in re: is GRIII on a tear
|20 hours 13 min ago||Honest question||
Can they do that? Had it been done before? I don't care if it's shared or not (the award shouldn't be a competition, but about recognition. And clearly both guys deserve it).
|2 days 6 hours ago||This year, hands down.||
Went 7-2 on the road, which is pretty remarkable in college basketball, especially with wins @Wisky, @MSU, @OSU. Won the conference outright for the first time since I was born (I looked it up...in 1986 they got the title on March 8th with a win against Indiana, 8 days before I was born). Did so with a game at hand too. And then decided to beat IU today for shits and giggles, finishing 15-3, which is actually one game better than that 1986 squad. Swept MSU. Beat literally every team in teh conference at least once.
If we're comparing regular seasons, it's not even close to close.
|5 days 11 hours ago||Perhaps||
OMG BERSKETBERLL has something to do with the lack of much football news.
|5 days 11 hours ago||FYI||
Legwand has 40 points on a team that is 27th in the league in goals scored. And that would be good enough for 2nd in scoring on the Wings' current roster.
|5 days 17 hours ago||Not only kicking||
but also in terms of offensive-defensive strategy for plays near hash marks versus the center of the field. It's why in college you get weird game-within-the-game situations like fast-paced teams keeping the ball on the hash mark furthest away from the opponent, making it more difficult for the defense to make substitutions on the fly.
How many times have you seen an NFL team center a kick with a snap? It happens in college all the time, yet I can't remember a single instance in teh NFL.
Make the hash marks wider, then add a rule where extra points start from where the touchdown was scored (if it's beyond the hash amrk, the ball gets placed on the hash mark). I have to imagine extra point percentages would decrease from that. It's hard to make a short kick at a more extreme angle.
But yeah, I've never understood why hashes are so close together in the NFL. Never made sense.
|5 days 17 hours ago||How many points are scored from center-QB exchanges?||
In other words, your analogy makes no sense.
|5 days 17 hours ago||How many points are scored from center-QB exchanges?||
In other words, your analogy makes no sense.
|5 days 17 hours ago||Agree||
I think Miles might deserve it if he gets NU to the tourney, though even then it shouldn't be a slam dunk.
|6 days 8 hours ago||Go freaking blue!||
Screw you guys, this is OUR banner. No sharing allowed!
|6 days 17 hours ago||Yikes this is no joke||
I really disdain Urban, but I would never wish for such health problems on my worst enemy. Dudes getting a hole drilled in his skull...minor surgery or not, that sounds like no fun at all. Hope for a speedy recovery.
|1 week 11 hours ago||And this is exactly why I hope the Selection Committee||
doesn't take it into account.
Even if the ranking is sensible, there is far too much room for ESPN to tweak them to fit their personal agenda. And I mean, we could blindly trust that ESPN would not do that...but come on. The whole idea of rankings is to be totally objective. And it's kind of hard to prove that when we have no idea how there rankings were made. It's way too open for abuse.
Especially seeing how the supposedly are taking into account "missing players". How? Are you doing it consistently? Does it take into account missing a guy like McGary? It seems like a very very subjective thing, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were a variety of "fudge factors" in their formula.
|1 week 14 hours ago||I guess...||
I just don't understand the need for recalibration now, considering it should have been done at least 3 years ago. But I agree about the need for recalibration itself. I'm just a little depressed having to read about it in a post where Michigan just won a freaking championship. I mean, if any Michigan fan feels like a championship is a "This is Michigan" birthright in today's college landscape, they deserve a whack to the head.
|1 week 2 days ago||This is why I generally don't watch BB||
Because you can literally plow headfirst into a guy's chest and get the ref to call a foul on teh other guy for being in the way.
|1 week 2 days ago||Seriously?||
That was the first shot in the paint in the half? On a desperation drive to the basket with the shot clock expiring? I mean, props to Spike for a great finish, but...WTF guys?
|1 week 2 days ago||Seriously?||
That was the first shot in the paint in the half? On a desperation drive to the basket with the shot clock expiring? I mean, props to Spike for a great finish, but...WTF guys?
|1 week 2 days ago||Really shoring up that free throw defense today||
Good to see.
|1 week 2 days ago||This is probably||
the most frustrating 12-1 run I've ever seen. Good thing Minnesota forgot how to offense.
This game feels so disjointed.
|1 week 2 days ago||Alright guys||
Stop shooting 3's for awhile please. They're not going down. Somebody drive the damn basket.
|1 week 6 days ago||Reactionary change can be good too||
If something is bad, and it doesn't work as well as you want it to...well, change it. The Nuss hire can be viewed very much as a "reactionary" change. Obviously time will tell if it was a good change or not, but right now it certainly seems so. Beilein did a lot of reactionary changes to his staff, and obviously that worked out. (In a more literal sense, Beilein had to make some reactionary changes to this year's team once McGary went out with injury. Obviously he was forced to. But that has somehow worked out better than anyone could have imagined so far)
By that same token, innovative change isn't always a good thing either. RR brought a lot of innovative change to Michigan, and for a multitude of reasons it just did not work out. It could have, probably should have, but it didn't.
I'm all for simple explanations for things...but in this case it's really just not that simple.
|1 week 6 days ago||Im getting tired of the damn negativity||
It's just so...I don't know. We criticize Hoke for "probably not firing anyone" on offense, and yet he not only does that but brings in a slam dunk hire in Nuss. Now we're criticizing him for changing things around on a rather 'meh' defense last year?
|1 week 6 days ago||I will gingerly point out||
That perhaps we can apply the same logic to Hoke. He did just hire a new assisstant, after all. This is more a response towards those who think moving Ryan to MIKE and shuffling assistants around is "desperation" rather than simply an educated decision based on current circumstances.
|2 weeks 19 hours ago||So based on this||
Let's do a joint probability of Michigan and MSU's final record.
Michigan has a 36% chance to win outright on their own, regardless of what MSU does (so 0.36 * 1.0). They have a 0.46*(1 - 0.16) = 38.6% chance to lose one game and still win the conference outright (based on MSU's 16% odds for winning out). I wont go further than one loss because things get murky after that,.
That translates to about 75% odds of winning the conference outright. And again, that doesn't even consider situations where Michigan loses two or more but still wins outright. So...wow, I like those odds.
Looking at the chances for at least splitting the title, the probability becomes
0.36 + 0.43 + 0.18 * (1 - 0.16) + 0.031 * (1 - 0.32 - 0.037) *(1 - 0.15) * (1 - 0.37)
= 0.36 + 0.43 + 0.15 + 0.01
Which...wow, holy crap. Assuming those odds are trustworthy and at all indicative of the true odds (good luck proving that one way or the other), MIchigan now has a roughly 95% chance of at least sharing the title. I had to double-check my math a few times. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. This, of course, also assumes that each team's record is an independent outcome (which is obviously not true since MSU still has to play OSU and Iowa). But still...it's an almost sure bet now.
EDIT: Or, ignore this post and go to the link that BISB posted just above this one, which does a more thorough analysis of the situations. Their numbers are very close to what I got though, so it was a nice sanity-check at least.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Nope||
We lost Burke, Hardaway in the offseason, followed by McGary to injury. It's called "dealing with it".
|2 weeks 1 day ago||k||
|2 weeks 1 day ago||No, this makes sense.||
I mean, the police arrest folks for lining too early on Black Friday all the time, right?
Oh they don't? Fancy that.
Did Brian not just write a column about how going to games is not as fun as it used to be? I mean, holy hell, the students are excited to be at the most important BB game of the year (so far), and you have police threatening arrest for "being there too early"? WTF is this shit?
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Ok great, she's not innocent either||
That doesn't excuse what he did, like, at all. What he did is still just as disgusting, even if he wasn't the initial aggressor. There are a thousand more appropriate responses to the situation than punching a girl, knocking her out, then plopping her limp body 2 feet from the elevator.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||So to recap||
-Would mostly not affect how offenses run, since it is very hard to get a play off within 10 seconds
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Crap||
|2 weeks 6 days ago||I don't get the doom and gloom||
I mean, I get what the stats show. But stats are not the end-all be-all.
Michigan has a brand spaking new proven championship-caliber OC and lots of OL talent and depth, despite their youth. Not to mention a senior dual-threat QB who could be in the Heisman talk if he stops throwing the ball to the other team so damn much. And lots of raw talent at the RB position, let's not forget.
And seeing that Arizona did such a dramatic improvement tells me that such a jump is possible. It would be silly to expect a huge dramatic shift of 100 spots, but whoever said Michigan needed huge dramatic improvement on OL to become a Big Ten contender? They need improvement, obviously, but the question should be "how much"?
I mean, maybe I'm an unrealistic optimist about this sort of stuff, but I look at all those stats and the only thing I can think is "that was last year". Last year =/= this year. While also thinking "Michigan is in a unique position compared to most of those data points".
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Welcome to the Eastern Conference||
I haven't checked standings in awhile, but Detroits current record would not have them in a playoff spot in the West. The East gas a few great teams at the top, followed by a bunch of streaky mediocre teams. Detroit doesn't look much like a playoff team, yet there they are in a playoff spot. Feels like they've been treading water all season long...all they need is one burst at the end of the season but injuries are really hurting, more so than last year (and that's saying a lot, given how bad injuries were last year)
|3 weeks 4 days ago||An example of the caveats thing||
He was SO QUICK to point out that surely Nuss wasn't stolen from Bama, that Saban wanted Kiffin and shoved Nuss out the door. He was harshly criticizing Michigan fans. Because surely nobody would abandon the almighty Saban. The Nyss hire was "luck". He not once had anything good to say about it. This was the morning after the hire too.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Colin loves to ding Michigan||
And he's a USC slappy. Their shit don't stink.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Le sigh...||
Butt was one if the reasons why moving Funchess to WR was such a great idea. Now that he's injured...Funch may likely be a primary TE again (correct me if I'm wrong). Which means I sure hope he learns how to block. This seems like a bad injury because it could also effect our WR depth chart.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Yes||
But right now they're on the verge of winning the big ten, with a favorable schedule the rest of the way., in a sport where success is fleeting due to the high turnover rate from players leaving for the NBA. Why are we talking about next year when right now is far more interesting and fun? I'm not saying you're not allowed to talk about next year,,,just that it's odd timing. Considering that "next year" is usually what fans of mediocre teams (cough Lions cough) talk about.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Thats different||
When you teach someone not to hurl insults because bad things will happen to you, it's true. You're inviting someone to retaliate.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Just one perception||
That very perception is also fueled by having a football program that has gone 8-5 and 7-6 the last two years.
