|17 weeks 2 days ago||I think it depends on a lot||
I think it depends on a lot of things, most of which have been mentioned already in the thread. One thing that I don't think was mentioned was the culture in your town. I live/coach in a "football town", they want their team to be great. We have parents that make their kids play football (against the wishes of the coaches, we understand football isn't for everyone). I've had kids with concussions who's parents demand that they play, even though they haven't been cleared. I pulled a kid once because he took a hit to the head and wouldn't put him back in. His parents threatened to get me fired.
We just moved our fourth and fifth graders away from full contact to padded flag. The parents flipped out. I'm talking threatened to sell their homes and move to a different town flipped out.
Our numbers are very good and getting better, but sometimes I just shake my head.
|29 weeks 6 days ago||Antics?||
Like beating a woman to the point she needed to be taken away on a stretcher?
In my mind he's not an "American", he's a piece of shit.
|30 weeks 5 days ago||As an OC that runs the||
As an OC that runs the flexbone triple option, who has one of his playbooks and has read the ones online, I'm sure you know more about this than me.
|30 weeks 5 days ago||They gave up over 300 yards||
They gave up over 300 yards of offense. VT sold out to stop the run and get after a young QB and it worked well for them, but saying they took Urbz lunch money is a bit much. Getting your lunch money stolen is rushing for -27 yards. Is it so hard to beleive that Urban Meyer is a good coach and even a good coach with an inexperienced team can lose a game?
|30 weeks 5 days ago||A) That was exactly my||
A) That was exactly my point, Feldman calling it a "secret" is dumb. You can give Foster credit for implementing it all you want, but he didn't create anything.
B) Then why does GT lead the country in rushing all the time? Paul Johnson sells DVDs on how to install his offense. His play books are online. There are even youtube videos of him explaining his offense. Every defensive coordinator in the country knows exactly what they are doing. Must be all those five star recruits.
|30 weeks 5 days ago||Secret defense?||
This is pure clickbait by Feldman. Since when is a bear front a secret? Foster didn't even come up with the idea himself, he stole it from Ole Miss. Having read the actual case reports on X and O labs, it seems to me they got lucky that Barret didn't have a good game and that OSU's offense as a whole was inexperienced. If they run this defense next year against OSU, I predict a lot of pain for VT.
|36 weeks 1 day ago||It's a pretty standard way to||
It's a pretty standard way to perform a shotgun snap. If done properly the QB will catch the ball with his hand on the laces.
|36 weeks 2 days ago||It would slide out of place||
It would slide out of place opening the fridge.
|36 weeks 2 days ago||I tore my ACL playing||
I tore my ACL playing football, tried to play and tore up my meniscus pretty bad. Doctor said I would need my knee replaced sometime around 40. Have dislocated both shoulders multiple times. I had surgery on the right one to repair a 270 degree labral tear, doc said it was the most stitches he had ever put in a shoulder. The shoulder surgery was, in my opinion way worse as far as pain and length of recovery. Which is why the left one isn't getting fixed unless I have too.
|37 weeks 3 days ago||1) Teacher/coach (football||
1) Teacher/coach (football and track)
|41 weeks 3 days ago||I'm going to show this to my||
I'm going to show this to my high jumpers.
|46 weeks 5 days ago||What do you know about||
What do you know about coaching?
|46 weeks 5 days ago||I love these quotes about||
I love these quotes about incoming freshmen and how they don't go in the weight room the first three weeks.
"Somebody is going to break; it’s inevitable.”
"The stress of having to compete when they’re already fatigued is almost emotionally traumatic."
Winter conditioning should be fun.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||What?||
You mean to tell me that you can exchange your points for stuff? I've been doing this wrong.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Not according to the depth||
Not according to the depth chart...
Pettway does not start. Jarran Reed does, all 315 lbs of him.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||One of Bama's DE's is 315.||
One of Bama's DE's is 315.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Taco could be 284 by next||
Taco could be 284 by next season and Poggi could be 280 by next season. You combine that with the other guys and that is a damn good two deep, which you have to have.
So if your theory is that you need huge guys to beat OSU, would you care to explain to me why Bama just got run over for 280+ yards?
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Yes.||
Wisconsin does run a 3-4.
|47 weeks 3 days ago||I've never had a problem with||
I've never had a problem with my guys focusing on the sideline.
What do you consider a complicated adjustment? If I am making major adjustments, that means we were not prepared.
We will use halftime to go over and refine any adjustments made.
|47 weeks 3 days ago||Homemade or instant?||
Homemade or instant?
|47 weeks 3 days ago||Why wait?||
Why would you wait to make adjustments? If you are a good coach, you are always making little adjustments based on what the other team is doing.
In college and pro's it is really easy. You have your entire unit on the sideline and are talking to them about what is going on and what you need to fix. Every coach is wearing a headset, so communication between coaches is extremly easy.
Also, as mentioned, talent and depth are a big deal. If your DT's are getting destroyed, there is only so much you can do.
|51 weeks 5 days ago||The OP said "he might not||
The OP said "he might not have done this because of football related concussions?"
I was simply providing some information on the fact that this is a very real problem outside of sports.
|51 weeks 5 days ago||Suicide is the 10th leading||
Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death in the US., causing over 40,000 deaths in 2012. Every 13 minutes someone is committing suicide. Suicide and depression are a problem everywhere, not just football, hockey or wrestling.
|51 weeks 6 days ago||LOL. The butkus finalist||
LOL. The butkus finalist argument.
|51 weeks 6 days ago||Where are all the people who||
Where are all the people who complained about moving Ryan to MLB?
|1 year 4 days ago||I think we agree it was the||
I think we agree it was the right thing to do, just shouldn't have had too.
|1 year 4 days ago||This is not basketball. He||
This is not basketball. He had to slow it down, because they went up tempo and we were not prepared for it. Hoke is entirely to blame for it, it is his job to make sure they are prepared.
|1 year 5 days ago||Serious Question||
Do we know for sure that Nuss had a blank check? I just have this weird feeling that Nuss is being hindered by what Hoke thinks Michigan football should look like.
|1 year 5 days ago||Interesting couple of post.||
Interesting couple of post. Starts off with saying "fuck him" about a 17-18 year old making a choice about where he will play football and ends with "You're only as good as you're word".
