it again Ace.
No bigger recruiting tool than the Big House...
It's tough to find a recruit who was in attendance that would disagree with that sentiment. From the non-paywalled articles, here are quotes from Devin Funchess...
"That was a live game," he said. "I got down when Notre Dame scored the wide open touchdown, but Michigan did a lot with 30 seconds. It was a great game and a great comeback and I want to be a part of it next year."
“It was fantastic,” Gant said of the atmosphere. “Especially being in the biggest stadium in college football, there’s no greater feeling then that. Especially being the first night game at Michigan Stadium, it was fantastic. Listening to all the music going on between the plays… it made me want to go out there and play right away.”
...and Terry Richardson:
"This is why I committed," he said. "This is why I set my plans to Michigan. It's a great university. We have to come here and try to carry on the big time tradition."
The incredible game and atmosphere had an impact on the uncommitted visitors, as well. Gant sat next to WA OL Zach Banner and CA WR Jordan Payton, and he thinks the experience gave Michigan a big leg up in each of their recruitments [emphasis mine]:
“I actually sat right next to them. We built a pretty good relationship and it was a good experience being with them. I think that Zach and Jordan think this is a great atmosphere to be in and playing in front of 114,000 people is just an unbelievable experience. I feel like at the end of the day, Ann Arbor is where they want to be.”
it again Ace.
No bigger recruiting tool than the Big House...
I should say this more often, but I really appreciate all the feedback (both positive and negative, but mostly positive) that I've been getting from the MGoCommunity. It's made this transition a whole lot easier, and also helps me do my job better. The words of support are always appreciated, even if I don't get a chance to directly respond to all of them.
With all due respect to the outstanding 2012 class, this write-up makes me almost more excited about the 2013 class! Pulling the top recruit from Ohio, the top recruit from Michigan, and being in the serious running for several other national recruits? That is amazing!
Listening to all the music going on between the plays…
Opponents of the RAWK might stick this quote in the back of their mind. I assume he's not talking about the band. We want the gameday experience to be perfect for ourselves, the old crusty paying fans, but we should also want it to be perfect for the recruits when they come in as well. I'd trade a bit of my distaste in the music for a a bit more excitement for a potential recruit.
I never minded any additional music as long as it didn't marginalize the marching band. Can anybody say it has?
If playing PopEvil as the team assembles in the tunnel and starts to run on the field doesn't marginalize the band, I don't know what does.
If you're sure that that even happened to begin with (many posters disputed the timing of things, including a marching band member), I'd be surprised if it has or will happen again.
I'm with you on that - Of course I want the experience to be the best it can be from my standpoint but I always remind myself that a lot of the focus should be on the kids, the players and students. The thing that makes college sports exponentially better than professional is that a lot of focus is placed on the students and less on the paying public (who the pro sports obviously focus on).
Likewise with the uniforms. I'm still galled about it, but it seems the recruits really responded to them. Which also galls me... But I was raised in Ann Arbor by Michigan grads. To someone who didn't have TRADITION beaten into his head since birth, it could understandably be exciting to see flashier jerseys and more RAWK. (And be honest - Denard makes everything look good. Put him out there in pink and recruits would be excited.)
One thing I didn't anticipate about the uniforms, which I'm not crazy about on their own, is that they did look really, really awesome when players were all together, as in the pregame huddle.
...play the damn music! I love MMB as much as anyone, but if the tunes mean better dudes, I'm all for it!
To add to the Danny O'Brien intrigue didn't Sam Webb say that Zach Banner would announce in the first week of October as well?
You got a link, Jerseyblue? I haven't seen/heard that (not much of a radio guy, so sometimes I miss Webb's WTKA stuff if it doesn't make it onto Scout or the message boards), but it would certainly bode well for Michigan if that was the case.
I thought he said it on the recruiting roundup from two days ago. I can't get it to play at work or else I would have confirmed it. I replay the podcast at night at home. It was a long roundup, about 22 minutes and it was in the first 5 or 6 minutes. It's probably still up on the site though I can't access from here.
EDIT: My bad Ace. Just listened to it again. He was stilltalking about O'Brien. It was before the segway to Banner.
Ace, great write up, but you should note that Matt Miller is from Toledo St. John's, not P-Burg
Thanks - Rivals has it wrong, I guess. I knew his brother went to Toledo St. John's, but wasn't sure if they had moved or something.
