no, YOU'RE off topic
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Nebraska will never settle for less than||
competing regularly for Conference and National titles. Why should we? 9 win seasons are OK, and expected. Our history says so. It's basically the bare minimum.
I'm glad that our AD has had the balls TWICE recently to reject anything less. UM won't, and shouldn't either, right? That's how you sustain being winingest all time, etc.....not accepting only "good" seasons.
|9 weeks 4 hours ago||Coach Pelini ranks #8 among active coaches for wins||
but AD Eichorst says what mattered was performance against best teams, and he had enough time to get the job done
|9 weeks 5 hours ago||I don't think Craig Bohl would be considered||
he was run out of town as DC under coach Solich's regime.
|9 weeks 5 hours ago||The difference:||
No championships....that's what did him in.
And despite what a few posters here say, regularly winning championships is a very realistic expectation at Nebraska. Coach Pelini had 7 years, that's pretty fair I think. He came close a few times but the ball didn't bounce his way.
Very interesting that some here would like him considered at UM. Personally, I think he's better suited for the pro game at some level.
|9 weeks 5 hours ago||As a Nebraska fan||
I'm grateful to coach Pelini for pulling us up from the coach Callahan debacle. He took us to 3 conference championship games and only a few other coaches won at least 9 games every year like he did in his seven years. He ran a clean program, high grad rate, minimal off-field issues, his players liked him and never quit on him (see this week's Iowa game).
Bottem line, despite all that, no championships over a certain amount of time doesn't cut it at Nebraska, or at Michigan, and never will. It's not easy, though, finding a coach who can meet our expectations and standard, as we've both seen. This will be our 4th attempt and your 3rd.
Good luck on your search and next season, Go Big Red!
|13 weeks 4 days ago||Why do you say they're the||
Why do you say they're the best?
never did figure out how this whole all SEC is the best started...not denying it, just never heard all the details?
Most NC game teams....yes.....best across the board????
|16 weeks 3 days ago||To be fair and put into perspective,||
Bo didn't bring this topic up or start complaining about itafter the game. His comments were in response to a question raised specifically about the hand clapping, apparently one of the press noticed the MSU defense clapping and asked Bo about it.
That being said, nobody on the Nebraska side thinks the game was won or lost on this. Sparty was the better team that night.
|20 weeks 5 days ago||As a rival fan||
I've always considered myself a guest here and try to mind my manners. Really, the main reason I visit and comment is that I respect the Michigan program and find the level of discourse on this board much more worthwhile than most "fan" boards.
I try to give a little non-UM perspective that is hopefully interesting and different, somehow I've managed to accumulated 1000 points, so I guess I've done OK. I've always (well, most always) been treated with courtesy by Michigan fans here.
Sorry to see we don't play you regularly anymore, maybe that will change with next B1G reshuffle.
Good luck with your season, and keep some perspective on wins, losses, coaches, etc.......it's early in the season and CFB teams can change a lot as the season goes on.
Go Big Red!
|25 weeks 1 day ago||Good sportsmanship displayed by you guys||
I expected no less.
We haven't even gone to full pads yet.......2 guys in 48 hours plus a suspension.....Shhhheeeeesh.
|26 weeks 1 day ago||Though some NU fans don't like him,||
all his players really love and respect Bo, as far as everything I've ever read or heard.
Now if we could just break that 9-10 win season streak.....Go Big Red!
Kinda funny how Pelini is becoming an object of minor mgoblog fascination. Guess it shows a certain level of acceptance of Nebraska being in the B1G.
|28 weeks 4 days ago||Good to see||
we've reached a point in the B1G where we're teased and mocked by Michigan fans. Well, it was a quality mock so that's something.
|29 weeks 2 days ago||And the most "memorably" named bowls||
who can ever forget the Poulan Weed-Eater Bowl, Beef ‘O’ Brady’s Bowl, GoDaddy.com Bowl, or Little Caesars Pizza Bowl?
I always liked the Fight Hunger Bowl though.
|29 weeks 4 days ago||Brutal day, but very entertaining||
Sorry Froome went down, and who'd have thought the Shark would thrive on the cobbles? Team Astana rode a fantastic race, it really shows you how important the team aspect of the race is in the TDF.
|29 weeks 5 days ago||tomorrow's stage 5 on the cobblestones||
should be the most entertaining stage until the mountains begin in stage 10. Terpstra and Cancellera should be the favorites. Nobody will win the tour tomorrow, but one of the favorites could lose it. Sorta like watching a NASCAR race, the interest is in who might crash. Seriously, this stage is a severe test of strength and bike handling skills.
|30 weeks 2 days ago||The article's point is, the East is the eyeball/media division||
and its good teams and traditional powers will get the most consistent attention, good season or bad.
Let's face it, the new B1G is now an eastern/east coast oriented conference in many ways. The majority of schools are in the Eastern time zone. The eastern division is by far the most populated. All the major media is there. Men's BB tourney moved there. The B1G's even set up shop there. I don't see any of this as temporary. And with the new scheduling, the 2 divisions are almost like separate conferences in football. The West....meh, unless Nebraska or Wisconsin have a good season.
On another point, I think many of you are too harsh about MSU and their place as part of the strength of the East. Their WP is 25th all-time among all D1 programs. Their WP since joining the B1G is 32nd among all D1. They've won more games than Florida St or Miami. That's pretty consistent.
Happy 4th to all!
|31 weeks 2 days ago||Great comments,||
you're spot on and perfectly covered every aspect of this tired argument.
These sort of threads and discussion are what separates Mgoblog from most other fansites and keeps me, a rival fan, visiting regularly.
|37 weeks 3 days ago||Bundling, Unbundling.....changes nothing||
The "good stuff" is expensive to produce if its original content, or expensive to present if it's popular big time sports. And they know people will pay top prices for it.
Sports fans are getting a fairly good deal with the status quo, as most cable systems make non- fans subsidize sports programming, aka the Rutgers and Maryland business case.
Game of Thrones/Sopranos type content will never be cheap, whether you buy it by the episode or bundle it into a package, because its quality programming that everyone wants to see and can demand a premium price.
So pick your poison. Pay a lot for a packakge or pay a lot per show. Either way, you'll pay. Or you can save money and get Iron Chef and white trash reality shows real cheap.
You can also bundle/unbundle a restaurant meal - pay for a dinner that includes sides, buy ala carte, or prix fixe. But a good meal will cost you a lot anyway you buy it.
|40 weeks 4 days ago||Ah yes, the eternal "Is 9-4 acceptable at our program?" question||
Well, 9-4 every year won't win many conference titles and no NC's, but it's a 69% winning record. Michigan is 73% all-time and Nebraska is 70%, so its hard to say its unacceptable or even below the standard.
This is discussed all the time on Nebraska boards, with fans pretty split. Guess it depends on how much you value consistency over titles. We Husker fans certainly feel like a few titles are overdue, but we've seen droughts in the past and have been in several conferance championship games in our "down" period.
Personally, I'll take 9-4 every year as the standard and titles when we get them without falling on my sword....as long as its not too long in between. GBR!
|42 weeks 23 hours ago||Bo Pelini came out of the tunnel walk||
with Bo Pelini's Cat
|45 weeks 6 days ago||Weird factoid...strange days||
0 teams from Illinois or Indiana, 2 teams from Nebraska…….wouldn’t have ever predicted that!!
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Well, we're kinda more of a||
football school you see
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Nebrasketball||
has never won a NCCA tourney game. Ever.
Yes, a tourney bid would be a big deal.
|46 weeks 6 days ago||Thanks for the shout out...I'm here for||
No Sit Sunday
|47 weeks 2 days ago||As a Nebraska fan, I'm fine with it||
What do we have, the 3rd best record in conference play since joining? And playing the hardest schedule, plus transitioning to a new conference.
Played for a B1G title once, contended for the division all three years, have scoreboard or split against eveyone except Wisconsin. And played for and barely lost 2 conference titles before joining the B1G.
Would we prefer 11, 12, 13 win seasons, BCS bowls and national championships? Sure. But only a handfull of other programs in all of CFB have strung together at least 9 wins as long as Bo has. When 9 win seasons are your program's "down" period, that's how you end up as one of the all-time winningest programs.
All after our own disasterous RichRod period with Bill Callahan. It's not easy finding another Tom Osborne or Bo Schembechler. Therein lies the problem - one UM fans have struggled with as well since the Bo S era.