What do your words say about you?
|1 year 5 days ago||Players don't like||
Players don't like conditioning, so Hoke doesn't make them do it. Remember he's a nice guy, players coach.
|1 year 5 days ago||He had a good week of||
He had a good week of practice.
|1 year 1 week ago||Panthers fan here and you are||
Panthers fan here and you are so correct. I don't think most people understand how much talent walked out the door after last season. Basically they just added Benjamin and a bunch of scrubs.
I was never a big fan of Cam and you are correct about him not being that accurate, but behind this line he is screwed. I think they should shut him down before he gets broken physically and/or mentally.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||I asked this question||
I asked this question already, but which injuries are you talking about? It is football, people get hurt, which ones are the results of S&C.
"a troubling lack of physicality" that is not the job of the S&C coach. That is the job of the head coach.
It's hard to determine the physical abiltiy of players on the field, when they are poorly coached. Again, it doesn't matter how gifted of an athlete you are, if you are poorly coached, have poor technique and are out of postition it doesn't matter. You keep talking about what you can see. If see a poorly coached football team. They look slow at times, because of a little thing call "paralysis by analysis". They think to much, do not trust themselves on their reads/ assignments which causes them to react slowly.
I also have sports injuries. I've torn my ACL and have dislocated both shoulders multiple times and required surgery for those. Does that mean my high school football coach didn't train me correctly?
You are just looking everything through one lense. I see things differently because I coach football, while also being a S&C coach. Are we as athletic as OSU or Bama? Hell no, but if you watch some of the guys from high school, some of this isn't suprising. Smith is exactly what we thought he was, a straight a head pounder with average speed. Wellmen is not going to make him Barry Sanders.
How do you explain Taylor Lewan's numbers by the way? He killed it at the combine last year, just luck I suppose.
People just want to argue? Dude, read the title.
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Just so we are clear, you do||
Just so we are clear, you do not know what Wellmen has going on inside his program, but yet "there is a better way than what's going on now" ?
|1 year 2 weeks ago||Questions||
You keep talking about keeping the players safe and that is great, but what injuries are you blaming on Wellmen? We don't even know what half the injuries are, we are just guessing and reading tweets. Is it Wellmen's fault Peppers has bone chips in his knee (assuming that is the injury)? It appears Morgan broke his hand/wrist or something, is that on the S&C coach? Morris' concussion? Green's broken collarbone? Hill's broken jaw? Are you going to blame him for Pipkins ACL last year, when he was rolled up on?
You also claim that S&C is one of the main factors to football success. There is some truth to that, but if you are not putting those strong, fast players in the right position it doesn't matter. If you are not teaching the correct technique, it does not matter. If they are thinking more than reacting, it does not matter. I was on a coaching staff once were we had five seniors who played college football on offense. All big, strong, explosive, fast dudes. We averaged 7 points a game vs teams with a winning record. Had nothing to do with S&C and everything to do with coaching.
By the way, I am also the strength and conditioning coordinator.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||I am a Panthers fan and I||
I am a Panthers fan and I agree. He had no idea how to use Cam. I was thrilled when he got the Browns job.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||I could be wrong, but I||
I could be wrong, but I believe that Bellomy signals in plays. He doesn't carry around his helmet and he can't just run off to get it. Someone has to understand the situation and make sure he gets it. Who is in charge of that I don't know.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Their offense has no excuse,||
Their offense has no excuse, I agree. You have to admit that they have very little depth on the dline.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Not really. Depth is always||
Not really. Depth is always important and Wisconsin has lost two of their three starting d-linemen.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Kind of agree. However, I||
Kind of agree. However, I think what you are seeing are the benefits of oversigning.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||Football isn't hard?||
You seem to be forgetting that the defense isn't going to just let you engage them and drive them off the line. Saban makes things easy? Obviously you don't know much about his defense.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||I'm not sure who taught you||
I'm not sure who taught you how to punch, but if it is identical to your bench press motion you're doing it wrong.
Bench is over rated, period. Squats and cleans are where you make a living as an OL (actually all positions). If you want to knock people off the LOS it's about the lower body, not the upper. That is why you don't stress the shit out of it.
I also have a copy of Barwis' Michigan workouts and bench press is definitely part of the plan.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Three weeks is a lot of time.||
Three weeks is a lot of time. I have nine practices left before our first game. I have no idea who my two DT's are, who my OLB's are, I have no idea who the hell is going to play either corner. Our QB competition is to close to call, only one guy on the OL is a lock to start. Oh and we are a top five ranked team, a lot of people think we can win a state title.
However, you have just made me start to panick, so tomorrow to start practice I am going to run around waving my hands screaming "we're all going to die, we're all going to die" Also, we're just going to cancel the season. Thanks for you wisdom.
|1 year 22 weeks ago||skill noun: the ability to||
|1 year 22 weeks ago||Unskilled? Do you actually||
Unskilled? Do you actually think NFL players are unskilled?
|1 year 22 weeks ago||I'll be honest with you. In||
I'll be honest with you. In the last eight years I have never had a kid quit playing football and play soccer. I've had them quit to play basketball, hockey, baseball, lacrosse and even one for show choir, but never soccer.
