“The player development is the main thing I like (about Michigan),” Williams said. “You can see that they develop their players. They get them in the gym and they work them hard. And their hard work pays off.”
|20 hours 52 min ago||Yup||
That is exactly how football works. Case closed, everyone!
|7 weeks 1 day ago||You know nothing, DrueDown||
You know nothing, DrueDown
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Meh||
All this does is confirm what we all knew was probably happening all along. And honestly? In a weird way, this helps Michigan,because we don't want the sorts of kids who are so easily swayed by that BS to come here anyway.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Yup||
It takes a lot to make my jaw drop (especially knowing what GoT does to its characters routinely)...but hot damn, that sure did it. Awesome scene.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Dude deserves an Emmy||
He is arguably the best actor on the whole show, and that's saying a lot because there is a lot of great acting on this show.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||I really dislike this continued argument||
Did the offense cause the defense to give up a bajillion points against Indiana and Ohio State? I mean there were times that what you're saying is true...but let's not act like the defense was perfect either if only for the offense. I recall a specific 80 yard drive given up in about 30 seconds against PSU. And while we like to blame the offense mostly for that loss (which I agree with)...the D played its part too.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Me too||
I don't get the constant fretting over the worst case scenario. Yeah it could happen, but Michigan could also win the Big Ten this year. Don't see much anyone obsessing over the latter though.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||I watched it last night using HBOGO||
About 30 minutes after the TV premier. Soooo...yeah.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Nah||
Daniel Tosh is really Lane Kiffin.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||Kinda makes me sick to read||
Comments defending Sterling.
|12 weeks 6 days ago||Ok||
How about the millions of dollars he's made in settlements over accusations of racial discrimination? That is far more serious than this...disappointing that it would take a tape like this to out him publicly in the media. But it's hard to have any sympathy whatsoever for a bigot. His rights were not violated in the least. Most states are one-party tape consent states.
|13 weeks 22 hours ago||I agree||
Especially since, in many cases, the kids choose a school based on the coaches. It's kind of ridiculous that a coaching staff can pack up and leave whenever they want, but the kids aren't allowed to follow them unless they sit out a year. Oh sure, it's unfair to the school that has a coach leave, but that's the way it has been anyway.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||The rule is dumb||
But even if some disagree with that...the punishment is unbearably ridiculous.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Meanwhile||
Mitch will play in the NBA and no one will give a flying fuck that he smoked pot once.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Oh please let this not be a joke||
I would love to see this happen.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Man||
I am conflicted. On the one hand, I applaud Mitch and Beilein for their classy responses. On the other hand, I would love to see someone go on a rant against the NCAA.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Fuck the NCAA||
Anyone need more evidence at how outdated they are? Fuck sake, one year ban for pot?
|13 weeks 5 days ago||I'd add||
I HAAAATE how much everyone discredits the OSU win. Fact is, that team did not play like a .500 team when they came into Ann Arbor. Their talent was way better than that. Michigan beat them at their best. Straight up. They deserve more credit than they've been given for that game.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Good lord.||
I can understand a level of negativity. But you are reaching very hard for some negativity here. You're actively trying to make things looks worse than they are. I'm not entirely sure you're not concern trolling. Because seriously...if it's THAT BAD, go root for someone else. Seriously.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||I disagree||
My optimisim is taking very little effort. New OC, the line has a whole year of playing experience and a simplified offense to master befroe the fall. The defense retains most of its starters and looks to be more reliable than last year's solid-but-not-great outfit that kept Michigan in some games. That took very little effort to rattle off.
And honestly, some of the pessimism here looks like it took a lot of energy to conjure up. I'm looking at TheNema, specifically.
I get the apathy. Michigan football has been swimmig in mediocrity for awhile, it's hard not to feel a little apathetic towrds it. But I don't get the outright constant stream of pessimism. That feels like it takes more effort. Because literally every piece of football news has to be spun in a way to indicate DOOM. Por ejemplo, Hoke threw his players under the bus!!! (or...he's making changes? Isn't that a good thing?)
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Then go root for Arizona||
Because if I had to choose between RR at MICHIGAN and Hoke at MICHIGAN, I would choose Hoke in a heartbeat.
RR was treated as an outsider here. It was horrible. But fact is, he didn't know how to deal with it. People suggest, with little evidence, that Hoke is in over his head. And to me it was more obvious that RR was in over his head. Not necessarily all his fault, but becuase he had to deal with a lot more shit than he probably should have. But, he still wasn't able to deal with it well. The one thing he could control - recruiting and retention - was a failure. You can blame practicegate, but then how has Hoke been able to avoid attrition despite a subpar season? Maybe he's not in over his head as is commmonly argued here?
Arizona is a better fit for RR. Clearly. But, Arizona is also not Michigan (I know...ORLY?). And let's not act like RR has been supremely successful there either. He has one win against Oregon. Besides that? Meh. Hoke has a BCS win at Michigan. No, they didn't beat an SEC or Big 12 or Pac 12 team to get it. But it's still an accomplishment worthy of praise.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||I think this is a negative view of it||
And certainly that's possible. However you look at the numbers, before and after, and you see that Nuss has overall done well. Past success isn't necessarily a predictor of future success (...cough Rich Rod cough...), but Nuss brings a record with him that is better than Borges. Shoot, better than Kiffin, the guy they just hired to replace Nuss at Bama.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Disagree||
Who Hoke employs isn't itself evidence that he's meddling with the OCs autonomy over the offense. That's a weak argument.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Nuss has a much better track record than Robinson||
And other than emotions and coach speak, I have yet to see any tangible evidence that Hoke makes his OCs run a specific offense.
|15 weeks 1 hour ago||THEY HIRED A NEW OC||
A new, simple system...a young coach who has lots of energy and a proven track record...
|15 weeks 1 hour ago||This is why||
I can't help but be optimistic. They don't need to be great...they just need to be competent, as in NOT historically awful. It's a pretty low bar, and yet I'm astounded at how many here think that things will be as bad or worse than they were last year.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||How is it an empty claim?||
We know Hoke turned those programs around. We know both schools were filled with 2 and 3 stars. Are we to expect that those teams magically got better without any significant player development from the coaches? I mean, I'm sure the discussion is nuanced when you look into those years of Hoke's coaching career and the players he coached...but it's not an empty claim to say that player development at his previous schools was pretty good.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||Drew Carey||
He's a fine game show host, but he would be turrible in the late night setting.
|15 weeks 6 days ago||THANK YOU||
This needed to be said. I am so fucking sick of everyone calling Hoke "stupid" and saying that he's "Brandon's puppet".
The irony here is so many people were ANGER when that one OSU assisstant insinuated that Hoke was a dumb child with a joke...but so many people here are doing the exact same thing every time they call him stupid.
Hoke may be in over his head. But man, so many of you have already practically given up on him, to the point where NOTHING he does this year will be enough to meet your unrealistic expectations. You know who else failed with unrealistic expectations? Rich Rod.
I'm not saying Hoke is the answer. I have no idea. I hope he is, because I like him and think he's a good fit for Michigan. But he clearly has some worrying trends from the last year...this year will be telling for a program trajectory. It has to reverse trend, for sure. It's quite the task for a team with an oline that looks worse on paper than even last year.
But for the love of God. Relax. It's just the SPRING GAME. I cant stand all the goddamn negativity around here sometimes.
|16 weeks 2 days ago||The difference||
In Trey's case, the 3 was not only necessary to tie the game but very difficult to pull off as Kansas has the option to fould Trey and not allow him a 3 point play. Plus time was way more of a factor, there was very little left.
In Kentucky's case, the last two threes were unnecessary. Against Michigan, it was tied and they had been driving the ball down our throats all night long. Settling for a well-contested 3 isn't exactly the best option in that case...but it worked, so good for them. Last night, a 3 was also unnecessary though more understandable as it gives you the lead, obviously, even if you only need 2 to tie. But in that situation, with plenty of time to get a shot off, the first Harrison brother derped around with the ball dangerously and got lucky to get it to Aaron, who even with some space...shot it from Trey distance, which is not exactly a very reliable shot. I mean, again, it worked, but it's frustrating to watch teams get away with back-to-back final possession shots that in a statistical world probably go in less than 30% of the time (and that's being generous) and were not even the necessary option (seriously...I still have no idea how he didn't go for a drive and score or pull up jumper against us). I mean...that shot was their second made 3 in the entire effing game.