If memory serves, the Miller family lives in Perrysburg (toledo suburb), but yes attends St. Johns which is in Toledo. Likely the confusion.
The potential Shaq Thompson visit is quite the surprise. But, he's probably just taking some visits for the experience. I'd be shocked if we were able to reel him in somehow - even if we could find a scholly for him.
I LOVE reading the comments from McGary's AAU coach. It sounds like he's got his favorite school to recommend to MM. Having McGary would catapult Michigan's program to a whole other level. If nothing else, it will accelerate our return to the top of college hoops.
I think our 2013 class will probably end up with a higher average player rating than 2012.
Re: Thompson-I'd agree if he'd come for the ND game with Payton like it was speculated he might.
But in the article, the week he's looking to possibly visit is for SDSU. Maybe I'm being too optimistic but a 5* kid doesn't travel across the country to see a team play SDSU if he isn't at least slightly interested.
I don't think we have much of a chance at landing him but I wouldn't rule it out if he does visit that weekend.
This week's post was kind of a gimmie as you obviously weren't at a loss for information, but this was a really great read and we appreciate all your work. This is exactly what I needed for thursday morning to get me through the work week and on to more Michigan Football....and them lions baby. Couple thoughts racing through my head:
2012: Wishful thinking - Let's assume we can take 5 more recruits, Danny O'Brien, Zach Banner, Jordan Payton, Amara Dabroh and we snakedog Shaw Thompson at the last second. Jaw dropping.
2013: I want Wyatt and Elmer bad. If you add Elmer to this line we are building with the 2012 class, wow. And if you pair a speed back with Wyatt, dangerous.
Dymonte Thomas The best rb in Ohio, but wants to play defense at Michigan... stop me if you have heard this introduction before.
Oh yeah and the Shane Morris kid is okay too. Look for this class to be an exciting one lead by Shane, chalked full of skill position players.
I think next year we should take some good wideouts in the class.
However, I don't see to many WR's offered in this list. Ace, any clue who the early suspects might be?
Dallas Jesuit's Jake Oliver (already a four-star on 24/7) and Crete-Monee's Laquon Treadwell (teammate of Anthony Standifer, putting up huge numbers this year) are both guys I expect Michigan will go after hard. There's also a couple Ohio guys in Shelton Gibson and Rob Wheelwright that could get a look as well. I'm sure there are more names out there, but those are the ones that stick out so far.
It sounds to me like Treadwell will commit the instant he gets an offer. He might wait and take a visit or something first, but assuming he gets an early-ish offer, he should be an early commit.
With his size, athleticism and aggression (he's also a stud DE) I hope he gets that offer.
Panic fires put out!
Also, just to be clear, that wasn't a list of players Michigan has offered (it's still really early, and U-M hasn't sent out offers to a lot of players who will almost certainly merit one), but guys who are at least on the radar at this moment. Sorry if that was confusing.
"if you weren't in Ann Arbor you were wrong"
Get the fuck off my court is now my second favorite quote this year.
"your (sic) wrong."
all the kids are grammatically incorrect on twitter, it's the cool thing to do!
i'm not sure if morris (I think it was morris that posted it) was grammatically incorrect. at first i thought he was too, but what if he meant it in a "my bad" or "your bad" sense? so insteard of "my wrong", it is "your wrong" for not being in ann arbor? yeah, i'm probably stretching it, but since he is a UM verbal, i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Man, if Mattison can snag an elite safety like Thompson, I can only dream of the defensive schemes he could run.
An important note about Woodson is that he has a clear connection to Michigan through his AAU team, which is Ray Jackson's Rising Stars team in Round Rock, Texas. See the Rising Stars Academic Athletic Program facebook page for more details on this program, which Jackson cofounded in 2005.
"Pom-poms and RAWK and crowd noise. Is it just me or was the stadium not actually very loud when it would help out the most? The pom-poms encouraged people to use their hands shaking pom-poms instead of making noise and while the piped-in music was indeed loud, when it cut out the people in the stadium making noise were largely going "OH oh oh oh oh, OH oh oh oh oh" instead of "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA." The latter is louder.
Putting aside the insults to the Great Tradition they represent, is the noise level created by the frippery mostly cosmetic? It has seemed much louder in Michigan Stadium—I was frustrated as I was screaming myself hoarse on the last drive while people around me shook their little plastic thingies. Plastic thingy shaking is not that intimidating, people.