Winning cures all.
The fact that you think the perception is true is because...it's your perception. Hoke isn't necessarily going out of his way to say that...it's hard to go out of your way when you're asked directly about it. Was he actually asked or did he invite his own opinion in an opening statement? We don't have a transcript of the press conference, so we don't know. Definitively saying that he's going out of his way to say he's the coach is based on feelings, not proof. Show me a transcript and I'm more inclined to agree with you. Otherwise, it just sounds like sour grapes from people who just don't like Brandon.
Another perception is that, being a former player himself, Brandon simply loves the gameday atmosphere and loves watching games on the sidelines. He directs what Hoke says in press conferences because Hoke doesn't particularly like them and they all know how big of a clusterf%^k the free press situation was when RR was here, so they have to be extremely careful of teh words they choose to say. They don't owe the press anything.
Either perception seems plausible to me, and yet it's the first one that most often gets said.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||In summary||
Don't be a douche
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Is there any question anymore?||
Defense wins championships. Five of the six times the #1 offense played the #1 defense, the defense won the game. Make it six of seven now.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Let me be clear though||
I'm not necessarily blaming RR either. I'm just saying that he's the one who should be receiving more criticism over the fact that Gibbons has been on the team since the incident. If it was that bad of a transgression, RR would have kicked him off in he first place. Acting like Hoke actively covered this up for 3 years is unfair to the man, who could essentially call it case closed when he got here.
And I was responding to the idea that Michigan is no longer the leaders and the best in running a mostly clean program. For one thing - Michigan hasn't been immune to player misconduct, they're not THAT unique and haven't been for awhile. For another thing - I still believe even today that if you compare our program to the average football powerhouse, Michigan runs one of the cleanest ships out there. This seems like an isolated and bizarre incident involving one to two players. I'm not sure how that somehow points to some sort of lack of institutional control.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||And it does.||
Gibbons was expelled. The football team -as it appears at least - did not interfere with any proceedings. Obviously what Lewan purportedly said is terrible. But...this idea that Michigan is somehow immune from players doing bad stuff? Come on.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Not so much protecting the player||
as it is not their right to tell everyone. The football team didn't expel Gibbons. It was done by an entity outside of the AD. So, it's not Hoke or Brandon's place to announce what happened...because they didn't make that decision. And that's without even mentioning how FERPA relates to this whole thing.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Quite the opposite, really.||
I don't think it tries to be sophisticated, I don't know where that idea comes from. If it did it wouldn't be funny. In fact, for a bunch of supposed "nerds" (that is, the sitcom portrayal of a "nerd", which is often times over-the-top stereotypical but I can look past that), they're pretty dumb a lot of the times. But I mean...that's pretty much true of every sitcom. The characters do dumb shit for 23 minutes. I laugh at them. The end.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||I'll keep sayign it||
You folks are splitting hairs. What was the purpose of the "family matters" comment? What does "family matter" mean anyway? It could mean anything. THATS THE POINT. It was a purposefully vague statement meant to not reveal any real information about Gibbons other than he's not with the team for...reasons.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Hoke was concocting stories now?||
Hoke said two words on it. Two words! "Family matter". That was it. That's not much of a story.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||That's not the issue||
The issue was did Hoke know that OSCR was re-reviewing the case in 2013 to expel Gibbons? Obviously Hoke knew about the incident, and I'm sure he talked to Gibbons several times about it. But the case probably looked to be closed to them when he was hired. Who knows if Hoke knew of the new OSCR rules and that Gibbons was being reviewed again. Looking at the timeline, it is plausible but not yet provable that he knew before the OSU game. But before that point....he likely had no idea that Gibbons was under any investigation at all.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||I personally think||
that in this specific situation it's splitting hairs to distinguish "family issues" from "no comment" or "violation of team rules". Point is, it's a nebulous statement that simply means we're not telling you why Gibbons was held out. That was its sole purpose.
Though saying "family issues" was the least truthful of the three, for sure. But it's not like Hoke was great with words anyway in pressers.
I do somewhat agree with your last paragraph. "The brand" has been held waaaay too closely to the vest since DB has been here. But I will say that probably the major reason for that is the local media's overzealous response to anything and everything that RR said when he was here. If THAT's the way local press is going to treat what a coach and players say, then maybe it's best to say next to nothing. Essentially the Bill Belichik method of protecting "the brand".
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Just a wild guess||
But I'm guessing that they only looked at cases of current students. If a student had graduated or otherwise moved on, then they probably didn't bother (it's hard to expel someone when they aren't actually attending the university anymore). Gibbons was still a student...and even though the incident was almost 4 years old, it occurred while he was a student at the university.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Well, that was BEFORE the expulsion||
It is entirely possible Gibbons was actually injured for the OSU game and beyond. Anyone who says otherwise is rampantly speculating. It is also entirely possible Hoke didn't know about the pending expulsion until it actually happened. You would think he would know about it in advance of the pending expulsion, but we really don't know, you know? It's not like OSCR is buddy-buddy with Hoke. It is entirely plausible that they expelled Gibbons without directly telling Hoke and the athletic department until the day he was expelled
All of that, to me, points to the "family issues" comment that he needs to better explain. I think it's a poorly-worded and disingenuous statement, not necessarily a full-on lie (considering Hoke may not have been able to make any comment on what was going on due to FERPA). Certainly there were better ways for him to handle it at the time. But all that being said, he needs to come out and explain what he knew when he knew, and why he explained it the way he did.
I'm willing to give Hoke the benefit of the doubt here. But he HAS to come out and explain some things or else his reputation is damaged...look at how rival fans are treating this. Look at this thread. Some people think he should be fired, apparently. I think that's a bit severe, but still, if this blog serves as some sort of cross section of Michigan fans, then it looks bad and he can't sit idly by without saying anything about it.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah||
I'm not quite understaing why folks are freaking the fuck out about Hoke calling it "family issue". Not his shining moment, for sure, but it's not like he's every been particularly...eloquent...in pressers anyway. I just don't get the OUTRAGE directed at him. Some think it's a fireable offense? I mean...really?
There is still a lot to learn here. I'm not about ready to villify Hoke or anyone else yet, but the whole thing is strange and confusing, and a huge cause for concern.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||It didn't decide the game by itself||
But hot damn, every time I think about that block I wonder what would have happened if the ref didn't shit the bed on that call.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||"Horns down" is just a thing at OU||
Schools treat rivals like this all the time. Witness Hoke not wearing red ever and calling OSU simply "Ohio" (and them getting ANGAR by it), and Woody calling us "that team up North", or them bizarrely creating a whole song just to tell everyone how much they don't give a damn about our state. These things are commonplace in rivalries. I don't think it's necessarily a disrespect thing.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||I don't doubt you||
But...what jobs has Nuss been offered as HC? My understanding was the UW he was a heavy favorite, but was it him saying "no" or was it UW just deciding on someone else?
|7 weeks 5 days ago||I think "discipline" goes beyond penalties||
I agree that talking heads are fucking stupid in general, but sometimes talking heads are actually right about stuff. Not often. But sometimes.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||Not to mention||
That Jameis' first choice was Texas...who never even wanted him (as QB, at least).
|8 weeks 16 hours ago||If||
If there was a stat called "throws that should have been intercepted", Devin vs. NW would have set the record, easily.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Good for them||
I don't think Kiffin is an automatic upgrade over Nuss. Yeah, he was great at USC under Caroll, but you can't ignore his less-than-stellar track record as HC either.
It will be interesting to see how their offense looks, and how Kiffin and Saban work together.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||I mostly agree||
But to be fair, when you have 5 turnovers, you're likely not going to win. Not saying that's Nuss's fault necessarily, but the offense shares blame.
But so does a defense that gives up 5 touchdowns off of those turnovers. Not every turnover was deep in the redzone. And one that was late in the 2nd quarter, ONE PLAY later OU scored (I am watching the replay right now on ESPNU). You'd think that vaunted Bama D could mitigate the potential damage of sudden change situations, not fold like they did.
EDIT: Also missed field goals. Because Bama's offense drove down with a minute left to get a chip shot field goal before halftime, which was promptly missed. TV announcers then mention as the 3rd quarter starts that Bama has only made one out of its last six attempts. That...not good.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||He likely won't be perfect. Nobody is.||
But by God, it will be nice to see an infusion of "common sense" into the offense. No offense to Borges, but Doug sounds like a very open and adaptable guy. The fact that he has no problems opening it up with pass, or going run heavy, or going slow or up-tempo...I mean, shoot, that's all we wanted out of Borges and he tried but failed.
I can't fathom why Bama fans blame Nuss for those losses after well over 400 yards gained in each...but hey, I'm not a Bama fan so whatever. Borges may have been our scapegoat, ut there were real justifiable reasons to actually can him. Doug just seems like a scapegoat, period. The best reason they have to get rid of him is "personality clash", which only favors MIchigan because Hoke and Saban could not be further apart in terms of in-game coaching style.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||That was the epitomy of Borges right there||
He had an honestly very smart gameplan that worked great until KSU finally adjusted. But neither of those two great drives ended in touchdowns. That option call I definitely had a WTF moment with Borges. Game over.
It all seems so Borges. HAve great promise, spots of brilliance, but all those wtf moments and coming up to short in the end.
My worst moment with him? The punt fumble recovery against Nebraska. Followed by run run Devin-scramble FG kick. Woohoo. Way to put the cleat to throat there, Al.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Ah,||
but not nearly as fun as TORCHCLOWNS, my friend.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||No it's not||
It's thanking a guy who tried his best for 3 years but wasn't good enough. He didn't leave the program in shambles, he didn't have any sort of "scandal" or anything to cause the NCAA to investigate the program. He had his bright spots, but in the end it just wasn't good enough overall.
