WVU to self report violations?
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1172238101/WVU-turns-itself-in-t…
The informed rumors are flying.So, don't be surprised if West Virginia University announces it has self-reported to the NCAA and also self-imposed sanctions on its football program for violations.The problem?Call it the Rich Rodriguez trickledown.When the NCAA began investigating allegations at Michigan that Rodriguez had too many coaches on the practice field and was exceeding the time limit for preparation per week, WVU was included in the investigation.Obviously, that's because Rodriguez was the Mountaineers' head coach before leaving for Michigan. So, the NCAA wanted to determine if Rich Rod committed the same transgressions at WVU.What the NCAA discovered, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, is those practices have continued at WVU.That's why WVU apparently has self-reported to the NCAA. It seems that two members of the football program that aren't on the coaching staff have indeed been coaching during practices.
thought you would be interested
All the more reason he has to get it right this season: no one will want him if Michigan shoots him out of Ann Arbor in a cannon come December.
This is insane. The role of QC staff is obviously nebulous. If they explored their roles in any program (as M did), violations would be found.
Regardless of what happens in Ann Arbor, RR will find a coaching job somewhere. There's a great chance with a BCS team, too.
I agree that similar violations would be found with literally every other major program, but I don't think Rich Rod would have too many big names frothing at the mouth to have him if we gave him the boot... He will always have the "major violations" tailing along behind him, regardless of how ridiculous they are. They can be nailed to him because he was supposed to make sure that things like that were under control.
You honestly think that he wouldn't get hired as OC at, say, Kentucky or Baylor (Robert Griffin) or...you get the picture. He'll land a job if he gets let go; maybe even a HC gig.
My original post didn't say what I meant it to, but this one that you replied to does: I don't think he'll have any offers from big name programs. He'll be headed back to the WV level or lower if he gets let go of, not on to any programs where he'll be competing for the national championship or anything of the sort.
Which big name programs would be looking for a coach, though?
Also, careful; WVU was a contender, so was Cincinatti, and Pitt. There are a lot of WV-ish level programs that have a legitimate shot if they take care of business (Auburn, Clemson, Virginia, Maryland, Washington State).
Washington State?
So bad.
Wazzu is pushing it, but you know, if they were to go undefeated, they would be in the running.
Also, if I were to hit the lottery, I wouldn't have to go to work on Monday.
Hot Damn! The subjunctive mood is SUPER fun!
often do i have to say lol. but in this case lol. he will have a a big time job before his last check is mailed "electronically"
If he doesn't succeed at Michigan he won't be a head coach of a BCS team but he won't have trouble finding either a head coaching job at a smaller D-I school or an O-coordinator at a lot of schools regardless of quality. He has proven successful elsewhere, and the conclusion may be that he didn't fit in the big ten or as a head coach of such a large program, but there will be people who understand he was a great o-coordinator at clemson and a great coach at WVU.
I disagree with you in that I think RR would be able to find a D1 job. I could definitely see a school saying Michigan just wasn't a good fit for RR. Could you imagine RR at LSU with the amount of athleticism they have on offense, and the great defense they already have?
But probably not at a school in a major program yet. I should have noted that it is very possible for him to work his way back into a head coaching job at a BCS school, but I think it would take being successful as a coordinator at a major program or successful as a head coach at a smaller program first. I think he could be a coordinator at a major program but I don't think, if he isn't successful at Michigan, that many other big programs are going to want to take him on as a head coach right away, especially with all the negative pub surrounding him recently.
Pretty sure RR would be able to find a job no problem.
Rich Rodriguez?
I'd expect that probably 90% of NCAA football programs would be found guilty of this type of thing at one time or another. I'm not at all interested in whats going on at West Virginia.
That's a bummer, even more pressure to add to this guy this year.
This might become a hot topic. Michigan's response to the NCAA was that the failures were mostly with the compliance office, not RR. They admittied to 4 of the violations but denied the one about RR failed to promote compliance blah blah...I forget how it was worded but you get the point. If WVU is self reporting the same issues that happened here then this could give the NCAA cause to find us guilty of the 5th major violation and possibly stiffen our penalties.
Or theres a good possibilty that I have no clue what the hell im talkin about, either way sucks for me
However, those two QC coaches were not at WVU when RR was there.
RR is clearly still responsible for what goes on at West Virginia.
/moronity
Haha, clearly.
So they're reporting vilations that happened while RR was here? This makes me feel better, ty
might be the AD at WVU trying to throw more mud at RR. Would be my guess
Or do they just wait to read things in the newspapers?
Because if newspaper reports serve as indictments, then The Ohio State University will soon be awaiting trial....
Oh wait, that was even-handed reporting, in which the Columbus Post-Dispatch reporters actually talked to both sides, tried to understand the story and didn't have their own agenda.
That was a great article hinting that OSU has also been violating the rules with regard to quality control staff coaching players.
My favorite part was actually one of the comments. "JIMBO" from Mason, Ohio, responded by saying:
"Hey Gordon, are you trying to pull a Detroit Free Press job on OSU? Why don't you stuff a sock in it!!"
RR's job should be at Michigan, hopefully for about twenty years. But if anything stupid were to happen, he would get hired by an SEC program in a heartbeat. RR has been consistently shat upon since he took the job at UM and has taken it with class and grace.
