|5 years 41 weeks ago||Thank you, Kalamazoo Blue!||
Thank you, Kalamazoo Blue! Please keep spreadin' the word!
|5 years 41 weeks ago||Great thing about posting on||
Great thing about posting on blogs is that you get 'free therapy'. Hope your day improves! :D
|5 years 43 weeks ago||How well did Casteel and RR||
How well did Casteel and RR get along at WVa? If Casteel does come to AA, what are the chances that he is able to clean house on 'd' so to speak when many our defensive staff are people he's coached with before?
This sounds good on paper, but I am wondering how well they'd be able to mesh together after 3 years apart and lots of pressure to produce.
|5 years 43 weeks ago||True. But it gives people a||
True. But it gives people a chance to vent, rant, or whatever which can be fun I suppose. Somehow out of the chatter, some sense will be made and help get us to next Saturday until we get to do it all over again.
|5 years 43 weeks ago||"It's Michigan". Does that||
"It's Michigan". Does that win actual football games?
What are the general principles that determine RR's need to go?
I don't know what will happen, but surely Brandon's got to have much more vision than this.
|5 years 43 weeks ago||You may not be crazy but||
You may not be crazy but it's also quite possible that not everyone agrees with you either.
|5 years 43 weeks ago||Thank you for that||
Thank you for that perspective. Didn't know the context of how well RR had done at WVa relative to that school's history.
As for RR's time at M, I hope we can win a couple more before it's said and done so RR gets another year. I'll stick with Molk's observation that the team is very close but not yet showing it. I know the players won't give up on this and I can't wait til Saturday to see what the team can do against Illinois.
I'm all in.
|5 years 43 weeks ago||Really? Does the Brewster||
Really? Does the Brewster comparison really make any sense at all on any level beyond a simplistic comparison of numbers?
|5 years 43 weeks ago||You sure you didn't get lost||
Zwaag, you sure you didn't get lost on the way to the Alabama blogs? : P
|5 years 43 weeks ago||Peculiar part of looking at||
Peculiar part of looking at the data is that wins over Illinois and Purdue would put us on track to reach the 7-5 mark. While those games are certainly not locks, the interesting part to me is that it is still possible to reach the range of wins where people thought the team would perform. A bit of luck versus Wisconsin or a ridiculous amount of luck versus OSU and maybe 8-4 is possible. It just seems unlikely, however it is still possible.
The fun part of the pre-season projections is the speculation. Really we don't know what will happen or how it will go down. That would include how the team would get to the 7-8 win total. 5-0 was fun even with a few concerns. The last 3 suck with growing concerns. Watching Iowa walk over MSU yesterday, I am reminded that part of college football's fun factor is that stuff happens sometimes that is hard to anticipate. Did anyone see the Hawkeye romp happening? I didn't but I have to admit... I loved it. : D
Our team is writing their story as they go so to speak. They started out better than I thought they would, and emotionally I chose to ramp up my expectations some even if it wasn't rational for me to do so. The sparkling 5-0 caused me to look past the play of the defense and I did not account for the mistakes on special teams and penalties that happened in the last 3 games. I also didn't really see that the first five opponents would themselves have all sorts of issues.
The pain and disappointment in the last 3-4 weeks is part of the 'growth' process. (i.e. you have to grow to get bigger and better). While there are no garuantees, I'm in for the duration. The problem is I just don't know if they will win or not from here on out. The PSU loss is disappointing, but it's one game. While we can tell ouselves that we 'should have' won, fact is PSU played better and won. (guess they didn't read the memo they were supposed to suck). Looking in the mirror today, I realize there is a game next weekend and games beyond. I plan to 'HOLD FAST' and cheer the team on. I may not like the way the story is unfolding at the moment, but the story is not complete yet either. Go Blue!!
|5 years 43 weeks ago||Not sure about that one at||
Not sure about that one at all. After '07, Henne, Hart and Long graduate. You think the defensive attrition would not have been an issue? What about the depth chart on the offensive line. The prevailing wisdom around here seems to be that Mallett was gone regardless and returing to Arkansas.
If all of that is true, we'd still would have had problems. Tweaking implies a few changes. I think regardless of who replaced Lloyd, the new coach would have had quite a bit of work to do.
|5 years 43 weeks ago||'07 revisited||
Are you remembering the same '07 season I watched?
Which game is the only disaster? Appalachian St. or Oregon the following week? We started out '07 ranked #5 in the nation. (yes, I know pre-season polls). But following 'The Horror', the Ducks walked all over us to put us at 0-2. The Oregon game was one of the worst in terms of being totally dominated at home I have seen in 30+ years of watching M football. Yes, Henne was hurt early but still the D looked terrible that game too. That 0-2 start was pretty humbling.
I could also note the Wisconsin game was not pretty and we don't have to review the ugly game vs. OSU do we? Personally, I think Tressel just sat on the ball once he got a lead in that one because he was trying to show some respect for Lloyd and knew he had the game. It could have easily been much worse.
Honestly, there were some ugly performances in '07 that we probably tend to gloss over because of a wonderful bowl win.
But yeah, your main point does make sense. Lloyd did win Big 10 games that year and the D played better after the Duckwalk. Bowl games?... I miss them too. /nod
|5 years 47 weeks ago||Just curious... Why is it||
Just curious... Why is it that you seem to think UMASS is such a 'crappy team?' Watching that game, they actually look like a very good FCS team. I think BG would have a tough time beating UMASS and some other MAC teams might not beat them either. I really don't think UMASS is the worst team we have faced this year.
But yeah, your first point stands. I agree with the opposing QB's having the game of their lives bit. That's been a bummer.
|5 years 47 weeks ago||Hadn't thought of it, but||
Hadn't thought of it, but yeah you're right. The D never gave up and really didn't look that winded. How many plays did IU run?
|5 years 47 weeks ago||I dunno. What Denard and co||
I dunno. What Denard and co are doing seems to be pretty repeatable. Maybe not the long plays for touchdowns, but piling up yards and points yes. The O line has performed well and the receivers are blocking and making plays. The sample size now has grown to five games. The numbers say fantastic. The patterns say M can do it over and over again. It's the spread with an amazing playmaker at quarterback.
|5 years 47 weeks ago||Woo Denard! Just keep 'em||
Woo Denard! Just keep 'em coming.
|5 years 47 weeks ago||Interesting comment. I am||
Interesting comment. I am thinking that every week from here on out seems to be the 'biggest game of the Rodriguez era' because each 'win' brings us closer to a bowl game return and having him around longer.
That said, the natives might be very uneasy if MSU wins. So yeah for now, this is the next 'big' game untl Iowa comes to town.
|5 years 47 weeks ago||I'm glad your excited.||
I'm glad your excited. That's cool.
But I'm with Oracle on this one. I am very uneasy about this game. MSU beat Wisconsin today even with their early mistakes. Sparty seems to stay in games and has the ability to make plays.
One concern is that I think MSU's linebackers will play much better than IU's for instance. I'm not sold on the idea that those open throws in the middle will be there against Sparty. They certainly won't be as easy to run on as IU or most of our previous opponents. Can we beat them? Yes. Denard is that awesome, howeva this will be a nailbiter IMHO.
The real problem with this game is that we really won't 'be back' if we beat MSU. It's more of a just one rung on the ladder to getting back to where we want to be. MSU is simply not an elite team. If we lose, it will be a visit to the Pain Train Station. It will be hard to be around the Sparty faithful should they win. So in some janky way, this is a 'please dear God let us win' game.
|5 years 47 weeks ago||I do like your optimism. I||
I do like your optimism. I am curious what someone like Magnus or one of the D coaches out there would say.
I do see some athleticism out there and the guys did seem to flow to the ball after the catch well. The trouble was Chappel played a pretty smart game and executed well much of the game. I am very curious to see if IU actually turns out to be a decent team or not. Simply put I am not sure how much it was a function of IU running a good gameplan versus our D just not being able to handle the 'pistol' and the pressure it seems to apply to the flats. Would love to hear more thoughts.....
|5 years 47 weeks ago||I assume you are referring||
I assume you are referring just to Michigan's history. If it's defenses in general, I can't agree with you. As an example, I'm pretty sure that BG's defense is worse than ours.
Still, your observation is not a surprise or even a pithy statement. The struggles our of defense are not news. We knew going in that this would be tough. We haven't seen anything we didn't already suspect last August. Is Chappel's success today really that shocking after the Mass game result a few weeks ago?
On the plus side, there were some moments that guys did step up and make some plays. I do like the way the D never gave up.
|5 years 47 weeks ago||Bleh! Rooting for Sparty?||
Bleh! Rooting for Sparty? Ummm... NO!
|5 years 49 weeks ago||Wow! Prayers go to MD, MSU and family||
While I am no fan of MSU or MD, my heart goes out to everyone in their community, his family and him. They had an exhilirating win last night and he should have been able to enjoy it and celebrate the victory over ND before getting back to work for week 4. It's sad news to hear.
I will definitely have Dantonio in my thoughts and prayers. It's a major market correction in my thinking about the week 3 outcomes. The concerns about our special teams and D, while trying to enjoy the sugar plums of 3-0 had been roaming around my head, but now I am thinking that this game is really about the people and it stinks that he has suffered this setback. Even though, Dantonio is on the 'other side', I hope he has a speedy recovery. God bless Dantonio and his family.
|5 years 49 weeks ago||Master strokes of genius all||
Master strokes of genius all over. Wonderful splicing and editing. I can't just get enough! lololol!