Comparing that to a guy who knocked up your 16 year old daughter? Doesn't sound like you really respect him much, honestly.
Why is it so hard for people to separate the man from the results? He represented the university well. You thank him for that. Not that hard.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Well, sure||
Of course there's a competition.
But we're fooling ourselves if we think Morris has a real shot at beating Devin. Morris was surprisingly good in his one start, but come on folks, he's still nowhere near where Devin is at.
Now, if Devin somehow turns into Andrew Maxwell at the start of next season and is THAT awful, well obviously go to the young guy. But let's be honest here...that ain't happening. Devin is really good. He was really bad at times this year. But...he got shell-shocked into fear of throwing picks combined with a terrible pass protection. It was the perfect storm. He worked through it though, or else there's no way to explain how the Ohio game happend.
So, yeah, there's competition. But it's not a very close competition, honestly. I think it's easy to see why starting a very talented 5th year senior is more preferable to starting a very talented true sophomore.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||I agree||
That was the single most frustrating thing about the offense, a lack of up-tempo. The lack of audibles too (there were some, but not nearly enough).
I don't care that you huddle when you are in no rush to get down field. But there is no reason that any offense should be incapable of going no-huddle up-tempo when the game demands it.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||It is strange||
Even if you blame the 4 turnovers on Nussmeier, maybe supposedly one of the best defenses in the country shouldn't give up 4 touchdowns off those turnovers, no? Maybe one of the best defenses in the country doesn't give up 31 points in one half?
Also it's somewhat of an accomplishment that they got to 30 points even with all those turnovers.
But in Alabamaland, the defense is untouchable. IF they lose, surely it's the offense's fault, which means someone needs to go.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah, sorry||
Didn't mean for my language to be that strong and hyperbolic.
But Kiffin was definitely underwhelming at USC. He had quite a few bad losses over that time. He took a team that was preseason #1 to unranked one of those years. Granted they were probably overhyped to begin with...but still, that bad.
And my comparison wasn't meant as a Hoke vs. Kiffin sense. More of in a "New OC for Alabama" sense. They were already really really good with Nussmeier...it doesn't make sense why they would force him out for someone who has not been that great recently (granted, as a HC, not an OC)
But yeah, your point is totally valid. I'm hoping this hire is what gets Hoke over the hump.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Why is it a downgrade?||
His pocketbook isn't getting downgraded, that's for sure.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I don't get the hard-on for Kiffin||
He was a complete and utter failure as a head coach. He had gobs of talent at his disposal. Not much depth, sure, but his tenure was nothing but underwhelming. Oh sure, he was really good as the OC uder Carroll. But...Nuss has had two very good years at Bama too, no?
I don't know what makes them think Kiffin is an automatic upgrade though. Maybe Saban just wanted a change of pace.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I don't get it||
Everything screams like this is a slam dunk hire. But...I still don't get...why are Bama fans not that upset he's gone? Why is Saban basically forcing him out? I mean, the guy helped orchestrate a national championship run and was one miraculous play away from getting you to a second in a row...I just...man. I don't get it.
I'lll take it, of course. About time Michigan caught a "break" like that.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||A word of caution while everyone is jumping for joy||
Hoke still needs to find a replacement. And those who say that literally anyone is better than Borges...well, you're wrong, frankly. There are several candidates out there who on paper look like a very bad idea.
Let's not forget that the last time a MIchigan coach fired a coordinator, GERG was the replacement. We all know how that worked out.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Regarding KSU||
That "middle of the pack" Big 12 team went 6-1 to end the year (the one loss was to an OKlahoma team who had finally "clicked" offensively into the version that wound up beating Alabama), and even with their slow, methodical pace on offense they put up over 30 points in all 7 of those games. They were 11-2 the previous year and Big 12 champions, and returned many starters from that team (the one big loss was their QB, of course). My point is..they were likely better than the 7-5 record had indicated. Coupled with losing your starting QB for the game...it was a lose-lose situation for Michigan. It took me offguard at how poorly the defense played, but when the players themselves said that their hearts weren't 100% into the game, it's hard to take much away from it.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||That may all be true||
But when you give your defense a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter and the other team ties it, your defense is part of the reason why you lose. When you give them 50 seconds and a 7 point lead to win the game and they give up a touchdown in 23 seconds, your defense is part of the reason why you lost. When you give your kicker 3 attempts to win with a field goal and he misses all 3, your special teams are part of why you lose.
Acting like Borges' conservative playcalling were the only reason for losing that game is, frankly, asinine. It was part of it, a big chunk of it for sure, but nowhere near the only thing. That loss was a team effort.
|9 weeks 18 hours ago||One more thing||
There are many many reasons to hate on ESPN. You do a great job summarizing the main points. Let me add another: hockey. ESPN loves to hate hockey, to shun it as if it is inferior. This is the same network used to cover hockey and show the damn games! Now it's ok to just openly mock it and show about 30 seconds of highlights before talking about Bron Bron and offseason baseball news again. The SC anchors baically make a game of proving how muhc they don't care about hockey highlights when they mispronounce names of players not named Crosby that they probably looked at for the first time that day. I would say the 100,000+ that went to the Winter Classic prove that hockey perhaps is not a dead sport. It may not be as popular as basketball or football, but so long as they play on ice it's never going to be. But it's just comical to me how they are shoving soccer down our throats and then telling us that soccer is now more popular than hockey.
No, ESPN, just because you don't own exclusive rights to NHL coverage does not mean that people don't care about the NHL.
|10 weeks 15 hours ago||Just throwing this out there||
KSU is likely better than their 8-5 record indicates. I heard the TV guys saying this was their 7th game in a row with 30+ points. Well, no wonder they went 6-1 over that stretch. Pretty damn good for a team that is in no hurry to score on any given drive.
It doesn't change the shittiness of it all...but two teams played each other with identical records and polar opposite in-year trajectories. It's no wonder that the one with the clear upward trajectory won. My real disappointment comes in the effort level of the team. It's kinda sad when Shane Morris is arguably your best performer out there (no offense to Shane, of course...he was a pleasant surprise).
This defense needs to learn how to get off the field on 3rd down next year. The offense needs to learn how to run the ball up the gut.
|10 weeks 17 hours ago||I agree||
It's hard to read too much into a game when the players themselves were saying they weren't 100% committed to it.
Though it does look really bad on the coaches.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||I don't understand this||
I dont' understand how this could even be a remote possibility. He has an NFL job - THE top of his profession - and was basically one call away from a Super Bowl ring. He had an opportunity to coach at Michigan but instead chose the NFL gig. Why the hell, just a few short years later, would he jump ship from his NFL job that he's been pretty damn successful at so far to go to Texas? It makes even less sense than the whole Saban to Texas crap, which actually did seem like a realistic lateral move that Saban might make.
Honestly it's starting to feel like Texas thinks they're more important than they really are. Surely it's a top job in the country...but cumong, man. Be realistic.
Hey, maybe Texas will hire Pete Carroll! Yeah, that makes sense too!
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Joe Dumars is an idiot.||
That is all.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||There are exactly 0 SEC teams on that list.||
|11 weeks 5 days ago||It might have, for sure||
But we just don't know....there are too many variable to list as being potential factors. I cannot possibly put myself into the mind of a highly-touted junior hs football player from Florida.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||A 2015 recruit.||
This is why I don't follow recruiting. The kid has a ton of time to decide where he wants to play. Anyone saying he did this because MIchigan had a subpar year is purely speculating,
Here's my pure speculation: Maybe Michigan blew him away in their pitch so that George committed, but upon more thought and seeing how FSU became a powerhouse overnight maybe he just wants to explore all his options. And why not? He's got a ton of time to decide.
It sucks right now, but it is what it is. It's best not to freak out at stuff like this.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||That receiver||
doesn't get all those yards without the playcaller either...to think Gallon and Devin simply talented their way to 41 points against Ohio State is asinine.
I'm getting sick of comments like this.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||You said||
Michigan "needs WRs badly" and folks have responded telling you that, no, they have a lot of guys, to which you responded that the guys we have are young and unproven, to which folks said uh, wait a minute, George is far more unproven than anyone on the team right now.
I think I can see what you were saying, but you implied something different (that a 2015 WR recruit is somehow more important to Michigan than the freshmen/sophomores currently on the roster). I don't think Michigan is in a dire position of need at WR - though it's hard to tell right now and losing a high profile recruit always hurts.
|12 weeks 10 hours ago||Anyone else think this isn't the end of the world?||
I mean, yeah, I want Michigan to win their bowl very badly.This certainly dings their chances significantly. And yeah, the seniors should be sent out with a W.
But I also think it's not that big of a deal. They're not playing in a BCS bowl. It's the freaking Buffalo Wild Wings bowl, against a good-but-not-great team. Unless Michigan suffers a MSU-level shellacking, I doubt this is a bad thing. In fact, if Shane is the starter, this is an invaluable experience for him.
Also, given the ambiguous/misleading headline, I was just happy this wasn't related to his status for coming back next year.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||This is exactly true||
Mack has completely whiffed on QBs lately. Obviously not the only problem with Texas, but it was one of the more glaring ones.
I mean, the guy who became the second redshirt freshman to ever win a Heisman would have gone to Texas in a heartbeat if Texas had just freaking offered him. That's a glaring mistake. Obviously hindsight is 20/20...but wow.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah,||
But starting off your first ever post with talking about being "forced to discuss navel gazing Michigan topics" on a freaking MICHIGAN BLOG because oh noes, you can't make your own threads. You're just asking for it. If you aren't a troll, perhaps you shouldn't disrespect an entire forum in your first post. Just a thought.
I'm glad you spent time on that data. Maybe you should have spent more time being less of a dick in your first post.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Dave Brandon is our karma||
Michigan lost because they couldn't be bothered to have a live pep band at a freaking home game against the #1 team in the country, because money or something.
