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- Zak Irvin took a big step last year vs the prior year. But he is basically the same player as last year. I give him the benefit of the doubt because he lost much of his summer ot injury.
- Derrick Walton is just a guy to me. Monte Morris is a far superior floor general. Walton is plus at nothing but rebounding. And I dont know if that is because he is a good rebounder or the way the team is set up - a guy like Burke looked like a plus rebounder too but that is because it seems like we try to tie up big guys and then let our guards rebound. But whatever - the team does not run efficiently with him which is the #1 part of being a PG. He has not improved from last year - he is the same guy.
- Aubrey Dawkins took a huge step back. Last February he looked like a potential breakout player - a Caris 2.0 type. He came back as a guy disinterested in defense, and lacking intensity. He looks like a guy who we will read next September "I thought I had made it and didnt put in the work over the summer". So not only progressession but regression.
- MAAR made some progression but has holes in his game. But not massive progression.
- Kam Chartman is a complete bust at this time. Guys his ranking are expected to be debating whether to go to the NBA after 2 years, not contemplating whether he will be a role player in his year 3 - or even be at Michigan next year. No progression (or for Maize colored glasses folks small progression from a floor buried 40 feet underground his freshman year)
- Big guys take time to develop but Doyle at least looked like a promising bruiser last year - he has regressed. There is nothing added to his game. He looks slower, and with worse hands.
- Big guys take time but DJ Wilson is a total non factor. He looked lost last year and he looks just a bit less lost this year. I dont see this ohh ahh athleticism. Guys with his body frame and supposed skill are guys who pop in their second year all across college basketball. He is just a bench guy who you hope the other team doesnt go on a 14-2 run agains when he is in.
- DRob does not have a valid year over year comparison since he was at another level of bball last year but he has in year progression and it is negative. Now I doubt that is all on him - teams focus on him now and he hasnt handled it well.
|3 hours 26 min ago||Short versionDoesn't matter||
Doesn't matter much. Talent on the field is 80% of the battle. The talent level is pretty stagnant when you see U17s U19s etc. I see U.S. as always a "hard working, fit" team that lacks the techical individual ablitity except for one offs here or there. You need to cluster a generation of them together and even then (see Belgium past few years) it's no guarantee.
Higher level soccer the way it is designed in America is a sport for the middle class to upper middle class to rich. To get the training at higher level clubs and 10 months of soccer and be seen you have to shell out good money. There are probably dynamic talents out there playing in inner cities in Houston or LA that will never be found or developed by US Soccer because these kids never get into the reaches of the clubs.
In other countries it is like basketball here - a way out of bad socieeconomic conditions. They find the talent somehow (I don't know how it works comprehensively in Brazil or Argentina or Columbia or every country) But Europe is very top down in terms of funding and South American countries just seem random with a plethora of kids playing and random ones finding their way through. U.S. is driven from bottom up but only kids in the right economic conditions.
I once looked at the hometowns of all the ladies on the women's national team. All except 2 hailed from places with average income that would be equivalent to MI terms to Troy, Novi, Rochester Hills, Canton. All areas that just so happen to have a lot of clubs in MI. It's not by chance. I doubt more than 50 kids in the entire city of Detroit play high end travel soccer and pay $3-$4-$5K a year. So you exclude all those kids, and all the "not upper middle class" kids across every major city in the country with our system of development.
It'sa broken system. I marvel at what Iceland did once I researched it. Maybe at some point we band together 3-4 Pulisics at once and can be at the outer edge of top 10 in men's but seems more a matter of random luck than any system in place like Germany has for sustained excellence.
That said, the hex is set up for US to get to the WC and do their normal thing. Woo hoo.
|3 hours 38 min ago||Both teams had to run a||
Both teams had to run a methodical drive - one needed to do it to score, one just needed to do it to kill clock. We had the much easier apple and orange in fact. And could not.