Well done, sir, well done!
|5 years 49 weeks ago||Scintillating... stunning....||
Scintillating... stunning.... that was 'happening'. Great work!
|5 years 49 weeks ago||Whoops! Have a great day.||
Whoops! Have a great day. My bad on double post. Sorry!
|5 years 49 weeks ago||Very good news!||
Very good news!
|5 years 49 weeks ago||No question here for me. Go||
No question here for me. Go Irish! M is starting out 2010 on a roll... and I would love to see it continue deep into the season. I want the teams we've beaten already to do well (even if I do dislike ND very much). I want to believe we are for real and that what our O and D even has shown is not a mirage of wins over paper tigers.
I want some glaring weakness that MSU has to be exposed that we can exploit when we face them. At this point, I am more concerned about RichRod piling up wins and earning another year (actually years!) and M being relevant again. I certainly don't want MSU to be a problem for us. : P Simply put, there is not any way that I can root for MSU or Dantonio.
I really want ND's D to be pretty good so that Denard's and the O's superb day is legit in the big picture. 2-0 is a great start, but I would really luv to see 6-0. I want to drink the cool-aid deeply and see M back at the top. I am happy, but still remember last year. Honestly, I'm not really interested in having a good game when we play MSU. I just want us to beat them (41-21 sounds good to me) so Sparty can go back to being Sparty and we can move into contention for the Big 10 title. So yeah, it's hard to say... but 'Go Irish'.
Ugh. Really what I am screaming is, "GO BLUE!". Anything that continues the good feelings from the past two weeks, I am all over.
|5 years 49 weeks ago||Denard is a beast. Luv it.||
Denard is a beast. Luv it. Want to see more of it!
|5 years 50 weeks ago||Thank you!||
|5 years 50 weeks ago||Irish||
Feelings aside, I think Notre Dame wins.
Considering feelings, I like the idea of MSU having a weakness get exposed that we can exploit. I hope ND unmasks them for the pretender they are. We need to win Big 10 games this year and a win over Sparty following a triumph over the Hoosiers would be great way to start off the Big 10 season. (ie. 2-0in Big 10 and 6-0 overall).
ND winning helps us in the sense that a 'good' ND season after we beat them makes us look better.
Either way, will be interesting to see those two teams go at it. It's easier for me to root for ND after we beat them. I really can't root for MSU in anything while D'Antonio is their coach. : D
|5 years 50 weeks ago||That's a shame. During the||
That's a shame. During the Purdue Big 10 network preview, he was interviewed and seemed like a composed and focused young man. I got the impression he would be a force to deal with this year. Last year he had over 1,000 receiving yards, if I recall correctly.
At any rate, I'm with Irish on this. Hope he's ok.
|5 years 50 weeks ago||well said. Go Blue!||
well said. Go Blue!
|5 years 50 weeks ago||That's one fairly obvious||
Not a Blue Fan......That's one fairly obvious statement. What is your point?
I'm thinking it's ok for our fanbase to feel good about starting off 2-0 and enjoying Denard's performances so far. Btw, if we are ranked, that actually is good for you people in Columbus.
It's a 'small sample', but so what? Obviously, we need to produce in Big 10 play... blah ... blah .. blah. Me? I'm just enjoying the afterglow of an exciting win. Big 10 play is another day.
P.S. Why don't you go enjoy your victory over 'that Miami' someplace else. : p
|5 years 50 weeks ago||cue: Hello, Dee Hart!||
cue: Hello, Dee Hart! Please.... : D
|5 years 50 weeks ago||2-0 with big road win at ND||
2-0 with big road win at ND will help quiet down the press in terms of negative RR pulp. Great start to 2010!
|5 years 50 weeks ago||Hail Yes! What a rush!||
Hail Yes! What a rush!
|5 years 51 weeks ago||Word.||
|5 years 51 weeks ago||Well said. Everything I've||
Well said. Everything I've read about the Mealer family has supported that idea that God is working many amazing things in their lives despite the hardships they have experienced. They seem to be very loving and remarkable people.
Count me in on being inspired.
|5 years 51 weeks ago||Well done. Enjoyed reading||
Well done. Enjoyed reading this. I think this is a story that needs to be passed on and on. Please continue to share it.
|5 years 51 weeks ago||You know it. Feelin' good.||
You know it. Feelin' good.
|5 years 51 weeks ago||Amen, Brother! Amen! Go||
Amen, Brother! Amen! Go Blue!
|5 years 51 weeks ago||Wooooo||
Let's Go Blue!
|6 years 27 weeks ago||Sarcasm alert! Weren't you||
Weren't you the one earlier who was referring to Long, Hart and Henne must suck too if you base careers on one game performances(ergo Rose Bowl '07)? In your 'defense' of Trent or whatever you wish to call it, you enabled the Long, Henne, Hart discussion in the thread. : P
|6 years 27 weeks ago||Can't agree with that. Appy||
Can't agree with that. Appy St. was the worst. In fact, the sequence from Bo passing, then 2006 at OSU, Urban cryin', 'SC Rose Bowl fold, ASU and Oregon is simply unparalleled.
I dislike the losing the last two years passionately but the problems the team faces are not just issues emerging during RR's tenure. I'd rather Trent not say those things but he's his own man. Doesn't mean I have to like it NFL or not.
Btw, Illinois had actually beat us pretty badly in '08 with same base talent. Yes, the Illini were not a good team in '09 and yes we folded, but we knew we had holes last year and we were not that good.
Appy St. should never have happened. We were ranked 5 in the nation going in. The shock and awe of the horror still resonates but then again I live in Atlanta so get to deal with ASU fans now and then. Believe me, I hear about still albeit in a friendly fashion most of the time.
|6 years 27 weeks ago||Interesting take. Not sure I||
Interesting take. Not sure I see the polarity between having an opinion and sacrificing reliability though. Why can't you be both reliable and have opinions? I think Brian has both.
As far as the local/state coverage, I guarantee you the AJC would never go after the Dawgs or Tech the way the Freep has gone after M. Certainly never see that sort of thing in Alabama either. The Dispatch seems to support the Buckeyes in the ways that matter. The key point is that most local media actually work with the teams in the area rather than tear them down.
How does it make sense that the local/statewide media would trash Michigan? Does it make any sense that supposed journalists cover MSU and M differently? It's not the right thing to do is the point.
PS... in answer to your 2 guys statement: Sharp, Snyder, Rosenberg, Birkett .. those are four names just off the top of my head.
|6 years 27 weeks ago||Hmmm... drawbacks you say?||
Wait a sec! You think MGoblog has 'drawbacks just as any of the people/sites you (the OP) listed.' Really?
Is this like saying no one's perfect and we all have faults so everyone has value? I think people just need to make up their minds how they want to spend their time and recognize different sites for what they are/want to be. But this site has pretty well documented the 'walk of shame' of the local printed press in its biased/unfair coverage of M football and RR in particular.
I don't think Brian has ever claimed to be the voice of M football. Rather he and others here are highly enthusiastic about wolverines football. Blogs are supposed to have a slant or opinion. It's a natural development because all of the heuristics, analysis and percolating thoughts that represent a body of work that is heavily weighted with facts and vigorous exploration of ideas.
The problem with the printed press and by extension some media based websites is that they are more interested in 'hits' and making money than any pursuit of deeper understanding or truth. The bottom line is simply that most of the sites the OP listed are trying to achieve a vastly different effect than MGoblog.
I hope the Irish never get a taste of local press bitter vitriol like M has.
It's been very unpleasant. It's not about 'hearing bad news'. It's about hearing unfair representations of a University and team you care about. It's about so called writer's pursuing personal vendettas that dash any sense of journalistic credibility in local news sources covering the team you follow. It's about shock jocks that don't care as long as people get riled up and tune in.
This isn't news reporting. Brian is pretty up front about his biases and is not afraid to bring a critical eye to the program, game or coach. Therein lies the huge difference. He's also willing to see the good too.
|6 years 37 weeks ago||Amen to the idea of relevance||
Amen to the idea of relevance again!
/brush away lumps of coal
M shall rise again... just would be nice for it to be sooner than later.
|6 years 37 weeks ago||Thanks for the update, Tom.||
Thanks for the update, Tom. Glad to hear that Carvin is solid blue!
Welcome to Michigan
Most of your average bear type fans, like me, may not know too much about you but we are excited you are coming to play in Ann Arbor. Based on what articles I have seen posted at MGOblog, it sounds like you can really play the game well. Many people are growing more excited about seeing you play in the winged helmet next fall each time we learn more about how you play the game and your team's success this year in Louisiana.
We do need athletic players like you. I hope you succeed personally at M and also help our team get back to where we'd all like it to be.
Thank you for choosing Michigan. Go Blue!
|6 years 38 weeks ago||Thanks for the highlights||
Thanks for the highlights videos. Kids got some moves. Very exciting.
One question: in the offensive highlights, he's playing for the Agoura Hills Chargers, but on the defensive highlights he's playing for Crespi. Did he transfer his senior year to play at Crespi?
|6 years 38 weeks ago||Getting another experienced||
Getting another safety who has experience at the position, has played on a winning team/program, and is willing to help the team out however he can, sounds good to me. Welcome, Roy Vinopal!