I know that's not really true at all, but that's the sort of "karma" Michigan got today.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||But the two do overlap sometimes||
There are many that share the majority opinion, which is fine. But there are inevitably some posters who like to "stick it" to the guy who is voicing an unpopular opinion, and they feel emboldened to do so because they know most people on the board agree with his opinion (even if he is being a complete dick about it).
My opinion is any sort of internet forum is prone to groupthink. Because we're a group of like-minded individuals...and humans inherently want to protect their group. So any dissenting opinion has a greater chance of being "flamed" for the sake of the majority opinion. Now, most people don't act this way on this blog, but there are some. And they were obnoxious this year.
I think MGoBlog has generally been one of the better forums out there in preventing the "groupthink" mentality, and this voting system was the biggest reason for that. Because there are many intelligent posters on this board who will downvote the guy who says "FIRE BORGES" the billionth time because, dude, we get it. Shut up.
And by the way, just because it's not a popular opinion doesn't mean it's uninformed or just plain dumb. That's kind of exactly what groupthink is...assuming that a small minority who disagree is always wrong and dumb because, hey, they don't share the majority opinion.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||WOOO!!!||
|12 weeks 5 days ago||I would like some points||
kthxbai, also go blue and such.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||I hate you all.||
DO IT I DARE YOU.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||You're entitled to your own opinions||
But not your own facts.
|13 weeks 18 hours ago||WE GET IT||
WE GET IT
|13 weeks 19 hours ago||How much does Devin Gardner bring in to Akron?||
This is the crux of the counterargument. I'm not saying students shouldn't be paid, it is certainly jarring to think about how much money coaches and higher ups are making compared to the small stipend of the students (yes full ride scholarship, I know I know...but that's nothing compared to multimillion dollar coaches)...but there are some very serious issues to take into account, and I have yet to hear a solution that will work for the Michigans, Alabamas, Texas's of the world as well as the Akrons, EMUs, and SDSUs of the world. And that's not even taking into account other sports.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||If Urban sat him out for the game...||
...then why the hell would he not be forthcoming about that in the first place? You cannot claim moral authority here, because we still know nothing. If Urban's whole intention was to sit him out, then why can't he even share that fact with the media? He's not exactly Brady Hoke or Lane Kiffin in presser's...
I also hate your "I told you so" mentality. Many folks were upset that Urban didn't suspend him. He didn't play...was he suspended, or was he just not good enough to be a starter this week? There's a big difference.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||This is exactly my thought||
I've noticed some people that, instead of responding to reasoned criticism, will just label them as a "concern troll" as if that just completely stops the argument right there.
I don't know how what M-Wolverine said got to the point where he should have been banned, and the only reason it bothers me is because there are waaaaay more worthless posters on this board who should've been banned before him. He actually had well-thought out arguments. Maybe he stepped over the line in that recruiting thread...but from what I saw, it didn't look like an insta-ban comment. And he wasn't the type of guy who would just start fights just because (like chitown was).
I feel like Brian is being overly defensive. It's his blog, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. But it is very unsettling to me. The comments have gone downhill, but Brian is targeting the wrong posters in my opinion.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||In my mind||
While the previous voting system promoted lots of groupthink, in my mind there has been just as much of it without the voting. Folks get braver to yell at the one guy going against the "group think" because they know they don't have a fear of getting negged, and so long as they don't go too far out of line they're not getting banned. It's kind of a catch-22. I think a blog like this is going to naturally have groupthink regardless of what you do.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||NOt even close||
The Louisville game. Because it was for the championship.
I'm not even much of a basketball fan either.
A better question would be...would you rather the BB win vs. Louisville, or a FB win over OSU in 2006, which was the "Game of the Century" #1 vs. #2. That would be a much closer poll.
|14 weeks 11 hours ago||There are no moral victories||
Only moral losses.
Duh. It's science.
|14 weeks 14 hours ago||Off the top of my head...||
...oh I don't know...
41 points against Ohio State?
It was no fluke. Please don't call it a fluke.
|14 weeks 14 hours ago||Commence MGoMeltdown||
|14 weeks 1 day ago||If they knew what was coming||
Then they got lucky. Because they clearly had no idea for the first 600 yards. Borges might have out thought himself on the call, but I call BS here.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||Not to mention||
Michigan will undoubtedly be better next year. At least on paper they should be.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||The||
The drop off won't be huge, you have a point. But I think senior Hyde with junior Miller are the best duo they'll have at RB/QB for a loooooong time. They'll still have miller but losing Hyde is a big deal (kinda sorta like losing Mike Hart)
|14 weeks 1 day ago||Beating an undefeated team is hard||
Yeah, it sucks to lose. Yeah, I haaaaate that we've beaten them once in the past decade.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||You are so confident in that||
I'm not going to convince you...but don't just sweep this aside.
What if this year is the aberration? What if Hoke's first year is the real indication of where this program could be with an experienced roster?
|14 weeks 3 days ago||I don't know, man||
Winning a BCS bowl wasn't really that awful.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||It's easy||
Michigan has one loss at home under Hoke.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Bo||
didn't live in an era with twitter.
But let's pretend like that's irrelevant. Right.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||For the life of me||
I don't understand why it's OK to reduce Hoke as a coach as simply being a "figurehead"? What an insult to the man and his job.
There's no way you, me, or any other fan can possibly make that evaluation. Hoke's day-to-day coaching is probably extremely hands on, and I bet you a dollar that every player on that team would take offense to someone characterizing (cariacaturing?) him as simply a "figurehead coach".
|14 weeks 5 days ago||I had no idea we lost to OSU already.||
Are you from the future?
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Yes, IFFFFF||
They did not, though.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||You must be selectively reading then||
"We're just not playing in sync, and that’s my responsibility. We’ve got to find a way in this football game and whatever games are left to get back in sync. There’s a good offense in there"
|14 weeks 5 days ago||The only man who should care is Dave Brandon||
And the only way he notices is if the seats don't sell out or the boosters stop giving their support.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||You're confusing two things||
I don't think we have any right to judge another person's decision to renew or not renew season tickets. That's a big committment to make. By all means, don't buy the tickets if you're not satisfied with where the program is and cannot justify the expense. You don't owe Michigan football anything at that point. It's a big expense, and if you'd rather take your money elsewhere, then fine. It doesn't necessarily mean you have given up on Michigan at all...you may still watch the games on TV, anyway. There is a bit of fairweather mindedness to it, but I'm not going to heavily chastise you for doing it, because it's not my money. College football is becoming exceedingly expensive to attend. Brian has a point here (though how it relates to Hoke's super bad f-word the other day is suspect at best)
Where my bigger issue comes is with those who have bought the tickets but then sell the ones for the most important game of the year to fans of your archrival. That makes you very VERY fairweather. If you don't want to go, then fine, don't go (you're still fairweather, but whatever) But I'd rather it be an empty seat than a tool in red. If you really must sell your ticket, then at least go through the effort to sell it to a fellow Michigan fan. If you really care about Michigan enough, you'll go through that effort.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Nebraska||
Literally one play from a win. Nebraska had a 4th and 2....probably committed a false start and the D didn't step up to make that stop. With a stop M could practically take a knee and win.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Snark||
That's just the MGoFaithful replicating their fearless leader. This has always be a very snarky blog. Lately, it's made it nearly impossible to "debate" with anyone when they think being snarky is a valid response.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Why is that a bad quote?||
Borges is saying that his offense can play with anyone, that they are capable of being great. You look at it as throwing players under the bus...I guarantee you Borges meant it as an offer of hope that his guys are more than capable of getting the job done.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||They care||
Tp think they don't give two shits about fans is wrong. Flat out wrong. They care. They see empty seats. If there's a lot of red, they'll see it. They will shake it off and try to play like it doesn't matter, and maybe it wouldn't, but it would be a hell of a lot easier if home advantage is actually, you know, an advantage. No, fans being in seats is not the difference between a win and a loss. But if you don't think it matters...then I don't know what to tell you.
I mean, we had a whole story about fans booing at the Nebraska game, clearly in disagreement with the stupid playcall of run up the middle for no gain. That really affected the players...they talked about how they had to band together and ignore the boos, that they were alone in it. And this was for boos that weren't even directed at them! Now imagine a stadium half full of red singing OHIO chants. You don't think that matters?
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah I kinda figured||
that's what you meant. We are in agreement anyway...your last paragraph is exactly my view. And why I think prices don't matter in this argument...if you bought a ticket already, then GO TO THE GAME. It's not just some game...it's THE game. You may not be satisfied with how much you spent for them, and that it looks like a likely loss given the team's underwhelming performance so far...but at this point why go back on it? Of all the games to give up, THIS is not one. Not if you really call yourself a Michigan fan.
If it upsets those that much then...fine don't buy the ticket in the future. By all means. That's fickle too, but not nearly as fickle as selling a ticket you already bought to an OSU fan.
My last point on this: imagine what Bo would say if he was asked this very same question. He maybe wouldn't use that super naughty mean f-word, but he sure as hell wouldn't have nice things to say about them either.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||There's only so much negativity I can take||
And the team hasn't gone 1-6. Yet.
See...to me, there may not be a lot of hope for Saturday, but as long as there's a game being played I still have hope that michigan will win. I had hope in the 2008 game against OSU. It's part of being a fan. The fickleness is just plain giving up on them just because they don't live up to your expectations. You can complain about Hoke said...but it's not like he was totally off-base with his comments (like how RR wasn't either). It's not like he publicly cursed out his fanbase after a win like a certain Bo Pelini did recently.
And for all the self-loathing around here lately, this team is still going to wind up being no worse than RR's best season here (in terms of wins and losses, at least).
So, there is plenty of reason to be upset with how things have looked this year. I'm fucking pissed off too. Even though I have been one of guys preaching patience with borges (as much as he has been terrible this year), I would happily embrace it if Hoke fired him. But there's only so much negativity and "FIRE XXXX" BS and nitpicking one word out of a presser I can take before it just gets to be way overboard. I mean, for fuck's sake, there are some (very few, but still, some) posters here who think a win would be the worst thing Michigan can do on Saturday! That's plain ridiculous.