I know there is a split in both the Husker and Wolverine fanbase over whether this is "good enough" and "up to XXXX's standards", but I'm cool with it.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||I think most of us Husker fans are expecting a loss in AA||
Both teams are pretty evenly matched, you are very tough at home, and as I mentioned on another thread, half our starting offense is out with injuries, including Martinez, all-American lineman Spencer Long, and all-B1G receiver Kenny Bell.
Our D is talented but very young, so inconsistent. Getting better. One thing they've done well is get turnovers, so we're looking to get some more against DG.
Though you deserve to be favored, Nebraska has a lot to play for. For some reason we've had State's number and we play them at home. So a sweep of the Michigans would likely mean the Legends title for us.
Funny how similar the negativity, "can't settle for mediocrity" and "fire the coach" thinking on this blog mirrors Nebraska forums. I happen to think it's overblown as far as Pelini.
Anyway, may the best team win, next time we meet might be in a B1G title game.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||Huskers have 6 1st string Offense players out with injuries,||
including Taylor Martinez and all-American lineman Spencer Long and all-B1G receiver Kenny Bell. Taylor has injuries to foot, shoulder, and hip and has been playing hurt since the opener, so we've using our 2nd and 3rd string QB's most of the season. No excuses, that's football, but all in all, 6-2's not bad.
Our D is very talented but very young, so inconsistent. Getting better. One thing they've done well is get turnovers, so hopefully that continues against DG.
Yes, most Nebraska fans expect a loss in AA ( and did in preseason even when handicapping at full strength), but the team is still playing to win the division and Michigan we know won't lay down because they're Michigan. Should be an exciting game, wish I could attend.
Also, appreciate the sportsmanship on this thread about Martinez being out, I expected no less from Michigan fans.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||As a rival fan, I can only say||
he was fantastic and fun to watch. Wow!
We'll have to shut him down somehow on 11/9
|1 year 14 weeks ago||You nailed it||
but I also presume to think UM fans hearts are with the D as well.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Bring it on,||
always fun competing against you guys.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Michigan fans: heed this cautionary tale:||
To this Nebraska fan, most comments and attitudes here are eerily similar to some of our own equally proud and demanding fan base.
And I suggest you calm down, step away from your blue kool-aide and look at things differently.
Huskers fans are in a froth over a coaching staff that took over a storied program that was run into the ditch, and since then in 5 seasons has played in 3 conference title games, been one of only a handful to win at least 9 games, and played in a bowl each year. But some doubt the staff and want firings over occasional tough loses, lack of conference titles, etc., and yearn for the days of their beloved program-defining coach because "it's not up to ______ standards"
|1 year 19 weeks ago||I just meant Lloyd seems unappreciated by many UM fans||
considering he won so many games. And seemed like many were glad to see him go. Always found that puzzling. Maybe I'm wrong about that though.
If Bo can produce the same body of work during his career that Lloyd did - including winning the right way like Lloyd - I'd be one very happy Cornhusker fan.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||That goes without saying||
So far I guess Pelini is NU's Lloyd Carr.
Actually, I never understood why the attitude of many UM fans about him, but it's your program and team so that's your business not my place to have an opinion.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||NU officials ready to put this behind them||
And turns out Tom Osborne knew about the tape over a year ago and discussed with Bo.
"We are prepared to put the matter to rest," University of Nebraska-Lincoln Chancellor Harvey Perlman and NU athletic director Shawn Eichorst said in a joint statement released Wednesday. Coach Pelini has given us his assurance that he understands the seriousness and inappropriateness of his comments. We believe he is sincere in his apology and in his regret."
And now, back to football.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||Bo has moved 58 spots from #68 to #10 at Coaches Hot Seat||
He has a .708 winning percentage at Nebraska.
Mack Brown is #1 on the Hot Seat and also #1 in WP with .770.
I guess I can understand coaches making comments like that in private, or at least thinking them.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||To put his comments in context:||
He said this during an off-air moment when the discussion turned to fans leaving the 2011 OSU game at halftime with the Huskers down 20-6.
Some will be offended. Personally, I thought the same thing about those fans, and I'll bet everyone on this board would say the same about Michigan fans leaving at halftime when trailing an important game. But then we're not the head coach.
And it certainly provides some ammo if NU ever decides to part ways with Bo: Chancellor Harvey Perlman said, "Basically I'm very disappointed and we're considering what to do and what the impact is on our program."
|1 year 19 weeks ago||Who, really, in the B1G hasn't had their problems lately?||
Wisconsin - Best B1G success last 3 years, but always blows Rose Bowl, won nothing before
OSU - last conference title in 2009, but leads B1G in cheating
Michigan - Backed into BCS bowl in 2011, but last title of any kind in 2004, and The Horror
PSU - last conference title in 2008, but then the unmentionable
Nebraska - 3 division titles last 4 years, but no conference title since 1999, and UCLA type games
Yes, some Nebraska fans and players are on the ledge. Some of you guys were on the ledge until you avoided The Horror II and put Akron away. Texas fans want to fire their AD and HC a week after firing their DC.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||He has Michigan and Nebraska losing to each other||
in both their best case scenarios. Brilliant analysis.
Should be an entertaining Division battle, you can make a case for NW and MSU as well. All 4 teams are a bit flawed.
You guys finally have a harder conference schedule, but you get us at home. NW has too tough a schedule for me to pick them. MSU has an easy schedule but I don't think they're good enough to beat everyone else out.
I think it'll go down to rivals week to decide the Legends winner.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||What he is, is one hell of a college QB||
that won't necessarily be a fit for the pro game, despite his many talents. Different game. Lots of other examples, Tebow, Crouch come to mind.
That said, hope he finds the right position with the right team, sometimes that's what it takes even for the more traditional skillset players. He was fun to watch and I'd like to see some more.
|1 year 31 weeks ago||No suspensions-Ernest Suttles & Thomas Brown kicked off the team||
by Bo Pelini.
Brown is a strongside linebacker redshirt freshman who didn't play due to injury and Suttles is a DE who played as a true freshman.
Pelini said they won't be allowed back with the team. This is very consistent with how he's handled this sort of thing. And there haven't been many incidents during his 5 years.
Good catch by Drkboarder, I upvoted you for hearing about it before I did.
|1 year 31 weeks ago||Nebraska hasn't been in this much trouble since||
they were caught providing books for student-athletes
|1 year 33 weeks ago||Illinois||
considering the instate talent, resources at their disposal, and quality academics, how can they be so bad to mediocre so often?
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Great post, shows why I enjoy visiting this board as a rival fan||
I get info I didn't know about my own team, or about college football, or something non- sport related that's worth knowing.
Definitely, that was a different era. The game has changed so much. Everybody's on TV, more money, higher stakes, new style of play with different athletes, etc. But in a way it further proves my point: Nebraska figures out a way, and doesn't stay with what worked 40 years ago.
We'll have our new challenges, but we've been excellent too long, and CFB is too highly regarded in Nebraska, to stop us from dealing with the issues as they come up.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||We always did well in TX all the way from Big Eight to XII days||
But one state's never been the key.
Don't know if I'd say we lost our footing in Texas. It's natural that we'd dip a bit there now and pick up in B1G territory. Last three years we've had 11 from Texas and 15 from the B1G. But in 2006, a year we played for the XII Title, we had 1 TX recruit. Like I said, certain states and regions ebb and flow, but that's part of the deal when you cast your net so wide.
I do think, as others have posted, that the trend towards early signing is Nebraska's latest recruiting challenge. But we've always managed to deal with our disadvantages. Still lots of really good players that want to play here.
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Nebraska's a bit of an oddity when it comes to recruiting||
We've historically overperformed on the field compared to our recruiting ranking, even in our monster decade of the 90's. Typically, we've been between 15th and 25th. Pelini is averaging 24th.
See this link for details on the above:
Nebraska has always recruited nationally, since we don't have a home base to draw from. The focus has varied, whether it be California, New Jersey, Texas, etc. Now we're drawing more heavily from the B1G states.
Bottom line, despite recruiting handicaps vs Michigan and OSU, Nebraska always has competed quite well--look at the W/L since the sixties, or break it down by decade - and there's no reason to think that will change.
|1 year 36 weeks ago||We've been pretty consistent since 1987, averaging 18th||
Osborne: 18 (excluding 4 NC game bump)
During Osborne run of 60-3 when we played in 4 NC games, he recruited averaging 11th. Maybe a difference of one 4 star or two 3 stars since then by his successors?
