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|18 hours 34 min ago||My annoying cousin who was a||
My annoying cousin who was a non-sports fan for his entire life and jumped on the Dantonio bandwagon at age 30 even though he didn't attend MSU (oh no! Speedway Sparty!) has tried the last two years to talk me into going to the UM-MSU game when it's in EL, and I'm sure he'll be back at it in 2016. I don't know how many times I can emphasize that it's simply not happening before he'll finally drop it. I was there for the 1997 and 2009 games, and that's enough for me. I've been to games at every B1G stadium except Indiana, Iowa, and the three most recent additions, I've been to professional venues all over the country, and MSU fans are hands down the worst fucking people in American sports, win or lose. The inferiority complex is just unquenchable.
|2 days 15 hours ago||I think the primary||
I think the primary difference is that plenty of people here are willing to acknowledge that the interview was a disaster...as interviews go. What has many of your fellow travelers over at 11W miffed is that we aren't acknowledging that it's some disaster for the entire Michigan football program that you guys so desperately want it to be, because it isn't and that's a stupid, overdramatic viewpoint.
|1 week 1 day ago||Until I have more||
Until I have more information, I can't just slam Coach for this. Show me where the benefit to Harbaugh is. He does not free up a scholarship for any point after this year, and Michigan is not over the limit this year, as I understand. NT-size dudes don't just fall off trees, so I don't see the point in getting rid of a healthy one unless you have to. Concussions and knee injuries can be the kiss of death for any career (especially a big man on the knee injuries), and he's dealt with both. Maybe it's possible he...really just can't play anymore? And I'm not calling him a liar by any means, I'm acknowledging that he's a young man and is obviously very competitive to have gotten to this point, and so the end of his career would of course be a very difficult thing to accept.
Now, you tell me about a fifth-year senior suddenly transferring in tomorrow, and I'll shut up and join the "Yeah, this is shady" bandwagon. But, unless I want to assume that Harbaugh just does pricky things to be a prick, which I certainly don't, then I need a nefariously beneficial motive before I accuse someone of being nefarious.
|1 week 4 days ago||HOT TAKE: I'm with the crowd||
HOT TAKE: I'm with the crowd that takes the nuanced view on Lloyd. I don't fault him for not switching to a "modern" offense. I do, however, fault him for fielding defenses that seemingly had no answer for a modern offense. I don't think he tried to screw RR. I don't think he tried to help him much either, though.
Carr will always be someone I associate with a happy time of my life (I was in eighth grade his first year as coach), and 1997-2000 in particular was a great time to be a Michigan fan. And, a little curtness with the media and a few eruptions on officials notwithstanding, Michigan would never be embarrassed by Lloyd Carr. No NCAA violations, no Coke ticket giveaways (that of course is on DB, not Hoke, but the on-field product helped make it happen), no apologizing to rival coaches for the gamesmanship of 20 year-olds. And, in fairness, he occasionally got some bad luck. Having Henson starting the UCLA game in 2000 maybe changes the season, provided of course that A-Train hangs onto the ball later that year in Evanston (and obviously the Purdue game was nuts, too). A Henson-led 2001 team probably starts Jim Tressel off 0-1 in The Game, thumps MSU far beyond Spartan Bob's ability to help, and possibly plays for a National Championship again. Shit happens, that's football, but the guy did seem snakebitten at times. Of course, some of that was also because he didn't like to deviate from the script much, and that's often how you make your own luck.
To me, though, the issue was that he was more a steward of Bo's program than a progenitor of his own. Yeah, they threw the ball under Carr a lot more than they did under Bo and Mo. But it does seem like he stagnated starting about 2001. And I think because that kind of dragged out for a long time, people got crazy expectations over how it was going to be once he was gone. And instead it got a lot worse. People tired of Carr's competitive losses to Tressel were now treated to RR's blowouts and Hoke's lone victory over Fickell and heartbreaking collapses against against Meyer. Having MSU establish itself as a Top 10 program under a spiteful jackass added another dick stomp. It wasn't always fun when he was here, but for the most part it hasn't been much fun since. It's been about a decade-long dark age when you count Lloyd's decline and the rollercoaster ride of his successors, but I think we're finally back on track. I hope.
|1 week 5 days ago||Cool paragraph about||
Cool paragraph about something I didn't say. I've never called anyone a troll for disagreeing with me. I called him a troll because his overzealous delivery makes his persona seem like a schtick
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Ah, an early-bird bang, just||
Ah, an early-bird bang, just as I'm about to hit the hay.
