well that's just, like, your opinion, man
I thought he was pretty clear about that.
I thought it was pretty obvious I was kidding around, but in all seriousness I would go with Stanford if it were up to me. Great location and an even better school.
Duke, unless I really thought I would be able to play in the NFL. Even then, I'd rather have an education from Duke than any of the other schools. Stanford would definitely be second with Cal right up there.
I would enroll early, bust my ass to get credits out of the way while I redshirt, then in my 5th year I enroll in the Stanford Law School.
You'd be the equivalent of Michigan's Rob Pelinka!
OK - but it depends on what you want to study, and whether you'd actually like to win a football more often than once or twice a year.
Loads of California hotties, too. A big time football player can never overlook the amount/qualitiy of trim on campus.
I go to UC Davis and Berkeley (wierd situation, but it's true). Stanford HAS NO HOTTIES!!! It's all about Cal baby!
Seriously tho, if you want the hotties, go to UCSD. (not sure if they have a football program, but babes in SoCal>babes anywhere else). Also, a good education (top 5 public school in the nation.)
I'd still pick Michigan.
is a stupid idea.
Other than my undying love for Michigan, I think Michigan is a great choice (especially if we are assuming I came from the same high school, because it adds close to home).
Great football tradition
The Big House
Has sent a ton of players to the NFL
Great potential over the coming years
Get to play with the awesome people on Michigan's roster
I know you said to ignore it, but I can't make a different choice :)
Does having sent tons of players to the NFL count as strongly for Michigan after the coaching change (and not just a coaching change to RR, but a generic coaching change). RR doesn't have the track record at Michigan for sending players to the NFL (mostly because he hasn't been here long enough to have sent a ton of players to the NFL, I'm sure he will in time).
edit: This question would really apply to any school that has recently gone through a coaching change.
The chance to play for a solid team, and get a good education. Those two schools are the best combo of the 2 in my opinion. I wouldn't be that worried about playing as an underclassmen. That usually means the team is terrible and won't get any better (obviously there are exceptions).
I'd pick a team that has the most dynamic QB in the country, a solid and young O-line, and beaucoup receivers with lots of talent..
But this is because I'm Ed Reed reincarnate and I want to play early and often.
I would like to think I have the long-term vision to weigh academics heavily as such a small group of NCAA players actually make it to the NFL. That said, I would probably choose a school that looks to be on the up with top notch academics. For example, Michigan, Notre Dame or Stanford. Ultimately both Michigan and Stanford are great academic schools that are showing improvement. Since I can't technically pick Michigan, and schools like Vandy, Duke, USC and UCLA are underperforming or in trouble, I would probably choose a school like Stanford. It also depends on what position I am and what type of HS ratings I received.
EDIT: Schools like Texas and Wisconsin also fit the good programs with good academics idea. If I were OL, I would choose UW I think. Any sort of skill player and I would lean toward Stanford or Texas. If I'm a recruit and saw Brian Kelly roll his eyes and demean his players in the halftime interview, I would cross them off my list.
Part of the reason I started this thread is because I watched that flashy Oregon team last night. I think Oregon would be the top of my list. If Boise State were better academically and not in Idaho that would be fun. Maybe Hawaii if I just wanted to sit and surf all day. The California schools or Arizona wouldn't be bad for catching rays all day.
I'd probably have to pick a school with a lot of tradition. So maybe an SEC squad. Lots of schools would be on my list.
Summer practice. That's all I have to say there. CAL BABY!
I have had this convo multiple times with one of my good buddies and I seem to be torn. If I am a 4* I have aspirations of the NFL. But, I also want to go somewhere with great facilities where I can play in front of an unbelieveable atmosphere. I've always thought other than Michigan I would attend Alabama (for the atmosphere) and Oregon for the ungodly facilities ( minus the uniforms). I will really enjoy seeing what everybody else comes up with... Ill be watching this thread develop on this friday.... See me below
it all hinges on the individual kid and what his abilities and priorities are. What I would do is completely irrelevant.
Some kids want to be a part of a tradition. Some kids want immediate playing time. Some kids realize they're not pro material and go for the academics. Some kids want to be part of a championship more than anything else.