Link to everything you ever wanted to know about Nebraska recruiting history:
|1 year 36 weeks ago||Good points||
as has been commented on before, Nebraska recruiting is a bit of an anomaly as far as CFB kings. Nebraska always has filled their classes late, and typically is more of a top 20 class than a top 5 or 10 class yet we've won more games and have the best winning percentage of any program over the last 50 years.
I think Pelini is doing fine as a recruiter, though. Pretty much par for the course at Nebraska, even if it doesn't live up to Michigan standards.
Since divisions are key now, interesting to note that in the new East-West setup, and taking the last 10 years which has been Nebraska's worse decade of football, NU’s recruiting rankings dominate the rest of the Big Ten West;
Average Rivals recruiting rankings for the last 11 classes, 2003-2013:
I know Michigan fans place a lot of stock in recruiting rankings and expect it to ensure division, conference, and national titles. Based on that, expect to play us in a lot of B1G title games.
BTW, personally I don't take recruiting ranking quite as seriously as some, on the other hand if I was a Michigan fan it would be hard not to be optimistic and I wouldn't mind Nebraska having those recruits.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||How do you guys rate the top division team's schedules?||
Here's mine, from hardest to easiest:
Michigan: OSU, NWU, MSU on road, MN and NWU crossdivision
Nebraska: WI, NWU, MSU on road, MSU and Rutgers crossdivision
OSU: PSU, MSU on road, IL and MN crossdivision
Wisconsin: NWU on road, MD and Rutgers crossdivision
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Poor Minnesota||
Minnesota draws Michigan and Ohio State on top of divisional games @ Nebraska and @ Wisconsin.
|1 year 37 weeks ago||Pelini has not tolerated bad behavior off the field,||
and the team has pretty much been incident free under him. So how this is handled could get interesting. Bo has cut a few players loose over this sort of thing.
The arrest happened the day after the transfer was announced....talk about great timing.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Schedule and team strength favor Michigan and Nebraska||
Nebraska has the easier schedule overall (we finally get to play Purdue and Illinois), but Michigan gets the Huskers at home.
You guys will be favored to beat us head-to-head, Nebraska will have an easier time winning out the rest of our B1G games.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Good catch||
our second recruit......we're building a powerhouse!
Don't know what to tell you. Michigan has fantastic recruiting in-state, in-region, and certainly more than holds their own nationally. And your record, whether all-time or more modern times, speaks for itself.
Nebraska has always been more top 25ish as far as recruiting and yet been one of the elite programs when it comes to winning and championships, especially in the modern era.
Both programs are clean, at least as clean as a big time winning program can be. Winning a lot and winning clean....something to be proud of.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||I don't know, WolvinLA2,||
yes you have OSU but that's what your guys wanted. The rest of the East is no big deal. PSU will be severely weakened for a long time due to sanctions and MGoBlogers seem to think Michigan St is a flash in the pan. I think the West has more good teams.
Time will tell, in the meantime we're both still in the Legends and it should be a great competition to win the division this year. And you owe me a sixpack from last season.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Nebraska fan here||
The article is pretty accurate.
Nebraska has historically closed late in the recruiting cycle, not just during Pellini. And contrary to many comments on this thread, the Huskers have seldom had Top 10 recruiting classes.
We have little in-state or nearby (drivable distance) talent to recruit, and its expensive for recruits to fly into Lincoln on their own dime. This has been the case ever since the Devaney era. So Nebraska's always had to recruit nationally even with factors that make it difficult.
And yet we've managed to do fairly well the last 50 years. Even in our worst decade, compare us to Michigan or Ohio St. And our first 2 years in the B!G---with by far the hardest schedule in the conference--we've competed until the last week for the division and won it the 2nd year.
We'll be fine.
|1 year 45 weeks ago||Nebraska fan here with a few thoughts,||
first one being how ironic that after only 2 years in the league, we'd end up in the most "old school" division of the B1G, with 6 of the conference's 7 oldest members, while the East will have 5 of the 6 newest members (if you consider OSU's 1912 entry as "new").
Second, I'll personally miss having Michigan as our main competitive rival within the division. Wisconsin has done quite well lately--better than NU or UM the last 10 years--but it's a lot more fun competing against a program that measures its success over a century. I think most Nebraska fans feel the same. But we're really not attached to any particular B1G team and good for Michigan getting The Game back the way you want it.
Third, give me another red team to play against, this will be our first year we get to play Indiana, would hate to see that taken away after only 1 game. This year's schedule with them and Illinois will definitely help our chances of repeating in the Legends.
As far as overall divisional strength, I side with those that say go with geography and let the power balance ebb and flow over time.
Look forward to competing with you guys this year and I always enjoy the posting and content on mgoblog, there's always something worth reading including lots of non-sports topics.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Legends will be a 2 horse race between the Wolverines & Huskers||
Quick take on Nebraska next year:
PROs--schedule much easier dropping OSU-WI for Illinois-Purdue, Senior 4 year QB, most of Offense's playmakers returning, Defense with more potential (but inexperienced) playmakers
CONS--losing many Defense starters (maybe a PRO as well :D), schedule has road game vs Michigan
Oh and this is a good time to say how much I enjoyed watching Denard play. Think you guys will be fine with Gardner or backups, RB not so sure.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Are any B1G teams psyched about their bowl this year?|
|2 years 6 weeks ago||I don't know about PSU||
we (Nebraska) don't have any particular history with them, only played them 15 times, don't border them, and aren't even divisional rivals.
Much more likely we'd form a rivalry within a team we play every year within in the division to win the Legends or whatever it ends up being. That's what formed the basis for the NU-OU rivalry.
|2 years 7 weeks ago||Please God, east-west divisions||
you guys get OSU, MSU, PSU, we get Wisconsin and whoever. After we go to 16, we even get to finally play Indiana.
|2 years 8 weeks ago||Does anybody know how/who came up with Legends & Leaders?||
Was it some marketing firm, or did the B1G honchos get in a room together and brainstorm? Was a short list circulated for a vote, and if so who voted? Seems like it was something only a committee of disconnected consultants could come up with. Will be interesting to see if they use another process this time, if there is a next time.
|2 years 9 weeks ago||All three are great,||
we were lucky as fans to get to watch them in the same season. I know I loved watching Denard play and there was no bigger individual difference maker in the conference.
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Thanks||
for the props WolvinLA, and congratulations to the Wolverine players honored.
BTW, you owe me a beer. Guiness will do.
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Wonder how the game would have gone||
with both Denard and Burkhead playing. Rex missed the entire game and the guy was 1st team all B1G. We'll never know, but it would have been a better game with both squads playing their best. That's football.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||So far, so good||
we seem to be holding our own in the conference. We even got a 4 star RB committment this week from TX. But NU's always recruited nationally.
You make a good point about coaching, but even Texas sucked with all their in-state talent for a long time with average coaching.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||If the B1G had magic rejuvenation medicine to rub on MD-Rutgers,||
wouldn't they have already given some to Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, or Minnesota?
|2 years 10 weeks ago||I don't think you'll ever see UM-OSU in the same division||
The B1G is now TV-Cable driven and "no longer a Midwestern conference" (per Jim Delany). You'll always play OSU, but now its all about maximizing the different combinations of UM-OSU-NEB-PSU games for the media markets.
For now, they'll just move Illinois or another Leaders team over, because pretty soon it'll be a 16 team conference. They're not going to stop at 14 and likely we'll end with say, Virginia and North Carolina.
Then we'll have the four power schools each heading up a division and playing 9 conference games:
3 in-division games
3 locked cross division games - 1 from each division
3 outside-division games
I'm not advocating this, but it best fits the TV-driven, Midwest/NE reality and future.
[Note posted something similar on another thread but more on-topic here]
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Since the B1G is now a TV-Cable conference||
and "no longer a Midwestern conference" (per Jim Delany), I don't think you'll ever see UM-OSU in the same division. Now its all about maximizing the different combinations of UM-OSU-NEB-PSU games.
For now, they'll just move Illinois or another Leaders team over, because pretty soon it'll be a 16 team conference with those 4 each heading up a division and playing 9 conference games:
3 in-division games
3 locked cross division games - 1 from each division
3 outside-division games
I'm not advocating this, but it best fits the TV-driven, Midwest/NE reality and future.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||UM fans seem very conflicted to me on divisional scheduling,||
One the one hand, you quite naturally and rightly insist on playing Ohio State every year, with most even wanting to share the same division. It's the only game you want even though OSU is a perennial power. On the other hand, you worry that your other conference rivals don't have to play OSU every year and get an easier path to the B1G title.
