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WVU vs Oregon in BCS Championship?
if they are in defeated of course they get in.... You just wanted to create something on the board..
I meant undefeated
That helps, but did you really mean to say "Duh"?
He meant Unduhfeated...
At this point, I have little faith in WVUs defense, they haven't looked very steady in their last couple games. Their offense is great, and will put up a ton of points, but I think their defense is a big liability, and will cost them a game or two. As for Oregon, they've looked very solid so far on both sides of the ball.
As the saying goes, "Offense wins games, defense wins championships".
(Also, screw this 'SEC only-title game'. It was a fluke that it happened once, I'd be shocked if the NCAA would let it happen again—the ratings were terrible and the intrest outside of the south east was completely absent. If it happens this year, I'll eat a lemon.)
The SEC is weaker than the experts think. Bama should easily go undefeated and be in the ship against Oregon or West Va. Even if Bama somehow stumbled along the way, the "strength" of having one loss going through an SEC season will still put them in the ship like it did last year.
Yes, one of these two teams won't get in. A one loss SEC champ will probably get more love than an undefeated WVU team in particular. An undefeated SEC champ will definitely get more love.
Too early in the season to worry about this, though.
Bull. If Bama has 1 loss and Oregon and WVU are both undefeated, they will be in the championship. Both voters and computers would knock them down past 2 if Alabama lost a game.
we don't really know what will happen yet as it is too soon in the season.
I personally doubt WVU gets in over a one loss SEC champ - the SEC just has developed too much credibility as a power conference over the last decade. This is not to say that I wouldn't want to see the bloodbath of a WVU-Oregon matchup where the score is 146-146 going into overtime.
We've seen two undefeated teams battle it out in the NC game at least twice before - Texas and Alabama in 2010 and Oregon and Aurburn in 2011 (also, there have been a few occasions where one of the teams involved was undeafeted, of course). Even though those games involved SEC teams, the precedent exists. I will add, however, that I think the chances of Alabama going undefeated are probably better than West Virginia's just looking at their remaining schedule and the relative competency of their defenses. I could see WVU losing one (possibly two) of theirs along the way.
Granted, the Week 8 BCS Standings and the rankings come December could look radically different too - that's happened before as well.
Alabama is not FSU but that team is still pretty good and Gould not have been upset by NCSU IMO.
Point being any team, even Bama, could be upset.
I think everyone was just waiting for FSU to be "upset", because no one thought they were as good as their rankings.
After you take bama out, the Sec is pretty weak this year, IMO
seen weakness in the cocks!
Except they almost lost to Vanderbilt...
First game of the year, at Vandy, at night, against a conference opponent (we all know how crazy conference games can be). Granted both teams had all off-season to prepare for that game I think Vandy REALLY wanted that game whereas SC was so so about it being Vandy.
The people here in Nashville were jacked up for that game, much more so than all the games thereafter this year.
If you throw the high and the low out...this game gets the low throw out.
Every team will almost lose to a team they shouldn't along the way, that's the beauty of college football. (I'm sure Michigan fans know this point all too well over the years!)
And we almost lost to Air Force. Are we really gonna count off games as "proof" of why teams suck? I mean South Carolina just destroyed Georgia, who is a Top-15 team at worst, but SC sucks because they struggled in 1 game against Vandy?
He responded to someone who said they saw no weakness with a weakness they've shown. Great teams have weaknesses, and pointing out a good team's vulnerability doesn't mean you're saying they suck.
I believe that is what she said.
Fla. St. is out after doing their annual choke job.Had a easy route to the ship and blew it.
Hey don't forget Rutgers !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fatcats. Nothing says, "I hate my body," like 2000 calories of fried food smothered in marinara and cheese.
They have a 0% chance of making the title game
You'd see as many people betting the over/under on total points as betting on who would win.
I'll predict Oregon 84-77 in a defensive slugfest, with neither team punting even once.
Which makes me wonder if fewer points will be scored in the NC basketball game.
The only team in the SEC that would deserve the 1-loss SEC treatment is Alabama. Georgia was destroyed by an above-average-but-not-great SC team, Florida mucked its way past an overrated LSU team, and neither of those two winners do I see going undefeated. And if WVU and Oregon go undefeated, they'll have wins over highly-regarded USC, Stanford, Oregon St., Washington, Texas, Oklahoma, K St., etc. This isn't a Boise St. situation where they will have played three legit teams all year.