I don't think there's any blanket rule covering this. Recruiters get to know the kids individually and stress the aspects of their program they think will appeal most to the particular athlete.
You can't ignore things like depth charts or positions. These are criticial factors.
In looking just at overall experience, there are so many schools that offer so much, that there is just no way to pick.
Because none of us are actual high school football players.
Food. Makes sure every recruit goes to Blimpy Burger.
I am going to a place like oregon with all the sweet Nike stuff and amazing facilities. Or a place like Miami where the weather is amazing and there is so much stuff to do, women to look at. Plus it is the U.
I refuse to exclude Michigan. So, Michigan.
Nowhere in the south because those people are crazy and I'd hate it.
The east coast sucks for football.
So that leaves the left coast and the Midwest.
I'd want a place with good academics and a place that get lots of coverage.
In the end I think I'd be down to Stanford, Michigan, and notre dame. Since I can't pick Michigan and Stanford isn't exactly a historical power I'd go with the fighting Irish.
Also on my short list would be Wisconsin and osu (it would also depend on scheme/position). IE if I'm a tight end,oline,rb wisco and osu look great. If I'm a qb I'd never go to those schools and would choose nd or Stanford.
Notre Dame? Really? Notwithstanding the fact that South Bend is a "podunk shithole," and Notre Dame has sucked at football for what I presume is the majority of your life (I'm guessing you're under 30), Notre Dame? Really?
South bend has 100k people in the city and 300k in the metro area which compares favorably to Ann arbor as far as size goes. So no it's not a podunk shithole.
Yes notre dame has sucked all of my life but no matter if you like it or not they still get some of the best coverage in the nation.
They are a great school academically for undergrad and has put way more players into the league then a school like Stanford.
You should respect notre dame our schools are extremely similar it's just a catholic Michigan (which is why I hate them so much they are like bizarro Michigan).
I lived near South Bend and it sucks. It is nothing like Ann Arbor. Campus has nothing by it or on it. I considered Notre Dame for undergrad and the "blah" nature of the city alone was the reason why I didn't go there. Fortunately I fell in love with Ann Arbor the second I stepped on campus. Based on your criteria, why not a school like UCLA or Texas (based on your comment about the south, Austin is actually a more liberal/progressive town than many).
I lived in Mishawaka my first year out of college and it is horrendous. The greater SB area really doesn't have much to do or going on.
Sans Lane Kiffin and UCLA sucking you would have to have them near the top of your evaluation list as well. Nice weather year round and their co-ed's would make it VERY easy for me to get used to.
EDIT- Austin is a ridiculous town for just about every reason. So lump them in there as well...
So no. I will never go back to Texas there isn't enough money in the world.
And UCLA yeah I mean their school is good and all but why not put cal or Virginia on there who are both better schools and equal in terms of prestige.
UCLA is not a program that gets great exposure so no.
I know that nds campus sucks but I'd have a car and drive wherever I please.
I's have to say ND also. Like Michigan, it's a great school with strong tradition and academics. IMO, the next couple years look promising for them (pending Crist's improvement, but also with players like Manti). But then again, their schedule for the next two years is bizarre, so I would take that into consideration also.
and just how many ways does South Bend rival Ann Arbor as a college town?
I really want to neg your right now. That's sacrilege. For so many reasons. Here's a few:
In summation, they blow.
Michigan and notre Dame are extremely similar especially on the grid iron.
This is truth. As a lowly outsider with an objective mind right now I have to say UofM and Notre Dame are incredibly similar. We just need to hope that UofM's struggles are turned around about 12 years faster than ND
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I mean seriously, how can you say no to this fight song? -
(aka the Tech Cheer)
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Georgia Tech... no question. (If an Engineer)
Always felt that GT has the second best in college football.
I played for a D2 engineering school in golden, colorado (yes, where coors is brewed), and our fight song was a total ripoff of the Georgia Tech fight song. Instead of "we're the rambling wreck from georgia tech", it was "we're the rambling wreck from golden tech". Every time I heard it, I couldn't help but think of georgia tech...
Do you choose a school because of religion?
Notre Dame, B.C., BYU
Do you choose a school for Country?