And yet there've been many posts along the lines of "UM-OSU will dominate the B1G in the future, with maybe Nebraska-Wisconsin-Illinois-Iowa getting lucky and having an occasional good year", so why would you even care about their strength of schedule?
My point is, since it's a given in the Michigan world to play OSU every year and everyone else can't, don't sweat the rest. There's been divisions of 6, soon there'll be divisions of 7. Likely there'll be a 16 team conference before too long. There's geography, scheduling logistics, and ebb and flow of school's program strength. Not to mention the occasional PSU sanction cases. No way it can all be factored in around the one thing you guys all want, preserving your game with OSU.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Good points, but slight correction,||
Nebraska had already lost its yearly game with Oklahoma when the XII was formed, so there was no issue with giving up their traditions to join the B1G. But certainly Nebraska was attracted to the B1G for financial reasons and a better future.
At least in Nebraska's case many of the B1G teams were not complete strangers, we'd played over 150 games against B1G schools before joining.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Media driven conferences: the XII as a cautionary tale||
The XII was always a shotgun wedding, purely a media-$$$ driven marriage of convenience. The wholly financial aspect of the arrangement permanently poisoned whatever relationships were there to begin with. The result: 4 of the 12 teams bolted, the 6 non-TX/OK survivors remained only because they had no options. That conference was was doomed from the start and won't last.
Yes, money matters and pays the bills. But I hope the B1G doesn't devolve into the same thing.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Dilbert's boss||
is the only character that doesn't have a name. Even the petty occasional characters have a handle. He's just the pointy-haired nameless boss.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Its like your division is your new conference now||
and the other division is another separate nearby vaguely familiar conference....until it changes when they go to 16 for whatever reason.
The "Maryland Divisions" as leaked by them might well be premature, a trial balloon, or a temporary placeholder. I'd think that's more an AD decision and they will hopefully be more sympathetic to the fans that make CFB what it is. Though UM fans have a (well deserved) reputation for arrogance, this is one case where your concerns are quite valid.
Though Nebraska takes a back seat to no one for winning tradition and championships, we are sensible enough to know the B1G we joined is at its heart a Michigan-Ohio St conference. It's entirely legitimate to expect some respect and preferential treatment. College Football without traditional rivalries is just.......pro football lite.
The XII was always a shotgun wedding, purely a media-$$$ driven marriage of convenience that was doomed from the start (still is). Hope the B1G doesn't devolve into the same thing.
As one poster said, the B1G jumped the shark on this one.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Didn't Michigan and other B1G schools||
vote Nebraska off the AAU island? Couldn't have been too big a deal to have an "all AAU" conference to them.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Yup,bottom line,lose your divison you don't meet UM-NU standards||
Look at the numbers, no matter whether its all-time, last 50 years, or whatever, NU-UM are the consistent 70% + winning programs in the Legends, and will be locking horns to win the division. After awhile, this will turn into a serious rivalry, whether its built on hate, respect, a yearly slobernockering race to get the the CCG, or something else.
That's NOT a dissing of honorable, ancient UM traditions, all of which make CFB the great game it is. Go ahead hating OSU, MSU, even ND. But winners want to win on the playing field they're given to compete on. Hey, we loved our Thanksgiving tussle with Oklahoma. But that's "Gone With The Wind".
It could happen faster than the next generation. Say we split the Legends 50-50 over that period, pretty reasonable assumption. That's a load of frustration whether you're blue or red. NU fans already have set our sights this way, after going through this in the XII, it can happen pretty fast.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Superconferences suck||
it takes forever to play everyone on your conference. Its almost like the two divisions are separate conferences. Road travel becomes a burden for the student athletes and ridiculous for the fans. Isn't there enough money as things stand now?
|2 years 10 weeks ago||As a Nebraska fan I'll vote for those divisions||
I'd much rather have to beat out Wisconsin than UM every year to win the West. And get Purdue and Indiana every year.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Try 692|
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Been fun to watch him play,||
he's a great cfb player, so exciting to watch and you can just tell he gives his all every play and leaves nothing on the field. And off the field, he does everything right.
I wonder what his major is?
|2 years 11 weeks ago||For what its worth from a rival fan||
I was drawn to this site because the level of discourse, general intelligence, and overall fairness far exceeded any other college board I've visited. And there's some excellent non-sports content posted as well.
I try to post and give a "different perspective" when possible and it seems like as long as I can back up what I say, with the exception of a few taboo topics, my opinion is generally respected. I've even had Michigan fans defend my opinion, you never see that on other boards.
I've been registered for 2 1/2 years, maybe things were better before then, but Michigan football went through a pretty tough transition (I can relate, some of the posts I've read here were identical to Nebraska's during our problems), I think that explains much of the bad behavior when it occurs.
Sure, there are bad days when too many people overreact and say crazy stuff, naturally people will vent at certain times, but you guys have a great board, the smart and thoughtful posts far outweigh the stupid ones. Most of the time you get it right.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||NU not being our own worst enemy, avoiding turnovers etc||
and playing a complete game instead of waiting till mid 4th quarter----we smoke PSU, so higher than 10.5 (see below). We really haven't put it all together in a game this year. That's our flaw.
Pelini's defenses feast on pro style offenses like PSU. We have one of the B1G's best offenses, the best when not shooting ourselves in the foot. And as I said, I think PSU's 6-3 record is....not that good.
But so far Nebraska has played streaky, and PSU's game seems to be opportunistic and steady. So in that regard PSU matches up well against us. The Hare and the Tortoise. Wish we had Burkhead back, he's the team's rock.
The good NU: 38-14
The bad NU: 27-21
[EDIT]: The ugly NU: 20-27
Legends not decided till last week of the season.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Thare are some NU fans that still think its the 90's||
but the majority consider winning 9-10 to be maintaining the Nebraska standard. Most of us learned our lesson under Callahan.
Let's face it, when your progam wins 850+ games (or 900+ in Michigan's case), its easy to spoil the fans.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||You are an honorable man, sir||
full respect to both teams is due. Who knows what would happen with both teams at full strength? Hard fought game, both gave it everything they had.
The battle won't end until the last game this season. As it should be.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Call the Huskers lucky if you want,||
but give them some credit.
Nebraska's lost 2 games--on the road---against rated teams---while playing the 6th toughest schedule nationally and by far the hardest B1G schedule. And without our All-B1G running back for most of the season. If we win the Legends, and the B1G, I'd say we more than earned it, "down year" or not.
Obviously Michigan would have had a much better chance with Denard in the whole game, but Michigan with Denard in was only on track to score 20 points for the game---assuming you got the TD. We scored 23. Or say you do better than 20 with Denard--with Burkhead in, you could just as easily figure 2 Nebraska TD's where we settled for FG's, that's 31 points.
That said, Michigan's clearly not out of the Legends race, lots of football left to play.
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Logan88, have to agree, can’t see any PSU love||
Best home win: NW
Not an impressive body of work for a 6-3 team. And their pro-style, pocket passer offense is what Pelini defenses typically feast on. But the Huskers might have one of their “lay an egg” games they shouldn’t lose like NW last year. Don’t think so with this team.
Still think the Legends isn't decided until last week of the season
|2 years 12 weeks ago||Well, Nebraska's played the 6th hardest schedule nationally,||
tops in the B1G:
Also the hardest conference schedule in the B1G.
So maybe not so bad at 16.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Colorado fans at games.....bad||
vandalism, urine bag tossing, etc against Nebraska fans before, during, and after games was common. Throwing snowballs at players during live action. Drunkeness to the point one of our games there required clearing the entire Colorado student section----AT FOLSOM FIELD.
This isn’t just about Buffs fans hating on Nebraska. They treat everyone else with the same level of contempt, such as when they threw lemons, batteries, water bottles, tennis balls, and marshmallows with coins in them at Texas Tech’s band, or the fan that used a laser pointer to blind an Oklahoma St quarterback.
No, we didn't much care for that. But not a rivalry.
Tom Osborne said when the Big 12 shifted Nebraska’s season-ending game from Oklahoma to Colorado it wasn’t well received.
“Colorado, it was sort of a self-proclaimed rivalry on their part,” Osborne said. “We didn’t have much say about it one way or the other. The Big 12 gave us the schedule so we went ahead and did it that way.
“The so-called rivalry with Colorado; that was one that was declared primarily by Colorado. They said we are their rival. Rivalries usually develop over a number of years and usually there’s a shared excellence.”
"We never really have declared anybody as a rival here because around here every game is pretty important."