I expect at least one new commit to read about when I wake up in five hours.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Did he win a Super Bowl? No.||
Did he win a Super Bowl? No. But it's not like that's some easy thing, just ask...oh, the entire pantheon of former Buckeye QBs. But the guy did start the majority of his team's games in ten NFL seasons. I don't know if I'd call him a "star" per se, but I'm reasonably certain the OP is a troll anyway. In any case, by no means is he going to be mentioned with Montana, but he still had a more-than-solid career.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah, you must be a reale||
Yeah, you must be a reale hardcore hockeye fan, guye.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah, I hate Chicago. The||
Yeah, I hate Chicago. The whole city. That's it. I'm pretty sure most of my post was answering the 2009 New Blackhawk Fan of the Year attempting to belittle the Red Wings and had nothing to do with Chicago. The anecdote at the end was just to make a point about how incongruent it is to compare Lions fans to Blackhawks fans.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I love how all you guys have||
I love how all you guys have is "butthurt". You just won the Stanley Cup again, and you can't wait to come to a place full of Red Wings fans to talk about whose dynasty was "better", like it's not going to get argument. I'm pretty sure this wasn't a "Fuck Chicago" thread started by some bitter Detroit fan. Not to mention, "Hey, remember that Wings dynasty from several years ago? We're better than that now, right?", is kinda sad. It really looks like you had that one warming up in the bullpen for about six years.
Sparty On, Blackhawks fans!
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Ooh, I forgot to address that||
Ooh, I forgot to address that part. Is Duncan Keith the best defenseman today? Most likely. Does he deserve mention with Nicklas Lidstrom, best defenseman of a 15-20-year era? Hahahahah hell no.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Building a winner in the||
Building a winner in the salary cap era would be impressive if you had been one of the elite teams before the cap. Not one of the ones who had been dogshit for a decade prior and was johnny-on-the-spot with a bunch of high draft picks at precisely the time when that became the only way to build a team. As has already been pointed out, during the Red Wings' dynasty era, plenty of other teams were spending big. It wasn't some one-team arms race. Just because Chicago wasn't relevant doesn't mean Detroit had automatic dibs on every big free agent every year.
Belittle the Wings' streak all you want, but I know this: with salary caps, pro sports franchises' fortunes are now very cyclical. Win championships, then the core ages and drops off, not enough good prospects in the system = dark ages, years without playoffs. Then a few young, budding stars bubble up, fortunes steadily improve, a free agent move here and there, then those young guys hit maturity all at once and BAM - elite all over again. Every team that was dominant during the Wings' elite era (Colorado, Dallas, New Jersey), or was even just a one-time champ and/or frequent solid contender (St Louis, Philadelphia, NYR, Anaheim) has, at some point or another since, completely dropped off the map. They've had that dark age where they sucked for a few years and didn't even sniff the playoffs for a while. Detroit STILL never has. Have they been good enough to be considered a legit contender every year? No, and it's impossible to do so year in and year out (as Chicago will learn soon enough when the bill for these last few years comes due). But what the Wings also haven't done since then is bottom out, like everyone else has had to do at one point or another. Their "bottoming out" thus far has been a wild card spot. And looking at the pipeline, that's likely as bad as it's going to get before their next era as a contender.
As for comparing the Hawks to the Lions, what a joke. Of course there have been fan protests, that's what happens when there is utter mismanagement. But I would daresay the Lions have still been the most beloved franchise in Michigan the entire time. When I moved to Chicago to work on my post-grad in the fall of '04, all I ever got was, "Oh, man, you're from Michigan? The Lions and Tigers suck, brah!"
"Well, that's nice. The Pistons just won it all THIS YEAR."
"Oh, one title, big whoop, flash in the pan, brah!"
"Heh. The Red Wings just won their third in six years a couple years ago, and are still very much among the top teams in the league."
"Hockey??? HOCKEY? LOL who gives a fuck about hockey, brah?"