RR and staff seem to be on the job relative to bringing players to AA to address the team's shortcomings. On the star front, it's interesting that Carvin started out like a 2 and is now a 3. Seems like folks can feel better seeing that than they did when he first signed.
Perhaps same rating change development is possible for Vinopal? Either way, in a couple of years, I think our two deep will be looking better for having more competitors and guys who 'know how to play the game'.
I'm very interested in seeing how the next two months recruiting shakes out. While Vinopal's commitment surprised me, I am glad the coaches are out there on the trail working hard. Here's to hoping they do a great job!
|6 years 38 weeks ago||That made clicking on this||
That made clicking on this thread worth it.
To the OP.... "Bye".
|6 years 38 weeks ago||Dear Mr. Vinopal, Welcome to||
Dear Mr. Vinopal,
Welcome to Michigan! Congratulations on helping lead your team to a state title in Ohio HS football. We don't really know much about you but since your are now on our favorite team, we're hoping you succeed in helping us get back to where we want to be.
You have to understand a funny thing about the internet. People can anonymously criticize the commitment of some kid, like yourself, based on his star ranking and lack of approved guru evaluations. You see as a fan base, we're not used to our team losing and we are disappointed with W-L results from recent seasons. Sorry to say, there are a few fans who have a rude tendency to express their disappointment towards 18 year olds. They are not thinking that your or your family might be reading this board.
The fact the coaching staff has spent more time evaluating the player than the scouting services means little to the star chasers who don't like complications or gray areas of recruiting. They just want results that look good on paper.
Instead, they can rant and rave about their 'informed' sense on how a player will turn out or 'what our team should look like'. The secret is, 'They don't really know how you or any recruit will turn out'. But you see, they've sifted through the data and know the data over the decade from scout and rivals (we even nod to ESPN on occasion too). So, if you could add a star (or two) their sense of hope would be encouraged.
Again that losing thing tends to bother people, please understand it's not personal. Also, please understand that many fans will be glad to see that you are the 6th DB in this year's class and you add another chance for us to solve our back 7 issues over time. Finally, consider that many fans are just not that LOUD or outspoken. So, many of us are glad that a person like yourself is interested in fine school like M.
Personally, I like the way that RR and his staff are working hard to get a full class and looking at everyone they possibly can. I really get the sense they look at what the player can do and get to know players rather than just click on the talent evaluator like we do when we play NCAA '10 football. Not being a coach or talent evaluator, I can only respond as a fan of M.
So, I say welcome to you, our new recruit. Glad to have you aboard and I really hope you can help our team get back to where we want it to be.
Average Michigan Fan
|6 years 38 weeks ago||Concur Bray. Well said.||
Concur Bray. Well said.
|6 years 39 weeks ago||Doctor Worm wrote, "I guess||
Doctor Worm wrote, "I guess when your football, basketball, and hockey teams are inferior to Little Brother, all you have left is the ability to blubber on a public forum."
Someone bitter about the last 40 or so years in football?
"Also, why do you constantly insist on comparing being a cocaine dealer to getting in a fight?"
Winston got in 'fights'? LOL! Is that what you call Winston blindsiding Sturges? (Btw, Love the way you support your school's actual student athletes by glossing over details like the head injuries Sturges suffered in the assault by Winston).
Winston seems to really enjoy fighting and obviously has some serious anger management issues. He is not an ordinary guy who was angry and got into a fight. Ordinary, angry dudes don't put other dudes in the hospital with injuries that threaten to end their athletic careers.
I would love to see you to explain your theory to A.J. Sturges and his family. Then again, the Sturges' deserve better than having to listen to trolls. At one time, your presence here was interesting since your allegiances are obviously with State. But your post today was just over the top and sophomoric. Grow up!
|6 years 39 weeks ago||Bandgeek Summary: Rosenberg||
Bandgeek Summary: Rosenberg is so concerned with his image and possible expectations of him as an M grad, that he overcompensates by being biased against M and rosy toward state?
Wow... if that's true, then that is one insecure and small-minded sportswriter. Doesn't Rosenberg know that he is supposed to be 'objective' and professional in his approach? If BG's theory is true, then Rosy needs to grow a pair of balls and actually show some objectivity and do some real reporting.
I hardly think his writing experiences at M taught him to be a biased hack who does inadequate research. He really should have some pride in himself and his Alma Mater. It's not about liking RR, it's about writing truthfully and respecting a fine institution that helped him along in life.
|6 years 39 weeks ago||1. NCAA investigation does||
1. NCAA investigation does NOT equate guilt. Until actual results come out you can save up your bile instead of just spewing it here.
2. Part of the problem with Rosenberg's work is shoddy research on 'countable hours'. The lack of professional effort into establishing facts is the core of the problem. Rosenberg jumped on the issue and used the 'possible' allegations as a beat stick for his general anti-RR platform.
3. As I read it, the core of Brian's post is that MSU seems to get a relative 'free pass' when issues arise. Whereas, M seems to get roughshod treatment. It makes little sense if you are supposed to be an objective news reporter.
4. It does not matter whether you support RR or not, it's not hard if you can read to see that Rosenberg is not an objective reporter.
|6 years 39 weeks ago||I would say M and ND have the||
I would say M and ND have the more in common given the rich traditions both schools have with winning.
UVA is a school that once lost 28 games in a row during the 50's when my dad was in law school there. As much as the Cavs have had some strong years in recent memory, the football tradition is very unlike M's.
The other day, the Richmond Times Dispatch led off a fluff article about the Va Tech-UVa game with a plug for a special holiday 'charitable donation' opportunity. The idea was donate to UVa to help buyout Groh.
Tongue in cheek yes, but getting rid of Groh is not so easy. The problem is not just the 4 million, but if I'm understanding correctly, the University had to buyout the former basketball coach recently as well. I don't have details on that piece, but it sounds like, they'll need someone to step up and pitch in to say goodbye to Al.
|6 years 40 weeks ago||Woooo! Welcome Cullen!||
Woooo! Welcome Cullen! Great news!
|6 years 40 weeks ago||IIRC, Clemons was talking||
IIRC, Clemons was talking about working too hard in practice and high expectations. I don't recall him using the words "family values".
Anyways... when it comes to family values:
1. Eliot (and Brock) Mealer
RR's and the team's support of the Mealer family in their time of need is well known. I think the actions and support for the Mealer's far outweighs angry parting words of a disgruntled ex-player.
|6 years 40 weeks ago||A woman may have been raped.||
A woman may have been raped. A young man may have made a serious and grave error. That's the point.
Anyone thinking about RR and his job needs to check their priorities.
|6 years 40 weeks ago||Have mercy! You are||
Have mercy! You are connecting an incident we still know little about with the team's performance on the field? Is this a suggestion that if the team were winning you would not have any concerns?
We won't know the facts about the arrest in the sexual assault case until tomorrow.
1. IIRC, when Beilein came from WVa. he broke a similar clause in his contract. I don't think this is a major issue unless you are a WVa. fan.
2. "Some players"- The only 1 that I know is documented for 'family values' is Boren. Who would the others be that make up this 'some'? As far as Boren is concerned, consider the source. Enough said.
4. In America, innocent until proven guilty, right? These are not violations....they are 'allegations' of violations, not actual violations at this stage of the process. I suppose for some, the fact that there are 'allegations' is enough. But time will tell the truth regarding these reports.
6. This would not be the first case of a player making a mistake in the history of M's football program. Obviously, no one wants to see that but the important part relative to your suggested line of thinking is how RR handles the incident, not that an 18 year old in his charge possible made a bad choice and committed a potential crime.
|6 years 40 weeks ago||Great answer. Thanks! I||
Great answer. Thanks! I feel better already.
|6 years 40 weeks ago||Thanks Tom. Clearly the||
Thanks Tom. Clearly the weekend has big implications for closing out the class.
Question: How would you respond to people who describe recruiting is 'down'?
I ask because it seems like there is still a lot of time left and this weekend appeared to be such a big weekend.
|6 years 40 weeks ago||Thank you for the updated||
Thank you for the updated list!
|6 years 40 weeks ago||Welcome to the board. I hear||
Welcome to the board. I hear ya on restoring the rivalry and M getting back on its feet. I too would like to see the Big 10 stronger and specifically M-OSU having national implications every year. Of course, I also want to see M winning every year so we probably don't agree on that point. :P
We did play well today. I was glad to see the D step up but our turnovers obviously hurt. It seemed like we saw some 'freshman' mistakes out there but the good news is that we also saw some young talent make some plays to give us some hope for next year. Either way, today OSU was the better team.
As for the Shaw incident, I'd agree that was unpleasant and really not what we'd like to see from either team.
Relative to Graham, I really can't imagine that his comments 'fired up' OSU with bulletin board material. Tressel is very focused on the rivalry and 'gets it'. As we have all heard, he has the clocks counting down to the game and the players are constantly reminded of the importance of the game etc. OSU has been 'ready' under Tressel's watch, unfortunately for us.
Losing to the Buckeyes always is disappointing. We'll be back, it will take some time, but we'll be back.
|6 years 40 weeks ago||"Recruiting is down. They are||
"Recruiting is down. They are now scrambling for "sleepers" lol. NCAA violations are possible."