Would be curious to hear what other coaches have had happen.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||Honestly||
I have no idea why you even come back here. I hate how most of the commenters think they know anything about coaching football or just football in general. I would love to post more, but there are wayyyyyyyyyyy to many dipshits that have no clue that will attack you for your opinion. An opinion that is based on years of experience, actually coaching football. I hate that most of the posters think actual football is like a video game. This game is fucking hard, just because a kid was good in high school does not mean that he will be good in college; there are just to many variables that go into everything. I have read about an 1/8 of a UFR and said to myself "what the fuck is this guy talking about" and I will never read one again. Some days I hate that I read this blog and that causes me to hate myself a little bit.
I appreciate the work you do trying to educate some of the fans here. I have no idea why you do it, but it is admirable. I also appreciate the work that Magnus does and enjoy reading his blog.
|1 year 30 weeks ago||One thing that is kind of||
One thing that is kind of cool about them doing things a little different is that it keeps us book readers guessing as well. I think it is smart on their part.
|1 year 32 weeks ago||That position often forced||
That position often forced him to cover slot recievers too,which is not good. Solid defenses are built up the middle. Therefore putting your best defensive player in the middle is not a bad idea. It is also not just about Jake Ryan. It is about making the entire defense better. If we play solid defense and win 10 games, I don't care if Ryan is third string waterboy.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||You are correct about Tall||
You are correct about Tall and I think he was a good coach. He was replaced by Hoke and Mattison, who are two very well respected defensive line coaches with a ton of experience. I think this is the learning curve you are talking about and I agree with you that there is one.
Experienced coaches do stay on one side of the ball, but younger coaches ofter flip for a few years. They do this for a couple of reasons and I'll use a coach with a defensive background as an example. If they have to go coach offense, it forces them to understand how offenses truely work. They can then use their defensive knowledge to attack opposing defenses because they know where the weak points are.
Yes, I know there is more than taking proper steps involved in playing football. It was just a simple example of a very important part of playing football.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||You might want to check on||
You might want to check on who made the absolute statement first and yeah they can. All coaching is it teaching. If you can teach a linebacker to take his proper steps, why can't you teach a wide reciever too? If you can teach a linebacker to take on a block, why can't you teach a corner too?
What do I know though, I've only coached like seven positions.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Umm, no. Good coaches can||
Umm, no. Good coaches can coach any position on the field. At the end of the day technique, drills and responsibilities can be learned pretty quickly. You do not have to play a position to coach it. Greg Mattison played offense in college and he was even hired by an NFL team to coach linebackers even though he had never coached them before.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||It's a defensive call.||
It's a defensive call.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||So True||
I've been saying for years that the 3-3 was not the problem. I have ran it with great success as a defensive coordinator, as well as a 4-3. The 3-3 is a totally different animal that most people don't really understand and you give some great examples of how you need to adjust. When I switched to the 3-3 from the 4-3 there was a learning curve on how to adjust and I don't think GERG ever really knew how to make those adjustments.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||Oh I get what he was saying||
Oh I get what he was saying and agree with what he said. What I am getting at is that there are high school coaches out that there that do a better job of preparing their teams. It is brutal watching this team play on the road.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||"On the road or neutral site||
"On the road or neutral site we look like a high school team and are constantly unprepared and look flat". That is a pretty big insult to a lot of very good high school football coaches. I actually don't think many high school teams are as bipolar as Hoke's though. I agree with you that it is a huge issue and a puzzling one at that.
|1 year 47 weeks ago||As a Panthers fan I have no||
As a Panthers fan I have no idea what you are talking about. Cam was awful last year. When Chud got the head job at Cleveland last year I literally ran around my classroom cheering like an idiot.
|1 year 50 weeks ago||For most teams that use the||
For most teams that use the boards to call their plays, each offense play is also given a category. For example inside zone might be movies and counter might be rappers. When they call the play at the line of scrimmage then they just use something that fits into those categories. They also have to determine if they are going to run the play to the left or right. Just using the few examples you have already and assuming that they're talking about the movies and not the actual comic book characters. Perhaps a movie that has THE at the beginning is a play to the right (The Wolverine) and a movie that does not goes to the left (Puss in Boots). They may be doing something different but this is how I learned it.
|2 years 2 weeks ago||In my experience the players||
In my experience the players are the ones that pick out the pregame music. It is not there for the fans. Do I like all the music that my players pick for pregame? No, but then again I realize that it is not all about me.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||That is how it used to be.||
That used to be the case until about five or six years ago. The cost of having the ambulance there now just cost some school districts more than they can afford. I've seen a kid with a neck injury lay on the field for an hour and another for about 45 minutes after breaking his ankle (was very similar to Fitz's injury last year). Some towns don't even have an ambulane or EMT any more because it has all become privatized. Last year our booster club paid to have an ambulance at our games.
|3 years 3 days ago||You are correct that the||
You are correct that the o-line is the biggest problem. I think people don't understand how it translates to play calling though. Ohio runs a 4-3 and our interior line cannot single block both of their DT's, this means we need to doulbe atlease one of them.
That is huge win for them, they have now "changed the math". Ideally on offense you want to block each defender with one guy, because you are already at a numerical disadvantage due to the fact that your ball carrier cannot block and unless you run the single wing or an option scheme your quarterback does not block (it is considered a block by the quarterback if someone accounts for him on an option play in which he gives or pitches it) So assuming single blocks in a pro style offense you have nine guys accounting for eleven. Now you add in a double and it is eight vs eleven (This is why teams often run bootlegs to keep a couple of guys honest so you don't need to block them) Now if we have to doulbe both of the DT's it becomes a bigger problem. Add in a missed block and oh boy it gets ugly.