I can't tell you how many times I had that exchange. And now today here you are, the day after your third championship in six years, coming here to troll Wings fans. You guys are the NHL equivalent of MSU. Piss on your bandwagon fanbase.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||It's very exciting to||
It's very exciting to consider the possibility of him playing for the Wings next year, but we need to remember it was Babcock who left, not Holland. And no, that's not meant as a knock on the "hero who kept the playoff streak intact with nothing but a bucket of spare parts" or whatever people like to say, it's just noting the fact that he is not a fan of seeing brand-new Griffins playing for the big club. And even if Blashill were to want him, I imagine there would be a transition period before he is able to win battles like that against Holland.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||In Sparty logic, THAT will be||
In Sparty logic, THAT will be the disrespect, gamesmanship with OSU while praising MSU. There is no pleasing them! Which I am quite fine with.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Ugh, that man is such a||
Ugh, that man is such a fucking pissant.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||I agree, but we're just as||
I agree, but we're just as much to blame. Someone needs to launch denial of service attacks against Netflix, YouTube, Facebook, TMZ and Spotify, maybe that will get Americans to start actually demanding some accountability.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Well, I had TSSCI when I was||
Well, I had TSSCI when I was in the Army, and Secret in a later civilian contractor position. Good luck guessing which one I gave accurate information in, commies!
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Well, they've finally come||
Well, they've finally come around to acknowledging the fact that they have mostly non-alum fans, so they've shifted the goalposts. Now it's, "Well, Michigan fans are particularly trashy," something which they know is both juvenile and can't be quantified, and also, "Yeah, but Michigan non-alum fans will talk shit to MSU grads about how Michigan's a better school," which I've heard obvious total idiots say a handful of times in my life. If you want to base your opinion on one guy with a mullet you had an altercation with at the local small-town dive, fine, but that's what you should expect when slumming it, ya cheap bastard.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Great read, alum96, but man||
Great read, alum96, but man this is depressing. The pundits are pretty unanimous that we can expect the ass-kickings vs the rivals to continue even at home this year, next year they're back on the road, and it sounds like a personnel crater is approaching after that due to the small '14 and '15 classes. Ugh...is an annual influx of grad transfers really a reasonable expectation, or are we seriously looking at another half-decade before an entire season of Michigan football is truly an enjoyable experience? I mean, hell, all I heard in '12 and '13 was that '15 was the year to wait for...
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Kansas and Wisconsin are bad||
Kansas and Wisconsin are bad just because the typeface used for the state name is too big and looks cheap and tacky. Mississippi for celebration of treason. Ohio for everything.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Man, that is some serious||
Man, that is some serious potential. I know it's a bummer watching the sand run out of the hourglass with Pav and Hank and still only one Cup (Datsyuk has two, but in 2002 he was a rookie on a team of gods of a previous era, that wasn't "his" team like it is now), but, wow, future: Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Glendening, Ferraro, Jurco, Pulkkinen, Mantha, Athanasiou, Larkin, all under 27. That is some forward depth, with guys like Abdelkader and Helm still with hopefully long careers ahead. I still think they could use a couple more defensemen, but between the forwards and Mrazek I'm thrilled for the Aprils, Mays, and hopefully Junes to come.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Very simplistic, but I've||
Very simplistic, but I've been saying to out-of-staters for a long time...Lake Huron if you want to chill, Lake Michigan if you want to party. Not saying you can't chill on the Michigan side or that Huron is devoid of people, just saying there are a lot more small resort towns that tend to be busy and may or may not have casinos on the west side (South Haven, Grand Haven, Muskegon, Pentwater, Ludington, Manistee, TC, Charlevoix, Boyne, Petoskey, etc) as opposed to the east. Although it's been years since I've been to Huron so it may have developed more. We typically go to my Dad's place at Higgins Lake to relax, or to somewhere on the Lake Michigan shore.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||God, I can still remember||
God, I can still remember walking up to the stadium before the Syracuse game and, even as an eleventh-grader, I was like, "You gotta be shitting me". Unfortunately it wasn't even the most awful thing I saw that day...