"THERE HAVE BEEN NO, REPEAT ABSOLUTELY NO Signs of Improvement at Michigan."
TH, your post is like a fun sponge. : P
A few thoughts:
Recruiting seems to be quite alive this weekend with some talented potential recruits in town for the game. There is still plenty of time left for the class of 2010. I suppose it depends on what standard you are measuring these things by, but much will depend on how things close out at: CB, S and LB.
Bottom line, the class will fill up (currently at 20) and on signing day, we'll actually have an clear picture on whether recruiting is 'down' or not.
RE: "THERE HAVE BEEN NO, REPEAT ABSOLUTELY NO Signs of Improvement at Michigan."
Somehow watching today's game, I really can't agree with you that Forcier is not an improvement over Sheridan/Threet.
I also see a lot of young players at various positions on the field that play hard and offer reason to believe they'll improve and the team's performance will improve: Omameh, V Smith, Roundtree, Roh immediately come to mind. Also, Martin could see an uptick and I curious about Koger/Webb and Stonum.
Finally, thank the college football gods that Martin doesn't listen to you.
|6 years 40 weeks ago||I'm still all in! Well said.||
I'm still all in! Well said.
|6 years 41 weeks ago||As RR indicated, 'that's in||
As RR indicated, 'that's in the past'.
I think the best play is to focus on football and beat OSU. I'm 'all in' for many rounds of the 'the Victors!'
|6 years 41 weeks ago||I love it! I hope everyone||
I love it! I hope everyone who is lucky enough to attend the game supports the team like you will. I like the way you are stopping to smell the roses so to speak.
For a plethora of reasons, one of my favorite moments at the home games is when the team comes on the field and touches the banner. The banner says it all. Let our team know that we support them.
Any fan can cheer when their team is winning but I think we do have the opportunity to show that there 'truly is a Michigan difference'. When we kick OSU's butt, let's be good sports about it! Before commencing into orgiastic fits of joy and rapture, wish them well on their drive back to Columbus! : P
Now I know what you are thinking...what if we don't win? Yeah, it's a longshot, but it could happen. (gasp!)
This team has struggled and the RR era is off to a rougher start than we imagined or wanted to see but this is our Michigan Wolverine Football Team! Support the team! I'm all in and glad to see that ya'll are too!
|6 years 41 weeks ago||The RR comfort zone idea||
The RR comfort zone idea seems to be a reasonable idea to consider, but you don't support your ideas with facts or details.
For instance, did you actually look at the rosters Ferentz, Kelly and Harbaugh inherited and evaluate the development of the players? I'm interested in how you support these blanket assertions.
1. 'They improved their teams fast.' (This is different than saying they are successful coaches).
|6 years 41 weeks ago||Well stated Purplestuff.||
Well stated Purplestuff.
Actually, I did learn something from your diary. I like your ideas because you examined an underlying platitude that people have been throwing about.. "it has to be a problem with the coaching". While this is a reasonable stance to consider, I think many people are emotionally frustrated with the D's play and simply looking to assign blame rather than think about it.
To be honest, you got my attention with your handling of the topic. One of RR's pluses coming into M job was that he got the most of the talent tree he had at WVU. One thread dangling out there was why that developing talent didn't seem to be happening here at M.
Your analysis digs a little deeper than most people have been willing to consider and actually suggests RR/staff are doing better than people give them credit for on D! I think some 'bottom line' people will never likely concede this point because they just see Michigan's name brand next to awful statistics. However, you make a effective case that things are better than they appear in the papers.
Thank you for the thoughtful evaluation.
|6 years 41 weeks ago||Most telling line.... "I am||
Most telling line....
"I am unable and unwilling to give the coaching a pass on this."
but the second line of interest is...
"Unfortunately, your argument doesn't hold up well when comparing our defense to just about anyone."
Could you please back that up with actual argumentation beyond hyperbole and vague reference to RR words.
Other than I just disagree with the OP, what is the thinking behind your point?
|6 years 41 weeks ago||Agree with ya Blue. I think||
Agree with ya Blue. I think that the collision between our two players carried them into the punter. The inference then is that the result is most likely a case of 'bad' luck or random occurrence. Ergo, the problem is less with the play call and more with bad luck.
The strategy of the going after the punt fits a larger picture of choices coaches make. Result wise, you win some, you lose some. Disappointing to be sure but I think the biggest problem there is the random collision.
Taken as a whole, we've been coming close to blocking some punts recently and our return game has been very suspect or non existent all year long. I like the idea the coaches are trying to create opportunities for good things to happen, even if sometimes things don't work out well for M.
|6 years 41 weeks ago||"going for the punt block in||
"going for the punt block in the first half was one of the stupidest calls by a Michigan coaching staff since LC gave the ball to William Carr against Purdue."
The 'stupidest'? Drama crashing into hyperbole anyone?
Something to consider:
I have little doubt, had things worked out for M, people would have praised the coaches moxie or aggression. Seems like they have been going after punts in recent games in general. The issue then is the outcome based analysis. I would be curious to hear what some x and o people think about that play call and execution.
As you pointed out, there were other opportunities to make plays and at the end of the day, Wisconsin simply made more of them. They just played a better overall game.
I think RR and staff will get things together but agree it might not be til '11.
|6 years 41 weeks ago||Thanks for the post. It is||
Thanks for the post. It is simple.... but i miss the Sad Joshs and Nefarious characters. I like the MGO recruiting board.
It's about the pointy teeth and all. : D
|6 years 42 weeks ago||FWIW, this topic may be have||
FWIW, this topic may be have been posted last week,but I think the discussion was worthwhile and I like the way that you keep re-summarizing and forming the list. Not only is it fun to speculate, but also informative too.
A good recruiting class would bring some hope down the line even if it won't impact directly on Saturdays for a while. Thanks for the post.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Would Witty count in this||
Would Witty count in this class if he re-joins M?
In the recent past there has been some mention he might get cleared. Is that just hearsay?
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Re: Brian's reference to||
Re: Brian's reference to Mallett: Kmedved wrote, "Unfortunately, I have no reason to think that's actually the case."
And you provide no reason to think it's not the case either. Your assertions of the 'high cost related to transferring' are vauge. The prestige dropoff? Please, the kid is from Texarkana. I doubt he sees Arkansas as a major step down since Arkansas was competing with us for his commitment.
Think of the bonuses for Mallett:
With Coach Carr retiring and Mustain transferring, opportunity opened up for Mallett to strike a new path with the Razorbacks. Before Mustain transferred Mallett would likely have been blocked. (I won't get into the hearsay that Carr and Mallett did not see eye to eye on much; but there exists a theory that Mallett had issues being at M well before RR arrived). I will say people change their minds and he chose to go back home to Arkansas. There is little suggest that he was going to stay at M.
The Mallett departure issue was covered in more detail on this blog back around the time he left M. If you are really interested in understanding Brian's 'good authority' reference, you might consider searching the site's archives for more detail before you dismiss it so lightly.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Alex Wang himself in your||
Alex Wang himself in your citing says...
The key term is most rumblings.... some even stating the bowl streak is at risk. 6-6 is a stab in the dark. It's sorta like saying we don't really know but that sounds likely.
The salient point is that people didn't know what to expect in reality. Our 2007 season was absolutely strange, albeit with a happy ending at the Cap One bowl. Given Hart, Henne, Long et all moved onto the NFL, we faced a new era with some uncertainty.
I think it's clear that the 2008 team was entering uncharted waters. Our brand name, Michigan, had won 40 years in a row. Few of us would imagine that streak would stop. We're Michigan after all, we don't rebuild, we reload. So, naturally we expected to win or at worst start winning again in '09. Impatient fan base? Ha! We never even expected to have to be patient.
We wanted to believe that our safeties getting smoked against Appy St. and Oregon were just us not being prepared or aberrations. We paid little attention to the thinning depth chart on defense. Why would we? We're Michigan and anyone can recruit 4+ stars to Ann Arbor, right?
The counter to disappointment is that our expectations may have been unreasonable and/or unrealistic. We were so filled up with our past, that we didn't realistically believe we were like other schools who have to endure rebuilding and struggle to regain success.
In economics, market correction brings an adjustment to expectations. I am disappointed that we are losing, but I also think we took for granted the 40 years of success. It's not a birthright, it has to be earned.
Having said that, can't wait until we're winning again but I will.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||I had a totally different||
I had a totally different take on that....
Bigstick actually takes time out to respond to what you said. I'd say that is pretty cool. He gives some good responses to your points. That's discourse to me and what makes the boards fun. Not sure where the angry internet guy comment is coming from... unless you are Danny Hope in disguise? : P
"Anyone could build a great program at Michigan"....
I don't think Danny Hope could, he'd be too pissed off about people like Beaver who bolted to Tulsa or Pearly Graves and DeQuinta Jones who went elsewhere on signing day last year leaving us light in DT recruits. : D
I think the trouble with the Roundtree saga is that it burns and is frustrating for the team that loses the recruit. But I can't blame an 18 year old kid for changing his mind. Commitments aren't binding until signing day, and kids can change their minds if they want to.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Welcome to the board! Glad||
Welcome to the board! Glad you like the site. Grats on yesterday's win. It's a disappointment for us to lose yesterday for sure.