Sometimes teams get real lucky in these tournaments. Kentucky has been good, no doubt, but also crazy damn lucky at the end.
And seriously, it would be nice to see them call an offensive foul once or twice. They've been hyper aggressive with their drives and probably get away with it at least a few times a game.
|16 weeks 3 days ago||Exactly||
You know who else hasn't scored? Howard. Get rid if the bum!
|16 weeks 5 days ago||Sheesh||
Am I the only one around here NOT sad?
|17 weeks 23 hours ago||Yup||
I specifically remember the announcer say Levert extended an elbow. And I remember my exact thought at the time was "what, by 2 inches? How is that any different than what Kentucky has been doing all night?"
|17 weeks 2 days ago||Funny||
They cut to Rece Davis on SC just now....and while all they could do was talk about "controversy" with Michigans win yesterday on a call that was clearer than tonight's....the only thing Rece said about the controversial call was "let's not focus on that and let's talk about how good Wisconsin was tonight". They proceeded to not even bring it up.
|17 weeks 2 days ago||Not to mention||
Two of Louisville's most important players, Harell and Hancock, sat for significant portions of the game because of foul trouble.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||They weren't "bold" at all.||
-Picking Tennessee over Michigan (2 of the 3 CBS analysts did just that before tipoff).
-Picking another media darling (Baylor) to beat Wisconsin.
-Picking a 10 seed (Stanford) to beat an 11 seed (dayton). WOW REALLY BOLD, MY FRIEND
-Picking a player on a 3 seed to be the difference in a win over a 7 seed. I'M FALLING OVER FROM THE SHOCK OF THE BOLDNESS HERE
-Picking a 4 seed to be in a close game with a 1 seed. NO WAY?!?! 4 SEEDS PLAY GOOD! OMG.
-Picking a 1 seed to beat a 4 seed. IM JUST SIMPLY OVERWHELMED WITH BOLDNESS NOW.
That's more than HALF of his "bold" predictions. The only approximately "bold" predictions he had were picking Louisville to win by double digits (which isn't all that bold, really), picking a game to go to overtime (OK, that's kinda bold, because even in close games it takes a bit of luck to be tied at the end), and picking Tennessee to get to the final four by beating Louisville.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||I find it comical||
Not only that he was perfectly wrong, but that his "bold predicitions" weren't particularly bold to begin with. I mean, really bold predictions are much more likely to be wrong than right, but I doubt picking Tennessee over Michigan was all that bold (especially since at least half of the so-called experts did just that.).
So not only wrong, but not bold at all.
I wish I could get paid to write that stuff.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||I don't get it, quite frankly||
I mean, Michigan has a history and the stereotype is they're arrogant...but there are plenty other schools who would fit that description as well. But it's Michigan that gets the reputation that when they win, there's something controversial about it (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE OTHER CONTROVERSIAL CALLS THAT ALLOWED TENNESSEE TO EVEN GET IN A POSITION TO WIN THE GAME, OF COURSE).
It was "controversial" in that it effectively decided the game. But you know what? Anyone arguing that it was a blocking foul is dead wrong. And that's the ONLY scenario out of the three which favor Tennessee.
I was pissed because I thought they called Levert on a reach in foul, when it was clearly a clean knockout. That's because Michigan was getting royally screwed in the foul department down the stretch, that I just assumed it was a fould on michigan. I yelled for a solid minute. Until I realized Michigan was inbounding the ball. Then I was happy.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Btw||
For all the talk of how brutal our region was, Michigan has a chance of winning it where 7 seed Texas was the lowest seed they had to beat. Obviously Kentucky is much better than their 8 seed right now...but we avoided Dook, Louisville, and Wichita State. Did anyone predict that happening? The magic of a high seed and a bit of luck. This is an excellent opportunity...hopefully M takes advantage.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||People BE HAPPY||
I get it. It was frustrating.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Uh, no.||
God will people stop bringing up Akron everytime M almost loses! Holy hell, Tennessee deserves juuuust a but more respect than that. It was close because they're a good team, and you just can't sleep on a good team.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Not evenclose refs.||
Don't fucking blow this call.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||I love||
How the announcers are openly rooting for TN now. Oy.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||That's the wrong fucking call||
|17 weeks 5 days ago||Well, here's the rub||
How can you be considered an employee and not be earning taxable income? Becuase the law as it is written now specifically exempts athletic scholarships from taxation. SO then...they're unpaid employees? Well, that's not true either.
There's lots of interesting details with this that will need to be ironed out. Assuming that the ruling is upheld through the various appeals processes and higher courts, of course. I wonder if it gets there...would the Supreme Court hear such a case?
|17 weeks 5 days ago||Oh please||
Get off your high horse.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||What's the purpose of this?||
I mean, to outlaw obsessive dancing celebrations or taunting is one thing. The goalpost dunk is basically the same thing as spiking the ball...unless they want to outlaw that too. Might want to outlaw chest bumps and high fives while they're at it.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||Not to mention||
That a close game can easily end up a 10 point margin because of flurry stuff at the end. Iowa played Tennessee into OT...then lost by 13. Does that really count as "winning easily"? Another example was a game this weekend (can't remember which) that ended up being at least an 8 point margin partially because of free throws at the end, including 3 of 4 from a late technical foul.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||Disagree.||
He was so confident that Duke would beat Mercer that he made a wager, unprovoked.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||I did this last year for the Elite Eight||
Got tix on Stubhub for $5.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||Disappointed||
WSU botched the end. Between letting 3 seconds run off before the timeout, and then going for an unnecessary HeroBall 3 to end it. I'd take my chances for OT and try for the tie. Especially with the time constraints...easier to hit a two under pressure than a long 3.
|18 weeks 1 day ago||Yup||
I know it's closer to Louisville, but it's not exactly a far drive from Ann Arbor either. And with our fan base, I'd be shocked if we didn't have just as much representation as Louisvilke or Kentucky.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Stop it with the crappy angle||
Me no likey.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Matches their school colors||
Matches their school colors
|18 weeks 2 days ago||LOL Texas Cheerleader||
|18 weeks 2 days ago||16 points||
And yet St. Louis is still in the game.
Yup, Louisville SURE LOOKS LIKE A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM ALRIGHT.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Jeebus St. Louis||
I mean, the refs aren't helping you, but make a damn shot.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Good Lord||
It's sickening how many calls have gone Louisville's way so far.
|18 weeks 3 days ago||This is exactly what I mean||
Mercer is experienced and proved today that they do not crumble under pressure, which says a lot when you are playing friggin DUKE.
|18 weeks 4 days ago||Serious question||
Ok, obviously there's still a game against Texas that is BY NO MEANS a lock as a win.
But...should Michigan win...who would you rather face? Mercer, Umass, or Tennessee? I have to say, after watching that game, Mercer doesn't look like a fluke. I'm not sure Michigan really wants to be facing them out of those 3 options.
|19 weeks 1 hour ago||It's clearly a personal and passionate issue of yours||
But I might suggest that all this attention being placed towards a cause that simply just does not exist is doing nothing other than taking away from other autism research into the potential causes. And as the posetr above says...the ability to diagnose autism has improved, and that is the simple reason why the rates have increased.
Again, none of this is to say we shouldn't be researching autism. We should. Obviously. But we need to get away from investigating causes that simply do not exist, because it actually hurts autism research that is desperately needed. It's a waste of time.
Vaccines work. That is the plain truth. The other plain truth is they do not cause autism, or at least no causal link has been found yet (and it's not like they haven't been looking). But please do not take this to mean that people don't care about autism. They do. At least, they should.
|19 weeks 3 hours ago||You're joking, right?||
They've been looking into this ever since Jenny McCarthy opened her mouth. No evidence. Nothing.
|19 weeks 3 hours ago||You know what's best for your child?||
|19 weeks 3 hours ago||Not to mention||
The original paper that was cited by anti vacs has been retracted.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Too many people worry about draws||
It's a crapshoot, and you have to beat a good team at some point. Plus, you can't predict the upsets that occur and throw your region out of whack. Michigan won't have to beat ALL if those top teams, only two at most, and that's worst case. It's best not to worry...let the chips fall where they may.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||On the premise||
that changing a loss to a win affects absolutely nothing about how the rest of the season plays out...then Arizona is it.