I want Michigan to win so damn badly, just so people will shut up and stop bitching so damn much about things they can't control.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Haha, touche.||
I am being a tad bit fickle here. Nobody has to give a rat's ass whether I decide to leave the blog or not, obviously.
But I'm not selling my MGoBlog membership to an OSU troll. And I'm still here (for now).
|14 weeks 6 days ago||I don't get this thinking.||
If you start off low the only way you have to go is up (btw, his wins went up, but decidedly not his defense)
|14 weeks 6 days ago||I don't think so.||
Hoke is very straightforward. He was asked about the sea if red and responded by saying they (as in the M fans who sold their tickets to OSU fans) are being fickle. Brian is still going to the game. So I don't think it was a personal thing, but for some reason he took it personally.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Nothing to do with prices||
I wouldn't call you "fickle" if you pay a lot for tickets one year and decide that the increased prices and mediocre product don't justify purchasing the same tickets next year. That's simple cost-benefit analysis. It's a personal decision, and only you know your finances. I know plenty of M football fans that can't justify the expense anymore. That's most certainly Brandon's fault.
I would call you fickle for paying money for a full season of tickets, then bailing on THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME OF THe YEAR because they're not as good as you thought and oh noes they're probably going to lose.
Michigan needs their fans the most this weekend. And they're bailing. That's being extremely fickle. And Hoke has every right to be upset about it and say what he said.
And I have no idea how this isn't a touch hyprocritical of Brian. He was a guy who rightly said the media was being way too harsh on RR that one time when he said not nice things about some dumb fans. And now Hoke does essentially the same thing, and Brian is giving him the same critical treatment that the mainstream guys were giving RR in 2008.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||You're going to sit there and tell me||
that the loss to PSU, or Nebraska, or Iowa, is worse than the blowout humiliation against Sparty? Really? Really.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||I don't always agree with your views||
But here I could not agree with you more.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||One of the best offenses in UM history||
got us to 7 wins.
In contrast, one of the worst offenses Michigan has seen in a good long while has gotten us to...
But...FIRE EVERYBODY! DONT SAY NOT NICE THINGS EVER! RR GOT SKEWERED THAT ONE TIME BY THE MEDIA AND IT WAS NOT FAIR SO LETS SKEWER HOKE BECUASE NOBODY ELSE WILL!!!
I'm sorry, this blog is starting to rub me a very very wrong way lately.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||"Obviously"?||
Why "obviously"? See, #2 is more correct imo. People were all YAY HOKE when he led this team to a Sugar bowl. Brian praised Borges after the ND win, earlier in THIS very year. One subpar season of regression on offense later, they're ready to fire the guy and give him absolutely no credit for that BCS win. Seems pretty fickle to me. Writing a whole post on one word seems also pretty fickle. The only folks who take exception to that characterization are probably the ones being fickle. But that's just my read on the situation.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Why is it sad?||
Look, I know most around here don't like Borges and want him gone, but the reality is that's not happening because this is his first year with his full fledged offense here, and for better or worse Hoke is going to stick with him and let him try to develop it more. I mean, we all ding RR for letting Shafer go early...yet we all want Borges gone yesterday. Like it or not, the guy has been working with talent suited to a different system and managed his transition slower to accommodate it. When he says it's his first real year with his offense, he's not using it as an excuse just stating what is true.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||Exactly||
So many of those pining away for what could have been say "well if only we paid Casteel more!" which makes two gross assumptions: (1) That money was the only reason holding Casteel back from the move to Michigan (it was not), (2) that Casteel would have made RR more successful at Michigan (impossible to prove, though obviously there's good reason to believe this).
If not having Casteel was the only thing holding RR back from being successful, what does that say for RR as a head coach? The two aren't joined at the hip. What happens if Casteel gets successful enough at Zone to jump to a head coach position? How does RR fare?
And the rest of this thread....ugggghhhh. Yes, that win over Oregon was very big. But folks acting like RR's team are SO VASTLY superior forget that his record and Michigan's record are identical. RR lost to Washington State. WSU is not that good, and I have no idea why folks think they are that good. They're no better than the Penn State or Nebraska type teams that Michigan has faced and lost to. If you look at the teams Arizona has beaten this year...other than Oregon it's a bunch of nobodies. N Arizona, UNLV, UTSA, Utah, Colorado, Cal. Which win was their best? Utah? Wow, amazing victory there. And even oregon...Stanford exposed them, and Oregon has been much shakier recently than they ever were in previous years.
I'm not saying Arizona isn't better than Michigan right now, but folks here are acting like Zona is the greatest thing since sliced bread when the reality is both teams are 7-4 and closer than you think. Michigan beat ND and Minnesota handily this year...obviously nowhere near the accomplishment of beating Oregon but those wins count for something too, ya know (Minny is 8-3 and only lost to Wisconsin by 13 yesterday...not too shabby).
And we cannot ignore that Arizona is more experienced right now than Michigan. It matters. A lot. As Michigan fans, given the past 5 years, we should know better than most that it matters.
|15 weeks 3 days ago||Crazy prediction||
Michigan scores one of those things called "torchclowns" but IN REGULATION YOU GUYS! In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say they do it TWO times. Iowa scores a touchdown, on their last drive before halftime (because that ALWAYS happens). Michigan gets two field goals, and gives Iowa two interceptions that result in a field goal and a pick 6. The rest of the time the offenses are derping around for relatively short drives (and several 3 and outs) that result in punts.
Final score: 20-17 Michigan
EDIT: I forgot to add, Kirk Ferentz will definitely punt from the Michigan 40 yard line on 4th and 5 at some point.
|15 weeks 3 days ago||When was this mythical time?||
For the life of me, I can't remember a year when all of those teams (except maybe Indiana) was an automatic win. Even 2006, Iowa and Penn State were very close games. NW has always been one of those pesky teams, generally it's a win but it's never an easy win (last two years are shining examples of this).
I think Iowa always plays tough, so the game is going to be close. But I'm hoping Michigan rides the momentum of a tough and somewhat miraculous win last week. I'm hoping that the Nebraska game was more of a mental hangover from the MSU game than anything else (the dreaded "don't let them beat you twice" disease). Because right now, Michigan needs all the confidence it can get. If they want a real shot at beating Ohio, they have to truly believe that they will beat them.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||This is the one area where Borges scares me||
I'm generally fine with waiting to see how the Borges offense will develop here over the next couple of years. But I don't particularly like the idea of him being the Qb coach. But I don't really have a good reason why besides like, feelings.
How many OC's around the NCAA are also QB coaches? Is this a relatively common thing?
|15 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah I get that frustration||
Most OC's should succeed with a talented and experienced roster.
But by that same token, I get frustrated with those that think Borges should be doing a lotbetter with less, when such a thing out of an OC is more rare than people think and I'm not exactly sure how much better someone else could do with this roster. There aren't many Chip Kelly's in the world. Shoot, ND has an offensive head coach and they haven't exactly been lighting everyone up since he's been there.
|15 weeks 6 days ago||What plays do you run?||
When you can't block for a run and can't pass protect, what plays can Borges run to avoid thos situations?
It's not an impossible situation, but it is one of the most difficult things an OC can face, and there are few guys out there who can find greater and more consistent success with a simiar situation.
|15 weeks 6 days ago||So...pro-Funk, anti-Borges?||
With the zone stretch and tackle over gimmicks stuff, why do you think that it was a Borges decision and not a joint Funk/Borges decision? I know blame ultimately goes to the top, but I have a hard time seeing how you can blame Borges and then exonerate Funk for that same stuff. Maybe Funk was the one who suggested it? In my mind their failures this year have gone hand-in-hand, and it's often impossible to separate them.
Of course, it's all moot, since Borges is likely not going to be fired anyway.
But I do find it interesting how much you like Funk. Maybe it's enough to convince me that he deserves at least one more year as well to grow these abnormally young offensive linemen (not to mention all those redshirts waiting to play)
For similar reasons, I want to see how Borges grows as a schemer/playcaller next year when presumably he has more experience overall in his offense and won't have to scheme around a seemingly historically young and bad interior offensive line.
Although I see what you're saying about Borges as the ultimate in predictability in playcalling. But even there...how much of the blame goes to Borges? I mean, surely he has had to waaaay oversimplify the playbook, and gone to max protect to paper over the OL weaknesses (that also failed). Again, if you exonerate Funk for the youth of the OL, then I feel like Borges even with his mindbogglingly (at times) predictable playcalling should be given a similar pass. I guess I worry that getting rid of Borges will condemn the team to perpetual mediocrity, and I don't know any name out there that instantly jumps out to me as an upgrade.
|16 weeks 10 hours ago||There's plenty more people||
using post-hoc rationalization to think that Hoke made the worst decision in the world (not accusing you, but I've read enough comments here to that effect). What if Hoke had made it?
Anyway, it wasn't meant as post-hoc rationalization. (btw I was happy with the decision before and after the play was run). I guess my point of bringing up those stats were that, how can you adequately predict when your team is going to struggle versus "flip a swicth" and start executing in those situations? The sample size was already small...as others have pointed out, there were maybe only 4 other 3rd/4th down and short situations. And you cannot expect your team to go 0% on 3rd/4th down conversions all day...even bad offenses (like Michigan) convert 30% of the time on average. You just can't expect your offense to never convert one of those plays, even if they haven't converted one up until that point.
|16 weeks 16 hours ago||While I understand your point||
Here is a counterpoint: Up until and including that failed 4th down conversion, Michigan was a combined 0/15 on 3rd/4th down attempts, a 0% success rate. But from that point on, Michigan converted 5/6 combined 3rd and 4th down attempts, an 83% success rate. They ended the game 2/4 on 4th down, which is greater than 30%. Obviously there is a major sample size issue here. But even as bad as Michigan was, I don't think it's too much to expect a 50/50 odds of conversion there.