I don't agree with your assessment of RR. You want to call your coach an a-hole fine. But why come here and say basically.... well ya know, RR kinda probably deserved what Hope did b/c well.. ya know.. RR's an a-hole?
While your entitled to your opinion, I think it's kind of strange to come to a Michigan board and spew that meme unless you are just wanting a reaction or are a troll.
Honestly, I don't care for what Hope did there either. I think it's a sign of poor character. Hope is a grown man. I'm not sure what that example really shows his players. Generally, I don't have any vitriol toward Purdue but yesterday should have been about Hope being excited about winning in Ann Arbor and keeping Purdue's bowl hopes alive. His petty differences with RR should have been the last thing on his mind. I'd like to think Hope would have been focused on celebrating with his players.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||OMG! Ack... it's him again!||
OMG! Ack... it's him again!
+1 for the Avatar. Too funny!
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Belch has little control over||
Belch has little control over people starting threads about him. I wish they would ban those threads. /sigh
FWIW, he doesn't start many of his own.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||"I have a hard time believing||
"I have a hard time believing that our defense is that severely understaffed compared to some other teams that are playing comparable schedules and still making bowl games."
Casually, your idea sounds reasonable. I mean.. we're Michigan, our name brand is all about winning and all.
However, did you miss the work of Misopogon and others this past week?
(see Tim's post "Dear Diary: the Inaugural" on Friday's front page for the full details).
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Interesting thoughts. It||
Interesting thoughts. It does make me think, so thanks for the post.
First, I think the whole Freep story thing is overblown and overrated. People have short term memories and their outrage and umbrage fades over time. This time last year, ESPN was mercilessly piling on. Now? Not so much by comparison. Unless something concrete is actually found, meh, it's all hearsay.
Question, if we somehow manage to beat Wisconsin and/or OSU... what happens then? At say 6-6, we'd be bowl eligible is that good enough in your mind? Or do you actually think it's a done deal regardless? If the team wins one more when they aren't expected to do so, I think it changes the whole emotional equation. If the team somehow beats OSU, people will go bananas and be happy.
Face it, much of this fire RR meme is based on emotional vitriol related to on field performance. Winning tends to abate the teeth gnashing and hollerin'. I don't think the masses will feel the same about firing RR if we somehow beat OSU.
As for Mary Sue.... what else could she say? Nothing. She could have stayed out of it. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that she is not actually behind RR.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Enjoyed the writeup.||
Enjoyed the writeup.
Suggestion: follow up and do it again after signing day.
With another 5 or 6 guys incoming by then, plus clarity on 5th years who aren't renewed, the depth chart may have even more promise for the future.
Keep up the good work
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Wow! Thank you for posting||
Wow! Thank you for posting this. Makes a lot of sense and helps explain what we see on the field each Saturday.
How long do you think it might take to make up for the deficiency?
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Early on in this series of||
Early on in this series of posts you seemed to be raising a question. The discussion was interesting and you got some thoughtful responses. In answer to them you keep repeating the Woolfolk quote which leads me to believe you aren't interested in discussion so much as you actually knew your position:
"his schemes are too complicated. our players aren't dumb. end of story, imo."
One football player after a game makes a statement. From that you seem to be justifying a stark polarity of opinion. It doesn't have to be black or white so to speak. Could it be that GR has made some mistakes but done a decent job with what he has? Maybe 3 dc's in 3 years is part of the issue along with depth and talent?
So, I'm not really sure what the point of the thread was in the end. Fire GR? I hope not. Change for sake of change is not a recipe for success.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Agree. Time for emotional||
Agree. Time for emotional outrage has past.
Either you can get out there and root for your team or just focus on other stuff until the team gets better.
On a different note,
This one too: wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
|6 years 42 weeks ago||While I can see some of your||
While I can see some of your points, I do not agree with:
4. All of the defensive players have quit trying;
5. The coaching staff has all of them completely confused;
On the subject of 4, the D line is working hard. You can't tell me Graham is taking plays off, nor is Martin or RVB. Warren certainly is working hard out there. I also think Kovacs for instance is busting his butt out there. Some of the players are not that effective (Kovacs,Mouton, Williams) but that's a different issue.
I also don't see #5 at all. There have been some (read: few) plays where we do look confused.... but 'all of them', no way. Graham doesn't look confused to me, he seems to know what he's doing.
I like Coach Sharik's writings as well. But I haven't gotten the impression he is saying GR is doing a poor job. In general my impression is Sharik thinks GR is doing reasonably well. The lack of depth, the youth and inexperience and lack of talent is the tale for the defense from what I have read. The only schematic element that seems questionable has been the cornerbacks alignment. Sometimes they are playing off the wr on the snap. CS sounds like he wouldn't do that so much.
I realize you are generalizing but I think Michigan football will rise and be a source of fun for ya again. (I'm not scolding ya, I saying hang in there). Right now it's rough, but every other program in the nation has gone through some sort of struggles at one time or another. We'll be back.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||"How about the inability to||
"How about the inability to recover an onside kick?"
Maybe Purdue made one helluva play? The kick was well placed and only their guy had a shot at that. Sometimes the other team makes a good play and it's not a deficiency on the part of your team.
Simply put, they made more plays than we did. Close game. Frustrating to lose.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||sounds good! Thanks for||
sounds good! Thanks for that.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Thank you for your post.||
(to Formerly Anonymous)
One question about your statement regarding the O line being probably worse next year. Could you please elaborate?
|6 years 42 weeks ago||"What else should be||
"What else should be considered?"
"The tenents of football are thus:
You've answered your own question. The real question is why are we losing? (What can we do to change things and start winning?)
a- it does take time to implement the 'good scheme'.
It's not that RR hasn't made mistakes. He has. It's simply a horrid confluence of factors. Any coach would need time to clear up this mess.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||There are more than two kinds||
There are more than two kinds of idiotic posts. : P
I think everyone knows that the L's go by RR's name in the books. The point is people are looking to see if there is any hope for improvement or not. I doubt any M fans are happy with the results on the field in terms of wins and losses.
There are indicators to suggest that there is reason for hope. I don't think that it is being an apologist or saying he is winning when his team is losing. Despite the misery of another big 10 loss, I do see a better future.... with RR at the helm.
I simply suggest that given time, things will get better. There are few guarantees, but our young team has talent and will improve. Depth will be added and we will compete.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Thank you Steve! After||
Thank you Steve! After reading many posts today that are so short-sighted and impatient, thank you for common sense and vision. I'm with ya on the hope that he gets at least 5 years.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||I hear ya. It's frustrating.||
I hear ya. It's frustrating. While I am not a fan of comparing a game to war, I get your point.
But the charts and garbage you dismiss so lightly help explain the story as well. There's a confluence of choices and events that add up to deficiencies on our team. I don't think they excuse the poor performance on the field but they do at least help us make some sense out of it. They also point to the possible solutions to get us back to winning.
1 Conference win? Yeah... wow... that's heavy. I don't like that stat, but it is what it is. I want us to get better and that's gonna take time. I'm all in... even if right now it's disappointing.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Thanks for breaking out your||
Thanks for breaking out your BS detector! Otherwise I'd fall for such reasonable thinking as having talented players and depth on defense is important to winning college football games! : D
|6 years 42 weeks ago||"...but if he loses||
"...but if he loses out....well, let's say that I don't know what's gonna happen."
If M loses out we'll be 5-7 and no bowl game.
As fans, we'll be disappointed, cranky and bah humbugging while watching other team's bowl games.
Or maybe we can enjoy M hockey and bb while hoping for a solid recruiting class despite a tough year. Or maybe we'll look back fondly at Bo's time and realize how damn lucky we have been to be so good for so long and that winning football, while desired, is earned and not a god given right.
Either way, it seems fairly obvious win v. OSU or no, RR will be coach next year.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||No one likes the losing. The||
No one likes the losing. The bottom line result is disappointing.
On D, I thought the second quarter actually went reasonably well. Their opening drive looked scary. Purdue only got 3 after that in the first half. Yeah, I watched the whole game.
I'm not sure why people would expect things to change defensively at this point in the year. Our D is what it is.
Still, it was nice to see Fitzgerald in today. I saw a couple plays early on where he seemed to jump through the window and make a play.
The return to success is going to take time and the struggles are part of the process to getting back to where we want to be. I still think RR will succeed but it's not easy to watch the misses.
|6 years 42 weeks ago||Agree with Belch. The topic||
Agree with Belch. The topic of the thread is pretty dull and really just clutters better content thread possibilities.
As for points, well it's not the first time there's been a mega shift in MGopoints. Mods can do what they want.
Every site needs a wise guy who occasionally brings down the house with laughs. So he's rude at times. Big deal. We're all big kids, right? There are also times he makes good points even if I don't always agree with him. Just take it with a grain of salt.
So, why worry about the points, it's all small potatoes in the end. (Obviously, one of the 'Kool Boyz' likes Belch). : P
Hey without the guy, who'd be around to bully the newbs and small timers with witty banter and biting criticisms. Everyone needs that right?
|6 years 43 weeks ago||Wow! Thank you for this||
Wow! Thank you for this diary. Excellent job!
|6 years 43 weeks ago||Fervent exchange of ideas?||
Fervent exchange of ideas? That's what you call some of the emotional blather people began writing about firing the coaches and the 'unacceptable' rants? Threads were mushrooming over and over again without any thought. People were just ranting. The situation was just a little out of control.