And the most underrated win is probably definitely @MSU. Not from an M-fan perspective (we sure as shit don't underrate that win), but from a non-M-fan national perspective. The first thing anyone will say about it is "But...injuries, man" as if that somehow invalidates the fact that Michigan won against their archrival (in basketball) at their arena while they were ranked #3 and had only 1 loss on the season against UNC. Especially considering that game was the catalyst for Michigan eventually winning the big ten and MSU derping down the stretch.
|19 weeks 5 days ago||If||
If there is one sport I think it's ok to rely more on offense than defense, it's basketball. While it's not rare for even an elite offense to sputter, it is rare for that offense to sputter for the whole game. You don't necessarily need elite defense to win in that case...you need a defense that is at least timely. One that may give up points, but at least keeps the game within reach and can generate stops when you need to claw back in the game (and the 1-3-1 is a wildcard that can help in that regard)
|20 weeks 1 day ago||Honest question||
Can they do that? Had it been done before? I don't care if it's shared or not (the award shouldn't be a competition, but about recognition. And clearly both guys deserve it).
|20 weeks 2 days ago||This year, hands down.||
Went 7-2 on the road, which is pretty remarkable in college basketball, especially with wins @Wisky, @MSU, @OSU. Won the conference outright for the first time since I was born (I looked it up...in 1986 they got the title on March 8th with a win against Indiana, 8 days before I was born). Did so with a game at hand too. And then decided to beat IU today for shits and giggles, finishing 15-3, which is actually one game better than that 1986 squad. Swept MSU. Beat literally every team in teh conference at least once.
If we're comparing regular seasons, it's not even close to close.
|20 weeks 5 days ago||Perhaps||
OMG BERSKETBERLL has something to do with the lack of much football news.
|20 weeks 5 days ago||FYI||
Legwand has 40 points on a team that is 27th in the league in goals scored. And that would be good enough for 2nd in scoring on the Wings' current roster.
|20 weeks 6 days ago||Not only kicking||
but also in terms of offensive-defensive strategy for plays near hash marks versus the center of the field. It's why in college you get weird game-within-the-game situations like fast-paced teams keeping the ball on the hash mark furthest away from the opponent, making it more difficult for the defense to make substitutions on the fly.
How many times have you seen an NFL team center a kick with a snap? It happens in college all the time, yet I can't remember a single instance in teh NFL.
Make the hash marks wider, then add a rule where extra points start from where the touchdown was scored (if it's beyond the hash amrk, the ball gets placed on the hash mark). I have to imagine extra point percentages would decrease from that. It's hard to make a short kick at a more extreme angle.
But yeah, I've never understood why hashes are so close together in the NFL. Never made sense.
|20 weeks 6 days ago||How many points are scored from center-QB exchanges?||
In other words, your analogy makes no sense.
|20 weeks 6 days ago||How many points are scored from center-QB exchanges?||
In other words, your analogy makes no sense.
|20 weeks 6 days ago||Agree||
I think Miles might deserve it if he gets NU to the tourney, though even then it shouldn't be a slam dunk.
|20 weeks 6 days ago||Go freaking blue!||
Screw you guys, this is OUR banner. No sharing allowed!
|21 weeks 1 hour ago||Yikes this is no joke||
I really disdain Urban, but I would never wish for such health problems on my worst enemy. Dudes getting a hole drilled in his skull...minor surgery or not, that sounds like no fun at all. Hope for a speedy recovery.
|21 weeks 19 hours ago||And this is exactly why I hope the Selection Committee||
doesn't take it into account.
Even if the ranking is sensible, there is far too much room for ESPN to tweak them to fit their personal agenda. And I mean, we could blindly trust that ESPN would not do that...but come on. The whole idea of rankings is to be totally objective. And it's kind of hard to prove that when we have no idea how there rankings were made. It's way too open for abuse.
Especially seeing how the supposedly are taking into account "missing players". How? Are you doing it consistently? Does it take into account missing a guy like McGary? It seems like a very very subjective thing, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were a variety of "fudge factors" in their formula.
|21 weeks 22 hours ago||I guess...||
I just don't understand the need for recalibration now, considering it should have been done at least 3 years ago. But I agree about the need for recalibration itself. I'm just a little depressed having to read about it in a post where Michigan just won a freaking championship. I mean, if any Michigan fan feels like a championship is a "This is Michigan" birthright in today's college landscape, they deserve a whack to the head.
|21 weeks 2 days ago||This is why I generally don't watch BB||
Because you can literally plow headfirst into a guy's chest and get the ref to call a foul on teh other guy for being in the way.
|21 weeks 2 days ago||Seriously?||
That was the first shot in the paint in the half? On a desperation drive to the basket with the shot clock expiring? I mean, props to Spike for a great finish, but...WTF guys?
|21 weeks 2 days ago||Seriously?||
That was the first shot in the paint in the half? On a desperation drive to the basket with the shot clock expiring? I mean, props to Spike for a great finish, but...WTF guys?
|21 weeks 2 days ago||Really shoring up that free throw defense today||
Good to see.
|21 weeks 2 days ago||This is probably||
the most frustrating 12-1 run I've ever seen. Good thing Minnesota forgot how to offense.
This game feels so disjointed.
|21 weeks 2 days ago||Alright guys||
Stop shooting 3's for awhile please. They're not going down. Somebody drive the damn basket.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Reactionary change can be good too||
If something is bad, and it doesn't work as well as you want it to...well, change it. The Nuss hire can be viewed very much as a "reactionary" change. Obviously time will tell if it was a good change or not, but right now it certainly seems so. Beilein did a lot of reactionary changes to his staff, and obviously that worked out. (In a more literal sense, Beilein had to make some reactionary changes to this year's team once McGary went out with injury. Obviously he was forced to. But that has somehow worked out better than anyone could have imagined so far)
By that same token, innovative change isn't always a good thing either. RR brought a lot of innovative change to Michigan, and for a multitude of reasons it just did not work out. It could have, probably should have, but it didn't.
I'm all for simple explanations for things...but in this case it's really just not that simple.
|22 weeks 27 min ago||Im getting tired of the damn negativity||
It's just so...I don't know. We criticize Hoke for "probably not firing anyone" on offense, and yet he not only does that but brings in a slam dunk hire in Nuss. Now we're criticizing him for changing things around on a rather 'meh' defense last year?
|22 weeks 2 hours ago||I will gingerly point out||
That perhaps we can apply the same logic to Hoke. He did just hire a new assisstant, after all. This is more a response towards those who think moving Ryan to MIKE and shuffling assistants around is "desperation" rather than simply an educated decision based on current circumstances.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||So based on this||
Let's do a joint probability of Michigan and MSU's final record.
Michigan has a 36% chance to win outright on their own, regardless of what MSU does (so 0.36 * 1.0). They have a 0.46*(1 - 0.16) = 38.6% chance to lose one game and still win the conference outright (based on MSU's 16% odds for winning out). I wont go further than one loss because things get murky after that,.
That translates to about 75% odds of winning the conference outright. And again, that doesn't even consider situations where Michigan loses two or more but still wins outright. So...wow, I like those odds.
Looking at the chances for at least splitting the title, the probability becomes
0.36 + 0.43 + 0.18 * (1 - 0.16) + 0.031 * (1 - 0.32 - 0.037) *(1 - 0.15) * (1 - 0.37)
= 0.36 + 0.43 + 0.15 + 0.01
Which...wow, holy crap. Assuming those odds are trustworthy and at all indicative of the true odds (good luck proving that one way or the other), MIchigan now has a roughly 95% chance of at least sharing the title. I had to double-check my math a few times. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. This, of course, also assumes that each team's record is an independent outcome (which is obviously not true since MSU still has to play OSU and Iowa). But still...it's an almost sure bet now.
EDIT: Or, ignore this post and go to the link that BISB posted just above this one, which does a more thorough analysis of the situations. Their numbers are very close to what I got though, so it was a nice sanity-check at least.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Nope||
We lost Burke, Hardaway in the offseason, followed by McGary to injury. It's called "dealing with it".
|22 weeks 1 day ago||k||
|22 weeks 2 days ago||No, this makes sense.||
I mean, the police arrest folks for lining too early on Black Friday all the time, right?
Oh they don't? Fancy that.