Here, some more stats: http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/700/p3
That is the list of the teams in the FBS who are worst at 4th down conversion rates. Note that there are a grand total of 11 teams out of 128 in the country who have a 4th down conversion percentage this season south of 30% (even fricking Illinois is greater than 30% this year).
Also note that Michigan is 54.5% on 4th downs this year, good for 45th on that list.
Even looking at 3rd down conversion rates, which has a ton more data, only 5 teams convert on average this year less than 30% of the time. Michigan is a middling 74th on that last, converting just 38.7% of the time.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||And they should have beaten PSU||
What happened to NW today basically happened to Michigan in the PSU game.
These things tend to even out in the end. They should have lost today, I am ecstatic that they didn't.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||I'd just like to point out||
that everyone was so quick to praise Bill O'Brien going for it on 4th down in 4OT while saying "Hoke was playing not to lose". Ignoring that had BOB not gotten teh 4th down, they lose. Even though they got it, it didn't guarantee anything. A FG would have tied it and dent it to 5OT.
And yet, Hoke does the gutsy thing playing to win, it doesn't work, and SO MANY of you are saying it was "reckless" and "the most terrible coaching decision they've ever seen", etc.
You can't have it both ways, folks. Sometimes gutsy calls don't work. Don't let hindsight cloud your judgment.
I, for one, think it's nice to have a coach willing to go for it in that situation. I would have been OK if he settled for the field goal too. I don't know what game theory says, but it wasn't as bad a decision as some of you are making it out to be.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Man,||
People sure love to wallow in self-pity around here.
If it's that bad, I implore you (and others who feel the same way) to STOP WATCHING. Please. Stop ruining this for the rest of us. Good Lord.
They won in triple OT on the road, with adverse weather conditions, against a team with pretty good talent that has underachieved this year immensely due to some late game collapses.
It wasn't pretty. No shit. But damnit, I still am happy they won.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Ugh||
Yup, he's clearly over his head by going for it on 4th and 2 from the 5, going for a TD instead of a tie.
Yup, clearly over his head when he coaches the team to a triple overtime victory.
Yup, clearly over his head when he had his team prepared to execute the quick field goal play to perfection as time expired.
Hoke just DOESNT GET IT you guys! Let's wallow in 5 more years of transitional mediocrity and FIRE HOKE NOW!!!! YEAH! I'm sure Nick Urban Sabanmeyer is ready to coach for us!!!
|16 weeks 2 days ago||As it is||
He got heat for being too conservative against Penn State.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It wasn't a reckless decision. It wasn't necessarily the right decision either. But damnit, it's still nice to see Hoke have the guts and confidence to make an aggressive call in that spot.
It's easy to criticize the decision after the fact, knowing it didn't work.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||They beat an 0-5 team.||
They did not beat an 0-6 team.
Unless you are OK with discrediting the fact that Michigan beat NW because NW lost to Michigan.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||They have major issues?||
No shit, sherlock! We already knew that. Not every game is going to be a thing of beauty.
Just enjoy the win. Geez.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||You know what's really sad?||
I look at 3.0 yards per rush and think "WOOO 3 YARDS PER RUSH ALRIGHT!"
|16 weeks 2 days ago||It may have factored into it||
But the OL was actually creating holes and push early in the game too. The first drive of the game featured quite a few successful runs...it wasn't like the run game appeared out of nowhere in OT.
It sure did help to have an RB who hit defenders hard and drove forward. Green consistently kept churning guys for an extra 2-3 yards...it was refreshing to see.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Eli Manning||
has had the same issue this year.
It happens to the best of them. Can't blame Devin, but hopefully this game helps give him more confidence in the pocket. Hopefully.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Nope, I don't think so||
They converted two in overtime, ended up 2-18.
I think you may be thinking of a couple of 4th down conversions...Michigan was 2-4 on 4th down.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Michigan||
won a game in which they did not get a 3rd down conversion in regulation...in 13 tries.
I almost feel bad for Northwestern. Almost.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Who?||
Because no sane person would think that. There have been a bad play or two from the D, still issues with letting the offense get to the edge on them...but still, they're one obvious uncalled holding away from a 3-3 game. That goalline stand was huge.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||I don't get it.||
How can Michigan start off so good on offense, only to suck immediately after?
I have not been very satisfied with our 3rd down and short playcalls.
And Devin needs to get his head out of his ass...he should have gotten about 2 or 3 INTs in that half, one pick six. I know his protection sucks, but he's telegraphing his passes and throwing it right into defenders.
The fact that it's a 3 point game is quite frankly remarkable. If Michigan gets its head out of its ass in the 2nd half offensively, they should win. They were moving the ball early...how about you go DO THAT again.
|16 weeks 4 days ago||I have no feeling for this game.||
Probably because all feeling for this football team went out the door last Saturday.
I thought before the season this was a likely loss. But I also thought Michigan should at worst have no more than 2 losses at this point. And I also thought they would at least still be in the race to a divisional crown.
And I also thought NW would not be winless in the Big Ten.
So who the hell knows. NW probably will play for pride and revenge, and Michigan has been exposed to be soft on defense at the end of the half and the game (in which they have been relied upon too much because of our lolffense), and even softer on offense because Borges is afraid to call plays that might actually work based on what the defense is giving them, and Devin is apparently afraid to pass the ball because he's getting pressure approximately 100% of the time, and Fitz is afraid to plow into the line because the concept of a "hole" is abstract.
Can Michigan score more than one touchdown? I think it depends on how stupid NW's defense is. They would be stupid not to replicate MSU's gameplan and Nebraska's copycat gameplan that also worked perfectly.
|16 weeks 5 days ago||Borges is trying||
Funchess is split out wide now, for the very reason you ask (to actually utilize his strengths even tho he SUUUUCKS as a blocking TE right now). As it is, Funchess is only in year 2 anyway (not experienced and older, as you say)
Gallon has bene utilized quite prominently this year. The only reason it isn't more is because he was the only threat down the field, and defenses keyed on him. He's opened up since Funchess was put out wide, but Devin-Gallon mindmeld only works if Gallon actually gets time to get open.
Devin has been used as best as he can. He is clearly banged up...we haven't seen him use his legs in a couple of games, and I suspect it's something injury-related. Maybe he would work better in a read-option offense, but his skillset works just fine in the Borges offense.
Chesson is extremely raw. He's not experience in any way shape or form.
Norfleet is the only one I may agree. I have no idea why isn't on the field more often. Maybe he doesn't run routes that well. Or the coaches don't trust him based on his practices. Maybe he's just not ready. But shit, man, the guy is fast as hell...surely there is SOME way to utilize him (besides super obvious jet sweep). Having said all that...he also does not really fit your "experienced" argument.
My point is, Borges is using these guys, quite prominently and as much as the blocking will allow. Thing is, the blocking as of the last two games hasn't allowed for much of anything. I agree that Borges is trying to run too much. But still. These guys are being used. What way do you suggest they be used that is different than what he's done? Keep in mind, you have an OL that literally cannot block HS-level concepts.
|16 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah||
an attempt to bring the other guy "down" to your level.
Which bothers me, because I'd rather he do the opposite. He can reiterate to folks why his opinions should have as much value as SC's. It also bothers me because SC has openly admitted as such anyway...hearing it come from Brian sounds like an attack.
I'm more bothered when Brian says SC has to make "concessions to not seem totally insane". He's basically calling SC a clever crazy person! That's a worse attack.
And another example "the guys in the comments think that because Kerridge could hypothetically have made a play none of this goes back to the folks in charge."
This is a complete fabrication and misrepresentation to SC's views and many who tend to agree with him. SC has spent paragraphs explaining how it goes back to a coaching failure, and reiterated it many many times. (Unless Brian wasn't explicitly talking about SC...but even so, who are these "guys in the comments" he speaks of? The few of us who agree with Sc also generally agree that the coaches still shoulder most of the blame in the failures so far)
|16 weeks 5 days ago||Do you know what trolling is?||
"Trolling is an Internet slang term used to describe any Internet user behavior that is meant to intentionally anger or frustrate someone else. It is often associated with online discussions where users are subjected to offensive or superfluous posts and messages in order to provoke a response."
SC is not trolling. He's merely providing his perspective as a coach, and how his perspective differs from Brian.
Whoever you think makes a more compelling argument, the fact is SC ain't trolling nobody. And it says a lot that you think he is. Unless you think every well-informed opposing opinion is trolling.
BTW, I tend to think what you are doing right here is more trolling than what SC did. Here's a list of things you have said that have nothing to do with the subject of SC' post (and thus qualify as trolling):
1. "I'm going to try and help you out, because it looks like you need it. I highly recommend reading what you wrote very carefully." - Really, dude? What the fuck? You may not agree with him, but is it so much to ask for you to respect his opinions? He's not Joe Nobody. He's built a reputation on this site for his knowledge as a coach, and his well-thought out opinions based on that knowledge. Maybe don't insult the guy's intelligence? It is quite OK to disagree with someone without being a complete dick about it.
2." First I should say that you enumerate quite a long list of disagreements here that you did not list in your actual post" - It's called READING COMPREHENSION. SC doesn't make a Sparksnotes list, thus he doesn't say it? What universe does that make ANY sense? It's not that hard to conclude those same things based on his words vs. Brian's post. Maybe SC is a little too verbose...but cripes, man, what the fuck does this have to do with anything?
3. "Right on cue comes the sock puppet" - PURE UNADULTERED TROLLING RIGHT THERE. I'm not going to even waste more time on that one.
4. "I want you to think about this for a few hours, it may help you." - See #1
5. "So essentially you are calling me a troll because I disagree with you." Pot, kettle, black, and so forth.
6. "Instead you play semantic games. It's a read. It's power blocking." - It's a read vs. it's not a read is not just "semantics". The power blocking thing is also not semantics, because it specifically is used to argue that Borges' offense isn't this grab-bag caricature that Brian thinks. Again, you don't have to agree. But fuck man, it ain't semantics.
7. "I understand you are trying to get clicks for your own blog." - Where does he link his blog, exactly? If Brian has a problem with this post, he would tell SC. It's his blog, he can do whatever he wants to. But I can guarantee you, Brian may not agree with SC but he will be OK with leaving this post up. I think they respect each other quite well.