Navy, Air Force, Army
Or maybe the helmets, maybe you just pick the school with the most amazing helmets ever.... They Got Wings
I can name several reasons, but I will leave it short and sweet
The sad thing is, I have been to Florida and Florida State's campus numerous times, and the girl above is what I would consider "average" there. I died a little inside when I left.
You should see these Arizona State girls out here.
and she is hot, so thanks.
If not Michigan, then Oregon, Stanford, Texas, Florida State, Alabama or Penn State for many various reasons...
I would choose The University of Chicago, because they're the Maroons, and because Hyde Park is close to the Checkerboard Lounge.
Go Maroons! The Monsters of the Midway can still take anyone...in nuclear physics.
1. Oregon- Nike, nice facilities, winning team
2. Nebraska- Joing big 10, tradition
3. Alabama- They have been winning a lot, warm weather
Places not to go that you may think otherwise
1. USC- great team past 10 years, but no bowl, new coach, rebuilding
2, Boise/TCU- high ranked team but its hard to get recognized in small conf
3. Penn State- great team past 5 years, but Joe Pa is getting old
Because if you eliminate your favorite, then you really get down the nitty gritty. I think I would have to say a place with great academics, in an interesting place, and it needs a decent football tradition. So Northwestern has 2 of the 3, Stanford is 2.5, Cal is 2.5, gah... well, with my criteria, I would probably go to USC. I think I just puked in my mouth.
Really, the only 3's that I can think of are Michigan, USC, and Texas. Slightly on the outskirts are the ones above, Penn State, Miami, Notre Dame, Boston College, and Wisconsin.
Weather is absolutely one of my deciding factors and heat sucks so bad. I need a mild climate and a fun team. Oregon.
I have been up there 5 times and overcast with potential rain was the norm each time.
Slippery Rock... So my score will always be announced at the Big House and I can always be part of a tradition.
In undergrad I picked my class schedule (and major) based on meeting and sitting next to the hottest chick I could find in orientation and signing up for every class she did. I am not kidding. I would take the school with the hottest chicks, without question.
You had better look to the SEC. Georgia, Mississippi, Florida would be your best bets. In the ACC, North Carolina is no pushover. Also, Delaware has a 60-40 girl-guy ratio if you want to play FCS ball.
a couple of years ago, a competition took place on the scout board between the two respective fan bases. Who has the hottest women? Pictures were posted, the thread hit a trillion entries, and every non-ASU/non-UGA fan who looked at it would have no option other than to list those 2 schools in his final 3.
I live in Michigan, but have had the pleasure to visit ASU multiple times. They would be a tough school to beat.
Out of curiosity, which major did that lead you to? I'm guessing not electrical engineering.
Business Management, then I changed it to mechanical engineering, then industrial design, then back to mechanical engineering, then back to business managment! Hooray for 5.5 years of undergrad! She was a peach.
Assuming all else is true... Michigan #1 (obvi, but I'll play). If I were still in HS that means i would still have a love for Notre Dame... :( And i'd probably have wound up there.
HOWEVA.... me now...
Texas (good school, great town supposedly)
Stanford (great academics)
UCLA (LA, bitches!)
Miami (YTM - Miami, bitches!)
Pretty simple (if dry) ...
* If I have clear NFL potential (as if that would ever be clear) the choice would be mostly about getting to that level as smoothly as possible. I think you could do that at quite a few schools.
* If the NFL looks unlikely, I'm going to choose the best school where I can pull a 3.0+ GPA (or so) in a decent major and where I'll be culturally in tune with most of my peers. For example, if I couldn't handle electrical engineering at Michigan I'd downshift academically to another school rather than do "Sports Management and Communications" at UMich. (That's related to yet another assumption. I'm assuming that the degree and course of study would be important. That wouldn't necessarily be the case if I had a sales job in mind.) For another example, as a Midwesterner of modest means I wouldn't count on fitting culturally in at Vanderbilt (with its different world of $, etc.).
Depends on what you want to do for a living... most engineers I know wind up in Consulting, Finance etc. So, you can still do things within LSA that can get you there, so no need to jump to Kines if that's not what you want to do (I know, probably taking you too literally, but figured I'd give my 2 cents anyway.)