The problem is that a number of people aren't trying to exchange ides, they are simply vomiting their emotional drivel after a disappointing loss of a football game. That is not discourse.
Hey nobody likes losing but people need to calm down and breathe.
|6 years 46 weeks ago||Thanks GS for your insight||
Thanks GS for your insight and depth of knowledge. As just a regular fan, I really appreciated your understanding of the game and your patience explaining things. It was good to have a rational voice in the sea of last year's difficult season for M.
Best of luck with your coaching future and this year's team. We were fortunate to have your input. You'll be missed.
|6 years 46 weeks ago||Thanks for posting. I||
Thanks for posting. I haven't been to other Big 10 ten stadiums other than visiting (OSU) during off-season. Very interesting to hear your take on the venues and the fans.
My experience with fans is that the Iowa people were very hospitable and fun to be around (Rose Bowl game during the 80's).
Sounds like you had a good trip outside the Loss.
|6 years 46 weeks ago||Thank you for the post!||
Thank you for the post! Indeed better days ahead!
|6 years 46 weeks ago||Good points. The fellas||
Good points. The fellas played hard and never quit. This will translate to W's in the near future. I'm behind this team 110%.
|6 years 46 weeks ago||Wooooo! Go USA!||
Wooooo! Go USA!
|6 years 46 weeks ago||Woolfolk did look good out||
Woolfolk did look good out there. A step forward perhaps at least at the CB position. Thought GR did a good job tonight.
|6 years 46 weeks ago||Still kinda amazed we had a||
Still kinda amazed we had a chance to win at the end. This was not a game we were expected to win. Yet, there we were. I'm proud of the team for playing hard and not giving up.
|6 years 47 weeks ago||I'd say M has 60% chance of||
I'd say M has 60% chance of winning
+5 b/c team has gotten first road game under belt
Our O line needs to be more effective and we need to run the ball.
I think we'll surprise some people next week!
|6 years 47 weeks ago||In reference to the should||
In reference to the should people be upset?
Emotionally? Yes and a little no. It's not fun to see your team get pushed around in the trenches and be beat on 3rd and long often. It's not fun to see Cousins make plays with his feet. OTOH, limiting State's scoring is actually pretty impressive though. Our red zone D seems to be fairly effective.
Rationally? Not so much. While you cite compelling reasons on the surface, I would ask this: What did you expect to happen?
Empirically what would lead you to believe that we wouldn't give up 400+ yards to MSU? They have a good offense. They have been putting up yards this year and we've been giving yards up. Many people were expecting a shoot out of sorts before the game.
Yes, the 3rd down play and some of the tackling was frustrating. But we have known the D was thin on depth since before the season started. We had awful tackling last year and have some of the same players. I actually think our tackling is better relative to last year. This defense is growing and will get better. How much better? I don't know, but I do know that you will see the problems you outlined to some degree the rest of the year. As others have said, we're 4-1. That's pretty good all things considered.
Finally, we also saw last week v. IU that we had problems that weren't just limited to ND's prevalence of future NFL skill players. Now with MSU in the books, the pattern is pretty evident.
|6 years 47 weeks ago||Well said. I'm far more||
Well said. I'm far more concerned with the offensive line and dropped passes. Defense did fine. They kept us in the game and gave us a chance to win.
|6 years 47 weeks ago||Defense was non-existent?||
Defense was non-existent? Yes, they gave up yards, but what was the half-time score? How do you account for Sparty only scoring 20 points in regulation?
I agree with ya on the talent points and also the Barwis observation. The boys do seem to step up defensively late in the game. My main thought for you to consider is that given how poorly the offense played early in the game, I find it amazing to think that MSU didn't blow us out with how they were dominating at some points in the game.
I don't believe we have a very good defense either but I do think they play hard and given what they have talent-wise, they are doing alright.
|6 years 47 weeks ago||Thanks for the input. Very||
Thanks for the input. Very reasonable thoughts and observations. I appreciate the outside perspective.
One thing that drew me to the diary was the title mentioned recalibrating our expectations. I think most expectations before the season were in the 6-6/7-5/8-4 range. I'm not sure that yesterdays game has done anything to change that.
We knew before the season, the defense would be thin and might struggle. We also had some questions about the O line and whether it could sustain it's late season growth from last year. The QB play has gone beyond expectations, but it takes time to put it all together. We are an exciting work in progress.
If you have been following the team all year long, I'm not sure how you could be thinking something beyond 7-5/8-4. Yeah, I'll admit a few passing thoughts of grandeur, but in reality, to rise from 3-9 takes a lot of things to change in a positive way and go right.
Because the team started out 4-0, I'll agree it's hard not to buy into the hype machine. After all, there we were ranked and Tate/the offense showed skills that sizzle. But Brian and other site gurus have been right on with their analysis so far. Reading between the lines, expectations needed to be tempered by the need for time to get all the pieces in place. Some pieces have not arrived yet (eg recruiting needs). I think the leap is for real and I'm glad we are moving in the right direction but we are simply not entirely 'back' yet.
Looking ahead, Purdue and Illinois would seem likely candidates for wins #6 and #7 (DSU is #5). But I'd agree that we are unlikely to win against OSU and PSU (though we have a small chance, right)? Wiscy is looking tougher than it did a few weeks ago.
Iowa? After the Arkansas St. performance, I am wondering a bit. Sure, the Hawkeyes probably slept walked through the Red Wolves game, but I think we do have a shot there. Iowa has not been very impressive to this point outside of their Happy Valley visit.
The hope is that we can play to 8-4 (obviously, would love better) but we'll see.
|6 years 47 weeks ago||Thank you for changing the||
Thank you for changing the diary minimum to 20 MGo pts.
You might consider a '50 point minimum' if the problem of people posting GoBoard thread topics in the diary section persists.
It appears that people don't take the time to sort out what each section is designed for at times. I don't think point minimums completely solves the problem, however, I do think it's a start.
KoB has an interesting point regarding the 'diary cannon' posters. Had to laugh at that one. Still, the moderator concept is a good one to consider down the line down the root out pesky trolls and poor quality 'diary drivel'.
The final part may be the base readership of this fine blog keeping an active eye out for quality work and supporting it while discouraging poor quality work. Readership quality control has been active here before and seems to be challenged some by the growth and popularity of the site over time. Adjusting to the larger following and greater flow of word traffic at Mgoblog may be akin to teaching Calculus to the Masses but anything is possible. Most people seem to want intelligent discourse about M football and CFB in general.
|6 years 47 weeks ago||Sparty played hard and so did||
Sparty played hard and so did we. That we had a shot a winning in OT was simply amazing after watching the whole game unfold. With six minutes to go I was feeling admittedly little discouraged, but the comeback was amazing. We are a work in progress that is fun to watch and moving in the right direction.
Good game today and I like our future. At 4-1, I'm ok with today. Sparty can have their moment. We have game and they'll be many victories in our future.
|6 years 47 weeks ago||I understand what you're||
I understand what you're saying in terms of disappointment. From what I could tell, Woolfolk appeared to playing with a shoulder injury.
IIRC, early in the game there was a personal foul called on Foreman of MSU when he hit Woolfolk high on his shoulder from behind. Details fuzzy but I believe Woolfolk left the field for a play in obvious discomfort. Does someone have more input/knowledge about this?
I'm not excusing the last play when he didn't take down Capers, but I think Woolfolk played through pain.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Tressel has done an excellent||
Tressel has done an excellent job for them. It's unrealistic to imagine that winning NC's is the only criterion for evaluating coaches. (How many schools have had a chance at 3 NC's let alone win 1 in the last 10 years? a. not many).
If NC's were the only measuring stick, almost all would be failures. OSU fans should be happy to have him and stop complaining so much.
Most schools would love to have a coach like Tressel.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||If you are down on Tressel||
If you are down on Tressel and Carroll, who would you say is 'special'? Is there any coach out there that is?
Was it John Wooden who said,"the best coach is the one with the best players?"
Btw, you are absolutely correct on the warm weather and hot chicks part for SC.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Agreed on the D comment but I||
Agreed on the D comment but I would extend also to the O line as well. The key point is lack of quality depth and the fact that some of the 'touted' Carr kids from '04-'05 recruiting classes weren't developing on the field to their ability level.
I think Coach Carr is great, but M was thin in terms of talent development (read: depth) post '07. Hart, Henne, Manningham, Long et al masked this to some extent. Mitchell and co. did not mature to the level of previous M generations of hog mollies.
If you consider the number of seniors playing significant roles last year, RR was dealt a pretty weak hand especially in terms of numbers. Contrast OSU's senior class last year vs. ours. Also, note how OSU just reloaded after losing quite a number of players. It's a pretty shocking difference.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Some thoughts about walk-ons||
Some thoughts about walk-ons and team culture going forward
Following the open competition thread, do you think maybe the coaches are trying to light the fire under say Fitzgerald, Demens or some of the other younger scholarship guys? Think in terms of investing in the future. By challenging them to fight for their spot, they are faced with adversity they may not be accustomed to dealing with. RR's wants to push them to do their best. In HS, they were BMOC's. Now they have to compete daily.