In summary, go away.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||Which seems to me||
to indicate that despite what he actually says, he is aware of the issues.
I mean, how many wry smirks has he given at these pressers? Almost like he knows what the media wants to hear, but he refuses to give it to them.
It's really boring But it is what it is. Bill Bellichek is the worst press conference coach of all time...but obviously that has nothing to do with his success as a coach.
Every coach has their style. This is Hoke's.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||It's not that simple||
It's never that simple.
Sure, in most cases year 3 gives you a good indication.
There are notable exceptions, though. MArk Dantonio, who everyone should concede is a pretty fricking good coach even if he is a ginormous bag of douche, started off at MSU going 7-6, 9-4, 6-7. By year 3, do you have a good idea where that program is going? Well, based on that alone, you might expect 7-8 wins will be his norm.
Oh wait. His next 4 years: 11-2, 11-3, 7-6, 8-1 (likely 10+ wins again, chance at Big Ten title).
You cannot hold every coach to a 3-year standard. It doesn't work that way. You can't act like Michigan is loaded with talent everywhere when reality is they are not. Oh sure, they have some great talent at skill positions...but I hope it's abundantly clear this year that the base of your team starts and ends at the lines, and without a solid base I don't care how good your position players are.
An example from the NFL: Eli Manning. He is a shell of a QB this year, because his OL was a disaster in blocking early this year and he got routinely sacked. Even his last couple of games, when the OL has improved blocking, Eli is still skittish. We're talking about a borderline elite NFL QB who has two superbowl rings here!
Point is, if the foundation of your team (the trenches) is a major weakness, then it doesn't much matter how much talent your skill players have. And who is responsible for the roster holes there right now? Not Hoke. His guys are too young. Yes, even in year 3, there are real reasons to believe Hoke will be much better than this year, and there are real reasons to think that the program is going in the right direction still.
Again, I find it asinine that anyone could think Hoke deserves to be fired after this season, considering we fired RR for doing MUCH more poorly, and even then many still felt he never got a fair shot (which honestly, he didn't).
|16 weeks 6 days ago||Exactly||
You literally cannot coach a defense if you have no idea how offense works (conversely, you cannot coach an offense if you do not understand how defense works). That doesn't mean it's his expertise. But let's not act like Hoke is blind to the obvious problems on offense.
And for the love of God, while we're at it, can we stop assuming that Hoke is not going to fire anybody at the end of the season? We don't know. Nobody knows. The idea that he's going to keep his guys because they're his guys is asinine, because he HAS fired assisstants in the past, and there's nothing to suggest he can't or won't do that in the offseason.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||He has not had his chance.||
This year is arguably his first underwhleming year. And people are so quick to put a coach on the "FIRE HIM" level based on one underwhelming year. RR got 3 underwhelming years.
You may be right in the end. But honestly, how can you know? Hoke won a BCS bowl. He's restored recruiting back to where it was (and kept attrition low, which is key) You can argue his first year was all RR players...ignoring that the few seniors that year were actually Carr recruits...but I can say that that's more of a reason to give Hoke two more years, since he hasn't really had his guys yet.
He's not going anywhere, nor should he. Bare minimum, he has already earned next year as a coach. But make no mistake, he is facing his first real adversity as a coach. How he responds to this, either with the last 3 games this month or with the off season, will go a long way to deciding whether he's really the man for the job or not.
|17 weeks 16 hours ago||Less max protect||
There is a reason why max protect can work, in theory. MSU used it to great success against Michigan a couple of years ago, despite having an objectively terrible line. You handicap the number of WRs runnning routes, but it may at least buy you more time for your QB to make a throw.
However, max protect means nothing if the blitzes are still easily finding their way to the QB, because of blown assignments.
|17 weeks 16 hours ago||THEN STOP WATCHING||
BS like this drives me nuts. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to watch Michigan football. If it's THAT painful, then go find a new hobby.
Either that, or you're lying. And if you're lying, you're being melodramatic and hyperbolic. Not much better.
And I'm sorry to single just you out, because there are many responses on this board close to this "woe is me" mentality.
|17 weeks 17 hours ago||I like your attitude||
I am skeptical about you saying things like "Uconn and Akron's talent is better than michigans" because I don't think that's strictly-speaking true, and I don't think it's effective to just say "trust me" to the internetz.
However, I do think you have a good point here. People look at our roster and think we have talent oozing everywhere when the reality is the gap is not near as high as we think, not even by Michigan's previous standards under Carr (that we were bemoaning at the time because it still wasn't to the level of the OSU's and Alabama's of the world).
|17 weeks 17 hours ago||Yup||
people say things like "but in 2011 they were all RR's guys!" and completely ignore that no, they actually were not.
|17 weeks 17 hours ago||Literally||
every coach in the history of ever blames execution. It literally means nothing. He's not blaming the players anymore than himself and his fellow coaches when he says that.
|17 weeks 17 hours ago||And I said this before and I'll say it again||
Hoke could literally have gone winless this year and STILL have 4 more wins in 3 years than RR ever did.
My point is we cannot hold every coach to such a black-and-white 3-year standard of "wins trajectory", because it's not fair. It wasn't fair to RR either (but that was an exception...and there was plenty of blame to go around for it). And if the standard is as you say, it would be even more unfair to Hoke because of what he's done. He's been blown out TWICE in three years. He's won a BCS bowl. His team has certainly regressed this year, but if you're firing him then it looks even worse than the RR firing because as it is Hoke already has 10 more wins than RR did in the same time
You can talk about trajectory, but you can't ignore the reasons for that trajectory that are not coaching related. You can't ignore RR's "bare cupboard" in year 1 just like you can't ignore that 3 of Michigan's losses last year were to teams that had TWO combined losses among them the entire year (and one of those losses was the National Championship!), the fourth was because of playing Bellomy and the 5th was a hard-fought game against a very good SEC team.
Quite frankly, I think it's asinine that ANYONE would think Hoke should be fired based on the results of his first 3 seasons so far. Maybe his seat warms up next year based on this rather...underwhelming...season. But even if he loses the last 3 games...he's not getting fired, and he shouldn't get fired.
|17 weeks 18 hours ago||Why||
in God's name can they not do both? It's starting to seem like Hoke and Borges want to blindly follow a "we're going to run this, try and stop us" mindset. That's fine, if it works. With Stanford's offense, it can work. WIth our OL, it cannot.
It's asinine to think that Michigan shouldn't spread the field and force the opponent to adjust away from blitzing just because it's not their mantra. IT makes no sense. If it gets you yards, why not?
Shoot, OSU is the perfect example. Urban likes to sprea dthe field, do quick bubble screens, all that stuff. He also knows that sometimes you just need to line up and outpower the other team right up the middle. And he has had some success, particularly late in close games, using Hyde for that.
I hope Hoke isn't this stubborn.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||I can argue the opposite just as well||
as you argue trajectory. The only problem with your argument is
11 + 8 > 3 + 5 + 7
Hoke could literally have gone winless this year and still have four more wins than RR in the same amount of time.
Point is, three years is just not an adequate sample size for either coach. RR is probably better than that. But just the same, who the heck really knows how good or not Hoke will turn out in the next season or two.
The fact that he has coached an 11-win season has to count for something, though.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Good article||
"And I'm sorry, just waiting for young players to get older is not an acceptable answer."
I agree with this 100%.
We canned Rich Rod for having a historically bad defense, which was partially due to having the youngest secondary in the country. At some point, we recognized the problems went beyond youth.
I'm seeing the same parallel on offense. There is no improvement to be seen on the offensive line, though obviously we know youth is a big problem that permeates the line this year. And continuing to insist on running power when you know it isn't working is much like insisting to run the 3-3-5 defense when your DC clearly has no idea how to do it. It's stubbornness for no reason.
I'm not saying Borges should abandon running altogether. But whetever happened to the concept of "passing to open up the run"? Not every pass has to be 30 yards downfield.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||"Save the season"? Probably not.||
The season was lost when they lost to MSU. Yesterday was the nail in the coffin.
But the season isn't a complete failure yet. A win over OSU would be very significant for the Hoke regime. It may not save Borges, but it would do some real good for fans' hope in Hoke going forward. And at this point, it's the only way Hoke can salvage something meaningful out of this season.
And honestly, we're lying to ourselves if we think a win over an undefeated OSU wouldn't mean anything. Ruining their national championship hopes would be awesome.
I just don't see it happening. Unless Borges (and Hoke) somehow finds a way to stop coaching scared on offense. And figures out how to deal with a fricking blitz, especially ones that EVERYONE sees coming.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||I agree||
It was an egregious miss...the announcers caught it right away, before the play had even been completed. Usually announcers don't comment on officiating unless it's obvious. And teh fact that they not only pointed it out, but pointed it out while it was happening speaks volumes. IT was awful.
But I will say this...even if Nebraska gets flagged, then misses the 4th and 7 attempt...we still will not be very happy today about the offense. Maybe folks wouldn't be freaking out as much and saying "FIRE HOKE!"...but I do think that there would be quite a bit of grumbling today still.
|17 weeks 2 days ago||I'll just say this re: Hoke||
I think it's utterly ridiculous for people to be calling for firing Hoke now. He's recruiting well, and hasn't had a chance to really develop HIS guys. I mean, holy shit, we just went through a terrible transition. Do you really want that to happen again? RR may not have gotten a fair shot, but that ship had sailed for reasons beyond RR (see Bacon's Three and out). That's why he was fired after just 3 years.
Let's at least give Hoke a fair shot. Next two years are telling. This offseason will also be very important...need a new OL coach for sure, and probably a new OC too.
I have my reservations about Hoke being the right man for the job, but it's still too early to really know.
|17 weeks 2 days ago||A win against OSU||
is the only way Hoke can make up for today.
Borges needs to go further and blow out OSU offensively for me to regain some faith in him. Beause it's all gone now.
Frankly, I think 7-5 is the most realistic estimate of our final record, with 6-6 more likely than 8-5.