I used that as BUT one example of many. You need an offense that can protect a lead. And get a few first downs mostly milking the clock on the ground in close games. That was the driving point. Speight was more or less the whole offense. Once he started missing the short to mid range passes the offense went kaput. And not just this game.
If we literally had 2 first downs in the fourth quarter I think we win that game. That would have wiped off about 2-3 minutes of game time.
|3 hours 43 min ago||Upvoted for waiting 1.5 years||
Upvoted for waiting 1.5 years to do your first post.
If only I had so much patience myself. I waited 1.5 seconds after creating my account.
|3 hours 45 min ago||Not going to publicize it in||
Not going to publicize it in a forum like this but "a big one" in Metro Detroit. One of the top 10 roughly in the state. (Bottom end of the top 10, not top end) :) Not Nationals Hawks/Wolves, Jags Vardar - one in the tier just below those.
|4 hours 14 min ago||Swim lanes are just a gateway||
Swim lanes are just a gateway drug.
You should see the "swim lanes" MGrowOld has in his backyard...
|4 hours 16 min ago||"Fortunately, OSU will suffer||
"Fortunately, OSU will suffer significant early entry attrition."
We said that last April too. And it happened. Probably the most early attrition in CFB history to 1 team?
And we still lost the next year. Sigh,
Gotta get it done on the field somehow someway when Luke Fickell is not the head coach...
|4 hours 20 min ago||Michigan has the better wins||
Michigan has the better wins of course. Michigan also has a worst loss. The head to head IMO was close enough that like OSU vs UM you could argue the teams were very equal. And I think Wiscy showed in the 2 games vs OSU and UM they were within spitting range of those teams - if they play 10 times maybe one team wins 4 and the other 6 or vice versa.
Not saying they are better. Saying they have to go risk a loss one more time and if that turns into a significant win on a neutral field (by a good margin) it would more or less negate's UM big win (at home) vs common opponent.
Wisconsin wins different than UM - they win more like how MSU 2013 tried to win; conservative offense + great defense so their margins of victory won't look like UM's obviously this year vs punk teams.
|4 hours 31 min ago||I don't think WI is the 4th||
I don't think WI is the 4th best team in the nation. But I think they will have "earned" their way in with a sizable win Saturday based on resume. Obviously their offense is challenged but a defense very similar to UM (interestingly ranked FEI 3 between OSU and Colo at 2 and 4 respectively' S&P+ 3 as well). Their crossovers were UM and OSU. Both games that could have went either way. They beat a decent not great LSU, Neb, Iowa - not glamour wins but decent They took care of business everywhere else. If they depant PSU by a good amount on a neutral field, I think they will have earned it if Clemson or Washington lose. If they win 13-10 which is a possible scenario considering their defense and lack of offense, then I think UM should go in if Clemson or Washington lose.
We can argue SOS all day but Sagarin has SOS of OSU 15, Wiscy 20, and UM 33. Washington is at 60 of course.
I can at least make an argument for Wiscy - with a siginificant win Saturday. PSU had 1 fluky win of value IMO. Iowa is their 2nd best win. I can't find a 3rd quality win on their schedule.
I am actually rooting for PSU of course tomm in a relatively close one.
|4 hours 44 min ago||"Full" was egregious language||
"Full" was egregious language to exaggerate the effect.
10 of their starting 22 in THE GAME (tm) were RS SO or younger.
1 of 22 for UM. (Maybe they mislabeled Peppers as I thought he was a RS SO, so that is 2 if so - woo hoo)
Yes they certainly had older guys. But a lot of young bucks. Pardon the pun.
Roles will be completely reversed next year - we will be the young team at home; they will be the experienced team on the road.
|37 weeks 2 hours ago||Damn if only they would have||
Damn if only they would have been the #1 seed - go down in infamy as only #1 seed ever to lose!
|37 weeks 6 days ago||He is on the never ending||
He is on the never ending search for Kevin Pittsnoogle - who was a 6'11 center who could shoot from outside. How many of those even exist in the college game in any particular year in this day and age? But damned he is going to keep trying to find the unicorn.
