That's like...REALLY bad news for USC.
that makes one of us
That's like...REALLY bad news for USC.
Thanks for the link TOB. Sounding like the NCAA definitely has other plans for the Trojans. What would be really nice is if it came out before signing day. But if any of these kids are following this as close as they should be, with their futures on the line, then I would say their 2010 class could come up short a bit.
Hopefully Michigan isn't penalized for it's practice time limits before NSD and if we are it's just a secondary violation.
Uh oh. Things about to get interesting in the next few weeks for the men of Troy. Could USC get hit with the dreaded "lack of institutional control"? Regardless, USC's fall should lead to short term recuriting benefits for UM, UCLA, and ND.
We are assuming Charlie Casserly knows what he's talking about. I'm not ready to make that assumption, really.
awesome, just when I think the end of the party might be nearing 3 new kegs get rolled in.
I love this analogy.
This should be an interesting month leading up to NSD.
The football monopoly in Los Angeles is officially over
Be careful, we have an ongoing investigation of our own. I don't think we'll be in USC territory, but I'd rather not tempt Angry Michigan Hating God in any way, shape or form.
Angry Michigan Hating God decided to slap us with our record. I don't THINK he'll get us with sanctions too. It usually seems to be one or the other. Besides which, the only thing that can be proven to be wrong right now is some missing paperwork.
Knock on wood.
michigan hating deity follows murphy's law
If the practice violations were at USC...
We'd have a guy with a bag of money paying the guys to practice late and not keeping track of a) the hours and b) the money
they will lose, or if they'll have those Heismans and National Championships stripped? Must hurt like a bitch to be a Trojan fan right about now.
I'm guessing they will be stripped of every win that occurred while those players were there, and they will lose something like 5 scholarships for 5-10 years, with a BCS ban of the same length.
I don't know if the Heismans could be stripped, they aren't awarded by the NCAA so the NCAA does not have any control over those. While I don't know the requirement for a Heisman to be revoked, I'd imagine that it would require a pretty large vote from the Heisman people.
I guess that could happen though, what with all the OUTRAGE that's has NEWSPAPER people fired UP.
I'm willing to bet they'll be required to completely dismantle their football program and facilities for a period of time no less than 10 years and no more than 20 years, Carroll will have a fine levied somewhere in the neighborhood of $5 million and any player found benefitting from the shenanigans that went on there will promptly be fired and barred from any play in the NFL or future play in the NFL...or not.
The NCAA awards neither the Heisman nor the BCS Championship (nor any of the old AP/UPI/ESPN-USA Today championships). The NCAA cannot take any of that away. Being relatively new, there is no precedence for taking away a BCS championship. And I don't believe any team ever had a poll championship taken away either.
Death penalty anyone?
They said they wouldn't hand that out again.
No. At least, I doubt it. You generally have to already be under sanctions for something to get the death penalty.
But WOW the hammer is coming. Category 5 Hurricane NCAA is bearing down on LA something huge. This isn't going to be pretty. I can't wait.
You're joking, right? SMU maintained a slush fund for payments to players for more than a decade. They paid players to sign with them and paid them to play. This continued even after the NCAA put them on probation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but at USC in football we're talking about a single player, and we're talking about wannabe agents, not boosters or the football program itself (as in the case of SMU). That simply can't be equated with SMU. The question of "institutional control" only comes up because something similar happened in the basketball program, again with a single, high-profile, player. I don't know what the judgment will be, but the idea that there is any similarity to SMU is just wrong.
More than a single player.
USC as SMU is oddly pleasing.
They are looking at Mayo, Bush, and Mcknight.....right now. Could be all they investigate or it could be the tip of the iceberg. Either way this is not going to help with recruiting or getting a new HC. Good timing Pete.
If that corrupt and incompetent organization does anything more stringent than docking USC a few scholarships I'll be extremely surprised.
please bring this article with you to Sean Parker's house.
It wouldn't make a difference...............
Does more dots equal more Sean Parkers?
that Michigan will instantly get a couple extra RoseBowl victories in the record books?
The 1/1/2004 game that Bush played in. I'd say it's possible if the NCAA decides that people at the university knew what Bush was doing and chose to turn a blind eye.
McKnight didn't come to USC until 2007, after the 1/1/2007 game. Also, the McKnight thing is a possible (but unlikely) recruiting violation, so even if true I doubt any victories would be stripped for something like that.
Do we get a victory? That seems kind of tacky, like it not the USC players out played ours. It wasn't exactly like USC stuffed Peyton Manning into a jersey and snuck him out onto the field. Their 18-22 year olds beat ours.
It seems like it would be better just to remove the game as a loss for us and a win for USC, but not give us the win.
No, it would just be vacated, just like Vince Young wouldn't be awarded Bush's Heisman. It's just blank.
Of course -- that makes sense. Thanks!
Will the NCAA surgically remove the memory of Jon Navarre getting curb stomped by USC's defense?
I don't want the wins, Michigan got force fed its ass, regardless of what the record books say.
Maybe the last helo out of Saigon was an apt analogy...
While I'd like to gloat at USC's unraveling, I also acknowledge that virtually all major programs have some form of this behavior going on, just that USC flaunted the system for so long that it was hard to ignore. Sure, it is nice to see a cocky Carroll and the rest of the USC faithful experience some well-deserved comeuppance, but but this point, I just want UM to get back to where they were invited to Pasadena.
Indeed, if I could I would celebrate it and send fake sympathy emails to my friends who support SC.
the only problem, he was using a corked bat. USC'S Basketball Program is doing no better at this time. The NCAA has turned down USC's self imposed sanctions for the basketball team(thnx Mr. Mayo). While the process has been slow- like trying to peel a water melon, it appears the NCAA is ready to carve that melon with USC's own Trojan Sword. I say let the picnic begin, water melon anyone? Reggie you may have the first slice-you've earned it.
"I won't be your huckleberry Mr. Garrett, that white horse goes with me"
"I will be your huckleberry, Mr. Allen, for $33 million dollars and control of the 53 man roster".
But it was good to see the link.
For clarification, can anyone explain the process here? I was under the assumption that the sanction process does not include a step where the school under investigation is allowed to go to the NCAA and say "if we do this right now, will that be enough?"
For example, isn't that what's happening with the basketball program? USC removes itself from the tourney and takes away scholarships for a year, but the investigation is still ongoing. The NCAA will later decide whether the pre-existing sanction was enough, or additional punishment should be meted out. At least, isn't that what happened here in the 90s?
It's true. That's not a REQUIRED step, but often times that's how it works. School submits plan to punish itself, NCAA approves it, life goes on.
In this case, the NCAA said, "You can punish yourself, but it won't stop our process at all."
AD has to go for sure if he's got 2 dirty programs. That's where the "lack of institutional control" starts and he should be barred from holding a position of authority at another NCAA institution. I'd like to see NCAA sue the school for the money they received from bowl games and BB Tournament if they vacate the wins.
Lastly, I'd like to see the school sue Carrol, Floyd, and the AD to recoup the money lost from vacating those wins.
I'm not a sue-happy person, but as it is right now the only ones that ever get punished by this stuff are current players who may not have even been college aged when the incidents happened.
When we had to vacate all those games in basketball, the only money we had to return was from the NCAA tournament. As the NCAA doesn't officially sanction the BCS, USC football might not have to pay back anything (though they will have to return a little chunk of money in basketball).
This makes me feel horrible.......
I would rather see this happen to USC then any other school, about time they get something like this, after getting everything they want for the past who knows how many years.
Another thing I was wondering, will anything happen to Pete Caroll if the algations against USC are found true? Or did he get out just in time?