Sidenote: one of the best classes I took at U of M was a Public speaking course thru Sport Management... excellent course, and I recommend to anyone outside of the the school of Kinesiology. Really, public speaking should be a mandatory req.
I get your logic. If you want to be a criminal you'd go to MSU or Florida -- you can get a head start on your career and not have to worry about getting kicked off the team if you get caught.
Let's see. Small, gorgeous campus. Money sloshing all over the place. Hot chicks in shorts and sun dresses all year round. You can trade your football tickets for 10% of whatever your roommate is working on and become a millionaire.
Oh yeah, a great coach and a competitive team.
Hot chicks at Stanford? I didn't see many in the 2+ years I lived out there. Smart? Yes. Generally appealing overall? Sure. Hot? Not so much ...
Stanford is over 8,000 acres. It the second largest university in the world in terms of contiguous area.
Do not go anywhere in the Bible Belt. Nothing against religion or family values but a lot of those Univeristies are littered with zealots. Have you ever heard of a dry county? Nuff said. Second do not go to any school that plays second fiddle i.e. Michigan State, UCLA, Oklahoma State. Third go somewhere where a degree matters, connections will get you places and the weather is tolerable year round (see ya Northwestern). Fourth go to a team that gets exposure and has a good chance to make some noise (see ya Duke). What are you left with, USC and Stanford. USC gets a huge leg up for the immense talent they surround their athletes with (ladies not players) however Stanford provides a better education, has good weather and is not led by Lane Kiffin. Lastly, since you can not go to Michigan (because they are filled with 25 five star players) you go to Stanford because then you can at least play for a Michigan Man and Bo disciple. Go Blue!
I like your reasoning, but non-alums that are a little more objective then us, would say that if one of your prerequisites is weather that is tolerable year round, and you are throwing out Northwestern out for this, you'd have to throw out Michigan too.
Aside from Michigan, I'd like to go to UGA and/or Auburn. Somewhere in the SEC.
I've been to games at most of the SEC schools and I've always spent the entire weekend kicking myself for not going to a southern school. The education is sub-par, but any place where girls wear sundresses to football games in November would get my vote.
and then tell the local newspaper that the coach is making us practice too much
In Columbus, no local paper would ever dish dirt on the cash cow.
Half of me says find the place with the hottest chicks and at least a respectable program (for obvious reasons) and half of me says find the most boring, awful place in the world so I can focus on nothing but football and academics.
Cal for sure.
(Not including Michigan)
In no particular order:
5. Cal (this replaces UNC which I dropped a few weeks ago)
I'll let Tom know how my visits went. Right now, I'd say UCLA is out in front but Texas and Stanford are pushing hard lately. I'd like to see Rick turn that program around and I think he's doing it. Tough loss last night. But it's a young team.
Texas. Austin is on par if not better than Ann Arbor, academics are great, the girls are unbelievable and the weather is oh so nice. Not to mention that the football team is pretty damn great.
100+ degree weather in the summer, being an island of respectability surrounded by TCM breathren and never playing your biggest rival at home.
I'd have to stay in the Big Ten somewhere - Wisconsin or Northwestern would be my final two.
If I'm a 4 star talent that has been offered by all of those schools I probably have a legitimate shot at playing in the NFL, that means I want to go to a school that puts a good number of players in the NFL either recently or traditionally.
However, I am also aware of both the extreme competitive nature and the overall violent nature of football. My career could be cut short or derailed entirely at any moment, that means I need a school that will give me a great education and open lots of doors.
That leaves a few schools as my primary interest-Michigan, USC, UCLA, Notre Dame, Cal, (All top 30 universities with good football programs).
Michigan would be my obvious leader. However, I have to disregard them in this exercise-so this is the order of what the remaining list would probably look like in a normal year.
4. Notre Dame
This is not a traditional year though so USC is nixed due to sanctions, and general Lane Kiffin douchebaggery. Notre Dame is also eliminated due to the fact that I would like to win games and also not live in South Bend for 4 years. That leaves UCLA and Cal. Either would be a great school and program. If I had to pick one I'd go with UCLA right now. I think Neuheisel is going to reap all the rewards from USC's recent problems and get UCLA's program humming.