Did Brian not just write a column about how going to games is not as fun as it used to be? I mean, holy hell, the students are excited to be at the most important BB game of the year (so far), and you have police threatening arrest for "being there too early"? WTF is this shit?
|22 weeks 5 days ago||Ok great, she's not innocent either||
That doesn't excuse what he did, like, at all. What he did is still just as disgusting, even if he wasn't the initial aggressor. There are a thousand more appropriate responses to the situation than punching a girl, knocking her out, then plopping her limp body 2 feet from the elevator.
|22 weeks 5 days ago||So to recap||
-Would mostly not affect how offenses run, since it is very hard to get a play off within 10 seconds
|22 weeks 6 days ago||Crap||
|22 weeks 6 days ago||I don't get the doom and gloom||
I mean, I get what the stats show. But stats are not the end-all be-all.
Michigan has a brand spaking new proven championship-caliber OC and lots of OL talent and depth, despite their youth. Not to mention a senior dual-threat QB who could be in the Heisman talk if he stops throwing the ball to the other team so damn much. And lots of raw talent at the RB position, let's not forget.
And seeing that Arizona did such a dramatic improvement tells me that such a jump is possible. It would be silly to expect a huge dramatic shift of 100 spots, but whoever said Michigan needed huge dramatic improvement on OL to become a Big Ten contender? They need improvement, obviously, but the question should be "how much"?
I mean, maybe I'm an unrealistic optimist about this sort of stuff, but I look at all those stats and the only thing I can think is "that was last year". Last year =/= this year. While also thinking "Michigan is in a unique position compared to most of those data points".
|23 weeks 4 days ago||Welcome to the Eastern Conference||
I haven't checked standings in awhile, but Detroits current record would not have them in a playoff spot in the West. The East gas a few great teams at the top, followed by a bunch of streaky mediocre teams. Detroit doesn't look much like a playoff team, yet there they are in a playoff spot. Feels like they've been treading water all season long...all they need is one burst at the end of the season but injuries are really hurting, more so than last year (and that's saying a lot, given how bad injuries were last year)
|23 weeks 5 days ago||An example of the caveats thing||
He was SO QUICK to point out that surely Nuss wasn't stolen from Bama, that Saban wanted Kiffin and shoved Nuss out the door. He was harshly criticizing Michigan fans. Because surely nobody would abandon the almighty Saban. The Nyss hire was "luck". He not once had anything good to say about it. This was the morning after the hire too.
|23 weeks 5 days ago||Colin loves to ding Michigan||
And he's a USC slappy. Their shit don't stink.
|23 weeks 5 days ago||Le sigh...||
Butt was one if the reasons why moving Funchess to WR was such a great idea. Now that he's injured...Funch may likely be a primary TE again (correct me if I'm wrong). Which means I sure hope he learns how to block. This seems like a bad injury because it could also effect our WR depth chart.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||Yes||
But right now they're on the verge of winning the big ten, with a favorable schedule the rest of the way., in a sport where success is fleeting due to the high turnover rate from players leaving for the NBA. Why are we talking about next year when right now is far more interesting and fun? I'm not saying you're not allowed to talk about next year,,,just that it's odd timing. Considering that "next year" is usually what fans of mediocre teams (cough Lions cough) talk about.
|23 weeks 6 days ago||Thats different||
When you teach someone not to hurl insults because bad things will happen to you, it's true. You're inviting someone to retaliate.
|24 weeks 3 days ago||Just one perception||
That very perception is also fueled by having a football program that has gone 8-5 and 7-6 the last two years.
Winning cures all.
The fact that you think the perception is true is because...it's your perception. Hoke isn't necessarily going out of his way to say that...it's hard to go out of your way when you're asked directly about it. Was he actually asked or did he invite his own opinion in an opening statement? We don't have a transcript of the press conference, so we don't know. Definitively saying that he's going out of his way to say he's the coach is based on feelings, not proof. Show me a transcript and I'm more inclined to agree with you. Otherwise, it just sounds like sour grapes from people who just don't like Brandon.
Another perception is that, being a former player himself, Brandon simply loves the gameday atmosphere and loves watching games on the sidelines. He directs what Hoke says in press conferences because Hoke doesn't particularly like them and they all know how big of a clusterf%^k the free press situation was when RR was here, so they have to be extremely careful of teh words they choose to say. They don't owe the press anything.
Either perception seems plausible to me, and yet it's the first one that most often gets said.
|25 weeks 2 hours ago||In summary||
Don't be a douche
|25 weeks 1 day ago||Is there any question anymore?||
Defense wins championships. Five of the six times the #1 offense played the #1 defense, the defense won the game. Make it six of seven now.
|25 weeks 4 days ago||Let me be clear though||
I'm not necessarily blaming RR either. I'm just saying that he's the one who should be receiving more criticism over the fact that Gibbons has been on the team since the incident. If it was that bad of a transgression, RR would have kicked him off in he first place. Acting like Hoke actively covered this up for 3 years is unfair to the man, who could essentially call it case closed when he got here.
And I was responding to the idea that Michigan is no longer the leaders and the best in running a mostly clean program. For one thing - Michigan hasn't been immune to player misconduct, they're not THAT unique and haven't been for awhile. For another thing - I still believe even today that if you compare our program to the average football powerhouse, Michigan runs one of the cleanest ships out there. This seems like an isolated and bizarre incident involving one to two players. I'm not sure how that somehow points to some sort of lack of institutional control.
|25 weeks 4 days ago||And it does.||
Gibbons was expelled. The football team -as it appears at least - did not interfere with any proceedings. Obviously what Lewan purportedly said is terrible. But...this idea that Michigan is somehow immune from players doing bad stuff? Come on.
|25 weeks 4 days ago||Not so much protecting the player||
as it is not their right to tell everyone. The football team didn't expel Gibbons. It was done by an entity outside of the AD. So, it's not Hoke or Brandon's place to announce what happened...because they didn't make that decision. And that's without even mentioning how FERPA relates to this whole thing.
|25 weeks 4 days ago||Quite the opposite, really.||
I don't think it tries to be sophisticated, I don't know where that idea comes from. If it did it wouldn't be funny. In fact, for a bunch of supposed "nerds" (that is, the sitcom portrayal of a "nerd", which is often times over-the-top stereotypical but I can look past that), they're pretty dumb a lot of the times. But I mean...that's pretty much true of every sitcom. The characters do dumb shit for 23 minutes. I laugh at them. The end.
|25 weeks 4 days ago||I'll keep sayign it||
You folks are splitting hairs. What was the purpose of the "family matters" comment? What does "family matter" mean anyway? It could mean anything. THATS THE POINT. It was a purposefully vague statement meant to not reveal any real information about Gibbons other than he's not with the team for...reasons.
|25 weeks 5 days ago||Hoke was concocting stories now?||
Hoke said two words on it. Two words! "Family matter". That was it. That's not much of a story.
|25 weeks 6 days ago||That's not the issue||
The issue was did Hoke know that OSCR was re-reviewing the case in 2013 to expel Gibbons? Obviously Hoke knew about the incident, and I'm sure he talked to Gibbons several times about it. But the case probably looked to be closed to them when he was hired. Who knows if Hoke knew of the new OSCR rules and that Gibbons was being reviewed again. Looking at the timeline, it is plausible but not yet provable that he knew before the OSU game. But before that point....he likely had no idea that Gibbons was under any investigation at all.
|25 weeks 6 days ago||I personally think||
that in this specific situation it's splitting hairs to distinguish "family issues" from "no comment" or "violation of team rules". Point is, it's a nebulous statement that simply means we're not telling you why Gibbons was held out. That was its sole purpose.
Though saying "family issues" was the least truthful of the three, for sure. But it's not like Hoke was great with words anyway in pressers.