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Nebraska is currently ranked 26th nationally in total defense||
and the Blackshirts numbers should get even better. Pelini-coached defenses rarely struggle with the pro-style offenses and pocket passer qb's on the remaining schedule. These are men Pelini’s defense is built to harass and smother. See: Kirk Cousins, Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, Nick Foles, Colt McCoy etc.
OSU was on the road, & our offense gave them a lot of easy scoring opportunities.
Tough to win a road game in the B1G
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Legends won't be decided until last week of the season||
assuming Denard recovers. Lots of football to be played.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||"Huskers......won game No. 851 at Northwestern"||
per NU's official gameday program: http://www.huskers.com/pdf8/958692.pdf?SPSID=60798&SPID=22&DB_OEM_ID=100
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Being matched up with WSU was a lose-lose for Michigan||
since they weren't a name program and rarely won or appeared in bowls. Michigan wasn't going to get much credit for beating them, except maybe in a huge blowout. Winning a close game in this situation hurt Michigan, didn't matter that WSU had a good team.
The opposite happened for Nebraska, they decisively beat a prestigous program and got maximum benefit. Whether Tennessee was a more difficult opponent than WSU can be argued, but face it the polls have a big beauty contest component to them and Nebraska benefited from soundly beating a "name" team.
Think of it this way: had Michigan beaten Tennessee 21-16 and Nebraska beat WSU 42-17, Michigan would have been the unamimous champ.
|2 years 13 weeks ago||My irrelevant game facts and prediction||
---This is the first time two conference foes with more than 850 wins will play.
Checkout the picture of your squad playing us 100 years ago below, also there's another mouseover and pan picture of the game here: http://www.huskermax.com/games/1911/08michigan.html
|2 years 14 weeks ago||9/9/2000||
Final Score NU 27, ND 24 in OT. Most reports said 30,000 Husker fans attended.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Thanks, here we are at Notre Dame, another "road win"||
I was at both games. The NW fans acted like they were used to it. I'll never forget the look on Notre Dame fans when they were taking their seats and saw all that red.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Hard to handicap this game based on comparing records||
and results against each team's schedule.
Michigan has lost to better competition, but your best win this season was at home against a 4-4 team. Nebraska's beaten one rated team at home, and a 6-2 team on the road. In Michigan's only road victory at Purdue you dominated, but it was Purdue.
Does any of this or FEI mean anything? Probably not.
I think the two teams are pretty evenly matched, I'm just looking forward to a hard fought, exciting game and Nebraska victory. Let's face it, most people knew a long time ago this game would likely determine the Legends.
Here's a stat: Nebraska’s won 10 straight home night games, is 36-5 overall in home night games. And this is Michigan's first ever visit to Memorial Stadium.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Great catch: "UN's turnover situation... they are terrible"||
I posted similar on another thead about my main worries for NU in this game. Turnover Ratio and Fumbles Lost have been horrible and the Huskers Achilles heel this year.
Counterpoint: Michigan's best wins so far this year was at home against an unranked MSU 4-4 and on the road against 3-4 Purdue. Nebraska's best, beaten ranked 6-2 Wisconsin at home and come from behind on the road against a 6-2 NW.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Good question, I hope so we can hold you under 30||
Admittedly defense hasn't been the team's strength this year. But it's not as bad as it looks. OSU, Wisconsin, and NW got a lot of quick easy points off turnovers.
Some Nebraska stats that worry me the most and have caused us big problems against better competition:
Turnover Ratio: last in the B1G and 110th nationally
Lost Fumbles: last in the B1G and nationally
We won't stop Michigan's offense or have a good chance to win doing that.
Not sure what to think about Michigan's run defense. The stats look good, but only three teams you've played run the ball well, you stopped ND but Air Force and Bama did OK.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||"No Oklahoma...here"||
yes, lately those schools have stayed out of trouble, but as my post was praising Michigan's accomplishment over the long haul, my point was to contrast your program vs their many past cheating transgressions. Programs winning 800+ games is a short list, those winning them the right way, the list is even shorter.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||No zoning laws in that state||
free for all chaos, but that's the way they like it.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||2nd year at Antelope Field||
|2 years 14 weeks ago||He's a wonderful college football player and so fun to watch||
when he's not competing against you. Well, I take that back, even then he's fun to watch but less so.
Michigan has certainly been fortunate to have Shoelace putting on the Maize and Blue these four seasons.
1. what are his pro prospects and projected draft place, if any?
2. What is life after Denard and how will it affect your 2013 season prospects?
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Abdullah is smaller and quicker than Rex||
but he's no "edge" specialist. He is more than capable up the middle as well, and really the main thing we lose with Burkhead out is senior leadership,versatility, and experience. Ameer came into the season expecting to get significant playing time, not just a backup role, so having him start shouldn't change our offense. Naturally we'd like to have both playing but that's football.
Does Michigan have any significant injuries?
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Agreed, didn't mean to imply that was UM's only path to victory,||
but from most Nebraska fan's perspective, our MO this year against better teams has been digging our own hole and then succeeding or failing to climb out. Inconsistently has been our biggest weakness.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||Nebraska fan's perspective....||
first of all, I find this game very hard to call. Both teams are very good but not great and have flaws.
You guys have lost to much better teams, but beaten much worse teams. In the B1G, your opponents are 1-9 and 9-13 overall, ours are 9-3 and 20-4. For all games, Nebraska's SOS is .666, 14th nationally and 2nd in the B1G, vs UM .555, 46th, 7th. Your best road win was Purdue who you totally dominated, ours against NW that we statistically dominated but constantly shot ourselves in the foot and barely won. The best team you beat was MSU who's only 4-4 but it was an intense rivalry game. Our best win was against Wisconsin who's 6-2 and ranked.
Denard is great and Nebraska certainly has trouble with dual threat qb's, but Martinez has really upped his passing game this year and has a much better receiving corps than last year. We've rushed the ball extremely well even with Burkhead out a lot due to a very talented RB group. Overall I think we have more weapons on offense.
On paper, Michigan looks to have the best defense we've played all year. It's a little hard to tell due to your schedule but I think they pass the eyeball test. We have one of the best offenses you've played except for Alabama. Our defense is streaky and some of the stats are deceiving because our offense keeps turning the ball over and committing dumb penalties which has given teams like Wisconsin and OSU lots of cheap points.
If Nebraska doesn't shoot ourselves in the foot like we have in so many games this year, we'll win this night home game. If we continue to be our own worst enemy, Michigan will win.
Did you know this game will be the first conference game in college football history where both teams have won at least 850 games all-time? Nebraska will also be commemorating 50 consecutive years of sellout crowds at Memorial Stadium, what better way than playing the all-timer leader Michigan in your first game ever at Memorial Stadium? (The Wolverines played in Lincoln in 1911, 12 years before Memorial Stadium was built).
Win or lose, I guarantee your team and fans will be treated with respect in Lincoln.
|2 years 14 weeks ago||"Nebraska still can't pass that well"||
Actually, Nebraska is #3 in the B1G in passing offense, #1 in passing efficiency.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Hard for me to get a handle on Nebraska vs Michigan this year||
Your losses were against vastly better teams than ours, but our wins were against much better teams.
The game being in Lincoln and at night gives the Huskers an advantage, but the Wolverines do have a conference road victory....although Purdue with empty seats is no Nebraska.
Good mobile qb's seem to give us (and everyone) fits, and Denard is a great mobile qb. But we aren't winning games with our defense anyway, and our offense is second to none in the conference---when not shooting ourselves in the foot with turnovers and penalties.
I think it will be a close, exciting game between two good, not great teams, and will determine the Legends winner (provided we both win this Saturday). Nebraska, 34-31.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||You play Illinois, Purdue, OSU||
we play Wisconsin, PSU, OSU
We both play at Columbus
Division matchups are a wash
Which schedule is tougher or would you prefer?
|2 years 15 weeks ago||If UM and NU both win this week, should be a dandy||
Visitors, enjoy yourselves in Lincoln. Win or lose, we'll treat your team and fans with respect.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||hah hah that's it||
you just need a groveling RB at his feet like in some renaissance painting
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Thank you,||
you're saying what I've been saying since the new 12 team B1G and divisional alignment formed.
I know UM has way more skin in the OSU and ND games than Nebraska and usually MSU, but the reality is that winning the division is where it starts, and that does change things. Different league now with different dynamic, though it will take time for that to sink in for some.
Nebraska has no "thing" about beating UM or MSU other than more often than not, we know it will mean playing in the B1G title game. Over time, rivalry intensities will shift based on that.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Is it really true that ND and Michigan recruit many of the same||
My uninformed opinion was that ND was more "national" based and Michigan more B1G based. Sure looks that way here, UM 18/22, ND 8/21 in the conference footprint.