RR wants them to stay hungry and humble. A walk-on player is not going to have any false notions or sense of entitlements, he had to work for every moment of time he gets. This will make an impression on the younger players, frosh particularly. So, the walk-ons are going to push the other guys and their presence helps set the tone at practice in particular. Wasn't it Barwis who said you rise to the level of your preparation? I think the WVa coaches are used to scrappy, tail busting athletes who fight for their job. Didn't Beilein also give minutes to walk-ons in bb too?
If they made the 2 deep, then we could assume the young scholarship guys are simply not ready. However, an alternative is that the walk-ons actually get the system and the spirit the coaching staff is trying to establish. Further, they may be fully committed and 'all in'. While probability suggests that scholarship and rated players coming from high school will have a more significant impact during their career, it can take time to adjust to the college game. Consider Newsome the PSU QB. Or consider that Tate is exceptional and not the rule. As M has many younger players on the roster, their time may not be just yet. While they are developing, why not fill the 2 deep with guys who play with determination and heart.
As has been stated previously, the jump from 3-9 to say 7-5 or 8-4 is a big jump. Given the cupboard was considerably bare last year, I'm thinking RR just doesn't want to wait for another recruiting cycle to fill it... he wants to turn over every stone to find guys who are all in and will run through walls for him.
As an example, some may feel that Leach may is not that 'good' but it looked to me like he hustled and played through every down. Given the short notice of the suspension, I think Leach did pretty well under the circumstances. I realize in the long run we want stud muffin lb's, but I do like to see guys bust their tail and play hard.
In summary, the walks-ons appear to be playing a significant role in developing the team culture, RR and coaches are developing.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Disturbing story about this||
Disturbing story about this Stapleton guy. I suppose everyone has an 'agenda', but some seem particularly disturbing.
Yet, M's current 3-0 record helps quiet the storm. Also, if this angle is true then 'outing' and 'exiting' the culprit lessens their political capital. So, things should be 'smoother' from here on out, right?
Martin and RR should be fine if the team keeps winning. Despite the mud that has been slung... they are doing better with each week (and W).
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Go Tigers! Hope you get to||
Go Tigers! Hope you get to use those playoff tickets. Recent games have left me on edge.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Kudos, sir, kudos!||
Kudos, sir, kudos!
|6 years 49 weeks ago||well said. Very exciting||
well said. Very exciting news.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Sorry to hear about that.||
Sorry to hear about that. RIP.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Indiana is an important test||
Indiana is an important test I suppose in the sense that every game counts and you have to play them one at a time. And yes, it's another opportunity to see the players in action and see their growth/learning in action.
In the OP it was stated:
Overall, I liked the thread idea... 'getting excited about playing IU.' But I think it's clear that our team is heading in the right direction and is better overall. The real question is whether they will answer the bell and get another rung back up the ladder by winning the conference opener. I agree with you, I would like to see the team continue to put the pieces together and dominate the Hoosiers.
The really hard part is not looking past IU to East Lansing. Seeing how tough MSU played ND and that it's our first road game, I would be concerned that the players aren't thinking ahead. But then again, the coaching staff is doing a great job, so I think we'll roll v. IU.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||ASU was 'back to back to||
ASU was 'back to back to back' Nat'l Champs at their level. They were hardly a typical FCS team. No horror will happen with DSU.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Why would they pass when they||
Why would they pass when they could run for that much? EMU simply couldn't stop the run. M wins going away.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Good read. Thanks for the||
Good read. Thanks for the link. Wojo seems to get it. Thought he did a good job.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Well said. I think it's also||
Well said. I think it's also somewhat expected at this point that the D will have some issues/growing pains. The fact that EMU's offensive production was barely around 100 yards for the second half as well as no score bodes well. GR and the D coaches appear to be making good adjustments at half time.
The fact that we are 3-0 and exciting to watch is beautiful. I think people need to appreciate how hard it is to rise from 3-9 to the top level. Even though the team is way better than last year, it does take time to improve to the level we'd all like M to be at.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Yeah after the half, EMU||
Yeah after the half, EMU really didn't do much. IIRC, you are correct, EMU had close to 200 yards in first half.
I think the D made enough adjustments to throw EMU off. We did force a few three and outs in the 2nd half. Oddly, EMU didn't seem to pick on Cissoko like I thought they might and Warren looked great. I was expecting them to show more of a passing attack.
I'm hoping the 85 total yards in the 2nd half is attributable to the coaches (and our players) doing a good job and not EMU just floundering. (I.E. I want some hope that our D can adjust and grow to be more effective as the season goes on).
|6 years 49 weeks ago||"Up in back!" Good one. :D||
"Up in back!" Good one. :D
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Agreed. Watching Cousins and||
Agreed. Watching Cousins and co. in action today... I think MSU will be very tough hill to climb. Can't even think about PSU at this point.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Yeah, it's fun to watch this||
Yeah, it's fun to watch this team, but we aren't there yet as others have said.
The great thing about our start is that it alleviates some of the anti Rich Rod chatter. With continued growth, we'll win enough to get to a decent bowl game and then be in a position next year to make another leap forward. The key point is that by winning, RR will ensure he is around long enough to do his thing. Really like the direction the team is going.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Yeah I hear ya on that one.||
Yeah I hear ya on that one. Flanigan was pressing him alot on that line of questioning. For whatever reason, he just wanted to deflect that.
I don't see what would be wrong with him saying, "Yeah, it feels great. We beat MSU at home for the first time in '93. I'm glad we won."
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Guessing they were riding||
Guessing they were riding Cousin's hot hand. Wasn't he like 5-5 before he missed that throw in the end zone to Capers?
With Tenuta's blitz calls, I think you choices would have made more sense, given they just needed a fg for the tie in the event they didn't get paydirt to force OT. The forced ball into coverage was a poor decision.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||I'm not sure who looks more||
I'm not sure who looks more crazed... D'Antanio or their defensive co-ordinator.
Either way... another exciting MSU tussle that results in a "L". Really hoping we beat them when we go to EL.
Btw, I noticed Sparty plays WMU later in the year. Wouldn't it be amazing if we beat MSU and WMU did too? Losing to 3 teams in state in one year, now how would Sparty spin that one?
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Well said. Add to that EMU is||
Add to that EMU is now 0-3. The talk about EMU playing hard for four quarters will fade away and English's stock as head coach will stagnate unless EMU picks up a few W's along the way. It's a tough job to start with, but I wish English GL in the future.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Agreed. Nebraska was playing||
Agreed. Nebraska was playing VT and came down to the final ticks. Hard to fault Huskers much there. I think we are behind them in the rankings still.
As for the top 25 movement, EMU is 0-3... not sure M beating EMU will sway voters across the country. Howeva, in general, after last year, I'm just happy to see us at 3-0.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||I see your point on the ND||
I see your point on the ND nightmare redux scenario... still at the end of the day... Sparty coming up short is pretty sweet too!
We'll have a battle when we go up to EL in a couple of weeks.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Sparty found a way!||
Sparty found a way! Phew...for a minute there I thought Cousins was going to win the game for them. Sparty NO! indeed!
|6 years 49 weeks ago||We all know the offense has||
We all know the offense has been fun to watch so far. But after reading your post and Brian's UFR amidst other comments, I am inspired.
We are only two games into the season. Yet, as you sagely observed, the receivers are catching better, RR has expanded the TE's role, the blitz pickups are pretty solid. I'd toss in the obvious trio of Tate's emergence, Minor's good health, and D-Rob's potential. Add it all up and viola... it's a season with a magnificent sense of wonder sprayed all over it. Who knows where it will take us, but what a fun ride/experience it looks to be.
I never would have imagined all of that would come together so quickly.
Kudos to RR. The man knows his business and can coach. Glad we have him.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Good point. It would be nice||
Good point. It would be nice to see Stevie put the pieces together this year and have a solid season.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||I'm a little surprised the||
I'm a little surprised the guy responded to you, particularly in the fashion he did. Sounds like you got under his skin.
You'd think he'd gotten a thicker skin after 20 years! I love the 'Pulitzer' comment. Must mean that all of his apples make applesauce so to speak.
Then again, desperate times require desperate measures. These days the Freep probably is just thankful for your interest negative or positive.... after all he did say... "Thanks for reading."
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Jim Rome is at times||
Jim Rome is at times entertaining ... but not really important in the scheme of things. (Now a case might be made for the other Rome of course...).
RR made a choice and he has his reasons for not announcing any action or suspending Mouton. I don't know what the team might have said or done behind the scenes in private so to speak. I'm not convinced RR owes anyone on the outside an explanation. It's an 'in house' matter.
Watching the clip of the incident:
I'm curious how often the Big10 hands out suspensions like this and whether they 'screen all games'.
My guess is that Charlie was not just talking big when he had in mind to send game tape to the conference when his went on his 'not blaming the officiating' binge. After all, Charlie is a man who makes 'no excuses' for the officiating.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Nice! It's the unexpected||
Nice! It's the unexpected moments and directions of the comments that brighten the day. +1
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Bravo! I hear ya. First half||
Bravo! I hear ya. First half v. CMU was a revelation. Particularly given the uncertainty going in and the tight game, the win over ND just felt so good... Saturday was truly cathartic.
The team is a joy to watch. There will likely be some rough patches but the play is advanced from last year. It's fun to not be sure what is going to happen next. I'm very glad we have RR too.