I do somewhat agree with your last paragraph. "The brand" has been held waaaay too closely to the vest since DB has been here. But I will say that probably the major reason for that is the local media's overzealous response to anything and everything that RR said when he was here. If THAT's the way local press is going to treat what a coach and players say, then maybe it's best to say next to nothing. Essentially the Bill Belichik method of protecting "the brand".
|25 weeks 6 days ago||Just a wild guess||
But I'm guessing that they only looked at cases of current students. If a student had graduated or otherwise moved on, then they probably didn't bother (it's hard to expel someone when they aren't actually attending the university anymore). Gibbons was still a student...and even though the incident was almost 4 years old, it occurred while he was a student at the university.
|25 weeks 6 days ago||Well, that was BEFORE the expulsion||
It is entirely possible Gibbons was actually injured for the OSU game and beyond. Anyone who says otherwise is rampantly speculating. It is also entirely possible Hoke didn't know about the pending expulsion until it actually happened. You would think he would know about it in advance of the pending expulsion, but we really don't know, you know? It's not like OSCR is buddy-buddy with Hoke. It is entirely plausible that they expelled Gibbons without directly telling Hoke and the athletic department until the day he was expelled
All of that, to me, points to the "family issues" comment that he needs to better explain. I think it's a poorly-worded and disingenuous statement, not necessarily a full-on lie (considering Hoke may not have been able to make any comment on what was going on due to FERPA). Certainly there were better ways for him to handle it at the time. But all that being said, he needs to come out and explain what he knew when he knew, and why he explained it the way he did.
I'm willing to give Hoke the benefit of the doubt here. But he HAS to come out and explain some things or else his reputation is damaged...look at how rival fans are treating this. Look at this thread. Some people think he should be fired, apparently. I think that's a bit severe, but still, if this blog serves as some sort of cross section of Michigan fans, then it looks bad and he can't sit idly by without saying anything about it.
|25 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah||
I'm not quite understaing why folks are freaking the fuck out about Hoke calling it "family issue". Not his shining moment, for sure, but it's not like he's every been particularly...eloquent...in pressers anyway. I just don't get the OUTRAGE directed at him. Some think it's a fireable offense? I mean...really?
There is still a lot to learn here. I'm not about ready to villify Hoke or anyone else yet, but the whole thing is strange and confusing, and a huge cause for concern.
|26 weeks 2 days ago||It didn't decide the game by itself||
But hot damn, every time I think about that block I wonder what would have happened if the ref didn't shit the bed on that call.
|27 weeks 4 days ago||"Horns down" is just a thing at OU||
Schools treat rivals like this all the time. Witness Hoke not wearing red ever and calling OSU simply "Ohio" (and them getting ANGAR by it), and Woody calling us "that team up North", or them bizarrely creating a whole song just to tell everyone how much they don't give a damn about our state. These things are commonplace in rivalries. I don't think it's necessarily a disrespect thing.
|27 weeks 5 days ago||I don't doubt you||
But...what jobs has Nuss been offered as HC? My understanding was the UW he was a heavy favorite, but was it him saying "no" or was it UW just deciding on someone else?
|27 weeks 5 days ago||I think "discipline" goes beyond penalties||
I agree that talking heads are fucking stupid in general, but sometimes talking heads are actually right about stuff. Not often. But sometimes.
|27 weeks 6 days ago||Not to mention||
That Jameis' first choice was Texas...who never even wanted him (as QB, at least).
|28 weeks 1 day ago||If||
If there was a stat called "throws that should have been intercepted", Devin vs. NW would have set the record, easily.
|28 weeks 3 days ago||Good for them||
I don't think Kiffin is an automatic upgrade over Nuss. Yeah, he was great at USC under Caroll, but you can't ignore his less-than-stellar track record as HC either.
It will be interesting to see how their offense looks, and how Kiffin and Saban work together.
|28 weeks 3 days ago||I mostly agree||
But to be fair, when you have 5 turnovers, you're likely not going to win. Not saying that's Nuss's fault necessarily, but the offense shares blame.
But so does a defense that gives up 5 touchdowns off of those turnovers. Not every turnover was deep in the redzone. And one that was late in the 2nd quarter, ONE PLAY later OU scored (I am watching the replay right now on ESPNU). You'd think that vaunted Bama D could mitigate the potential damage of sudden change situations, not fold like they did.
EDIT: Also missed field goals. Because Bama's offense drove down with a minute left to get a chip shot field goal before halftime, which was promptly missed. TV announcers then mention as the 3rd quarter starts that Bama has only made one out of its last six attempts. That...not good.
|28 weeks 3 days ago||He likely won't be perfect. Nobody is.||
But by God, it will be nice to see an infusion of "common sense" into the offense. No offense to Borges, but Doug sounds like a very open and adaptable guy. The fact that he has no problems opening it up with pass, or going run heavy, or going slow or up-tempo...I mean, shoot, that's all we wanted out of Borges and he tried but failed.
I can't fathom why Bama fans blame Nuss for those losses after well over 400 yards gained in each...but hey, I'm not a Bama fan so whatever. Borges may have been our scapegoat, ut there were real justifiable reasons to actually can him. Doug just seems like a scapegoat, period. The best reason they have to get rid of him is "personality clash", which only favors MIchigan because Hoke and Saban could not be further apart in terms of in-game coaching style.
|28 weeks 4 days ago||That was the epitomy of Borges right there||
He had an honestly very smart gameplan that worked great until KSU finally adjusted. But neither of those two great drives ended in touchdowns. That option call I definitely had a WTF moment with Borges. Game over.
It all seems so Borges. HAve great promise, spots of brilliance, but all those wtf moments and coming up to short in the end.
My worst moment with him? The punt fumble recovery against Nebraska. Followed by run run Devin-scramble FG kick. Woohoo. Way to put the cleat to throat there, Al.
|28 weeks 4 days ago||Ah,||
but not nearly as fun as TORCHCLOWNS, my friend.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||No it's not||
It's thanking a guy who tried his best for 3 years but wasn't good enough. He didn't leave the program in shambles, he didn't have any sort of "scandal" or anything to cause the NCAA to investigate the program. He had his bright spots, but in the end it just wasn't good enough overall.
Comparing that to a guy who knocked up your 16 year old daughter? Doesn't sound like you really respect him much, honestly.
Why is it so hard for people to separate the man from the results? He represented the university well. You thank him for that. Not that hard.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||Well, sure||
Of course there's a competition.
But we're fooling ourselves if we think Morris has a real shot at beating Devin. Morris was surprisingly good in his one start, but come on folks, he's still nowhere near where Devin is at.
Now, if Devin somehow turns into Andrew Maxwell at the start of next season and is THAT awful, well obviously go to the young guy. But let's be honest here...that ain't happening. Devin is really good. He was really bad at times this year. But...he got shell-shocked into fear of throwing picks combined with a terrible pass protection. It was the perfect storm. He worked through it though, or else there's no way to explain how the Ohio game happend.
So, yeah, there's competition. But it's not a very close competition, honestly. I think it's easy to see why starting a very talented 5th year senior is more preferable to starting a very talented true sophomore.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||I agree||
That was the single most frustrating thing about the offense, a lack of up-tempo. The lack of audibles too (there were some, but not nearly enough).
I don't care that you huddle when you are in no rush to get down field. But there is no reason that any offense should be incapable of going no-huddle up-tempo when the game demands it.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||It is strange||
Even if you blame the 4 turnovers on Nussmeier, maybe supposedly one of the best defenses in the country shouldn't give up 4 touchdowns off those turnovers, no? Maybe one of the best defenses in the country doesn't give up 31 points in one half?
Also it's somewhat of an accomplishment that they got to 30 points even with all those turnovers.
But in Alabamaland, the defense is untouchable. IF they lose, surely it's the offense's fault, which means someone needs to go.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah, sorry||
Didn't mean for my language to be that strong and hyperbolic.
But Kiffin was definitely underwhelming at USC. He had quite a few bad losses over that time. He took a team that was preseason #1 to unranked one of those years. Granted they were probably overhyped to begin with...but still, that bad.
And my comparison wasn't meant as a Hoke vs. Kiffin sense. More of in a "New OC for Alabama" sense. They were already really really good with Nussmeier...it doesn't make sense why they would force him out for someone who has not been that great recently (granted, as a HC, not an OC)
But yeah, your point is totally valid. I'm hoping this hire is what gets Hoke over the hump.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||Why is it a downgrade?||
His pocketbook isn't getting downgraded, that's for sure.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||I don't get the hard-on for Kiffin||
He was a complete and utter failure as a head coach. He had gobs of talent at his disposal. Not much depth, sure, but his tenure was nothing but underwhelming. Oh sure, he was really good as the OC uder Carroll. But...Nuss has had two very good years at Bama too, no?
I don't know what makes them think Kiffin is an automatic upgrade though. Maybe Saban just wanted a change of pace.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||I don't get it||
Everything screams like this is a slam dunk hire. But...I still don't get...why are Bama fans not that upset he's gone? Why is Saban basically forcing him out? I mean, the guy helped orchestrate a national championship run and was one miraculous play away from getting you to a second in a row...I just...man. I don't get it.