Their lack of respect for our interior run game, combined with their talent on the line means they can play the inside run game with the two DT's and the MLB. They can now widen out their ends and OLB's to control the outside run game. Add in the safeties because of the lack of a deep passing created by the pressure or who is playing QB and you have a recipe for a really bad offense. They now have three guys committed to the outside on each side, plus a MLB who is going to look for the cutbacks. Now you cannot run the ball at all, but if you just give up on it they will simply pin their ears back. This also makes the middle look pretty open, which it is, if you have the guys to do it. We do not have those guys. I would guess this was part of the adjustment that they made at halftime and the only thing Al could do was attack the middle, which is like hunting a bear with a BB gun.
|3 years 3 days ago||Their defense as a unit may||
Their defense as a unit may be mediocre, but there defensive line is legit. Our offensive line is simple not very good as a unit. In order to exploit the rest of the defense you need to take care of their front four. We did not and honestly cannot do that on a regular basis and the examples that you give are the results of the few times we did. Are they better than us as a whole? Maybe a little, but the one area that they are really good we are really bad. There is a reason so much emphasis is being put on the OL in recruting. To me this game goes back to old saying that games are won in the trenches. They won the trenches.
|3 years 3 days ago||Secret Sauce??||
What are you talking about? Turnovers weren't the issue? In football turnovers are always an issue and if you turn it over you will not win very many games. In our four loses we turned to ball over 16 times. That is umm, not good. It also make it difficult to call plays during a turnoverfest because your players often become rattled and are thinking about not turning the ball over, which leads to mistakes.
How is Al only a "passable" OC? He was the OC on Aurburn's undefeated team awhile back, when he had players that fit his system. Who are the OC that could have made Denard a pocket passer? He did the best he could to modify his system to fit Denard while still building for the future. Maybe you should give him sometime with a pocket passer before you say he isn't great. This isn't a video game where you can just add the plays you want and it doesn't really matter how they work together or what type of talent you have.
"Being a good OC isn't about hard work or luck, it's intelligence," That couldn't be futher from the truth. In fact, that is one of the dumbest things I have read on here in a long time.
The fact of the matter is that the offense is really not that talented. We have a QB that doesn't fit the system, average running backs, one stud OL, one good OL, three interior OL that are simply not good enough to get the job done no matter how hard they try, our WR's leave a lot to be desired and our best TE is a skinny true freshman. Look how many Ohio defenders will get drafted in the next few drafts (I count five in just the next one) and then look at how many of our offensive players will. (I count two and Denard will switch positions)
I like this quote to describe how Brady and Al have handle the offense, "Always be a first-rate version of yourself, instead of a second-rate version of somebody else." If you want to see a high tempo, spread option attack that is going to put up video game numbers then you are in for a lot of disappointment in the future.
|3 years 24 weeks ago||Agreed!||
Would love to have those questions answered. I also don't know how GERG did it to be honest with you. To have no control over the defense you are running or the guy's coaching it would be enough to drive me insane.
|3 years 24 weeks ago||The 4-3 didn't produce||
The 4-3 didn't produce terrible results. The shitty position coaching produced terrible results. Shafer's 4-3 defense is a pretty good one and is really fun to coach because of how aggressive it is.
|3 years 24 weeks ago||It doesn't mitigate speed.||
It doesn't mitigate speed. It mitigates size through the use of speed. Teams that run the 3-3 are usually small and fast. Does it help against the speed? Sure. If taught and run properly with the right players it will shut down a power running game. Then again, that can be said about any defense.
Like you said though Michigan's 3-3 was coached by someone who had no idea what he was doing and was surrounded by guys who can't coach fundamentals. That is a recipe for disaster.
|3 years 24 weeks ago||I watched the show first and||
I watched the show first and then read the first two books before the start of the second season. Like you said, you notice all of the things they leave out or change, although I will admit some are for the better. However, what they did to the battle for King's Landing on the show almost made me swear off the show forever.
|3 years 24 weeks ago||Good points||
Don't forget about field goals though. I think it is more important to the field goal part of the kicking game, due to all of the moving parts and timing.
|3 years 24 weeks ago||Where are these holes that||
Where are these holes that need addressing? Every position has been addressed. Everyone from here on out is just icing on the cake.
The differece between being a great and a good one is huge. Try losing a game because you got a kick blocked.
|3 years 24 weeks ago||Speed of the game||
It's all well and good that high school kids can do it, but they also don't have the same athletes coming after the kicks like they do in college. If he can get the ball back in .69 sec that is impressive and a huge advantage in the kicking game.
|3 years 29 weeks ago||It is a fun defense||
I installed this defense three years ago and have run it ever since. It took a little while to get everyone comfortable switching over from the 4-3 scream and splatter, but once they did it was a lot of fun. Here are a bunch of things that I have learned over the years:
There are a lot of different ways to run a 3-3-5. Some guys will run the true stack with the DTs at the 4 tech and the Sam and Will stacked behind them, this is what I run. I know a guy that runs his with the DTs in 5's and the Sam and Will in 30's three yards off the ball. I know two guys who run with the DTs in 3's and the Sam and Will at 50's. This will all depend on the type of athletes you have.
Also, you need to decide how you want to use your box safeties (Spur and Bandit) to get the most out of your players. I line mine up 3x3 off the last man on the line in base defense and will often have them rolling up or back. This will also be determined by how you line up your DTs and LB's. This year for example my spur almost always lined up 1x1 off the line, a lot like a standup end in a 5-3. On the other side though my Bandit would often walk off and be 8 yards off the line becasue he could fly down hill.
The three safeties are in my opinion the most important guys on the field. These are your best athletes and they need to have the best coaches. If your Spur and Bandit cannot hold the edge you mine as well just go home. They also need to be able to go out in the flats and depending on your coverage scheme they may need to cover man to man. The FS needs to be a ball hawk, make quick reads, and tackle in the open field, he can be the difference between a good and great defense. Some coaches though will have their FS sit back and just not give up the big play. (Which I hate.)