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Well, I really hope people||
Well, I really hope people take that under advisement.
not so slight /s
|6 weeks 3 days ago||I don't give him TOO much||
I don't give him TOO much credit for his two Olympic golds. Peruse the roster of the Canadian teams from the past two Olympics, then read the numerous articles about who they had to snub. Canada could have iced two teams in 2010 and 2014, and both would have been medal favorites. A lot of coaches could have won gold with those lineups. He had a big hand, sure, but so did Steve Yzerman in selecting personnel.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Where did I say he gets no||
Where did I say he gets no credit? I just said let's be honest, they didn't have to beat anyone that tough to get to the finals, and they didn't. I'm not saying they couldn't have beaten San Jose or Anaheim if they'd had to, but they didn't have to.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||I'm not heartbroken by any||
I'm not heartbroken by any means. I think his act had grown stale with this group and it was time to move. And, like I said on the other thread, there have been some frustrating playoff collapses. I am not saying Mike Babcock is not a very good coach, he is possibly the best in hockey today. He and Ken Holland both share blame, I'm just not sure who has more. I am simply saying if you take a truly objective look at the playoffs from his time in Detroit, here is what you get:
2006 - after splitting first four games with Oilers, whiffed on chance to assert authority in Game 5 at home, falling behind 3-0 before losing 3-2. Had 2-0 lead going into 3rd period in Game 6, 4-goal implosion ensued. President's Trophy-winning team knocked out in first round
2007 - fluke goal produced massive turning point in Game 5 of WCF against Ducks, lost in six games. I don't fault Babcock much for that one. Wings had to be exhausted after ridiculous travel from six-game series vs Calgary and then San Jose before yet another distant foe in Anaheim. It's unfortunate, I think this was really the best Wings team of his tenure
2008 - THE CUP! However, let's be objective...thanks to upsets, highest-seeded team Wings had to play in the West was Dallas at #5. Pens in Finals were East #2, but were also a young team that were really still one more year away
2009 - led Anaheim 3-2 in second round, could not finish in Game 6 (get ready for this to be a theme), but did gut out Game 7 win at home. Beat Chicago in 5 games in WCF series with lots of OT (like Pens previous year, this very young team was also not quite ready for prime time). Had Pens on the ropes in finals after 5-0 beating in Game 5, could not close out. Completely flat-footed in Games 6 and 7, both losses
2010 - led Phoenix 3-2, could not close out in Game 6. Stomped them in their building in Game 7, but objectively, Coyotes were vastly inferior. Absolutely dominated by Sharks in second round, falling behind 3-0 in series before Franzen decided to turn up with a four-goal outburst in Game 4. Put out of misery in Game 5
2011 - after sweeping Phoenix in first round, again fell behind 3-0 to Sharks in second, albeit in much tighter games (two of them in OT) than previous year. Battled back very admirably to tie series at 3-3, but seemed to come out a little uninterested for start of Game 7. Season over
2012 - utterly dominated by fucking Nashville Predators in five games in first round
2013 - very impressive seven-game upset of Ducks in first round. In fact, the only truly impressive Wings playoff series victory in over half a decade. Led Chicago 3-1 in second round, could not close out in Game 5 or 6, quite predictably lost Game 7 in OT
2014 - seemed content to rest on laurels of surprising road victory in Game 1 at Boston. Bruins largely dominated the next four games
2015 - yes, Mrazek stole Game 1, something a hot goalie will do once or twice in a series. In Game 4, with chance to take 3-1 series lead, Wings had 2-0 lead with seven minutes remaining and blew it, had been playing "prevent D" for much of 3rd period. Lost in OT. Rebounded in Game 5, but once again could not close out a team in Game 6 at home, and once again could not get over the hump in the resulting Game 7
His teams were also 9-13 in playoff OT, which was kind of frustrating.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||I don't know if it's so much||
I don't know if it's so much not getting talent as it was keeping it in GR too long. Five years ago all I read about was how loaded the Wings' farm system was. Did those guys all bust, or have they simply not had their chances to shine yet?
|6 weeks 3 days ago||I agree with this somewhat.||
I agree with this somewhat. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but there have been some big swings and misses in the time since Scotty, Stevie, and Jim Nill left the front office.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||They may well be friends away||
They may well be friends away from JLA, but it's always sounded the last few years like there's been quite a bit of friction over personnel.