If this happened, and Bama or SC was undefeated or had one loss, I could see the South leaving the Union in protest. Wait, I really hope this does happen now.
Alabama has a week off and all of a sudden it is assumed that they will lose one? I just don't see Alabama losing before the championship game.
Alabama is not losing a game this year. Their defense is simply too good. I do have them beating Oregon in the title game though.
South Carolina looks good this year
The only game I could see them screwing up is @LSU. At this point LSU doesn't look that great, but playing in Death Valley is never easy.
They are @ LSU next week and @Florida the week after. I hope they lose to LSU and beat FLA.
If SC loses a game, but beats Bama in the SEC championship, and WVU and Oregon run the table, then maybe the voters go for the two undefeateds.
I would not bet 2 dollars on WVU goes undefeated. Oregon looks good.
My prediction: Oregon-Alabama
no way.. West Virgina has no defense they basically have to score on every poss.
And they do. Their opponents need to score every possession just to keep up.
Bama has loopholed and cheated its way into becoming a de facto, one-team NFL Development League. I don't see anyone beating them. The SEC has Bama, a step down to South Carolina, and a bunch of teams that aren't appreciably better than the Big Ten, Pac 12, or Big 12.
Oregon should make it to the BCS "Championship" game, and WVU could of Oregon falters, but I don't see both making it.
Oregon and WVU both get in ahead of a 1-loss sec team because both comferences are quality enoough. The B1G, ACC and other lesser rans would not. I agree with others that WVU isn't going to go through undefeated. I think things will be more shaken up with either Oregon or Alabama losing even though they both look way better than the rest.
Oregon zero loss = in the championship
Alabama zero loss = in the championship
SEC champion zero loss = in the championship
WVA zero loss = championship dependent upon other factors, most notably Oregon. Oregon zero loss trumps WVA zero loss if SEC is the other side of the NC pairing.
Outlier in this discussion is Notre Dame ... undefeated ND is going to get love they don't deserve, given their schedule. Undefeated ND will be in championship just because (sadly) they're ND.
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I like WVA ... I like Geno Smith (seems a smart, humble young man) ... I like the "story" this year with their move to the Big 12 and their desire to prove themselves. Their defense is suspect. The win over Texas was nice because it was gritty ... they hung tough and won.
OU looked ordinary but they have been good at home. ND is not going to go undefeated.
They are ripe to be beaten. Probably this weekend against Stanford
Notre Dame will not go undefeated, and even if they did, they would get destroyed by Alabama in the title game.
but I don't think WVU will go unbeaten. They still have to play very capable of beating them teams: TCU, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Oklahoma and even Iowa State. WVU's tough games are all ahead of them and to this point it really could be strongly argued WVU has played only one good defensive team yet. That defense held them to 31 points .
TOTAL DEFENSE RANK THROUGH 10-6
James Madison: FCS
Texas: #74 thats with shutout to their credit
Four of five of the best defense WVU will see on their schedule are still ahead of them, I think someone will get them,
...is going to beat Alabama?
only have a couple what I would call 'tough' games left and probably a couple faux tough games.
It will probably take a 3 or 4 turnover performance by Bama for any of these teams to beat them. I wouldn't be shocked if LSU won though, surprised but not shocked.
Then we're left with the SEC title game. South Carolina, Florida and Geogia are the most likely opponent and non of those strike me as Bama killers.
Hang on. Bama misses SC, Georgia, AND Florida this year? With the way Arkansas has collapsed and LSU doesn't look like the same team, if Bama loses their conference championship game, why are they automatically in the title game? How is that a difficult schedule? Just because they are in the SEC doesn't mean they should get a free pass. They miss 3 of the 4 best teams! MSU and Tenn are the only other half decent teams they play all year (besides us, hopefully).
I don't see anyone going Undefeated this year. The most dominate teams to date seem to be Oregon and Alabama, but both have flaws and tough tests ahead. A one loss team on the climb still with big match-ups and a chance to impress voters..... USC.
Alabama has flaws?
Yea the only thing anyone could have possibly nit picked about Bama before the season is lack of experience. I believe that can now be tossed out the window. They're young, talented, and have experience/leadership at all the right positions to run the table again.