Are you going to be a blitzing team or one that reads and reacts? I personally love to blitz (one game I blitzed on every single play) and you can be very creative. I use a numbering system to call my blitzes which allows me to be very flexible and come up with things on the sideline. Combined with different fronts we will show I have over 200 blitzes drawn up. I will usually take about 30 into a game, 20 that we consider our bread and butter and then 10 or so that take advantage of the offense or cover up our weaknesses.
If you have a small defensive line slant and loop them all of the time and have them get up field. Do not put them in a position to get latched on too. I love to slant them to the strong side and then bring multiple guys on the back side. If you have big guys slant and loop them all of the time and have them smash the line to the inside gap. This year I had a huge defensive line, 290 at nose and 270 and 250 at DT. I would slant them one way or the other and they would destrory the OL. Our DL had more pancakes this year than the OL.
Another thing you need to decide is what you are going to run for coverages. I like to run cover 0 or 1. However, we also run cover 3 and cover 3 clould (the spur and bandit take deep outside 1/3's and CBs take the flats, looks like cover 2). Like everything else they each have pro's and con's and you need to make it fit with your kids abilities. The first two years we were primarily cover 3, but last year it was almost all cover 1.
Coaching technique is the most important thing. There are some techniques in this defense that are a lot different than some of the things you may have been doing. You need coaches that can coach them. For the spur and bandit if they lack in just one area they will get exploited. This past season I lost my Spur and Bandit coach and my FS coach. I had to replace them with a guy that had never coached before (this is for varsity) and an offensive coach that moved over to defense. They struggles, the kids sruggled, and as a result our team struggled. In the end though that was my fault for not making sure that my coaches were ready to do the job.
I would agree with what someone said earlier, find another school that runs the system that you want and send your whole staff over. I have a number of playbooks and if you are a member of glaziers they have a ton of stuff on their website. I spent around six months working on my playbook and working with other coaches. There are a lot of things for you guys to go over in a short amount of time.
|4 years 30 weeks ago||Correct||
Having spent enough time in Wisconsin I can say that you are correct. However, you forgot one very important thing that they look for, they want guys who are just straight up nasty at the point of attack. I've seen them practice before and they get after it like no one I have ever seen before. You could be at the other side of the practice facility and hear those boys pads popping. This is the sort of thing that Hoke wants to get back too. Your last point is also very true, they recruit almost all of those lower rated guys at their summer camp, if they want an offer they know they have to go to that camp.
It's interesting that you mention their star ratings because the one five star that they have, Josh Oglesby has had a hard time getting playing time and keeping it. He is a physical freak, but having seen him play in high school and practice in college the one thing that he does not really have when paired next to his peers is that real deep down nasty streak. Hopefully, he can turn it around, because he is a great kid, but I don't see it happening.
|4 years 30 weeks ago||His first year as DC he ran||
His first year as DC he ran what he called the "Raven Package" where he pretty much combined the 3-4 and 4-3 under into one. The down linemen were in a strong 5, strong 1, and a weak three. He had Suggs in a weak 5 tech and he would play from either a two or three point stance depending on the situation. They also brought their Sam backer up to the line.
That is what he showed us prior to his first season and the next season he came back to the clinic and said that he ran a lot of it, with a lot of success. I think that after his first season he felt a lot more comfortable and put in more of his own 4-3 stuff. Either way the 3-4 and 4-3 under are very similar. With the number of LB's that we have been going after it's not out of the question that we could see some 3-4 type looks in the future.
|4 years 30 weeks ago||He was the best quarterback||
He was the best quarterback because they let him play with the first string offense against the at best second string defense. He was put in a situation where his rate of failure would have been low, which is what you should do with a young qb to build some confidence. To say that he was the best and is going to be awesome is not entirely fair given the context of the situation. If that is what you need to hitch your wagon to to get through these hard times by all means do so, but I would cool the jets on any talk about how good he was in what was really just a controlled scrimmage.
|4 years 31 weeks ago||1) A) Yes the QB will still||
1) A) Yes the QB will still be lining up in the shotgun. B) Clapping and stomping? Just how exactly do you expect to signal for the snap when the entire stadium is screaming at the top of their lungs? Out yell them, shit he won't have a voice left by halftime. C) Starring over like a deer in the headlights at the coach? You don't have to worry about that anymore, they will now be starring like a deer in the headlights at the defense, left to make their own choices. I'm not sure I like that trade off. D) We will still be running out of the gun so mistimed handoffs are still a possibility.
2) They're not listening to the stomp or clap, there are a hundred thousand people in the stadium. They are opperating pretty much the same as they would for a silent count. Which has nothing to do with inexperince and everything to do with coaching. Hell we teach our freshmen in high school to do it, and they're very good at it.
3) What exactly does experience get you? Personally I think that is one thing that people look into way to much. Is it important yes. If it was the deciding factor why are the RB's with the most experince looking up at a couple of guys with very little on the depth chart? Our WR have a lot of playing time under their belts I will give you that but, they have very little experience running these types of routes and combinations. Therefore most of their experience is moot because if they can't run the right routes in the right situations then they won't be playing.
4) I will give you this one for the most part, but realize that he will have a harder time running from undercenter than he did from 7 yards in the backfield. There is a reason that most of those world class athletes are playing back in the spread and not the pro offense.