Hopefully, he is given the opportunity to coach his first senior class at UM to a victory over Nebraska in the first-ever Big Ten Championship Game.
will bolt for the NFL, on his terms after the next three years of great success at M because of all the dh's in the media and the others who claim to support the Wolverines but are always looking to negbang him in their "opinions."
these days...
RR has never played or coached at the NFL level. He runs an offensive system that is totally different tahn the NFL (even the Wildcat or whatever the hell they call it now is not the same). RR is NEVER going to the NFL I have no idea why this keeps being brought up
every day. When are we going to have some positive news around here?
Nebraska, USC and Izzo wasn't enough for you?!
the knee-jerk reaction is to link "Rich Rodriguez" = "NCAA violation" = cheating = "Michigan scandal" = "WVU scandal" = New head coach.
It starts to look like the repository of hate that is the Freep.com comments pages. Where the opinions range from, "fire Rich Rodriguez" to "lynch Rich Rodriguez" to "tar and feather Rich Rodriguez." They've been well-trained, by Mark Snyder & Co.
Snyder writes up this same story for the Free Press now. Snyder even starts his story this way: "Another day, another potential tie to the NCAA’s Michigan football investigation."
Naturally, Mark Snyder hasn't done anything with this news, other than to recycle it in an attmept to make a story that merits another photo of Rich Rodriguez on the Freep.com homepage. WVU is self-reporting violations, apparently, that occurred under Bill Stewart, involving two staff individuals whom Rich Rodriguez didn't hire, or supervise at the time of the violations. The big story for Snyder is the line that violations were a "continuation" from 2007.
Of course, there would be one sound, understandable, revelatory way to look at this. It would go something like this: Whether the head coach is Rich Rodriguez, or Bill Stewart or, uh, Jim Tressel*, this business of "coaching" by non-listed unofficial coaches seems to be a large, epidemic problem of definition and enforcement for the NCAA. It is assuredly not a problem for student-athletes, who, in the worst case scenaria, are "victimized" only in the sense that they, uh, get more coaching and personal attention. By, uh, several minutes in the "major" case of Michigan 08-09.
But leave it to our friend Mark Snyder to butcher that into something like, 'uh-oh, more trouble for Rich Rodriguez and Michigan!' That meme seems to have sucked in about half of you who have commented so far.
Fuck you Mark Snyder.
*See Columbus Dispatch link, above...
The most important part of the article is this:
What the NCAA discovered, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, is those practices have continued at WVU.
Obviously, WVU didn't have a problem with what was going on under RR, since they continued the same practice under Stewart. Further proof that the NCAA needs to clarify these rules about QC staff
I was gonna post something similar, but i wont after reading your post.
that if they were to look anywhere, these violations would be found to have been "continuing"
What just happened here?
It will be interesting to see how David Brandon handles the response, since any allegations from WVU pertaining to RR will continue to erode RR credibility and respect in A2. So far, DB has stood firmly behind RR, but this may be a come to Jesus moment for RR in his coaching career. He gets the big things okay, but has had numerous examples of missing fine details. At some point, UM must either firmly align its progress with RR coaching "leadership", because any divergence will snowball faster than one in blizzard at Boyne.
Or anything about our response to our own alleged violations? Not the pristine analysis by Brian Cook on these pages? Not the U-M official response? Nothing?
Dude, its pretty clear that the WVU violations: a) were reported under current coach Bill Stewart, not Rich Rodriguez; b) the QC coaches involved were not hired by - nor ever worked for - RichRod; and c) were continued by Stewart because they were not likely even understood to be violations.
This article, if true, would only re-affirm what David Brandon has said all along. The whole situation is a mis-reading of rules which are apparently easily mis-interpreted, and is being done at many institutions as mentioned above - even under the squeaky clean Bill Stewart, and less than squeaky clean Jim Tressel. RR has already admitted that what was done at UM was what they had been doing all along at WV.
This will not "erode credibility and respect" just provide amunition to those already prone to whining about RR.
self report these kind of violations. Lane Kiffin just stated that they had 46 players attend the 7 am voluntary workouts the day after the ncaa penalty announcement. If it is voluntary, why is a coach or GA there counting the players???
I assume student athletes know how to count to 46, too...
"46", (or "54", as I heard on Friday) is a pretty specific number. Not like, "about 50", or "50-ish". I wouldn't think that a student athlete would take the time to count up all the loyal Men of Troy assembled to do weight lifting.
commits the same violations every year.
After going back and reading the Huntington Herald-dispatch article, it is worth noting that the Huntington newspaper normally reports on Marshall University, not WVU. Going to the Morgantown articles, I find no similar articles about WVU self-reporting any violations; instead, there is a flurry of articles about the new Athletics Director. Only the freep has a significant article, which seems to bending the facts to their own end. The original article states that the Grad Assistants were apparently coaching at other sessions, while under the supervision under Bill Stewart, the successor to RR. I am going to wait to see if any actual reports come out of Morgantown, and what the details are. Of course the ongoing discussion between Uof M and the NCAA will probably touch on it as well, and I expect to see further discussion later.
I imagine the temperature under RR seat is getting hotter, but these details may also lend credence to the view that the whole questions of GA's has been loosely addressed by the NCAA and needs to be clarified. UofM may be made an example, to make a point, or they may be given a chance to self-govern, if UofM acts responsibly. That will depend on David Brandon, not just RR.