So rather than go find an athletic jump out of the gym type who sucks at shooting anything outside of 13' but impact the game defensively and in rebound ing (and could get 8 pts a nite just cleaning up all our bricks)- who are a dime a dozen - he goes back for very very poor man's Pittsnoogle's. Doyle I guess being the exception... as he has no range.
|38 weeks 1 day ago||How many 4* does NW have||
How many 4* does NW have again?
|38 weeks 4 days ago||Harbaugh is very frugal with||
Harbaugh is very frugal with his offers and almost never offers guys we won't land so I consider this one a done deal...
|38 weeks 5 days ago||Bennet ball is boring but||
Bennet ball is boring but almost everyon here insists UM can not recruit at high levels ever again in basketball because it doesnt play "the game" so he may be the best option for UM basketball long term because people have conceded UM wont get the recruits even OSU and MSU get I guess at Michigan because we are above it all. So the next best option is to be a suffocating boring team that you hate to watch unless you are a Michigan fan and you dont need that top 30-40 type of player to run.
Whats truly sad is we were told we had to wait a few years for recruiting to shoot thru the stars post NC game appearance because bball is a longer game than fball. So we waited those years and we lose all over the place on the recruiting trail. Then we were told Jumpman would fix everything - kids would be lining up outside AA to get in. We have Jumpman - nothing has changed.
So stay clean and start winning games 59-51 with Bennett- thats the only way we are going to be consistently in the top 4 in conf at UM per the commentary here.
|38 weeks 5 days ago||So are we still worried that||
So are we still worried that Irvin and Walton are going to run to the NBA???
SOL applies to Lions forever and now UM basketball for 2 years. And the next few. SOM. Watching this team the past few years is Groundhog Day.
The Chatman Wilson class looks like a complete disaster at this point - you lost an entire class that should have been helping offset Caris and Spike.. And no its not too early - its college basketball not football. But no worries, I've been told we hit the jackpot in this class and Xavier is Burke and Austin Davis is Mitch. We good.
Or most likely we are going to see this exact same game for another 2-3 years. Aside from talent the lack of fire and aggression makes me not like watching this team that much at all - I'd rather have the same record and watch the 2010 Novak type teams.
Beilein is one of the nicest men in sports and I feel bad for the wrath that he is going to face in the coming years looking at this roster and all the recruiting misses it faces.
|39 weeks 2 days ago||All "news" out of spring||
All "news" out of spring should be taken in a bath of salt. Until it is done in real games vs real opponents "news" is mostly opinion pieces.
See: Morris is a real contender, watch out for Lawrence Marshall, this time Joe Bolden has put it together.
Also left out was how Freddy Canteen was ripping everyone to shreds in spring along with a litany of others.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||Looks like Shelton Johnson is||
Looks like Shelton Johnson is not going to be playing much this year unless he finds a way to tack on 30 lbs this summer. 212 for a DE?
And Drake at 181... le sigh.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||ALL WEIGHT GAIN IS GOOD.ALL||
ALL WEIGHT GAIN IS GOOD.
ALL WEIGHT LOSS IS GOOD.
TY WHEATLEY WILL BE A 338 LB TE in 2 YEARS AND YOU WILL CALL HARBAUGH GENIUS.*
*Wheatley doesn't even look "beefy" in that photo - sheesh he can wear 290 lbs well.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||Unfortunately, Winovich is||
Unfortunately, Winovich is tracking that career path like a Ross Taylor Douglas where they keep moving him over the field on offense and defense trying to find a spot anywhere he can be useful.
Considering the urgent needs at LB I suppose that leaves us with Furbush and Wangler as 2 of the remaining 4 LBs in that class who have a chance to actually play it.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||Agreed.Having 305 guards||
Having 305 guards crash down on 205 lb Peppers for 40-50 plays a game sure sounds optimal. Not.