Thanks to both authors for interesting, informative charts.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Nebraska kickers used the "dot the i" time||
to practice their kicking:
|2 years 16 weeks ago||NU also honored coaches||
Bill Jennings, who led the Huskers to a 15-34-1 record in the late 50's. And who can forget legendary coach Adolph J. Lewandowski, the Nebraska basketball coach who took over the football team during World War II at 4-12-0.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||I have to wonder||
who the hell will win the B1G this year?????????
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Sorta like||
Should be interesting game in Lincoln
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Burkhead takes the snap||
then throws a block....
You gotta love that guy
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Part of his new contract stipulated||
he had to bring their weather and recruiting base with him
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Big shoes to fill||
Most people outside Nebraska know Osborne strictly for his coaching career, and view his AD stint as a caretaker role to close out his career.
Besides helping guide Nebraska into the Big Ten, he fired and hired men's football, basketball, and baseball coaches, started or initiated a new basketball practice facility and state of the art downtown arena, new student-life and strength complexes inside Memorial Stadium, and expansion of Memorial Stadium capacity to 92,000.
Aside from taking over a high profile football program, tough act to follow for Eichorst.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Most love ever shown for Martinez on this board||
all on just one thread.
I think most Nebraska fans are figuring on a loss. Even Pelini's best D's have had trouble with dual threat qb's.
Agree that if Nebraska's offense plays up to their potential all 4 quarters, they can win. A high scoring game seems more likely than a defensive battle.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Wisconsin's plan: be the new Penn State||
win with defense, offense and QB play conservative, minimal turnovers, and don't make mistakes. That's how they played in the 2nd half and won last week. And with PSU down, it can work this year for them in the division.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Chase Rome is back||
"Pelini said Rome has returned with “the right attitude” after a personal issue prompted a week-long absence. Rome started the first two games at defensive tackle for Nebraska this season'.
Per Omaha World-Herald:
|2 years 19 weeks ago||LB corps can be described as slow, injured, or untested||
I fear what our LBs chasing Shoelace is going to look like.
Senior Alonzo Whaley (slow, experienced) and redshirt freshman David Santos (fast, inexperienced) will fill in. If we're going to burn a shirt and he is ready 4-star Jared Afalava is who I would pick.
Medical RS for Anderson in this case should be a no-brainer......
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Spot on, LSAClassOf2000||
with maybe Zaire Anderson and David Santos getting a shot at OLB. And methinks the 3-4 would not be employed all the time, depending on the opponent.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||The reason why Rome left was he was upset with playing time||
When you give up 653 yds nobody has a leg to stand on, how can you expect to continue getting playing time? The film doesn't lie-- work harder, nothing is given to you. Bo and the coaches are seperating the men from the boys.
Sounds like the defense may incorporate a 3-4 scheme, does that bring back memories to any Wolverine fans?
So how much does this help the Huskers? The younger LB's have more speed, find ways for them to get on the field and use their athleticism. Some of the guys ahead of them may know the system better, but they are not getting results.
It may force a change not only in formation/depth chart, but also in mentality. Pelini was involved with the Packers when they ran a primarily 3-4 scheme.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Many MGoBoard posters cite Nebraska's recruiting as a weakness||
as far as long-term competitiveness in the B1G. It's certainly a fair question.
All I can say is that Nebraska has never recruited at the elite level, even in our championship seasons.
We don't have the built in recruiting base of a OSU, Michigan, or Texas. We've always had to recruit nationally. Our Texas recruiting has dropped off, but I doubt that it'll disappear. Even though we don't play there anymore, the extra BTN exposure offsets that a bit. And we've greatly stepped up our recruiting in B1G territory. You guys and OSU will get the 5 star guys, we'll get our share of 3-4 star guys. Same thing happened in the XII vs TX and OK.
BTW, one reason I post on this board, besides it being fun to present a contrarian view and the quality and diversity of the posters, is that most of the time I'm treated very courteously and with respect as a rival fan. I almost didn't post my previous comment thinking I'd get blasted. Instead I get upvoted. Can't believe I have 800 points after 2 seasons. It is very much appreciated.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||I know you guys had a great season last year||
and beat us soundly in AA………but "back to the big 2 little ten10" and "Nebraska on a level with Iowa and Illinois" after you have one excellent season and recruiting class? Guys, we're only midway thru the preseason, a 1-1 start, and one B1G season under our belts with a new conference member, divisional play, PSU sanctioned, and a conference title game.
In the last 4 years (during our--ahem--rebuilding years since Pelini took over), Nebraska has a 70% WP. Historically 70%+ is the standard for us, Michigan, and OSU. Everybody else in the B1G has historically been in the low 50% or less range, with only Wisconsin and to some extent MSU recently approaching 70% WP. Remains to be seen if Wisconsin can sustain their ten years at 70%. MSU is barely at 70% their last three years. Haven't mentioned PSU for obvious reasons.
Now, it could be that Michigan will beat Nebraska by 28+ every year and routinely share the B1G title with OSU forever.
But I think it's much more likely you'll see all three of the perennial 70% teams mostly in the hunt with a good dose of the others winning out due to divisional play and short runs of success. If either Wisconsin or MSU ever permanently become 70% programs, there could be a 3 to 5 team battle for the B1G almost every year.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Omaha Nebraska:||
BONUS POINTS: Fred Astaire, Marlon Brando, Henry Fonda, Montgomery Clift, Gerald Ford, Buddy Miles, Nick Nolte, Malcolm X
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Also keep in mind||
Ace ranks by number of recruits and stars, so teams with large classes always rank high.
I have no problem with number of recruits being a big factor, all the recruiting services weigh that pretty heavily. But the fact remains a "big" class really just means the schools current roster dictates that it won't have a large number of spots to fill. It's not like they're falling behind or noncompetitive due to recruiting class size.
Case in point, in Nebraska's case, we're 3rd in the B1G for star average AND still have about 10 spots left. Does that mean we're going to have an awesome recruiting class? Who knows. Personally I think average stars matter more than raw numbers of recruits. you can only recruit to the size of your open spots.
I also don't take the recruiting services too seriously. They're in the business of selling and hyping, how else can they make money?
Yes, as a fan I'd rather have a 4-5 star laden class than a 2-3 star class, but I've always figured the coaches don't gives a rats ass what Rivals thinks. Lots of times there's politics and marketing involved in the player ratings. Notre Dame offers someone a scholie and they immediatey go up from unrated or low star to high star, or whatever.
Bottom line, you have a coaching staff you believe in and they are recruiting the guys they believe will live up to Michigan standards and play the game the Michigan way. That's all you can ask for as a fan, Rivals and Scouts be damned, they don't know shit about what makes right for Michigan or Nebraska, who recruit unique to their standard, scheme, and academics.
Sorry for the long rant on your board, as a "guest" rival fan I try to mind my manners, and Michigan certainly looks to have an awesome class lined up, no matter what you think about recruiting services, no disrespect intended to your current class.
Have a good time in Lincoln this year and may the best team win the game and the division, and no injuries to these young men.
Go Big Red!
|2 years 20 weeks ago||All the contenders have flaws||
it will be an exciting battle to the last man standing in the Legends. And I guess you could make a case for Purdue in the Leaders.
Any way you look at it, the division and B1G title are up for grabs.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Not really||
pretty much top 25, never a top 5
Our best recruiting classes were when the genius Callahan screwed up the program
|2 years 20 weeks ago||We've always recruited below elite status||
but its never prevented us from getting elite results
|2 years 20 weeks ago||I think a couple things happened....||
defenses are bigger and faster than they used to be, and the rules have changed to favor the pass.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||yup,||
have some old game tapes I could send.
Also see Texas and Oklahoma.
We stopped when our own RichRod, aka Bill Callahan, decided we were a WCO.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||K St couldn't draw up a better game on paper,||
ball possession and eating the clock, that's their style. Maybe we'll be treated to another year of Miami being unrated
|2 years 20 weeks ago||K State looking good playing their ground game against Miami||
picking up from last year's style of play, almost 7 minutes on that drive and up 7-0
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Nebraska felt like we were beat by the better team last year||
but that the Huskers weren't as bad and UM wasn't as good as that one game showed. We didn't play our best that day and Michigan did.
You guys should feel the same about this.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||That's what I was wondering too||
no disrespect to DR but he' s no Payton Manning. He had 3 yds rushing on ONE ATTEMPT.
