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You say walk on like it's a bad thing
This BS of our defense not being very good because we are going to start a walk on is crap. Maybe we should be more upset that our higher rated players aren't living up to their hype. It could also be possible that he is one hell of a player and the scouting services screwed up on their evaluation of him. I think our issues are more than the fact that a walk on busted his ass to get a spot on the team and had enough drive to continue to push himself. He has had to work harder than everyone else but he gets dumped on like he's the reason our d sucks. He's one hell of a football player in my book. Edit: yes I'm talking about Kovacs.
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August 29th, 2010 at 5:46 PM | Uh... (Score:1)
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Who are you and what are you upset about? Did you mean to post this somewhere else? Is this in reference to a particular article or topic?

Or are you just spouting to spout.

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August 29th, 2010 at 6:05 PM | Not a specific topic but it (Score:1)
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Not a specific topic but it shows up from time and it's stupid. Sorry for the rant.

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August 29th, 2010 at 7:45 PM | Perhaps the OP just watched (Score:1)
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Perhaps the OP just watched Rudy.

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August 29th, 2010 at 7:58 PM | Boooooo.  Rudy sucks! (Score:1)
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Boooooo.  Rudy sucks!

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August 29th, 2010 at 5:48 PM | im guessing (Score:1)
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im guessing he is talking about Kovacs.

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August 29th, 2010 at 5:56 PM | Or Moundros?  Really though, (Score:1)
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Or Moundros?  Really though, MGoBoard should be left for more informational posts.  Posts like these should be posted in Diaries, where there is a character or word minimum to mitigate people just spewing random thoughts onto the internet.

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August 29th, 2010 at 6:01 PM | I'm guessing (Score:1)
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he is Kovacs...

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August 29th, 2010 at 5:52 PM | Not sure why you are so mad. (Score:1)
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Not sure why you are so mad.  If it really matters the scouting services didn't make the player a walk-on, the 120ish D1 football teams did by not offering him a scholarship.

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August 29th, 2010 at 5:56 PM | In fairness, the fact that he (Score:1)
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In fairness, the fact that he walked on here does not necessarily mean that no school offered him a scholarship.  We've had guys turn down MAC scholarships to walk on here before.

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August 29th, 2010 at 5:57 PM | yeah thats why I said 120ish (Score:1)
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yeah thats why I said 120ish and limited my remark to D1 teams

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August 29th, 2010 at 6:29 PM | How are MAC schools not (Score:1)
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How are MAC schools not 120ish? 

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August 29th, 2010 at 6:33 PM | was referring to DII and FCS (Score:1)
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was referring to DII and FCS schools with that part of my comment not MAC schools.  For MAC schools see the "120ish" portion of the comment. 

anything else I need to clarify from those 25 words?

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August 29th, 2010 at 6:50 PM | hmmmm (Score:1)
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i think a guy named griese was a walk on.  but he was probably promised a scholarship at later year if he earned it.  i would bet my life he was offered several D1 scholarships from good programs.

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August 29th, 2010 at 9:02 PM | I can honestly say that I (Score:1)
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I can honestly say that I have no idea, maybe someone like Magnus or ToB would know?  Unless you are just mocking me, I can't really tell.  

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August 29th, 2010 at 9:21 PM | Tom (Score:1)
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Brady is that you?   I believe Tom Brady yeah that Tom Brady was a walk on. Go figure

informative link:  not about Tom Brady

http://www.ehow.com/how_4464472_walk-college-football-team.html

 "Runnnn!!! get to da choppa"

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August 29th, 2010 at 9:31 PM | i think a guy named griese (Score:1)
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i think a guy named griese was a walk on.

It's the meme that won't die.  Once again, Griese was a regular recruit who committed after we'd run out of scholarships.  Moeller promised him one as soon as one opened up, and one did that fall. 

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August 29th, 2010 at 5:54 PM | And Kovacs... (Score:1)
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...is not a walk on.  He's a former walk on who has earned a scholarship because of his performance in games and on the practice field.  If the OP has any point, it's that it's time to stop assuming doom because Kovacs (and I guess Moundros because he's also a former walk on scholarship student-athlete) are likely to be defensive starters. 

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August 29th, 2010 at 9:59 PM | I agree with regard to (Score:1)
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I agree with regard to Kovacs, but Moundros starting pushes my panic buttons because this is his first year playing defense.

Galileo was also chastised.

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August 29th, 2010 at 10:18 PM | I would take... (Score:1)
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...Kovacs over former ND 4 star commit Harrison Smith who will start for ND this year...just sayin.

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August 30th, 2010 at 12:48 AM | I would not. (Score:1)
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I would not.

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August 30th, 2010 at 5:54 PM | hahahahhahahahahahahahhahahah (Score:1)
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hahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahaa

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August 29th, 2010 at 6:07 PM | Of course we are pissed that (Score:1)
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Of course we are pissed that guys like Turner, Williams, Emilien are big time recruits and not panning out.  Nobody blames Kovacs for that.

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August 29th, 2010 at 10:20 PM | Jeebus... (Score:1)
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It doesn't sound horrible for Emelien so far from the trickle of news we get out of camp. Wait a couple weeks before you deem the kid a failure.

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August 30th, 2010 at 12:00 AM | Agreed (Score:1)
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This is only Emilien's second year on campus and he was still recovering from a knee injury last year.  I think it's a little early to label him a bust.

People who claim they actually saw Denard on the field are liars.

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August 29th, 2010 at 6:13 PM | well, when you've got (Score:1)
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85 scholarships to give out, it kind of is. Its great for the player, but more often than not it really doesn't bode well for the team.

