M-Dog

December 17th, 2014 at 11:04 PM ^

Since when does "not have to recruit" = an economic argument?

"Gets to kick Urban Meyer's ass at Ohio State so hard that the change falls out of his pockets."  

There.  That's an economic argument.

 

moredamnsound

December 17th, 2014 at 11:40 PM ^

He said "marginal benefit" at some point, that's it. And I'm pretty sure to figure out someone's marginal benefit you need to know their preferences to begin with. Maybe Jim likes recruiting and the extra stuff that comes with college football? I doubt it, but it's possible. In that case, a better argument would be the benefit of chasing a Super Bowl win vs. a college national championship. Even that comes down to preference, but it's an easier assumption. And even that needs to be weighed against the wage difference between M and an NFL job.

tl;dr: since it's impossible to get inside JH's head, articles like this are meaningless.

FauxMo

December 18th, 2014 at 8:46 AM ^

Time is certainly a sunk cost, though it is not a fixed cost. So the time spent recruiting could/would be considered as part of the rational economic calculus in choosing between the two alternatives, college or the NFL. So the author is not totally stupid.

But for anyone to assume there are not comparable trade-offs with an NFL job is just wrong. The time spent analyzing potential draft picks is probably equal to or greater than the time spent recruiting. Plus, UM recruits itself. If Hoke could succeed in recruiting here with his comparatively poor track record, JH could probably pull in top 5 classes without ever leaving Ann Arbor...

not TOM BRADY

December 17th, 2014 at 11:55 PM ^

Quite the economist, mentions marginal benefit. While, I'm sure he has all the qualifications. An ECON 202 student could have wrote this garbage. What if he actually values Michigan more than the NFL. They should wrap that around their econ degree. I can dig back into my Econ 202 notes and write blah blah Fallacy of comp, blah blah blah, inverse means blah blah fallacy of division.  

m1817

December 18th, 2014 at 9:28 AM ^

As an economist, he knows as much about the NFL as he does about opening a can of soup.

To illustrate the point, there was a physicist, a chemist, and an economist stranded on an island.  A can of soup wash ashore but they have no way to open the can.   They put their brains to solve the problem.

The physicist say, "We can drop it from the top of tree over there until it breaks open."

The chemist says, "We can build a fire and put the can in the flames until it bursts open."

The economist say, "Come on guys, doing it your ways, we would lose most of the soup. Let's assume we have a can opener."

CooperLily21

December 18th, 2014 at 11:04 AM ^

I agree that college football is like the minor leagues.  No question.  But who in the world hasn't wished at some point in their careers that they could go back to college?  Hell I wish that every damn day!

The fact of the matter is he may make less money at Michigan but he'll be the king of the program (and probably campus too).  At an NFL team there's at least 2-3 players that get more publicity and hold more import in a franchise.  He'll encounter the same resistance from some players that don't like his approach (all NFL teams have those prima donnas) that he allegedly gets in San Franciso.  And depending on the franchise a head coach has at least 2 senior managers (owner(s) and GM).  

At the end of the day, this will be a change-of-lifestyle decision.  I may be ignorant of the world but I made this same kind of choice and it was the best decision of my life.  Maybe he'll be smart enough to do the same....

EDIT:  This was meant as a reply to Brodie

UMaD

December 17th, 2014 at 11:04 PM ^

and it's even worse.

The NFL guys are essentailly arguing that the prestige/allure of the NFL outshines UofM.  This is something that is intangible and unproveable, so you know...maybe?

As for this guy -- he should be ashamed at how poorly written and not thought through this is.  He is basically saying the extra money isn't worth it because he has to work more (via recruiting and institutional obligations.)  If you're going down that road you need to at least recognize the counterarguments such as season length, number of games, dealing with agents, press conferences, draft preparation, playoff duration, etc.

Either way it's a 60-80 hour a week job.  If anything, college is nice in that you have some variety between alumni functions, recruiting, scouting at coaching.  In the NFL its just coach/watch tape and repeat.

Bo Nederlander

December 18th, 2014 at 10:47 AM ^

I find this a dubious claim considering stadium sizes for successful collegiate programs versus NFL. I realize you're being facetious, however. There is many more fans of collegiate football than the NFL. That is measurable fact when considering ratings outside of the playoffs. And we haven't even seen ratings for college playoffs yet. 

Communist Football

December 17th, 2014 at 10:32 PM ^

Comrade -- I happen to be an editor at Forbes. I can tell you that individual writers have broad autonomy to express their opinions. Doesn't mean squat about Forbes' editorial position as a whole.

tricks574

December 17th, 2014 at 11:48 PM ^

This feels like the kind of article that gets written when some big wig see's the "48 Million Dollar" report on TV and calls the office saying "I just saw an obscenely large number next to a dollar sign on Sportscenter, get the sports econ dude on this!" which then causes him to get on real quick and stretch 2 regurgitated talking points into an article because there isn't any real sports econ story here. 

Not that he's necessarily wrong, Harbaugh might stay in the NFL for those reasons, it just seems lazily written and out of this guys wheelhouse

joeyb

December 17th, 2014 at 10:38 PM ^

If it is garbage, then why post it here? When you post it, they get clicks, which is incentive to post more garbage. It also pushes the other content off the front page of the board. There is seriously no good that can come from posting it.

Yo_Blue

December 18th, 2014 at 8:14 AM ^

Bingo - there's your economics.  

Clicks = revenue.  

Write some slappy, jingoistic drivel, get it noticed by a group who is insanely interested in the topic, and watch the clicks roll in.  Nothing different than Drew Sharp and the other assclowns who write for the interest rather than the information.

BJNavarre

December 17th, 2014 at 10:39 PM ^

"Why Coaching in the NFL is Preferable to College" is a more accurate title for that article. And it's pretty clear he threw that garbage together in about 5 minutes. Well done Forbes!

ThadMattasagoblin

December 17th, 2014 at 10:41 PM ^

So basically he doesn't have to recruit in the nfl and the rules are hard to deal with or something like that. What about dealing with primadona attitudes, overeaching douchebag GMs and owners?

BJNavarre

December 17th, 2014 at 10:48 PM ^

Unfortunately, his boss is probably patting him on the back for successfully trolling the Michigan fanbase. 

I liked the paragraph he threw in there about how the Michigan fanbase is "dismayed" by Ohio States success. Uh, no. We're dismayed that our program has been horseshit for the last 7 years. OSU being successful is the norm.

theguy49503

December 17th, 2014 at 10:49 PM ^

Even after being down for 7 years we are still the most hated team and fan base in this country. The reality is people fear us rising from the ashes like a Phoenix. Well if you hated us under Bo, Gary and Carr, get ready world we have an even bigger a-hole coming to town and he ain't taking no prisoners! #GoBlue #ThisIsMichigan #Hail

MGoVictory

December 17th, 2014 at 10:49 PM ^

Why do NFL-centric articles always suggest that coaching at the college level is more time consuming than at the NFL level? If that was the case, why doesn't (didn't) Urban jump to the NFL considering he burned out at Florida?