5) Again, I agree for the most apart. It won't be doom and gloom but there will be growing pains and probably when we can least afford them. Overall, it really comes down to defense. I don't think we will lose because of the offense this year, but I really don't see them winning to many for us either, but that depends on how much Hoke kept in the bag during the spring game too.
|4 years 32 weeks ago||Agree||
Magnus, while I often disagree with what you say, you are 100% right. I cringe every time I have to type that word.
|4 years 32 weeks ago||Nope||
They can't be, they are a one back set. Which means no FB and three WR. According to what I have been reading that would make it a gimmick. However, the QB lines up under center most of the time, but they still run some gun. I really don't know if they run enough from under center to over come the three WR's on the field though. Someone should make an equation of how much FB you need on the field. Perhaps if you run it with two TE's that will make up for the lack of a FB. Also, I could be mistaken but I believe they run some zone blocking, which would be a strike against manball. Other than all of those issues I would say it's probably as close to manball as you can get.
|4 years 32 weeks ago||or||
or it could have to do with the fact that we might score on the first drive, punt the next three and the other team would be winning 28-7. At that point your game plan is pretty much shot to shit and when you're a running football team a 21 point deficit is hard to overcome with that first year QB.
|4 years 32 weeks ago||You are correct other teams||
You are correct other teams figured it out to a degree. I was thinking more about the fans who say it is a gimmick, they are the ones that don't understand what is going on. While our offense did slow down you can't really blame it all on them. It is hard to make adjustments when you are only on the sideline for three plays and the other team scores a TD. (Plus sometimes I think we were just to bullheaded to change) There was also a lot of pressure on them to score 50 every game and I think that sometimes that pushed the young guys to try and do to much. Figure in crappy field position all the time because of giving up TD and then only getting to the 20 on an even worse KR. Those things are hard to overcome when you are playing against a team that is talented and well coached. But, yes all college coaches have figured out how to stop (or at least slow them down) the spread, except maybe Ron English. Not all of them have the talent to do it though.
|4 years 32 weeks ago||Gimmick offense||
"It's not about a gimmick offense that tries to put players in wide open spaces. "
I'm sorry but that makes zero sense to me. I hope our offense puts lots of people in open space. What would the alternative be? Hoping our wide recievers are always covered and our running backs have no holes to run through. Yeah, that sounds much better.
Also, it is not a gimmick, just becasue most people don't understand it does not make it a gimmick. It might not be" smash mouth" in your face football, but it involves out smarting the defense not just running them over everyone still has to block. You say you want to beat a guy one on one, well hell if you do that on offense that means that there is one guy left unblocked to take on the ball carrier. That is why good offenses almost always have at least one guy that requires the defense to commit an extra defender to them. Guys like Denard and Braylon who required an extra guy to help, that opens up someone else. That leaves someone else in wide open space which is why we had guys wide open last year because to steal a saying I learned from Mattison when I was younger we "changed the math" to take away one of their guys. Can you do that with a prostyle offense? Yes, but it requires elite players at the skill positions and outside of Denard we don't have those guys.
What happens to teams like Wisconsin when they can't run the ball and impose their will? When teams can line up against them and go one on one or change the math in favor of the defense? They tend to lose those games (I am from WI and have seen it many, many times)That is why manball is not always a good idea and why we really won't run it as much as people think. Or just go out there and play linebacker and let Odoms crack block you, then come back and tell me that isn't whatever the hell manball is.
|4 years 32 weeks ago||Bad technique can be fixed,||
Bad technique can be fixed, but it takes a lot longer than 15 days of practice. He played with bad technique for four years in high school and then two years of poor coaching his first two years of college. That's six years of doing something poorly. It would be like asking you to do everything with the opposite side of your body (writing, throwing, catching, kicking). Oh, and you only get to two hours a day for 15 days to work on it. Think about how hard it would be to basically change the entire way that you do everything. (That is where he is at with his technique, the only thing he does well is be big. He plays to high, no real hand play or placement, and doesn't move his feet) Could you do it? Absolutely. With the good coaching now and all of the attention being thrown his way he could improve enough to be a average starter this year. If people think he will live up to his five-star ranking this year they are going to be disappointed. Can he still live up to it? Yes, but it is going to take a lot of work.
|4 years 32 weeks ago||Agree||
It's not so much that the running back gets trucked behind the line, as it is that they dance behind the line. You can't always hold it against them if there is no where to go.
I am really looking forward to reading all of your analysis, but is there a way of looking to see if a guy gets tackled for a loss because the line failed him vs. a guy who is indecisive behind the line who gets tackled for a loss? I think that would tell a lot about how good they are at making the correct choices, which is very important when your running behind a zone scheme that requires a cut and go. Looking at the small amount of ino you just gave that could be a glimpse into why Cox has not seen the field. I know that would be a lot of work, but I think it would go even deeper into your analysis.
|4 years 35 weeks ago||A) I would say running for||
A) I would say running for 56 yards against a team that gave up over 450 on the ground is pretty damn close to being a JV team. Plus you take out the 35 yard run and his average is down to 4.2 which is less than Smith's was last year. It's not like he was pumping out 9 yards everytime, he had one good run.
B) How in the hell is Smith supposed to turn out 100 yard games when he is spliting carries with other RB's and Denard? If he had the same number of carries as Denard he would have ran for around 1200 yards, which is not to bad. Plus, lets remember that the kid was less than one year removed from major knee surgery. If you take last years average and give him Denards number of carries he would have had around 1500 yards, which again is pretty damn good. Sense you like to pull mathematical equations out of thin air I will too. Lets say that Smith stays healthy and shows just some growth and improvement lets say half a yard per carry. Again with Denards number of carries that would have put him up over 1600 yards which would have put him around 7th in the nation. No I totally see what you are saying this guy needs to go we got a guy who broke a tackle against a MAC team riding pine who with the exception of one carry is averaging 4.2 YPC. Also, who cares if he breaks off long runs, Mike Hart wasn't some sort of speed demon either and he did alright. If anything that just shows how he is consistent, there are no long 35 yard runs in his average to make them look better than they really are.