All it takes are a couple of key injuries and Alabama could end up with one or two losses. The season is long and shit does happen.
Yea but that's reaching a bit. That could happen to a lot of teams. I'm talking about straight up on the field talent and scheme. Show me their flaws.
I want to see Alabama crush Oregon in the championship game so we can all have a good laugh when Brian tries to blame the Oregon loss on execution so he can defend his beloved schematic advantage with the fervor he defends Denard.
They have impressed so far this year, and as devestating as it would be to most people on this blog, their chances look a lot better than they did at the beginning of the year. Everybody was thinking 6 or 7 wins would be a success, but the teams on their schedule look much weaker than they did a month ago. As awful as it sounds, ND might start getting a lot of title game talk. Especially if they beat Stanford next week.
THE FIGHTING IRISH ARE BACK rah rah rah.
I'm split on this. On the one hand, I could absolutely see ND going undefeated because their schedule is no where near as tough as people made it out to be. Stanford played their annual best game against USC and they are otherwise mediocre. The B1G is...well the B1G. BYU is not good at all. Miami is bad AND crapped the bed in their game to boot. OU and USC should beat ND at home, but ND is in full luck-of-the-Irish mode this year. Unless they completely choke, ND should be in a BCS game at 10-2 or 11-1 because you know a BCS game will grab them ahead of say 10-2 Kansas St (who would probably kill ND).
On the other hand, at what point this year have you watched ND play and said, "Man, that is definitely a top 10 team." The only time their offense has looked good is when they have had a week or offseason to plan. Their defensive gameplan against Michigan was to bend and then hope they miss field goals and turn it over. Any team with a good passing offense and a good to solid defense can and should beat the Irish. ND just hasn't seen any team like that and only has 3 on the schedule that could potentially fit that mold. I think ND is overrated.
If they make the title game, I expect them to get their asses thoroughly kicked against Alabama. Granted, their front seven is very good, but they would get worn down by the end of the game. McCarron would also make quick work of their secondary.
And Notre Dame's offense really is not that good. The one touchdown they scored on us was essentially handed to them. The solid teams that Notre Dame has beaten (UMich, MSU) has been done on the shoulders of its defense. Notre Dame's offense basically just had to show up and play an average game, at best. And then, of course, they score a lot of points on so-so teams.
I give credit where credit is due. Notre Dame has one of the better front sevens in the country, and Manti Te'o is a god amongst mere mortals. But Alabama has a whole team of those kinds of players. I would not be surprised to see Alabama run away with that game.
Based on Alabama being Alabama and their schedule being dowright fluffy other than @LSU, I see them effortlessly making the SEC Championship game. Once there Florida or SC could give them an interesting run, but I doubt it'd be enough. An undefeated Alabama will make the championship game over and undefeated anyone else (outside of the SEC) because they're coming from the ESS EEE SEE.
If Alabama chokes @LSU and LSU goes undefeated the rest of the regular season, but falls in the SEC Champ game in either a rematch with Florida or to South Carolina then I see an SEC east contender possibly making the Championship game, but it would take some crazy upsets in the SEC conference schedule to not have them get a team in at all.
Outside of Alabama I agree that Oregon looks like the most complete team. I suppose I need to watch some Kansas state before I can comment much further on the top of the rankings though. They've kinda been off my radar, but based on their scores and everything, they're solid.
I don't see WVU running the table. Their defense shows up occasionally at best and while their offense is going to make statements all season they're not quite perfect. Geno Smith almost certainly deserves the Heisman and if they weren't on the same team what I saw from Tavon Austin suggest he should be in that converstation as well. KState or OU will probably get to them... If/When WVU loses it'll be like 31-35 or something; but it can happen.
Notre Dama is unlikely to run the table. Both USC and OU look have favorable matchups vs the Irish in their passing game and defenses. They'll fall to one or both. This seems like the year that the Fighting Irish make a return to the BCS bowls and some amount of national relevance, but not a year that they can make it to the big one.
However, I think WVU and Oregon would get the nod over a one loss SEC team. What do you think?
I don't think a 1 loss Alabama, for example, doesn't make it to the national championship game. The media is too in love with the SEC.
A OU v WVU game would be a riot. 98-96 would be the final score.
defense is actually kind of impressive. They've pretty much dominated when they needed to, they wouldn't give up 40 to WVU