I think I've watched the game ending sequence Brian posted 4 or 5 times now. It just keeps getting better! The key is just giving RR the chance to do his work. I think the way the season has started has helped immensely.
Can't wait for EMU either! Thanks for posting!
|6 years 49 weeks ago||hmmm... I seem to recall that||
hmmm... I seem to recall that Ron Mexico used to carry a water bottle when he went through the airport. Was this guy packing h2o when ya saw him?
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Valid points citing the UFR.||
Valid points citing the UFR. I was concerned about the defense after ND game. I suppose the false hope that ND's uber offense was making plays sounded better than the alternative (i.e. M having issues on D).
Either way, I plan to enjoy the season and see where the ride takes us. I think all of us want to see lots of wins.
At this point I'd say let people predict away. Just keep in mind that when it began people were thinking 7-maybe 8 wins would represent a good step forward. Anything beyond that is good gravy. Point being that if the team falls short of 9-10 wins or better, I'm still happy to see us relevant and winning again. RR has us on the right track.
|6 years 49 weeks ago||Agreed that games appear more||
Agreed that games appear more winnable now. I'll be interested in seeing if the offense can maintain its production when it hits the Big 10 games. I'd love it if the first two games represent what we'll see each time out.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Why not just sit back and||
Why not just sit back and enjoy the ride. This team is fun and they'll be writing their story one week at a time...... let's see what happens v. EMU.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Coach Weis, "I won't complain||
Coach Weis, "I won't complain about the holding calls. I guess you could technically say this was holding but I have to watch what I say since I've got another big 10 crew coming in this weekend..."
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Living in Georgia, I get to||
Living in Georgia, I get to experience the spectacle that is the SEC.
I don't have a particular favorite, but it's nice to see LSU (Miles) and Auburn (several friends are big fans) win some games. I do like football and they can put on a good show and their fans are quite an experience.
A lot of family went to UVA, so that would be the #2 school, but really at the end of the day....
There is Michigan.... nothing else really matters.....
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Hey, I live in ATL. Ya know||
Hey, I live in ATL. Ya know you can't have it both ways (ie 1 and 2). It's gotta be either Tech or UGA. (Just kiddin btw. :P ).
Due to UGA's success in recent years, I'm naturally more partial to Tech... get tired of the Woof woofing and the proverbial sea of red and black flooding towards Athens on game days.
It'll be interesting a few years down the line to see if Bill Curry can get anything going at Georgia State. They're just starting up a football program there. Eventually, I'm hoping that GSU might be enticing enough keep the Heywards of the world from heading to places like OSU... grrrrrr. Of course, the better solution would be for them to go to M instead. : P
|6 years 50 weeks ago||ND and Toledo... I think ND||
ND and Toledo... I think ND is going to be too much for State with their offense. Hard to imagine Cousins and co. keeping up with the Domers based on what ND has done so far.
The Toledo bid is just a wing and a prayer. Can't imagine OSU dropping that one to the Rockets but you can always hope. Tressell seems reluctant to cut Pryor lose, so maybe that'll leave the door open for Toledo but I doubt it.
Starting in 2010, I'd really like to see the Big 10 regain it's swagger, but for this year I just want to see M regain the top level in the B10 and win alot. Winning is so cathartic.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Good thoughts. Concur with||
Concur with the extinguish all hope early thought v. EMU. A big early lead and a comfortable win would provide opportunities for the four things listed above to take place. I think the trick is to take it one game at a time (ie not worry about State or even IU yet).
I also have concerns about the D, but one silver lining in the D performance is that we won't see an offense like ND's for a while.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||I'd be surprised if his food||
I'd be surprised if his food budget doesn't get dinged by the NCAA after that performance. Why not just tell us what ya really think about the officiating, Weis?
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Thank you for the insight.||
Thank you for the insight. Was wondering about this.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Agreed Biaka. State will be||
Agreed Biaka. State will be ready to go b/c it is M coming to town. It doesn't even really matter how they fare against ND next week. Sparty will be hungry to beat us.
Howeva, I still think we have a chance for a 'W' in EL no matter how much their wagons are circled.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||As an old timer, I have to||
As an old timer, I have to admit that I'm more partial to the band playing the music. I tend to side with Brian regarding the piped in music.
But yeah, the crowd sounded really loud on the radio and also the tv even. The Rawk music seems to have hit a chord with many fans by appearances. A few crowd shots I saw seemed to show people pretty amped up during it.
In general though, there was definitely an energetic pulse in the Big House. I think both the players and the fans are hungry for success. The way the team is playing, it's simply great to watch. The student section appeared to be going absolutely bananas. Good times. Wish I had been there.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Good points JG! I like the||
Good points JG! I like the thought on working young players in the mix and even just getting them on the field. Plus on the DR points as well.
Question: Does anyone have a read on Emelin not playing?
I realize it must be hard for most frosh to jump right in and swim so to speak. There is a big transition from high school to college for many players. So EMU and perhaps IU are very nice to see on the schedule before we go to E.L.
6) The O line will get more game reps in so they reclaim the mojo they were brewing toward the end of last season. I'm very curious to see what Brian's O UFR reveals about the O line blocking v. ND. After reading the UFR v. WMU, I came away with the impression that the O line was not clicking on all cylinders but did alright. I would love to see the big guys take a giant step forward.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Wooo! Go Tate! This is a||
Wooo! Go Tate! This is a happy day: Glad to see articles about M that are positive and fun to read.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||WOOO WOOOO! Well stated||
WOOO WOOOO! Well stated point by point, sir! Indeed, it is a glorious day.
The last minute loss while expecting victory part was particularly insightful. I can't recall a day quite like this. Go Blue!
Footnote: do ya'll consider Minnesota a rival too, or not?
|6 years 50 weeks ago||forgot about DG reference in||
forgot about DG reference in your post. He's exciting. Very glad he's coming to M.
IMHO, DG will surely be red-shirted next year. The coaching staff will have the option to bring him along slowly and polish his skills b/c we have Tate and DR. Barring injury, there won't be a need to rush him into things.
There was no such option this year with Tate. To his credit and M fans delight, TF has responded to the opportunities. It's amazing to imagine how good this kid has performed so far. There's no reason to think he won't keep doing well that I can see.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Yeah, I hear ya. The||
Yeah, I hear ya. The respectability issue is so overblown by the media at the moment. I guess it makes good copy and talking points for the writers and announcers.
As for today:
It's early in the season and until B10 teams 'win' more big profile games, I suppose the media will keep pushing the topic to fill up the airspace.
All said, I'm just glad we won today!
|6 years 50 weeks ago||I have to say that Irish is||
I have to say that Irish is welcome here. His posts are quality and I enjoyed reading his takes on this game. Keep postin' Irish. Good win for us today but ND did look pretty darn good too!
|6 years 50 weeks ago||IMHO, Forcier has shown on||
IMHO, Forcier has shown on the field the past two games that he is the man for the foreseeable future.
We'll need DR to develop as a QB. It's good to have some depth obviously and his play-making talent is tantalizing.
Given Tate has 6 months in the system in front of DR and has played very well, I would not imagine any changes barring injury over the course of this year at least.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||againstith||
Maybe Holtz was writing the byline anonymously?
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Thanks! : D||
Thanks! : D
|6 years 50 weeks ago||On TV (and Sirius radio) the||
On TV (and Sirius radio) the Big House sounded loud today. The energy was electric over the airwaves.
I like the intent behind the post. The Freep has just absolutely lost it's way.
I do think however the team effort and unity was present before the Freep article. Maybe I'm naive, but I actually do think RR is a coach who builds a family environment and cares for his players. I think the M team we see on the field is a product of hard work and the coaches and players being "all in for M".
I do wonder if the real impact of the article was to fire up the fan base. Either way, I loved the student section and other fans chanting "Rich Rodriguez" during the WMU game and today's victory goes a long way to resolving issues within the rank and file M fan base. Winning really is so cathartic.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Awesome post! Big smile on||
Awesome post! Big smile on the Bo Bobblehead concept.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Amen to the 'beat Sparty'||
Amen to the 'beat Sparty' point!
ND showed up and played hard. Like the Coach said... 'glad we made one more play.' That was a classic game today.
There'll be smiles in South Bend on upcoming Saturdays. Go Irish next week!
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Great win today. I think the||
Great win today. I think the UFR will help make some sense of things, but ND looks like they have a good offense. 490 and 34 sounds bad and Cissoko struggled mightily, but I'm thinking that's more about ND's O maturing and playing well rather than M being terrible on D.
The depth issues have been well chronicled here, but ND's blocking on O seemed much better than I thought it would be and Allen was running into open spaces. Other than a few plays, our tackling seemed better than last year. It just seemed challenging to get consistent pressure on Clausen. Given time, he's pretty effective.
Thinking the D side will sort itself out barring major injury given we won't face an experienced qb like Clausen for quite a while.
|6 years 50 weeks ago||Barkley and Forcier both||
Barkley and Forcier both seemed to have an uncanny cool with the game on the line. The stat lines are a place to start comparison I suppose, but the game winning drives were phenomenal. Neither QB expressed any seeming nerves or fear.
They're just 2 games into their careers... either way, I'm so happy we have Forcier. During the game today, I just was impressed by what this kid can do. Forcier and the O stepped up and made plays.