Although I do really love Berkeley. Kinda glad I don't have to make this decision now.
because I want to get paid DOLLA DOLLA BILLS yo!
Texas-good academically, great football team, and an unbelievable amount of hot women.
Need two things: insanely attractive women + the ability to get me to the next level.
I'd pick Texas. Good team, good chance of making it to the pros.
Oregon might be my #2.
Ship it to Tulane, insta starter, good academics, great city, good looking girls, great food.
Great academic school, good conference (kinda), awesome uniforms, good team
Kids and their families might be a lot more savvy than they are given credit for. Regarding Pro football: if you can play, they'll find you and rate you high. The draft is loaded with players from obscure schools every year and likewise is loaded with guys that star on big time program teams but are scouted down to later rounds.
It is also possible that these kids know that there is statistically no such thing as a "reasonable" chance to make the NFL. It is at best remote for all but a select few very advanced incoming college freshmen.
USC. Great women, great weather, great school, great area with lots to do, and lots of spots opening up because of the probation defections. They also have planted their share of pros over the last decade if that is a primary concern. Rip Kiffin because he deserves it, but he lead the recruiting efforts on a lot of those future pros from 2002 to 2006.
Michigan would be right near the top of course.
that I knocked up a co-ed during my official visit. I roll like David Oku.
My visits would be
Miami (that miami)
Easy choice here I'd go to UCLA
depends on how my visit goes.....hostesses....ya know.
Bruce Feldman said something a couple of years ago that really stuck with me. (Paraphrase) "Recruits pick schools for three reasons:
but not in that order."
If I were a recruit with the hypothetical offer to anywhere, I'd start by only looking at power schools--I couldn't go to a good academic school and not compete for titles. Next, I'd look at girls, and then finish off with academics. I'm generally convinced that suceeding in a big name school academically will set you up just fine, even if it's somewhat lower rated. With those criteria in mind, I'd probably look at (based on the 2-3 year time horizon of a recruit):
1. Texas--easy number 1, excellent at everything in a great location
The SEC schools are a little too creepy for me and don't have the academics, the girls clause basically eliminates the Big 10 and Big East schools, academics eliminates most of the Big 12, and football quality eliminates the ACC.
I might consider Miami, dependant on a strong finish and Arizona might be in the running as well.
with Georgia, and Penn State right behind.
Visits to Oregon and Miami just for the beautiful (and drastically different) scenery.
You have top notch facilities, what appears to be a fun offense to play in, hottest cheerleaders, and I don't care what people think but I like the uniforms
or maybe Hawaii
2. USC if they didn't have Kiffin, but they do so I'd go to UCLA
3. Texas is too hot, so is Arizona, but 'Zona is a party school and I'd visit there.
4. I'd also probably be scared of getting murdered in Miami so I'd stay out of Florida all together.
5. Oklahoma. I know it would be boring, but almost gauranteed a conference title.
-Texas (love the state and the demeanor of the people)
-Standford (academics )
-OSU (football tradition)
-Alabama (see above)
-USC/UCLA (LA people suck, I live in OC now)
And who's to say, I'd have to be honest?!
Great national visibility right now; good chance to go the the NFL.
Ok, seriously - it's all about the girls, so any Pac 12 Cali. school will do just fine, thanks.
They have to be near the top of the list. I have never been able to understand why they can't recruit better. They have great Academics, just a couple of small steps behind Michigan. Madison is a great college town. Atmosphere at games is incredible, just ask Ohio State about how tough it is to play there. Plus, they have proven over the years that they can get the most out of their players. They consistently finish in the bottom half of the Big Ten in recruiting, but will almost always finish in the top half in the standings. They can turn a 4-star into a five star with no problem and have a pretty solid reputation for producing NFL talent.
The biggest drawbacks: Ridiculously cold weather and the women are cows. I think I just figured out why they can't recruit.
I didn't grow up with college football in my blood (born in Pittsburgh, the only college football in my family tree was an uncle who played at Dartmouth in the 60s, dad went to RPI, mom didn't go to college, no fandom whatsoever for any school...), and I really only chose Michigan because of the academics and the fact it was far cheaper for engineering than anywhere else I could have gone and still received a solid education. When I was figuring out where to apply, I had my list narrowed to Michigan, Cornell, Cal, and Stanford.