I can only hope its the same gameplan against us.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Best of luck to you guys and your squad tonight,||
and no injuries. Looking forward to watching this.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Who'd have thought||
Taylor Martinez would pass for 354, 5 td, no int's, 212 passer rating....and rush for 10 yds?
BTW best of luck to you guys and your team tonight, and no injuries.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Thank god, especially with||
Burkhead out with a knee injury
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Can't argue with you about the D,||
hopefully they'll catch up with the O. Kinda what we expected.
S Miss is certainly no Alabama, but champs of a midmajor is a good opponent.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Well, we're on track||
for 600 yds of offense against a team that was 12-2, conference champs, and won their bowl game last year.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||hah hah||
|2 years 21 weeks ago||My bad,||
correct it with "MSU beats UM" (again)
Not bagging on anyone, just commenting on how strange the dynamic is among conference rivals.
I predict a 3 team dogfight this year for Leaders, and MSU certainly living up to preseason hype so far.
Should be an entertaining B1G season. May the best team win.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||So weird, college football....||
MSU looking awesome from the git go, and last year
MSU kills UM
UM kills Nebraska
Nebraska kills MSU
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Said it before and I'll say it again--again||
Legends will be 3-way dogfight. UM, MSU, and NU all very good teams, but each with flaws.
|2 years 22 weeks ago||Are you saying||
you don't like either "Bugeaters" or "Cornhuskers"????????????????????????????????????
|2 years 23 weeks ago||There were plenty of Callahan supporters, big time||
and many bought into the "our offense is stale and old fashioned and we need to make major changes" meme. And as things unraveled on the field and cherished win records were snapped, Big Red fans bickered and split into factions.
Main reason I started visiting your board originally was watching in horrified fascination as the same situation repeated here. It was so similar on so many levels it was downright creepy and like living the whole thing again, but I couldn't avert my eyes.
Judging from last season, you guys won't have long to put it behind you.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||If its any consolation,||
it took about 3 years on Nebraska fan boards for the wounds to heal and everybody moved on rehashing Bill Callahan. So you're only looking at about 2013 for this sort of discussion to end.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||Hard to argue with success,||
And asterisks in the top 10 for two of the all-time cheating programs, OU and Bama.
And PSU's Paterno vacated wins should earn them a special asterisk as well.
|2 years 23 weeks ago||So a battle between||
Angry Wisconsin QB hating god vs Benevolent Wisconsin transfer loving god
|2 years 23 weeks ago||Wonder what Bielema's problem is||
finding his own QB? It's becoming a trend. They don't seem to have any trouble recruiting the other positions. Never seen anything like this.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||"Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship"|
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Make you a friendly bet between rival fans:||
first guy's team that wins the Leaders, gets a free beer compliments of the other.
first to win the B1G gets a six-pack.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Guess we'll see and have to disagree for now||
and of course we still have this season to play!
Recruiting wise, really Nebraska has seldom been world-beating even with our championship teams, and never linked recruiting stars with our team's success.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||I didn't say "slam dunk",||
so no disrepect to Michigan or anyone else.
And I think given the factors I mentioned it's a pretty reasonable expectation. Purdue and Illinois replacing Wisky and OSU.......PSU much weaker.....Senior team and qb....3rd year in league.
We were 5-3 last year without any of those factors....what do you think it would be worth in the WL record?
Here's another: Michigan's first year w/o Denard.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Expectations for Nebraska by the pundits were too high, agreed||
I think the main thing that mislead them was that Nebraska played for the XII title 2 straight years prior to entering the B1G and lost the two games by a total of 4 points. So it was fairly reasonable to assume we'd be ia favorite immediately upon entering the B1G.
I should add that most Nebraska fans DIDN'T have such high expectations. We knew that we had a young team and by far the conference's toughest schedule, among other things.
We expect to compete for the championship this year, and in 2013 I think most Nebraska fans expect to win it......OSU and Wisconsin rotate off the schedule and we'll have an expereiced team with 2 years of league play under our belts.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||Here's the deal on these two, they each had their own situation:||
Neither were starters, but certainly it doesn't help depth.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||You might end up in Lincoln one of these days||
and liking it more than you think, despite yourself.
We'll respect your team and your fans win or lose.
You could do a lot worse in B1G country, even in Michigan.
Or maybe not in which case I wish you well in your world as it is.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||His dad played for Nebraska||
word out is he's homesick. It happens, they're still kids.
Also lost starter status last year when B1G play began.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||I'm going to say Denard is faster than Bolt||
if they're both wearing full pads.......
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Well, he was first team all B1G last year as a jr||
I think its pretty cool the B1G has the top two SI RB's for what its worth.
He'll likely end up Nebraska's #2 all time running back----think about that, #2 for a program known for running the ball and great backs.
Who do you like better (excluding Fitz)?
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Nebraska is much deeper than last year||
but with no preseason stars like David or Dennard, a product of Pelini redshirting many of his first classes. Remains to be seen if we'll be improved.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Nebraska fans set our sights on a 2013 B1G title when we joined||
schedule, senior QB, senior laden team, 2 years under our belt. Despite the pundits predicting that in 2011-12, most Nebraskans were more sensible.
Not that this year is out of the question, think it'll be a dogfight amongst you, us, and MSU.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Both our fanbases were spoiled||
I'd guess both are more forgiving and (dare I say more grateful and appreciative?) for the program to be in the 70% range after going through RichRod and Callahan.
After all, UM is 74% alltime, 73% last 50 years, and NU is 70% alltime and 79% last 50. You'd think that would be good enough.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||yup, that was bad||
44-32, 58% WP our worst 6 years in the last 50.
Question for Mgoblog fans: would UM fans accept Pelini's 39-16 71% WP for Michigan or would you be on the ledge?
|2 years 25 weeks ago||I used poster's "terrible last decade"||
if you want to drill way down, we were "terrible" three years, 2002-2004", 22-16, 58%
|2 years 25 weeks ago||"Pelini has rescued them from being terrible the last decade.."||
UM: 66% WP, 82-44
NU: 63% WP, 82-48
Terrible becuase it was our worst decade in 50 years, yes
|2 years 25 weeks ago||I'm kinda new around here||
has Penn State always been like this?
|2 years 25 weeks ago||At least||
they just used Wisconsin's colors. Nebraska's went heavily with black which isn't Nebraska. Yes, we have the blackshirts, which Adidas then ignored when adding all the black everywhere else.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||One tipping no-no||
Having been in sales for several years, I've done my share of tipping. I totally support tipping generously for good service, even on my own (non-expense account) dime.
However one tipping etiquette area I think few people are aware of is, do NOT tip on the total bill--which includes sales tax--whatever you feel a fair % calculation is, you are overtipping if you include sales tax.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Said it before and I'll say it again||
Legends will be a dogfight. To the end.
UM, MSU, and NU all are very good teams with flaws.
Good luck to you guys, have a great season (except when you're in Lincoln).
|2 years 26 weeks ago||I don't know about an exodus||
Sure, it makes sense to recruit this year’s incoming PSU class, they have four years of eligibility and a redshirt available, and wouldn't be too far behind other new players on the team who went through spring and summer camps.
As for the rest:
5th-year seniors would be way behind understanding the new team’s schemes. And 4th-year players would have less eligibility than a junior college transfer.
After the 1st, 4th, and 5th year players, you’re left with the 2nd-year and 3rd-year players. They’d probably be most attractive to schools who previously recruited them, and would be the same as JC transfers in terms of eligibility.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Rex Burkhead likes them||
that's all that matters
|2 years 27 weeks ago||No problem with that||
we're the new guy on the block so we'll take whatever is dished out.
Personally I always liked the geographical approach and felt the B1G was too clever by half and overthought the whole thing.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||Strike out "much" from better....||
and we'll agree to disagree and call it a draw?
BTW enjoy all your posts agree or disagree always well thought out and stated.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||Why do you say||
the XII is a much weaker football conference?
Since 1993, XII has won 4 1/2 NC's, B1G 1 1/2, so if anything the B1G has lagged.
|2 years 27 weeks ago||I find the whole premise of this thread ironic||
Michigan got the only cross-division rival it cared about, OSU, and wants to play them every year knowing they are a perennial power. You got what you wanted. Plus Indiana twice. And PSU.