Like last year we are going to be playing a ton of 4-2-5 due to personnel and whatever you want to call Peppers position are welcome to call it. "Linenicklebacker". He is not going to be playing a traditional LB role - he doesnt have the bulk for it and getting smacked by men 80 lbs more than him repeatedly is asking for injury.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||Like Brian I have become sort||
Like Brian I have become sort of immune to this basketball team and have apathy towards it. This has not been a recent development. With the lack of offensive efficiency all the things I like about sports players - grit, ferociousness, "compete", defense are lacking watching this team. So I find little joy in how they play so I don't watch large portions of games anymore. I'd rather watch a Novak type team which will end with a similar record but have guys like...well Novak out there.
What galls me about this team is lack of development year over year and within the year. Outside of 1 player there is no development unless you squint in maize glasses. Mark Donnal. Where are the Beilein bumps? All I see are Beilein regressions.
So I count 1 major advancement in Donnal and 1 major regression in Dawkins and a lot of ho hum players ala Chatman, WIlson, Doyle who have added little to nothing to their game with all 3 not starting from a very high level of play to begin with - hence it should have been easy to add to their game.
So how much is this on the coaching and how much on the players? I refuse to believe Jordan and Beilein became dummies overnight so at some point its the players who have not progressed. And I am on the fire Bacari train because I have seen little out of him outside of Morgan in back half of his senior year - the same Morgan who was stuck to the bench much of his life as a junior - and then some development in Mitch....but lo and behold Donnal suddenly became a player. So I don't know.
People blame Caris injury but when Caris played we lose to Xavier and SMU and UConn types. We played the same sad defense we played for years, with the same lack of athleticism up front, with the same being outrebounded and punked by physically tougher athletes. Caris didnt change that - we just played more hero ball with Caris.
Looking at that list above, forget next year but 2 years from now if Xavier Simpson is not Trey Burke as a freshman this is going to be a bottom third team. And next year is going to be much of the same as this. So more groundhog day. I guess our great hope if Mark Donnal as a senior turns into Matt Costello as a senior. And Moe turns into a star over the summer.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||I bet at some point this week||
I bet at some point this week we here the defense is ahead of the offense. As we have heard the last 450 spring practices.
Also funny to think a year ago Malzone and Morris were the top 2 QBs, who played the bulk of spring game - in light of what actually happened in the actual season.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||I'd like the 2nd one in this||
I'd like the 2nd one in this list if you know maroon and black were our colors. I also liked the 5th one myself.
The 1st one is the type of kit you see on AYSO fields all across America on a Saturday morning. It is shockingly bad.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||Somewhere U.S. Soccer Devotee||
Somewhere U.S. Soccer Devotee is convulsing in an orgy of happiness.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||We went 0 for 3 in WRs in||
We went 0 for 3 in WRs in that class. You just can't do that.
The 2014 batch has had no early impact either.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||Tell you what - next time UM||
Tell you what - next time UM goes on the road and beats both rivals in the same year, and loses 1 regular season game show up here and call the season a disaster and a failure and lets see how it goes.
There are a lot of young UM fans who cannot even remember beating both rivals in the same year - forget on the road or at home. There are a lot of young UM fans who dont remember a 1 loss regular season.
In your eyes UM must be a multi decade failure except for maybe 2-3 years.
|39 weeks 6 days ago||I believe the entire Duke||
I believe the entire Duke program should be shut down due to this offense.
But I might be biased.
|40 weeks 2 min ago||Volunteer Devotee would be||
Volunteer Devotee would be all over that sh*t....
|40 weeks 3 min ago||I think TN wins the East next||
I think TN wins the East next year, returning QB - very experienced team with some loaded high end talent now reaching year to contribute. Should have a very Florida 2015ish type year.
At this point only Debord could stop this train!
|40 weeks 4 min ago||247 shows even more than 206||
247 shows even more than 206 - over 240 last I looked. But yes I agree with your general direction - we went to Taylor's HS in GA and offered like 9 in 1 day. Offer doesnt mean squat nowadays.