I'lll take it, of course. About time Michigan caught a "break" like that.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||A word of caution while everyone is jumping for joy||
Hoke still needs to find a replacement. And those who say that literally anyone is better than Borges...well, you're wrong, frankly. There are several candidates out there who on paper look like a very bad idea.
Let's not forget that the last time a MIchigan coach fired a coordinator, GERG was the replacement. We all know how that worked out.
|28 weeks 6 days ago||Regarding KSU||
That "middle of the pack" Big 12 team went 6-1 to end the year (the one loss was to an OKlahoma team who had finally "clicked" offensively into the version that wound up beating Alabama), and even with their slow, methodical pace on offense they put up over 30 points in all 7 of those games. They were 11-2 the previous year and Big 12 champions, and returned many starters from that team (the one big loss was their QB, of course). My point is..they were likely better than the 7-5 record had indicated. Coupled with losing your starting QB for the game...it was a lose-lose situation for Michigan. It took me offguard at how poorly the defense played, but when the players themselves said that their hearts weren't 100% into the game, it's hard to take much away from it.
|28 weeks 6 days ago||That may all be true||
But when you give your defense a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter and the other team ties it, your defense is part of the reason why you lose. When you give them 50 seconds and a 7 point lead to win the game and they give up a touchdown in 23 seconds, your defense is part of the reason why you lost. When you give your kicker 3 attempts to win with a field goal and he misses all 3, your special teams are part of why you lose.
Acting like Borges' conservative playcalling were the only reason for losing that game is, frankly, asinine. It was part of it, a big chunk of it for sure, but nowhere near the only thing. That loss was a team effort.
|29 weeks 1 day ago||One more thing||
There are many many reasons to hate on ESPN. You do a great job summarizing the main points. Let me add another: hockey. ESPN loves to hate hockey, to shun it as if it is inferior. This is the same network used to cover hockey and show the damn games! Now it's ok to just openly mock it and show about 30 seconds of highlights before talking about Bron Bron and offseason baseball news again. The SC anchors baically make a game of proving how muhc they don't care about hockey highlights when they mispronounce names of players not named Crosby that they probably looked at for the first time that day. I would say the 100,000+ that went to the Winter Classic prove that hockey perhaps is not a dead sport. It may not be as popular as basketball or football, but so long as they play on ice it's never going to be. But it's just comical to me how they are shoving soccer down our throats and then telling us that soccer is now more popular than hockey.
No, ESPN, just because you don't own exclusive rights to NHL coverage does not mean that people don't care about the NHL.
|30 weeks 23 hours ago||Just throwing this out there||
KSU is likely better than their 8-5 record indicates. I heard the TV guys saying this was their 7th game in a row with 30+ points. Well, no wonder they went 6-1 over that stretch. Pretty damn good for a team that is in no hurry to score on any given drive.
It doesn't change the shittiness of it all...but two teams played each other with identical records and polar opposite in-year trajectories. It's no wonder that the one with the clear upward trajectory won. My real disappointment comes in the effort level of the team. It's kinda sad when Shane Morris is arguably your best performer out there (no offense to Shane, of course...he was a pleasant surprise).
This defense needs to learn how to get off the field on 3rd down next year. The offense needs to learn how to run the ball up the gut.
|30 weeks 1 day ago||I agree||
It's hard to read too much into a game when the players themselves were saying they weren't 100% committed to it.
Though it does look really bad on the coaches.
|31 weeks 4 days ago||I don't understand this||
I dont' understand how this could even be a remote possibility. He has an NFL job - THE top of his profession - and was basically one call away from a Super Bowl ring. He had an opportunity to coach at Michigan but instead chose the NFL gig. Why the hell, just a few short years later, would he jump ship from his NFL job that he's been pretty damn successful at so far to go to Texas? It makes even less sense than the whole Saban to Texas crap, which actually did seem like a realistic lateral move that Saban might make.
Honestly it's starting to feel like Texas thinks they're more important than they really are. Surely it's a top job in the country...but cumong, man. Be realistic.
Hey, maybe Texas will hire Pete Carroll! Yeah, that makes sense too!
|31 weeks 4 days ago||Joe Dumars is an idiot.||
That is all.
|31 weeks 4 days ago||There are exactly 0 SEC teams on that list.||
|31 weeks 5 days ago||It might have, for sure||
But we just don't know....there are too many variable to list as being potential factors. I cannot possibly put myself into the mind of a highly-touted junior hs football player from Florida.
|31 weeks 6 days ago||A 2015 recruit.||
This is why I don't follow recruiting. The kid has a ton of time to decide where he wants to play. Anyone saying he did this because MIchigan had a subpar year is purely speculating,
Here's my pure speculation: Maybe Michigan blew him away in their pitch so that George committed, but upon more thought and seeing how FSU became a powerhouse overnight maybe he just wants to explore all his options. And why not? He's got a ton of time to decide.
It sucks right now, but it is what it is. It's best not to freak out at stuff like this.
|31 weeks 6 days ago||That receiver||
doesn't get all those yards without the playcaller either...to think Gallon and Devin simply talented their way to 41 points against Ohio State is asinine.
I'm getting sick of comments like this.
|31 weeks 6 days ago||You said||
Michigan "needs WRs badly" and folks have responded telling you that, no, they have a lot of guys, to which you responded that the guys we have are young and unproven, to which folks said uh, wait a minute, George is far more unproven than anyone on the team right now.
I think I can see what you were saying, but you implied something different (that a 2015 WR recruit is somehow more important to Michigan than the freshmen/sophomores currently on the roster). I don't think Michigan is in a dire position of need at WR - though it's hard to tell right now and losing a high profile recruit always hurts.
|32 weeks 18 hours ago||Anyone else think this isn't the end of the world?||
I mean, yeah, I want Michigan to win their bowl very badly.This certainly dings their chances significantly. And yeah, the seniors should be sent out with a W.
But I also think it's not that big of a deal. They're not playing in a BCS bowl. It's the freaking Buffalo Wild Wings bowl, against a good-but-not-great team. Unless Michigan suffers a MSU-level shellacking, I doubt this is a bad thing. In fact, if Shane is the starter, this is an invaluable experience for him.
Also, given the ambiguous/misleading headline, I was just happy this wasn't related to his status for coming back next year.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||This is exactly true||
Mack has completely whiffed on QBs lately. Obviously not the only problem with Texas, but it was one of the more glaring ones.
I mean, the guy who became the second redshirt freshman to ever win a Heisman would have gone to Texas in a heartbeat if Texas had just freaking offered him. That's a glaring mistake. Obviously hindsight is 20/20...but wow.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Yeah,||
But starting off your first ever post with talking about being "forced to discuss navel gazing Michigan topics" on a freaking MICHIGAN BLOG because oh noes, you can't make your own threads. You're just asking for it. If you aren't a troll, perhaps you shouldn't disrespect an entire forum in your first post. Just a thought.
I'm glad you spent time on that data. Maybe you should have spent more time being less of a dick in your first post.
|32 weeks 2 days ago||Dave Brandon is our karma||
Michigan lost because they couldn't be bothered to have a live pep band at a freaking home game against the #1 team in the country, because money or something.
I know that's not really true at all, but that's the sort of "karma" Michigan got today.
|32 weeks 4 days ago||But the two do overlap sometimes||
There are many that share the majority opinion, which is fine. But there are inevitably some posters who like to "stick it" to the guy who is voicing an unpopular opinion, and they feel emboldened to do so because they know most people on the board agree with his opinion (even if he is being a complete dick about it).
My opinion is any sort of internet forum is prone to groupthink. Because we're a group of like-minded individuals...and humans inherently want to protect their group. So any dissenting opinion has a greater chance of being "flamed" for the sake of the majority opinion. Now, most people don't act this way on this blog, but there are some. And they were obnoxious this year.
I think MGoBlog has generally been one of the better forums out there in preventing the "groupthink" mentality, and this voting system was the biggest reason for that. Because there are many intelligent posters on this board who will downvote the guy who says "FIRE BORGES" the billionth time because, dude, we get it. Shut up.