C) Are you really going to use the defense that he looked good against our first team defense? Really? Did you watch the bowl game? The same defense that made a subpar Penn State team with a walk-on QB, an average at best RB, and if I remember correctly a beat to shit O-line look like the best in the country. We let Royster run for 150 yards against us, the same guy who ran for 32 against Alabama and failed to crack 50 in four other games and who averaged less than 4 yards per attempt in six games. That defense? Well by that logic Royster was an All-American, because he looked good against the Michigan starting defense, to hell with what happened agaisnt teams with a pulse. Cam played really well in the spring last year and made some stupid spring All-American teams as a FS, so if we go by spring he should have been a stud. How did that turn out? O yeah spring practice does not matter, maybe Ohio State will spot us TD's next year for all the spring game TD's we score on our first team defense.
D) The Denard didn't know the whole playbook and played does not hold any water with me at all. He completed 42% of his passes and averaged just over 5 yards a carry. Can you imagine how bad we would have been if Denard would have had to start as a freshman. The plays that he did know how to run he was shaky at best at running and he made the offense one dimensional. There is also a big difference in bringing in QB to run a package vs a RB. Bringing in Denard added a whole new element to what the defense had to prepare for. Bringing in Cox provides what type of wrinkle? Only knowing how to run three plays that are already part of the offense vs bringing in a QB who runs a different set of plays and brings a whole new skill set. Also, it was Denards first year and it was Cox's third year, not exactly an even playing field.
This is big time college football if you cannot learn the playbook you should not play, period. What kind of message does it send to the rest of the team if he is not held accountable to learn the playbook, but the rest of them are? What if Roh decides that he does not want to play run defense anymore and just wants to rush the passer? You can try getting by with letting some guys only do part of the work and it may win you a game or two but that is about it because when you are building a team and want them to compete it is not fair that one guy does not have to pull his weight. That will destroy a team, because before you know it everyone is only going to want to learn what they want. If thats how you want to build a program I wish you nothing but the best of luck, because you are going to need it.
|4 years 35 weeks ago||Sounds Familiar||
I think I've had this conversation with a parent after a JV game. "Little Jonny just ran for 200 yards. How many yards did the starting RB run for last Friday? " My response "I don't know" Their response "Only 100 and zero TD!" My response "We won by 20." Their response "If you want to make it to state we are going to need more production than that and I know that Jonny can do better." My response "I'll look into it." What I was thinking in my head "How the fuck did this person get my phone number."
To me this is what you sound like and as someone who is a coach you should know better than to play the card of he does well against the backups and shit teams. If a parent came to you with these arguements what would you say?
Also, as far as only running the plays that he knows, are you serious? The other team gets paid to watch film too. As a defensive coordinator I LOVE it what when teams do that, makes my job and my guys jobs so much easier. "Oh Cox is in the game and he can't pass block for shit and they only run him inside. What should I do?" That shit might fly for some crappy high school league, but in the Big Ten I don't think so.
I'm not saying he is not talented and he may very well be a stud this season, but your arguement is just shocking to me.
|4 years 37 weeks ago||Baltimore's "Raven Package"||
Baltimore's "Raven Package" that they use against teams like the Steelers is really just a 4-3 under. The only difference is that Suggs stands up at the weakside defensive end. I remember hearing Greg talk about it a few years ago at a clinic and he said they ran it a lot.
|4 years 38 weeks ago||You are right they are not||
You are right they are not focusing on the right things. Most young players just watch the game and the ball. To watch it correctly they need to look at their keys and look for indicators within the offense. Such as the offensive line to see if they point the direction they are going (they can do this a number of different ways) and give away the type of play.
Also, if our LB's were reading footwork of the offensive line I cannot tell you how dumb that is. They should have been reading backfield flow.
|4 years 40 weeks ago||Greg Mattison has stacks of||
Greg Mattison has stacks of playbooks. If there is on thing coaches don't like to do is throw things away. He has all of his old stuff from his days at Michigan all the way up through his last year in the NFL. Add in Hoke's old playbooks and you have some pretty hefty resources. These guys will watch film of our guys and see what they can do and disign a scheme around them and where they want the program to head. It doesn't take as long to do this as one might think with the technology that is out there, a group of college coaches should be able to toss a base defense together in a couple of days once they have decided on a scheme. After that though they may want to work with the players during the spring to decide what other fronts they can run. Offense is pretty much the same process once you know what direction you are going.
I also find it interesting that they are watching film on the Ravens and makes me wonder what they will be running for a scheme. There base is a 3-4, but their Raven package is very similar to what Brian has on the front page as the 4-3 under, except the weakside end is Suggs and he plays in both a two and three point stance. I also know that they ran it a lot against power running team.
|4 years 40 weeks ago||I agree that when a team||
I agree that when a team brings in three wide you would sub out the slower safeties, but there are other factors that need to be considered, such as when a team can put a speedy running back into the slot, when you play against those tweener TE's that can split out wide and then put the wideout into the slot, or how do you defend a twins set with a TE on the back side? There are a number of correct answers to each of those questiongs, as long as you have the players to run the one you select and the coaches that know how to teach it.
Let me give you an example using some of the guys that we have on offense. We have the five linemen and Denard, lets say the other five guys are Hopkins, Hayes, Koger, Roundtree, and Hemingway. There are a number of different lineup possiblities with those guys, we could go with a regular pro set with Hopkins playing FB, Hayes could split out into the slot on either side, each of which presents different problems, or Koger and Hayes could move out into the slots leaving Hopkins and Denard in the backfield, Hemingway being a big man could also line up as a H-back/Wing leaving just Roy to be split out. With that group there are a number of possibilities and the defensive is then kept on their heels. Add motions and shifting to that and you just added another element to confuse the defense.
I'm not saying I know which coverage would be the best for us or that one is better than the other, but there is a little more to it than when they have X player in the game we have to put in Y. Remember the other team pays their coaches to look at this stuff too.
I hope you don't feel as though I am calling you out or saying you are wrong. I simply aim to add as much knowledge as a I can to this blog and help give people an a little understanding of the thought process a coach has to go through.
|4 years 40 weeks ago||Yes, it will be one of many||
Yes, it will be one of many coverages.