And then there's the guy two rows in front of you who's shaking the thing constantly so you can't see the game. In the South they have a protocol about these things: raise that thing above your shoulder during a play and you're not getting that arm back. Here we get them every five years or so and there's always someone who thinks row 14 is the last one". ""
I guess if you post enough things on the internet, you're bound to say something stupid eventually.
I can't find the link now, but I seem to remember hearing that the luxury boxes reflect noise onto the field more than onto the bowl. In other words, the kids on the sidelines probably hear more noise than the fans in the stands.
Besides, Brian wasn't saying it was quiet, just that it could have been louder if people weren't distracted by trinkets. This is a well-known phenomenon - see key shaking on 3rd down.
I have a friend that lives in Ann Arbor, she said she's never before heard so much noise from her front porch during a game. She said when they scored, it shook her house! Seems like the noise is better this year to her.
I think if O'Brien committed, he would be in the same situation as the other 2012 commits (like Terry Richardson) - if you're truly committed, no visits. Right now I'd be very surprised if Michigan didn't land O'Brien, so I think he's keeping those visits scheduled right now for the sake of suspense (or he doesn't know Hoke's policy yet), and those would likely be cancelled if he goes blue on Oct. 7.
Personally, I think the fact that he will make his announcement before scheduled visits to his other two favorites is a very good sign.
The first rule of HELLO posts is (you can write them but) you don't talk about HELLO posts.
(Kidding, [mostly]...and while your appreciation of our appreciation is, uh, appreciated...you are really making sure the blog is not missing a beat).
I assume if he commits to us, he cancels those visits. But if he committed to one of them, he'd still go on that visit but not the other one. The fact that there are two still scheduled seems like a better sign than if it were only the Tennessee visit.
I would assume the coaches will allow him to commit or take visits, but not both. If he commits to us, I would expect him to cancel those visits.
It'll be interesting to see the coaching staff's approach to the 2013 class. They have seemed pretty willing to offer kids they really like, but you could make an argument for being stingy with those offers until more tape from their junior seasons becomes available. (I obviously love the Morris & Thomas commitments, though.)
I might be in the minority here, but I don't really want Shallman if he's going to play running back. Michigan needs a big-time tailback, not a short yardage guy. If he were going to be paired with a big-play guy in the backfield, then I'd be okay with it. But if we only take one RB next year, it can't be Shallman.
(Getting Bri'onte Dunn might alleviate that need if we can pull it off.)
I'm just saying that if Michigan DOESN'T get Bri'onte Dunn (or a comparable back) in 2012 and DOESN'T recruit a true tailback outside of Shallman for 2013, that's setting us up for a very slow, likely ineffective backfield.
I don't want the coaches to stop pursuing Shallman. I just want a complementary back, too.
I don't see why Shallman needs to be dubbed a short yardage back. He could easily be a John Clay or Ron Dayne type running back, getting the ball on all downs. How nice is it to get 6-7 yards on first down? It really opens things up. If he breaks it from our 20 he probably won't take it to the house but he has the speed to go 30-40 yards. More importantly, when he gets first contact at 5 yards, he'll get another 2-5 yards out of it, almost every time.
There aren't very many successful 255 lb. tailbacks in the world. We can point out all the exceptions there have been and I could say that Danny O'Brien might be the next Craig Heyward, but we all know that Shallman's chances of being a premier tailback are slim.
I believe the reason there aren't many successful 255lb running backs is because there aren't many guys who weigh 255lbs who are athletic enough to play RB. However, Shallman is athletic enough, by all reports. He's not going to juke many DBs, but he won't get arm tackled either.
I agree that he doesn't appear to have quick enough feet to be a RB, but doesn't he have the ideal height and bulk for a TE? Seems like he'd be good as a FB too.
It's not an assumption, but it very well could be true.
Houma is more of a FB than a tailback.
Smith is not a feature back.
Toussaint is injured most of the time.
I'm not a huge fan of either Hayes or Rawls, but you're right - they might be effective.
The bottom line is that nobody has established himself as a premier tailback, we all want a good tailback, and I don't think Shallman is going to be that guy. Feel free to disagree, but the odds are on my side.
I like how things get distorted with time.
I never advocated for Denard Robinson to switch positions. I said that should only be considered if Michigan got another quarterback.
And if Michigan DID have a good quarterback aside from Denard Robinson right now, you can bet that there would be a whole lot of clamoring for Robinson to play RB, since nobody else has done anything with the position.
Just because he'll never get to be a one/two punch with Mike Cox. ;-)