WTKA Roundtable 1/26/2017: Romano Vivito More

48 minutes

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[A Michigan student getting enriched on a trip to Rome, 2001]

Things discussed:

  • To Rome! Oh you voted spring break away? Okay we’ll wait until our semester is over then fly to Italy…with educational opportunities, and press release orphans. Also Michigan can hypothetically still go to Florida in future years after classes end. Come at me NCAA! Orphans! Would Saban ever do this? Recruiting effect.
  • Solution to SEC schools rampantly paying players, other than legalizing the rampant paying of players?
  • A lost Michigan game on rollerskates. Also some funny wins in Notre Dame’s win count. Like a thrift store. Probably not on rollerskates.
  • JayBaugh to RBs: 10th coach might fix it. Better for the team, obviously not the position.
  • Greg Frey: looks like a great move. Great track record, coordinated OSU’s new offensive coordinator’s offense.
  • Scary Indiana, scary Indiana, scary Indiana, let me say it once again. Scary Indiana, scary Indiana, scary Indiana, yes this was recorded when, the Hoosiers’ size still gave us hesitation. Given past events it was a logical explanation. So now we have this extraneous syncopation. We weight the Big Ten race, and catch it in the face, for Scary Indiana, scary INDiana, scary Indiana vs M at home.

You can catch the entire episode on Michigan Insider's podcast stream on Audioboom.

Segment two is here. Segment three is here.

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Comments

colomon1988

January 27th, 2017 at 10:42 AM ^

Sad thing is, I recognized it as a Music Man reference (that show is more or less entirely in my head) but due to lack of formatting, did NOT recognzie it as a complete parody until I looked again just now.  Dang, I thought my household was the only one that routinely produces doggerel song parodies... 

dragonchild

January 27th, 2017 at 8:19 AM ^

The argument that this Rome trip is a positive experience for the players is fine, but it doesn't address the "they're spending so much money" complaint.  Thing is, the money for this is coming from the players, from the revenue they generate.  The football team brings in so much money, this is one way Harbaugh can actually spend that money for their benefit without outright paying them.  They really ought to get the cash, but this is at least putting the money where it belongs.  So yeah, they should spend spend spend because it's not like the other options are better.

As for paying the players directly though, Brian feels the way he does because he lives in the world of Michigan.  Michigan's players are revenue generators, but most players technically have a net (keyword there, net) negative value.  Most programs aren't Michigan; even with amateurism they operate in the red.  Yes that's their fault (if you can't afford an FBS program you shouldn't have one), but the NCAA (for all its lauding of "student athletes") ain't even trying to stop that, so if you end amateurism, they'll pay their own players to keep up. . . and do it with tuition money.  Ain't saying it's right, but that's what they'll do.  Whatever the hell issues you have with amateurism, having students pay players is worse when student loan debt is already at epic levels.  You're making a bad problem worse to prop up a sports team that's an exception in that it's swimming in money.

That's NOT to say I'm inherently against ending amateurism.  This is where the absolutists get confused and try to push the argument in one corner or other.  I'm not against it.  However, the problems the haves have (more money than they're allowed to spend on players) and the have-nots have (funneling money from other sources to keep up) are very different, and these issues need to be solved at the same time.  You can't ignore one to argue the other.  You can't JUST end amateurism.  You can't JUST address the inequality.  You can't JUST blame the NCAA or the NFL or athletic departments.  It's not like one solution (ending amateurism for example, or an NFL minor league) fixes everything.  I'm for it in principle, but if only one solution is implemented, or if they're implemented one at a time, they'll initially break more things than they'll fix.  Which is why this is so tough to change, and why the NCAA is able to maintain a terrible status quo.  But ignoring other issues to argue one isn't going to help; that just gets people talking past each other.

Other Andrew

January 27th, 2017 at 8:30 AM ^

This was my thought from a few years back. Still seems viable to me:

http://roadgames07.blogspot.com/2010/12/proposal-to-solve-student-athle…

tl;dr version:

Pay the players for marketing by which they are currently exploiting them. Give them a commission for every ad, promo, feature, mention of games for TV in which their name or likeness is used. That's where the biggest portion of the money pie comes from and can solve most of the issue on its own. (And do the same for jerseys as this is the most obvious thing in the world.) Would be unfair to the more successful programs, but so is every aspect of recruiting already.

Seth

January 27th, 2017 at 11:32 AM ^

We repaired the feed. Every other podcast app in the world works. We will continue to try to get this one to work too. Hopefully that can happen before the last person finally decides that Apple has been making total crap since Jobs died and we never have to deal with their iShit again.

colomon1988

January 27th, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^

For what it's worth (as a data point) I get my podcasts from Pocket Casts, and it's had no trouble picking up any of the recent podcasts from whatever RSS feed it's using.

WGoNerd

January 27th, 2017 at 11:07 AM ^

The episodes are for whatever reason showing that they're uploading 12/31/2000, search it in the store and they'll be there to download then show up on the bottom of your unplayed list.

Hope that helps!