Since I can't choose Michigan, and if I'm a 4-star guy there's no way I'm going to a non-FBS team, it's either Cal or Stanford. I'm also more of a "what have you done for me lately" than a "how was your team 20-30 years ago" person, so I have to go with Stanford.
Though, since I'd have a decent shot at the NFL regardless of what team I went to, I'd have to go to ASU, Texas, Florida, etc. just to compare the female populations. Those 30k+ women at ASU would be awfully tempting...
In dreaming of my kids alleviating much stress from me for paying for their college education, I would pick academics first, then pick a school for athletics like UNC, Texas, Stanford, Michigan, etc.
Penn State. Joe Pa is the biggest reason. There's something about him that makes me want to go there. And the stadium is insane.
Would you not be deterred by the fact that he probably won't be around after this season?
I'd go to whatever school would be the easiest to transfer to Michigan from.
Without a doubt I would commit to Stanford, especially with the great coach they have now. And academics, even if I were to make it to the pros I'd want to go to an elite school like Stanford to get good business connections to invest my NFL paycheck.
I'd pick Cal.
Arkansas. SEC girls, and close enough to the Texas girls.
They have some hot cheerleaders.
Pictures or it's not true.
Academics would be important to me, so that if i don't go to the nfl i have something else to do.
With that said, I would also like it to be a good football school.
So, Stanford, Notre Dame (tradition lulz), or Florida. Possibly Northwestern since their team has been getting better....
Comfort with the coaching style.
Quality of my likely position coach, and coordinator. If I had something approximating future NFL talent I'd want to go somewhere that would likely heighten my chances of making it to the NFL. Position coaching would be an important consideration.
Quality of the head coach. Stability in the coaching situation. Would I expect if the coaching situation went south(which my mean the coaches left for the pro's not necessarily were canned.) that the likely replacement would be good and/or that I like the academics and culture of the University that I would like to stay ie. if you weren't playing football, at all, would you be happy here?
Comfort with the academic and football culture. Probably wouldn't be as comfortable at Texas Tech than at UM/UW/Texas.
That would be some of them, I'm sure academics(overall quality and likely major.) would be one of the more important considerations.
Region. It would be some consideration, if my parents were alive, that they could see me play and that I could see them regularly. Personally, I prefer living in the west but, it would likely be a lesser consideration than some others listed above.
I would choose a tradition laden program (Texas/'Bama'/UM etc), to me there is no subsitute to being a part of something bigger than you, something that trancenses time and in the case of Zoltan space.
Oregon is overrated. Yeah I know that sounds funny to say about the No. 1 team in the country. I know they're doing great now with Phil Knight's money infused in the program, but historically they're not a power house. But the main reasons I wouldn't go to Oregon are the academics aren't that great and Eugene is not an ideal place to spend 4 years. If it was a college town, that'd be one thing, but Eugene is full of hippies. If you want to be a PNW, go to Washington. The academics are much better and you get to live in Seattle. The football team is not on Oregon's level right now, but it's much better historically, it's on the uprise, and the coach (Sarkisian) seems like a coach you'd really want to play for (not sure I'd say that about chip Kelly).
If not restricting to the PNW, I'd probably go to any of the California Pac-10 schools (UCLA, USC, Cal, or Stanford). Excellent academics, weather, pretty women, and all decent programs with well known coaches. I'd also look at Texas, and probably Florida.
It would be Stanford in a landslide. The undergraduate education would be amazing, and I would be in a power conference.
1. Cal-weather, education and its cali
2. UCLA-see above
3. Stanford-see above
4. USC-see above
5. Oregon-amazing facilities, insane offense
6. UNC-powder blue, education and being a tar heel
7. Texas-burnt orange, tradition, education, not in the crazy deep south
8. Miami- The U, Miami
9. Wisconsin- consistenty and continuity gets in due to nebraska being in nebraska
10. Washington-Seattle, good school, Sarkisian is the truth
Honorable mention: Nebraska, LSU circa 06, Zona, Northwestern, Pitt, Boise State
My top five would probably be something like this:
Good locations, good academics, and not a religous school in sight (peace out, Notre Dame).