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August 29th, 2010 at 6:13 PM | I think that people make the (Score:1)
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I think that people make the assumption walkons rarely turn out to be very good starters.  Had a classmate who played O line for Purdue tell me that some of the teams best players are walkons/former.

Anyway you look at it, Kovacs and Moundros are high effort/talented/ and overall good football players.

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August 29th, 2010 at 6:21 PM | MGoShoe got it. Not that we (Score:1)
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MGoShoe got it. Not that we don't like Kovacs but the assumption that because he or Moundros starts we are doomed.

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August 29th, 2010 at 6:39 PM | walk ons (Score:1)
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i don't begrudge any walk on working their tail off to earn a starting spot.  however, it's possible that we could have 3 walk ons (or former walk ons) starting on D.  that's disturbing to me.  add to the fact the several highly rated players who have failed or yet to prove themselves ahead of these walk ons is also disturbing to me.  there' s no getting around the fact that the coaches have misfired on their player analyses or have yet to "coach up" the talent they have.  they better coach em up this year.

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August 29th, 2010 at 6:41 PM | I was really ticked a couple (Score:1)
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I was really ticked a couple of years ago when Blair White from MSU was carving up our secondary. A WALK-ON? But it turns out he was a good player. You just never know. Don't forget that Rich Rod was a walk-on, so I imagine he's not afraid to start one.

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August 29th, 2010 at 7:56 PM | Just so I'm clear on this, (Score:1)
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Just so I'm clear on this, you're not mad that the defense is expected to struggle, instead you're mad that people are expecting the defense to struggle because there is a walk-on (who has earned a scholarship, as noted) starting? I think I see your point of view, but there's a subtle difference and I'm not entirely sure that I understand. I think your point about a walk-on outworking scholarship players is valid, but I think you should remember that he's won a starting job at a position of particularly shallow depth. If a walk-on had beaten out all of your scholarship RBs or WRs, I think that would be a hell of a lot more concerning.

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August 29th, 2010 at 8:06 PM | I'm definitely more upset (Score:1)
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I'm definitely more upset that our highly rated players haven't panned out.

However, this "He doesn't suck just because he's a walk-on" crap is a bit ridiculous.  The bottom line is that our defense was horrible last year and probably will be again this year.  It's not entirely coincidental that Kovacs (a starter) is a former walk-on and the defense sucks overall.  Better, more athletic safeties would be able to make plays that Kovacs can't.

Good for Kovacs.  He works hard, he's pretty good for a former walk-on, and I want him to be as successful as possible.  However, that doesn't change the fact that I want someone just as fundamentally sound but more athletic to beat him out ASAP.

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August 29th, 2010 at 8:24 PM | Hence (Score:1)
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the coaching up of those more athletic players on the roster.  RR's job security is dependent on the GERG.  i hope he's up to the task.

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August 29th, 2010 at 8:15 PM | I can't decide if Kovacs is a (Score:1)
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I can't decide if Kovacs is a born again walk-on or a recovering walk-on. Either way, I have a dream that starters on our D are judged not by the # of stars on their profile but on their conduct on the gridiron. I hold these truths to be self evident.

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August 29th, 2010 at 8:48 PM | Anything less... (Score:1)
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...is simply un-Amurrican.

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August 29th, 2010 at 9:15 PM | Not just a walk on...a freshman walk on... (Score:1)
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he get's a pass on the freshman mistakes (being out of position on Darius Willis' 85 yard TD run)...but not on the lack of speed to catch his fellow freshman.

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August 29th, 2010 at 10:12 PM | Exactly. I think it's funny (Score:1)
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Exactly.

I think it's funny that a lot of people hold Vladimir Emilien's lack of speed responsibile for Carlos Brown's long TD run in the 2009 spring game . . . but they gloss over the fact that Kovacs had a good angle on Darius Willis and went from about 1 yard behind him to about 6 yards behind.  Willis is no slouch in the speed department, but Kovacs had an angle and still got torched.  I can't blame Michigan fans if they're not excited about having that kind of speed at safety for the next three years.

Kovacs has a role on this team, but I hope we have a better answer at safety.

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August 29th, 2010 at 9:22 PM | Kovacs (Score:1)
marc_from_novi
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I hope he turns into such a beast that they make a movie about his career.

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August 30th, 2010 at 12:52 AM | Vlad or Mike, please step it (Score:1)
Ultimate Quizmaster
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Vlad or Mike, please step it up and win the spot.

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August 30th, 2010 at 6:05 AM | Vlad is playing free safety, (Score:1)
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Vlad is playing free safety, and Mike Williams is playing Spur.

Kovacs is playing Bandit.

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August 30th, 2010 at 7:47 AM | did Kovacs (Score:1)
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Shag your mom or something? You seem to be upset by the mere mention of him.

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August 30th, 2010 at 8:11 AM | I'm with Magnus (Score:1)
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I have a hard time believing anyone on this blog is very sincere with all this Kovacs love. Rather I think it is people just trying to convince themselves things aren't that bad.

No one here dislikes Kovaks, it is the fact that he is potentially going to start (a former walk-on) on the U of M defense. For anyone who follows football this is cause for concern. Kovacs simply doesn't have the athletic ability to perform the way UM need him to. Is there theie best option as of now? Perhaps. Is this cause for concern? Definitely.

If anyone can sit here and say that they are thrilled we have Kovacs as our clear starting Bandit for this season instead of say, someone far more athletic, I would say they are borderline insane.

I love Kovacs but I would prefer to have a better option at his position. Sorry.

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August 30th, 2010 at 5:00 PM | fwiw (Score:1)
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it seemed this was as good a spot as any to post this - we have a very good set of walk-ons making some noise on offense as well. really pushing the team to be better by playing great in practice while some of the scholarship guys have been banged up... definitely worth noting

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