I don't know what to think anymore.
|17 weeks 2 days ago||I could probably||
be considered an "apologist" (though I hate the label). But even with bad execution taken into account - and there was plenty today - the play calling was an abject disaster,
I'm more than halfway on the "Fire Borges" bandwagon now.
Just horrible. Depressingly horrible.
|17 weeks 2 days ago||Wait...||
So I'm NOT supposed to blindly trust that everything the Internet tells me is true?
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Dude, no.||
You cannot look at Michigan's worst performances this year and conclude that is who they are. The Michigan team that fielded against PSU, Akron, and Uconn would definitely have lost to OU....
And ND. And Minnesota. And perhaps even Indiana.
That Michigan team would barely be 3-5 right now. If that's who they were in all games.
But instead, Michigan is 6-2.
So, no, I don't agree with you at all.
OU would definitely be favored to win, and I very much think OU would win...but you are underselling Michigan if you think they couldn't keep it a close game. OU is not nearly as good as you think...
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Well, you proved my point||
Because the blocked field goal - a 9 point swing, mind you - resulted in Oregon still being down by 13 points.
And by the way, when you are winning 26-0 with one quarter left in the game, yes you do have a large margin of error to winning. Stanford almost exhausted it, but it would have taken 2 successful onside kicks to do it. Admittedly, I thought they were going to because Oregon's kicker seems to have figured out a perfect way of getting the random jump on the ball. Such a funky way to kick it.
Let me add that until that blocked field goal, Stanford had driven down the field so regularly that they scored on 6 consecutive drives and killed like 30 minutes of clock. Had just one of those field goals been a touchdown instead, Oregon has even less of a shot than they did (which, I don't care how good you are, comeing back from down 26 points in one quarter is damn near impossible).In fact, one of their last field goals they only kicked because they got caught on the rarest of rare "offensive encroachment" penalties.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Wait what?||
They needed to collect that onside kick because they fell asleep in the 4th quarter. They had dominated so well to that point that they put it on cruise control. And honestly, had that FG not been blocked, Stanford wins by at least two touchdowns. Their margin of error was actually quite large to be able to practically mail it in for the 4th quarter and still win. Oregon needed a blocked kick td and an onside kick recovery to get 13 of the points that it got.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Did you watch OU's offense last night?||
Baylor wasn't exactly the #1 defense in the nation, and OU scored 11 whole points on offense. Not to mention OU laid an egg against Texas earlier this year. Their two marquee wins this year are ND and Texas Tech. TT is probably a better win than Minnesota, but not by as much as you would think (TT hadn't played anyone good until the OU game, and Minny is actually respectable this year).
And their QB is a first year starter too.
The gap between OU and Michigan may not be as wide as you think.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||Hey!||
Some Michigan fans might care about what Drew Sharp and Mike Valenti think about Michigan football
-said no one ever
|17 weeks 5 days ago||Define "better"||
Because I saw 3 teams that went from average defense in 2008 to historically awful in 2010. And I saw absolutely no progress against MSU or OSU. At least Hoke has beaten both of them once already.
When your first year is rock bottom instead of an overachieving high, it's really easy to look like you're "improving".
|17 weeks 5 days ago||They also beat||
Notre Dame and Minnesota, two teams who have proven to be respectable opponents and who both have 7-2 records. Shoot, ND beat MSU. Let's not forget that.
And oh yeah, they put up a bajillion points against IU. Yeah yeah yeah, their D sucks, but those points count for something, ya know.
But yeah, let's totally just focus on Akron, because every win this year has been to Akron.
Come on, guy.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Not sure if serious...||
Honestly cannot tell if this is real or sarcasm. It's hard to tell on the boards these days...
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Come on, dude.||
Every damn scheme it works this way. You teach your players and hope that when the game rolls around, you've repped it enough that they can perform even under extreme pressure. What part of that was him saying "I am awesome, my players suck"? Read into it what you will, but I'm telling you I flat out 150% disagree with you, because that is NOT what Borges meant. At all.
See? People give Hoke shit for not giving more candid responses and information...well, lookie here, Borges is being more open...and he's getting shit on too. It's lose-lose with these pressers.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||He may hate you||
but I thought it was a good question and, frankly, I liked his answer too.
|18 weeks 9 hours ago||Wait. What?||
How does one "strategically" lose his cool, without coming off as incredibly fake?
|18 weeks 9 hours ago||Rich Rod inhereted a smoking crater?||
Come the fuck on, man.
|18 weeks 12 hours ago||Yup||
The defense is not being talked about enough...too much focus on the offense here. The team lost as a whole on Saturday. Defense was part of it. I keep harping on this...but only because I see very few people talking about it. It was a 6-6 game with like, 3 minutes (?) left in the 1st half. I can't say Michigan wins if it's tied at the half, but I do think the complexion of the 2nd half would be different. I mean, the next time Michigan got the ball back, it was 16-6. That wasn't the defense "mailing it in" after offensive failures. It also had nothing to do with field position battle. Because to get those 10 points, MSU drove 121 yards. And you give Sparty a multiscore lead in the 2nd half, with a #1 ranked defense, already knowing how your offense has struggled to block anything? Well, game set match.
The offense was a major failure in the game, obviously. But let's not act like the D were heroes. They wilted too, and I don't just mean MSU's last two drives.
|18 weeks 19 hours ago||RR hadn't beaten||
MSU or OSU at all yet (Hoke has), didn't even make a bowl game to that point let alone win a BCS bowl (Hoke has), and was not undefeated at home (Hoke still is).
And I remember back then, there were plenty of levelheaded people around here who had similar "wait and see" approach to RR. But year 3 was THE do-or-die year because of the failures of his first 2 seasons. This is not a do-or-die year for Hoke, but if he finishes with 5 losses his seat will become very warm next year for sure. But like I thought in 2010, let's wait and see what happens. Hoke has already earned his next two years in my opinion.
|18 weeks 19 hours ago||I generally agree with you||
But let's not say that the coaches are blameless. When your players are struggling with execution and can't block anything, that's on coaching too. Youth and inexperience can explain some of it, but like the secondary of the awful 2010 defense, it does not explain all of it. There are some fundamental coaching issues with the offensive line. It doesn't take a football expert analyst to see that.
I think blaming playcalls is ridiculous, though. It's impossible to have a cohesive game playcalling when nothing works consistently because 1/2 to 3/4ths of your plays are being instantly blown up.
|18 weeks 20 hours ago||I'm pretty sure this is wrong||
FIrst of all, the only teams that Michigan has lost to who are obviously worse is Iowa and Penn State, though PSU's talent is still fairly high despite having no depth. Maybe you could lump Nebraska in that from last year, but it's hard to when you're talking about a game where we lost Denard and were forced to play Bellomy. And Nebraska has similar talent levels anyway, so you really can't put that on the list.
That's two games so far. Unless you think somehow MSU is a bad, talentless team? You cannot possibly. They have an NFL-caliber veteran defense over there. Their talent has been higher than normal under Dantonio too.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||Come on, man.||
I had no idea giving up a crippiling TD at the end of the first half was considered "keeping it close", as well as the FG drive at the start of the 2rd quarter.. The ONLY chance Michigan had to win was to have a lead or be down by no more than 3 or 4 throughout. They were in decent position to have a chance, until MSU has a 10-play, 75 yard TD drive at the end of the 1st half and a 10 play, 46 yard drive for a FG in the 2nd half, making it a 10 point game. Defense failed big time in those instances. To go from a tie game to down by 10 before the offense gets the ball again is just not good enough. Yeah, I kow the defense is young, but they shouldn't get a pass for that considering many here are raking the Oline over the coals too (and they're just as inexperience, if not moreso, than teh defense)
The fact that NO ONE is talking about defensive failures is driving me nuts. The team, as a whole, failed yesterday. Do not pin it on just the offense...they made some plays in the first half against a tough defense, despite a completely incompetent Oline.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||I disagree.||
|18 weeks 2 days ago||THANK YOU||
Fucking a...what do you people want Borges to do? He tried spread concepts, deep balls, short passes...nothing worked consistently. Because everything they ran was blown up within the first 3 seconds at least 3/4th of the time.
THIS ISN'T TO SAY BORGES DESERVES NO BLAME.
But seriously...that was some of the worst Oline blocking I have EVER seen in a football game. Funk will probably need to go, honestly. I know they're inexperienced players, and I know they played the best defense in the country...but holy crap was that awful.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Are you fucking serious?||
I hate to be so abrasive...but you watch them give up 29 to fricking. MSU and you think they're not at all to blame? Cumong man.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||All I have to say||
Is don't give up on this coaching staff. Honestly I was more upset initially with our D than the O...the only chance M had of winning was getting to an early lead or at least keeping it close. D had a chance to keep it a tie game at half...failed on the last half drive. And then got manhandled again in the second half.
We expected the O to struggle...maybe not to this degree. But still. They had no chance coming from behind.
I may have to take a break from this site for a week.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Also possibly better||
Not an indictment on the coaches or players necesarily...but MSU has some NFL-level talent on defense. HAving to play them in their most heated rivalry is definitely not a recipe for success. Especially when your program is still in a transition.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||I honestly have no idea||
How anyone could look at the plays he's called in the first half and thought "It's all Borges' fault".
The players aren't executing. I mean, that happens when you're playing teh best defense in teh country. But still...he hasn't run the ball much, but he can't exactly NOT run the ball forever and ever. He's called quite a few spread-type plays too, QB runs, even a pass that looked like a bubble screen.
Has gotten mild but inconsistent success...when your players can't block anything, it's difficult to call a play that will work consistently.
They need to find some semblence of a running game if they want to win.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||YEs||
Holding the ball is definitely a problem. But infinitely better than interceptions. He's going to have to start taking more chances though the later this game gets and if they are still trailing.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||4 verts||
4 verts. Duh.
|18 weeks 6 days ago||File this under||
"completely missing the point".
Show me the time that SC ever called it "brilliant" playcalling. I'll wait.
27 for 27! Penn State! Akron! Uconn! You guys, those are the only arguments we need! FIRE BORGESSSS!!!