Meanwhile no one minded the B1G handing Nebraska PSU as a cross-division game since they were a strong team, along with Wisconsin and OSU twice instead of Indiana. We both get Illinois and Purdue
So now that PSU is set to decline (and even though Michigan plays them twice), its all unfair and we need to change the schedule? How often should we go through this?
|2 years 27 weeks ago||I doubt Nebraska will get it's AAU status back||
Nebraska is a smallish state U in a farming-ranching state with modest resources and small population. Ag is a huge part of NU's mission, the AAU doesn't value that sort of research. and let's face it, there aren't many schools like NU in the AAU. Look at how few are represented west of the Missouri river--offhand, just Texas, Arizona, and Cal. Nebraska has certainly made strides in growing other research and is no slouch--think we're around #100--but the state is too sparsely populated and has nowhere near the resources to compete with most AAU schools.
It sorta ticked me off at first, but really we probably don't fit into that club. And it's kinda funny that right after bringing us in, a few of the B1G schools--supposedly Michigan and Wisconsin--voted against us, so AAU membership can't be too big of a deal.
|2 years 28 weeks ago||Tommie Frazier....||
first, let me say I appreciate the props given on this site by Michigan fans for Tommie---and that I thoroughly enjoy watching Denard who is a special player as well.
But Frazier's in a class by himself as far as running/dual threat college quarterbacks when you consider his individual career stats and team accomplishments. Of course he played on some great teams but everyone mentioned here had talent around them. He was a four year starter, who missed several games and had no NFL career due to blood clots from Crohn's disease.
2 NC's, back-to-back
MVP in 3 NC games
33-3 as a starter
4 Big Eight Conference championships
1st Team All-American
2,233 career rushing yards, 4,003 passing yards
Sports Illustrated back-up quarterback on NCAA Football All-Century Team.
College FootballNews #33 player on their Top 100 Greatest College Football Players of All-Time
|2 years 28 weeks ago||Maybe the Penn State trustees||
haven't gotten around to reading the Freeh Report yet?
That would explain their current position.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Among the top 5 teams in the B1G||
there really is very little separation. You could make a good case for any of Michigan, MSU, Nebraska, OSU (sanction aside) or Wisconsin winning the conference.
Regarding Nebraska specifically, I know we didn't look very good against you guys, but I've seen a tendency on this board to read way too much into last year's buttwhipping, some people seem to think "oh yeah, we've got Nebraska covered, we'll beat 'em by 4 TD's every year." I guess first impressions are the most important.
It was our first year in the conference (every game was like an OC game), we'd spent the last 4 years tooling our roster for the passhappy XII, Martinez was only a sophmore (still has some really impressive career numbers after only 2 years), it was our 3rd offensive scheme in 3 years, we had a really young team, and we played a brutal schedule.
Although many posters have correctly pointed out that we lost 3 stars on defense, last years D was also very young as well. Pelini redshirted a lot his first year and we'll have a much deeper, more experience D though without any preseason stars.
Just giving you some Red perspective.
Wisconsin seems like a lock to repeat in Indy if only due to schedule and OSU sanctions, but the Leaders should be a dogfight. I say Leaders winner handles Wiscy in the conference title game, no problem.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Can I have 2 tickets?||
shouldn't be missed you'll still have 109,899 left
|2 years 29 weeks ago||240 terrific replies to this great post||
and only 2 upvotes, just doesn't seem right.
So upvote #3 from me, thanks for starting something I liked a lot. This is the sort of thing that brings me back to mgoblog every day.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||flwolverine's hell will be.....||
being forced to watch Bike Racing for all eternity!
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Some really good RB's to watch this year in the B1G||
Fitz, Bell, Burkhead, Ball....not bad
Plus Denard, Martinez, Colter, Gray, and Miller can run a little, too
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Yogi Berra was my brush with Greatness||
When I was a kid my dad would often take the family on summer vacation to Kansas City. The highlight of the trip was taking in an A's-Yankees game at Municipal Stadium.
One day before the game we're eating at a restaurant downtown, the Italian Gardens, and who did my 8 year old eyes spy at a table near us but
eating alone. Somehow we talked my dad into taking us to his table, he was very nice, let us interupt his dinner and chatted a few minutes.
He even autographed a dollar bill for me which I guarded and kept as a prized possession. I like to think I played a small part in "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded".
One of my life regrets is that I literally sold out when I was about 13 and spent the dollar to buy comic books. What a dumbass I was.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Thanks||
that explains it....was always curious.......not sure why someone would take offense at my post but appreciate your reply.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||That Alamo Bowl game||
was just weird. Kinda like the Fog Bowl between the Bears and Eagles. Or the Stanford game where the Tuba player got slobberknockered on the last play.
Maybe someday ESPN or BTN will show a whole day of the weirdest football games.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Just curious, why is ND on a list of B1G recruitng rankings?||
They won't even be on your OC schedule in a few years.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Including Nebraska in the trophy names was really stupid||
That was a real stretch.
I like watching the classic games just to get caught up a little on our new conference rivals. It's been pretty disorienting going though a whole season of conference play knowing so little about the teams we play or their traditions. Last year was like playing an entire OC schedule.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Most Nebraska fans are pointing to 2013 to win the B1G||
OSU & Wisconsin rotate off the schedule for Illinois and Purdue, Martinez senior year, third year in conference. But we'd be fine winning this year.
I think part of why the pundits were so high on us winning our first year was that we'd played for the XII title the last two years and lost the two games by a total of 4 points.
Very few Nebraska fans I knew expected to walk in and thrash everyone in the Big Ten.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||We're still scratching our heads about||
the Northwestern game
|2 years 29 weeks ago||In FSU's case||
superior talent meets average coaching for mediocre results.
Its fun to watch when its not your school.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Our schedule is a bigger obstacle||
OSU, Wiscy, PSU on top of UM and MSU
TMart was only 84 yards under Denard in total passing yards & higher completion %
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Definately a cautionary tale for recruiting stargazers||
I've always felt good coaching was the deciding factor in CFB, not recruiting rankings.
Not saying excellent recruiting isn't important---but that the recruiting websites are inaccurate compared to each schools recruiting evaluations and are more for fans.
Rivals, scout, etc are at best a rough indicator. If you're in the top 25-30, you're fine----if coaching is topnotch.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||Be prepared to "schedule"||
making love with your wife , while the little ones are asleep or your older kids are out. The window for spontaneous moments will close over the years.
But then it will open again much later.
|2 years 30 weeks ago||All the conflicting opinions about what to do with PSU||
boils down to one thing: this is completely unprecedented and off the charts, the mother of all CFB scandals that dwarfs free cars, drugs, tattoos, even SMU death penalty offenses.
Hell, it makes all of what is college football seem insignificant.
No one knows what the appropriate "punishment" is because....its a unique blend of repulsive criminal behavior committed over decades combined with a flagship football program. No rulebook or past sanctions ever imagined something this horrible and vile being perpetrated so long with the complicity of many in power from a large, powerful institution on behalf of football.
There is no appropriate punishment or response, at least based on current rules or practice.
We all intuitively know that just firing a few high profile admins isn't enough and yet......that's what are we left with. Sandusky is behind bars. Paterno passes away. Victims lives ruined forever.
What, dear god, do we do next besides pray nothing like this ever happens again?
|2 years 30 weeks ago||Fairly new to this board and B1G stuff, but||
never in my wildest dreams did I think people here would seriously discuss dropping PSU from the conference. But it's not a stretch or that farfetched.
|2 years 30 weeks ago||"Philadelphia Lawyer"||
1. A lawyer who knows the most detailed and minute points of law or is an exceptionally competent lawyer
2. The ultimate in crooked lawyers
|2 years 31 weeks ago||Think everyone agrees both are great||
there's so many ways to look at it--and naturally we'll look through our red or blue tinted glasses.
I consider myself a guest on this board, so for the sake of good manners, I never get on here to bash Michigan. But I expect to get a little kidding so no harm done.
Just trying to give you guys a little different viewpoint, and who better than from not only a rival fan but a fan from the newest member of the B1G.
Really enjoyed watching Denard last year except during our game.....
|2 years 31 weeks ago||If you split hairs like that||
there's not much left. Number of starts, number of carries/pass attempts, injuries, being pulled out of a game early with a big lead, you could go on and on. And who knows, maybe Fitz's production would have diminished over a full season.
Its a pretty simple proposition in the poll, who's the best tandem, and total rushing and passing yards is about as universal a yardstick as possible in this case, taking in account all types of offenses.
But if a slight edge in TD's and yards per attempt carry the argument for you, so be it, DR-Fiitz are great in my book and this is a Michigan board so you should like your guys the best.
Anyway, good way to pass the time until FB starts.