taken, I see exactly what you're saying.
|16 weeks 5 hours ago||Jake Rudock||
Launches a bomb early on that GASP works. MSU comes away with a halftime lead though, something like 13-7. The DL struggles to get pressure in the 1st quarter, MSU gets a bunch of non-calls on holding, and MSU drives down the field a few times getting one TD and 2 FGs.
|16 weeks 5 hours ago||Thank you||
Thank you Mack Brown for your insightful analysis, especially point 6.
|16 weeks 5 hours ago||They're intertwined in my mind.||
I mean, obviously success builds confidence. But, you also have to have confidence to be successful. A well-coached team is confident because they know exactly what they're doing on the field. Harbaugh's hyper-competetiveness works because he instills the mindset to just FUCKING WIN no matter what. That's confidence. To by a cocky-sumbitch and say "I'm going to win" even before considering whether you're good enough to win is the exact type of confidence that can breed success.
I mean, maybe that's overstated. But I don't think the effect of confidence on success is zero. I think that's precisely why the Utah game, while shaky throughout, was a dogfight the whole time despite the numerous mistakes Michigan kept making. In the past that team would have folded and barely made a whimper by the end.
|16 weeks 17 hours ago||To me||
The fact that their lines are statistically similar but the results are dramatically different so far leads to one and only one insightful conclusion -COACHING.
|16 weeks 17 hours ago||I don't get it||
They talk about there being too much hype...and then one guy goes and picks Florida despite losing their starting QB. As if they're not overhyped. Because SEC I'm sure.
|16 weeks 1 day ago||This is so dumb.,||
Historically speaking, elite coaches tend to win big by years 2-4. The fact that Michigan has a small but nonzero chance to win THIS year is a testament not only to the elite caliber of coaches we have now, but also to the type of recruits that Hoke brought in before his downfall. Urban Meyer has done nothing but win at OSU, including a national championship...are we to believe he SHOULDN'T have won in year 1? Come on. That's nonsense.
|16 weeks 1 day ago||To me||
We scorched NW without a single over-the-top completion...we can do the same thing and beat Sparty. I don't think a deep pass is the key to beating them, but I do think Rudock's success throwing the ball down the field in general will be a key, as I think MSU is going to load up to take away the run and dare us to pass.
|16 weeks 1 day ago||Nope||
Brady Hoke did too.
|16 weeks 1 day ago||I felt that way for awhile||
Until it was apparent Hoke was in over his head...and the clapping became more of a desperation move and a symbol of this incompetence than anything. Harbaugh claps, yes...he also chews out the refs when they make an obviously horrific call, and he wears a headset, and he calls plays...he's more directly involved in the game. Hoke it always felt like was just...there. Didn't seem like he was doing much coaching in game, and the clapping was symbolic of that.
|16 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah sorry||
I can almost give OSU the benefit-of-the-doubt for being bored. But not MSU. Bored or not, you STILL gave two bottom-dwellers in a row a chance to drive and tie or win the game late in the 4th quarter. At some point, "boredom" is not a good excuse. We can't get away with "boredom" as an excuse for Akron(!!!!) and Uconn(!!!!) a couple years ago. I don't see how MSU should either.
Their best win was to an Oregon team that has since been obliterated by a top 5 team and lost to a below-average Washington State (the same WSU that very nearly lost to Rutgers and actually lost to an FCS team this year). So Oregon is pretty mediocre this year...and there's no chance in hell you can call that game "boredom". Yet, Oregon was one missed pass away from a lead in the 4th quarter (if I recall that correctly).
My take is that MSU just isn't as good as recent years. That's not to say they're not good...I firmly believe they have yet to play their best game and that game will be this Saturday. But...the question is, will that be enough? Because Jim Harbaugh is sure as hell going to get Michigan to bring it's A-game this weekend. And we already know what that looks like...and it's kinda scary if I'm MSU. But we have no idea what MSU's A-game really looks like...if the Oregon game was their A-game, barring some strange rivalry-type stuff Michigan should win comfortably. If they have another level above that, it will be a close game.
|16 weeks 1 day ago||Eh||
You have a problem if it takes you being a 9-point underdog to get you fired up to play your biggest rival. They'd find a way to put that chip on their shoulder even if they were favored in this game.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Jemele Hill||
Kidding, guys. Kidding.
Seriously, it's probably Magic Johnson, Drew Miller, and Justin Abdelkader. And that's pretty much it. I can appreciate the caliber of coaches of both Dantonio and Izzo, but I don't like them. And actually now that I think about it, I do kinda like Nick Saban, especially when he yells at the media.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Oh perfect||
Now it all makes sense. This INT was 100% the work of Lewis...it's a great PBU that we've seen all year from him except this time he actually swatted the ball into his lap. So really it wasn't as close to a catch as I had thought originally (thought maybe the ball bounced out of the receivers hands and he just was there to nab it at the perfect time or something)