And by the way, just because it's not a popular opinion doesn't mean it's uninformed or just plain dumb. That's kind of exactly what groupthink is...assuming that a small minority who disagree is always wrong and dumb because, hey, they don't share the majority opinion.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||WOOO!!!||
|32 weeks 5 days ago||I would like some points||
kthxbai, also go blue and such.
|32 weeks 5 days ago||I hate you all.||
DO IT I DARE YOU.
|32 weeks 6 days ago||You're entitled to your own opinions||
But not your own facts.
|33 weeks 1 day ago||WE GET IT||
WE GET IT
|33 weeks 1 day ago||How much does Devin Gardner bring in to Akron?||
This is the crux of the counterargument. I'm not saying students shouldn't be paid, it is certainly jarring to think about how much money coaches and higher ups are making compared to the small stipend of the students (yes full ride scholarship, I know I know...but that's nothing compared to multimillion dollar coaches)...but there are some very serious issues to take into account, and I have yet to hear a solution that will work for the Michigans, Alabamas, Texas's of the world as well as the Akrons, EMUs, and SDSUs of the world. And that's not even taking into account other sports.
|33 weeks 2 days ago||If Urban sat him out for the game...||
...then why the hell would he not be forthcoming about that in the first place? You cannot claim moral authority here, because we still know nothing. If Urban's whole intention was to sit him out, then why can't he even share that fact with the media? He's not exactly Brady Hoke or Lane Kiffin in presser's...
I also hate your "I told you so" mentality. Many folks were upset that Urban didn't suspend him. He didn't play...was he suspended, or was he just not good enough to be a starter this week? There's a big difference.
|33 weeks 3 days ago||This is exactly my thought||
I've noticed some people that, instead of responding to reasoned criticism, will just label them as a "concern troll" as if that just completely stops the argument right there.
I don't know how what M-Wolverine said got to the point where he should have been banned, and the only reason it bothers me is because there are waaaaay more worthless posters on this board who should've been banned before him. He actually had well-thought out arguments. Maybe he stepped over the line in that recruiting thread...but from what I saw, it didn't look like an insta-ban comment. And he wasn't the type of guy who would just start fights just because (like chitown was).
I feel like Brian is being overly defensive. It's his blog, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. But it is very unsettling to me. The comments have gone downhill, but Brian is targeting the wrong posters in my opinion.
|33 weeks 3 days ago||In my mind||
While the previous voting system promoted lots of groupthink, in my mind there has been just as much of it without the voting. Folks get braver to yell at the one guy going against the "group think" because they know they don't have a fear of getting negged, and so long as they don't go too far out of line they're not getting banned. It's kind of a catch-22. I think a blog like this is going to naturally have groupthink regardless of what you do.
|33 weeks 5 days ago||NOt even close||
The Louisville game. Because it was for the championship.
I'm not even much of a basketball fan either.
A better question would be...would you rather the BB win vs. Louisville, or a FB win over OSU in 2006, which was the "Game of the Century" #1 vs. #2. That would be a much closer poll.
|34 weeks 19 hours ago||There are no moral victories||
Only moral losses.
Duh. It's science.
|34 weeks 22 hours ago||Off the top of my head...||
...oh I don't know...
41 points against Ohio State?
It was no fluke. Please don't call it a fluke.
|34 weeks 22 hours ago||Commence MGoMeltdown||
|34 weeks 1 day ago||If they knew what was coming||
Then they got lucky. Because they clearly had no idea for the first 600 yards. Borges might have out thought himself on the call, but I call BS here.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||Not to mention||
Michigan will undoubtedly be better next year. At least on paper they should be.
|34 weeks 1 day ago||The||
The drop off won't be huge, you have a point. But I think senior Hyde with junior Miller are the best duo they'll have at RB/QB for a loooooong time. They'll still have miller but losing Hyde is a big deal (kinda sorta like losing Mike Hart)
|34 weeks 2 days ago||Beating an undefeated team is hard||
Yeah, it sucks to lose. Yeah, I haaaaate that we've beaten them once in the past decade.
|34 weeks 3 days ago||You are so confident in that||
I'm not going to convince you...but don't just sweep this aside.
What if this year is the aberration? What if Hoke's first year is the real indication of where this program could be with an experienced roster?
|34 weeks 3 days ago||I don't know, man||
Winning a BCS bowl wasn't really that awful.
|34 weeks 3 days ago||It's easy||
Michigan has one loss at home under Hoke.
|34 weeks 5 days ago||Bo||
didn't live in an era with twitter.
But let's pretend like that's irrelevant. Right.
|34 weeks 5 days ago||For the life of me||
I don't understand why it's OK to reduce Hoke as a coach as simply being a "figurehead"? What an insult to the man and his job.
There's no way you, me, or any other fan can possibly make that evaluation. Hoke's day-to-day coaching is probably extremely hands on, and I bet you a dollar that every player on that team would take offense to someone characterizing (cariacaturing?) him as simply a "figurehead coach".
|34 weeks 5 days ago||I had no idea we lost to OSU already.||
Are you from the future?
|34 weeks 5 days ago||Yes, IFFFFF||
They did not, though.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||You must be selectively reading then||
"We're just not playing in sync, and that’s my responsibility. We’ve got to find a way in this football game and whatever games are left to get back in sync. There’s a good offense in there"
|34 weeks 6 days ago||The only man who should care is Dave Brandon||
And the only way he notices is if the seats don't sell out or the boosters stop giving their support.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||You're confusing two things||
I don't think we have any right to judge another person's decision to renew or not renew season tickets. That's a big committment to make. By all means, don't buy the tickets if you're not satisfied with where the program is and cannot justify the expense. You don't owe Michigan football anything at that point. It's a big expense, and if you'd rather take your money elsewhere, then fine. It doesn't necessarily mean you have given up on Michigan at all...you may still watch the games on TV, anyway. There is a bit of fairweather mindedness to it, but I'm not going to heavily chastise you for doing it, because it's not my money. College football is becoming exceedingly expensive to attend. Brian has a point here (though how it relates to Hoke's super bad f-word the other day is suspect at best)
Where my bigger issue comes is with those who have bought the tickets but then sell the ones for the most important game of the year to fans of your archrival. That makes you very VERY fairweather. If you don't want to go, then fine, don't go (you're still fairweather, but whatever) But I'd rather it be an empty seat than a tool in red. If you really must sell your ticket, then at least go through the effort to sell it to a fellow Michigan fan. If you really care about Michigan enough, you'll go through that effort.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||Nebraska||
Literally one play from a win. Nebraska had a 4th and 2....probably committed a false start and the D didn't step up to make that stop. With a stop M could practically take a knee and win.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||Snark||
That's just the MGoFaithful replicating their fearless leader. This has always be a very snarky blog. Lately, it's made it nearly impossible to "debate" with anyone when they think being snarky is a valid response.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||Why is that a bad quote?||
Borges is saying that his offense can play with anyone, that they are capable of being great. You look at it as throwing players under the bus...I guarantee you Borges meant it as an offer of hope that his guys are more than capable of getting the job done.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||They care||
Tp think they don't give two shits about fans is wrong. Flat out wrong. They care. They see empty seats. If there's a lot of red, they'll see it. They will shake it off and try to play like it doesn't matter, and maybe it wouldn't, but it would be a hell of a lot easier if home advantage is actually, you know, an advantage. No, fans being in seats is not the difference between a win and a loss. But if you don't think it matters...then I don't know what to tell you.
I mean, we had a whole story about fans booing at the Nebraska game, clearly in disagreement with the stupid playcall of run up the middle for no gain. That really affected the players...they talked about how they had to band together and ignore the boos, that they were alone in it. And this was for boos that weren't even directed at them! Now imagine a stadium half full of red singing OHIO chants. You don't think that matters?
|34 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah I kinda figured||
that's what you meant. We are in agreement anyway...your last paragraph is exactly my view. And why I think prices don't matter in this argument...if you bought a ticket already, then GO TO THE GAME. It's not just some game...it's THE game. You may not be satisfied with how much you spent for them, and that it looks like a likely loss given the team's underwhelming performance so far...but at this point why go back on it? Of all the games to give up, THIS is not one. Not if you really call yourself a Michigan fan.
If it upsets those that much then...fine don't buy the ticket in the future. By all means. That's fickle too, but not nearly as fickle as selling a ticket you already bought to an OSU fan.