A lot of this depends on where Woolfolk play and Mattison likes to mix up his coverages. Running cover 2 on the boundary side and cover 4 on the field side which is kind of what you described and is called cover 6. I would expect to see more of that type of coverage than anything because I know he really liked running them with the Ravens.
As far as the tackling of our corners, really? All but one of them was a freshmen and we never practiced tackling, which is kind of a big deal when you are talking about coming straight from high school and playing big ten football. If you want to reduce their chances of making a tackle then you might as well take the LB's and safeties out too because no one on last years team could tackle. How about we give them at least a spring with good coaching before we say what these guys are capable of.
Also, if our safeties aren't fast enough to play a deep 1/2 how are they going to cover a slot in man?
|4 years 40 weeks ago||So the MLB should be so||
So the MLB should be so massive that he cannot have coverage responsibilities, but you want him to be able to run down the likes of McNabb? Good luck.
First, lets assume that we are going to be running cover 2, which is a very likely. By taking your MLB out of coverage that leaves the middle of the field wide open. Which I think most would agree is not a good idea, considering that bad idea turned into the tampa two, which drops the MLB even deeper into the hole. In this case you have to get guys who can run and stuff the middle. Think of guys Brian Urlacher, Derek Brooks, and some guy named Ray Lewis who one of our coaches may or may not have coached.
If we play mostly man he would maybe do alright until we start blitzing and they start throwing to the guys out of the backfield.
I hate to break it to you but there is only two places in today's game for a MLB who is massive and cannot perform pass coverage and they are bench and DE (Brandon Graham).
|4 years 41 weeks ago||So what you are saying is||
So what you are saying is that Rich Rod should have done on offense what he made the defense do? Which would be to run a scheme they have no idea how to run. Well it worked for the defense so why not right?
Also, What other teams have tried to run the 3-3 as a base defense in this conference?
|4 years 41 weeks ago||I'm not trying to say one is||
I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, but I take issue with the idea that the 3-3 is not capable of stopping the power running gaming. Given an option I am right there with you saying that we need this change because we don't have the guys to run a 3-3 either in my opinion. If you're going to run a 3-3 in the big ten it needs to be with bigger guys. You are right I am a coach and I run the 3-3 and I used to run Shafer's 4-3. I can tell you right now we do not run little guys out there, that is one misconception on the 3-3, you do not have to run this defense with little players. I can tell you right now that on the line there will not be a starter weighing less than 250, all of the lb's will be 210'ish and the box safties will be around 190. This will be at a high school that plays only one spread team in the regular season and we will shut down the run.
As far as Mattison saying that his defense will fly around you are right, I just hope he implements his rules that he had with the Ravens. Rule one is: stop the run - to don't even try to run the ball against the Michigan Wolverines. I love the way that sounds. I also think he will have us running one of the best defenses in the country within a couple of years.
I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, I just really pisses me off when people say that you can't stop power football with the 3-3, because you can when you do it right and we have not been doing it right.
|4 years 41 weeks ago||The 3-3 is a one gap defense,||
The 3-3 is a one gap defense, the only time it is not is when you have a two gap nose tackle and when you have a two gap nose your mike is free to fly around and everyone else is still one gap responsible with the ends taking the c's and the sam and will taking the b's while the spur and bandit are responsible for the d's. I'm not sure our coaches got that memo though or the one on how to line up.
Also, there are a lot more responsibilities for a defensive lineman besides not getting hooked, the number one being not getting blown off the ball. That lineman also has to close the gap to his inside forcing the ball to bounce to him so he can make the play. Just from watching the games live it seems like the responsibilities were backwards, because the ends were hooked a lot and the OLB's seemed to go outside all the time.
I share your worry about the ends getting hooked, but I think it had more to do with the coaching staff than with the players themselves. If they are that bad you are right we will need to slant them and would be better off in a three man front.
|4 years 41 weeks ago||How does it make you more gap||
How does it make you more gap sound? Just because you are bigger does not mean you are going to become gap sound all of a sudden. Second, how in the world does running a 4-3 make us better at adjusting to the new gaps that are created by a lead blocker? If anything it makes us weaker. In the 3-3 stack (run correctly) you have six guys in the tackle box vs. five offensive lineman, that extra guys job is to take out the lead blocker. Add into account that your nose gets doubled and you get another guy free to take out the ball carrier. The problems with the defense last year had nothing to do with scheme and everything to do with who was running/teaching it. The 3-3 defense is designed to stop the run that is why there are eight guys in the box. I will agree with you on one thing though having meet Greg Mattison on a couple of different occasions he is one hell of a teacher and one hell of a person and he will take us in the right direction.
|4 years 43 weeks ago||Breaking Tackles||
Another side effect of not tackling in practice is that your running backs and recievers don't learn how to finish off runs and hold on to the ball. It's hard when Sun through Fri. you don't get full contact and then Sat. rolls around and you get smacked in the mouth by OSU and you don't know what to do. Thats why guys that the coaches say don't fumble in practice are fumbling in the game. Of course he didn't fumble in practice you were playing two hand touch.
|4 years 43 weeks ago||I agree but,||
Magnus you are right heads needed to roll, but the wrong head rolled. Shafer is a very good coach, just look at what he has done since he left, the rest of the defensive staff are the ones that should have been fired. If that would have happened and he was allowed to bring in his own staff things would have been very different.
I must also admit that I am a little bias towards Shafer, because I learned his defense from one of his disciples and have ran it with some very positive results. Also, Shafer wasn't really "fired" he wanted to get the hell out of there and it was more mutual than anything.
|4 years 44 weeks ago||3-4||
With the number of linebackers and the size of these guys it looks like we may be running a 3-4 in the near future.