My last point on this: imagine what Bo would say if he was asked this very same question. He maybe wouldn't use that super naughty mean f-word, but he sure as hell wouldn't have nice things to say about them either.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||There's only so much negativity I can take||
And the team hasn't gone 1-6. Yet.
See...to me, there may not be a lot of hope for Saturday, but as long as there's a game being played I still have hope that michigan will win. I had hope in the 2008 game against OSU. It's part of being a fan. The fickleness is just plain giving up on them just because they don't live up to your expectations. You can complain about Hoke said...but it's not like he was totally off-base with his comments (like how RR wasn't either). It's not like he publicly cursed out his fanbase after a win like a certain Bo Pelini did recently.
And for all the self-loathing around here lately, this team is still going to wind up being no worse than RR's best season here (in terms of wins and losses, at least).
So, there is plenty of reason to be upset with how things have looked this year. I'm fucking pissed off too. Even though I have been one of guys preaching patience with borges (as much as he has been terrible this year), I would happily embrace it if Hoke fired him. But there's only so much negativity and "FIRE XXXX" BS and nitpicking one word out of a presser I can take before it just gets to be way overboard. I mean, for fuck's sake, there are some (very few, but still, some) posters here who think a win would be the worst thing Michigan can do on Saturday! That's plain ridiculous.
I want Michigan to win so damn badly, just so people will shut up and stop bitching so damn much about things they can't control.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||Haha, touche.||
I am being a tad bit fickle here. Nobody has to give a rat's ass whether I decide to leave the blog or not, obviously.
But I'm not selling my MGoBlog membership to an OSU troll. And I'm still here (for now).
|34 weeks 6 days ago||I don't get this thinking.||
If you start off low the only way you have to go is up (btw, his wins went up, but decidedly not his defense)
|34 weeks 6 days ago||I don't think so.||
Hoke is very straightforward. He was asked about the sea if red and responded by saying they (as in the M fans who sold their tickets to OSU fans) are being fickle. Brian is still going to the game. So I don't think it was a personal thing, but for some reason he took it personally.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||Nothing to do with prices||
I wouldn't call you "fickle" if you pay a lot for tickets one year and decide that the increased prices and mediocre product don't justify purchasing the same tickets next year. That's simple cost-benefit analysis. It's a personal decision, and only you know your finances. I know plenty of M football fans that can't justify the expense anymore. That's most certainly Brandon's fault.
I would call you fickle for paying money for a full season of tickets, then bailing on THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME OF THe YEAR because they're not as good as you thought and oh noes they're probably going to lose.
Michigan needs their fans the most this weekend. And they're bailing. That's being extremely fickle. And Hoke has every right to be upset about it and say what he said.
And I have no idea how this isn't a touch hyprocritical of Brian. He was a guy who rightly said the media was being way too harsh on RR that one time when he said not nice things about some dumb fans. And now Hoke does essentially the same thing, and Brian is giving him the same critical treatment that the mainstream guys were giving RR in 2008.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||You're going to sit there and tell me||
that the loss to PSU, or Nebraska, or Iowa, is worse than the blowout humiliation against Sparty? Really? Really.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||I don't always agree with your views||
But here I could not agree with you more.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||One of the best offenses in UM history||
got us to 7 wins.
In contrast, one of the worst offenses Michigan has seen in a good long while has gotten us to...
But...FIRE EVERYBODY! DONT SAY NOT NICE THINGS EVER! RR GOT SKEWERED THAT ONE TIME BY THE MEDIA AND IT WAS NOT FAIR SO LETS SKEWER HOKE BECUASE NOBODY ELSE WILL!!!
I'm sorry, this blog is starting to rub me a very very wrong way lately.
|34 weeks 6 days ago||"Obviously"?||
Why "obviously"? See, #2 is more correct imo. People were all YAY HOKE when he led this team to a Sugar bowl. Brian praised Borges after the ND win, earlier in THIS very year. One subpar season of regression on offense later, they're ready to fire the guy and give him absolutely no credit for that BCS win. Seems pretty fickle to me. Writing a whole post on one word seems also pretty fickle. The only folks who take exception to that characterization are probably the ones being fickle. But that's just my read on the situation.
|35 weeks 3 hours ago||Why is it sad?||
Look, I know most around here don't like Borges and want him gone, but the reality is that's not happening because this is his first year with his full fledged offense here, and for better or worse Hoke is going to stick with him and let him try to develop it more. I mean, we all ding RR for letting Shafer go early...yet we all want Borges gone yesterday. Like it or not, the guy has been working with talent suited to a different system and managed his transition slower to accommodate it. When he says it's his first real year with his offense, he's not using it as an excuse just stating what is true.
|35 weeks 2 days ago||Exactly||
So many of those pining away for what could have been say "well if only we paid Casteel more!" which makes two gross assumptions: (1) That money was the only reason holding Casteel back from the move to Michigan (it was not), (2) that Casteel would have made RR more successful at Michigan (impossible to prove, though obviously there's good reason to believe this).
If not having Casteel was the only thing holding RR back from being successful, what does that say for RR as a head coach? The two aren't joined at the hip. What happens if Casteel gets successful enough at Zone to jump to a head coach position? How does RR fare?
And the rest of this thread....ugggghhhh. Yes, that win over Oregon was very big. But folks acting like RR's team are SO VASTLY superior forget that his record and Michigan's record are identical. RR lost to Washington State. WSU is not that good, and I have no idea why folks think they are that good. They're no better than the Penn State or Nebraska type teams that Michigan has faced and lost to. If you look at the teams Arizona has beaten this year...other than Oregon it's a bunch of nobodies. N Arizona, UNLV, UTSA, Utah, Colorado, Cal. Which win was their best? Utah? Wow, amazing victory there. And even oregon...Stanford exposed them, and Oregon has been much shakier recently than they ever were in previous years.
I'm not saying Arizona isn't better than Michigan right now, but folks here are acting like Zona is the greatest thing since sliced bread when the reality is both teams are 7-4 and closer than you think. Michigan beat ND and Minnesota handily this year...obviously nowhere near the accomplishment of beating Oregon but those wins count for something too, ya know (Minny is 8-3 and only lost to Wisconsin by 13 yesterday...not too shabby).
And we cannot ignore that Arizona is more experienced right now than Michigan. It matters. A lot. As Michigan fans, given the past 5 years, we should know better than most that it matters.
|35 weeks 4 days ago||Crazy prediction||
Michigan scores one of those things called "torchclowns" but IN REGULATION YOU GUYS! In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say they do it TWO times. Iowa scores a touchdown, on their last drive before halftime (because that ALWAYS happens). Michigan gets two field goals, and gives Iowa two interceptions that result in a field goal and a pick 6. The rest of the time the offenses are derping around for relatively short drives (and several 3 and outs) that result in punts.
Final score: 20-17 Michigan
EDIT: I forgot to add, Kirk Ferentz will definitely punt from the Michigan 40 yard line on 4th and 5 at some point.
|35 weeks 4 days ago||When was this mythical time?||
For the life of me, I can't remember a year when all of those teams (except maybe Indiana) was an automatic win. Even 2006, Iowa and Penn State were very close games. NW has always been one of those pesky teams, generally it's a win but it's never an easy win (last two years are shining examples of this).
I think Iowa always plays tough, so the game is going to be close. But I'm hoping Michigan rides the momentum of a tough and somewhat miraculous win last week. I'm hoping that the Nebraska game was more of a mental hangover from the MSU game than anything else (the dreaded "don't let them beat you twice" disease). Because right now, Michigan needs all the confidence it can get. If they want a real shot at beating Ohio, they have to truly believe that they will beat them.
|35 weeks 5 days ago||This is the one area where Borges scares me||
I'm generally fine with waiting to see how the Borges offense will develop here over the next couple of years. But I don't particularly like the idea of him being the Qb coach. But I don't really have a good reason why besides like, feelings.
How many OC's around the NCAA are also QB coaches? Is this a relatively common thing?
|35 weeks 6 days ago||Yeah I get that frustration||
Most OC's should succeed with a talented and experienced roster.
But by that same token, I get frustrated with those that think Borges should be doing a lotbetter with less, when such a thing out of an OC is more rare than people think and I'm not exactly sure how much better someone else could do with this roster. There aren't many Chip Kelly's in the world. Shoot, ND has an offensive head coach and they haven't exactly been lighting everyone up since he's been there.